- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by r_beaudry＠hotmail.com

Hello all, I posted some Commodore stuff to my website, for sale. 99% of the items are $2.00 or $5.00, so no outrageous pricing (you also pay shipping, of course). http://members.tripod.com/glhturbo/commo.html (Apologies for the annoying Tripod banner). All the details are there... One important note is that this is NOT a "first come, first served" sale. In order to have some fairness to the international and digest members of the list, if I get more people interested in an item than I have on hand, I will throw names into a hat and pick randomly. Thanks! Rich B.

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What's your coolest ISA card?( was Re: IBM 5150 PC)

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> On Tue, 7 Aug 2001, Gene Buckle wrote: > > > > how about SILLIEST?? IBM professional debug facility. An entire half > > > > length card for the sole purpose of bringing two pins of the ISA bus to a > > > > pushbutton. It made the front cover of PC Tech Journal. > > That sounds a LOT like the Periscope debugger board. Is it? > > NO! > > Periscope (by Brett Salter) had several different versions, ranging from > little clips to go into an ISA slot alongside a board, to a full lenghth > board with "write-protectable RAM" that the debugger could be loaded into. Did anyone here ever get to use an ATRON debugger board? This was a full-length card that, as best as I can determine from my poor recollection, contained a discrete-IC implemnetation of the 8088 processor, which gave the debugger software the ability to get to signals that would otherwise have required a "bond-out" version of the 8088 (which I have no idea whether such beats existed or not). The software let you step though a program cycle-by-cycle, so you could *really* watch as a low level. It was essential in my work at the time, developing process control software for warehouses and distribution centers, all done the the Zenith Z-151 that now resides at home in the collection. Regards, -dq

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Service does still exist....

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> >Agreed... System 7.5.5 runs fairly fast on it, but 8.0 is a bit > >of a dog... too much emulated code remaining? > > I've got 8.1 on mine and it seems more stable than 7.5.X. > There was quite a bit of 68k emulation still going on with those > releases though. It certainly would've helped if they had put a > cache on the 603. I have 8.1, so I'll have to give it a whirl on the 5300... -dq

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SemiOT: Mourning for Classic Computing

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> On Mon, 13 Aug 2001, Douglas Quebbeman wrote: > > > > For me, it should be a date to *mourn*, not to celebrate. > > I have to disagree, Doug. The historic events you so despise are the very > ones that have made my life *possible*. I grew up as a computer nerd in > rural Oklahoma -- not exactly the point of deepest or quickest penetration "When I was a young man, barely seventeen... went out to Hollywood to change my dream... Dusty Oklahoma was all I'd ever seen... ...and I was getting older..." Yeah, Louisville ain't a techno hotbed, either... Neither of us would have been any worse off if we'd never been involved with computers. I was going to major in choral music direction... took one required course in music theory and Computer Programming 101... and never looked back, that is, until recently... > Also, not every programmer produced from personal computing is a bad > programmer. I've seen quite a number of such people that should be > forbidden from ever invoking a text editor, but we're not all > that way. Agreed; and some would say it's worth filtering every grain of sand in the ocean just to get at the few grains of gold contained therein... > I may not have a lot of field experience (I'm not even out of college > yet), but I'm a damn good programmer. I'd say if you a damned good programmer, it's because you've developed expertise, regardless of how you got it. But I know lots of stories about PFYs getting their start in mainframe environments... Regards, -dq

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SemiOT: Mourning for Classic Computing (Was: RE: PeeCee turns 20) [longish]

by avickers＠solutionengineers.com

At 05:16 pm 13/08/2001 -0400, Douglas Quebbeman wrote: > >For me, it should be a date to *mourn*, not to celebrate. Hmm, I'm going to have to disagree with you now... <snip> > >But I digress. While he was doing this, I was looking >around the store, and saw the Doom of Computing in the >form of a computer that didn't require a soldering iron >to build and use- namely, an Apple II. I think all of us have our own personal view on "when computing had it's golden age". For me, 1984 and the Sinclair QL was the peak of the microcomputer (as opposed to the IBM PC & clones). For you, it must have been around 197<mumble>. >The beginning of the end. I knew it then, and I was >proved right. I dispute that: Computers and computing go from strength to strength. There's more than just PCs out there; the mighty mainframe still rules the roost in many places, there's Apple Macs, VAX minis, Crays, and probably many others I can't even think of. And, for the soldering-iron fans, embedded computing is probably stronger than it ever was - *everything's* got a computer or three in it... >Again, it's nice to have fast, cheap >computers, but I for one would have been just as >happy for the next 20 years having fast, cheap TERMINALS >to hook to the mainframes. And the continued high cost of >entry would have kept from coming into existence an entire >generation of self-taught (and poorly so) programmers who >have and continue to crank out some of the worst software >imaginable. In the halcyon days, most of the bad code was >writtwn by the lusers themselves... That's a bit elitist, isn't it? Besides, most of the self-taught programmers of whom you speak are not really programmers; they're merely users with enough knowledge to be dangerous. Besides, if it wasn't for the microprocessor and all that it begat, this list wouldn't even be here... >Easy access to fast, cheap computers drove the genesis of >an entire generation of self-taught programmers who didn't >give a whit for structured programming or anything else that >resembles a methodology, and who single-handedly changed the >expectations that managers have about how quickly things >get done. Sure RAD helped speed programming along, but not >nearly as much just cutting corners... which the PC made >easier... damn, I feel a song coming on again: It wasn't the PC that made cutting corners easy; it was the near-universal use of BASIC - a fundamentally unstructured language - that is responsible for the bulk of the "bad programmers"; and I say that as a professional programmer who uses BASIC....! Maybe if PASCAL had been the language de jour, today's self-taught programmers would be better at it... >No, not only will I not celebrate it, but I need to >find a black armband to wear the rest of the month. IMHO, no. The PC had to happen; it was just a case of who got lucky (or had the best marketing). At the end of the day, the PC offered unrivalled expansion possibilities, a comparatively friendly OS (Gates did well to poach DOS), and good flexibility thanks to the lack of built in anything. Personally, I'd have liked to have seen a MC68000 based machine become today's PC (mainly because I'd already learned assembler on the QL). No doubt Commodore fans would have preferred the C128 or Amiga to "grow up" into the PC. Well, I'm off to dabble with my CBM PET, or maybe the MZ-80K. They're fun, but I wouldn't like to have to use them every day, day in day out... Cheers! Ade. -- B-Racing: B where it's at :-) http://www.b-racing.co.uk

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Service does still exist....

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> >We had this service done on the boss' 5300ce back in '96... it's been > >a trouper ever since. it's plugged into the Prime acting as a serial > >console (even though the Prime is still down...). > > Gee Doug, what's the use of it being used as a terminal for a > system that isn't functioning at the moment? <g> it's called -Hope-.... oops, it's dashed now... > The CE has a great > screen...higher res. than the 5300c. Still the 5300c and it's active > matrix screen is nicer than the 5300cs. The 5300 may be a bit slow, > but it feels real solid now and with the various expansion bay drives > and the internal ethernet/video upgrade, it'll do me for a while. Agreed... System 7.5.5 runs fairly fast on it, but 8.0 is a bit of a dog... too much emulated code remaining? -dq

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Hazeltine 1500 Technical Info.

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

Hi used to know that beast like the back of my hand. Try this, pull the keyboard encoder (ay3-3500, 25 year memory test!) and see of the problem goes away. Those encoders somtimes get static blasted. I may even have an encoder (still!) for that one. Also try removing and banging the board to shake out loose junk on it. Allison -----Original Message----- From: Messick, Gary <Gary.Messick(a)itt.com> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Monday, August 13, 2001 2:40 PM Subject: Hazeltine 1500 Technical Info. >Does anyone have any technical documentation for a Hazeltine 1500? I just >plugged mine in, and it seems that I have some problems. I'm getting cap. >O's in the top half of the display, and overtyping does not always produce >the proper character. Everything's fine on the bottom half of the screen. >I'm thinking I have a bad RAM chip. Looking at the board, it's an 8080 with >IIRC 21L02's for RAM. I don't own a logic analyzer, and haven't correlated >the ASCII codes to see what bit's are stuck. > >Any help would be appreciated. > >Gary

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PeeCee turns 20

by RCini＠congressfinancial.com

Iggy: >>Celebrate?? Well, "celebrate" in the broadest sense of the word. The PC may not be perfect, but warts and all, it's about the best thing that could have happened to my stock portfolio :-) Rich ========================== Richard A. Cini, Jr. Congress Financial Corporation 1133 Avenue of the Americas 30th Floor New York, NY 10036 (212) 545-4402 (212) 840-6259 (facsimile) -----Original Message----- From: Iggy Drougge [mailto:optimus@canit.se] Sent: Friday, August 10, 2001 8:00 PM To: Cini, Richard Subject: Re: PeeCee turns 20 Cini, Richard skrev: > It's tough going through August without a holiday, so I'm looking >for something to celebrate :-) Celebrate??? -- En ligne avec Thor 2.6a. Menyn ?r inte lika sexig som telnet, det ?r h?rt men sant. Petri Oksanen #38 p? SUGA BBS

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PDP 11/84's - any interest?

by hofmanwb＠worldonline.nl

Jerome, I converted an 11/84 to an 11/83 myself. The memory works fine on a Q-bus. It is connected to the CPU board via overhead flatcable. I converted an 11/84 to an 11/83 myself. Wim ---------- > From: Jerome Fine <jhfine(a)idirect.com> > Jerome Fine replies: > > While the power supply and backplane are heavy (if I remember), the > actual boards are probably worth saving. The CPU itself is a Qbus > board, but the memory is NOT Qbus compatible. And the rest > of the boards will be Unibus. > > I see that there was a deadline. Did anything get saved? > > Sincerely yours, > > Jerome Fine >

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Service does still exist....

