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by Chloe.Meacher＠dtlr.gsi.gov.uk

Hello I have a Dynakit PAS-2 Stereo Preamp, a PAS-3, a FM-3, and a Dynakit Preamp Mark II. Looking at the instructions, some of them have dates written inside by my Dad, going back to early 1960's. I am looking to sell them and I am wondering what they are worth. THanks Chloe Meacher ********************************************************************* Department for Transport, Local Government and the Regions This E-mail and any files transmitted with it are private and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, the E-mail and any files have been transmitted to you in error and any copying, distribution or other use of the information contained in them is strictly prohibited. Nothing in this E-mail message amounts to a contractual or other legal commitment on the part of the Government unless confirmed by a communication signed on behalf of the Secretary of State for the DTLR. *********************************************************************

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More DEC doc scans up

by mrbill＠mrbill.net

I've put the handbooks off for a while until I can decide on how I want to do them. Until then, MACRO-11, BATCH-11, and RSTS-11 brochures: http://www.decdocs.org/docs if anybody else has more stuff like this, please let me know. Bill -- Bill Bradford mrbill(a)mrbill.net Austin, TX

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IBM AS/400(?) in Denver, CO

by terryf＠intersurf.com

I've got 2, 1 rode 200 miles in the back of my pickup and the other, I had shipped from LA to Baton Rouge by United Van Lines. No problems waking either one up, so I'm not too convinced of the "switch" Terry At 09:15 PM 7/11/01 -0500, you wrote: > > >The existence of the switch was in some of the manuals (the relevant >manual I seem to have chucked). I do recall that all that was required >was to call IBM for a new license, there did not seem to be anything to be >physically replaced. > >Paul > > >On Wed, 11 Jul 2001, Chuck McManis wrote: > >> >> > > Are these the machines that contain a vibration switch so they can tell >> > > if they've been moved? and if so, the license becomes invalid? >> > >> >Jerome Fine replies: >> >What ever the IBM systems were that contained that feature, did >> >that mean that the original legal user could also not move his system >> >into another room? >> >> >> Of course not, legit owners had IBM field service move the hardware and >> field service replaced the vibration switch after it was moved. >> >> --Chuck >> >> > >-- >

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DEC DF108-RM

by ndiablo＠diablonet.net

As far as I know, these are probably just regular old modems, and slow ones at that (perhaps 300, 1200, 2400 baud). All the other DF devices that I have seen thus far have been modems. Like old, slow modems, they're really worth nothing unless someone is really into recreating an entirely authentic old system or has some sort of special interest in the hardware. --Sean Caron (root(a)diablonet.net) | http://www.diablonet.net

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IBM AS/400(?) in Denver, CO

by cmcmanis＠mcmanis.com

At 09:47 PM 7/11/01 -0500, Paul wrote: >It could be >1) placed in the manual but never implemented >2) implemented only on certain machines (highest end 9406's or such?) The nice thing about being IBM was that they could and did do pretty much whatever they wanted to the hardware. At Sun we had a 43xx series that delayed the move of SunNET to building 14 because IBM _had_ to be the people to move the machine. Now they do insist even if there isn't anything tricky but the point in my initial response was that any type of "license assurance" devices they might employ would not be a problem for legitimate owners because the maintenance contract typically required IBM Field Service to handle any actual moves in order for the contract to stay valid. --Chuck

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IBM AS/400(?) in Denver, CO

by vaxman＠qwest.net

I was at an auction today where they had an IBM AS/400 (or AS/200?) mark not included in auction so I didn't bid on it :) If someone was motivated (Will?) they could try and run the owner to ground and see if it was going to be spit out the back end of a lease... Laters, clint PS Who besides me thinks Nascar fixed the Pepsi 400 so one of DEI or Childress racing would win it?

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DECstation 3100 drive mounting - (Was: Chassis Hardware)

by Mzthompson＠aol.com

Sridhar <vance(a)ikickass.org> wrote: > Hi. Two questions: > First of all, can the mounting platform of the VAXstation 3100 be > transplanted into a DECstation 3100? > Second, does anyone have any mounting rails for a DECstation 3100? I don't have any spares and in my experience they are hard to come by. A few years back a couple inquiries to DEC dealers brought quotes from $15 to $60 for the dang bracket. Hey, don't shoot me, I just the messenger. I did manage to find what I needed among other hobbyists at a more reasonable price. There are at least six different mounting brackets from that era for machines such as the DS3100, VS3100, DS5000, and the BA42. Here is some info that may help you get what you need. The DECstation 3100 can have one of two different mounting plates (DEC calls them pallets) for mounting drives in the CPU box. The first one I call a solid pallet. It has a solid front behind the removable front bezel and four threaded posts for mounting each drive bracket. The pallet part no. is 74-38401-01. Given this pallet, you can mount 2 RZ2x disks side by side at the front of the pallet. To mount the RZ23, the mounting bracket is part no. 74-38402-01. The RZ23 mounting holes are spaced differently than some other RZ2x drives, so there must be another bracket to mount other drives on this pallet but I don't have a part no. for it. The second one I call a cutout pallet. It has a cutout in the front panel behind the bezel and a 3 1/2 floppy can be installed there. The pallet part no. is 74-39823-01. Given this pallet, you can mount two RZ2x disks, one near the front beside the floppy drive, and one towards the back. The mounting bracket has two tabs that slip into the pallet and a knurled screw to attach it to the pallet. The part no. for one mounting bracket is 74-40133-01, and it will mount either an RZ23 or RZ25-E and possibly other drives. HTH Mike

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Plato terminal

by pete＠suba.com

This is two years late, but the terminal the original poster describes sounds like an IST (model 1), a CRT-based CDC product, vintage about 1978. There was a later edition called the IST-II, also CDC. It had two 8" drives and a Z-80 CPU, as well as connectivity to CDC PLATO mainframe systems, either by dialup modem (1200 bps) or multiplexer. The IST is not the oldest PLATO terminal, but it is the oldest that CDC manufactured, I suspect. Even my PLATO IV (Magnavox, 1971) is not the oldest, but only the first mass-produced machine. The earliest ones date to about 1961 and there are probably only two or three still in existence, if we're lucky enough to have that many. A precursor to these would be Norman Crowder's Auto-Tutor, vintage about 1958, which has characteristics very similar to the PLATO terminals (though it is not a computer terminal, it operates on filmstrip media), and PLATO's mechanisms are said to have been influenced by this machine. Peter Zelchenko (pete(a)suba.com) Chicago, Illinois

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4th of July Hypocricy (was: OT Celebration)

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On July 9, Glenatacme(a)aol.com wrote: > IMHO it's crazy to be on a motorcycle without a helmet, so why not just > abandon the helmet requirement and let Darwin have the last word . . . Because our society and government are built around protecting the stupid. -Dave McGuire

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MicroVAX equipment

by dan＠ekoan.com

It's been nearly a decade since I really dealt with MicroVAXen, but I came across a guy who has the following: MicroVAX 3600 uVAX 1000 RA81 (2) RA90 and some miscellaneous cards, in four cabinets. He got them in as part of a truckload of de-installed equipment and doesn't have any idea what they're worth. I'm at a loss as to what to offer for them, other than (of course) the lowest possible price. Any ideas on the going rate for this type of DEC equipment? He's also got a DEC MicroServer and some VT 510's. The guy was nice enough to give me an RL02K-DC removable disk pack (since he didn't know what it was or what it worked in), so he seems easy to deal with. (The disk pack did not come with the MicroVAX stuff.) Cheers, Dan

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apple recall

by Marion.Bates＠dartmouth.edu

--- Mike Ford wrote: Recall uses the serial number of the G3, nothing apparently on the adapter needed. --- end of quote --- Actually, it asks for the adapter serial number after it checks your G3 serial number. They say to send back the old one in the prepaid envelope...will they send thugs to beat me up if I keep both? ;) -- MB

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WTD: NEC D4164 DRAMs (CERDIP, with brass cover)

by philpem＠bigfoot.com

Hi, I've just seen an article on using a NEC D4164 dynamic RAM as a quick and dirty image sensor - I'm specifically after the version that had a brass cover. Prices negotiable. I'm after five or more of the little buggers (two to practise removal tactics on, the rest to modify and hook up to different computers). Alternatively, if someone's got a Micron IS32 going spare, I'd be happy to take it off their hands :-) Thanks. -- Phil. philpem(a)bigfoot.com http://www.philpem.f9.co.uk/

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Ford EEC-IV

by Gary.Messick＠itt.com

I worked at Ford designing the software for the test-stand that tested the modules 10 years or so ago. Whadya want to know? Gary > Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 18:10:56 -0600 (MDT) > From: "Clint Wolff (VAX collector)" <vaxman(a)qwest.net> > Subject: Ford EEC-IV > Anyone got any info? My car (1990) has one, and I'm curious... Not > curious enough to risk killing my car though. > Clint

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apple recall

by elecdata＠kcinter.net

Just found this on a recall of apple power bricks for laptops http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1006-200-6475301.html?tag=mn_hd Bill

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Anyone with info on Cipher C8803 tape drives?

by brian＠quarterbyte.com

Hi, I acquired Chad Fernandez's Cipher C8803 tape drive (and with it a lifetime supply of foam peanuts). (Thanks, Chad! Got the drive, the QBus adapter is on its way.) Does anyone have documentation and/or cabling and interface info (physical and/or software) for this drive? Or know of a scanned or other online reference for it? From what I read, Seagate ate Connor ate Archive ate Cipher and there's nothing left. Cipher Tape drive (open reel streamer) Model C880340-96-15250 Part Number 961210-001 Option B Thanks, Brian

