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Slowdown util for 486/586 systems to emulate XT/AT systems

by sipke＠wxs.nl

Somebody on one of the lists/groups i visiit recently asked a utility to slowdown Pentium I systems or 486-machines in order to run old dos-legacy software that was programmed for slower XT/AT class systems. I found the util again and I've put it up on my website... http://xgistor.ath.cx Go to the file section and select the folder "slowdown" there you will find the slow586.zip file ........... since it may interest virtual computer-collectors (emulation) I've decided to post it to this list as well. regards Sipke de Wal

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Macintosh

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Could someone tell me what the last version of Macintosh System to run on > 68K machines was? Where can I get a copy? That would be System 6.0.8, and you should be abe to download it from Apple's FTP site. Try navigating through the stuff at http://mirror.apple.com/. -dq

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Question for HP 9826 owners

by CLeyson＠aol.com

Joe >>I have the binaries for HP-9826 HPL. Copied them onto floppy disks, > What did you copy them from? When you say that you have the binaries, > what exactly do you mean? The only binaries that I've seen for the 9826 are > the .BIN files that are used with BASIC. They're language extentions and > device divers files that can be included in the main OS file or loaded > separately. But HPL is a complete stand alone OS and it doesn't use .BIN > files I have the HPL system file and drivers and also copies of Basic 4 system and associated .BIN, .PROG files etc. The files were very kindly emailed to me by Brian Skilton in the UK who got them as disk copies from Bruce Rodgers. Thanks to both Brian and Bruce. Brian used lif2dos or lifutil to make DOS copies and made a note of the file descriptor bytes (11th and 12th byte in the directory entry). I copied the files onto LIF formatted disks and edited the file descriptor byte. Success ! Basic 4 boots and loads. Tried the same with HPL and got the FFFFFFC4 error message. > Why did you edit them? Lifutil is erratic. The problem is that HP used > lots of different formats for LIF files and the file descriptor byte is > loaded in different places in different LIF files and Lifutil can't find > many of them so it doesn't accurately interpet the file structure therefore > it frequently "scrambles" files. That makes a lot of sense and could explain the problem. Brian has also sent me the directory listing for the two HPL disks using lifutil to catalogue them. Note: file descriptor bytes appear under date field. Disk 1 Volume Label: H9826 File Name Pro Type Rec/file byte/rec Address Date Time SYSTEM_HPL SYSTM 433 256 16 E9 42 Disk 2 Volume Label: V4 File Name Pro Type Rec/file byte/rec Address Date Time revid -6128 1 256 12 E8 10 cbackup -6124 16 256 13 E8 14 ibackup -6124 21 256 29 E8 14 9825key -6128 11 256 50 E8 10 9876chars -6128 2 256 61 E8 10 I had noticed that the first used sector on disk 2 is 12 and not 16 but I wouldn't have thought that would make much difference. Besides, I havn't got to disk 2 yet. I guess there must be a few more bytes that need editing. I will see if Brian can send me a hex dump of the directory sector and go through it byte by byte. Chris

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Martha Stewart

by jfoust＠threedee.com

At 02:10 PM 11/29/2001 -0500, Douglas Quebbeman wrote: >Hungarian notation meets Homemaker nation... lpszGoodThing? - John

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Martha Stewart

by mythtech＠Mac.com

>Actually I'd like to find a nice way to hid various components so that >they don't show up at first glance. Of course this is related to my HA >background (hobby of course) and the fact that if I had a PDP 8 it >would look a little out of place in my living room (I've got the >garage and a computer for my 'stuff'). I started once turning a PowerMac 7200 into a picture. I got as far as framing the board, and mounting the HD to the back of the frame. The power supply was going to go on the floor, with the cables running down the back of the frame, and into the wall (to pop back out at floor level). I stopped because I was going to have to make some strange angled connectors (kind of elongated 180's) to get things to run where I wanted... and it started to become too much effort... so now I am useing the 7200 in a picture frame, sitting on a desk. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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S. Ring has badtrans virus

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

If you see a mail from S.RING on the list delete it, the attachment has badtrans virus. Allison

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Martha Stewart

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> A couple of years ago, she dated Charles Simonyi, chief software architect > of Microsoft and former Xerox PARC scientist who wrote the first WYSIWYG > word processor. Maybe that's where she gets it. That's the most interesting gossip I've heard all year! Hungarian notation meets Homemaker nation... -dq

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Spam from _sring@uslink.net?

by Robert_Feldman＠jdedwards.com

According to what I have read about the virus, it "replies" to unread emails. The copy I got was a re: to "RE: Rubber Restorer", which was a thread a few weeks ago about restoring printer feeder rollers. I did post in that thread. I would venture that everyone on the CC list who got a copy had it titled in re: something they previously posted. I guess we have a second reason to be upset with Mr. (or Ms.) Ring: s/he didn't read at least one of our brilliant email posts. BTW, can anybody check to see if Ring is a member of the list? -----Original Message----- From: Sellam Ismail [mailto:foo@siconic.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 2:32 PM To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: Spam from _sring(a)uslink.net? <snip> Curious, as I use this account exclusively to receive CC messages, and mostly post to the list from it. <snip>

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Concise list of different Mac models

by hansp＠aconit.org

Hi there, Does anyone know of a web page which list all the different Mac models showing basic specs like processer and speed, memory and disk sizes? I keep seeing Macs in the stores but can't keep all the model names and numbers straight so a one or two sheet list describing them would be very useful. If no-one comes up with this I may just make one up from the Apple Spec Database - in that case I'd like to know what key spec items should be listed. -- hbp

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Macintosh

by mythtech＠Mac.com

>Could someone tell me what the last version of Macintosh System to run on >68K machines was? Where can I get a copy? Varies with the machine. Which 68k processor (68000, 020, 030, 040), 32 bit clean? The best place to find out what the last supported OS is, is check the apple spec database. Down at the bottom of each mac's listing is a list of supported OS versions. Supported is a key term here, some can use versions that are not supported, but you use them at your own risk. And don't assume similar machines will always support the same OSes. For instance, the Centris/Quadra 610 lists 8.0 as the last supported OS, but other 040 machines like the Quadra 605 (a machine that is actually a step down from the 610), can support 8.1. I can tell you from experience, the 610 will accept an 8.1 install, and will even run for some time... but you will eventually find that the finder will drag to a halt (even scrolling a window will cause the watch to spin longer and longer, finally topping out at about 5 minutes of spinning). And it will eventually corrupt the hard drive. So for the 610, stop at 8.0, but the 605 can go to 8.1 safely. You really need to check the spec database on a machine by machine basis. And even then, it might pay to think about it, ie: my Classic II can support 7.6.1, but it runs faster and smoother, and uses less RAM if I stop at 7.5.5. A general rule of thumb is, 6.0.8 for < 1mb Mac's, 7.5.5 for all other 68000, 7.6.1 for 020's and 030's, and 8.1 for 040's. But there are the flukes in there like the Centris/Quadra 610, so just check before you install. As for getting them, System 6.0.8 (the last pre 7 version) is available on Apple's web site for free. So is System 7.5.5. Anything newer you will need to find used somewhere (many mac resellers have old OS CDs for sale cheap... or just ask a friend that has a version to dupe it for you, short of OS 9 and X, Apple probably won't care... but you do that at your own risk, they might care, who knows). Older OS versions (pre 6) used to be available on Apple's FTP site if you dug around, but I am not sure they are still there. And as a silly aside... has anyone ever tried running OS 7.0.1P on a 128k Mac? According to Apple's Spec database, that is the last supported version for the 128k... I have always wondered if it is a typo, or if it really can run System 7 (someday maybe I will try it with mine) -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Tandy PC-4 pocket computer

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

Some guy sent me one for free and just got some new batteries in it. Powers on and says READY P0 but can't figure out anything else. Google coming up 404 for usability info on this thing. How do you work this thing?

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Concise list of different Mac models

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Hi there, > > Does anyone know of a web page which list all the different Mac models > showing basic specs like processer and speed, memory and disk sizes? > > I keep seeing Macs in the stores but can't keep all the model names and > numbers straight so a one or two sheet list describing them would be > very useful. > > If no-one comes up with this I may just make one up from the Apple Spec > Database - in that case I'd like to know what key spec items should be > listed. That's what I did- just print out AppleSpec into book form. -dq

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Macintosh

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> > Could someone tell me what the last version of Macintosh > > System to run on 68K machines was? Where can I get a copy? > > According to LowEndMac it's either 7.6.1 or 8.1 depending on > the machine.... Adrian's right, I read Sridhar's message wrong... -dq

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Macintosh

by Adrian.Graham＠corporatemicrosystems.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: One Without Reason [mailto:vance@ikickass.org] > Sent: 29 November 2001 14:41 > To: Classic Computers Mailing List > Subject: Macintosh > > > > Could someone tell me what the last version of Macintosh > System to run on > 68K machines was? Where can I get a copy? According to LowEndMac it's either 7.6.1 or 8.1 depending on the machine.... -- Adrian Graham, Corporate Microsystems Ltd e: adrian.graham(a)corporatemicrosystems.com w: www.corporatemicrosystems.com w2: www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk (Online Computer Museum)

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Question for HP 9826 owners

by CLeyson＠aol.com

I have the binaries for HP-9826 HPL. Copied them onto floppy disks, edited the file type directory entries with Lifutil and tried loading them. I get the error message "unexpected use of FFFFFFC4" Can anyone shed any light on this ? Best Regards Chris Leyson

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Is it a Lisa or Mac XL?!

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> > It sucks, but if you scrap hardware, you have to render it useless. > > Would installing Windoze on it qualify? That doesn't make it useless, just weighs it downlike a boat anchor... paint it grey, stick it in the bass boat. -dq

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PDP-8/E Powersupply (was: Re: DEC PC04/PR8E Question)

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

> > OK, the last part of my shipment just showed up, the Papertape reader. I'd > > thought the PC04 was a reader/punch. Am I correct in my revised > > assumption, that it came in three models; reader/punch, reader, and punch? > > I've heard of punch/reader and reader-only models. Never heard of a > punch-only one. It could exist, though. I'm basing the guess about a Punch only model from the pictures of the switches in the printset I've got. It shows four layouts; Reader, Punch, and two types of Punch/Reader. > Well, on the front there should be a switch panel with 2 swtiches on it > (reader on/off and tape feed). The punch/reader version has 4 swtiches > (The other 2 are the same 2 functions for the punch). That much at least looks complete. > Inside the punch takes up the right hand side of the chassis. The logic > backplane and PSU are on the left (the backplane will be fairly empty for > a reader-only version, I think). The reader sits in the middle -- it's > very simple -- a stepper motor with a large sproket wheel on the shaft, a > 'festoon' lamp, and a phototransistor array. And not a lot else. Hmm, in this case it sounds like I might have a complete Reader if I'm lucky. I've not really spent much time looking at it yet. So far I've spent my time looking into the PDP-8/E. Overall it looks pretty good, in part thanks to the fact that the previous owner had started to restore it a couple years ago. I'm getting ready to see about checking out the powersupply, hopefully either tonite or tomorrow morning. Is it safe to power it on to test the voltages without any kind of a load? Also, is there anyway to 'lubricate' the switches on the front panel? Zane

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FYI: Otrona 2001 on ebay

by Robert_Feldman＠jdedwards.com

You don't see many of these around. It was a more MS-DOS compatible model, with a larger screen than the Attache, that came out just before Otrona went under. So far, it's bid is under $40. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1302397837 BTW, it's not my auction. I have an Attache 8:16, but I don't plan to bid on the 2001. Bob

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Is it a Lisa or Mac XL?!