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> I've just had an example of truly excellent service and > thought I'd pass it on. For those that don't know, the Apple > Powerbook 5300 series is under a 7 year extended repair period due to > the type of plastic used in it's casing. Basically, up until > sometime next year, if there's a problem on a PB5300 series machine > that is attributable to the case, Apple will repair it. Last week, > the right hinge mounting block on my PB 5300c broke so I called Apple > on Monday. On Tuesday, Airborne Express delivered a box for me to > ship the machine back to Apple, on Wed. Airborne picked it back up. > It was delievered to Apple on Thursday and it was repaired and given > back to Airborne on Friday. Airborne dropped it off at my home just > about an hour ago. The machine looks like new and now has been put > through the full REA to repair the known problems covered, at no cost > to me. I'm not even the original owner of the machine. We had this service done on the boss' 5300ce back in '96... it's been a trouper ever since. it's plugged into the Prime acting as a serial console (even though the Prime is still down...). -dq

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Xerox Viewpoint on 5 1/4" disks Availaible, Astoria, OR

by Innfogra＠aol.com

I have a factory carton with a set of Viewpoint 2.0 Software for the Xerox 6085 Star. It is on 5 1/4 inch diskettes. I would like to offer it to list members first before posting it on eBay. I believe it is complete, new and unused. I can provide more information to those interested. Unfortunately I am not open to trading since I need cash to go to the dentist. Please contact me off list at whoagiii(a)aol.com Paxton Astoria, OR

24 years, 4 months

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Hazeltine 1500 Technical Info.

by Gary.Messick＠itt.com

Does anyone have any technical documentation for a Hazeltine 1500? I just plugged mine in, and it seems that I have some problems. I'm getting cap. O's in the top half of the display, and overtyping does not always produce the proper character. Everything's fine on the bottom half of the screen. I'm thinking I have a bad RAM chip. Looking at the board, it's an 8080 with IIRC 21L02's for RAM. I don't own a logic analyzer, and haven't correlated the ASCII codes to see what bit's are stuck. Any help would be appreciated. Gary

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WE32100 (was: Re: What's your coolest ISA card?)

by ken＠seefried.com

From: "Iggy Drougge" <optimus(a)canit.se> > What a shame, I can't find the 32100 in the otherwise great "Great > microprocessors of the past and present" > How about an introduction? Orginally, the We32000, but pretty qucikly moved to the We32100. This is actually the CPU; there was a complete set of support chips. 10MHz, with a later upgrade to 18MHz (still not very fast). Used in the AT&T 3B2, 3B5 & 3B20 machines, and also shows up in a number of other odd places (some AT&T PBXs, 5ESS switch, etc.). CISC architecture, designed (supposedly) to efficiently support C language compliation. There was a followon We32200 chip that I recall showed up in the 3B2/1000. I've got the We32100 reference manual at home, if any has specific questions. AT&T carpet-bombed Georgia Tech with 3b2s when I was there (~1985), so I used them quite a bit at the time. Actually really nice when used with the 5620 BLIT graphics terminals. I'd love to have one of those. Ken

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National Semi 32000 ICs available

by nielsph＠worldonline.dk

Hello Ken Seefried Ive just read the following at http://www.classiccmp.org/mail-archive/classiccmp/2001-04/3528.html > Start I've recently come into a cache of National Semiconductor 32000 series ICs that I would be willing to part with for someone who is repairing something vintage that uses them. Contact me with what you can use and what you will use it for. The part #s are: ns32301 ns32302 ns32303 ns32081 ns16032 ns32008 ns16082 ns32082 ns32332 ns32382 > End Im currently searching for an NS32081N-15 FPU for repairing a Canon LBP4 laser printer. Im very interested to hear if you have the above mentioned device and what it costs. I live in Denmark, but I hope thats not a problem. Looking forward to hear from you. Best regards Niels Pauli Hansen

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Terminals

by Alan.Pearson＠cramersystems.com

> AT&T carpet-bombed Georgia Tech with 3b2s when I was there (~1985), so I > used them quite a bit at the time. Actually really nice when used with the > 5620 BLIT graphics terminals. I'd love to have one of those. I remember the shock I got when I was first introduced to the 5620, having just moved to AT&T from Xerox :-) My new boss was surprised to see my lack of enthusiasm, since I was "one of the lucky ones" to have a 5620 instead of the HP terminals (2620?) everyone else was using.. I'd just come from an environment where all development was done on D-machines with 21" monitors, suddenly I'm looking at a strange A4ish sized terminal which was hooked up to an Amdahl mainframe along with the rest of the site... whoa, culture shock! The mouse was the oddest thing I ever saw, a huge red half-globe thing with three huge clicky switches right on the rim, very uncomfortable to use. I was sad to see it go when a year or so later they upgraded a bunch of terminals to 630s with orange screens... orange on black never really worked for me :-) By the time I left AT&T they'd belatedly joined the desktop revolution and had equipped everyone with Sun IPXs, but the old centralised mainframe mentality never quite went away... all our home directories were remote mounted from a central server :-) Happy daze! -al

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New stuff

by jarkko.teppo＠er-grp.com

A reasonable weekend: - HP 9000/834 + 7959 disk with HP-UX 8.x. Another one of those "don't know root password, must play evil [cr][h]acker". My first ever PA-RISC :-) - HP 3000 Micro GX. I don't know anything about MPE and I don't know the manager (?) password. Must learn more. My first ever 3k :-) - HP 700-RX. Beats the pants of my old(er) 700-X. This one is usable for xpilot. - DEC VT-1200. A reasonable compliment to the pile of VXT-2000's. - Random junk. And as nearly always, no documents at all. Interestingly the 834 case is the same as the 9000/550 case. Does anyone have any pointers to easy MPE documentation ? -- jht

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^X (was: an odd question

by Alan.Pearson＠cramersystems.com

> Am I the only person here who instinctively uses ^S to halt screen output > and ^Q to restart it? Nope, I still find ^S/^Q useful for suspending/resuming Java apps when they output an appropriate debug string :-) -al

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classiccmp-digest V1 #683

by foxnhare＠jps.net

> Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 09:33:54 -0700 (PDT) > From: "Fred Cisin (XenoSoft)" <cisin(a)xenosoft.com> > Subject: Re: Finds in Houston > > On Tue, 7 Aug 2001, Mike Ford wrote: > > Not exactly. Certain people are still buying monitors working or > not. One > > of my friends just brokered a deal on 3,000 old apple monitors. Not nice > > big ones either, but old 14" monitors. > > You have unusual friends. Or one friend who is REALLY strange. > Hmmmm. Why would a spammer want thousands of old monitors,. . . > Maybe for the viseogame market, if they are 14" composite color monitors, the apple ones have really good picture tubes... If they are VGA, they also have good picture tubes and possibly are also for the video games matket or maybe for a cheap all-in one internet appliance. As a Commodore fan it can be hard to get Commodore composite monitors because most other classic computerists/gamers know how good some of them are. -- 01000011 01001111 01001101 01001101 01001111 01000100 01001111 01010010 01000101 Larry Anderson - Sysop of Silicon Realms BBS (209) 754-1363 300-14.4k bps Classic Commodore pages at: http://www.jps.net/foxnhare/commodore.html 01000011 01001111 01001101 01010000 01010101 01010100 01000101 01010010 01010011

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^X (was: an odd question

by dittman＠dittman.net

> Control G is Bell. Some older electronic keyboards, including the one on > the Apple ][ have the word 'Bell' on the 'G' key. Actually, ^G is BEL (just three characters). In order: NUL, SOH, STX, ETX, EOT, ENQ, ACK, BEL, BS, HT, LF, VT, FF, CR, SO, SI, DLE, DC1, DC2, DC3, DC4, NAK, SYN, ETB, CAN, EM, SUB, ESC, FS, GS, RS, US, SP, and DEL. Eight-bit ASCII (at least DEC's implementation) added: IND, NEL, SSA, ESA, HTS, HTJ, VTS, PLD, PLU, RI, SS2, SS3, DCS, PU1, PU2, STS, CCH, MW, SPA, EPA, CSI, ST, OSC, PM, and APC. > ^Q (Xon), ^R (Yon), ^S (Xoff), ^T (Yoff). > > Am I the only person here who instinctively uses ^S to halt screen output > and ^Q to restart it? I rarely ever use anything other than ^S/^Q, except on a VTxxx terminal, where I will in the odd instance use the "Hold Screen" key. I'll also often use ^[ for ESC. -- Eric Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net School Zones: Man's attempt to thwart natural selection.

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Central Florida Computer Junk Fest !

by cmcmanis＠mcmanis.com

How could you not know what its worth? If its yours then you know how much its worth to "keep it" and thus anything more than that is a what its worth for someone to take it off your hands. Now I can understand if you're struggling with the issue of wanting to keep it but external forces such as spouses, storage requirements etc, are forcing you to part with it. Then the question of how much would it take before I would part with this jewel becomes more difficult to answer. If the question was actually, "However, I don't know what the maximum amount of money a single individual would pay for this system in this condition." Then the _only_ way to answer that question is to put it on Ebay which has a reasonably large sample size of people who might be interested in that system and are prepared to pay for it. Finally, the meta-issue is, if you're actually asking the second question then you shouldn't take it to a group of like minded individuals swapping "junk." You'll never get the "Ebay price" at a hamfest or a boot sale or junkfest, the market segment is large enough and there is generally no mechanism for adjusting the price dynamically. --Chuck At 08:12 AM 8/12/01 -0400, you wrote: > I have computer that's mounted in box that's slightly larger than a > shoebox that contains a PDP-11/23 CPU, 8" floppy drive, hard drive along > with RAM, I/O etc. It has RSX-11M installed. I'm debating bringing it to > the junk fest. However I have no idea what it's worth. > Joe

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CF Computer Junk Fest

by Glenatacme＠aol.com

Greetings: I've volunteered to have the Junk Fest on the property where my computer shop is. I'm looking forward to it and hope that it's successful enough to happen again on a regular basis (either at my place or somewhere else). Central Florida needs more of this kind of action, IMHO, and I'm glad to be able to help. For those who aren't aware, this event will take place on Saturday, Sept. 8, starting at 9 AM. I'd like to ask everyone who's planning on bringing stuff for sale, trade, etc. to email me ASAP so that I have some idea how many of you there are. DO NOT email to my return address, but to acme_ent(a)bellsouth.net. Upon receipt of your email I'll drop you a note including exact directions to the shop. I'd also like to ask that everyone keep the PC-related items to a minimum: please don't bring a van full of 386s (and if you do, please don't abandon them -- or anything else --in my parking lot after the event is over). Also, DON'T arrive expecting to sell brand-new PC items, since this is what I sell in my store and I don't need the competition ;>) Hopefully we'll have a nice crowd and a lot of fun. Please send your comments, suggestions, gripes, etc., to my bellsouth.net address. Regards, Glen 0/0

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VCF 5.0 Exhibitors Wanted!

by vcf＠siconic.com

Are you exhibiting at VCF 5.0? http://www.vintage.org/2001/main/exhibit.php Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org

24 years, 4 months

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PDP11/84 up for grabs

by anheier＠owt.com

I have a PDP11/84 (H7204) chassis available with the following boards: M8190 - no cpu M8191 N8637 M7556 M7547 M7860 M7860 M3105 M8789 M9202 M8648 M9302 M9049 unlabeled board The chassis has the power supply, no cables. The front PDP panel has some scratches and cracks. Operational condition is unknown, but the boards and chassis look to be in great shape. Please contact me DIRECTLY with your offer. Buyer pays shipping from postal code 99352 at around 100 lbs. Thanks Norm Anheier anheier(a)owt.com

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^X (was: an odd question

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

The ^mumble predates micros. I remember using ^O, ^S and ^X for PDP-8 in '69 and the notation was existant then. Allison -----Original Message----- From: Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) <cisin(a)xenosoft.com> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Thursday, August 09, 2001 12:52 PM Subject: ^X (was: an odd question >On Thu, 9 Aug 2001, Master of all that Sucks wrote: >> Well, MS-DOS 1.0 was doing it long before WordStar. > >"Everybody" was doing it long before EITHER. > >But, ... how could MS-DOS 1.00 (August 4 or 11, 1981) do it "long before" >Wordstar, which was running under CP/M for many years before the existence >of MS-DOS? > >-- >Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin(a)xenosoft.com > > >

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PDP 11/84's - any interest?

by bill_r＠inetnebr.com

A local computer scrapper has invited me out to look at some stuff he's got before he strips it and ships it out this weekend. He described it as a "rack full of PDP/84's with tape backups". He thinks there are three systems in the rack, and he mentioned that it was used for some sort of telephone switching system. Does anybody have any interest in saving this stuff? Bill Richman bill_r(a)inetnebr.com http://incolor.inetnebr.com/bill_r Home of Fun with Molten Metal, technological oddities, and the original COSMAC Elf computer simulator!