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Historically interesting (?) 'scope to anyone offeingr me anything interesting worth under $10

by r.stek＠snet.net

Dig out your old BYTE magazines and look for an early Circuit Cellar article about X-Y plotting. In it you will find a picture of a Heathkit IO-105 dual-trace 'scope. Well friends, THAT VERY SAME 'scope can be YOURS! This scope was PERSONALLY owned by Steve Ciarcia and became a fixture at the Circuit Cellar (even has a BEAUTIFUL, PROFESSIONALLY CRAFTED Circuit Cellar mylar sticker adorning the case) - and for an extra $5 I think I can get him to autograph it with an engraving tool ANYWHERE YOU WANT ON THE CASE!!! (sorry - seeing that post about DAK making a comeback has obviously done strange things to my brain) All seriousness aside, I got this from Steve, and it is in very good condition with only one small problem - it immediately blows its fuse whenever you turn it on. I loved Heathkits - they were just my speed - I could follow instructions, measure and cut wire, and I could grab the cool end of a soldering iron over 60% of the time. But without a manual and with no formal or informal training in electronics, to me it's just a boat anchor. I was going to toss it, but if anyone wants it, I can A) bring it to VCF East, or B) have it packed and shipped (it's heavy, bulky and obviously at least the tube itself is breakable). Just to make thing things interesting, anyone who can offer me a book, old computer magazine, Infocom CP/M disk or manual, NEC V-20, anything vaguely CP/M or 8080 / Z-80 /S-100 related, it's yours. No takers - its off to SallyAnn or Good Will (with a note attached stating its fuse-blowing propensity). Decision by the judges is final. Offer good only as long as I feel like it. For a list of the winner, send a SASE to: Bob Stek Saver of Lost Sols

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SPAM - Ancient Mac stuff FS

by jrasite＠eoni.com

I'm still sitting on a pile of vintage machines (wife continues to say the "sea of beige" has to go! Two boxed up and ready to go ain't enough): Keyboards, cables and rodents included with the following if you desire. (5) IIsi 5/80 (might even be a 9/80 in the pile...) $10ea. (2) Plus $10ea. $30 with correct 20-40mb external (no scsi cable included though.) 512K $25 (in negotiation) LC $10 (2) LC III $15ea. IIci $15 <sale pending> IIcx $10 LC 520 $45 IIfx w/ 25Mhz Rocket and fast scsi daughtercard, 8*24GC $50 <sale pending> C650 (stock with Q650 specs 33Mhz & math. go figure...) $25 Esoterica: Apple Personal Modem (1400 baud) Period accessory for IIe/c/128/512/Plus collectors. $10 Apple Adjustable Keyboard (complete but non-functional) $5 128/512/Plus 10-key keypad $5 Localtalk tranceivers $5/pr. Imagewriter $10 12" monitors $20 Bernoulli Transportable 90 with 4 disks (Has some interesting s/w on a couple of them) $45 A bunch of HP plotter pens of various types and colors $50 gets the FULL 12" x 16" x 7" box I also have a few ethernet cards for vintage Macs if anyone is looking. All are used/tested. They fit: (2) IIsi (1) SE/30 (1) LC III $15 ea All prices are exclusive of shipping. I prefer USPS but since you'll be paying the freight, you get to choose. Jim

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IBM AS/400(?) in Denver, CO

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

To the best of my knowledge, no IBM machine has *ever* contained such a feature.. I've worked with RS/6000's, System/36's, AS/400's, and a 4381, and none contain such a feature... Hell the AS/400's had been kicked out the backdoor of the building into the parking lot, and they work fine.. so file that under urban legend... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

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OT oil shortage

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

Perhaps the most entertaining thing is where the US imports the majority of its imported petroleum from: Canada. Will J _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

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Who wants a Tektronix 8002A uProcessor Lab?

by steven_j_robertson＠hotmail.com

I took the 8002 that I got from Joe (Thanks Joe) and hooked it up to a terminal but couldn't get them to talk to each other. Seems the 8002 has a bad -12V power supply so the comm wouldn't work. I didn't get any further than that so, I'm not sure if there are other problems with the system or not. I removed the PS and it's not that complex so, it should possible to fix it without TOO much work. If I was really inspired, I could probably fix it in a few hours. It's probably something as simple as the Voltage Regulator IC or a fried bypass transistor. Of course, I could substitute another PS but, I'd prefer to keep everything original. Since I don't have the TEKDOS disks or any other software, this project has been really low on my priority list. If those TEKDOS disks are still available, I could certainly use them. Not sure about the disk format. Does any one know if they can be duplicated on another system? The box that I have has a Z80 POD and assembler. The Z80 happens to be my preferred microprocessor and it'd be very cool to have a "real" z80 development system. SteveRob >From: joe <rigdonj(a)intellistar.net> >Reply-To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org >To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org >CC: Steve Robertson <steven_j_robertson(a)hotmail.com> >Subject: Re: Who wants a Tektronix 8002A uProcessor Lab? >Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 11:25:23 -0400 > >Hi Joel, > > I'm very interested in Tektronix computers. I never set out to collect >them but they just seem to find me. I have a loaded 4051, Tek 31 >claculator, several 4041s and an 8170. I picked up an 8002 about a year >ago. I didn't have room to keep it or the time to fool with it so I >finally gave it to Steve Robertson. I also had some manuals that I had >picked up somewhere. I gave them to Steve also. Somewhere I have some Tek >DOS disks also and I plan on giving them to Steve when I find them. I >don't know if the disks that I have are the right ones for this 8002 and I >know that there are manuals that I'm missing so if no one else claims this >stuff, I will claim it on Steve's behalf. I'll also take some of the >hardware but I won't be able to take it all since it would cost a fortune >to ship. (I'm in Orlando, Florida.) Still, between the two of them we >should be able to make a complete and operational system. > > Joe > >At 09:33 PM 7/10/01 -0600, you wrote: >>Hi all... >> >>Buried away in my company's cold storage I some time ago found a Tektronix >>8002A uProcessor Lab. I made one inquiry about this earlier, and got a >>reply >>telling me it was an interesting find. Sorry but I don't recall the fellow >>who sent that email. The 8002A was apparently used to develop software and >>operating systems for 8080 and 6800 based devices. Our company used it to >>develop the software for RTU's (Remote Terminal Units), which are commonly >>used in the oil & gas business at remote sites to control and monitor >>equipment on the site (such as pumps, valves, pressure transmitters). >> >>I've gone back out and made a partial list of everything that's included, >>which follows. I've also asked the boss what he thinks, and he just wants >>it >>GONE - that means FREE! So, have a look below and if this intrigues you >>let >>me know. The main problem will be shipping, as the total package probably >>weighs 200 pounds. The equipment is located in central Alberta (yes that >>IS >>Canada), so you might want to think twice about the shipping costs. >> >>Hardware: >> >> Tektronix 8002A uProcessor Lab >> - 2 PROM burner sockets on front panel >> >>2 Tektronix Flexible Disc Units >> - 2 8" floppy drives each >> >>2 Emulator Processors with probes >> (external black boxes on ribbon cables, & DIP plug) >> >>Manuals: >> >> 8080A Emulator Processor >> 8080A Assembler & Editor User's Manual >> >> 6800 Emulator Processor >> 6800 Assembler & Editor User's Manual >> >>3 TekDOS System Reference Booklets >> >> Command Reference Cards for various processors >> >>Software: >> >>NUMEROUS 8" floppies which seem to include... >> >> TekDOS >> Fortran >> Pascal >> RTU Development Disks (many) >> >>Depending on interest I may run this notice another time or two, to make >>sure nobody who might be interested misses it.... >> >>Joel A. Weder >>jweder(a)telusplanet.net >>403-556-4020 > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

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DAK (was: Historically interesting (?) 'scope to anyone offeingr me anything interesting worth under $10

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

At 10:10 AM 7/11/01 -0700, you wrote: > > >(sorry - seeing that post about DAK making a comeback has obviously done > > >strange things to my brain) > > And the invention of "eDAKonians" makes my eyes bleed. > >If you look at the page info, ... >www.dak.com and it's subsidiary pages, was put up in June 2000, and ahsn't >been changed since. Would that indicate a "false start"? If you read the web page carefully, you'll see that Drew is helping a bank setup this new DAK. It doesn't sound like it's going to be his company or that he's going to run it. So I doubt it will be as good as the old DAK. :-( Joe

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Chassis Hardware

by vance＠ikickass.org

Hi. Two questions: First of all, can the mounting platform of the VAXstation 3100 be transplanted into a DECstation 3100? Second, does anyone have any mounting rails for a DECstation 3100? Peace... Sridhar

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ClassicCmp Survivor Series!

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> I'm intrigued. What are you doing with this hypercube? > > Peace... Sridhar Arthur Clarke once wrote a story about some Tibetan (or nearby) Buddhist monks using a computer to iterate all the names of God, so that they could bring the world to an end. Or maybe it was bradbury, but it seems I recall Clarke... Once good application would be to create an intelligent filter for the ClassicCmp mailing list, to keep all the off-topic discussions out of my mailbox. Yeah, they bug me too, but OTOH I wouldn't want the flow censored *for* me, only *by* me... Regards, -dq

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kinda-classiccmp-related

by mrbill＠mrbill.net

I've got a Tek model 453 'scope on the way. Opinions/comments on this model? Anybody got a manual they can photocopy for me? Thanks. Bill -- Bill Bradford mrbill(a)mrbill.net Austin, TX

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DEC DF108-RM

by chomko＠greenbelt.com

I found two DEC DF108-RM units. They appear to be a modem pool or communication unit of some sort. What are they worth? IS there any interest in them? I found them at one of my regular haunts. The sticker states "make offer." Let me know if there is any interest. Eric

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Interesting new find (and not from Circuit Cellar!)

