- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by Antonio.Carlini＠riverstonenet.com

Ethan Dicks wrote: >Has anyone here successfully done this? I have the VAXen, I have a ROM >burner, I have the patches and I have a complete 32-bit file with the >patches applied. My uVAX-2000s are so old that I cannot apply the patch >to what I have. My problem is that I have four ROMs and am not sure which >ROM goes in which socket. Does anyone have a map of which sockets >correspond to which bytes? The ROMs go like this: 31...24 23...16 15...8 7...0 --- jump code --------------- 2004.0000 SYS_TYPE (0400.0000) 2004.0004 VERS VERS VERS VERS 2004.0008 (same in each EPROM) 0x03 0x02 0x01 0x00 2004.000C Sadly I don't have a printset so I cannot pin it down much better than this. The chances are high that the ROMs go in order with the Exx numbers assigned to each slot, so you only have to decide increasing or decreasing order. Normally I would whip the top off a machine and just tell you which ones go where but this is a uv2000 we are talking about here ... :-) Antonio

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Using Applesoft BASIC... :)

by bpope＠wordstock.com

Here are a few links for those who may need to brush up on their Apple IIc Applesoft Basic programming skills... ;-D You know who you are!! http://www.apple2.org/faq/FAQ.applesoft.html It will even show you how to access text files from within Basic! Cool beans, eh?!! :) Enjoy! Bryan Pope

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I'm *ALSO* new to this list!

by marino13＠btinternet.com

Lucky person! I only ever "rented" a Veccy from a local electronics shop for a few days at a time, me being a devout G7000/Odyssey owner at the time (and heavily into LCD handhelds/tabletops - as am I still!). Keeping your original machine is SO much more rewarding I think - getting something back that you loved as a kid but sold is cool, but digging your ACTUAL machine from the loft is way better. I still kept my original "Ball" Nintendo Game n Watch (the first on out of the series) so thats pretty special to me. And my first ever Pong! The Lightpen and Imager (and the art cart) are really sought after - look after and enjoy!!! Shaun > > On Thu, 26 Jul 2001 19:38:34 0100 Shaun Stephenson > <marino13(a)btinternet.com> wrote: > > > I'm not normally interested in games, but the Vectrex is one console I > > > spent real money on. Reason ? It's got the right CPU (68A09) and a vector > > > display. Vector displays are fun... > > > > Bloody great machine and in good nick the screen is incredible. > > Wish I had one boxed > > :( > > I have a boxed Vectrex that I bought from Hamleys (big > London toy-shop, in Regents Street) in 1984 for 50 quid. > I went down there on the back of a friend's motorbike, and > carried the Vectrex home the same way. Still works, and I > have the light pen and most of the games and overlays. I > know someone who has the 3D Imager, too! > > -- > John Honniball > Email: John.Honniball(a)uwe.ac.uk > University of the West of England >

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M2333 and M2382 drive questions

by rdd＠smart.net

Greetings, Yesterday, thanks to Tim Shoppa, I collected some 8" SMD drives: a couple of Fujitsu M2333 (337MB) and M2382 (1GB each!) drives and an Emulex SC03 controller. Its my understanding that I might not be able to use these large drives with an SCO2 or SC03 controller, so, I'm wondering what I need in order to use them with a PDP-11/73. -- Copyright (C) 2001 R. D. Davis The difference between humans & other animals: All Rights Reserved an unnatural belief that we're above Nature & rdd(a)rddavis.net 410-744-4900 her other creatures, using dogma to justify such http://www.rddavis.net beliefs and to justify much human cruelty.

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VMS setup

by Alan.Pearson＠cramersystems.com

I'm looking around for a VMS setup at the moment, but space is tight(as always!). Can anyone offer suggestions for a smallish (desktop/under desk) machine that's suitable for running VMS on? My only experience with VMS is 10+ years ago, version 4.something I think. It ran on an 11/780 cluster, kind of out of my league :-) Any suggestions, pointers to websites etc? TIA Al.

25 years, 2 months

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Whats you oldest computer

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 7/29/2001 11:46:32 PM Central Daylight Time, ljcst18+(a)pitt.edu writes: > Hello All, > > I was just curious to know what was the oldest computer any of you > own. The oldest one I actually own is an apple II+ (1978?) and the oldest > one I am restoring is a HP 2114B circa 1969. > > Let's see. I've got an OSI C1P, an H-89A and TRS80 model 1 with and without built in keypad. I don't know which one is the oldest though.

25 years, 2 months

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Whats you oldest computer

by aknight＠mindspring.com

Depending on your definitions, the oldest computer I have is a Mathatronics Mathatron model 4-24, serial number 00133, circa 1964. While this machine only deals with numbers, it has multiple storage registers, is programmable, and can do decision-based branching. It also had Input/Output capability. I also have a Mathatron model 8-48, which dates from 1965 (it has more memory). I've been in touch with one of the designers and the design dates from 1963. Unfortunately, neither of my machines is functional. Read all about it on the Desktop Calculators section of my webiste at http://www.calcmuseum.com The oldest full-blown computer I have is a HP2100S. classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org wrote: > Hello All, I was just curious to know what was the oldest computer any of you own.

25 years, 2 months

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Bought for $3 - MPX16 plus needs

by rcini＠optonline.net

Hello, all: Well, VCFE wasn't so bad :-) I bought a Ciarica/Byte MXP16 8088-based PC-clone motherboard which was the subject of a series of articles in Byte in late 1982 and early 1983. I have the first two parts of the series (11/82 and 12/82), but I'm missing the 1/83 issue and possibly later (I don't know how many issues the article ran). For 1983, I only have beginning in July. If anyone has the remaining issues (except Sam -- based on the photos shown at VCFE, I'm sure that he couldn't find them :-)) containing articles, please contact me off-list. Thanks a lot. Rich Rich Cini Collector of classic computers Build Master for the Altair32 Emulation Project Web site: http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/classiccmp/ /************************************************************/

25 years, 2 months

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Hackers: Computer Outlaws revisited

by steven_j_robertson＠hotmail.com

>But all that aside, see my previous message: security, physical or >virtual, is YOUR responsiblity. If you don't want anyone coming into your >house or your server, LOCK THEM UP! Did they still get in? You didn't >use good enough locks. Try again. OH... I see... The victim has primary responsiblity for the crime. I must admit, I do agree with your statement "LOCK THEM UP". But it's not the house or the server that shuold be locked up, it's the CRIMINALS! SteveRob _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

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(fwd) TOPS/SUN Flashbox and Flashcard

by bill_r＠inetnebr.com

If you can help this guy out, please respond directly to him. On Fri, 27 Jul 2001 16:37:56 -0400, "Frederick Scholl" <freds(a)monarch-info.com> wrote: >Hi, Do you know where I can obtain products made by TOPS, a SUN subsidiary. They made the Flashbox and Flashcard, products used for interconnecting macs and pcs. They were popular around 1991. > >Regards, Fred Scholl Bill Richman bill_r(a)inetnebr.com http://incolor.inetnebr.com/bill_r Home of Fun with Molten Metal, technological oddities, and the original COSMAC Elf computer simulator!

25 years, 2 months

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altair 8800

by kapteynr＠cboe.com

Herb Johnson has a library of all of the Altair docs on the internet. http://njcc.com/~hjohnson/s100.html I also have all of the original manuals that came with the kit. Interesting S100 add-on cards are getting to be very difficult to find. Please, when you get the computer, DO NOT power it up if it has off for more than ten years. Search the classic computer archive for instructions on bringing it back to life safely. -Rob -----Original Message----- From: Hans Franke [SMTP:Hans.Franke@mch20.sbs.de] Sent: Monday, July 30, 2001 7:02 AM To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: altair 8800 > A friend is getting one from his father, who got it around the end of > 1975. He asked me about sources for manuals and documentation, plus > sources for boards to upgrade the system. Further questioning revealed > that he wont get the unit until he travels back to visit the parents, :)) Well, since I will visit various places during the next 7 weeks, I may offer my help to pick it up for free !... Am I a nice guy ? Ciao Hans -- VCF Europa 3.0 am 27./28. April 2002 in Muenchen http://www.vcfe.org/

25 years, 2 months

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VMS setup

by jeff.kaneko＠juno.com

On Mon, 30 Jul 2001 09:12:24 -0500 (CDT) Eric Dittman <dittman(a)dittman.net> writes: > > The VAXstation-3100 family make nice desktop VMS machines. They're > > quite affordable, even on eBay. > > If space is real tight, the VAXstation 4000/VLC would be a good > choice, too. I know where I can get a bunch of those, too. Jeff ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

25 years, 2 months

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Font used in d|i|g|i|t|a|l logo?

by RCini＠congressfinancial.com

Cameron: I can check tonight. I did a PDP logo by hand for my Web site using MS Paint. It's a sans serif font, but not Arial or Helvetica. It's not Lucida, either. Now, I don't know if this is the actual name of the font used (if you ask a DEC person), but it's indistinguishable. Rich ========================== Richard A. Cini, Jr. Congress Financial Corporation 1133 Avenue of the Americas 30th Floor New York, NY 10036 (212) 545-4402 (212) 840-6259 (facsimile) -----Original Message----- From: Cameron Kaiser [mailto:spectre@stockholm.ptloma.edu] Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2001 12:57 AM To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: Font used in d|i|g|i|t|a|l logo? > Anybody know the font used in the d|i|g|i|t|a|l logo, and > on the old pdp logos and rack header plates? The PDP plates and logos, dunno, but I'm pretty sure the digital logo was Futura or some analogue. -- ----------------------------- personal page: http://www.armory.com/~spectre/ -- Cameron Kaiser, Point Loma Nazarene University * ckaiser(a)stockholm.ptloma.edu -- Gravity is a myth. The Earth just sucks. -----------------------------------