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Jeff Hellige [mailto:jhellige@earthlink.net] > I took my Profile apart the other night and any hopes of > swapping another drive in there were dashed since the ST506 has an > Apple-specific board on it. Tried that, myself -- just as a curiosity. As you said, it's kind of weird in there. I wonder, though, whether there's an easier way to do it. Maybe the HD adaptors that came with the newer ones (for internal disks) were standard enough to have something else plugged in. (haven't checked) It would be interesting to have a Maxtor <whatever that model is that DEC used for the RD54> in a Lisa. They were about 150 megabytes. Better if the SCSI port actually could be used to boot the machine. Regards, Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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Olivetti PR2300 printer

by donm＠cts.com

Is any one of you cpllectors interested in getting a sample of this early '80s inkjet? A local thrift shop has one - unpriced, but I'd think cheap - that I can pickup and ship on request. But, your request better be quick as I will be away for a week starting Saturday. - don

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Is it a Lisa or Mac XL?!

by CordaAJ＠nswc.navy.mil

Wow! We could finally claim that we are _real_ computer archeologists... The kind that use a shovel and pick! If we look hard enough, we might even find an SGI Jurrasic Classic, or a Predator rack! Sounds fun! -al- -acorda(a)1bigred.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Douglas Quebbeman [mailto:dhquebbeman@theestopinalgroup.com] > Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 1:40 PM > To: 'classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org' > Subject: RE: Is it a Lisa or Mac XL?! > > > > I'll add that the Lisa 2 is actually an upgraded Lisa 1. > When Apple's > > Twiggy drives proved troublesome, Apple apparently offered > an upgrade to > > anyone with a Lisa to replace the Twiggy's with a Sony 3.5" > drive. So you > > got a new drive assembly and front panel, and returned the > old ones. > > Most people took advantage of this upgrade, which is why > it's so hard to > > find an original Lisa these days. > > It's time for a group of us to find the Utah landfill > where they dumped the Lisa inventory 15 years ago... > > Since you can find undecayed hotdogs from the 1960s > in a landfill, I'm thinking the Lisas should be well > preserved... > > -dq >

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Tandy PC-4 pocket computer

by jismay＠gkar.unixboxen.net

I have a complete PC-4 basic setup including the programmer's manual and the user's manual I even have the leatherette slipcase for the unit. I will try to get the manuals scanned and put on the web when I get the chance. http://agamemnon.unixboxen.net

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S100 hard drives and controllers

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> > Did Morrow make a hard disk controller? Who made controllers and > > drives (if you could afford one) for these systems. > > Yes. Morrow made the Disk Jockey. I believe Tarbell also produced a hard > drive controller. So did Godbout (CompuPro), and California Computer > Systems. I know there are many I'm missing. The Disk Jockey was the name of the floppy controller; it may well have also been the name of the hard drive controller, but I still have the photo and docs for the floppy controler... -dq

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S100 hard drives and controllers

by fmc＠reanimators.org

Sellam Ismail <foo(a)siconic.com> wrote: > Yes. Morrow made the Disk Jockey. I believe Tarbell also produced a hard > drive controller. So did Godbout (CompuPro), and California Computer > Systems. I know there are many I'm missing. Morrow Disk Jockey controllers were floppy-disk controllers. I think their ST-412 interface hard disk controller was called the HDC/DMA or DMAHDC. -Frank McConnell

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Is it a Lisa or Mac XL?!

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> On Wed, 28 Nov 2001, Jeff Hellige wrote: > > > Just from looking at the one in the Profile, and not having > > another 506 to directly compare it to, it looks like the Apple board > > is being used in place of whatever circuit card it would normally > > have. In fact, the interface to the drive is a single ribbon cable > > coming in from the side vice the dual data/control cables normally > > associated with the 506-type drives. > > Jeff, you are correct. For whatever reason that Apple had a habit of, the > normal board was replaced by a custom Apple board. I doubt you could drop > in a non-Apple replacement drive and have it work. Perhaps he could pull that board from the Lisa drive and slap it onto the generic version of the same drive? Just a thought... -dq

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Spam from _sring@uslink.net?

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

same here, it was a badtrans.b in a file ending in .SCR the winders virus propagation scritpting language. Allison -----Original Message----- From: Jeffrey S. Sharp <jss(a)subatomix.com> To: Classic Computers Mailing List <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 1:50 PM Subject: Re: Spam from _sring(a)uslink.net? >On Wed, 28 Nov 2001, Vintage Computer Festival wrote: > >> Has anyone else gotten an audio file from S. Ring <_sring(a)uslink.net> >> with an audio file attachment, bearing the subject of an old CC >> message? > >It was not *really* an audio file, but yes, that happened to me. > >-- >Jeffrey S. Sharp >jss(a)subatomix.com >

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S. Ring has badtrans virus

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

Save for two things... I could not even touch the mail file or Norton AV would scream virus. Since I could not tiuch it there was no clue as to the content (save for virus laden). The machine at no time ever was infected but because of how lookoutdistress works you cant delete an element of the ISAM file that has the offending mail message and norton was trying to do that. After a day of win98se installing the sound hardware(board level disabled!) that I dont want but not the second parallel port I do want w9x is still guano! Allison -----Original Message----- From: Curt Vendel <curt(a)atari-history.com> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 1:07 PM Subject: Re: S. Ring has badtrans virus >Yeah, > > I got it too, I never open anything unless I know who the person is and >even then I always look at the attachment first before opening it. The >file being a virus was pretty apparent when I saw the extension .doc.pif >which is a fairly classic sign of some form of virus like the Nimda/sadmind. > > >Curt > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "John Lawson" <jpl15(a)panix.com> >To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> >Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 9:53 AM >Subject: Re: S. Ring has badtrans virus > > >> >> >> It was sent to me 'personally', ie not as a classiccmp post. Since it >> was an unsolicited attachment from an unacknowledged source, it filed it >> in /dev/nul. >> >> just FYI if any listmembers get the thing... >> >> >> Cheerz >> >> John >> >> >> > >

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S100 hard drives and controllers

by RCini＠congressfinancial.com

Hello, all: Did Morrow make a hard disk controller? Who made controllers and drives (if you could afford one) for these systems. Rich ========================== Richard A. Cini, Jr. Congress Financial Corporation 1133 Avenue of the Americas 30th Floor New York, NY 10036 (212) 545-4402 (212) 840-6259 (facsimile)

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Spam from _sring@uslink.net?& archive mining

by Innfogra＠aol.com

I got sent the virus too, by the original poster _sring. Deleted it thanks to the warning on the list. Unfortunately I deleted it before I checked the header. As to Spam from CCMP. I have this one email address that I use only for the CCMP list. I get no Spam at this address, well maybe one or less a month, and then it is talked about a lot on the list so I know everyone got it. I use this list as an example of an excellently run list. I do not see evidence anyone has successfully mined the archives for addresses. Paxton Astoria, OR

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Is it a Lisa or Mac XL?!

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> I took my Profile apart the other night and any hopes of > swapping another drive in there were dashed since the ST506 has an > Apple-specific board on it. isn't the apple-specific board piggy-backed onto the board that's there in a non-apple version of the drive? -dq

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S100 hard drives and controllers

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Hello, all: > > Did Morrow make a hard disk controller? Who made controllers and > drives (if you could afford one) for these systems. Yeah, I have the brochure for it somewhere; IIRC, the photo showed one of those big Winchester drives with the transparent plastic enclosure. -dq

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south west boards

by pgentil1＠twcny.rr.com

i'm looking to buy bare or populated swtpc mp-a2 and mp-s boards. i would appreciate any help on this. thanks, philip j gentile 1035 smith ridge road bridgeport, ny 13030 315.476.7859 voice 315.476.7865 fax

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Classic Computer Collection For Sale

by pcautomation＠mindspring.com

Hello Everyone, I have come to the conclusion that it is time to sell my entire collection of Old microcomputers. I have collected over the last 20 years over 125 computers, including 10 Kaypro's, 5 or 6 Osbornes,plus the Original Tan case model. 2 Original TRS-80 Model 1's Complete with just about everything ever made for it. Also A Original Commodore PET 2001 with 8kb Ram, and built in Cassette. The Entire Kaypro & Osborne User Group Software on Floppy disks (About 200 ?), Hundreds if not thousands of original manuals, and tech reference books for Osborne, Kaypro, TRS-80. A large collection of old Computer Mags, Several hundred Games still boxed for the Commodore series 64,VIC20, 16, and Plus4.. Most all of my Commodores are in the original boxes and in mint condition. Also have large collection of TI-994A computers including , 2 expansion interfaces, and tons of software and extras. TRS-80's ? Almost the entire collection of the COCO series. Apples, Mac's and several hundred pounds of manuals and software. Lots of old printers, external Hard drives, SCSI Cdrom's, Modems, CGA,EGA,VGA,TTL, Composite (Color & Mono) Monitors, VGACommodore CBM's, TRS-80's.. 1000's of diskettes of utilities, games for CPM computers.. GAD's it way to much to think about and I'm starting to get depressed thinking of parting with it all (Smile..), but I am moving to new things (Getting a Life) and it would be impossible to move or keep this treasure. Again an entire bedroom is full to the ceiling of this stuff, no furniture in that room, just my collection boxed and stacked carefully. Way to many items to mention here, but I have Many Thousands of Dollars invested in my collection, and will sell it mostly at my cost to someone willing to buy it complete. Most all of these items are in Mint condition. You will need a large truck to move it all, as it fills an entire bedroom full to the ceiling. All items are boxed and have been kept in a controlled environment for many years. If you have Several thousand dollars to spend and are serious got a big truck and can travel to Florida to pick it up, I will email you a copy of the list or items.. I would much rather sell this as a whole than take several months and a Hugh amount of time boxing these items one by one.. If interested email me at musicman38(a)mindspring.com Phil..

24 years, 8 months

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S. Ring has badtrans virus

by CLeyson＠aol.com

Got two infected emails from ebay members. s3msong.doc.scr or pif Chris Leyson

24 years, 8 months

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Is it a Lisa or Mac XL?!