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HP-85A problems..dead CPU?

by Chris＠omtsalvage.com

I put my 85A back together today after fixing the power supply..Now it seems to be DOA from a short circuit caused by a misaligned flexprint strip connecting the PSU to the CPU board. The symptoms are: The CRT works, but no characters are displayed. Typing on the keyboard does not produce text either. The chip on the left rear of the CPU board, just in front of the two flexprint cables leading to the ROM drawer, gets rather hot almost immediately. None of the other chips exhibit this heat problem. This chip is marked "IMA8 0101 82055 SINGAPORE", and I believe it is the CPU because of the connection to the ROM drawer. One of the pins on this chip is connected to one of the traces on the flexprint involved in the short. Questions: Does anybody have a schematic for the 85? If this is the CPU, what pins should I be looking at for the clock? If the chip is shot, is there any way to get a replacement, or do I have to cannibalize another 85? mailto:Chris@omtsalvage.com

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LISP for VAX/VMS?

by zaft＠azstarnet.com

Does anyone know where I can find LISP for VAX/VMS? I want LISP on my 4000/60....

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Badly Warped Boards

by jss＠subatomix.com

I've come across a UNIBUS board that is seriously warped -- so badly warped that some of the components directly on the curve have snapped in half. I've seen others like it during various scrapyard excursions. What causes this deformation? Can it be repaired? -- Jeffrey S. Sharp jss(a)subatomix.com

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Central Florida Computer Junk Fest !

by Glenatacme＠aol.com

In a message dated 8/11/01 11:00:45 AM Eastern Daylight Time, pdp11(a)bellsouth.net writes: << I'm in Sanford (just north of Orlado), Sounds like a personal problem to me ;>) << so this sounds cool. Come on down! << It would be nice if somebody other than me showed up with some DEC PDP stuff :) I hope so too. << I am sure I have some PC bits and maybe a few Sun bits to get rid of. Look for my post on ccmp regarding the PC stuff. << BTW: glenatacme? Which Acme are you at? >> We are: ACME Discount Computers 5511 W. Colonial Drive Orlando, FL 32808 (407) 296-2333 Serving you since '92.

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any Onyx Z8000s out there?

by h.wolter＠sympatico.ca

I remember from my highschool days, the local Computerland (remember those?) had a lovely Onyx Z8000 machine that ran some flavor of unix. I seem to recall it had most of the unix commands available on the local university's PDP11/45 running v7, and that the architecture somewhat resembled a PDP11... Anyone have this machine? It was strictly a business box - serial ports, no bitmapped video, no video at all. It must have been in the early 80's when Apple II's were in vogue (and cost $CDN3000) and the Onyx was $CDN30K.. I could only find this blurb on a google search: a.. 1980:Onyx introduces the Onyx C8002 microcomputer. It features a Zilog Z8000 microprocessor, 256KB RAM, tape backup, hard disk, serial ports for eight users, and running Unix, for US$20,000. It is the first microcomputer featuring an implementation of Unix. cheers, Heinz

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recent additions

by KenzieM＠sympatico.ca

I recently filled the car with these: Apollo DOMAIN Series 3500 Domain series 3000 model 3010 HP/Apollo series 400 (2) Sun 3/60 + tape drive and tapes Sun 3/50 Apple lisa 2 (2) apple II Ci Mac SE/30 with radius monitor Mac color classic Quadra 610 Quadra 800 Quadra 860 power mac 7200/90 Also available was a volker Craig terminal, and a copy apple's unix I also have "quite a pile of HP 712/715/725s in various condition" for me to pick up when I get some space cleared. IKEA has said that the missing piece to complete the shelving will be delayed another 3 weeks, and my wife says no more machines until the shelves are up!

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QBUS SCSI - Alpha Trade?

by dittman＠dittman.net

Is anyone with a good spare QBUS SCSI controller interested in trading for a low-end Alpha? I'd also be interested in a DSSI-SCSI converter. -- Eric Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net DEC Enthusiasts Club: http://www.dittman.net/

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overwhelmed with paper tapes

by mranalog＠home.com

Bill said: > Anybody out there have a paper tape reader, and would be willing to > run these through and produce some kind of binary file that would be > usable with various software emulators (or useful to someone who > wanted to punch their own copies of these tapes)? I dont want them > to languish around in my garage when someone somewhere could be putting > them to use. > Bill I can also read paper tapes into my PC. The files would be raw dumps of the tapes, handy for punching copies. One of these days I'm going to sit down and write a converter that detects the file format and extracts the data, but I'm not there yet. My setup is a DATA I/O paper tape reader (fairly new compared to most paper tape readers), a DATA I/O Series 22 PROM Programmer, and the PC. Normally, using the paper tape reader with the prom programmer you have to tell the programmer what format the tape is in before it can read it into memory. I made a special 'Y' cable so that the paper tape reader can get the 24 volts it needs from the prom programmer, but the serial lines from reader goto the PC. If the tape is fan folded (and it sounds like it is) I like to stretch it out down the hallway making sure it flat before it zips through the reader, just in case.... Let me know if I can help. --Doug ========================================= Doug Coward @ home in Poulsbo, WA Analog Computer Online Museum and History Center http://www.best.com/~dcoward/analog =========================================

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What's your coolest ISA card?( was Re: IBM 5150 PC)

by amichael＠nortelnetworks.com

Does anyone know where I could find software for the Periscope card? Arlen Michaels > -----Original Message----- Fred Cisin wrote: > Periscope (by Brett Salter) had several different versions, ranging from > little clips to go into an ISA slot alongside a board, to a full lenghth > board with "write-protectable RAM" that the debugger could be loaded into. > >

24 years, 4 months

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Central Florida Computer Junk Fest !

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

Steve Robertson said "Why don't you send out an invitation to the "Central Florida Computer Junk Fest". OK. How many of you live within driving distance of central Florida? Steve and I want to have a junk fest and clear out some of our unused junk ^H^H^H^H er, ah, hidden treasures. Steve suggested that we have it on Sept 8th. Interested? Joe >See ya, SteveRob X-Originating-IP: [63.68.245.221] From: "Steve Robertson" <steven_j_robertson(a)hotmail.com> To: rigdonj(a)intellistar.net Bcc: Subject: Re: Hey Dude! Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2001 16:46:55 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: <F89i67EKRuYDlrjbudz0000104e(a)hotmail.com> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Aug 2001 20:46:56.0050 (UTC) FILETIME=[18828120:01C11F82] Joe, > Let me know what you're getting rid of. You may have something that I > can't live without! > Don't pitch the Kaypros. I gave away all the ones that I had but now > I've picked up a Kaypro 2 and I'm sort of attached to it. Do >you have > any docs or anything for them? Actually the KPs are pretty neat little boxes and I really didn't want to toss them. Just want to get some of them outta my way. I do have some of the original DOCs. Nothing technical though. Basic operators manuals, wordstar manuals, CPM manuals, Cbasic manuals, etc... I'll throw 'em in the truck when I come up. I've got some software here... Somewhere... It may take me a while to drag up it up. I'm sure if nothing else, Don Maslin or someone else on the CC list could provide a boot disk. Everything else can be downloaded from the CC archives. >Mike, Bob or Glen might want it, Bob and Glen are here in town. Hmm. I >was just thinking, we should try to get everyone together and >have a mini-swap meet. Besides you and me, Bob and Glen live here in town >and Mike lives in S. Georgia and Phil lives near Naples and I think >there's at least one other guy that lives near Tampa. I think that would be great. Maybe we could do it on Saturday Sept 8th. Everyone can throw their junk in their vehicles and we'll fight over it. Anything that doesn't get claimed, can live with you :-) > Can you tell me more about the 6800 box? > >Well... Put it this way... It's got Dual 8" floppies and total of 4K RAM. >The OS is just a "monitor" program. I also have a complete accounting >package with it but never really tried to make it do anything... It was >interfaced to antique DIABLO keyboard / printer. Let me tell you, this SOB >is primitive! It's probably worth something. I'm just tired of tripping >over it. > >I could also bring a couple of ATT UNIX boxes (wonder where they came >from) with all the docs, an ATT 6300, and some other stuff. > >Why don't you send out an invitation to the "Central Florida Computer Junk >Fest". > >See ya, SteveRob

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VAX 8700 in Madison, WI

by Antonio.Carlini＠riverstonenet.com

>If I guess right this machine used to be named "speedy". (Or was >speedy an 8600?) Anyone know how many VAX MIPS this guy cranked? A VAX 8700 was rated at 6 VUPS. A VAX 8800 (dual processor variant) came in at 12 VUPs. (I just quote 'em, I don't write 'em!) A VAX 8600 came in at about 4 VUPs. The follow on VAX 8650 came in at 6 VUPs. These are all physically large machines. There is also a VAX 8650 available on ebay at the moment (in Memphis IIRC) Antonio

24 years, 4 months

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PeeCee turns 20

by RCini＠congressfinancial.com

Hello, all: I know that the PC turns 20 this month, but does anyone know the actual date of introduction? It's tough going through August without a holiday, so I'm looking for something to celebrate :-) Rich ========================== Richard A. Cini, Jr. Congress Financial Corporation 1133 Avenue of the Americas 30th Floor New York, NY 10036 (212) 545-4402 (212) 840-6259 (facsimile)