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Font used in d|i|g|i|t|a|l logo?

by RCini＠congressfinancial.com

Bill: When I did my rendition of the logo, I used a stock TrueType Font. I just can't remember the name right now. It's not a base Windows font and it didn't come with MS Word. Rich -----Original Message----- From: Bill Pechter [mailto:pechter@bg-tc-ppp471.monmouth.com] Sent: Monday, July 30, 2001 10:09 AM To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: Font used in d|i|g|i|t|a|l logo? > Cameron: > > I can check tonight. I did a PDP logo by hand for my Web site using > MS Paint. It's a sans serif font, but not Arial or Helvetica. It's not > Lucida, either. > > Now, I don't know if this is the actual name of the font used (if > you ask a DEC person), but it's indistinguishable. > > Rich IIRC -- it's a modified Helvetica... The original was pretty much a kind of wood-cut block thing that looked more like Futura then Helvetica. Then came the blue helvetica thing with the squarish dots on the i's. Then they paid big money for the maroon move and rounted i's. Bill --- Bill Gates is a Persian cat and a monocle away from being a villain in a James Bond movie -- Dennis Miller bpechter@shell.monmouth.com|pechter@pechter.dyndns.org

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VMS setup

by dittman＠dittman.net

> > I'm looking around for a VMS setup at the moment, but space is tight(as > > always!). Can anyone offer suggestions for a smallish (desktop/under desk) > > machine that's suitable for running VMS on? My only experience with VMS is > > 10+ years ago, version 4.something I think. It ran on an 11/780 cluster, > > kind of out of my league :-) Any suggestions, pointers to websites etc? > > The VAXstation-3100 family make nice desktop VMS machines. They're > quite affordable, even on eBay. If space is real tight, the VAXstation 4000/VLC would be a good choice, too. -- Eric Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net

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Ethernet -- thicknet and thinnet before 10BaseT

by Antonio.Carlini＠riverstonenet.com

> I'm wondering how long it is before DECnet and Appletalk fail to work > on some modern networks because of the smart switches screwing up. > Nowadays it almost seems they expect everything to be all TCP/IP. I've seen it happen already (although that was an 802.3 vs Ethernet II issue, and the later rev of the h/w was fixed). But you are right, noone tests against anything other than IP(v4) and noone designs new protocols that easily accomodate anything that is not IP. Antonio

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altair 8800

by lemay＠cs.umn.edu

Dumb question, but what might an Altair 8800 be worth these days? A friend is getting one from his father, who got it around the end of 1975. He asked me about sources for manuals and documentation, plus sources for boards to upgrade the system. Further questioning revealed that he wont get the unit until he travels back to visit the parents, and that the unit apparently has a 256 byte memory. This small scrap of information leads me to think this could be an original kit built system, with the original memory and probably hasnt been upgraded. If so, it could be a very dumb thing if someone who is clueless decided to upgrade this system, when he may actually have quite the collectors item in original condition on his hands... I'll pass along any information, or sources of documentation or scanned in manuals, that anyone can provide. -Lawrence LeMay lemay(a)cs.umn.edu

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Whats you oldest computer

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Hello All, > > I was just curious to know what was the oldest computer any of you > own. The oldest one I actually own is an apple II+ (1978?) and the oldest > one I am restoring is a HP 2114B circa 1969. Processor Technology SOL, built by me, 1976 through 1978 (it was usable by sometime in 1977). -dq

25 years, 2 months

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VAX 11/750 info

by mrbill＠mrbill.net

Anybody know what the power requirements for an 11/750 (base unit) are? I've got a chance to get two of them for cost of freight... Bill -- Bill Bradford mrbill(a)mrbill.net Austin, TX

25 years, 2 months

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VMS setup

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On July 30, Alan Pearson wrote: > I'm looking around for a VMS setup at the moment, but space is tight(as > always!). Can anyone offer suggestions for a smallish (desktop/under desk) > machine that's suitable for running VMS on? My only experience with VMS is > 10+ years ago, version 4.something I think. It ran on an 11/780 cluster, > kind of out of my league :-) Any suggestions, pointers to websites etc? The VAXstation-3100 family make nice desktop VMS machines. They're quite affordable, even on eBay. -Dave -- Dave McGuire Laurel, MD

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Font used in d|i|g|i|t|a|l logo?

by Antonio.Carlini＠riverstonenet.com

If you look at (almost?) any document produced by Digital in PostScript format, somewhere near the beginning you should find the part that does the Digital logo. Usually there is a long comment describing who designed it, when it was done and how it should (and should not) be used. At some late stage in its life, Digital decided to revamp the logo. For a mere $500K (or thereabouts IIRC) a consultancy recommended some major changes. The round dot is the most noticeable. For $400K I would have been happy to provide equally valuable advice ... as usual I was in the wrong place at the wrong time :-) Antonio

25 years, 2 months

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available: Q-bus SCSI controller

by wrking＠dadaboom.com

I have a Distributed Logic Corp, SQ716A Rev J, differential (high voltage) Q-Bus SCSI disk controller that I'm willing to part with. I've tested it by booting into it's internal monitor on a uVAX (and that works), but I don't have a differential SCSI disk to test it with, so I guess it's as-is. Things I'd be willing to trade for (all or part). 1.) One each, RL02 unit select plugs 2 and 3. 2.) DEC BA123 cabinet kit for a RLV21 (RL01/RL02) disk controller. 3.) Rear rack mounting brackets for a DEC BA23 (5.25 inch rack mount uVaxII chassis). I have the two long side rails, but there is a small bracket which attaches each side rail to the rear mounting bracket in the rack cabinet. 4.) Some number of RL02 packs. Let me know if you are interested... Bill

25 years, 2 months

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building a PDP11 from the things you find at home

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

> > > just how much has been lost to time in the onslaught of Microsoft and Unix > > > > Lots... What do you think about a UNIX-AOS/VS-VMS-MPE-Guardian hybrid? > > I've thought about this, myself. Almost any new OS wants to work like Unix. > What I'd like to see is a community effort to make a new OS that does what > needs to be done without worrying about being compatible with something that > currently exists. Start off with a list of all the good things in different > operating systems, then implement them in a way that works well. Sure, it > may not have a lot of software available, but so what? The fun will be in > developing something that is well-designed, well-implemented, and solid. Take a look at http://www.adaos.org/ for something different. Of course you'd better like Ada, and it's only in the design stages as far as I can tell, and the people working on it seem to be wondering where on earth the person that thought this up has disappeared to. I think I've run across a couple other such projects, one of the tricks is finding them that are running on x86 (or any other semi modern hardware), the other is finding one that isn't trying to be POSIX compliant. Zane

25 years, 2 months

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OT: Microsoft worm rumored to halt the internet

by rdd＠smart.net

Tonight I heard something interesting on the radio: there's a new Micro$oft worm loose---no, I'm not referring to {\em the} Microsoft worm, Bill Gate$, but to a worm that's supposed to wreak havoc with most Microsoft systems connected to the 'net by Tuesday. Supposedly the Nut^H^H^HWhite House and the Pentagon are on alert over this. ROFL! This should finally convince people to stop using Microsoft products, although I'll bet it won't, alas. -- Copyright (C) 2001 R. D. Davis The difference between humans & other animals: All Rights Reserved an unnatural belief that we're above Nature & rdd(a)rddavis.net 410-744-4900 her other creatures, using dogma to justify such http://www.rddavis.net beliefs and to justify much human cruelty.

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VAX 11/750 info

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On July 29, Ethan Dicks wrote: > > --- Bill Pechter <pechter(a)bg-tc-ppp1689.monmouth.com> wrote: > > And before that a ton of 4116's... > > > > MS750 was the same as MK11 memory for the 11/70. > > (Actually, I thought the MK was originally designed for the 11/74). > > I have a couple of 11/70s here, each with 4Mb memory cabinets in an > attached rack. As far as I can tell, it's 16 x 256Kb boards. Was > there a memory controller for the /70 that could handle 1Mb boards? D-d-d-dddDRROOOOOLLL!! -Dave -- Dave McGuire Laurel, MD

25 years, 2 months

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OT: Microsoft worm rumored to halt the internet

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On July 30, R. D. Davis wrote: > > > Micro$oft worm loose---no, I'm not referring to {\em the} Microsoft > > > worm, Bill Gate$, but to a worm that's supposed to wreak havoc with > > ^ > > Come on, if you're going to go to the effort of using LaTeX in an email > > message, you might as well do it properly. (; > > Micro\$oft worm loose---no, I'm not referring to {\em the} Microsoft > worm, Bill Gate\$, but to a worm that's supposed to wreak havoc with > > Ok, I've fixed the errors. Thanks. ;-) Geeks. ;) -Dave -- Dave McGuire Laurel, MD

25 years, 2 months

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Seeking instructions for setting up a MAG MX17 monitor