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> I'll add that the Lisa 2 is actually an upgraded Lisa 1. When Apple's > Twiggy drives proved troublesome, Apple apparently offered an upgrade to > anyone with a Lisa to replace the Twiggy's with a Sony 3.5" drive. So you > got a new drive assembly and front panel, and returned the old ones. > Most people took advantage of this upgrade, which is why it's so hard to > find an original Lisa these days. It's time for a group of us to find the Utah landfill where they dumped the Lisa inventory 15 years ago... Since you can find undecayed hotdogs from the 1960s in a landfill, I'm thinking the Lisas should be well preserved... -dq

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S. Ring has badtrans virus

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Nov 28, 12:38, Douglas Quebbeman wrote: > > But the way it does it is *very* questionable.. The email is routed to one > > of their servers before being routed to you inbox. No, it just runs another server on your own machine (127.0.0.1, localhost) and redirects mail to that before giving it to Outlook. > Network Associates' Groupshield Exchange and Computer Associates' > eTrust InoculateIT! Exchange Option scan the mail as it comes in > to the server and what gets put in the inbox has been sanitized... > > except, apparantly, the BADTRANS virus. Fortunately, the client- > side realtime scanner caught it... Lots of things miss it because it's fairly new. It's only been around a few days. Most of the anti-virus sites have had updates for couple of days or more, though. One of the ways it works is to look through existing mail for messages that haven't been replied to, and reply to them. That way the recipient not only gets mail from someone whose address he recognises, it has a sensible subject line too. That's probably why several list members have it, and why Sellam got what he did. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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S. Ring has badtrans virus

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> On Wed, 28 Nov 2001, David Woyciesjes wrote: > > > Well, I'm running Norton Corporate Edition, with Outlook 2000, and it > > scans my e-mail as it comes in, before I even read the message! Works > > out nice :-) > > Was it prescient enough to detect Badtrans.b? If Badtrans.b is a new > virus, it almost sounds fishy that NAV *already* knew how to > discover it. Heuristics. -dq

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Spam from _sring@uslink.net?

by Robert_Feldman＠jdedwards.com

The virus works by "answering" unread emails on the infected computer. Mr. Ring appears not to be keeping up with the list ;-) Interestingly, if an infected computer sends an email to another infected computer, an "endless" loop of emails starts, until one or the other computer's email server crashes from the overload. -----Original Message----- From: Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) [mailto:cisin@xenosoft.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 11:55 AM To: Classic Computers Mailing List Subject: Re: Spam from _sring(a)uslink.net? On Wed, 28 Nov 2001, Vintage Computer Festival wrote: > Looks like the Classiccmp archives may have been broached by some lame > spammer. Has anyone else gotten an audio file from S. Ring > <_sring(a)uslink.net> with an audio file attachment, bearing the subject of > an old CC message? THAT AIn'T NO AUDIO FILE!!!!! Take a closer look at the extension! AFTER the MP3, JPG, DOC whatever extension, it has ANOTHER extension of .SCR or .PIF. THAT is the BADTRANS virus. -- Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin(a)xenosoft.com

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Spam from _sring@uslink.net?

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

Umm, maybe I'm falling for a joke, but the most recent thread here is about that very message containing the hot new W32.Badtrans.b virus... --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 ! -----Original Message----- ! From: Vintage Computer Festival [mailto:vcf@vintage.org] ! Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 12:29 PM ! To: Classic Computers Mailing List ! Subject: Spam from _sring(a)uslink.net? ! ! ! ! Looks like the Classiccmp archives may have been broached by some lame ! spammer. Has anyone else gotten an audio file from S. Ring ! <_sring(a)uslink.net> with an audio file attachment, bearing ! the subject of ! an old CC message? ! ! Sellam Ismail Vintage ! Computer Festival ! -------------------------------------------------------------- ! ---------------- ! International Man of Intrigue and Danger ! http://www.vintage.org ! ! * Old computing resources for business and academia at ! www.VintageTech.com * ! !

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S. Ring has badtrans virus

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

Well, my Norton is set to automatically update every week. Also, as soon as I heard about it (badtrans) on Tuesday morning (when I came back >from being out since last wednesday) I updated the latest virus definitions, to the 11/24 version. Not sure if earlier defs knew about it... --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 ! -----Original Message----- ! From: Jeffrey S. Sharp [mailto:jss@subatomix.com] ! Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 12:08 PM ! To: 'classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org' ! Subject: RE: S. Ring has badtrans virus ! ! ! On Wed, 28 Nov 2001, David Woyciesjes wrote: ! ! > Well, I'm running Norton Corporate Edition, with Outlook ! 2000, and it ! > scans my e-mail as it comes in, before I even read the ! message! Works ! > out nice :-) ! ! Was it prescient enough to detect Badtrans.b? If Badtrans.b is a new ! virus, it almost sounds fishy that NAV *already* knew how to ! discover it. ! ! -- ! Jeffrey S. Sharp ! jss(a)subatomix.com !

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S. Ring has badtrans virus

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

! > Well, I'm running Norton Corporate Edition, with Outlook ! > 2000, and it scans my e-mail as it comes in, before I ! > even read the message! Works out nice :-) ! I am assuming NCE include Norton Anti-Virus... Actually it's the Corporate Edition of Norton Anti-Virus. ! ...On the Norton Utilities Systemworks AV is installed to ! automatically scan your email for virii... Yeah, I remember that option from that memory-hog version... ! ...But the way it does it is *very* questionable. The email ! is routed to one of their servers before being routed to you ! inbox... NCE doesn't work it that way, well at least in our setup. We install it as an unmanaged system (no central Norton server here.) Basically a standalone install. We could have a central server here to 'manage' the copies of NCE installed on the clients, maybe that's what you're referring to. Symantec hijacking your e-mail sounds wierd, and in-efficient. ! ...I only happened to find this out *after* everything was ! installed because I also use Zone Alarm... ! I then found out that the install had modified Outlook. ! Nowhere in the install was I told that this was happening!!! Yeah, the install has to modify Outlook somewhat. It gives the option to install a plug-in, to allow it to scan the messages as they come in. I much prefer it that way, since I leave Outlook open all day, and recieve at _least_ 200 messages a day. Yes, vigilance (and a different e-mail program) are my preferred method, but work here pretty much requires the use of Outlook. It's actually a nice program, if it weren't for the plentiful virus 'features'. --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818

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S. Ring has badtrans virus

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

Well, I'm running Norton Corporate Edition, with Outlook 2000, and it scans my e-mail as it comes in, before I even read the message! Works out nice :-) --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 ! -----Original Message----- ! From: Jeff Hellige [mailto:jhellige@earthlink.net] ! Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 9:25 AM ! To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org ! Subject: Re: S. Ring has badtrans virus ! ! ! > It was sent to me 'personally', ie not as a classiccmp ! post. Since it ! >was an unsolicited attachment from an unacknowledged source, ! it filed it ! >in /dev/nul. ! ! I got it as well but followed the same logic you did. I also ! received the virus once over the weekend as well, but it wasn't from ! a list subscriber. I don't use Outlook on my Mac's and don't have ! autopreview turned on when I'm using it under NT. ! ! Jeff ! -- ! Home of the TRS-80 Model 2000 FAQ File ! http://www.cchaven.com ! http://www.geocities.com/siliconvalley/lakes/6757 !

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S. Ring has badtrans virus

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> I am assuming NCE include Norton Anti-Virus.. On the Norton Utilities > Systemworks AV is installed to automatically scan your email for virii... > But the way it does it is *very* questionable.. The email is routed to one > of their servers before being routed to you inbox. > > I only happened to find this out *after* everything was installed because I > also use Zone Alarm. I then found out that the install had modified Outlook. > Nowhere in the install was I told that this was happening!!! Network Associates' Groupshield Exchange and Computer Associates' eTrust InoculateIT! Exchange Option scan the mail as it comes in to the server and what gets put in the inbox has been sanitized... except, apparantly, the BADTRANS virus. Fortunately, the client- side realtime scanner caught it... -dq

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Is it a Lisa or Mac XL?!

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: MTPro(a)aol.com [mailto:MTPro@aol.com] > question has not been adulterated with a ROM upgrade or > screen modification, > etc., it can run the Lisa OS - any Lisa 2 or Mac XL. All Mac > XLs are Lisa 2s, Well, the screen-mod isn't necessarily a show-stopper. Lisa OS really doesn't care, from my limited experience with just the kind of Mac XL you speak of at the end of this post. You can pull the glue off of a couple of pots in the monitor (clearly labeled at that, IIRC), and adjust the aspect ratio of the screen back to normal Lisa style. > Macintosh XL: The Macintosh XL is exactly the same as a Lisa > 2/10. Only the > sticker on the box, the operating system, and the instruction > manuals are > different. Instead of Lisa OS, the bundled OS is Macintosh > System software > and MacWorks XL, a Lisa program which allows 64K Macintosh > ROM emulation. If > you have MacWorks XL instead of Lisa OS disks, a 10MB > internal hard drive, no > Lisa Lite card, and a 1.8-A power supply, yours is probably a > MacintoshXL. It should be noted here that the Macintosh system software is arguably not the operating system in this case. (MacWorks is... If I understand correctly it's slightly more of an emulation than simply providing the toolbox ROM.) > them in December 1989 for $1095 had started life as a Lisa 2/5. Sun > Remarketing had installed the screen modification kit (giving > it square > pixels like a Mac instead of it's native rectangular ones), Again, I think "installed the screen modification kit" might be giving them too much credit, since it seemed with mine that they only did some pot tweaking. :) > Mac Plus 128k > ROMs to support the installed 800k drive and a Sun > Remarketing installed Now this is interesting. As I mentioned in a previous post, they had something in mind called an "XLerator," which seemed to be a daughterboard kind of setup that took the place of the entire 68k cpu, and replaced it with a conglomeration of Mac junk. :) (No offense to Mac people, but I wanted a Lisa, and this prevented Lisa OS from booting ;) I may at some point try to get that CPU board working (by which I mean, actually booting Lisa OS) again. Regards, Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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S. Ring has badtrans virus

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

It drove me nuts as the work sys is W95 and outlookdistress. I wanted to summary delete it but Norton antivirus would pitch a fit if I even touched the mail. I have the outlook features turned off but the antivirus is too efficient. only solution was to isolate the machine just in case(pull net connection, drop modem) and purge mail. What a PITA! Wishing I used VMS at work or at least linux. Allison -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Hellige <jhellige(a)earthlink.net> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 10:52 AM Subject: Re: S. Ring has badtrans virus >> It was sent to me 'personally', ie not as a classiccmp post. Since it >>was an unsolicited attachment from an unacknowledged source, it filed it >>in /dev/nul. > > I got it as well but followed the same logic you did. I also >received the virus once over the weekend as well, but it wasn't from >a list subscriber. I don't use Outlook on my Mac's and don't have >autopreview turned on when I'm using it under NT. > > Jeff >-- > Home of the TRS-80 Model 2000 FAQ File > http://www.cchaven.com > http://www.geocities.com/siliconvalley/lakes/6757

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opensource cp/m?

by dlinder＠uiuc.edu

this might be interesting for the cp/m people out there, though they probably already know all about it: http://slashdot.org/articles/01/11/27/1931237.shtml http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/23010.html http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=01/11/23/171225 -- Dan Linder / dlinder @ uiuc.edu Graduate Student, College of Engineering, Dept. of Computer Science - Dept. of Computer Science Teaching Assistant - DRES Computer Accessibility Researcher

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Apple ][ joystick?

by vcf＠vintage.org

Who was the fellow looking for an Apple ][ joystick? I have one for you. E-mail me privately. Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *

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one shoe down ...