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Interesting you should mention Lab-Volt. I just picked up one of the four > position workstations/benches along with the installed test equipment, etc. > with all the student test assemblies. It has four sets of logic trainers, > motor experiments, and radio parts along with one set of student manuals. I > didn't realize they also made a microcomputer trainer, but now I'll have to > dig around and see if I can find one :). Our high school science labs had Lab-Volt power supplies at each two-person workstation. Klunky looking but we never had a failure... -dq

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Old Mystery solved

by cmcmanis＠mcmanis.com

A long time ago I posed an interesting mystery to the folks on both the classiccmp and port-vax lists. That mystery was this, "What cable do I need to connect the KA660 in the BA400 cabinet to the DSSI bus?" I asked the question because the KA660, like the KA640, has a DSSI interface on the CPU card. Further that interface comes out to a 50 pin IDC plug that is next to the 50 pin plug for the memory bus (just like the KA640). Further, in the right most slot of the BA400 series chassis with the Q/CD back plane is a board, M9715, that has a high density Honda connector and it plugs into the DSSI backplane. I reasoned that there was a DEC cable that went from the 50 pin IDC connector to the Honda connector and this provided the internal path to the DSSI bus. I discovered later that the CD connectors on the far right of the Q/CD backplane in the BA440 are connected to the DSSI drives, and further that the KA660 routes the DSSI interface there so just plugging it in connected it to the DSSI backplane. And I never figured out what went in the M9715 until now ... DEC Part #17-02704-01 which is a replacement cover plate for the board, and has a DSSI connector on it and a cable that plugs into the Honda connector! This came off an B400X which had the Qbus extension in it and this cover/cable combination allows you to plug into the DSSI chain! Mystery solved! --Chuck

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Ford EEC-IV

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 7/10/01 8:23:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time, vaxman(a)qwest.net writes: << Anyone got any info? My car (1990) has one, and I'm curious... Not curious enough to risk killing my car though. >> There is book about using/modifying EEC systems on the market. There's also a yahoo group that talks about the system in detail. tuner23 I think its called. All of this is car related of course. -- DB Young Team OS/2 old computers, hot rod pinto and more at: www.nothingtodo.org

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Any interest in Data General Aviions or an RS/6000?

by dan＠ekoan.com

I've got a lead on four DG Aviions, CPUs only. They look to be pretty clean but I didn't have much time to check them out and there was no way to test any of them. They appeared to be identical, but I only got to see the back label on one of them, which was an AV 4300. Any interest? Also, at the same place there's an RS/6000 J50. Again, just the CPU box itself and no way of testing anything. If someone is seriously interested, let me know what they might be worth (sight unseen, I know) and I'll go back with an offer to pick 'em up. They're located in Maryland, if shipping or pick-up is an issue. Cheers, Dan

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This is one of those times...

by vance＠ikickass.org

...when they made a MIPS/VMS. Can you make a heterogeneous VMScluster of VAXen and Alphas? Peace... Sridhar

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controlling power

by mikeford＠socal.rr.com

> hey do you have any ideas about using relays or some thing connected >to a parallel or aerial port to control the power to an outlet, you know >like a dimmer switch controlling motors ETC if you have any thought >or ideas I'd be glad to hear them. X10, why reinvent the wheel? or Rotten computer sent that before I could add http://www.sophisticated.com/ currently mac oriented, but moving to USB and all platforms. More generic stuff, looks pricey though. http://www.dataprobe.com http://ecatalog.squared.com/catalog/html/sections/04/17204010.htm

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Interesting new find (and not from Circuit Cellar!)

by r.stek＠snet.net

Tag sale-ing does have its moments. I picked up (after some hard bargaining) from a retired engineer, a Lab-Volt 355 microcomputer trainer. Based around a 6502, it has a hex keypad on the right side of its sloping panel, and another 16-key keypad on the left with keys apparently used to initiate common "faults" by the instructor. Above the keypad is a complete LED display which shows in both binary and digitally the contents of memory, address, stack, accumulator, etc. This is a big heavy sucker. It has parallel, serial, cassette audio I/O, digital I/O, device controller connectors on the rear. It also has expansion slots accessible thru the rear. The former owner says he still has the manuals, but cannot find them at the moment. I did get some info from Lab-Volt, but they are just sales brochures. Any 6502 affectionados out there with some more history on this unit? Bob Stek Saver of Lost Sols

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gonkulator

by louis.hannah＠btinternet.com

Magnasee mag stripe fluid developer can be bought from Kyros in the usa phone 608 238-3587. The plastic viewer you speak of was made by 3m many years since I seen one so they no longer be in production. Lou Hannah

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Ford EEC-IV

by vaxman＠qwest.net

Anyone got any info? My car (1990) has one, and I'm curious... Not curious enough to risk killing my car though. Clint

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ClassicCmp Survivor Series!

by cmcmanis＠mcmanis.com

At 01:16 PM 7/10/01 -0500, you wrote: >If I'm the second to the last do I get a 286? No you get TWO million 386's --Chuck

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Off Topic Crap - Stop It Now!

by MTPro＠aol.com

Be considerate, then reflect on your OT views. I am sick and tired of this BS! Knock it off. HELLO, anybody monitoring this mess?! Enough, start kicking people off already. And please everyone, stop quoting super long lines of previous messages. Are you too lazy to just keep it short for basic reference. If you must discuss politics, religion, etc. then do it by personal e-mail unless you are just strutting yourself online.

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Catweasel Floppy Read/Write Tools, version 2.1

by tim.mann＠compaq.com

Version 2.1 of my Catweasel Floppy Read/Write Tools (cw2dmk and dmk2cw) is now available at http://www.tim-mann.org/trs80resources.html. This release adds some heuristics to cw2dmk to produce cleaner output files and to autodetect RX02 encoding. Standard blurb on the tools: The Catweasel Floppy Read/Write Tools are software for the Catweasel ISA universal floppy disk controller. cw2dmk will read several kinds of floppy disk, some of which ordinary PC controllers have trouble with, and save them in the DMK disk image format. (DMK is a format used by the Unix TRS-80 emulator xtrs and by David Keil's TRS-80 emulator for MS-DOS.) cw2dmk does not just read TRS-80 disks; it can handle (at least) any disk written using a Western Digital 177x/179x floppy disk controller, a PC-style NEC765-compatible controller, or a Digital Equipment Corporation RX02 controller. dmk2cw will write any DMK image back to a real floppy disk, and handles the same kinds of disks as cw2dmk. The tools run on both Linux and MS-DOS. Source code is included under the GPL. Tim Mann tim.mann(a)compaq.com http://www.tim-mann.org Compaq Computer Corporation, Systems Research Center, Palo Alto, CA

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Best ways to drive a Tektronix terminal?

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

I don't know of any machine that will drive them other Tektronix machines. However there is a Tektronix 4041 for sale on E-bay right now. The last time that I checked, the price was still cheap. In case you're not familar with it, the 4041 is shoebox sized computer that's usually used as an HP-IB instrument controller. They have a 68000 CPU and run BASIC. They don't have a screen or keyboard but use a terminal instead. Once they're programmed they're usually run with no terminal attached. They do have a very small LED display and a few keys on the front in order to input Yes/No, numbers and other minimal information. They also have a built in tape drive and can auto-load programs in a stand alone mode. Joe At 09:29 AM 7/9/01 -0700, you wrote: >I reciently inherited a rather stout Tektronix terminal. It sits in it's >own stand and appears very solidly built. This machine is the classic >green storage tube phospher (Remember Battlestar Galactica?). > >I used one of these in college many years ago and was wondering if there >were any libraries for cpm era machines I might be able to use to drive >the graphic modes of this ancient terminal. > > >George Rachor > >========================================================= >George L. Rachor Jr. george(a)rachors.com >Hillsboro, Oregon http://rachors.com >United States of America Amateur Radio : KD7DCX

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ClassicCmp Reality Series ...

by mbbrutman＠yahoo.com

"Who Wants To Own A Meg Of RAM" - Answer 15 questions correctly, starting with "How many bits in an 8-bit word" and work your way up to reciting the last five license plates of cars owned by Seymour Cray. Winners get one megabyte of RAM (8 bit bytes), parity checked, at 120ns in discrete TTL logic. "Survivor: (Slashdor series)" 60 people (mostly men) are subscribed to a mailing list. Except instead of being free form, it has a group moderation feature a-la Slashdot. Instead of getting mod'ed down to -1, you get voted off the list. Who'll be the last poster standing? Immunity challenges are replaced with being marked "insightful" and mod'ed up to 5 on a post, while being able to bash Jon Katz. "Temptation Mailing List" 60 people (same group) are subscribed to a mailing list, and all other access to other computers is cut off. Can they stay on topic with the mailing list, or will they all succumb to their darkest fears? "MSN House" Ooops. This was done already. Too bad WebVan has gone out of business - now they are going to starve to death. "VAXyard Wars" Build a machine capable of running a SETI work unit in 15 hours. You are limited to vintage hardware (pre-1985) for this task. You can use anything you can find in the hardware, including water cooling equipment for overclocking the cranky of VAXes. Oh, and you have to pedal a bicycle that you build yourself to supply the electricity. Hard drives are made out of old tires. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

25 years, 1 month

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SCSI Ethernet adapters (was: How much is a partial Lisaworth?)

by jruschme＠mac.com

>Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 16:12:04 -0400 >From: "Michael L. Drew" <mldrew(a)drewtech.com> >Subject: Re: SCSI Ethernet adapters (was: How much is a partial Lisaworth?) > >Hi! >I am not sure that this is the same thing.... > >I have 3 NuvoLink SC boxes. > >They have AUI,BNC and SCSI on the back... Well, they are SCSI-to-Ethernet converters. Though, in terms of drivers, they are totally different. >From what I can see, there are the following families of SCSI-to-Ethernet boxes: Kinetics -> Cabletron Compatible Systems -> NuvoLink SC -> Focus EtherSC Dayna Farallon / Sonic Asante What is somewhat interesting is that if you know the history of some of the companies and how the rest of their product lines changed hands, then there are at least two companies missing: Cayman Systems Shiva For most of the Kinetics products, there are Cayman, Shiva, and Dayna versions. The DaynaPORT SCSI-to-Ethernet adapter, however, has no relationship to the Kinetics one. Personally, I've always wondered if it had an ancestor product at Cayman or Shiva, but have never been able to figure that out. <<<john>>>

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ClassicCmp Survivor Series!

by CARL.P.HIRSCH＠sargentlundy.com

I got a lot more out of _eXisTenZ_, but maybe that's just because Cronenberg's so talented and disturbing. Something about his biomechanical aesthetic (a la Naked Lunch) and profound uneasiness (a la Videodrome) really turns my crank. -carl "John Allain" <allain(a)panix.com> To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Sent by: cc: owner-classiccmp@clas Subject: Re: ClassicCmp Survivor Series! siccmp.org 07/10/01 03:47 PM Please respond to classiccmp > We're just part of a simulation, being run in another universe. :) <rave> There was a movie called "The Thirteenth Floor" made in 1999 that had this as the basis, Computer simulations as all encompassing alternate universes. In case you thought the movie sucked or, further that is doesn't apply to the 10 year rule... It is based on a story "Counterfeit World / Simulachron-3", published in, get this, 1964... and serialized for German TV in 1974 by Fassbinder. Just in case you thought VR was a unique idea. Galouye must've had something going, when you think of what computers were actually doing in 64. John A. </rave>

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TZ85/TK85

by dittman＠dittman.net

I have a drive that is identified on the front as a TZ85 and on the top as a TK85-AX. The drive has a non-standard interface one the back. The interface is a high-density 40-pin connector in two rows of 10. Does anyone know what kind of connector is on this drive? -- Eric Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net

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Navtel RS-232 breakout box

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

Does anyone have the technical manual for the Navtel SuperTest 25 RS-232 breakout box? I need to know how to make it act like as a DCE. It's a green metal box that's about 3 x 3"inches and about 9" tall. Joe

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ClassicCmp Survivor Series!

by mjsnodgr＠rockwellcollins.com

"Clint Wolff (VAX collector)" <vaxman(a)qwest.net>@classiccmp.org on 07/09/2001 10:05:47 PM Please respond to classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Sent by: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org cc: Subject: ClassicCmp Survivor Series! Don't be the first to get voted off the mailing list!!!! 1 Million '386 PCs for the last person to get voted off :) ------------------------------------------------ If I'm the second to the last do I get a 286? - M.S.