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

I got this 17" monitor from the local uni surplus recently. What caught my attention (besides the $10 price) was that it had an HD-15 VGA connector, a Macintosh 15-pin connector *and* BNCs, and a 2-line LCD display on the front. I figured it was worth the risk since with no cable attached, I couldn't test it there. It passed the crackle-hum test on the bench and I brought it home. Random button poking does not seem to be a useful way of guiding it through setup. There's a row of 8 numbered buttons (also labelled for changing width and position) and a menu button. Additionally, there is a toggle switch on the front for "BNC" vs. "DSUB" and for "user settings" vs "presets" I can get a stable picture of a laptop in its BIOS setup after a fashion, but it's only when I'm in the middle of certain operations on the monitor frontpanel. I can't get it to stick. The monitor LCD says that it's 640x480 @ 70Hz. If I get to the Phoenix spash screen telling me nifty things about the innards of the laptop prior to booting the disk, the MX17 tells me that the sync is "SuperVGA 800x600 @ 60Hz" which I guess makes sense even though it's a 80x25 character display because the laptop is nominally 800x600 unless you hit "Fn FONT" to kick it down to non-stretched pixels occupying 75% of the entire screen. It also matters if the CRT/LCD mode is one or both; that seems to affect what the external scan rate is (also not unexpected from earlier fiddlings with Solaris on this laptop - it was a bear getting the settings right for X on the LCD). So... ramblings aside, I'm looking for a setup guide for how to tell the monitor what to expect is coming in. It has 8 user-definable modes and I can't figure out how to tell it what the definitions are. I did a quick Google search and only came up with reseller sites and a couple quick mentions in an SGI Indy FAQ and a mega list of what scan rates are supported by which monitors for XF86 - less than 50 hits on MX17 in all. Thanks, -ethan ===== Visit "The Seventh Continent" http://penguincentral.com/penguincentral.html __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/

25 years, 2 months

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M2333 and M2382 drive questions

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

>Yesterday, thanks to Tim Shoppa, I collected some 8" SMD drives: a >couple of Fujitsu M2333 (337MB) and M2382 (1GB each!) drives and an >Emulex SC03 controller. Its my understanding that I might not be able >to use these large drives with an SCO2 or SC03 controller, so, I'm >wondering what I need in order to use them with a PDP-11/73. Bob - >From your description of your current SMD drive controller, it's probably an Emulex QD32 or QD33, in which case it ought to handle the newer M2333 and M2382 just fine. I think your first priority should be to figure out what you've currently got :-). The SC03 will handle a Fuji Eagle (with a few slight adjustments to take into account interleaving), but not anything with a faster data rate, unfortunately. Tim.

25 years, 2 months

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Denver area places

by dittman＠dittman.net

I'm in Denver for the week. Are there any good sources for classic computers (esp. DEC)? -- Eric Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net

25 years, 2 months

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BRATS hamfest...

by wh.sudbrink＠verizon.net

Well, I got up at 5am to go to this. Got there at 6 when the gates opened. Attendance was light, probably due to the impending rain. There was no rain at 6 and there were about 30 tailgaters. Not much of vintage interest, some Sun boxes here and there, a few old Macs and one guy with a couple of Atari boxes. Got what I thought was a good deal, 4 2Gig wide SCSI drives for $3 each. Unfortunately, now that I've got them home, I see that they are HVD. Does anyone have a PCI HVD SCSI controller that they might part with for a reasonable fee? Anyway, the rains came at about 7:15, some tarps and tents popped up, but a lot of guys just packed up at that point. Peeked inside the indoor space, which was to open at 8, looked like a run of the mill clone show with some radio vendors thrown in... so I called it a day. Oh well...

25 years, 2 months

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Mounting a SCSI Device in a BA-123

by tsmurphy＠addr8.addr.com

Has anybody ever mounted a SCSI device in a BA-123? 1. I tried to install a standard half-height 3.5" SCSI drive into a BA-123 system (MicroVAX II). Basically, I bought a little 3.5"->5.25" adapter, and then screwed the adaptor into the sliding base where an old RD-54 lived. I found the solution unsatisfactory; the adaptor's screw holes did not match up with the sliding base, and it generally feels fragile. Is there a better way? I am envisioning some sort of "cage" which has the form factor of a full-height 5.25" drive, with mount points for a 3.5" drive (or two). Does such a beast exist? 2. Has anybody ever installed a half-height internal CD-ROM (or tape drive) in a BA-123 system? This would be really sweet (sure beats an external one!), but would it mount nicely, and would it be possible to cover up the half which isn't being used with a nice faceplate? 3. Is there a decent internal SCSI cable which can be used in a BA-123? I only have a couple of boards in the system, so my SCSI controller is all the way in the front of the backplane (back of the system), far from the disks, and just barely reaches the disks. Is it possible to get one with some slack, and still have several disk connectors? Thanks, Terry

25 years, 2 months

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OT: Humor Moving to Florida -- VERY FUNNY!!!

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

For any of you that wanted to know what's it's like to live in Florida! >FLORIDA > >For anyone who has ever lived or visited Florida, this is HILARIOUS ! > >Subject: : Moving to Florida > >April 30th: >Florida is fantastic! Just got here and love it already. Now this is a >state that knows how to live!! Beautiful sunny days and warm balmy >evenings. What a place! Watched the sunset from a park lying on a >blanket. It was beautiful. I've finally found my home. I love it here. > >May 14th: >Really heating up. Got to 89 today. Not a problem, I live in an >air-conditioned home and drive an air-conditioned car. What a pleasure to >see the sun every day like this. I'm turning into a real sun worshipper. > >June 5th: >Had the backyard landscaped with tropical plants today. Lots of palms and >rocks. What a breeze to maintain. No more mowing for me. NO MORE >SHOVELING SNOW EITHER! Another scorcher today, but I love it here. > >July 1st: >The temperature hasn't been below 90 all week, not even at night. Where are >those ocean breezes we heard about, still seems hot. Getting used to it >will take a while, I guess. I sure miss my LP collection, though. I'll >have to remember not to leave anything made out of plastic in my car. Got >one of those fuzzy steering wheel covers, cheaper than the burn ointment for >my hands. I always wondered what burnt flesh smelled like. > >July 15th: >Fell asleep by the pool. (Got 3rd degree burns over 60% of my body.) Missed >two days of work, what a dumb thing to do. I learned my lesson though: got >to respect the ol' sun in a climate like this. > >July 20th: >I miss our cat, Tabby. He snuck into the car when I left this morning. By >the time I got out to the hot car for lunch, he'd swollen up to the size of >a shopping bag and just as I opened the door he exploded all over $2,000 >worth of leather upholstery. I told the kids he ran away. The car now >smells like Kibbles and poop. No more pets in this heat! > >July 25th: >Ocean breezes, my ass. Hot is hot!! The home air conditioner is on the >fritz and AC repairman charged $200 just to drive by and tell me he needed >to order parts. Only hope for a break in the heat would be a hurricane. > >July 30th: >Been sleeping outside by the pool for three nights now. Swatting the swamp >mosquitoes that are as big as B-52's. $1,500 in darn house payments and we >can't even go inside. Why did I ever come here? > >Aug 4th: >100 degrees. Finally got the air conditioner fixed today. It cost $500 and >gets the temperature down to about 90. The electric bill is almost as much >as the house payment. And two old lady drivers almost ran me off the road. >I hate this state. > >Aug 8th: >If another wise jerk cracks, "Hot enough for you today?" I'm going to tear >his head off. Damn heat! By the time I get to work, the radiator is >boiling over, my clothes are soaking wet, and I smell like roasted >Garfield!! > >Aug 10th: >The weather report might as well be a damn recording: Hot and sunny. It's >been too hot for two #@*& months and the weatherman says it might really >warm up next week. And whoever came up with the statement, "it may be hot, >but at least you don't have to shovel it" should die from heat exhaustion. >Doesn't it ever rain in this Godforsaken place?? > >Aug 14th: >Welcome to Hell!!! Temperature got to 102 today. Forgot to crack the >window and blew the windshield out of the Lincoln. The installer came to >fix it and said, "Hot enough for you today?". My wife had to spend the >$1,500 house payment to bail me out of jail. > >Aug 30th: >Worst day of the summer. I'm not leaving the house. The monsoon rains >finally came and all they did is to make it muggier than hell and drove the >damned roaches out of the ground. I wasn't aware they could fly! The >Lincoln is now floating somewhere in the Caribbean with its new $500 >windshield. That does it, we're moving back to New York >where all you have to worry about is getting mugged. > >I hope this state breaks in half and floats to Cuba.