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

Well, I just sent in my registration for the free Basic membership... Haven't _needed_ to be a member before, but things may get better this year.. :-) --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 ! -----Original Message----- ! From: Brian Wheeler [mailto:bdwheele@indiana.edu] ! Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 3:38 PM ! To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org ! Subject: Re: one shoe down ... ! ! ! On Mon, 2001-11-26 at 14:03, Chuck McManis wrote: ! > Well the "new" Encompass site is updated and guess what, no ! "free DECUS" ! > memberships anymore, now its $79.99 "early bird special" ! and $99.99 regular ! > membership. No doubt when they become HP it will be even ! more irrelevant to ! > the cause of preserving old DEC gear. I sure hope they ! offer lifetime VAX ! > licenses at some point. ! > ! > --Chuck ! ! ! Are you sure? Looking at the "i want to re-enlist form" at ! https://safe2.sba.com/encompass/MemberForm.cfm ! ! It only looks like money is required if you're going to become a ! sustaining member... ! ! Of course there is a monster note on the page before: ! "Join or Renew Today - BASIC and SUSTAINING membership will only be ! available until December 31, 2001!" ! ! Brian !

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*HELP* - How do I temporarily unsubscribe?

by mranalog＠home.com

Shaun Stephenson <marino13(a)btinternet.com> wrote: > Hi all > Quickie which I need a quick reply to - > How do I tempoarily suspend recieving posts from the group? I'm on > holiday for 2 weeks very soon (1.5 days!) and don't fancy a few thousand > posts in my mail when I return. When you leave on vacation set your subscribtion to the DIGEST list. You will receive only one email every 20 or so hours and that way you don't miss anything. I ran into a little trouble myself. It appears that the name of the list is just "classiccmp" and not "classiccmp-list" as the help message suggests. I'm always on the digest list. The name of the digest list is "classiccmp-digest". So I assume to change to digest you need to send a message to majordomo(a)classiccmp.org and in the body say: unsubscribe classiccmp subscribe classiccmp-digest end Of course then you have to send back the authorization key before you are actually on the digest. Regards, --Doug ========================================= Doug Coward @ home in Poulsbo, WA Analog Computer Online Museum and History Center http://www.best.com/~dcoward/analog =========================================

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one shoe down ...

by Antonio.Carlini＠riverstonenet.com

>> One of the 3rd party TCP/IP apps was reputed to do this - >> possibly Multinet. It's easy enough to check since >> there is a logical you can set which causes all >> licence requests to be displayed on the operator >> console. > >Which logical? LMF$DISPLAY_OPCOM_MESSAGE It needs to be /EXEC/SYSTEM, otherwise any herbert could overflow your LA36 :-) It was documented by mistake and then had to be explicitly documented as "don't do this" because lots of products go and check for any of the umpteen licences that *might* let them run. It's only a few (non-DEC) products that actually check for non-existant licences and require that the check fail. Antonio

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Tandy PC-4 pocket computer

by csmith＠amdocs.com

I have one somewhere. Been a while since I've used it. IIRC, there are a few different modes. One for running programs, one for writing them (in basic), possibly also some more standard calculator modes. I got a sharp portable computer, and liked that a lot better, actually, but my LCD screen cracked :( Basically you find the right mode for what you want to do, and just go. It's a pretty simple machine by common standards. Regards, Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); ' > -----Original Message----- > From: SUPRDAVE(a)aol.com [mailto:SUPRDAVE@aol.com] > Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 12:55 PM > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Tandy PC-4 pocket computer > > > Some guy sent me one for free and just got some new batteries > in it. Powers > on and says READY P0 but can't figure out anything else. > Google coming up 404 > for usability info on this thing. How do you work this thing? >

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Adam Computer

by csmith＠amdocs.com

I don't know, actually. I might take a look at it later. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); ' > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave McGuire [mailto:mcguire@neurotica.com] > Aren't the Adam's tape drives [relatively] high-speed > digital, rather > than analog/audio/FSK units?

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Adam Computer

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On November 27, Christopher Smith wrote: > I wonder whether you can get one and high-speed-dub it? :) > > I may try something like this, myself. I have a "buck rogers" game tape. > If I'm lucky, there's more formatting than tape, and it can be copied to > another tape -- or to an AIFF file for re-production. Aren't the Adam's tape drives [relatively] high-speed digital, rather than analog/audio/FSK units? -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL

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1771 floppy controller questions

by tothwolf＠concentric.net

I have a complete TRS-80 Model I that has a dead Western Digital FD1771-01 chip in its expansion interface. Does anyone know if a National 1771-B01 is a suitable replacement? What would be a fair/reasonable price for a new 1771 these days? -Toth

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OT: Moving, must sell....

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

Sorry about the OT, but some of this may be close to 10 years old... Here's the deal. I need to get rid of this stuff, before I move. It's located in New Haven, CT, ZIP 06520-9040. Make an offer. Trade is possible, but only for DEC Alpha, Vax, Sun Sparc, that kind of parts & stuff. If you want the whole pile, I can meet you somewhere, in CT, to hand the stuff to you. Easier than shipping. This will end in one week... Send me an offer, I'll reply to let you know I got it. If there are multiple bids on something, I will do a random draw next Tuesday... Let me know if you have any questions... There may possibly be more similar stuff in the pile too... --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 Qty. Description ----------------------------------- 1 DTK Destop case. Dead motherboard. 200W Power Supply 1 486DX2-66 computer - 240MB (?) HDD, 5 1/4 + 3 1/2 flopy drives, modem, no RAM (uses non-parity), 200W PS 1 486DX2-66 computer - 240MB (?) HDD, 5 1/4 + 3 1/2 flopy drives, Network, no RAM (uses non-parity), 200W PS 1 486DX2-66 computer - 240MB (?) HDD, no RAM (uses non-parity), 200W PS 1 DTK Tower case, 250W PS, two 3 1/2 floppies 1 486DX-33 tower - 3 1/2 floppy, video, network, no RAM (uses 30 pin), 200W PS 1 486DX-33 tower - Two 3 1/2 floppies, video, no RAM (uses 30 pin), 250W PS 1 486DX-33 tower - 5 1/4 floppy, video, no RAM (uses 30 pin), 250W PS 7 Loose motherboards, 486 (SX + DX) 2 Loose motherboards, Pentium 75, Uses Parity Memory? 2 HP ScanJet Plus Scanners 1 HP ScanJet Plus Scanner Interface Kit (software + docs) 4 AT plug keyboards 3 Serial port mice 2 PS/2 port mice 3 Loose 3 1/2 floppy drives 1 Loose 5 1/4 floppy drive 2 CD ROMs - 1 is funny panasonic (?) interface, other (Sony) has proprietary interface included 1 Dell replacement floppy drive, instructions, and bay adaptor 4 ISA I/O Card - Floppy, IDE, COM ports, LPT: port... 1 ISA-VLB bus I/O Card - Floppy, IDE, COM ports, LPT: port... 1 Promise IDE ISA slot card 5 ISA modems ( 3 have Mic + Spkr ports) 2 Creative Labs ISA sound cards 1 Aztec/Packard Bell ISA sound/modem combo card 1 FX-3D ISA sound card 3 Cirrus Logic ISA-VLB video cards 5 ISA video cards 1 Intel ISA 8/16 LAN adapter 3 ISA SCSI cards ? 256 kB, & 1 MB non-parity 30-pin memory ? 256 kB, & 1 MB parity 30-pin memory Couple dozen IDE hard drives from 240 to 500 MB

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Computer Technician's Handbook (1971) and Computer Automation PDC 808 (1968)

by guerney＠bigpond.com

At a charity book sale I turned up this book* which promised to "turn an ordinary electronics technician into a computer maintenance specialist". And what a wide open field it was - as it says in Chapter 1: "as of some recent reckonong, there were in the neighborhood of some 50,000 computers currently in operation in some capacity or other" The book used as an example of a "Typical Small Computer" the Computer Automation PDC 808. The picture of the roughly Altair/Imsai sized box was actually labelled "PDC 808 Controller". The CCC list says this box was released in May 1968 (4K of 8-bit core) and there are just a couple of references to it on the Web I can find, and none from recent years. The book contains over 200 pages covering this device to the minutest detail. It seems a shame that such an apparently rare machine was chosen so we do not have a chance to work through the exercise today - it is rare sin't it? *by Brice Ward, published by Foulsham-Tab Ltd (the English version of the American TAB books) Phil

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one shoe down ...

by Antonio.Carlini＠riverstonenet.com

Geoff Roberts wrote: > Or you can run a little app that correctly creates what > appears to be a > valid installed license for what particular products you wish to run, > including the version, number of license units etc. Never seen this done, never even heard of such an app before. I know that at least two groups (or people) managed to reverse engineer licence PAKs. One was even stopped by DEC through legal action (IIRC). > They would still work with this particular method. > Just as a matter of interest, which apps? One of the 3rd party TCP/IP apps was reputed to do this - possibly Multinet. It's easy enough to check since there is a logical you can set which causes all licence requests to be displayed on the operator console. > Personally, I firmly believe that all such license > enforcement systems are a > waste of time, since ultimately they can all be circumvented. > It's just a > question of how bad you want to do it... To be fair it was never touted as an enforcement method. It was only there as a minor hurdle or tripwire to warn you that you were not allowed to run some software or to limit your usage of said software. This meant that you had to take deliberate steps to get past the LMF. Presumably a defence of "I didn't realise" would have been somewhat harder to use in court! Antonio

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one shoe down ...

by cmcmanis＠mcmanis.com

Well the "new" Encompass site is updated and guess what, no "free DECUS" memberships anymore, now its $79.99 "early bird special" and $99.99 regular membership. No doubt when they become HP it will be even more irrelevant to the cause of preserving old DEC gear. I sure hope they offer lifetime VAX licenses at some point. --Chuck

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IBM 5394-01B 3 1/2" diskette controller

by dtwright＠uiuc.edu

There are two of these available near where I work, if anyone is interested. They're about 2/3 the size of an IBM 5150 PC and each has 1 3 1/2" drive in it. They also contain disks labeled "IBM 5394 SYSTEM DISKETTE". If anyone's interested, please contact me off-list. There's no guarantee of availability as these things are not actually in my posession, but I doubt they're going anywhere :) You'd pay shipping & handling but that's it. - Dan Wright (dtwright(a)uiuc.edu) (http://www.uiuc.edu/~dtwright) -] ------------------------------ [-] -------------------------------- [- ``Weave a circle round him thrice, / And close your eyes with holy dread, For he on honeydew hath fed, / and drunk the milk of Paradise.'' Samuel Taylor Coleridge, Kubla Khan

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one shoe down ...