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Now *this* is cool

by mrbill＠mrbill.net

http://surfin.spies.com/~dgc/pdp8x/ I just wish someone had a project like this that could be produced in quantity. Bill -- Bill Bradford mrbill(a)mrbill.net Austin, TX

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[80sBBS] Another Sub-Site, Another Plea for Assistance (fwd)

by jbdigriz＠dragonsweb.org

Thought I'd pass along this request for a worthy cause. How is the UUCP revival project progressing, by the way? This might be a good way to get the word out about it. If that's desired right now. The full url is http://www.textfiles.com, which is a Wiretap type archive, except more specifically BBS oriented. Scott's email is jason(a)textfiles.com jbdigriz ********************************************************************** I've started work on the other vital site needed for the documentary: A complete and total list of every BBS software package ever made for any computer. I'm already aware this task is impossible; but the least I can do is take a good shot at it so I can look at different sets of packages for a computer and do the Right Things. The Right Things, in this case, are to try and contact the original authors of the software, and reach out to any underlying communities still using the software. I'd like it if people could start taking a look at the list and let me know about gaps, or point me to locations where there's more information about the software. No sense plugging up this mailing list with those; just mail them to me. "0A- Jason Scott TEXTFILES.COM

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Unix Quote (was: Re: building a PDP11 from the things you

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On August 9, Carlos Murillo wrote: > >DCL is a very complete command language. There's a lot that can be > >done directly that require external programs in Unix shells. ... > By the way, I think that requiring external programs in Unix isn't > necessarily a disadvantage, as long as such programs are standard in > every U'x. And many are, thanks to POSIX. You're not familiar with the overhead associated with fork()/vfork(), are you Carlos. -Dave -- Dave McGuire Laurel, MD

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^X (was: an odd question

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Aug 10, 19:10, Tony Duell wrote: > ^Q (Xon), ^R (Yon), ^S (Xoff), ^T (Yoff). > > Am I the only person here who instinctively uses ^S to halt screen output > and ^Q to restart it? Certainly not: I do it all the time :-) -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

24 years, 4 months

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osborne display driver

by mcgazza7＠bigpond.com

i have recently aquired an osborne monitor. when win 95 boots up, the win95 logo with the clouds looks like it is in at least 16 bit colour mode, but after that, the screen resets back to 16 colour mode. i can't change the colour mode to more than 16 colours when using the standard display driver that comes with win 95, and i can't find an osborne display driver on the net. Does anyone know where i can find an osborne driver or what other drivers would be compatible with osborne.

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an odd question

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Aug 10, 8:32, Dan Wright wrote: > Kent Borg said: > > On Fri, Aug 10, 2001 at 08:34:24AM +0000, Pete Turnbull wrote: > > > ^ as a pipe still works in 'sh' (Bourne shell) but not in 'ksh' (Korn > > > shell). I don't know about 'bash'. > > > > Cool! ...but it doesn't work for me on a Red Hat 7.0 machine: > > That's 'cause linux systems (well, most; I know redhat does for sure) use > "bash" as "sh". > > However, it doesn't work on IRIX 6.5.10 either... though it DOES work on > solaris 8. huh... >From IRIX 6.5, 'sh' is actually 'ksh' so it's not Bourne shell either. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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^X (was: an odd question

by IVIE＠cc.usu.edu

Eric Dittman wrote: > I rarely ever use anything other than ^S/^Q, except on a VTxxx terminal, > where I will in the odd instance use the "Hold Screen" key. I'll also > often use ^[ for ESC. ^[ doesn't work on Televideo terminals. Some bright soul writing the firmware seems to have decided that, since the terminal has a perfectly good ESCape key, no one would _ever_ want to use ^[. When you hit ^[ on a Televideo, you get ^] ([ and ] are on the same key; you should have had to hit SHIFT to get ^]). This was really annoying to me when I was moving between keyboards a lot and picked up the habit of hitting ^[ in vi because I couldn't depend on the location of the ESCape key (or even it's existence; I used a lot of VT220s and other DEC systems which used the LK201 keyboard). Roger Ivie ivie(a)cc.usu.edu

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an odd question

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Aug 9, 18:33, Sean 'Captain Napalm' Conner wrote: > The ^ was used on early shells as an alternative to the | character (and > this works under Xenix on the Tandy-6000). I don't think it's supported > anymore (much like @ to erase a line is no longer used). ^ as a pipe still works in 'sh' (Bourne shell) but not in 'ksh' (Korn shell). I don't know about 'bash'. @ to erase a line is a different issue; that's a function of stty (the norm these days is ctrl-U), like DEL vs ctrl-C. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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DEC 3000 trouble

by owad＠applefritter.com

This is likely off-topic - I have no idea how old the DEC 3000 is - but I'm hoping it will fall cool hardware exception. I think its either a model 600 or 700. At any rate, its very large and is a tower design. I have not yet used the system and am trying to get it to boot. I do not have a keyboard, mouse, or monitor for it, so I need to connect via terminal, but am having som trouble. For a terminal, I am using an Apple Powerbook G4 with ZTerm set to 9600, 8, n, 1. I'm using a Keyspan USB-Serial adapter and a null modem adapter. I've connected my "terminal" to the 25 pin printer serial port on the DEC 3000. I power up the DEC, it does its whirling and spinning up, but I never get anything at all on my terminal. I've tried booting with the S3 switch (whicdh I understand is supposed to change from kb/ mouse/monitor to console mode) in both directions, but to no avail. The LED on the front reads "FD". It's possible that the RAM I have installed (which I got from another DEC 3000) is not appropriate for the system. Any suggestions on what I need to do to get this to work are very much appreciated. This is completely out of my area of expertise and I hate to keep power cycling the DEC while I experiment. Thanks! Tom Applefritter www.applefritter.com

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an odd question

by Lee.Davison＠merlincommunications.com

would be this bunch... where did the convention of using "^x" to represent "Ctrl-x" come from? I wonder because you see that convention everywhere, but I don't know where it started but when I was in school, a while ago now, we had a teletype and a dial up to the local university to, I think, a PDP11. Anyway backspace was always echoed as ^h and break as ^c. I don't recall ever seeing any other control codes printed and some weren't. Control G would ring the bell, a real one - not a bleep, for instance. Lee. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- This email is intended only for the above named addressee(s). The information contained in this email may contain information which is confidential. The views expressed in this email are personal to the sender and do not in any way reflect the views of the company. If you have received this email and you are not a named addressee please delete it from your system and contact Merlin Communications International IT Department on +44 20 7344 5888. _____________________________________________________________________ This message has been checked for all known viruses by Star Internet delivered through the MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service. For further information visit http://www.star.net.uk/stats.asp or alternatively call Star Internet for details on the Virus Scanning Service.

24 years, 4 months

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VAX 8700 in Madison, WI

by jfoust＠threedee.com

I saw an "offer to sell" on the wall at UW-Madison Surplus that's selling a VAX 8700. See: http://www.compaq.com/alphaserver/vax/archive/vax8700.html http://www.bussvc.wisc.edu/swap/ots023759.html It says "VAX 8700 Computer, Approx 9' 8" X 5' 1" X 2' 6" . Model H9652-EA, H9CAB-BA, 87XBA-XA Single. Manufacturer's Serial Number's, ASQ1064, CX70905010, NI70600771. This computer takes up an entire room, but is disassemblable. NOT ON WHEELS High bid gets it on August 15. See wisc.edu link above; I'm not selling it. - John

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PDP 11/84's - any interest?

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> > A local computer scrapper has invited me out to look at some stuff > > he's got before he strips it and ships it out this weekend. He > > described it as a "rack full of PDP/84's with tape backups". He > > thinks there are three systems in the rack, and he mentioned that it > > was used for some sort of telephone switching system. Does anybody > > have any interest in saving this stuff? > > > > Bill Richman > > bill_r(a)inetnebr.com > > http://incolor.inetnebr.com/bill_r > > > > Home of Fun with Molten Metal, technological > > oddities, and the original COSMAC Elf > > computer simulator! > > > > Hell... yes. Where's the stuff out? If it's local to the poster, Nebraska... -dq

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OC71 - crystal set

by gm0kma＠yahoo.co.uk

Hello folks .. apologies for the 'sporadic' inquiry - I pulled the text below ## off a search ... crystal set / OC71 amp ..... Have searched FAR WIDE and ENDLESSLY for this circuit (and the book containing it which I borrowed from a library, ca. 1968) and dutifully returned. If you have any pointers these would be most gratefully received !! I have located a *similar* circuit at http://home.t-online.de/home/gollum/dt.htm mine had one output transformer, 2 OC71s (well, lots were burned in the process) and was constructed on a terminal block .... ah ! the nostalgia ! I shall attempt to mail this message also into discussion group cheers Glenn, GM0KMA Scotland ########### Subject: radio kits From: Adrian Graham (agraham(a)ccat.co.uk) Date: 12/13/00-05:35:01 AM Z > Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 18:39:07 +0000 (GMT) > From: ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell) > Subject: Re: Fw: Professors worry that engineering students > don't tinker > > involved). You started out making a crystal set, then added a single > audio stage (OC71), then a second stage (another OC71), then added a > loudspeaker (using an LT700 output transformer). And finally > you replaced > the crystal detector with the OC45 regenerative stage. > > I think the book is still around, even if the transistors are hard to > find now. I remember the son of a technician at a place I was > working a > few years back was building one -- I managed to find him some OC71s. > > I thought just about all UK hobbyists built this at one time > or another... Nope - I had (and still have) my Radio Shack crystal radio kit to tinker with, followed by one of the Science Fair electronics kits where you had loads of spring terminals and small jumper wires to build circuits with......I found it the other day and it was dated 1973 :) ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie

24 years, 4 months

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Funny old world...

by avickers＠solutionengineers.com

As I sit here at work, watching a program I have written consume memory at the rate of 100k/sec, it strikes me that a mere 15 years ago, I was writing programs which fit into just 16k of RAM *including* variable space... How times change... I guess I was lucky (?) to miss the really early days when a few hundred bytes were all that was available... Ah, nostalgia! -- Cheers, Ade.