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Way OT: vacuum pumps

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

Hi folks. Apologies for the way off-topic message, but this is the gang with the most varied experience that I can think of. Does anyone know anything about, or have docs for, a Varian M200 oil diffusion pump? Specifically, I need to know if there's a way to check the oil level without removing the pump from the vacuum chamber. -Dave -- Dave McGuire Laurel, MD

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Free: DEC/PDP & Sun Stuff

by mrbill＠mrbill.net

FREE STUFF! For pickup (only) in Austin, TX. I'm available any night of the week after 6pm. PDP stuff still left: Two RX01 dual-8" floppy drives. David W. didnt have enough room in his van after the 11/60 and other stuff was loaded, so they're first-come, first-serve. Sun stuff: 4/690MP VME cardcage and blower 6 x 2.1gig 5.25" FH HVD SCSI HDs Lots of diff. external cables, etc 3 x rackmount drive "trays" w/power supplies 1 x holds the 6 drives above 2 x holds 3 1.3gig IPI drives 6 x 1200W power supplies for the VME cardcage (lots of extras!) Other stuff: Tons (6-7 at least) of older 386/486/K5-based motherboards, RAM, older CD-ROM drives, video cards, etc. Enough parts here to build at least 3-4 working systems, I'd say. I've also got a custom 486 in a Bell-logo'ed custom-built rackmount case that has/had windows 3.11 installed for some kind of CO switch management. The "rules": 1. No making any of this stuff into 'wall hangings'. Well, you can do that with the PC stuff, but not the Sun or DEC stuff. 8-) 2. You have to give it a good home or give it to someone else who will. 3. If I dont get any takers on the VME cardcage, someone who comes to get something else has to help me toss it into the giant construction dumpster in the front yard. I narrowly avoided certain Doom via Wife when David showed up to take some of the larger PDP stuff off my hands today. 8-) Email me if interested in anything. Bill -- Bill Bradford mrbill(a)mrbill.net Austin, TX

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IBM and pantyhose (was: Pocket protectors)

by rdd＠smart.net

On 29 Jul 2001, Iggy Drougge wrote: > Then again, IBM employees are supposed to wear pantyhose as well. > It's true! Hmmm, I wonder... does IBM have have any rules stating where employees are supposed to wear them, or do the rules just state that one is to wear them? There are multiple possibilities... over one's arms, head, around one's shoulders, in one's sportscoat pocket in place of a handkerchief, etc. Working at IBM must be rather interesting... the more rules, the more poorly defined rules there usually are which one can twist around to make the workplace environment more interesting. -- Copyright (C) 2001 R. D. Davis The difference between humans & other animals: All Rights Reserved an unnatural belief that we're above Nature & rdd(a)rddavis.net 410-744-4900 her other creatures, using dogma to justify such http://www.rddavis.net beliefs and to justify much human cruelty.

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A/UX

by dittman＠dittman.net

> >> >You forgot A/UX. > >> > >> Funny you should mention A/UX, I have my notebook full of original floppies > >> sitting here by my desk waiting to have them all imaged and put on a CDR. > >> Assuming all the floppies can be read, I plan to make a few extra CDRs. > > > >All my copies of A/UX came on CD. In fact, A/UX led me to buy my first > >CDROM drive. > > And all I ever saw it on was tape. I remember it being available at first on CD and tape, but I can't remember if it was offered on floppy. I seem to remember that the V3.x release was CD-only, but that could be my memory acting up. I remember the V3.x beta I had was the first CDR I had seen in person. -- Eric Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net

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M2333 and M2382 drive questions

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On July 29, R. D. Davis wrote: > Yesterday, thanks to Tim Shoppa, I collected some 8" SMD drives: a > couple of Fujitsu M2333 (337MB) and M2382 (1GB each!) drives and an > Emulex SC03 controller. Its my understanding that I might not be able > to use these large drives with an SCO2 or SC03 controller, so, I'm > wondering what I need in order to use them with a PDP-11/73. If you can find one, an Emulex QD32 or QD33 would be perfect for that application. And very fast. If you happen to get ahold of either, I have docs. -Dave -- Dave McGuire Laurel, MD

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OOPS

by mrbill＠mrbill.net

Sorry, that reply was supposed to go to a *different* list (sun-rescue). My mistake. Bill -- Bill Bradford mrbill(a)mrbill.net Austin, TX

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Free in DC area: Fuji SMD drives

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

>Those PerSci drives bring about $9 in scrap value if you sufficiently dismantle >them. That's about a buck more than the older Shugart drives, and two bucks or >so more than the newer, lighter 8" full-size drives of the late '80's. They all >have significant scrap value as "high-quality" aluminum. > >If you dismantle them, the stuff you take off the castings, heads, motors, >screws, solenoids, sensors, etc, becomes spare parts/hardware, while the >casting, which takes up most of the space gets recycled in a constructive way. >It's not a way to make money, but it reduces waste. The drives have been "self-dismantling" over the past couple of decades. In particular, the glue that holds the optical gratings has - in every case that I've seen - come undone. I've managed to make a few good PerSci's by combining parts from broken ones, at least. But they're amazingly complicated drives. (As well they should be, considering how much they cost back in the 70's - you could buy a brand new car for what 4 PerSci's cost.) Even on the broken ones there's a huge assortment of electromechanical parts still in place. How many other 8" floppy drives had motorized loading/ejecting? (I know that some Shugarts and NEC's had the option of ejecting via a solenoid, but I'm not counting solenoids here. And I'm certainly not counting the drives that would, if you loaded and unloaded the head often enough, vibrate so much that the door popped open! ) Tim.

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A few new finds

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

Picked up a Wavetek waveform generator model 159 yesterday at the thrift and it works great ($3.95). also picked 6 really nice mousepads for that part of the collection at the same thrift. Picked up some in the box 2600, Genesis, and Odyssey game cartridges from 80 cents to $2.99 each. I know they are not 10 years old yet but has anyone else notice the number of playstation one's at the thrift's lately ? They have been priced from 3.99 (console only) to 14.99 (complete systems). New games (unopened) have been $1 to $13 dollars at the thrift's here.

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HP external disk drives available

by ngk＠gis.net

Hello Joe, My name is Gene and I may not have responded to the right selection at the bottom of your add with yesterdays inquary. I'm interested in the HP 9122 you offered for sale. What is the cost and shipping to MA? Are the units fully operational? Thank you Gene

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New finds

by dlw＠trailingedge.com

It's been a good day. Picked up a couple of new items. One, I picked up an Atari Portfolio with spare 128k and 64k memory cards and the PC Card drive from someone in Germany in exchange for some DVDs I produce. It near mint condition it appears. Doc is in german but I can understand enough to get me through. Now to go hack some ATMs. :-) The other cool item was the first dual processor BeBox! First in this case as in the first one off the assembly line. Can't wait to get this home and hooked up. Of course I don't think that falls under the 10 year rule. ----- "What is, is what?" "When the mind is free of any thought or judgement, then and only then can we know things as they are." David Williams - Computer Packrat dlw(a)trailingedge.com http://www.trailingedge.com

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Pocket protectors Was: RE: Fun "events" for VCF

by rdd＠smart.net

On 29 Jul 2001, Iggy Drougge wrote: > Doug Coward skrev: > >Douglas Quebbeman <dhquebbeman(a)theestopinalgroup.com> said: > >> heh. the winner should be someone who manages to find a way > >> to wear both a t-sheet and a pocket protector... That's easy. Clip the pocket protector on with alligator clips attached to red and black wires... this will have the advantage or providing one with an emergency supply of spare test leads. :-) > > This just got me to thinking.... > > How did pocket protectors become associated with 'computer > >enthusiasts'? Ok, I see it's time for the Pocket Protectors 101 course... Since I wore one back in college during a time when I was taking a lot of math, science and electronics classes, I'll take a guess at answering this. Back then, math, engineering, electronics, etc. students were the most likely students to be computer hackers. Such students have a need to carry a wide variety of pencils and pens, etc. in their shirt pockets; for example, I typically had fine and extra fine point Scripto (?) "click" pencils (press on the little chrome tab that holds the eraser and more lead comes out), a retractable erasor, a couple of different pens and perhaps a felt-tipped marker or two. Pocket protectors are made of reasonably thick vinyl and lessen the chance of one damaging oneself, or one's clothes, if one fall, bends, or bumps into something the wrong way --- that is, in such a way as to get stabbed by the writing instruments in one's shirt pocket. Pocket protectors also keep one's pocket from getting dirty from lead and pens that might leak ink; in addition, they protect the shirt pocket >from the wear of clipping and unclipping writing instruments to and >from it. > > And how many here have wore a pocket protector on a regular > >basis in the past? > > What the hell is a pocket protector? You've never heard of a pocket protector before? Amazing. Perhaps it's a language translation thing, and they're called something else in your country. Over here, they're very popular. A pocket protector, as mentioned above, is a reasonably heavy vinyl lining for a shirt pocket, into which one places writing instruments, etc. Refer to figure 1 below for an illustration of a pocket protector. The pocket protector is represented by the asterisks; the straight lines represent the shirt and pocket. | |* |* |* *** |* *|* |* *|* |* *| |***| +---+ fig. 1 ASCII cutaway representation of a pocket protector. -- Copyright (C) 2001 R. D. Davis The difference between humans & other animals: All Rights Reserved an unnatural belief that we're above Nature & rdd(a)rddavis.net 410-744-4900 her other creatures, using dogma to justify such http://www.rddavis.net beliefs and to justify much human cruelty.