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: John Allain [mailto:allain@panix.com] > Start? Let's see... > First VMS is renamed to OpenVMS. > Then the entirety of digital is bought out. > Then the VAX line is discontinued. > Then the Alpha Chip is discontinued. > (think this is the chronology. corrections?) Some of the above is more worrying than the rest. It would be interesting, though, to see what would have happened to VAX had it not been discontinued. Perhaps a VAX implementation over an Alpha core, along the lines of recent intel chips. > All joking aside, if PDP/RSTS is still alive, > as I think was said on this list, then add at least http://www.mentec.com/ They seem to make quite a bit of cash from the PDP stuff still. Regards, Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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Adam Computer

by csmith＠amdocs.com

I wonder whether you can get one and high-speed-dub it? :) I may try something like this, myself. I have a "buck rogers" game tape. If I'm lucky, there's more formatting than tape, and it can be copied to another tape -- or to an AIFF file for re-production. Regards, Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); ' > -----Original Message----- > From: Gary Hildebrand [mailto:ghldbrd@ccp.com] > Not much . . . except as a curiosity. I did you you should have been > able to run cp/m on it. The trick is getting formatted casette tapes.

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AM radio music

by knightstalkerbob＠netscape.net

If I remember correctly, there was a machine code program printed once to play "music" with a ZX80 using this method! Bob Mason John Foust <jfoust(a)threedee.com> wrote: > >Time for the daily relay of an on-topic (?) post >from Slashdot: > >http://www.erikyyy.de/tempest/ > >A new twist on an old trick... Someone's written a >program that plays music on AM radios by changing >the pattern on the video screen. > >I'm sure it's only a matter of time before someone >writes a converter that "plays" sampled audio or even >MP3s in this way. > >- John > > -- Bob Mason 2x Amiga 500's, GVP A530 (40mhz 68030/68882, 8meg Fast, SCSI), 1.3/3.1, 2meg Chip, full ECS chipset, EZ135, 1084S, big harddrives, 2.2xCD Gateway Performance 500 Piece 'o Crap, 'ME, 128meg, 20Gig, flatbed. Heathkit H-89A, 64K RAM, hard and soft-sectored floppies, SigmaSoft and Systems 256K RAM Drive/Print Spooler/Graphics board HDOS 2 & CP/M 2.2.03/2.2.04 __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/

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still forgot it

by Golemancd＠aol.com

http://www.free-ip.com/

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6502 here is the url

by Golemancd＠aol.com

forgot the url or i think i got it wrong

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Inaccessible CP/M programs in Altair32

by RCini＠congressfinancial.com

Don: The emulator is running CP/M 2.2. It can also run AltairDOS and Microsoft Disk BASIC (all of which I have images for). I also have a 5mb CP/M hard disk image. Rich ========================== Richard A. Cini, Jr. Congress Financial Corporation 1133 Avenue of the Americas 30th Floor New York, NY 10036 (212) 545-4402 (212) 840-6259 (facsimile) -----Original Message----- From: Don Maslin [mailto:donm@cts.com] Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 4:50 PM To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: Inaccessible CP/M programs in Altair32 On Mon, 26 Nov 2001, Jim Battle wrote: > True, but Rich's emulator is of an Altair -- one with an 8080 in it. ZCPR2 > & 3 were Z80-only affairs, I believe. If he is running a true emulator, I would presume that he was running CP/M-1.4 would he not? If that is so, is it not true that user areas did not come into play until CP/M-2.x? - don > I recently picked up Richard Conn's ZCPR book for $10, but I haven't yet > had time to do more than page through it quickly. It looks like it was an > interesting system; the author was obviously influenced by unix. > > > At 08:33 AM 11/26/01 +0100, Sipke de Wal wrote: > >ZCPR2 & 3 (CP/M extensions) even allowed > >for 32 USER levels (0 .. 31) > > > >Sipke de Wal > >------------------------------------------------- > >http://xgistor.ath.cx > >------------------------------------------------- > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Jim Battle <frustum(a)pacbell.net> > >To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> > >Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 7:51 AM > >Subject: Re: Inaccessible CP/M programs in Altair32 > > > > > > > Good point -- > > > > > > to flesh it out a bit more, there could be up to 16 different "user" areas > > > on the disk, which go from 0 to 15. Files were tagged with a nibble > > > indicating which user area the file belonged to. > > > > > > To change user areas, type: > > > > > > USER 1 > > > > > > to change to user area 1. By default you are in user 0. Changing to each > > > user area and typing "dir" to see if anything is there is a drag. To find > > > out which, if any, user areas have active files, type: > > > > > > STAT USR: > > > > > > and it responds with something like: > > > > > > Active User: 0 > > > Active Files: 0 1 > > > > > > to indicate you are currently in user 0 area and that user areas 0 and 1 > > > have files in them. > > > (confirmed on *my* CP/M emulator!) > > > > > > > > > At 10:18 PM 11/25/01 -0800, you wrote: > > > >I'm not an expert in Altair CP/M but I do remember one other aspect. It > > > >wasn't password protection but I do remember the concept of differnt user > > > >#'s. It wasn't complicated but somthing like user #'s 1-8. Once you > > > >were that user I seem to remember only the files belonging to that user > > > >showing up... > > > > > > > >Might be a dead end... Just a thought... > > > > > > > >George Rachor > > > > > > > >========================================================= > > > >George L. Rachor Jr. george(a)rachors.com > > > >Hillsboro, Oregon http://rachors.com > > > >United States of America Amateur Radio : KD7DCX > > > > > > > >On Sun, 25 Nov 2001, Jim Battle wrote: > > > > > > > > > At 10:06 PM 11/25/01 -0500, you wrote: > > > > > >Hi: > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm making progress with using CP/M under Altair32, but I > > have > > > > > > one newbie > > > > > >question since I don't have much experience with CP/M. > > > > > > > > > > > > The disk image I have shows one program in the directory, > > > > > > STAT.COM. Running > > > > > >STAT tells me that there is about 167k free (on a 330k disk). Looking > > > > at the > > > > > >disk image file with a hex file editor reveals that there's more > > > > programs on > > > > > >the disk. > > > > > > > > > > > > I seem to remember something about password protection on > > a CP/M > > > > > > disk. How > > > > > >do I get around this so that I can see what else is on this image? > > > > > > > > > > It isn't password protection. Files can be marked as "system" > > files, so > > > > > that they don't show up when you do a "DIR". I think "STAT *.* > > $DIR" will > > > > > revert all hidden files back to normal. > > > > > > > > > > ----- > > > > > Jim Battle == frustum(a)pacbell.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- > > > Jim Battle == frustum(a)pacbell.net > > > > > ----- > Jim Battle == frustum(a)pacbell.net > >

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AM radio music

by jfoust＠threedee.com

Time for the daily relay of an on-topic (?) post >from Slashdot: http://www.erikyyy.de/tempest/ A new twist on an old trick... Someone's written a program that plays music on AM radios by changing the pattern on the video screen. I'm sure it's only a matter of time before someone writes a converter that "plays" sampled audio or even MP3s in this way. - John

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one shoe down ...

by CordaAJ＠nswc.navy.mil

If I remember properly, the licences issued on behalf of the hobbyist VAX/VMS effort were good for 1 year only (from date of issue?) and needed to be re-issued every year (please correct me if I'm wrong... I am not very VMS literate :-) At the time I remember reading of this, someone indicated that it wouldn't be a problem, since all you needed to get a new licence was a current DECUS membership (which was free)... we were told not to worry.... Well, apparently we should now start worrying.... -al- -acorda(a)1bigred.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Ethan Dicks [mailto:erd_6502@yahoo.com] > Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 2:45 PM > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: one shoe down ... > > > > --- Chuck McManis <cmcmanis(a)mcmanis.com> wrote: > > Well the "new" Encompass site is updated and guess what, no > "free DECUS" > > memberships anymore, now its $79.99 "early bird special" and $99.99 > > regular > > membership. No doubt when they become HP it will be even > more irrelevant > > to > > the cause of preserving old DEC gear. I sure hope they > offer lifetime VAX > > licenses at some point. > > For those of us DECUS members who have not yet gotten any hobbyist VAX > licenses, is it too late? I have one of the recent hobby CDs > and a bunch > of 6.x originals, so media isn't a real problem, but licenses are. > > What about a project to hack LMF? There was a lot of > controversy a while > back about the "Screw LMF" T-Shirt at a Symposium with, IIRC, > a 5.2 and > 5.3 patch (details of exact versions fuzzy). Did DEC decide > to lock stuff > down after 5.x or is it still possible to simply bypass > checks in LMF.EXE > to always grant a license? > > It just sucks to have something as cool as non-commercial > licenses granted > for free change to require a paid-memebership to an > organization to get > them for free. In any case, I don't expect to _pay_ to join > Encompass. I > would think that losing a substantial quantity of members > would cause them > to re-think their policies (including folding, since it _does_ cost to > run an organization, but normally, those costs are considered > absorbable > because of the greater benefit to the bottom-line that such > an organization > represents). > > -ethan > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. > http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 >

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PDP-8/E questions

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Nov 26, 21:06, ajp166 wrote: > The undercoat is the right one. Keep in mind the color is light gray > and can look almost white in a gamma saturated picture. > > Also over the early years DEC standard gray has never been exactly > the same color. It tended to standardize over time. Thanks! That's kind of what I thought. I'll go to the car accessory shop tonight and see how close a mtch I can get. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Microvax, M3118-YA and pinouts

by ncherry＠home.com

I just bid on an M3118-YA (16 port Async card) and won. Will it work in a MV 3400 and does anyone know the pin outs (in case I don't get the cable)? Thanks -- Linux Home Automation Neil Cherry ncherry(a)home.net http://members.home.net/ncherry (Text only) http://linuxha.sourceforge.net/ (SourceForge) http://hcs.sourceforge.net/ (HCS II)