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QBUS Board ID?

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On July 10, Ethan Dicks wrote: > The PIC is a Harvard Architecture machine (seperate instruction and data > busses, typically different widths, as opposed to a Von Neumann architecture > machine - code and data on the same bus). I think I remember reading that > the 8X300-series is also H.A. Yes, they're both Harvard architecture processors, but beyond that, the PIC 16xxx architecture traces its lineage directly back to the 8X300 family. -Dave McGuire

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QBUS Board ID?

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On July 10, Will Jennings wrote: > Um, how are the 8X305 and the PIC related? Totally different companies, and > the 8X300 (which the 8X305 is descended from), is older than the original > PIC, to the best of my knowledge... PIC = General Instruments, while 8X300 = > SMS, later bought by Signetics.. or the 2650 was the SMS chip, at any rate, > it was a Signetics chip.. GI adapted the SMS/Signetics 8x300 for use as a peripheral interface controller (PIC) to augment the poor I/O of its CP1600 processor. GI's IC division was spun off to form Arizona Microchip Technology (sound familiar?) in the mid 80's, producing EPROMs, EEPROMs, and..."PIC" processors. -Dave McGuire

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Need Help with Possible CDC Tape Drive Rescue

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

I have a favor to ask, of anyone who is able and feels inclined to help. There was a CDC 9-track tape drive, said to be a model 696, of the old Cyber mainframe variety. This particular model might even have been used on one of their non-Cyber models, but at eighty bucks, I'd like to have it. But it's in Clinton VA, and I'm in Louisville KY (or thereabouts). Is there a lister near DC who might be willing to pick it up and hold it for, say, up to three years? Responses off-list, preferred, but not required. Thanks, -doug quebbeman

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QBUS Board ID?

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

Um, how are the 8X305 and the PIC related? Totally different companies, and the 8X300 (which the 8X305 is descended from), is older than the original PIC, to the best of my knowledge... PIC = General Instruments, while 8X300 = SMS, later bought by Signetics.. or the 2650 was the SMS chip, at any rate, it was a Signetics chip.. Will J _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

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ClassicCmp Survivor Series!

by Lee.Davison＠merlincommunications.com

> What if there is one or more names of God of infinite length? > Then it wouldn't have been a name that could be known. Which was, ISTR, part of the story. Lee. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- This email is intended only for the above named addressee(s). The information contained in this email may contain information which is confidential. The views expressed in this email are personal to the sender and do not in any way reflect the views of the company. If you have received this email and you are not a named addressee please delete it from your system and contact Merlin Communications International IT Department on +44 20 7344 5888. _____________________________________________________________________ This message has been checked for all known viruses by Star Internet delivered through the MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service. For further information visit http://www.star.net.uk/stats.asp or alternatively call Star Internet for details on the Virus Scanning Service.

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Any IBM S/360 model 30 on this globe (fwd)

by thompson＠mail.athenet.net

Reply to original author... -- ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 12:45:59 +0200 From: Henk Stegeman <Henk.J.Stegeman(a)is.shell.com> Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main Subject: Any IBM S/360 model 30 on this globe Resent-Subject: Any IBM S/360 model 30 on this globe Hi, I have an old IBM S/360 model 30 front panel and I started a project to bring this panel back to live. I wrote an emulator on Linux which emulates S/360 model 30 micro-code instructions. You read this correctly: micro-code instruction, not S/360 instructions. The emulator is now finished and has already executed successfully some micro-code instructions which I copied out of the Field Engineering Theory of Operation Manual (FETOM). I need a complete copy of all the IBM CLD pages to implement the full micro-code set needed for the whole S/360 instruction set. I am now searching for any remaining IBM S/360 models 30 or 22 on this globe (privately or museum). Who can help me ? I know that the Computer Museum at Mountain View and the IBM Museum in Endicott have a model 30 but unfortunately without documentation. Any hint, tips or leads are welcome ! Regards Henk Henk.j.stegeman(a)is.shell.com

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B+H IRIS boards

by Robert_Feldman＠jdedwards.com

I recently found some Bell+Howell Iris boards in the dumpster behind a local computer repair place. They are 3 piggyback boards that fit in two PC(?) slots. One board is labeled "CPU" and has socketed TI 34010 Graphics Processor, socketed Bt454KPJ170 chip, a boot EPROM, and two different sets of 32 RAM chips (511000P-10 and D41264V-15). The EPROM is (c) 1986, the boards 1987 and 1988. There is a coax connector off the first board. The second board is labeled "Iris Printer/Scanner" and has a 26 pin header. The third board, which has a SCSI port, is labeled "Iris Decomp". Since these boards are sandwiched close to the first, I cannot see what is on them without taking them apart. I have 4 complete boards and one without the 2 socketed chips. Does anyone want one/more of them? You can have one for the cost of shipping. They weigh just over 2 pounds, so shipping would be $5.00 or a bit more. I gather that they are some sort of scanner interface/processor, but does anyone know more about them? Bob Feldman

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FT: BIG HAUL of MAINDEC paper tapes and DEC engineering drawings

by mrbill＠mrbill.net

I just got in everything below. However, I have no use for / cant read the paper tapes, and the engineering drawings should go to someone who actually has the hardware and can use them. I'd like to trade off any/all of the following for other PDP-11 systems and gear, alternately for RAM or a G3 upgrade for a PowerMac 7600. I have yet to obtain a full "old style" -11 with the full blinkylighten front panel.. Not interested in making a profit, just trying to trade what I've got for excess hardware someone else might have... If interested in any of the below, please email me at mrbill(a)pdp11.org. Bill Paper Tapes: ------------ Tapes that have (looks new) came out of what appeared to be the original envelopes from DEC, and looked completely unused. as "new" as they can be after almost 30 years, I guess. Otherwise, tapes are in "good used" or "excellent" condition, as far as I can tell - I've never used a paper-tape reader. Most of these tapes are older than I am. 8-) PN Date Desc. -------------------------------------- (loose tapes, bound with rubber bands) MAINDEC-11-DZDLB-A-PB 7/23/75 DL11-E ON LINE TEST MAINDEC-11-DCKB2-A-PB 1/10/73 PDP-11/45 CONSOLE SWITCHES TEST MAINDEC-11-DCMFA-B-PB 5/11/73 COMBINED MOS (MS-11) & CORE (MF-11-LP, MALL-P) PARITY TESTS MAINDEC-11-DZKWA-A-PB 5/10/72 LINE FREQUENCY CLOCK TESTS (looks new) MAINDEC-11-DZLAB-A-PB 7/1972 LC11/LA30 TERMINAL TESTS (looks new) MAINDEC-11-DZITA-A-PB 11/12/75 INTERPROCESSOR TEST PROGRAM (looks new) MAINDEC-11-DZDLD-B-PB 10/27/75 DL11 OVERLAY FOR INTERPROCESSOR TEST PROGRAM (looks new) MAINDEC-11-DZDLB-A-PB 10/31/75 DL11-E ON LINE TEST (looks new) MAINDEC-11-DZDLC-A-PB 10/31/75 DL11-C,D, OR E OFF LINE TEST (looks new) (tapes in either a blue plastic tape carrier or plastic "holders" of some sort, excellent condition) MAINDEC-11-DCKBC-A-PB 3/15/72 XOR INSTRUCTION MAINDEC-11-DCKBR-B-PB 8/73 11/40-11/45 CPU PARITY TEST MAINDEC-11-DLAA-PB 3/30/70 BASIC ADDRESS TEST (UP) MAINDEC-11-DZMME-B-PB 10/11/72 MEMORY MOVING ONES AND ZEROES TEST MAINDEC-11-DZMMI-A-PB 5/15/72 RANDAT MAINDEC-11-DZMMJ-A-B 4/26/72 PDP-11 8K MEMORY SPECIAL MAINDEC-11-DZQMA-D-PB 8/14/72 MEMORY I/O EXERCISER MAINDEC-11-DZMMK-A-PB 6/7/72 UP-DOWN ADDRESS TEST MAINDEC-11-DDGTG-A-PB 11/26/75 GT40/GT44 VISUAL DISPLAY TEST W/VR17 DISPLAY MAINDEC-11-DDGTE-B-PB 11/26/75 GT40 QUICK VERIFY TEST MAINDEC-11-DDGTD-B-PB 11/26/75 GT40 ROM VERIFY TEST MAINDEC-11-DDGTC-B-PB 11/26/75 GT40/GT44 VISUAL DISPLAY TEST w/VR14 DISPLAY MAINDEC-11-DDGTA-C-PB 11/26/75 GT40/GT44 INSTRUCTION TEST I MAINDEC-11-DDGTB-C-PB 11/26/75 GT40/GT44 INSTRUCTION TEST II MAINDEC-11-DZDLB-A-PB 11/26/75 DL11-E ON LINE TEST MAINDEC-11-DZDLC-A-PB 11/26/75 DL11-C,D, & E OFF LINE TEST MAINDEC-11-DXQLJ-B-PR 1/27/76 DEC/X11 11/70 MONITOR LIBRARY MAINDEC-11-DXQLA-E1-PR 1/23/76 DEC/X11 MONITOR LIBRARY #1 MAINDEC-11-DXQLD-I-PR 1/23/76 DEC/X11 COMMUNICATIONS OPTIONS LIBRARY #1 MAINDEC-11-DXQLE-E-PR 1/27/76 DEC/X11 COMMUNICATIONS OPTIONS LIBRARY #2 MAINDEC-11-DXQAD-F-PB 1/23/76 DEC/X11 CONFIGURATOR PROGRAM MAINDEC-11-DXQLB-H-PR 1/23/76 DEC/X11 GENERAL PRODUCTS LIBRARY #1 MAINDEC-11-DXQLC-H1-PR 1/23/76 DEC/X11 GENERAL PRODUCTS LIBRARY #2 MAINDEC-11-DXQLF-E-PR 1/23/76 LAB & INDUSTRIAL OPTIONS MODULE LIBRARY #1 MAINDEC-11-DXQLG-G-PR 1/23/76 LAB & INDUSTRIAL OPTIONS MODULE LIBRARY #2 MAINDEC-11-DXGLH-G1-PR 1/16/76 DEC/X11 NEW OPTIONS MODULE LIBRARY #1 Engineering drawing print sets: ------------------------------- 98% of these are originals, altho some are loose-pages instead of being bound or stapled together. I'm pretty sure everything is complete sets, with some duplicates in fact. Almost everything also has the yellow "print change" sheets with it as well (I guess thats what those are; I havent spent more than 10 minutes looking at them yet). FP11-B RK11-D TM-11 PDP-11/45 RK-05 RK-11D LPS-11-S LA30 VT11 DL11 MF11 LPS-11 G728 BC05P BC05N GT40 M7015 RP11-C H223 TU10A LA36 KT11-C MF11-LP G235 VR14 DR11-C DD11-C -- Bill Bradford mrbill(a)mrbill.net Austin, TX