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Thick Net Cable Terminator in Sydney Australia

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

ask your local radio amateur to put two type N connectors on it, and since they cost a few please supply them. Allison -----Original Message----- From: Terry Collins <terryc(a)woa.com.au> To: Classic Computer <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Sunday, July 29, 2001 3:50 AM Subject: Thick Net Cable Terminator in Sydney Australia >I have a 30 metre length of thicknet (10base5) with screw on fittings at >each end and a vampire tap in the middle. As the cable gets dragged >around from LUG fest to LUG fest, I expect the vampire tap to eventually >fail and damage the cable. > >So, I am looking for someone (preferrably) in Sydney, Australia) who is >able to break the cable in half and fit new screw fittings. > > >-- > Terry Collins {:-)}}} Ph(02) 4627 2186 Fax(02) 4628 7861 > email: terryc(a)woa.com.au www: http://www.woa.com.au > WOA Computer Services <lan/wan, linux/unix, novell> > > "People without trees are like fish without clean water"

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HP98032 Option 085 details

by ard＠p850ug1.demon.co.uk

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Ethernet -- thicknet and thinnet before 10BaseT

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jul 28, 8:16, Bill Pechter wrote: > But bridges originally just repeat... > -- maybe they do the old 1987 spanning tree loop avoidance... > -- maybe they learn and eventually send just the traffic for the remote end > > But in the beginning they were dumb repeaters. > And the network was a dumb wire... Coax. How dumb can it get. I'm not quite sure what you're saying. If you're saying that the earliest bridges were dumb repeaters, you're wrong. The definition of a bridge is a layer 2 device that passes traffic according to the destination addresses contained in the packets. If you're saying that the way a bridge works is to learn where addresses are, and until it knows, it will pass packets everywhere, that's true. Even with old bridges, you wouldn't be able to see *all* the network traffic because the bridges would split the net into different collision domains (that's what they are for), so the only traffic that would go everywhere was broadcast traffic. You wouldn't even see all the broadcast traffic if you had a router or two in the system, and there's nothing new about that either. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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OT? news clip

by fmc＠reanimators.org

Saw this tidbit in the latest (July 2001) IEEE History Center newsletter, and thought the scanning electron microscopy folks here might find it interesting: 2001-2002 IEEE Life Members Fellowship in Electrical and Computing History This year's Fellowship in Electrical and Computing History has been awarded to Cyrus Mody, whose research is on "Scanning Probe Microscopy: The Genesis and Development of Tools and Practices in Engineering Science, 1970-2000." Cyrus Mody earned his A.B. in engineering science from Harvard University and is pursuing graduate studies at Cornell University. (end) If you want to find out more about the IEEE History Center, look at <http://www.ieee.org/history_center>. -Frank McConnell

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vintage computing

by MTPro＠aol.com

Please respond directly to: freds(a)monarch-info.com I need to obtain products from TOPS, a SUN subsidiary. They made Flashbox and Flashcard, products used to interconnect PCs and Macs. These were used around 1991. Do you have any suggestions? Regards, Fred Scholl

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Anybody need this?

by fernande＠internet1.net

I neglected to list this as available the other day. Memorex-Telex 85PS server case. I think this is a standard Intel server design, not ATX, and not AT, However. It is sort of in between looking to me. I have also seen this case used by Zenith for one of there Z-Servers. It'll hold about 8 3.5 inch hard drives. It also has a floppy drive plus space for a tape or cd-rom. It is new. I have all the paper work, cables, etc for it. It's free, but you pay shipping. It's in my living room, and will be recycled if no one wants it. Chad Fernandez Michigan, USA

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OT: Humor Moving to Florida -- VERY FUNNY!!!

by gehrich＠tampabay.rr.com

At 11:02 AM 7/28/01 -0400, you wrote: > For any of you that wanted to know what's it's like to live in Florida! I disagree entirely. The record high temperature in the history of the Tampa Bay weather bureau is 97. It has never been any higher. We have never had a 100 degree day. The hottest days in NJ are much hotter than the hottest days here. We have more days above 90. The temperature here is 89, 90 or 91 every day. Every summer NJ has many days that are higher than the record highs here. Now as for the winters its just no contest at all. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- gene(a)ehrich.com gehrich(a)tampabay.rr.com P.O. Box 3365 Spring Hill Florida 34611-3365 http://www.voicenet.com/~generic Computer & Video Game Garage Sale

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Need manual, or copy

by rhblake＠bigfoot.com

Just got an HP 5381A frequency counter, and although it's basically straightforward and simple, I was curious if anyone had a manual that they could copy, scan, etc so I had it for future reference, or knew of somewhere on the web that it might be stored in scanned or PDF format.

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A/UX

by dittman＠dittman.net

> >> >You forgot A/UX. > >> > >> Funny you should mention A/UX, I have my notebook full of original floppies > >> sitting here by my desk waiting to have them all imaged and put on a CDR. > >> Assuming all the floppies can be read, I plan to make a few extra CDRs. > > > >All my copies of A/UX came on CD. In fact, A/UX led me to buy my first > >CDROM drive. > > This one says version 1.1. Its part of my insane buying period, where > anything remotely like it I bought and hoarded, but didn't have time to > play with. Now my plan is buy VERY little, play a lot more. I went that same route. When I started collecting I went for diversity, but I found I never have enough time, so now I concentrate on a small range of systems I'm interested in, and even now I still wish I had more time to play with what i've got. -- Eric Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net

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building a PDP11 from the things you find at home

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On July 28, Phil Schilling wrote: > I think Bill's got this one on the nose. A re-incarnation of Next. Maybe > the > industry is more ready for it this time around :>) NeXT shipped *A LOT* of machines, man. Now, granted, nearly none of them went into households, but they installed (by practically giving them away) huge numbers of them in american colleges, and a large nameless US Gov't agency bought a VERY LARGE number of them. I'm definitely not trying to be a NeXT-tribesman here...but NeXT's products, and their relative success & failure, are some of the most misunderstood things in the workstation industry. -Dave McGuire

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building a PDP11 from the things you find at home

by dittman＠dittman.net

> > > > just how much has been lost to time in the onslaught of Microsoft and > > > > Unix > > > > What I'd like to see is a community effort to make a new OS that does what > > needs to be done without worrying about being compatible with something that > > currently exists.... Sure, it may not have a lot of software available... > > Two examples of the results of that... AmigaDOS, BeOS. There are others. AmigaDOS is different, but I don't know if it has all the features I'd like. As far as I know, BeOS tries to be somewhat Unix compatible. -- Eric Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net

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A great day!

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> On 27 Jul 2001, at 22:30, Frank McConnell wrote: > > You want to inquire about software too. The hardware is mostly > > HP2100-family stuff. The software is what makes it a time-shared > > BASIC system, and turning that up would be a Really Good Thing. > > Oh I will. I'm told they "have all sorts of software" for them. We'll > see. Many of us are looking forward to a copy of 2000 Access... -dq

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AU/X

by ken＠seefried.com

> Was the version you were running a C2 version? I was running A/UX 2.0/C2, > it was painful. Please. Try running the A/UX CMW version. Validated B1(+) level system. Also had a secure X Window system (no cut-and-paste between windows with different security labels, etc.). My first "real" job was with SecureWare, the company that wrote it (and similar systems for HP, DEC, Tektronix, etc.). And, yes, we wrote the C2 subsystem for SCO Unix. People who want to run C2 & B-level systems almost never know what they are getting into. Ken Seefried, CISSP

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parts of the PDP-1

by cmcmanis＠mcmanis.com

<http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1257805883> There was a story about the Computer Museum being donated a PDP-1 or a PDP-6 or some such and then being dismantled and sold off as parts in the gift shop. Now I've never heard the official story from someone who really knows, but this item on Ebay sounds like it might be the evidence. --Chuck

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building a PDP11 from the things you find at home

by pjschilling＠gcstech.net

I think Bill's got this one on the nose. A re-incarnation of Next. Maybe the industry is more ready for it this time around :>) Phil -----Original Message----- From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org [mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Bill Bradford Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2001 8:01 PM To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: building a PDP11 from the things you find at home On Sat, Jul 28, 2001 at 03:38:46PM +0100, Iggy Drougge wrote: > Personally, I think there's too much UNIX in OSX. They not only took the > kernel, but the entire environment as well. > Otherwise, (this wioll keep us within the ten-year rule), it reminds me of > MiNT/MultiTOS. Incompetent OS programmers who can't make a functioning, full- > featured system of their own just take a kernel off the rack and add some > glue. Granted, OSX is an entirely new system of its own whereas MiNT retained > TOS capability. But it's a tried and old concept. Actually, as far as I can tell, OS X is a revamped NeXTStep. Didnt anybody else laugh with glee (to themselves) when Apple releasd the G4 cube? "Wait a minute, i've seen this before.." Bill -- Bill Bradford mrbill(a)mrbill.net Austin, TX

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Extra copy of "Apollo Computer" book by Hall

by rcini＠optonline.net

Hello, all: For those interested, I seem to have found at home another copy of the history of the Apollo guidance computer book by Eldon Hall, speaker at VCFE. I purchased a signed copy from him today because I thought that I didn't have a copy at home. Surprise! So if anyone is interested in the *unsigned* copy, I'll let it go for $35 including shipping. I paid $45 for the signed copy and bought my first copy on Amazon for about $55. Again, interested parties please contact me off-list. Thanks. Rich Rich Cini Collector of classic computers Build Master for the Altair32 Emulation Project Web site: http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/classiccmp/ /************************************************************/

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Sun 3/110 is alive!

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On July 28, Anthony Clifton - Retrocomputing.com wrote: > I booted the 3/110 that I got from Tom Uban and it comes up, runs SunOS 4.1.1 > and also runs xwindows. Cool! > > All on a spiffy 19" monitor. I think I'm going to like this machine. =) Kick ass! The 3/110 is a fairly unusual machine. And a significant departure from the [otherwise reasonably consistent] Sun numbering scheme. A darn good design, in my opinion. -Dave McGuire

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OT: Humor Moving to Florida -- VERY FUNNY!!!