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FS: Victor Technologies Computers, Software, Documentation

by victor9000us＠yahoo.com

Please respond directly to victor9000us(a)yahoo.com The Victor 9000 was an impressive early generation 808x based PC designed by Chuck Peddle. With a (for the time) high resolution green screen no glare monitor, large 1.2mb 5 1/4" floppies, and built-in sound capabilities, it was an excellent machine. Indeed, Victor scored many early sales wins with large companies such as Ford Motor Cars. I have a considerable stash of Victor Technologies equipment, software, and documentation that I must part with. Read on... Victor Technologies Vicki Portable System ----------------------------------------- Rare Victor 9000 compatible portable (well, luggable, though smaller and lighter than the original Compaqs) >from the early 1980s. This system has dual 1.2 mb 5 1/4" floppy drives, 640KB of memory, keyboard, built-in small green screen (8" or so I think), and built-in serial and parallel ports. (Floppies are NOT PC/AT compatible, as Victors use a variable speed floppy system to achieve 1.2mb.) System is in full working order (I booted it yesterday to make sure), and comes with MS-DOS 2.11 and MS-DOS 3.1 for Vicki and diagnostics diskettes. Victor 9000 System with PlusPC IBM Compatibility Kit ---------------------------------------------------- When Victor realized that PCs and PC clones were going to become the standard, they created the PlusPC kit to retrofit Victor 9000s to become PC compatible. PlusPC systems can boot in either "V" mode, which is fully Victor compatible or "I" mode which is fully PC compatible (with the exception of not being able to format 360K diskettes). System can read and write both PC 360K diskettes and Victor 640K single side or 1.2mb double side diskettes. This Victor 9000 system has had the PlusPC kit installed. It is a dual double-sided floppy system (the PlusPC was installable only on double sided floppy machines) with 512K of RAM and built in serial and parallel ports. It comes with power cables, MS-DOS for PlusPC, MS-DOS for Victor 9000, monitor, keyboard, and manuals. The system works-- I booted it yesterday. Also included are a set of customer built, foam lined, hard sided carrying cases for the system. I also think I have the original controller board that will let you turn this back into a pure Victor 9000-- if I have it, I'll include it with the system. Victor 9000 Networking Equipment -------------------------------- I have a few (4 I think) Victor 9000 Network cards. I also have the network interface boxes, some cabling, software for DOS 1.25 and 2.11, documentation, and device driver software. The hardware was all taken >from a working network a few years ago, and I believe it all works, but I won't promise. Just about guaranteed to be incompatible with any other network hardware. ;-) Other Victor 9000 Hardware -------------------------- 1 PlusPC Kit, not installed in a system, with manuals still in shrink wrap. 2 or 3 Victor 9000 memory boards from various manufacturers. May not work (I'm sure one doesn't), but also full of memory chips. 1 Victor clock card. May or may not work. Miniscribe III hard disk. May or may not work. Victor 9000 Software and Tool Kits ---------------------------------- MS-DOS 1.25 for Victor 9000 MS-DOS 2.11 for Victor 9000 MS-DOS 3.1 for Victor 9000 CP/M-86 for Victor 9000 Victor Hard Disk Tool Kit Victor Hard Disk Tool Kit II Victor Graphics Tool Kit Victor Graphics Tool Kit II Victor Programmers Tool Kit Victor Audio Tool Kit with audio amplifier card (Allows voice recording. The victors have a built in voice playback capability.) Victor CP/M-80 system with Z-80 card. Yep, you really can run Z-80 programs on a Victor. Assorted Victor diagnostic disks Word Perfect 4.x (DOS version) for Victor 9000 with manuals Complete VictorPULSE public domain software library- over 70 disks of software, information, and documentation for Victor 9000s. Write Crane RAM disk for Victor 9000 White Crane Brooklyn bridge (PC transfer software) for Victor 9000 Fancy Font (scalable fonts from dot matrix printers) for Victor 9000 Victor Documentation -------------------- Victor Hardware Reference Manual Victor Supplementary Hardware Reference Manual (This is also available in electronic form as one of the disks in the public domain software set.) Victor Field Service Bulletins Valid Technologies Memory Board manual & diagnostics Pretty complete set of Channel 9000 (Victor User Group) newsletters Odds and Ends ------------- US Robotics Courier 2400 (external) modem. (Yes, there is communication software in all that software above-- it's in with the public domain stuff. No, it won't do TCP/IP.) US Robotics Sportster 9600 (external) modem Citizen 120D dot-matrix printer Panasonic KXP1092 dot-matrix printer Large supply of blank 5 1/4" disks. TERMS AND CONDITIONS -------------------- Make an offer. I would prefer to send it all out as one huge load or several large ones, but will consider other proposals. All items are available as is, without warranty. I've powered up the systems to make sure they work. Most other stuff should (and did the last time I used it) work unless I've made a note to the contrary. It would be a real pain to try and install and test it all again now, so I'm not. Shipping from southern New Hampshire is *your* responsibility, though I could probably be persuaded to deliver within a reasonable driving distance (an hour or less). :-) There's a lot here.... if someone wants the works (my first choice), it's probably enough for a small pallet load. You got questions? Just ask. Please respond directly to victor9000us(a)yahoo.com-- not to the mailing list. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1

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one shoe down ...

by pechter＠ureach.com

When I can't get the license files anymore, I guess my VAX goes from OpenVMS to NetBSD. Bill -- Bill Pechter Systems Administrator uReach Technologies 732-335-5432 (Work) 877-661-2126 (Fax) ---- On Mon, 26 Nov 2001, Chuck McManis (cmcmanis(a)mcmanis.com) wrote: > Well the "new" Encompass site is updated and guess what, no "free DECUS" > > memberships anymore, now its $79.99 "early bird special" and $99.99 > regular > membership. No doubt when they become HP it will be even more irrelevant > to > the cause of preserving old DEC gear. I sure hope they offer lifetime > VAX > licenses at some point. > > --Chuck > > > >

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PDP-8/E questions

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

The undercoat is the right one. Keep in mind the color is light gray and can look almost white in a gamma saturated picture. Also over the early years DEC standard gray has never been exactly the same color. It tended to standardize over time. Allison -----Original Message----- From: Pete Turnbull <pete(a)dunnington.u-net.com> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Monday, November 26, 2001 7:36 PM Subject: Re: PDP-8/E questions >On Nov 25, 1:13, Pete Turnbull wrote: > >> The front bezel (frame round the panel) has been repainted white, and the >> paint has flaked or chipped off in places, to reveal a chipped coat of >> beige paint. I'd like to refinish and respray it. What's the correct >> colour? > >On Nov 25, 1:28, Tony Duell wrote: > >> Mine is the normal DEC white colour (same as an RK05 or RX01, or... >panel). >> And I don't think it's ever been repainted > >On Nov 24, 21:03, ajp166 wrote: >> DEC gray #68 A color close to eggshell toward very light gray. > >OK, so which? White or gray? I'm inclined to believe Allison, as my RX02 >is the same colour as my QBus machines, and that's gray. But my 11/40 is >lighter than that (though still not white), and in the pictures on David >Gesswein's pages (eg http://www.pdp8.net/pdp8em/pics/topboards.shtml?small) >it looks decidely white.... > >Mine has obviously had a thick coat (undercoat?) of grey, same colour as my >RX02, 11/23plus, 11/03, 11T23, 11/34, etc; but also had a thinner coat of >white on top. > >-- >Pete Peter Turnbull > Network Manager > University of York

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Finally got a Hayes Chronograph!

by erd_6502＠yahoo.com

After much searching (and missing two that went for auction when I was on vacation), a Hayes Chronograph has finally fallen into my waiting hands. Turns out one of the people I was camping with when I was on vacation had one in the basement that he just gave me. He picked it up 7 years ago for $10 at a Hamfest. I had to resolder the AC jack and it now works great! I was contemplating writing a Perl module to front-end it (and hide the AT syntax for setting/reading it). I was curious if anyone had any suggestions about where it belongs on CPAN (since I was planning on giving the code away). I wasn't sure if it belonged in the "Time" branch or if there were a more appropriate branch for device "drivers" in Perl. I was contemplating an approach were you create a Chronograph "object" and have it set the time to either now or a given time and return the time in text or seconds-since-the-epoch format. A Perl module would also give me a place to document the command syntax for the future - currently the only thing I've seen is a single CP/M program in assembler and the scanned docs on a classiccmp member's site (Thanks muchly, Rich!). Cheers, -ethan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1

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360k versus 1.2Mb floppy drives...

by schiska＠mindspring.com

Does anyone know if there is a way to tell which is which by looking at the drive?. FTM the 720k vs 1.44Mb 3 1/2" drives. Thanks in advance... R..

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Lisa Success.....finally...

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Jeff Hellige [mailto:jhellige@earthlink.net] > Does yours have an external parallel connector or an internal > hard disk or possibly both? I'm pretty sure all Mac XL's lack the > external parallel connector, unless there's an expansion card fitted > for use with the Profile drive, and that it would be like a Lisa 2/10 That's not completely true -- at least for the Mac XL that I've seen. The plug for the internal hard disk was ran via ribbon-cable out of the case, and connected into the external port. Regards, Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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PDP-8/E questions

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Nov 25, 1:13, Pete Turnbull wrote: > The front bezel (frame round the panel) has been repainted white, and the > paint has flaked or chipped off in places, to reveal a chipped coat of > beige paint. I'd like to refinish and respray it. What's the correct > colour? On Nov 25, 1:28, Tony Duell wrote: > Mine is the normal DEC white colour (same as an RK05 or RX01, or... panel). > And I don't think it's ever been repainted On Nov 24, 21:03, ajp166 wrote: > DEC gray #68 A color close to eggshell toward very light gray. OK, so which? White or gray? I'm inclined to believe Allison, as my RX02 is the same colour as my QBus machines, and that's gray. But my 11/40 is lighter than that (though still not white), and in the pictures on David Gesswein's pages (eg http://www.pdp8.net/pdp8em/pics/topboards.shtml?small) it looks decidely white.... Mine has obviously had a thick coat (undercoat?) of grey, same colour as my RX02, 11/23plus, 11/03, 11T23, 11/34, etc; but also had a thinner coat of white on top. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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wtb apple game paddles

by rhudson＠cnonline.net

Anyone have a set of apple game paddles, to plug in to the 9pin female port on the back of my appleiie or apple ii c plus? to spare?