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4th of July Hypocricy (was: OT Celebration)

by Glenatacme＠aol.com

In a message dated 7/9/01 8:33:35 AM Eastern Daylight Time, rigdonj(a)intellistar.net writes: > Florida recently dropped their motorcycle helmet law too. Or rather > you don't hav eto wear a helmet if you have insurance. If you don't have > insurance then you still have to wear a helmet. Joe, what type of insurance are you referring to? AFAIK insurance is required for motorcycles same as it is for cars here in FL. IMHO it's crazy to be on a motorcycle without a helmet, so why not just abandon the helmet requirement and let Darwin have the last word . . . Glen 0/0

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ClassicCmp Survivor Series!

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Don't be the first to get voted off the mailing list!!!! > > 1 Million '386 PCs for the last person to get voted off :) I've been ignoring the off-topic rants- I hope there is *not* a serious discussion regarding voting someone off the list... even though it might be fun to kid about. My reasoning being, democracy becomes majoritarianism just prior to its becoming fascism... Regards, -doug q p.s. I really need all 1 million of those 386s for the Hypercube I'm thinking of building (just to bring it back on-topic...)

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Sparcserver 490 (was: getting cards out of a Sparcserver 470)

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On July 9, jkunz(a)unixag-kl.fh-kl.de wrote: > Some recent version (maybe 1.5, at least -current) of NetBSD will run on > that beast, but the best choice would be SunOs 4.1.3 That is the OS > this machine was build for. Is is a decent 4.2BSD UNIX derivate with > 4.3BSD and SysV enhancements. For SunOS, I'd suggest 4.1.4. Very recent NetBSD will run nicely on that machine as well. -Dave McGuire

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Sparcserver 490 (was: getting cards out of a Sparcserver 470)

by kfergaso＠swbell.net

I've never heard of 4.1.4_U1, so if anyone has that, I would like to see it. Sun put out a 4.1.3_U1, and then 4.1.4. The companies I have worked at all had software support, so I believe I would have seen a _U1, but you never know. Kelly Hi Dave McGuire, you wrote on 7/9/01 4:37:48 PM: > > I thought it was 4.0.3, but it may be 4.0.2.. > > -Dave McGuire > >On July 9, Sridhar Ayengar wrote: > > And 4.0.2 was the last for Roadrunners, right? > > Peace... Sridhar > > On Mon, 9 Jul 2001, Dave McGuire wrote: > > > On July 9, jkunz(a)unixag-kl.fh-kl.de wrote: > > > > For SunOS, I'd suggest 4.1.4. > > > I thought 4.1.3 was the end of the flagstaff? Or was that Sun3 only? > > > > 4.1.1_U1 was the last for the Sun3 > > 4.1.4_U1 was the last for SPARC > > > > -Dave McGuire > >

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PLATO Gallery (Was: RE: PLATO IV Terminal Update)

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Douglas, > > It should be CDC, several guys from CDC left and came to Atari at one > point to work in the Home Computer Division (1982-1984) and among their > projects were computers with built in modems for communications and also the > Plato Terminal Cartridge for the Atari 8bit computer systems. When the > service was running I used to logon, it was amazing to see the color > graphics and animation, all well before the advent of Mosiac and "the web" While CDC provided the mainframe hardware support, Donald Bitzer at the University of Illinois created PLATO. Around 1981, UofI and CDC parted ways, with both retaining ownership of PLATO. But every piece of CDC equipment I've ever said had the distinctive style of CDC equipment design, and the PLATO plasma display terminal didn't have the CDC look. Seems I vaguely recall being told 25 years ago that they were indeed made by Magnavox. PLATO still lives, you know, at least the UofI version does, as NovaNET. I've been granted access to NovaNET as a "distinguished visiting scholar". I've put a gallery of PLATO scren shots at: http://members.iglou.com/dougq/cdc/post-login.jpg http://members.iglou.com/dougq/cdc/llist-index.jpg http://members.iglou.com/dougq/cdc/recreation.jpg http://members.iglou.com/dougq/cdc/choose.jpg and then a more complete gallery at: http://members.iglou.com/dougq/plato_index.html that brings you to a page that has thumbnails of the entire gallery. If you're on a slow link, you may want to jump straight to the first frame: http://members.iglou.com/dougq/plato/html/PlatoIV-00.html then you can "press" "Next" each frame to advance to the next. This way, it plays back a little bit like it looked on screen, except the tiny amount of animation the lesson provides can't be seen on these pages. I have a second gallery, showing the multi-user game EMPIRE, but right now I'm shy of space to upload it. Regards, -doug quebbeman

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SperryPC 384K memory board

by rschaefe＠gcfn.org

Found this a while back, and it's been sitting here ever since. Anyone interested in it, for trade or something maybe? Part number F5058-00 A (I think), serial number 47y791. I hate to let this kind of stuff just lay around, when someone could be using it! Contact me off-list, I'm not subscribed. Bob rschaefe(a)gcfn.org

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Stupid discussions and a Xerox floppy format question

by Alan.Pearson＠cramersystems.com

> There's a wide range of what folks perceive as reality. Yeah, my take on it all is that the sunspots have got to a few people on this list too. Oldham, Bradford, ClassicCmp.. "has the world gone mad or is it me?" :-) Now then, the real reason for my post: does anyone have a tool for formatting floppies in Xerox "Pilot" format, for use with GVWin? If not, does anyone have any docs relating to the Pilot format so that I could write my own formatter tool? Thanks in advance! Al

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Ended auction for qbus SCSI

by fernande＠internet1.net

Did anybody see this? http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1252001410 It went for $305.00! Chad Fernandez Michigan, USA

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VCF Down Under?

by vcf＠siconic.com

I'm currently running a survey for guaging the potential for a VCF in Australia. If you are interested in taking the survey and getting your vote in for a possible location, go to: http://www.vintage.org/2001/oz/survey.php G'day! :)~ Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org

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Tandy TRS-80 Model 3 needs home

by vcf＠siconic.com

As always, reply to original sender. Reply-To: <John.Flaherty(a)intermec.com> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 13:53:31 -0700 From: John.Flaherty(a)intermec.com Subject: Tandy TRS 80 model-3 I am the owner of a Tandy TRS-80, model 3 which is looking for a home (presumably a collector) It is "pristine" * dust cover * dual disk drive * vintage '82 * 48K RAM * operator's manual * TRS-DOS manual * other stuff * a few disks probably including SuperScriptsit (word processor) * all original packing materials, includes box and padding (but these are not quite so "pristine") As far as I know it is in perfect working order, at least it was when put into storage (has not been powered-up since) --- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org

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Reading first of VMS 3.2 TU-58s now!

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

Thanks to all and sundry for the help... I have a TU-58 drive from a VAX-11/730 sitting on top of my old PC, new rubber (tygon) rollers, a custom power cable, parts from a DataRAM chassis for a serial adapter, and PUTR from www.dbit.com all rolled together. I tested the rig by slurping up a three-tape set of Ultrix 2.2 standalone boot. Running "strings" on the first image reveals all the sorts of messages one would expect in a VAX boot program. In a few minutes, I hope to be looking at something similar for VMS 3.2. Got lots of tapes to read in. The process seems to run about 4 tapes per hour with all the seek time (the media is 4:1 interleaved which is supposed to improve performance on file access, but for a physical backup, it sucks). By tomorrow I should have something interesting. I wonder if any of the VAX emulators support console media? -ethan ===== Visit "The Seventh Continent" http://penguincentral.com/penguincentral.html __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

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QBUS Board ID?

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On July 9, Chuck McManis wrote: > Ok, here is a stump the audience question. > > I've got a board that I found that was made by SMS. Its dual width, has a > 50 pin header that is terminated like a SCSI connection. A boatload of > chips one big one marked > > N8X305N A Not that this will help much, but the 8X305 is a zippy little microcontroller that was the predecessor of today's PIC family. -Dave McGuire

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Way too much computer stuff in my basement...any good ebay alternatives for unloading some of this? (ebay seller must now give credit card AND bank account info!)

by claudew＠videotron.ca

Hi all Some of you probably have seen some of my posts. I have given away a lot of computer stuff vintage and semi-vintage and traded a lot. I have trashed a lot lately. I recent years, I have accumulated way too much computer stuff (mostly vintage and semi-vintage) in my basement...I can only trade so much and trades arent really helping with the "space issue"... I dont wanna junk it and can see most of it can be used...I have paid some money for most of this... I have always "boycotted" ebay as both a seller and a buyer...now online auctions look like the only way to unload quickly the tons of stuff I have... Ill have to pack and ship but I was ready to give it a shot....rather then junk tons of working computers...and related equip... I have now gotten "cold feet" from signing up as a seller on US ebay (with good reason!) since now they ask for both credit card and complete checking bank account info!!! (how bout my fingerprints and social security no...?) Thats way too much info too have "floating around on the net" for me...even just giving my credit card is "unconfortable" for me... I can only imagine the ebay seller sign-ups going way down now...I know there is a lotta fraud on ebay but this is not a good idea for ebay IMO... I have also heard horror stories like paypal fetching funds from sellers bank accounts when stuff was undelivered or problems happened...gee... I could sign up for ebay canada, they only ask for credit card info (weird hey?) but would not be able to have the stuff listed on the US ebay....I have to open up a new account and given the bank account info to be on US ebay.... So anybody with any good alternatives to ebay? Claude http://www.members.tripod.com/computer_collector