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On July 28, Gene Ehrich wrote: > > For any of you that wanted to know what's it's like to live in Florida! > > I disagree entirely. The record high temperature in the history of the > Tampa Bay weather bureau is 97. It has never been any higher. We have never > had a 100 degree day. The hottest days in NJ are much hotter than the > hottest days here. We have more days above 90. The temperature here is 89, > 90 or 91 every day. Every summer NJ has many days that are higher than the > record highs here. Though the original message was intended to be humorous, I have to agree with you here. Though I've lived in the Washington DC area now for about nine years, I've lived in Tampa for a while, and I have a house (a rental property) in Treasure Island...Every day of the Washington DC summer that I sweat and choke through leaves me longing for Tampa Bay weather. Nowhere near this hot in the summer, nowhere near this cold in the winter, and a certain lack of bullets flying overhead makes it so much more...relaxing. -Dave McGuire

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Booting A PDP-11/23

by univac2＠earthlink.net

I recently found a PDP-11/23 (Model 11C23-FE) at Goodwill. It is in a tall slim tower style enclosure, has a dual 5.25" floppy disk drive, a hard disk, and 1024KB. It passes the memory test, and trys to boot from "DU0". The light on the hard disk comes on for a few seconds, and then I get the message ERROR UNIT DU0 ERR 13 DRIVE NOT READY WISH TO REBOOT [Y,(N)]? So is something broken, or am I just doing something wrong? Any help is greatly appreciated. Thanks, Owen

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Booting A PDP-11/23

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

>> I recently found a PDP-11/23 (Model 11C23-FE) at Goodwill. It is in a tall >> slim tower style enclosure, has a dual 5.25" floppy disk drive, a hard disk, >> and 1024KB. It passes the memory test, and trys to boot from "DU0". The >> light on the hard disk comes on for a few seconds, and then I get the >> message >> >> ERROR UNIT DU0 >> ERR 13 DRIVE NOT READY >> WISH TO REBOOT [Y,(N)]? >> >> So is something broken, or am I just doing something wrong? Any help is >> greatly appreciated. First is there a hard disk drive there???? If there is start with Tony's suggestion of checking the enable and ready. IF not, you'll need a drive maybe. Do either of the floppies or their lights become active???? If they are it's looking for bootable media and there is none. The other possibility is the drive(s) is/are disconnected or maybe plain DOA. Allison

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cipher f880 dosc

by wrking＠dadaboom.com

Does anyone know where an online copy of the cipher f880 docs might be found? What I really need is the definitions of the switch settings internal to the drive (which one controls parity?). Thanks, Bill

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Free in DC area: Fuji SMD drives

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

I've got 5 Fuji 8" SMD drives (M233x and similar) just inside the DC beltway (I-495) available immediately. You pick up only; I will not ship these (weight with power supplies is 35-45 lbs each). They all worked about three years ago, the last time I fired them up. Anyone hauling them away also gets my collection of Emulex SMD controllers and Fuji SMD manuals, and the rack mount slides/trays, and whatever else I feel like making you take. Also available are some 8" Pertec voice-coil floppy drives, in "parts only" condition. Manuals and some Pertec-specific test equipment are available too. Again, you-haul. Email if interested; first-come, first-served. Tim. (shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com)

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Free in Austin, TX: PDP-11 equipment

by mrbill＠mrbill.net

I've got the following PDP-11 equipment free for pickup in Austin, Texas. David Williams from Houston has first shot since he is coming to pick up some uVAX-IIs, but anything else left is fair game. If you come get something (email me first!), you have to promise that it wont be scrapped or the front panels sold on eBay for some rich CEO's wall collection. I'd like it to all go to good homes where it will be appreciated. (god, I sound like an animal shelter) - PDP-11/60 and UNIBUS expansion cage (and some maintenance printsets) - two RX01's - one RK05J If anyone is interested, please email me. This stuff CAN NOT and WILL NOT be shipped - i cant even get some of it out of the crate I got it in. 8-( Bill -- Bill Bradford mrbill(a)mrbill.net Austin, TX

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building a PDP11 from the things you find at home

by dittman＠dittman.net

> Don't you think it strange the bidding went from $50 to $600 in one bid? > When $50 seemed to high? > I smell a wumpus, or a rat! I've seen this happen a couple of times. Someone that really wants something will put a very high bid in, knowing that no matter what happens the eBay bidding mechanism will automatically up their bid. Someone else that really wants the same thing will then come along and put in a very high bid. This causes the bid to automatically shoot up to the lowest of the high bids. Fortunately I don't bid this way. I only bid what I'm willing to pay and that's it. -- Eric Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net

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A great day! 2000 Access

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> oh? people are looking for a copy of 2000 Access? > > I have two copies on mag tape. One tape is 2000 Access for the 2100A/S and > the other is for the 21MX family. I didn't know people were still searching > for that, I thought everyone knew I had copies of it. So if people need a > copy of the tape, just let me know. Not a tape, but perhaps a .TAP or .TPC image of the tape.... ...the simulator doesn't have a real tape drive, you know... Regards, -doug q

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building a PDP11 from the things you find at home

by dittman＠dittman.net

> MacOS X. I'm a believer. First Unix that manages to avoid looking like Unix > (except if you want it to). I've never seen an X windows manager that did > any good other than making the Unix metaphor just pretty, not less complicated. > OS X, on the other hand, does an excellent job at hiding it away from the > casual user, but not making it ridiculously difficult for people to get > their hands dirty if they want. You forgot A/UX. -- Eric Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net

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Font used in d|i|g|i|t|a|l logo?

by mrbill＠mrbill.net

Anybody know the font used in the d|i|g|i|t|a|l logo, and on the old pdp logos and rack header plates? Thanks. bill -- Bill Bradford mrbill(a)mrbill.net Austin, TX

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Free in DC area: Fuji SMD drives

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

On Fri, 27 Jul 2001, Richard Erlacher wrote: > You mean Pertec, or PerSci? I've got a few PerSci drives, but I wasn't aware > that anyone else made voice-coil actuated FDD's. Yes, I really meant PerSci. If nobody here takes the drives, they'll go to a local metalworking enthusiast who melts down the castings... Tim.

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need help with an old ST-251 MFM drive...

by Mzthompson＠aol.com

On Wed, 25 Jul 2001; "Daniel A. Segel" <Daniel.Segel(a)wcom.com> wrote: > I have a circa 1982 IBM PC that has a Seagate ST-251 in it attached to a Data > Technology Corp. DTC-5150CI controller with a BIOS on it. Everything works fine > and the PC will boot up (it's running PC-DOS 3.3) and I can navigate around and > look at all the files, etc. > The problem is that I want to pull the files off of this drive, and the 360K > floppy doesn't appeal to me a method of transfer (the hard drive is almost full.) > There are three ways I can imagine doing this: > 1. Get an 8-bit ethernet card working under DOS 3.3 and somehow connect it to > my home network, > 2. Install a second HD in the PC that's running off a more modern controller (IDE?), > 3. Install the ST-251 into a more modern PC. > Any tips? Any other ideas about how to get the data off of this drive? And joe <rigdonj(a)intellistar.net> suggested: > How about LapLink or FastLynx? I've used both of them A LOT and they > work great for situations like this. Another suggestion would be Brooklyn Bridge. You can transfer files using a cable connecting the two parallel ports together. Also will work with the serial ports Mike

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OS/400 anyone?

by optimus＠canit.se

While at the junkyard yesterday, someone had dumped a bloody lot of QIC tapes. The original labels said "AS/400 SYSTEM SOFTWARE" and such things. Great, right? But then there were additional labels saying such things as "H:\ NT BACKUP". Arrrrgh! They're reusing OS/400 tapes for such things? Bastards! -- En ligne avec Thor 2.6a. The generation of random numbers is too important to be left to chance.

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Pocket protectors Was: RE: Fun "events" for VCF

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Douglas Quebbeman <dhquebbeman(a)theestopinalgroup.com> said: > > > > > > Vintage geek clothing contest. > > > > heh. the winner should be someone who manages to find a way > > to wear both a t-sheet and a pocket protector... > > And how many here have wore a pocket protector on a regular > basis in the past? I used to collect them (still have them), but never used them... But from time to time, I'd meet someone who should... especially when fountain pens were a bit more common than today. -dq

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Importance of Grounded Power?

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> I recently got an old AlphaServer 4/275, and it worked for a while, and > then after I moved into another room, and it stopped working. I only have > one or two grounded outlets in my apartment, so I had to hook it to a > non-grounded one (via a surge protector, plugged in with a grounding > adaptor). The only stuff I run that way would be PCs... for the Prime, I made a custom 50-foot 30-amp grounded extension cord, and run it all the way from the grounded outlet in the basement upstairs to where the computer is. regards, -dq

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Importance of Grounded Power?

by tsmurphy＠addr8.addr.com

I recently got an old AlphaServer 4/275, and it worked for a while, and then after I moved into another room, and it stopped working. I only have one or two grounded outlets in my apartment, so I had to hook it to a non-grounded one (via a surge protector, plugged in with a grounding adaptor). I'm not sure if it's coincidence, but that appeared to kill the AlphaServer (the power supply, to be precise). Is it technically possible for non-grounded power to be able to kill a system? In general, what type of hardware will require real grounded power to function? I have a whole slew of PC's, for example, using non-grounded power outlets without a hitch, so is this only going to be a problem for industrial equipment, like AlphaServers? Also does anyone know where I could get an AlphaServer 4/275 power supply for cheap? Thanks, Terry

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building a PDP11 from the things you find at home

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jul 28, 1:00, Bill Bradford wrote: > On Sat, Jul 28, 2001 at 12:35:04AM -0500, Eric Dittman wrote: > > You forgot A/UX. > > Forgetting about A/UX is a GOOD THING. :-) Agreed! -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Ethernet -- thicknet and thinnet before 10BaseT

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jul 26, 19:31, Bill Pechter wrote: > > Several transceivers connected to the same cable allow several machines > > to communicate. In a sense, the transceivers together with the coax cable > > form the hub. > > > > The T-pieces are, indeed passive (all 3 connectors connected in parallel > > in the obvious way), but they're not really the hub. > > > > -tony > > It's really that the hub doesn't exist on a bus network like 10Base2 > or 10Base5... all the Tee connectors are doing is replacing > the vampire tap on thicknet... > The thinnet "Transceiver" is really built on to the card on > most PC's and is the same (basically) as the old thicknet > transceiver attached to my Sun my Unix boxes -- they can go from > Thinnet to Thicknet by swapping the N-Connector top to the > BNC connector top. And thinnet can go to thicknet with just an N to BNC > adapter -- but the max length and specs drop to thinnet specs. > > Hubs really distort the logical ethernet bus topology. Not really. Logically, the innards of the hub are the bus. The ports are the taps. Then, since the stations connected are typically some distance away, you use an appropriate technology to get the cable to them, and that's why there are additional transceivers (one on the host card, one on the hub port) to drive the signal over a resonable distance. It certainly changes the physical layout of course (short bus long drops instead of a long bus with short drops). > Now 10/100 switches really screw with it. Those switches are just bridges, which have been around for decades (albeit with fewer ports). -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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VAX 11/750 info

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

Uhhhh, my 11/750 has a standard normal-looking 3 prong standard-outlet fitting plug.. It never has had a 30A twist-n-lock connector in all the time I've owned it... Is this a bad thing? Will J _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

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Apple ][ boards -- what have I found?