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^X (was: an odd question

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> > On Thu, Aug 09, 2001 at 08:13:20PM -0600, Mark Green wrote: > > > The CDC Cyber series had many different character sets, which was a > > > major pain in the ass for anyone maintaining software for them. I > > > spent several years working on the Pascal compiler for the CDC > > > machines (the orignal implementation from ETH). > > > > Ah, back at the U of Minn, we used CDC mainframes for our programming > > classes. I tried using as much lower case as the Pascal books did, > > and that did not make things happy. > > If I remember correctly the compiler was never modified to > handle lower case letters, but I think the run-time support > could handle them. I worked on the run-time part of the > system, and I recall dealing with the various characters sets. > I also put in the ability to call PPU programs from Pacal > programs. This could also be done directly in Pascal, but > required a fair amount of knowldege and several compiler > cheats, so it wasn't recommended (which is why I did it that > way most of the time). The CDC machines were the first ones > that I used that had real parallelism, learned a hell of a > lot the hard way! I was granted access to the source for the CDC BASIC 2.1 compiler, and added ASC() and CHR() to it. I specifically coded it to handle both types of ASCII support that CDC provided- the 76 octal prefix version in which characters that mapped to display code equivalents were 6 bits, and those that didn't map to D.C. got six bits in the form of the 76 prefix and then another six bits specifying the character. The TELEX timesharing subsystem also provided another mode, that was straight ASCII, albeit 8 bits right-justified in a 12-bit byte. You'd prefix a block of data with 4000 octal and then a stream of this type of ASCII; if anything interrupted the stream while being output, TELEX would not realize it was ASCII and would just puke out display code until it saw another 4000 code. All this work was to support a cursor-addressed Star Trek game that needed to run on at least a dozen different terminal types. Regards, -dq

24 years, 4 months

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^X (was: an odd question

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: joe <rigdonj(a)intellistar.net> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> >I may be wrong but didn't the use of Control and a key begin with teletypes >and long before the arrival of computers? I know the control something was >used to ring the bell on the recieving system. Control something else Ding ding ding, you win. ^G rings the bell. However the original question was the notion of "Control and G" keys contracted to CTRL-G (tty nomenclature) to ^G. >generated the DC 1 and DC 2 codes that could be used to switch off and on >special devices on the recieving system. That too. Actually there were some 32 possible control codes, many were used. FYI that PDP-8 was an i version and the console was a tty! Allison

24 years, 4 months

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Telex 1186, Laser 128, and a hello

by glindsey＠ssinc.com

First, I'd like to say hi, as I've just joined this list after researching my old Telex 1186 and coming across archives that were almost exactly two years old. I've always had an affinity for classic systems, so I decided it made a lot of sense to join up, eh? Too bad I didn't realize how much I liked them earlier... I might've been able to stop my parents from junking an old CBM 4032 I used to play with. Anyways, the 1186 in question was the first computer I ever had, bought used for me when I was in third grade or so. A recent bout of nostalgia hit me, and I've been wondering if anyone else has had any luck finding one, or even some pictures of one on the Net... searches for "Telex 1186" only give me the aforementioned ClassicCmp archives, perusing the VCF's links list has proved fruitless, and looking for "MAD Computer" only gets me a bunch of sci-fi links. I would *love* to get one of those in my possession again; it holds a lot of great memories for me. Unfortunately, my dad sold it when we upgraded to a 286. *grumble* If I had known then that it was an 80186 machine, I might've been more inclined to keep it... but probably not, as I was about ten... Finally, would anyone be able to give me a general idea of the rarity of the Laser 128 Apple II clone? The info I've found has led me to believe it's not a particularly rare system... Thanks a lot for any help you might be able to give! I really appreciate it! GSL ***** Gregory S. Lindsey SSI Embedded Systems Programming

24 years, 4 months

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My local Goodwill

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On August 9, Arthur E. Clark wrote: > Well, I checked out my local Goodwill stores. What a waste. When I asked > about old Apples, the computer supervisor said "we refuse those." When I > asked about Sun and DEC, they looked at me like I was speaking an alien > language. A few extremely overpriced 486 & Pentium 75 systems, that's it. Here's an idea. Maybe it would be useful for some of us to leave our contact info with these places, so when they "refuse" decent stuff, they can say "but there's this person here who might be interested..." What do you think? (They refuse (or don't know anything about) the real computers and redistribute the crappy ones. Go figure.) -Dave -- Dave McGuire Laurel, MD

24 years, 4 months

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My local Goodwill

by LFessen106＠aol.com

In a message dated 8/10/01 12:50:33 AM Eastern Daylight Time, foo(a)siconic.com writes: > > Goodwills and Salvation Army's are really only good for old (and cheap) > computer books. > Actually the Salvation Army stores that I have found around PA have been quite good! One can usually find Apple, Tandy, Commodore, and the usual misc PC stuff there. A lot of it is over priced (Commodore 1541 $100???) but there are times when you can find a good deal like the Apple //e I picked up with a color monitor and 2 drives for $9.99.. Never had any luck with Goodwill either. -Linc Fessenden In The Beginning there was nothing, which exploded - Yeah right... Calculating in binary code is as easy as 01,10,11.

24 years, 4 months

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PDP-12s, anyone?

by geoff＠pkworks.com

>I finally found time to start opening up the 3 boxes of DEC docs >that were awaiting me (3 more on the way, the guy tells me), and >found a treasure trove (well, thats what I called it) of PDP-12 >documentation. Looks like a fairly complete set of marketing >brochures, specs and options lists, promotional materials, etc. >All in that nice green color. Even the DEC warranty/service card that >was supposed to be stuck on the back of the machine. Looks like >almost-complete (I havent had time to go through them thoroughly) >sets of users and system manuals as well. > >(this is all formerly from the U. of Arizona Medical Center) > >Once I get this scanned, I'll definitely want these docs to go >somewhere that has a (preferrably operational) PDP-12 and will >give these docs a good home alongside a machine.. > >Also have VR14 manual (Megan, i think this was already marked for >you? I've got multiple copies now) and a VT50 manual. Two more >boxes on my porch to go through, and three more on the way... > >Will completely catalog and post a list on decdocs.org this weekend. > >Bill > >-- >Bill Bradford >mrbill(a)mrbill.net >Austin, TX > The Retro-Computing Society of Rhode Island ( www.osfn.org/rcs ) has an operational PDP-12 - it was running Spacewar at the Vintage Computer Festival East 1.0 a couple of week ago - and we'd be delighted to make a home for those docs. I've copied this message to Mike Umbricht mikeu(a)shrimp.osfn.org ) and Carl Friend ( mikeu(a)shrimp.osfn.org ) of the RCS/RI, as they are the folks there most intimately involved with the PDP-12. For scanning the docs, consider Al Kossow's Bitsavers Project ( aek(a)spies.com , www.spies.com/~aek ), wherein he is scanning all manner of computer documentation to preserve it. If you are interested, I can coordinate the finding of the new home at the RCS/RI with scanning through Bitsavers, having done so for other things in the past.

24 years, 4 months

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DOS for S-100?

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> On Thu, 9 Aug 2001, Douglas Quebbeman wrote: > > > > >There was a Zenith MS-DOS 3.31+ that ran on the Z-150/Z-151; > > > >I can probably scare it up... > > > > > > Thanks for the offer but the 150 and higher models are completely > > > different machines from the Z-100. They use the ISA buss and are 100% IBM > > > compatible so the OS is basicly PC DOS. > > > > They're not *quite* 100% IBM compatible, e.g. power supply, and non- > > Zenith keyboard use eventually causes the CPU board to no longer > > recognize a Zenith keyboard. > > Eventually? I don't really know anything about these systems, but it seems > strange that something like that would happen only after a while of such > use. Maybe it draws more power and eventually burns out components? Please > elaborate. :-) Hey, I'm a programmer, that's a hardware question, ask Tony... Seriously, I don't know, I assumed precisely what you suggest. -dq

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VAX - DRV11 Problem

by erice＠CAE.COM

Hi, I am working on a CF-18 simulator which is based on a VAX (No need to mention that the sim is old!). I am developing some hardware to allow some automatic testing of MC (mission Computer) OFP (Operational Flight Program) software. Anyway, I am working with a DRV11 card (DMA interface for the VAX), to communicate to an FPGA (APEX20K) board which I have built. The setup is shown below. |------------------| |-----------------------| |-----------------------| | Keypad | | | | | | & |--------------------------------------| My board |-----------------------| Serial | | display | | | | Controller | |------------------| |-----------------------| |-----------------------| | | | |-----------------------| | | | VAX | | | |-----------------------| Normally the keypad and display would be connected directly, but now I can contol the data via my board. What the board does depends on the VAX commands sent to it. This way, the board can become transparent, pump data in 1 direction or the other, or just plain monitor the data. The vax can then validate that everything that is supposed to happen does, and it will become possible to write scripts to press buttons on the keypad rather than having someone push the actual button! Anyway, my problem is with the DRV11 card. (Actually I am using a DRV1-SF) I have taken the DEC supplied example driver for this card and modified it for my needs. (this works fine... I think!) The problem is that if I send several QIO calls back to back, there is a huge amount of time between the DMA transfers. What makes this even wierder, is that the delay between transfers seems to follow a pattern as follows: -- xfer data -- wait 200 us -- xfer data -- wait 1 ms -- xfer data -- wait 200 us -- xfer data -- wait 1 ms --xfer data -- wait 200 us -- ... Another quirk I seem to have is that if I pulse the ATTN line at some random time, I enter the ISR and everything runs smoothly. However, if I pulse the ATTN line just after a transfer ( within a few micro seconds) I enter the ISR for the completion interrupt, but I seem to miss the interrupt from the ATTN line if the transfer was smaller than 3 words!! I have no idea why it works for larger transfers and not for small transfers... Further if I examine the saved CSR value after an ATTN pulse was sent, I should see th ATTN bit latched, but it is not! can anyone explain this? I tried 2 cards and they both do the same thing. Anyway, any help at all would be appreciated... Eric Everton Avionics Simulation Specialist Dept. 49 Eric.Everton(a)cae.com (450) 476-4484

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^X (was: an odd question

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> -kb, the Kent who also once opened a comment before column 76 and > didn't close another comment before column 76 for many lines, causing > the intervening lines to be silently dropped. > > > P.S. Circa 1980 we even did one assignment on a punch card machine. > The physical reader was a relatively svelt machine (at least compared > to the central beasts we students could not touch), and it talked to > an impressive looking, floppy-equipped PDP-11/34, bootstrapped via the > front panel and everything. (Did they call the whole thing a Remote > Job Entry Station?) What *was* that record separator card? A 6-7-8 > overpunch? What was the job separator card?? On the Cybers, 6/7/8 was EOR (end-of-record), and 6/7/8/9 was EOI (end-of-information). I suppose that's what you mean by "job separator"). -dq