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Multibus I items For Sale

by r_beaudry＠hotmail.com

Hello all, I am trimming back my collection of Multibus I items. I am still keeping some card cages, power supplies, prototyping cards, and other cards, but I need to make room for other stuff :-) I would like to get some small amount of $$ per card, plus shipping, so please make offers. I will take offers until Thursday morning, to give the international and digest readers time to make offers. Stuff goes to the highest bidder, and remember, $0.00 is a valid bid. The vast majority of this stuff is untested, and is sold strictly as-is, so keep that in mind when bidding. I'm not looking for eBay prices, but I did pay for a lot of this stuff, so I'd like to get some of it back. Oh, by the way, MAKE ALL OFFERS OFF-LIST!!!!! I will NOT post updates to the list. Offers made to the list will be summarily dropped in the bit-bucket, and the offender will be summarily dropped into the molten iron bucket. Also, please do NOT email me and ask what the current high bid is. Make your bid, and deal with it :-) No documentation is included, unless stated explicitly below. Here's the list: - Qty. 8 Intel PWA-1000359 (seven are further marked "REV 01B"). These are in fair condition, some scratches on the tops of some ICs, and the ceramic caps are scratched. Also, the rotary switches for address decoding have lost a bit of their "snap", and are mushy to turn. - Qty. 7 Micro Industries BLC-508 I/O Expansion board. Seven of these are still in their original box, with waranty card. The eighth is unboxed, but in equally excellent condition. These are very nice boards, and although they all show light markings on the edge connectors, they haven't been used a lot. Rotary switches all snap nicely. - Qty. 1 National Semicondutor BLC-508 I/O Expansion board. Nice condition, very clean. - Qty. 1 Intel Comm. Expansion Board, PWA 1001197-04 L B F. Looks like an SBC-534, but it's not marked "534", so I'm not sure. Board in good condition. - Qty. 1 Ciprico Tapemaster. P/N 81006101A. 2 50-pin connectors for tapes, board in nice clean condition. - Qty. 1 OMEX Interface/Format Memory board. No idea what this is for, but the board is in nice clean condition. - Qty. 1 SMD 2180. Again, no idea what the board is for. 1 60-pin connector, 4 26-pin connectors. Nice clean condition. - Qty. 3 Multibus bus-extender boards. One is by Prototek, one by National Semiconductor, and the third is a no-name brand. - Qty. 1 Intersil MCB 512 memory board. Again, nice and clean. I believe I also have the manual for this. - Qty. 1 Plessey PSM 512 memory board. Nice and clean. I believe I have the manual for this. The Plessey board, or the Intersil board (can't remember) is not fully populated, and does not have sockets for the missing chips (ie, you'd have to solder in sockets, or solder in the chips). Keep that in mind.... Shipping will be by USPS to anywhere in the world they let me ship.... I will quote actual shipping charges when I know who gets what.... Thanks! Rich B.

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PDP11 Processor handbook

by rhudson＠cnonline.net

I just picked up a PDP11 processor handbook. Listed on the front also the pdp11/04/24/34a/44/70. There is a picture of two of the shorter white system cabinets, one i guess is one of the front loading tape driver the other case has two "RL02" unit separated by "somthing" perhaps a cpu with no front panel lights. The book is copyrighted 1981. Has this book been scaned? is it already available on the internet? If not, I will make it available to someone who will scan it and return it to me..

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Northstar

by csmith＠amdocs.com

Hi everybody. Somebody wrote sometime in the last couple of days about some Northstar S-100 machines that are soon to become available. I would respond directly, but I've lost the post. I may be interested in one of them. Please email me. (this address: csmith(a)amdocs.com) Regards, Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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Inaccessible CP/M programs in Altair32

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

Zcpr (V1) could be run on 8080 (compiled for) with reduced features. The advantage of this was an enhanced CCP,. There were several other enhanced CCP replacements Xccp being one that could also run on 8080. It was the code efficientcy of the z80 over 8080 that essentially killed the 8080 as many apps could use the Z80 instructions to compact code, sometimes significantly. ZCPR relied on this as did The BDOS replacements (P2dos, Suprbdos, NOVAdos, Z80dos). Allison -----Original Message----- From: Jim Battle <frustum(a)pacbell.net> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Monday, November 26, 2001 3:48 AM Subject: Re: Inaccessible CP/M programs in Altair32 True, but Rich's emulator is of an Altair -- one with an 8080 in it. ZCPR2 & 3 were Z80-only affairs, I believe. I recently picked up Richard Conn's ZCPR book for $10, but I haven't yet had time to do more than page through it quickly. It looks like it was an interesting system; the author was obviously influenced by unix. At 08:33 AM 11/26/01 +0100, Sipke de Wal wrote: >ZCPR2 & 3 (CP/M extensions) even allowed >for 32 USER levels (0 .. 31) > >Sipke de Wal >------------------------------------------------- >http://xgistor.ath.cx >------------------------------------------------- > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Jim Battle <frustum(a)pacbell.net> >To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> >Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 7:51 AM >Subject: Re: Inaccessible CP/M programs in Altair32 > > > > Good point -- > > > > to flesh it out a bit more, there could be up to 16 different "user" areas > > on the disk, which go from 0 to 15. Files were tagged with a nibble > > indicating which user area the file belonged to. > > > > To change user areas, type: > > > > USER 1 > > > > to change to user area 1. By default you are in user 0. Changing to each > > user area and typing "dir" to see if anything is there is a drag. To find > > out which, if any, user areas have active files, type: > > > > STAT USR: > > > > and it responds with something like: > > > > Active User: 0 > > Active Files: 0 1 > > > > to indicate you are currently in user 0 area and that user areas 0 and 1 > > have files in them. > > (confirmed on *my* CP/M emulator!) > > > > > > At 10:18 PM 11/25/01 -0800, you wrote: > > >I'm not an expert in Altair CP/M but I do remember one other aspect. It > > >wasn't password protection but I do remember the concept of differnt user > > >#'s. It wasn't complicated but somthing like user #'s 1-8. Once you > > >were that user I seem to remember only the files belonging to that user > > >showing up... > > > > > >Might be a dead end... Just a thought... > > > > > >George Rachor > > > > > >========================================================= > > >George L. Rachor Jr. george(a)rachors.com > > >Hillsboro, Oregon http://rachors.com > > >United States of America Amateur Radio : KD7DCX > > > > > >On Sun, 25 Nov 2001, Jim Battle wrote: > > > > > > > At 10:06 PM 11/25/01 -0500, you wrote: > > > > >Hi: > > > > > > > > > > I'm making progress with using CP/M under Altair32, but I > have > > > > > one newbie > > > > >question since I don't have much experience with CP/M. > > > > > > > > > > The disk image I have shows one program in the directory, > > > > > STAT.COM. Running > > > > >STAT tells me that there is about 167k free (on a 330k disk). Looking > > > at the > > > > >disk image file with a hex file editor reveals that there's more > > > programs on > > > > >the disk. > > > > > > > > > > I seem to remember something about password protection on > a CP/M > > > > > disk. How > > > > >do I get around this so that I can see what else is on this image? > > > > > > > > It isn't password protection. Files can be marked as "system" > files, so > > > > that they don't show up when you do a "DIR". I think "STAT *.* > $DIR" will > > > > revert all hidden files back to normal. > > > > > > > > ----- > > > > Jim Battle == frustum(a)pacbell.net > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- > > Jim Battle == frustum(a)pacbell.net > > ----- Jim Battle == frustum(a)pacbell.net

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Central Point option floppy controller

by schiska＠mindspring.com

I just found a thread about this old card and was wondering if anyone knows where I can purchase one or of a forum where I might be able to make this sort of request. I apologize if this is out of context for this forum. Thank you. Ray...

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*HELP* - How do I temporarily unsubscribe?

by marino13＠btinternet.com

Hi all Quickie which I need a quick reply to - How do I tempoarily suspend recieving posts from the group? I'm on holiday for 2 weeks very soon (1.5 days!) and don't fancy a few thousand posts in my mail when I return. Cheers! Shaun

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by meltlet＠fastmail.fm

...ing, please ignore!

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Lisa Success.....finally...

by csmith＠amdocs.com

I don't know about a Lisalite board, but it did have an "XLerator" CPU daughterboard, which, among other things, prevented it from booting Lisa OS, AFAIK. :) Regards, Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); ' > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeff Hellige [mailto:jhellige@earthlink.net] > If the Mac XL in question has the external parallel port, > Lisalite board, and old style I/O board, then it's not a Mac XL but > an upgraded Lisa 2 or Lisa 2/5. The factory Macintosh XL's were all > based on the Lisa 2/10 with the internal parallel port connector, for > use with the Widget hard disk, and the updated I/O board which no > longer required the use of the Lisalite board.

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PDP11 Processor handbook

by rhudson＠cnonline.net

I just picked up a PDP11 processor handbook. Listed on the front also the pdp11/04/24/34a/44/70. There is a picture of two of the shorter white system cabinets, one i guess is one of the front loading tape driver the other case has two "RL02" unit separated by "somthing" perhaps a cpu with no front panel lights. The book is copyrighted 1981. Has this book been scaned? is it already available on the internet? If not, I will make it available to someone who will scan it and return it to me..

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Lisa/UnixPC(Was: Say it ain't so, Joe!)

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Mike [mailto:dogas@bellsouth.net] > and floppy that I hope to migrate to one of my machines so I > may need that > parallel cable I already gave Dave Greelesh the keyboard and > mouse for his > Lisa. I did get alot of software for it that I haven't tried > yet and maybe > an extra i/o board, lemme check... That would be great if you've got it. The rest of the Mac XL is still setting around. (Honestly, though, I wish it were a Lisa rather than an XL. :) As for the parallel cable, I don't know how the internal drive cable was wired up (:/) but I know that you can plug a straight-through parallel cable (like the macintosh "scsi" cable) into the back, and connect a profile hard disk that way. > > Software and everything. I managed to get the SVR3.0 > development kit > > working with the R3.5 OS that I've got. It's pretty > functional at this > > point. > They are cool!. I've been playing around with it and having > alota fun. > Its got the developer package installed (among others) and > some funky phone > demon running but is a real nice environment with C and > Curses. Enough to > make me happy. The funky phone daemon is pretty cool. I used to leave the UnixPC on and connected to the telephone just so I could use it to put people on hold ;) > That's great! I akso found two 3b2's (a 400 and a 1000-80m) > and a AT&T > terminal a while back too but haven't tried them yet. I have a 3b2, myself, but it doesn't power on yet. Just sort of sets there. No idea what's wrong. > > ...had a sign taped to it that says "will not play games, good for > > programmers." > > I think they were serious. > barbarians! ;) He still has the sign on it, I think... Regards, Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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Remington Rand 409

by egendorf＠mit.edu

I am helping to gather original documents and/or artifacts concerning the Remington Rand 409-series computers for the Remington Rand museum being set up in Rowayton, CT. The models of interest are the 409-2 and the 409-2R. These are tube, punch-card, and programming panel machines from the 1950s. We are interested in documenting the location of all surviving artifacts, but also would like to acquire particularly interesting items by donation or purchase. We are looking specifically for anything related to the programming of these machines, such as the programming panels, programming manuals, or the programming jumper wires. Photographs or drawings of programming panels (originals or reproduced in third-party publications), with or without programs wired on them, also would be of interest. If you have any of the above, or have more general items such as Remington Rand brand computer tubes or punch cards, whether or not you wish to sell or donate them, please e-mail me at: egendorf(a)mit.edu. Thanks.

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Lisa/UnixPC(Was: Say it ain't so, Joe!)