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RA90/RA81 drives available

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On July 9, Gunther Schadow wrote: > > Ordinarily I would be willing to do this, but my life is all but > > falling apart at the seams right now and I'm afraid I just don't have > > the cycles. I'm sorry, man.. > > sheesh, sounds quite bad, I hope you'll recover. Forget about the ' > drives and get your life back together! Thanks man, workin' on it...not much else to do but that... -Dave McGuire

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Attention NeXT Owners

by Mzthompson＠aol.com

I acquired some NeXT stuff. At this point it does not looking too promising mostly due to the monitors (all mono). The ones I have fired up are very dim and require a flashlight to be able to read the screen. Some questions for the list: I have adjusted the screen control on terminals like the VT320, so I was wondering is there a comparable control in the NeXT N4000 monitor? Depending on the monitor situation, I may have some spares with regards to keyboards, mice, cables, etc. I was wondering if the keyboards and mice are hot swappable. Can I boot a machine and test several keyboards or mice without a reboot for each? Next I would like to know if there are any current owners that are looking for a specific item to get their machine up and running. Granted we all know that there are plenty of list members wanting to acquire the first NeXT, But at this point I don't know if I am going to have even one good complete machine out of the mess. Therefore I would like to hear from those that just need an item or two. I am not offering at this time, just trying to get some direction as I tackle the job of discovering what I have and what works. If and when I figure that out, I will post what is available. Thanks, Mike Thompson

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RA90/RA81 drives available

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

Ordinarily I would be willing to do this, but my life is all but falling apart at the seams right now and I'm afraid I just don't have the cycles. I'm sorry, man.. -Dave McGuire On July 9, Gunther Schadow wrote: > Just in case people haven't run in your door yet, would you consider > shipping me one or two of your RA90s? The shipping with UPS or USPS > should only be about $12 and I'm happy to pay for the required packaging. > > Thanks, > -Gunther > > Dave McGuire wrote: > > > > Anyone interested in some RA90s? I have eight available for pickup > > in Laurel, MD. I also have a pair of RA81s in a short rack. Email me > > off-list to arrange pickup. First come (well, first email), first > > served. > > > > -Dave McGuire > > -- > Gunther Schadow, M.D., Ph.D. gschadow(a)regenstrief.org > Medical Information Scientist Regenstrief Institute for Health Care > Adjunct Assistant Professor Indiana University School of Medicine > tel:1(317)630-7960 http://aurora.regenstrief.org

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RA90/RA81 drives available

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

Anyone interested in some RA90s? I have eight available for pickup in Laurel, MD. I also have a pair of RA81s in a short rack. Email me off-list to arrange pickup. First come (well, first email), first served. -Dave McGuire

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ClassicCmp Survivor Series!

by vaxman＠qwest.net

Don't be the first to get voted off the mailing list!!!! 1 Million '386 PCs for the last person to get voted off :)

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Sparcserver 490 (was: getting cards out of a Sparcserver 470)

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On July 9, Kelly Fergason wrote: > I've never heard of 4.1.4_U1, so if anyone has that, > I would like to see it. > > Sun put out a 4.1.3_U1, and then 4.1.4. The > companies I have worked at all had software support, > so I believe I would have seen a _U1, but you never know. It does indeed exist. I don't have it here, but I have run it. A thorough knowledge of C and friends willing to give you stolen copies of the source code is far better than any support Sun has ever offered. ;) -Dave McGuire

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MicroFiche scanner

by vaxman＠qwest.net

A local auction has a 4000 DPI drum scanner. Good enough to scan uFiche? By my calculations that would give 100-150 DPI, probably good enough for text, but a little weak for graphics.... Comments? Clint PS I'm going to bid on the fiche set on Ebay ;)

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Recent finds @ Indianapolis Hamfest

by Mzthompson＠aol.com

I hadn't been to the Indy hamfest since the late 80's, so went Saturday to see what's new. In some ways, not much. There were still some of the same private vendors as years ago still selling the same stuff. As expected there was more computers and less radio stuff, but that's ok. I did notice that there were around 25-30 various Mac's for sale by individuals. Don't recall prices on these. I did notice that some things were not bargins. One vendor wanted more for current memory (128mb, 168 pin DIMM) than what I paid recently at Office Max. Another wanted $20 for a spindle of CD blanks, got the same thing recently for $5, again at Office Max. I guess it pays to stay current on local prices. There was one commercial vendor who had apparently bought out a mess of stuff from a store going out buisness or some such. Most of it was like the stuff you would find in a Kmart electronics department. All of this stuff was in blister packs, in boxes on several tables, every item for 50 cents. Among the goodies I found were a couple of IBM PC printer cables & an IBM PC keyboard extension cable. The rest was more general like stereo cables & adapters and cable TV stuff. Rummaged through a large bin of CD-ROMs and came away with Microsoft Office 97 Pro and the SR-2 Patch for it, both CD-ROMs for a $1 each. Found a book on FileMaker Pro 2.1 for 20 cents, then later bought the entire software package (still shrink-wrapped) for $1. All in all, a good days haul, and saw some old friends from the days I was more active in amatuer radio. May have to make an effort to visit more hamfests in the future. Mike Thompson

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OT Celebration (Not intended to be offensive, possible humor)

by jfoust＠threedee.com

At 10:58 AM 7/6/01 -0400, joe wrote: > I can see it now, Ganja beer! Cannabis and the hop plant are so closely related, you can graft the roots of one to the stem of the other. - John

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COPY 190

by rachael_＠gmx.net

on 09-Jul-01 03:48:59 Iggy Drougge wrote >Then we found a program called COPY 190 on one of the tapes. It looked very >promising, presenting the user with a menu allowing for transfers between >tapes and disks in any direction. Only it seemed to have one serious bug: it >didn't handle file names with spaces, and just about every file on the tapes >had spaces in them. Has anyone got any experience with this program or any >tips? You can use a wildcard "Army*" then it will find anything starting with army and it will ask if you want to load it. Or if your know the where the program starts on the tape, you can just forward to that place and instead of writing the name simply type * , then will load the first program it finds and afterwards it will prompt for what name to save it under. Remember if you runs copy190 with ABC turbo drive 8 will become unit 9 instead. regards Jacob Dahl Pind -------------------------------------------------- = IF this computer is with us now... = =...It must have been meant to come live with us.= = (Belldandy - Goddess First class) = --------------------------------------------------

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SCSI Ethernet adapters (was: How much is a partial Lisa worth?)

by jruschme＠mac.com

> > >Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 11:40:53 -0700 >From: Mike Ford <mikeford(a)socal.rr.com> >Subject: Re: How much is a partial Lisa worth? > >>>No kidding. The seller is a Mac shop that's closing its doors. Most >>>of his stuff is overpriced, so I assumed that this was too - he's >>>asking $300. I did pick up a couple of Asante boxy SCSI<->Ethernet >>>adapters, complete with docs, cables and software for $8, bare box >>>only, $5. >>> >>Whoa! and where?! I think I missed the original message. Been looking for >>a SCSI ENet dongle for my SE/30 for some time! >> > >They aren't rare, I am sure you had one in your hand last time you were >here. Asante EN SC, but I wouldn't use one for a SE/30 unless there was a >good reason why I couldn't use an internal card. > Mike, you've seen more than I have, but based on my experience, I'd say the the most common ones are the Dayna and the Asante ones. The rarest would seem to be the Cabletron (the only one only one with a publised API) and the Kinetics. Personally, I'd love to find a Kinetics one just to test a theory that it is command compatible with the Cabletron. As for why not use an internal SE/30 card? Probably the best reason is if you've already got the Xceed video card. :-) <<<john>>>

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Indy2

by ndiablo＠diablonet.net

Well, depending on the configuration, the Indigo2 (which I'm assuming you're talking about) can be worth a little or a lot, as someone indicated earlier, which means around $100 to $1000 on eBay, and around $250 to $1500 from a reseller. The system was available with a myriad of processor options (R4x00, R8000, R10000) and video cards (XL,XZ,Elan,Extreme,SI,HI,MI), which are the two factors that primarily affect the price of the computer. Things that increase price: * High-clocked R4400 (200, 250 MHz) or R10000 processor. * IMPACT-ready (purple chassis with SolidImpact, HighImpact, or MaxImpact) * TRAM upgrade installed if system is IMPACT-ready * Internal CD-ROM installed on sled * Large drives and lots of RAM Things that tend to be cheaper: * Lower-clocked R4000, R4600 (100, 133, 150 MHz) * R8000 chip (I think it's a diamond in the rough, 75 MHz) * Non-IMPACT systems (teal chassis with XL, XZ, Elan, or Extreme) * Stripped of RAM and hard disk, no sleds. * Damaged plastics (expensive to replace!) I've got two Indigo2 machines, personally, an R8000/75 and an R4400/250, both with Extreme graphics, and they run wonderfully with IRIX 6.2 and are more than capable of doing anything that I need them to do. They do tend to have a little bit higher resale value than, say, a Sun or a DEC, but, IMHO, a SGI of a given vintage tends to be a little bit more usable as a WORKSTATION than a Sun or a DEC of similar vintage (no flames, please!) :) That said, I'd take a DEC or a Sun as a SERVER over a SGI in most cases. Best of luck with it! --Sean Caron (root(a)diablonet.net) | http://www.diablonet.net

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Sparcserver 490 (was: getting cards out of a Sparcserver 470)

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

I thought it was 4.0.3, but it may be 4.0.2.. -Dave McGuire On July 9, Sridhar Ayengar wrote: > > And 4.0.2 was the last for Roadrunners, right? > > Peace... Sridhar > > On Mon, 9 Jul 2001, Dave McGuire wrote: > > > On July 9, jkunz(a)unixag-kl.fh-kl.de wrote: > > > > For SunOS, I'd suggest 4.1.4. > > > I thought 4.1.3 was the end of the flagstaff? Or was that Sun3 only? > > > > 4.1.1_U1 was the last for the Sun3 > > 4.1.4_U1 was the last for SPARC > > > > -Dave McGuire > >

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Sparcserver 490 (was: getting cards out of a Sparcserver 470)