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jul 27, 23:15, Tony Duell wrote: > > On Jul 26, 18:38, Tony Duell wrote: > > > There seems to be a 6522 (on the BBC side) with the ports connected to > > > the ports of the 8255. That seems to be on the Z80 bus. > > > > I've not looked at one for a while, but that makes more sense. Presumably > > the 6522 is mapped into the Beeb's 1MHz bus space. > > Don't you mean _Tube_ address space ? :-) Er, yes, that was a typo, induced by trying to type 15 minutes of email in a 5-minute slot :-) In fact, part of the reason the Torch board causes Beebs to misbehave if Torch's own code doesn't grab it and hide it, is that the 6522 is seen by Acorn's Tube code (in the DNFS ROM) and Acorn's code will try to initialise it (and gets it wrong, of course). -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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A/UX

by dittman＠dittman.net

> >You forgot A/UX. > > Funny you should mention A/UX, I have my notebook full of original floppies > sitting here by my desk waiting to have them all imaged and put on a CDR. > Assuming all the floppies can be read, I plan to make a few extra CDRs. All my copies of A/UX came on CD. In fact, A/UX led me to buy my first CDROM drive. -- Eric Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net

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building a PDP11 from the things you find at home

by dittman＠dittman.net

> >I used to run A/UX on a II (later IIfx) and I liked it. I > >didn't find it all that much slower than running the MacOS > >straight. I can even remember playing Hellcats (I think > >that was the name; it was a WWII flight simulator) under > >A/UX and it was pretty smooth. > > Was the version you were running a C2 version? I was running A/UX 2.0/C2, > it was painful. No, I ran the standard version. Also, things greatly improved with 3.0. -- Eric Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net

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building a PDP11 from the things you find at home

by dittman＠dittman.net

> >You forgot A/UX. > > That's where I first touched both UNIX and a Macintosh, trust me, it's best > forgotten. Once that WIS Workstation was loaded with MacOS 7, it flew! > Before that it was a dog, despite being based around a Mac IIfx. I used to run A/UX on a II (later IIfx) and I liked it. I didn't find it all that much slower than running the MacOS straight. I can even remember playing Hellcats (I think that was the name; it was a WWII flight simulator) under A/UX and it was pretty smooth. -- Eric Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net

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A great day!

by fmc＠reanimators.org

"David Williams" <dlw(a)trailingedge.com> wrote: > that he has a ton of HP2000 manuals and a friend who has HP2000 > hardware he may be interested in parting with. I've wanted to work > with some HP2000 stuff again since I left high school. All in all a > good day. :-) You want to inquire about software too. The hardware is mostly HP2100-family stuff. The software is what makes it a time-shared BASIC system, and turning that up would be a Really Good Thing. -Frank McConnell

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A great day!

by dlw＠trailingedge.com

This has been a great day. First the Atari Portfolio and the BeBox. Then I'm picking up a bunch of DEC stuff from Bill here on the list but the thing that got me really excited is a co-work just told me that he has a ton of HP2000 manuals and a friend who has HP2000 hardware he may be interested in parting with. I've wanted to work with some HP2000 stuff again since I left high school. All in all a good day. :-) ----- "What is, is what?" "When the mind is free of any thought or judgement, then and only then can we know things as they are." David Williams - Computer Packrat dlw(a)trailingedge.com http://www.trailingedge.com

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Hackers: Computer Outlaws revisited

by vcf＠siconic.com

I must say I was a bit surprised at how well done the show was. It wasn't over-sensationalized at all. On the contrary, I thought it was very well researched and did a good job of telling the stories and explaining the technical stuff. I was glad that they had more quotes from Jonathan Littman than from John Markoff. Littman told Mitnick's story closer to what really was going on, while Markoff stuck to his agenda of vilifying Mitnick, which he's spent the better part of the last five years of his career doing. Markoff is the kind of reporter I despise; one who attempts to make the news or mold it in his view rather than simply report it. But I don't think Mitnick's story is as rosy as he paints it either, and I think he's spinning some revisionism on it. He's certainly got some skeletons in his past that he's not owning up to. Anyhoo, Draper's story is pretty much how I've heard it told before. He really was just an unfortunate fall guy of sorts. The warehouse where they filmed Draper is where my computers used to be stored (well, a few still are, I'm not quite done moving yet :) There were some shots of me typing on an Apple ][ (you may have noticed the "CALL -151" on the screen at one point :) but you couldn't tell who it was, just hands. The display of 1's and 0's that showed periodically was generated on an Apple ][ as well (that is, by far, the acme of my career). There was also some other stuff, like 6502 assembler scrolling by, and of course the computers they showed rotating were all mine ;) Well, that was fun. One to the next show: I'm providing some Altair footage for a National Geographic special on computer history. I'm also in the process of developing a documentary on the F14 flight control computer, but that's a slow-going affair. Once the VCF's are over for the year then I hope to kick that up into full gear. Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org

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ID these boards (pictures)

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On July 27, Bill Bradford wrote: > Check out http://content.sunhelp.org/boards/ > > Anybody know what these might be out of? Definitely not DEC boards. Vaguely NCR-ish, but I'm really not sure. Can you put up a closeup of the backplane-side card-edge connectors? -Dave McGuire

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building a PDP11 from the things you find at home

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

> In a sense, yes. I can't justify the cost of ownership (which is a lot > higher than the value of the machine) for such a machine. I'd rather spend > the money on something useful. I've got better things to put in the > space. I've got more interesting things to learn to fix than a PC where > half the components are probably unobtainable anyway. > > And I can assure you there's nothing that I want to do that I can't do on > my existing computers. OK, I'm curious, what hardware/Operating System do you use to get on the net? You've obviously got email access, do you have web, etc.? Zane

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FREE (for shipping) - a bunch of ISA and MCA token ring cards

by rhblake＠bigfoot.com

I have - ready for the dumpster- a bunch of token ringers. None are tested but came from working mo-chines. Heres' a rough breakdown of the 15 cards: 3 ea - NCR long MCA 16/4 cards, pn 770-00238 (2 B's, 1 A) RJ45 and 9 d-sub 1 ea - IBM short "Auto 16/4" FRU 92G7690 RJ45 only 4 ea - IBM short 16/4 FRU 74F9515 9 d-sub only 5 ea - IBM short 16/4 FRU 74F9321 9 d-sub only 1 ea - Thomas Conrad long ISA 16 bit w/ Tropic 500-4043-001 Rev A, 9 d-sub only 1 ea - 3Com TokenLink Velocity ISA 3C319 short 16 bit w/RJ45 and 9 d-sub Shipping by USPS, approx 10 lbs (might vary when packed but this is close). If not spoken for by Monday they get chucked. Postage would be from zip 42726

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need help with an old ST-251 MFM drive...

by lance＠costanzo.net

A parallel port ZIP drive is very handy for this sort of thing. Easy to setup; in your case I'd format a disk in the old PC (360K), take it to a newer PC, SYS it with 6.22, put the files on it for the ZIP drive, and boot it on the old PC. The parallel ZIP only needs a 1/2 dozen or so control files to work. a:guest (assigns ZIP to drive D) xcopy c:*.* d: /s /e (put it on the floppy when you sys it) It make take awhile. Go have lunch. Lance. At 12:37 PM 7/25/01 -0700, you wrote: >Here's the deal: > >I have a circa 1982 IBM PC that has a Seagate ST-251 in it attached to a Data Technology Corp. DTC-5150CI controller with a BIOS on it. Everything works fine and the PC will boot up (it's running PC-DOS 3.3) and I can navigate around and look at all the files, etc. > >The problem is that I want to pull the files off of this drive, and the 360K floppy doesn't appeal to me a method of transfer (the hard drive is almost full.) > >There are three ways I can imagine doing this: > >1. Get an 8-bit ethernet card working under DOS 3.3 and somehow connect it to my home network, >2. Install a second HD in the PC that's running off a more modern controller (IDE?), >3. Install the ST-251 into a more modern PC. > >I've been trying to get option 3 to work for a week now, but I'm not having any luck. Any tips? I'm currently trying to get the DTC controller to work in an old EISA 486 with a 1992 AMI BIOS, but I keep getting a "HDD Controller failure" message. I've tried it both with the controllers BIOS enabled and disabled. If the BIOS is enabled, it puts up a message saying "1 hard disk" right before the other error - this is the same message I see on the PC right before it starts booting. > >So I know the controller itself is "working", but it's not being recognized by the BIOS. I'm not sure what's going on. > >Any tips? Any other ideas about how to get the data off of this drive? Should I try another MFM controller? > >Daniel >-- >Daniel A. Segel >WorldCom >Employee Systems User Support >Phone: 916-373-4810; Vnet: 653-4810; Pager: 888-783-5951; AIM: DanSegel > > >