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Mike [mailto:dogas@bellsouth.net] > finally being shuffled here. It was an adventure over miles > with a car on > the verge of catrastrophe, filled to the brim. Anyway, > here's my recent > 'new finds' list... [snip] > Apple Lisa w/widget&software & Macintosh Portable Wonderful computers. I've been working on restoring one, myself. Need a new cable for the internal HD (Or at least a new connector to plug into the HD port) Mine is a conglomeration of Mac XL (the newer model that wasn't compatible with Lisa OS) and Lisa parts. I believe the Lisa IO board is toasted, so that came from the XL (Which was functional but physically trashed) Incidentally, please let me know if you find a way to make a bootable backup of Lisa OS or Macworks. :) (Not that I'll be backing Macworks up until I fix the internal drive cable) [snip] > AT&T UnixPC and hd drive and software These are great. I picked up one of these from a university I used to attend. It was about to get trashed, and somebody I knew at the time picked it up along with the seven or so others that were going out of style. Software and everything. I managed to get the SVR3.0 development kit working with the R3.5 OS that I've got. It's pretty functional at this point. Since then, I've located a brand new one at a local computer store (really), and acquired that for my SO. We've even still got the original box. :) She has since gotten some original manuals. I also have a friend who picked one up a the scrap yard for near nothing. ...had a sign taped to it that says "will not play games, good for programmers." I think they were serious. [chop] Regards, Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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Adam Computer

by csmith＠amdocs.com

-----Original Message----- From: SUPRDAVE(a)aol.com [mailto:SUPRDAVE@aol.com] > In a message dated 11/25/2001 2:02:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, gehrich(a)tampabay.rr.com writes: >> Does anybody have any idea of the value of a brand new in boxes Adam computer? > like the old saying goes, it's worth whatever someone will pay for it. How many cassette drives do they have? Personally, I'd be willing to pay something like $20 us for one, plus shipping. You may or may not be able to get more elsewhere. Contact me by mail if you're selling. ;) I have a CPU box, and a keyboard. It would be worth that money to me so that I could get an original power supply and cables. Regards, Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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Lisa Success.....finally...

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Jeffrey H. Ingber [mailto:jhingber@ix.netcom.com] > clicks (the mouse is good, and tested with an older Mac). The mouse I > have has a more 'square' mouse button as opposed to the long, thin > 'rectanguar' mouse button sometimes seen with these machines: [snip] > mouse I have. There are no 'receptacles' to catch the thumbscrews on > the mouse, and there ins't the ususal metal 'band' around the D-Sub > connector on the motherboard. It's either not supposed to be > there, or > it acts as a ground and is missing. I suspect this why the mouse > doesn't register button clicks but I'm not sure. > > I'll relace the connector with a new one, but only if I'm sure this is > the problem. The mouse is compatible. I have one plugged into my Lisa, but here's the deal with the serial port: It seems that the Lisa mouse setup was a little strange. The port was covered by a plastic "hood," which attached to the back of the case by snapping into two little holes. One hole on each side of the port. This covers the metal "ring" that you're looking for. (I assume the Mac mouse is also looking for it ;) If you've got the mouse plugged in, chances are good you'll yank the hood off when you try to unplug the mouse. Otherwise, you will snap the plastic catches on this hood when/if you try to remove it, AFAIK. You should be able to take a flat screwdriver, and put it in-between the plastic hood and the case, and pry out on the plastic. It should pop right out. This will also make it much easier to plug/unplug the mouse. :) Regards, Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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Inaccessible CP/M programs in Altair32

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

CP/M marks a file delete by changing the first byte of the directory record with E5h to replace a value of 00 to less than 040h. It also does so for every file extent for that file in the directory. A completely empty directory by default contained the E5h mark as formatters back tehn used that as the data fill on a freshly formatted disk. Allison -----Original Message----- From: John Foust <jfoust(a)threedee.com> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Monday, November 26, 2001 9:30 AM Subject: Re: Inaccessible CP/M programs in Altair32 > >When CP/M deleted a file, did it just put a zero >at the start of the filename (like DOS), or did it erase the >entire field? Perhaps Rich saw deleted files... > >- John > >

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70's Mattel Handheld Football game...

by mythtech＠Mac.com

>> Now speaking of handhelds, does anyone remember playing the handheld >> pinball game? I can't think of the name of it right now... > >Oh yeah. I remember that. But my recollection is as vague as yours >because I can't remember any details. Wildfire? Black thing with pinball shape and display. I had that (probably still do in my parents basement... we all moved out and abondoned all our junk there... hehehe). I seem to recall mine doesn't work anymore... I think it shorted out when I used an atari 2600 power adaptor to give it DC power. Probably something I can fix these days, just hadn't given it much thought until now. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Inaccessible CP/M programs in Altair32

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

Correct save for CP/M only used 0-15 for the V2.x and ZCPR extended this to 0-31. The areas were not protected directly from each other but were logically seperate. It made file management easier on a logical volutme without a heirarchial (non flat) directory structure. FYI: the byte used to carry user is the 0th of the 32 bytes in a directory entry. Values (byte) 0E5h, 0FFh, 0FEh are reserved for erased(e5), deleted(Fx). To add to this the high order bits of the file name 8.3 are reserved for control/ Those bits control RO, system(invisible) and other status items. All file names were 7bit ascii. ZCPR and other utility programs extended and used those bits for things like archive status abd public files(accessable from any user #). Allison -----Original Message----- From: George Leo Rachor Jr. <george(a)racsys.rt.rain.com> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Monday, November 26, 2001 1:45 AM Subject: Re: Inaccessible CP/M programs in Altair32 >I'm not an expert in Altair CP/M but I do remember one other aspect. It >wasn't password protection but I do remember the concept of differnt user >#'s. It wasn't complicated but somthing like user #'s 1-8. Once you >were that user I seem to remember only the files belonging to that user >showing up... > >Might be a dead end... Just a thought... > >George Rachor > >========================================================= >George L. Rachor Jr. george(a)rachors.com >Hillsboro, Oregon http://rachors.com >United States of America Amateur Radio : KD7DCX > >On Sun, 25 Nov 2001, Jim Battle wrote: > >> At 10:06 PM 11/25/01 -0500, you wrote: >> >Hi: >> > >> > I'm making progress with using CP/M under Altair32, but I have >> > one newbie >> >question since I don't have much experience with CP/M. >> > >> > The disk image I have shows one program in the directory, >> > STAT.COM. Running >> >STAT tells me that there is about 167k free (on a 330k disk). Looking at the >> >disk image file with a hex file editor reveals that there's more programs on >> >the disk. >> > >> > I seem to remember something about password protection on a CP/M >> > disk. How >> >do I get around this so that I can see what else is on this image? >> >> It isn't password protection. Files can be marked as "system" files, so >> that they don't show up when you do a "DIR". I think "STAT *.* $DIR" will >> revert all hidden files back to normal. >> >> ----- >> Jim Battle == frustum(a)pacbell.net >> >> > >

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Inaccessible CP/M programs in Altair32

by rcini＠optonline.net

Hi: I'm making progress with using CP/M under Altair32, but I have one newbie question since I don't have much experience with CP/M. The disk image I have shows one program in the directory, STAT.COM. Running STAT tells me that there is about 167k free (on a 330k disk). Looking at the disk image file with a hex file editor reveals that there's more programs on the disk. I seem to remember something about password protection on a CP/M disk. How do I get around this so that I can see what else is on this image? Thanks. Rich Rich Cini Collector of classic computers Build Master for the Altair32 Emulation Project Web site: http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/classiccmp/ /************************************************************/

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where are the ml archives for Oct/Nov?

by cpg＠aladdin.de

Hi, I'm looking on the web page, but the archives end in September. I deleted some messages of today/yesterday by mistake.... regards, chris ************************************************************************************************** The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential. It is intended for the named recipient(s) only. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager or the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any one or make copies. ** eSafe AKS_MUC scanned this email for viruses, vandals and malicious content ** **************************************************************************************************

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SMC HDC9224 datasheet / pinout

by Antonio.Carlini＠riverstonenet.com

> Anyone know where there is a scanned or web version of the SMC HDC9224 > data sheet and pinout? Try a search on http://www.freetradezone.com for something containing hdc9224 and you'll find the datasheet (four times). The App Notes both look useful too. Note - freetradezone is about to stop being free, so don't hang about! Antonio arcarlini(a)iee.org

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Qbus & Unibus cards avalable, DRV-11 & RX01 & RX02 disk controllers & more

by Innfogra＠aol.com

Hi; I have posted the rest of the cards, that listmembers did not speak for under my eBay user name Innfosale. Most are cheap, starting at $4.00 Here is a URL: http://cgi6.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?MfcISAPICommand=ViewListedItems& userid=Innfosale&include=0&since=-1&sort=3&rows=50 I will ship internationally. The Global Priority envelope is $10 and will hold a dual width card. Air Mail is a little cheaper for several cards. Paxton Astoria, OR

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Is HSC90 a PDP-11 or what?

by gunther＠aurora.regenstrief.org

Who knows what processor/architecture an HSC90 is? Is it a PDP-11? What's it's bus? Sounds like it doesn't mix with UNIBUS or Q-BUS cards at least not looking at the card numbers "Lxxxx" (HSC) vs. "Mxxxx" (UNIBUS/Q-BUS). The reason I'm asking is that I'm looking for the most multi- use of my big-iron hardware that takes up so much space. I believe I will be able to run the console computer of my future 11/78x as a PDP-11. Would be nice if this is possible with the HSC90 as well. I would like to: - provide a PDP-11/RSX-11 environment for my neighbor to play with without getting a dedicated PDP-11. Probably I can do that in the future with the LSI-11 of the VAX 11/78x that hopefully some day will decorate my garage. - try running 2.9 BSD on a PDP-11. Not knowing much about 2.x BSD, I could imagine making the HSC90 into a UNIX-based file server or something. regards, -Gunther -- Gunther Schadow, M.D., Ph.D. gschadow(a)regenstrief.org Medical Information Scientist Regenstrief Institute for Health Care Adjunct Assistant Professor Indiana University School of Medicine tel:1(317)630-7960 http://aurora.regenstrief.org

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Want to be the subject of Christine Finn's next book?

by vcf＠vintage.org

Christine Finn, author of _Artifacts: An Archaeologist's Year in Silicon Valley_ (available for sale on Amazon, more information at http://www.artifactsthebook.com/) is starting on a new book that will cover how people use technology in the United States. She would like to profile/interview a collector in every state of the union, including Alaska and Hawaii. Christine says: "I am about to start on a follow up to 'Artifacts: an archaeologists's year in Silicon Valley'. It will also be published by MIT Press, and take a broader look at technology in America. Central to research will be travelling to as many parts of the US as I can - Hawaii and Alaska included - over the next year. However, I do have very limited resources and would be really grateful if any collectors or classic computer enthusiasts could offer me an overnight stay and/or a place for me to get online. More than that, it would give me the chance to meet more of you, and find out about how you feel about technology in its various forms. I can offer a copy of the book and an Artifacts reading/discussion in your locale, if you'd like to arrange it. "If you can help, do please get in touch with me christine.finn(a)arch.ox.ac.uk". If you would like to be considered, please respond directly to Christine at <christine.finn(a)arch.ox.ac.uk>. Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *

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