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On July 9, jkunz(a)unixag-kl.fh-kl.de wrote: > > For SunOS, I'd suggest 4.1.4. > I thought 4.1.3 was the end of the flagstaff? Or was that Sun3 only? 4.1.1_U1 was the last for the Sun3 4.1.4_U1 was the last for SPARC -Dave McGuire

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getting cards out of a Sparcserver 470

by fmc＠reanimators.org

Tom Owad <owad(a)applefritter.com> wrote: > What's the proper way of removing cards from a Sparcserver 470? I > thought you just pushed out on those plastic tabs and the card would > disconnect and could then be pulled out. Undo the two hex-head screws at the narrow edges of the card's back plate, then push on the plastic tabs (which are card lifters). Just like any other VME Sun. I'm thinking you want to push the tabs away from the center of the card, but it's been a while. -Frank McConnell

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Sparcserver 490 (was: getting cards out of a Sparcserver 470)

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On July 9, Frank McConnell wrote: > though. The one I used had another similarly-styled deskside pedestal > housing a couple of IPI disk drives. There's also a SCSI chassis of the same form factor. -Dave McGuire

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Sparcserver 490 (was: getting cards out of a Sparcserver 470)

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

More correctly, a 4/400 processor in an 80-series rackmount chassis is a 4/480. -Dave McGuire On July 9, Sridhar Ayengar wrote: > > I think the rackmount version of the 4/470 was called the 4/480. > > Peace... Sridhar > > On 9 Jul 2001, Frank McConnell wrote: > > > Sridhar Ayengar <vance(a)ikickass.org> wrote: > > > I hope you meant 30" wide rather than 30' wide. Anyone know how big a > > > 4/470 is? I am going to be getting a 4/670-714 soon. > > > > 4/470 is a wide deskside pedestal housing VME chassis, power supply, > > and a couple 5.25" full-height bays. At least the one I used to use > > was; I can imagine the guts being repackaged to fit in a 19" rack > > though. The one I used had another similarly-styled deskside pedestal > > housing a couple of IPI disk drives. > > > > -Frank McConnell > >

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Sparcserver 490 (was: getting cards out of a Sparcserver 470)

by fmc＠reanimators.org

Sridhar Ayengar <vance(a)ikickass.org> wrote: > I hope you meant 30" wide rather than 30' wide. Anyone know how big a > 4/470 is? I am going to be getting a 4/670-714 soon. 4/470 is a wide deskside pedestal housing VME chassis, power supply, and a couple 5.25" full-height bays. At least the one I used to use was; I can imagine the guts being repackaged to fit in a 19" rack though. The one I used had another similarly-styled deskside pedestal housing a couple of IPI disk drives. -Frank McConnell

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Sparcserver 490 (was: getting cards out of a Sparcserver 470)

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On July 9, Sridhar Ayengar wrote: > I hope you meant 30" wide rather than 30' wide. Anyone know how big a > 4/470 is? I am going to be getting a 4/670-714 soon. 4/670-714? I've never seen the "-714" nomenclature before. Might want to double-check that. Sun VME chassis Beige series x/x10: very narrow deskside or desktop box, 3 slot 9U VME x/x50: narrow deskside box, 6 slot 9U VME x/x60: deskside rollaround chassis, 12 slot 9U VME x/x80: rackmount cube chassis, 12 slot 9U VME, roughly 2'x2'x2', 2x 5.25: FH drive bays Purple series x/x30: narrow deskside box, 3 slot 9U VME, 2 slot 6U VME, two memory slots, two 5.25" FH drive bays x/x70: wide deskside box, 12 slot 9U VME, 4x 5.25" FH drive bays x/x90: tall rack, 16 slot 9U VME CPUs that work in these chassis M68K: 3/50, 3/60, 3/100, 3/110*, 3/200, 3/400 SPARC: 4/100, 4/200, 4/300, 4/400, 4/600 * = departure from standard numbering scheme -Dave McGuire

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VMS Timeline and more

by pechter＠ureach.com

---- On Sun, 8 Jul 2001, Zane H. Healy (healyzh(a)aracnet.com) wrote: > I was just poking around on the net, killing some time while watching > something I've got running at work, so I decided to see what I could dig > up > on VMS. Anyway I just found a *very* interesting page. > > http://www.danielcurran.com/vms/vms_hist.html > > It has release dates and major feature changes from V1 - V7.2. BTW, > for > those that don't know V7.3 was released a couple months ago. Anyway > it's > an interesting page. > > It looks like http://www.danielcurran.com/vms/ might be worth looking > through also. Such as http://www.danielcurran.com/vms/vms_hw.html > which > lists minimum OS versions for the various systems. > > Anyway I don't know who dug all this info up and created these pages, > but > they look to have a bunch of info I've been looking for, for a long > time. > > Zane > -- > | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | > | healyzh(a)aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | > | | Classic Computer Collector | Are you sure they're correct... I thought VAX/VMS had edt in v2.0 or 2.2 at the latest. Is he thinking of the port of EDT to native mode? I thought EVE TPU stuff came out in 3.x... Bill -- Bill Pechter Systems Administrator

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Snappy MacTV

by mikeford＠socal.rr.com

>Bad solder joint on the crt or power supply. > >JAG >>The display exhibits multiple problems; >> A nasty moire type pattern >> Crackling, shorting type sounds >> Display collapses with each crack, which occur several per second. >> >>So far I have booted the unit a couple times to be sure it wasn't some >>temporary condition, and tonight I swapped out the analog board with no >>change. >> >>Any ideas? I am thinking maybe the tube is hosed, but I am unfamiliar with >>this type of failure. Fortunately I have no shortage of 57x donor machines, >>but I don't want to swap the tube if it isn't a likely fix. It sure feels, smells more like a short than an open, but I will take another look. Plus I did swap the entire analog board including the tin can on the back of the CRT. What I may do next is pop off the back and power the unit up in a dark room tonight. BTW what do you mean exactly by bad solder joint on the CRT? *** update I took off the back and booted the system in a dark room just now, and the light show is all from the inside of the neck of the CRT. With the power off I don't "see" any damaged areas, but it sure was active with the power on, flashes, glowing areas that looked almost like embers, very sci fi. This must mean the CRT is toast right? or could something else cause this?(given the whole analog board was swapped out with no change).

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getting cards out of a Sparcserver 470

by owad＠applefritter.com

What's the proper way of removing cards from a Sparcserver 470? I thought you just pushed out on those plastic tabs and the card would disconnect and could then be pulled out. They're not budging and I even broke one of those plastic tabs trying to get them out. Am I doing something wrong? Any other way to get the things out of there? Tom Applefritter www.applefritter.com

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Ripping Apart Old Computers

by MTPro＠aol.com

<< From: Jim Davis <jimdavis(a)gorge.net> Subject: Re: Off Topic Crap - Stop It Now! Bwahahaha, This from someone who rips apart computers for wall hangings and office trophies, then spams his "products" on multiple newsgroups. Piss off AOL boy. >> Everyone, just to clarify, I have never torn apart any computer. I have about a dozen and a half original Mac logic boards which I have sourced over the years from smalltime and major Apple dealers. All were sold to me as specifically inoperable or in an unknown operational condition. So far, I have only framed a few of them and sold them as historical computer art. The original Mac logic board is a nice example of an integrated board which contains all of the main components of the personal computer - cpu, RAM, ROM, disk controllers, other I/O, etc. I will be selling a few of these at the VCF East and they may or may not go over. I see no problem with this, some of you may. But, either way, I have more respect for older computers than to destroy them. I use AOL. But, let's say I also choose to be a Catholic. Let's say I choose to drive a Ford. Let's say I like the Washington Redskins. For anyone who thought that Jim's comments were appropriate, I'll help you out: Piss off Catholic boy! Piss off Ford boy! Piss off Redskin's boy! This kind of prejudice is not funny. And, prejudice is prejudice, even if directed at personal choices versus attributes born with. Thank you, David

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Wanted : SCSI 9-track tape unit

by stefan＠softhome.net

Hi fellow collectors, Does anybody have a SCSI 9-track tape unit they would be willing to part with ? I prefer as close to The Netherlands as possible but any offers are welcome. Thanks. Stefan Mansier.

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OT oil shortage was: Celebration (Not intended to be off ensive, possible humor)

by cmcmanis＠mcmanis.com

> That's great. That's exact the kind of inventiveness that is needed > to solve the energy crisis. However I think you'll agree that it would > be rediculous to require that ALL cars run on chip oil. To Chad and others, yes this is the same oil used to fry french fries at McDonalds etc. And yes you can run your diesel engine on it. Diesels will burn most anything that can be flowed through them. A friend of mine did this (put a combination of vegetable oil and a thinner) into his car when he went in for his California emissions check. Since vegetable oil breaks down into slightly different components he really confused the guys but he passed! Building a methanol digester is probably the best. --Chuck

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Denver Finds -- still avail

by mauger＠senet.com.au

Hi, I'm interested in finding someone who might have experience in downloading data from an old NEC APC to a current Pentium machine. Alan Mauger mauger(a)senet.com.au

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DC-30 tape ??

by kristiehahn＠hotmail.com

DO YOU STILL HAVE THEM???