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My local Goodwill

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 8/10/01 12:59:01 AM Eastern Daylight Time, foo(a)siconic.com writes: << On Thu, 9 Aug 2001, Tom Owad wrote: > About three years ago I got a really nice TI-99/4a with the expansion > box and several boxes of books, software, and accessories at the > Goodwill in York for around $30, but that was all I ever got there. > > The Salvation Army in York used to get Apple and 8 bit micro stuff > pretty regularly, but now have absolutely nothing worth looking at. > > There are two Goodwills in Harrisburg that I've been to (both only > once). > One was pretty poor, but the other might be worth looking at as they > had a good shelf of computer books and manuals. (I wish I could > remember which store was which.) In my experience, the only thrift stores worth going to for hardware are the chains, like Thrift Town, Thrift Center, etc. At least that is the case here in California and also in Raleigh, NC, where I spent a lot of time a couple years ago. Sellam Ismail >> Unfortunately, here in raleigh, things have pretty much dried up as well. I remember I used to find neat stuff, like my PCRT and platinum apple //e system. I did find an atari 1200xl in the box some time ago that I hid, and was going to get later, but somehow someone beat me to it. My latest addition was my IBM S/36 pc and 5150 controller but that was in the spring. Even my favourite IBM PS/2s are getting hard to find. -- DB Young Team OS/2 old computers, hot rod pinto and more at: www.nothingtodo.org

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overwhelmed with paper tapes

by pjschilling＠gcstech.net

Bill, I have a tape reader and if you don't mind it taking a little while, I would run those through. I am swamped and may take a couple of weeks to a month to get done. Phil -----Original Message----- From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org [mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Bill Bradford Sent: Friday, August 10, 2001 2:55 AM To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Subject: overwhelmed with paper tapes Couldnt sleep, so I dug into the other two boxes. Looks like a complete doc set for at least one version of RSX-11, more MAINDECs, and lots more paper tapes. I've got at least five full translucent blue trays full of various paper tapes at this point. Anybody out there have a paper tape reader, and would be willing to run these through and produce some kind of binary file that would be usable with various software emulators (or useful to someone who wanted to punch their own copies of these tapes)? I dont want them to languish around in my garage when someone somewhere could be putting them to use. Bill -- Bill Bradford mrbill(a)mrbill.net Austin, TX

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overwhelmed with paper tapes

by CAA007216＠mail.ono.es

I'd like to work over some of this stuff with the objective you mention, but sadly I haven't (yet) one paper tape reader. Regards Sergio > Anybody out there have a paper tape reader, and would be willing to > run these through and produce some kind of binary file that would be > usable with various software emulators (or useful to someone who > wanted to punch their own copies of these tapes)? I dont want them > to languish around in my garage when someone somewhere could be > puttingthem to use.

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overwhelmed with paper tapes

by mrbill＠mrbill.net

Couldnt sleep, so I dug into the other two boxes. Looks like a complete doc set for at least one version of RSX-11, more MAINDECs, and lots more paper tapes. I've got at least five full translucent blue trays full of various paper tapes at this point. Anybody out there have a paper tape reader, and would be willing to run these through and produce some kind of binary file that would be usable with various software emulators (or useful to someone who wanted to punch their own copies of these tapes)? I dont want them to languish around in my garage when someone somewhere could be putting them to use. Bill -- Bill Bradford mrbill(a)mrbill.net Austin, TX

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PDP-12s, anyone?

by mrbill＠mrbill.net

I finally found time to start opening up the 3 boxes of DEC docs that were awaiting me (3 more on the way, the guy tells me), and found a treasure trove (well, thats what I called it) of PDP-12 documentation. Looks like a fairly complete set of marketing brochures, specs and options lists, promotional materials, etc. All in that nice green color. Even the DEC warranty/service card that was supposed to be stuck on the back of the machine. Looks like almost-complete (I havent had time to go through them thoroughly) sets of users and system manuals as well. (this is all formerly from the U. of Arizona Medical Center) Once I get this scanned, I'll definitely want these docs to go somewhere that has a (preferrably operational) PDP-12 and will give these docs a good home alongside a machine.. Also have VR14 manual (Megan, i think this was already marked for you? I've got multiple copies now) and a VT50 manual. Two more boxes on my porch to go through, and three more on the way... Will completely catalog and post a list on decdocs.org this weekend. Bill -- Bill Bradford mrbill(a)mrbill.net Austin, TX

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UC04 configuration

by CAA007216＠mail.ono.es

> If it works in a vax it should work in a PDP. > --Chuck Yes :-) In fact it does (I think). My problem is that I haven't documentation for this board. The docs related with the UC07-08 appears to be useful, but there is a point where I can't advance. The practical object of study is the installation of Unix 2.11BSD into my PDP-11/23 PLUS. The lights in the board tells me that the disk is being accessed by the Unix Installation Program. But, when I tells Unix to install over ra(0,0,0) device, it takes a little time while the lights in the board bright during a few seconds, an finally... nothing: no lights, etc. The device appears that could be addressable and works in the PDP machine, right, but I'm stopped. I believe it could be neeeded to access some kind of formatting program in the rom of the board. I saw how to do it with one UC07-08 in one Vax environment, but I'll very happy if anybody knows how to manage the UC04 in this way. Thanks and Best Regards Sergio

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an odd question

by dtwright＠uiuc.edu

not sure if this is exactly on-topic, but I figure if anyone would know, it would be this bunch... where did the convention of using "^x" to represent "Ctrl-x" come from? I wonder because you see that convention everywhere, but it's totally non-intuitave -- i.e. why does the carat symbol mean "hold control while pressing the following key"? I think this came up because someone pointed out that using pine the first time was really hard until they figured out what "^" meant. so, anyone know where that convention came from? - Dan Wright (dtwright(a)uiuc.edu) (http://www.uiuc.edu/~dtwright) -] ------------------------------ [-] -------------------------------- [- ``Weave a circle round him thrice, / And close your eyes with holy dread, For he on honeydew hath fed, / and drunk the milk of Paradise.'' Samuel Taylor Coleridge, Kubla Khan

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an odd question

by lance＠costanzo.net

At 09:25 AM 8/9/01 -0500, John F wrote: >At 09:15 AM 8/9/01 -0500, Messick, Gary wrote: >>I know some of the older software such as MBASIC for CP/M, and maybe even >>earlier stuff, used to OUTPUT a ^C when the user type a Ctrl-C. > >I remember RSTS timesharing systems doing that >even before CP/M. I thought I remembered it from RSTS/E, and maybe even before that with CDC ITS, but things blend together from those days... It may be a pseudo-mathematical symbolism from some programming languages; 3^2 = 9, i.e. you're raising the C key. (You're bluffing, I'll ^ you 10).

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UC04 configuration

by CAA007216＠mail.ono.es

Hello. Somebody knows how to configure one Emulex UC04 (with one SCSI disk of 1GB connected) to work in one PDP-11/23 PLUS ? Thanks in advance. Greetings and Best Regards from Spain Sergio

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Unix Quote (was: Re: building a PDP11 from the things you

by dittman＠dittman.net

> Zane: Yes, it is true that many people think that modern OS's should > follow Unix' path. I'll agree with you in that Unix is not the only > sensible model, and I'll even concede that OpenVMS is another such > model. But you'll have to work to persuade me that DCL is cool. DCL is a very complete command language. There's a lot that can be done directly that require external programs in Unix shells. -- Eric Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net School Zones: Man's attempt to thwart natural selection.

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an odd question

by uban＠ubanproductions.com

The unix shell has used the ^C nomenclature since I can remember, which goes back to version 6 on PDP 11s. --tom > -----Original Message----- > From: Dan Wright [mailto:dtwright@uiuc.edu] > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 8:47 AM > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: an odd question > > > not sure if this is exactly on-topic, but I figure if anyone > would know, it > would be this bunch... where did the convention of using > "^x" to represent > "Ctrl-x" come from? I wonder because you see that convention > everywhere, but > it's totally non-intuitave -- i.e. why does the carat symbol > mean "hold control > while pressing the following key"? I think this came up > because someone > pointed out that using pine the first time was really hard > until they figured > out what "^" meant. so, anyone know where that convention came from? > > - Dan Wright > (dtwright(a)uiuc.edu) > (http://www.uiuc.edu/~dtwright) > > -] ------------------------------ [-] > -------------------------------- [- > ``Weave a circle round him thrice, / And close your eyes with > holy dread, > For he on honeydew hath fed, / and drunk the milk of Paradise.'' > Samuel Taylor Coleridge, Kubla Khan >

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LISP machine is GONE

by ip500＠home.com

A semi-local list member snagged it tonight. Going to a good home! Craig

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LISP machine for sale

by ip500＠home.com

Anyone interested in a TI Explorer II machine? It's complete and running .. includes the keyboard [marked as a special LISP model], monitor and two outboard disk drives. Way to heavy to ship at a reasonable price [but it is probably shippable] .. pickup strongly prefered in the Roanoke, VA area. It came as part of a sealed bid lot ..I figure I've got about $100 in it. Craig Smith

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Central Florida Computer Junk Fest !

by ken＠seefried.com

It's a bit of a drive, but I'm in Atlanta. That might be fun. Ken

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What's your coolest ISA card?

by jeff.kaneko＠juno.com

On Wed, 08 Aug 2001 14:51:02 GMT "Ken Seefried" <ken(a)seefried.com> writes: > A company called Opus made a number of ISA cards with interesting > coprocessors. I used to have an Opus 32000 ISA card, a National > Semi 32016 coprocessor. It unfortunately got tossed out by a careless > girlfriend a decade ago Stoppit! Stoppit! I can't take this anymore!! I'm gonna absolutely *die* if I hear about another 32k system *tossed*! There was another 32k coprocessor effort featured in the Micro Cornucopia in 1986. I *so* wanted one of these, but the project died on the vine . . . > (along with my unbuilt PC532 kit...sigh). AHHHGHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!! ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

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Unix Quote (was: Re: building a PDP11 from the things you find at home)

by ken＠seefried.com

From: Carlos Murillo <cmurillo(a)emtelsa.multi.net.co> > "He who doesn't comprehend UNIX is destined to redesign it poorly." > Does anybody know the origin of this quote? Henry Spencer. He also said "If you lie to the compiler, it will get its revenge", which I think is pretty funny, too. Oh, yeah...and his 10 Commandments of C Programmers is gospel. Helluva guy. Ken

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What's your coolest ISA card?

by fmc＠reanimators.org

joe <rigdonj(a)intellistar.net> wrote (after someone else): > > > Stoppit! Stoppit! I can't take this anymore!! I'm gonna absolutely *die* > > > if I hear about another 32k system *tossed*! > > Rumor has it that Steve is going to bring his AT&T 3B2s to the junk > fest in Orlando. I think they have 32k CPUs. No, they have Western Electric...umm, 32100? processors. Not National Semi. -Frank McConnell

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DOS for S-100?