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QNX hosts

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

> ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ethan Dicks" <ethan_dicks(a)yahoo.com> > To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> > Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 6:34 PM > Subject: QNX (was Re: building a PDP11 from the things you find at home) > > > > > > --- "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh(a)aracnet.com> wrote: > > > > QNX is a very cool operating system, which unfortunately (from my > > > >perspective) runs only on the Intel platform... > > > > > > Do some research, QNX runs on a *LOT* more than IA, and yes, it seems to > be > > > pretty cool. > > > > Agreed. I heard of QNX _years_ ago on the mc68k platform, long before > > I saw it for the first time (on a 486, running the air handlers and > > environmental controls at the science lab at McMurdo; they also use it > > on the research boats for data collection as well as environmental > > monitoring and control). > > > > -ethan > I think you must be mistaken. Perhaps you're thinking of another system? > I was in high school hanging out at the University of Waterloo when > Danny Dodge (??)came to pick up his lineprinter listings I happened to > be reading. It was the source code to what became QNX. He was > part of a 3 member team writing a real time kernel as an assigment > for a 3rd or 4th year real-time programming course. At the time > the target was a generic intel 80186 box. Most interesting was that > the cross development was done on a Honeywell Gecos mainframe... > > I later acquired QNX 1.0 for the 8088 IBM PC, Nabu 1600 (8086) and > Cemcorp Icon (80186 bionic beaver, a machine put into every Ontario school) > I still have all these machines - QNX was a perfect match for <512K > mmu-less memory systems. The Nabu also has an add-on discrete mmu > which allowed it to run Xenix in 512 K... amazing for the time as it benched > close to the speed of a VAX even with miserably slow WD MFM drives. > > Could you be thinking of OS-9 ? for the 6809 or OS-9000 ? > > Regards, Heinz He's not mistaken, while the latest version(s) don't look to still support 68k processors, it does support a LOT of different CPU's. http://qdn.qnx.com/support/hardware/platform/processors.html Zane

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The new VAX is alive!

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

> Has anyone here successfully done this? I have the VAXen, I have a ROM > burner, I have the patches and I have a complete 32-bit file with the I've no idea, but I think people have done this successfully. I've only got one VAXstation 2000, and it's got bad RAM, so the only thing it's good for is a disk formatter (but then that was all I wanted it for in the first place). Zane

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ID these boards (pictures)

by mrbill＠mrbill.net

Check out http://content.sunhelp.org/boards/ Anybody know what these might be out of? No company name/markings that I can find. About the size of a modern PC motherboard, maybe a little smaller. They DONT look like DEC boards to me, but I may be wrong. The "levers" on each board to remove them are two different colors - one white with a label, one colored (I guess to color-code installing the boards). Each board has two card-edge connectors to plug into a backplane, and some have top-edge connectors (cables, etc, I would guess). Here's what they are so far: White Handle Other Part # ? -------------------------------------------------------- MICA green 176P1346-2-0 MICB green 170A113670-D DECODE green 176P1239-A DRIVER green 176P1238-B DMEM green/black? 176P1240-1-A FMEM yellow 176P1267-C MCS yellow 176P001282-C TERMINAL white 176A109450-A KBINT blue 176A116980-0 -- Bill Bradford mrbill(a)mrbill.net Austin, TX

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Hackers: Computer Outlaws revisited

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> When there get to be enough thieves that those law abiding citizens who get > robbed become tired of it, the law may change to the extent that your property > becomes worth more than the fleas that choose to steal it. In the meantime, > we'll just have to make stew out of their flesh, cat food from their innards, > and fertilizer from their bones ... <sigh> at least that way they serve SOME > useful purpose. Is it really worth the effort? Yup. Time to install that lime pit.... (BTW, I have instructions on how to make your own lime >from limestone, if anyone needs it). -dq

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need help with an old ST-251 MFM drive...

by CELang＠worldnet.att.net

Well... If it were me, I'd just hook the things together modem to modem (or serial port to serial port as the case may be) and send everything over using terminal software. Procomm was what I used on my olde '286 and XT; Hyperterminal for my Pentium machine. Craig -----Original Message----- From: Daniel A. Segel <Daniel.Segel(a)wcom.com> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 3:13 PM Subject: need help with an old ST-251 MFM drive... >Here's the deal: > >I have a circa 1982 IBM PC that has a Seagate ST-251 in it attached to a Data Technology Corp. DTC-5150CI controller with a BIOS on it. Everything works fine and the PC will boot up (it's running PC-DOS 3.3) and I can navigate around and look at all the files, etc. > >The problem is that I want to pull the files off of this drive, and the 360K floppy doesn't appeal to me a method of transfer (the hard drive is almost full.) > >There are three ways I can imagine doing this: > >1. Get an 8-bit ethernet card working under DOS 3.3 and somehow connect it to my home network, >2. Install a second HD in the PC that's running off a more modern controller (IDE?), >3. Install the ST-251 into a more modern PC. > >I've been trying to get option 3 to work for a week now, but I'm not having any luck. Any tips? I'm currently trying to get the DTC controller to work in an old EISA 486 with a 1992 AMI BIOS, but I keep getting a "HDD Controller failure" message. I've tried it both with the controllers BIOS enabled and disabled. If the BIOS is enabled, it puts up a message saying "1 hard disk" right before the other error - this is the same message I see on the PC right before it starts booting. > >So I know the controller itself is "working", but it's not being recognized by the BIOS. I'm not sure what's going on. > >Any tips? Any other ideas about how to get the data off of this drive? Should I try another MFM controller? > >Daniel >-- >Daniel A. Segel >WorldCom >Employee Systems User Support >Phone: 916-373-4810; Vnet: 653-4810; Pager: 888-783-5951; AIM: DanSegel > >

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building a PDP11 from the things you find at home

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> > > Imagine different front panels depending on which PDP11 you software > > > configure... > > > > And none of them have the feel of the real thing... > > > > -tony > > Only if you miss the fan noise... You would mention that... I've got a Dell PowerEdge 2400 sitting three feet away that's slowly robbing me of my hearing... it has a "slow mode" but since airflow around the unit is a problem, I don't feel safe using it... so it stays set on "hurricane"... -dq

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building a PDP11 from the things you find at home

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> > Tony- > > > > I'm running SIMH on a 233MHz Pentium-1 with rather good response. At > > I stand by my statement. I don;t have a Pentium 1, I don't have any sort > of Pentium, and I don't have anything with a 233MHz master clock. This, then, by choice, I take it? > > least, TOPS-10 seems as fast as it was at university loaded with > > students... > > Hmm... I think I'd rather have a go at making a real > PDP10.... That could be an 'interesting' project.... I'm not sure what would qualify as "real" to you... would it have to be a machine built from the original schematic prints? Or would a re-implementation using modern devices (e.g. FPGA) qualify as "real"...? -dq

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Apple ][ boards -- what have I found?

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jul 26, 18:38, Tony Duell wrote: > There seems to be a 6522 (on the BBC side) with the ports connected to > the ports of the 8255. That seems to be on the Z80 bus. I've not looked at one for a while, but that makes more sense. Presumably the 6522 is mapped into the Beeb's 1MHz bus space. > I've found a part-populated board marked 'Torch Computers 68000' which I > believe to be from a Unicorn (it's not from a XXX or anything later). It > has a 40 pin connector on it, which suggests it connects to the Tube as > well. Oh, then I stand corrected. The Tube is the only 40-pin connector on a Beeb. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Vintage Mac TOPS Flashbox

by kapteynr＠cboe.com

John: You wrote: "People who can help Fred should reply to his address.", but I can't figure out this address. Anyway, I noticed that one of the big electronic surplus places had tons of TOPS network stuff ~5 years ago. I think it was Alltronics in San Jose, but I am not sure. -Rob ----- Original Message ----- From: +ACI-Frederick Scholl+ACI- +ADw-freds+AEA-monarch-info.com+AD4- Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 1:58 PM Subject: Vintage equipt Dear John, I am trying to find vintage mac networking equipment, specifically TOPS Flashbox and TOPS Flashcard. They were used for interconnecting Macs and PCs around 1991. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Regards, Fred Scholl ----- Original Message ----- John A.

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IBM-PC keyboards

by liste＠artware.qc.ca

I picked up an IBM keyboard at the Village des valeurs on saturday. It has nice tactile feedback, no vanity keys and takes up less desk space then my aged Keytronics. Cool. However, it "doesn't work". When I plug it in and start the computer, all 3 leds go on, then NumLock goes off and nothing responds as I would expect (caps, scroll, del to get into bios, ctrl-a for adaptec scsi monitor) I was under the impression that there were 2 types of keyboards for clones: PC/XT and AT keyboards. This keyboard has a PS/2 style miniDIN-6 connector (though I now notice it doesn't have the rectangular plug in the middlish that my other keyboards do), so I assumed it would be AT and therefore compatible with modern motherboards. No luck :( Looking on the bottom I see : Part No : 1395300 IBM ID No : 2117313 Date : 12-05-1992 (C) IBM Corp. 1984 Plt. No. : WP1 Model : M2 Made in USA [bar code] 1395300112117313 So, do I have a defective keyboard? Or is this not even a PC keyboard but for some other piece of equipement? -Philip

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