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SGI Indy2

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jul 8, 18:59, geoffr wrote: > Wht is one worth? (roughly) A lot, because it would be unique. I think you mean an Indigo2 :-) There are Indigos, Indigo2s, and Indys, but no Indy2. The value will depend on the graphics option(s), the processor, and to a lesser extent on the memory and the disks. I bought a low-spec one a few months ago for ?50, without keyboard, disk, or drive sled. One with the fanciest graphics and a fast processor could outperform most PCs for some types of 3D work, and would be worth 5-10 times as much as mine. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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HP Exemplar (excuse me!)

by ndiablo＠diablonet.net

As someone probably noticed already, the HP/Convex Exemplar series of machines were actually SMP, rather than MPP, supercomputers. My apologies! Another aside, if anyone was curious, the name of that proprietary UNIX that they ran was SPP-UX. --Sean Caron (root(a)diablonet.net) | http://www.diablonet.net

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OT oil shortage was: Celebration (Not intended to be of f ensive, possible humor)

by David.Neal＠ubsw.com

very true, fossil oil will remain the dominant fuel for the forseeable ( until the end of my lifetime anyway ) future. However, if you've got a couple of acres ( not yet ) or live in the middle of a couple of chip fat users ( I do ) it is possible to a - actually do something for the environment whilst still having a life with the outside world. b - live a damn site more cheaply than previously ( we're also looking into oil fired heating/cooking ). c - stuff the UK government for the tax ( which is pretty bad over here in the UK ). You're also right about it not being viable to demand every car to run on old chip fat. Granted and very true. I'm just lucky enough to have stumbled accross the receipe, be dumb enough to give it a bash ( wife wondered for around a week what the smell was before I told her ) and have some local shops be prepared to let me have their 'waste'. It's also helping them reduce their costs ( they don't have to pay for the oil to be taken away ). Finally, and I don't want this to turn into a great big 'green' rave ( this *is* classic computing after all ), I can't see any issue with using bioD is any form. If it drives up the demand for oil based plants ( and I guess this goes the same for wood and ethanol ( right one ? ) ), then more places will grow it. If more places grow it there will be more of the carbon sinks the US are so fond of touting as their reason not to ratify the Kyoto thingie ( falme war ahead, beware ). As someone who is now quite happily self suff. in transport fuel and hopefully domestic fuel shortly, it doesn't bother me whether other people take up bioD. I wish they would as I think it would be a better idea than drilling more holes in the only place we've got. Mmmm, said too much already, I can hear the white coats being unrapped as we speak ;-) Anyway, about this VAX I've got ...... Have fun D -----Original Message----- From: rigdonj Sent: 09 July 2001 16:00 To: classiccmp Cc: rigdonj Subject: RE: Re: OT oil shortage was: Celebration (Not intended to be off ensive, possible humor) At 02:57 PM 7/9/01 +0100, David wrote: >bit out of my field, but there's no reason we can't run cars' on >biodiesel. Renewable fuel source with fewer pollutants. I'm currently >running my Peugeot on recycled chip fat oil, which I get free from the >local chippie ( they have to pay for theirs to be removed as it's an >'industrial waste' and hence were more than happy for some bod to come >along a offer to take it away for free ). That's great. That's exact the kind of inventiveness that is needed to solve the energy crisis. However I think you'll agree that it would be rediculous to require that ALL cars run on chip oil. There simply isn't enough of it around. That's the same problem with alcohol, there isn't enough for it to be a viable fuel source. Yes, we could make more but at what price and with what kind of sacrifices? (more grain used to produce alcohol = less grain for food producton = higher food prices). Like it or not, gasoline will remain the major fuel source for the forseeable future. Joe Visit our website at http://www.ubswarburg.com This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard-copy version. This message is provided for informational purposes and should not be construed as a solicitation or offer to buy or sell any securities or related financial instruments.

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HP Exemplar

by ndiablo＠diablonet.net

The Exemplar was a MPP supercomputer based upon the PA-RISC chip produced by Convex, which is now owned by HP. It ran a proprietary version of UNIX. It's probably not the rarest thing in the world, but I wouldn't mind having one around. How often do you get the chance to have a supercomputer around the house? :) --Sean Caron (root(a)diablonet.net) | http://www.diablonet.net

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Best ways to drive a Tektronix terminal?

by Innfogra＠aol.com

What model George? Your description fits many of the Tek monsters, but I think the earliest is the 4010 IIRC. This would be a great terminal to save, there are few now. Most all Tek terminals used a serial port and 4010 graphics I think. My books are still packed away from the move. Paxton Astoria, Oregon

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OT oil shortage was: Celebration (Not intended to be off ensive, possible humor)

by David.Neal＠ubsw.com

bit out of my field, but there's no reason we can't run cars' on biodiesel. Renewable fuel source with fewer pollutants. I'm currently running my Peugeot on recycled chip fat oil, which I get free from the local chippie ( they have to pay for theirs to be removed as it's an 'industrial waste' and hence were more than happy for some bod to come along a offer to take it away for free ). Cheers D -----Original Message----- From: rigdonj Sent: 09 July 2001 14:25 To: classiccmp Cc: rigdonj Subject: Re: OT oil shortage was: Celebration (Not intended to be offensive, possible humor) Sorry for continuing this thread but I couldn't let this one pass! At 03:00 PM 7/8/01 -0400, Chad wrote: >Joe, > >I originally meant to send this a few days ago. I wrote it off-line and >it has been sitting in my out-box, but here goes :-) > >I don't think "crisis" is quite accurate. The oil industry has had >several refineries burn, and who knows, maybe some of them are old or >undersize. I think you need to do your home work. The oil companies have been shutting down refineries. They've shutdown almost 30% of the refineries in this country in the last ten years. > They may need to build more. or rebuild burned ones. The >electricity problems comes from growing and growing use, without >appropriate updates on the power system. That's very true but the problems with the electrical power industry are due to a shortage of generating stations (particularly in California) and has NOTHING to do with oil refinery capacity or any supposed oil shortage. >Drilling in new locations isn't supposed to increase refinery capacity. >It is part of a longer range solution. Horseshit! They're closing down wells everyday and have been for years! Take a drive through Lousianna sometime! I was in Alaska a couple of years ago and toured nearly the full length of the Alaskan pipeline. Even it's only running at about 40% of it's capacity. The only reason that they want to drill in ANWAR and GOM is because the oil companies want a CHEAPER source of oil so they can increase their already record profits! That's the same reason that the US continues to import oil from the middle east. Even with their price increases it's still cheaper to buy their oil than it is to produce our own. If the government is serious about a "long range solutions" then they should mandate that ALL cars achive 30mpg by say 2006, then raise it to 35mpg by 2011, then 40 mpg by 2016, etc until we achive the best practicle mileage. 50 mpg is very possible, a number of standard production cars have already achived it. That's only one step, there are hundreds if not thousands of other practicle solutions. Another solution would be to mandate solar hot water heaters in all homes. I have one in my home and it's been my only source of hot water for over 15 years and I've never run out of hot water. > Drilling in new locations is >something a lot of countries are doing. Sure, because they all want to be independent of foreign sources and because it's a huge source of revenue. > Drilling in the North Sea is >being done now, or maybe deeper water than normal..... I don't recall. >I have seen a show on Discovery or TLC about the building of the >platform. It was a huge engineering feat the way they built it. Yes, the engineering is impressive but again that has nothing to do with the "nessesicity" for drilling in ANWAR or GOM. >Personally, I'd like to see a move away from oil, not totally, but maybe >a diversification. I'd like to see cars powered by grain alcohol, >although I admit, I don't really know any specifics. I know a good bit about alcohol powered vehicles, I've been experimenting with them since the late 60s. Alcohol is not nearly as powerfull, cost effective or as efficient as gasoline. Alcohol also has major incompatibilities with the components of automotive fuel systems. A number of companies have tried selling gasoline with alcohol added but AFIK they're all dropped it due to the cost, performance and other problems. > Something might >have to be done about people drinking the contents of ones gas tank :-) That would cure the population problem! Nearly all of the alcohol sold in this country, including that used in fuel, is either nearly pure methyl alcohol or has methyl alcohol, formaldahyde or other poisons added to it to "de-nature" it. "De-natured" is a polite way of saying that it's poisonous! The government requires that expressly so that people won't be able to drink it. Let's burn gasoline in our cars (at least till something better comes along) and save the grain alcohol for drinking! Joe Visit our website at http://www.ubswarburg.com This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard-copy version. This message is provided for informational purposes and should not be construed as a solicitation or offer to buy or sell any securities or related financial instruments.

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HP Exemplar

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

Um, I guess that depends on if you like supercomputers or not... So personally, I'd say you missed out.. Will J _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

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Fwd: A Few Good Lessons was:Re: OT: Stupid discussions about Dick's silly ideas

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

On Sun, 8 Jul 2001, Richard Erlacher wrote: On Sun, 8 Jul 2001, Sellam wrote: On Sun, 8 Jul 2001, Richard Erlacher wrote: On Sun, 8 Jul 2001, Sellam wrote: OK it's time to stop this pointless bickering. Here's something else to think about. I particularly like the one at the end of the lesson. Joe >Lesson Number One >A crow was sitting on a tree, doing nothing all day. A small rabbit saw >the crow, and asked him, "Can I also sit like you and do nothing all day >long?" The crow answered: "Sure, why not." So, the rabbit sat on the ground >below the crow, and rested. All of a sudden, a fox appeared, jumped on the >rabbit and ate it. >Management Lesson: To be sitting and doing nothing, you must be sitting >very, very high up. > >Lesson Number Two >A turkey was chatting with a bull. "I would love to be able to get to the >top of that tree," sighed the turkey, "but I haven't got the energy." "Well, >why don't you nibble on some of my droppings?" replied the bull. "They're >packed with Nutrients." The turkey pecked at a lump of dung and found that >it actually gave him enough strength to reach the first branch of the tree. >The next day, after eating some more dung, he reached the second branch. >Finally after a fourth night, there he was proudly perched at the top of the >Tree. Soon he was promptly spotted by a farmer, who shot the turkey out of >the tree. >Management Lesson: Bull crap might get you to the top, but it won't keep >you there. > >Lesson Number Three >When the body was first made, all the parts wanted to be Boss. The brain >said, "I should be Boss because I control the whole body's responses and >functions." The feet said, "We should be Boss as we carry the brain about >and get him to where he wants to go." The hands said, "We should be the Boss >because we do all the work and earn all the money." And so it went on and >on with the heart, the lungs and the eyes until finally the asshole spoke >up. All the parts laughed at the idea of the asshole being the Boss. So the >asshole went on strike, blocked itself up and refused to work. Within a >short time the eyes became crossed, the hands clenched, the feet twitched, >the heart and lungs began to panic and the brain fevered. Eventually they >all decided that the asshole should be the Boss, so the motion was passed. >All the other parts did all the work while the Boss just sat and passed out >the crap! >Management Lesson: You don't need brains to be a Boss - any asshole will >do. > >Lesson Number Four >A little bird was flying south for the winter. It was so cold, the bird >froze and fell to the ground in a large field. While it was lying there, a >cow came by and dropped some dung on it. As the frozen bird lay there in >the pile of cow dung, it began to realize how warm it was. The dung was >actually thawing him out! He lay there all warm and happy, and soon began to >sing for joy. A passing cat heard the bird singing and came to >investigate. Following the sound, the cat discovered the bird under the >pile of cow dung, and promptly dug him out and ate him! >Management Lesson: >1) Not everyone who craps on you is your enemy. >2) Not everyone who gets you out of crap is your friend. >3) And when you're in deep doodoo, keep your mouth shut! > >END OF LESSON! > >Sometimes a majority means that all the fools are on one side.

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