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> >There was a Zenith MS-DOS 3.31+ that ran on the Z-150/Z-151; > >I can probably scare it up... > > > Thanks for the offer but the 150 and higher models are completely > different machines from the Z-100. They use the ISA buss and are 100% IBM > compatible so the OS is basicly PC DOS. They're not *quite* 100% IBM compatible, e.g. power supply, and non- Zenith keyboard use eventually causes the CPU board to no longer recognize a Zenith keyboard. But that would be picking nits... -dq

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IBM SIMMS question

by csclement＠mediaone.net

p/n 68x6356 is a 32mbsimm that is all i know it isnot 4mb according to where i confirmed

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3270 emulation hardware

by red＠bears.org

Hi; I have a few IBM 3270 emulation cards which sport BNC cable attachments. What cabling standard does this describe, and how can I connect it to my existing twinaxial cable plant? ok r.

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DOS for S-100?

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

At 07:02 PM 8/8/01 -0400, you wrote: > > At 01:10 PM 8/7/01 -0700, you wrote: > > >On Tue, 7 Aug 2001, joe wrote: > > > > FWIW You could get MS-DOS versions 1.25, 2.1(something) and 3.1 >for > > > > the Zenith Z-100. There's also a guy out there that wrote a program to > > > > patch PC-DOS 4.0 to run on the Z-100. > > > > > >Is there a 3.31 available for it? > > > > > > Not that I know of. MS-DOS 3.1 was the highest version that Zenith > > released for it. The PC-DOs 4 is a private effort by John Beyers > > <http://members.home.net/johnbeyers/hz100.htm>. > > > >There was a Zenith MS-DOS 3.31+ that ran on the Z-150/Z-151; >I can probably scare it up... Thanks for the offer but the 150 and higher models are completely different machines from the Z-100. They use the ISA buss and are 100% IBM compatible so the OS is basicly PC DOS. Joe >-dq

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an odd question

by kapteynr＠cboe.com

I don't have the detailed history available to me now, but -- didn't WordStar run under CP/M long before MS-DOS was created ? -----Original Message----- From: Master of all that Sucks [SMTP:vance@ikickass.org] Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 9:56 AM To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: an odd question Well, MS-DOS 1.0 was doing it long before WordStar. Peace... Sridhar On Thu, 9 Aug 2001, Jeff Hellige wrote: > on 8/9/01 9:47 AM, Dan Wright at dtwright(a)uiuc.edu wrote: > > not sure if this is exactly on-topic, but I figure if anyone would know, it > > would be this bunch... where did the convention of using "^x" to represent > > "Ctrl-x" come from? I wonder because you see that convention everywhere, but > > it's totally non-intuitave -- i.e. why does the carat symbol mean "hold > > control > > while pressing the following key"? I think this came up because someone > > pointed out that using pine the first time was really hard until they figured > > out what "^" meant. so, anyone know where that convention came from? > > I believe Wordstar used to display the control sequences for cut and > pasting and other block move type commands in that format in it's menus. > I'm almost positive that versions of Worstar I was using on XT-clones in the > mid-80's were like that. At the time, quite a large number of text editors, > including those included with programs such as TurboBasic, used the Wordstar > commands and conventions as well. > > Jeff >

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Wanted ASR-33 in Washington DC area

by bills＠adrenaline.com

Since this tactic seems to have worked for Kent Borg in Boston... I'd really like to get an ASR-33 myself, as that was my first encounter with a computer. I've tried a number of hamfests etc. ... no dice. I have a fair collection of "vintage" hardware... I might even consider parting with a few bits of OSI gear. Thanks, Bill Sudbrink

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an odd question

by jfoust＠threedee.com

At 09:15 AM 8/9/01 -0500, Messick, Gary wrote: >I know some of the older software such as MBASIC for CP/M, and maybe even >earlier stuff, used to OUTPUT a ^C when the user type a Ctrl-C. I sent a note to Tom Jennings about this. Perhaps he has an answer. For his delightfully detailed history of character sets, visit http://www.wps.com/texts/codes/index.html . - John

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DOS for S-100?

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> At 01:10 PM 8/7/01 -0700, you wrote: > >On Tue, 7 Aug 2001, joe wrote: > > > FWIW You could get MS-DOS versions 1.25, 2.1(something) and 3.1 for > > > the Zenith Z-100. There's also a guy out there that wrote a program to > > > patch PC-DOS 4.0 to run on the Z-100. > > > >Is there a 3.31 available for it? > > > Not that I know of. MS-DOS 3.1 was the highest version that Zenith > released for it. The PC-DOs 4 is a private effort by John Beyers > <http://members.home.net/johnbeyers/hz100.htm>. > There was a Zenith MS-DOS 3.31+ that ran on the Z-150/Z-151; I can probably scare it up... -dq

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Now *this* is cool

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> On Mon, 6 Aug 2001, Gunther Schadow wrote: > > > > Re-implementations of PDPs, VAXen or other computers are one thing, > > also new IO modules for old computers are another > interesting use are > > conceivable. > > That's right. For each part, there will come a time when there are no > more original, functioning instances. Our ability to continue the > tradition will then lie in our ability to put something else in their > place. Right, Jeff. And this was a conversation I meant to finish with Tony Duell. I made a remark about the speed I was seeing in a particular simulator of old iron as run on a 233MHz Pentium-1 PC. Tony remarked that he didn't have a machine of the host class (the Pentium-1 PC), so the simulator was therefore not available to him, but that it didn't matter much to him because he prefers the *real* original iron anyway. And that's fine... I too, would love to own a Cyber 172, but even if I ever find one (doubtfull), I wouldn't be able to afford to turn it on even one time. So I wouldn't be able to enjoy it as a *computer*, but rather as an *object* (d'art or whatever). I suppose for someone who didn't have a history with a particular machine, that is, an old beast like a CDC 6600 or similar, that being able to recreate the *software* environment by having a simulator just doesn't mean much. But for mean, it means everything. The operating system and the language translators and utilities were my points of familiarity as a programmer; again, had I been an engineer on one of these systems, having something I could bootstrap might be less important. Now, the FPGA route is even better than a simulator, of course, because it's faster. Also, getting real old peripherals to work with a re- implemented CPU is also promising- in many cases, the FPGA board could be set in open space in old iron and the system be made to appear operational even if not! Oops, time for more coffee... -dq

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an odd question

by Gary.Messick＠itt.com

I think Wordstar pre-dates MS-DOS by more than a few years ;) Gary > -----Original Message----- > From: Master of all that Sucks [mailto:vance@ikickass.org] > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 9:56 AM > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: an odd question > > > > Well, MS-DOS 1.0 was doing it long before WordStar. > > Peace... Sridhar > > On Thu, 9 Aug 2001, Jeff Hellige wrote: > > > on 8/9/01 9:47 AM, Dan Wright at dtwright(a)uiuc.edu wrote: > > > not sure if this is exactly on-topic, but I figure if > anyone would know, it > > > would be this bunch... where did the convention of using > "^x" to represent > > > "Ctrl-x" come from? I wonder because you see that > convention everywhere, but > > > it's totally non-intuitave -- i.e. why does the carat > symbol mean "hold > > > control > > > while pressing the following key"? I think this came up > because someone > > > pointed out that using pine the first time was really > hard until they figured > > > out what "^" meant. so, anyone know where that > convention came from? > > > > I believe Wordstar used to display the control > sequences for cut and > > pasting and other block move type commands in that format > in it's menus. > > I'm almost positive that versions of Worstar I was using on > XT-clones in the > > mid-80's were like that. At the time, quite a large number > of text editors, > > including those included with programs such as TurboBasic, > used the Wordstar > > commands and conventions as well. > > > > Jeff > > >

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HP 9000/226

by optimus＠canit.se

Went to the junkyard with a mate today and found (well, stepped on) an ugly HP something. It's a HP 9000 (Yay!) 226 (?h?), which is a clumsy box with a small CRT and a 5?" floppy as well as an integrated keyboard. This unit had been retired from the telemonopoly (well, all the stickers date back to that time), which ad apparently modified it into some kind of luggable workstation by putting a biug brass handle which seems to have come off a door on one side of the unit. Apart from the handle, it has been equipped with an RS-232 interface and additional memory cards, adding up to roughly 1,7 MB. The unit powers up fine, the screen looks nice, but the keyboard has been massacred, with five or six keys missing. But now what? The system is looking for a system. What system does it run, and is software obtainable anywhere? -- En ligne avec Thor 2.6a. Computer programmers know how to use their hardware.

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NS32000 & PC532 (was: Re: What's your coolest ISA card?)

by ken＠seefried.com

Very educational thread. Didn't know that BBC had a 32000 coprocessor. I mildly collect old 32000 gear, so if you want to see them go to a good home, let me know. Especially an MG-1 (:-)), although I'd really like to find a Ceres-2 or Ceres-3 (built at ETH Switzerland, used by Niklaus Wirth for a lot of the development of Oberon). Oh, yeah...and another Heurikon VME532 or parts of same would *really* help out a bunch! From: Jeff L Kaneko <jeff.kaneko(a)juno.com> >> (along with my unbuilt PC532 kit...sigh). > AHHHGHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!! You aren't kindding. It only took me a decade to replace that box (only a few months ago). I'd like to find another one. From: Bill Gunshannon <bill(a)cs.scranton.edu> > I still have one of these Opus cards. What's it worth?? Do you still have the software? From: Sellam Ismail <foo(a)siconic.com> > No, but I've got an 32016 S-100 CPU board :) Ouch! That fired a long dormant brain cell. I remember that board. From: "Iggy Drougge" <optimus(a)canit.se> > All right, let's educate the ignorant; what exactly is a PC532? It's a completely public domain computer design done by two NS engineers, George Scolaro and Dave Rand, in the late '80s. 25MHz 32532 processor (MMU built in), 32381 FPU, 8 serial ports, 2 scsi busses, expansion bus. They published the complete hardware & software specs, and put together a few hundred kits and sold them to folks to build (a la Heathkit). I saved a bunch of pennies to buy mine. It orignally ran a port of Minix, but many of the survivors now run NetBSD. A Google search will turn up what little info survives. Ken

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Central Florida Computer Junk Fest !

by steven_j_robertson＠hotmail.com

Load 'em up. I've probably got a whole truckload of stuff looking for an new home and I don't expect to haul ANY of it home. Once I get it sorted out, I'll send a list of what's available. Let us know what kinda stuff your interested in and you might get lucky. I'm primarily interested in HP minicomputers, STD BUS systems, and Z80 development thingys. We haven't decided on a place or time yet. Obviously, we'd like to accomodate as many local collectors as possible. SteveRob >From: "Mike" <dogas(a)bellsouth.net> >Reply-To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org >To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> >Subject: Re: Central Florida Computer Junk Fest ! >Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 10:59:08 -0400 > > > From Joe: > > Steve Robertson said "Why don't you send out an invitation to the > > "Central Florida Computer Junk Fest". > > > >Hey, this is close enough for me to pack up a carload of 8-bitters too if >anyone wants some... > >;) >- Mike: dogas(a)bellsouth.net > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

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an odd question

by Gary.Messick＠itt.com

I know some of the older software such as MBASIC for CP/M, and maybe even earlier stuff, used to OUTPUT a ^C when the user type a Ctrl-C. Gary > -----Original Message----- > From: Dan Wright [mailto:dtwright@uiuc.edu] > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 8:47 AM > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: an odd question > > > not sure if this is exactly on-topic, but I figure if anyone > would know, it > would be this bunch... where did the convention of using > "^x" to represent > "Ctrl-x" come from? I wonder because you see that convention > everywhere, but > it's totally non-intuitave -- i.e. why does the carat symbol > mean "hold control > while pressing the following key"? I think this came up > because someone > pointed out that using pine the first time was really hard > until they figured > out what "^" meant. so, anyone know where that convention came from? > > - Dan Wright > (dtwright(a)uiuc.edu) > (http://www.uiuc.edu/~dtwright) > > -] ------------------------------ [-] > -------------------------------- [- > ``Weave a circle round him thrice, / And close your eyes with > holy dread, > For he on honeydew hath fed, / and drunk the milk of Paradise.'' > Samuel Taylor Coleridge, Kubla Khan >

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an odd question

by jfoust＠threedee.com

At 09:15 AM 8/9/01 -0500, Messick, Gary wrote: >I know some of the older software such as MBASIC for CP/M, and maybe even >earlier stuff, used to OUTPUT a ^C when the user type a Ctrl-C. I remember RSTS timesharing systems doing that even before CP/M. - John

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Central Florida Computer Junk Fest !

by steven_j_robertson＠hotmail.com

Louis, Since it's in Joe's backyard, I'll let him pick the location. This time of year a parking lot is probably not the best choice. I'm thinking maybe a public park or at the very least a place with some shade! Not sure but, I gotta feeling the folks at Skycraft would take exception to us posting flyers there. SteveRob >From: "Louis Schulman" <louiss(a)gate.net> >Reply-To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org >To: "classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org" <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>, "Steve >Robertson" <steven_j_robertson(a)hotmail.com> >Subject: Re: Central Florida Computer Junk Fest ! >Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 18:46:59 -0400 (EDT) > >Hi Steve, > >The Wife says: Great idea! Go on the 8th! How many tables do you >want??? > >May I suggest, that to promote more buyers to make the trip, we keep >the Saturday time and pick a location somewhere near Skycraft >Electronics? Maybe even get some flyers over there? For those of you >who don't know, Skycraft in Orlando is one of the last old-time amazing >electronics surplus stores. A real tourist destination for electronics >junkies. > >Louis > >On Wed, 08 Aug 2001 13:45:56 -0400, Steve Robertson wrote: > >#Louis, ># >#Welcome aboard. ># >#Joe's and several other collectors are in Orlando. I live in the Ft. >#Lauderdale area but will be in Orlando that weekend. Once we get a >little >#feedback, we'll set a time and place. ># >#Is Saturday September 8th OK for you? ># >#Steverob ># ># >#>From: "Louis Schulman" <louiss(a)gate.net> >#>Reply-To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org >#>To: "classiccmp-classiccmp.org" <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>, >"joe" >#><rigdonj(a)intellistar.net> >#>CC: "Glenatacme-aol.com" <Glenatacme(a)aol.com>, >#>"musicman38-mindspring.com" <musicman38(a)mindspring.com> >#>Subject: Re: Central Florida Computer Junk Fest ! >#>Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 13:25:03 -0400 (EDT) >#> >#>Hey! I am in Tampa! My wife says: You have way too much computer >#>junk! Get rid of it! >#> >#>So, count me in! You guys are in Orlando? >#> >#>Louis Schulman >#> >#>On Wed, 08 Aug 2001 09:15:11 -0400, joe wrote: >#> >#># >#># Steve Robertson said "Why don't you send out an invitation to >the >#>#"Central Florida Computer Junk Fest". ># ># >#_________________________________________________________________ >#Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at >http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ># > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

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ST Microelectronics

by Alan.Pearson＠cramersystems.com

> The same French/Italian company that bought INMOS and the > transputer. They now build the ST6 range of > microcontrollers The ST20 range (now dead?) was basically the transputer core minus the links. I don't know how long they kept that range going though, at the time that I left (mid 96) the T450 had been renamed ST20450 and was being used in a set-top box. I forget who the box was for though :-/ It's probably fair to say that the ST20450 was the last of the "real" transputers, by the time it was released to market the T9000 was still under development (did it *ever* make it out the door as a product?). I'm not sure it if was that widely used - it wasn't exactly promoted with a fanfare :-) I got the impression that ST didn't really want the ST20 though, it didn't sit well with their other microcontrollers and they were more interested in developing graphics chips at ST Bristol by the time I left. Shame. --al

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Two NICs in one machine - how?

by rhblake＠bigfoot.com

Curious if any ethernet experts are out there - I finally got my PS/2 9595-OPT server out of storage and built with WinNT4.0 and originally wanted to put two NICs in - one is a 3Com 3C523 with AUI/Coax and the other is a 3C529TP with AUI/RJ45 - both ethernet though. NT finds thema nd seems to agree with them and I am able to give each a TCP/IP address but the network never comes up. If I pull the 523 (or even the 529) it does. Where's the conflict coming from? What's the easiest way to correct this? I've had token ring and ethernet in at the same time int he past fine but the problem seems to be due to the same type of network topology being duplicated.

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Two NICs in one machine - how?

by technos＠nerdland.org

I dealt with a similar prob.. Came down to both cards were factory set to hard IO/IRQ assignment. Just grab the 3Com config tools, set them to 0x280 and 0x300 IRQ 10 and 11(or whatever you have free). Mine were both 529 tho.. Jim On Wednesday, August 08, 2001 6:26 PM, Russ Blakeman [SMTP:rhblake@bigfoot.com] wrote: > Curious if any ethernet experts are out there - I finally got my PS/2 > 9595-OPT server out of storage and built with WinNT4.0 and originally > wanted > to put two NICs in - one is a 3Com 3C523 with AUI/Coax and the other > is a > 3C529TP with AUI/RJ45 - both ethernet though. NT finds thema nd seems > to > agree with them and I am able to give each a TCP/IP address but the > network > never comes up. If I pull the 523 (or even the 529) it does. Where's > the > conflict coming from? What's the easiest way to correct this? I've had > token > ring and ethernet in at the same time int he past fine but the problem > seems > to be due to the same type of network topology being duplicated. > << File: ATT00001.html >>

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PDP-11 assembly language reference

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Iggy Drougge <optimus(a)canit.se> To: R. D. Davis <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> >R. D. Davis skrev: > >>Several years ago, I began writing an assembly language reference >>manual for PDP-11 computers that was modeled after notes from a VAX >>assembly language class that I took. A few minutes ago, I discovered >>it amongst other files in my PDP-11 files archive and an idea crossed >>my mind: it's not doing anyone any good just sitting there on one of >>my systems' hard drives, so, if anyone's interested in it, or >>interested in completing it, let me know. > >By all means, release it. > >I like your "licence", BTW. ^_- The first really interesting thing to _not_ get deleted in weeks on the list. Allison

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Two NICs in one machine - how?

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 8/8/01 6:50:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, zmerch(a)30below.com writes: << Rumor has it that Russ Blakeman may have mentioned these words: >>>> Curious if any ethernet experts are out there - I finally got my PS/2 9595-OPT server out of storage and built with WinNT4.0 and originally wanted to put two NICs in - one is a 3Com 3C523 with AUI/Coax and the other is a 3C529TP with AUI/RJ45 - both ethernet though. NT finds thema nd seems to agree with them and I am able to give each a TCP/IP address but the network never comes up. If I pull the 523 (or even the 529) it does. Where's the conflict coming from? What's the easiest way to correct this? I've had token ring and ethernet in at the same time int he past fine but the problem seems to be due to the same type of network topology being duplicated. <<<< As they're both 3Com nic's my guess would be is that they're trying to grab the same IRQ (and/or DMA if they use DMA) and there's IRQ conficts with both of them in the machine. The only thing I can think of is if you have some DOS-based 3Com NIC setup software, boot the box with a dos boot disk with 1 of the NICs in the machine, and configure the card to use a different IRQ (like, say, IRQ 5 if you only have one printer port) then shutdown, insert the 2nd card & see if it boots OK. >> we're talking microchannel here, so the machine will have whatever settings it needs to configure the NICs from the.adf files it loads in. To verify, boot into the IML partition and choose the option to view configuration. If there's a splat (*) beside any of the resources listed for the NICs, there is indeed a resource conflict. that can be changed by choosing the option to change configuration and seeing if there are relevant options to choose. you got NT service pack 3 or higher installed? -- DB Young Team OS/2 old computers, hot rod pinto and more at: www.nothingtodo.org

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ASR-33

by kentborg＠borg.org

Anyone know where I might find an ASR-33 Teletype (good condition, reasonable price, etc.) in the Boston area? -kb, the Kent who started out on an ASR-33.

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PDP-11 assembly language reference

by rdd＠smart.net

Several years ago, I began writing an assembly language reference manual for PDP-11 computers that was modeled after notes from a VAX assembly language class that I took. A few minutes ago, I discovered it amongst other files in my PDP-11 files archive and an idea crossed my mind: it's not doing anyone any good just sitting there on one of my systems' hard drives, so, if anyone's interested in it, or interested in completing it, let me know. I wrote it for processing by IDOCS Mint on a PERQ, which I've heard is similar to Scribe; anyone who's familiar with writing documents in LaTeX should have no trouble re-writing it in LaTeX. There's one condition to my releasing it: anyone who wants to revise it must do so in LaTeX on something other than a system running software from Microsoft. So, needless to say, you can't use Mickeysoft Wurd for this, or a system running MS-Windows. :-) -- Copyright (C) 2001 R. D. Davis The difference between humans & other animals: All Rights Reserved an unnatural belief that we're above Nature & rdd(a)rddavis.net 410-744-4900 her other creatures, using dogma to justify such http://www.rddavis.net beliefs and to justify much human cruelty.

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