- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On December 12, Don Maslin wrote: > > > If you're talking about the terms, that was Rr. Adm. Grace Hopper. > > > > She coined "debug"; the the use of the word "bug" to denote > > a flaw in a design was in common use in Edison's time; some > > claim it was coined by early telegraphers. > > My recollection from one of her presentations some years ago was that > she claimed to have found the first computer bug in the Eniac - a moth > IIRC - and debugged it by removing said moth. > > She was a pretty level headed and down to earth lady. ...in spite of the whole COBOL thing. 8-| -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL

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RIP: Betty Holberton

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> On December 11, jpero(a)sympatico.ca wrote: > > Look to /. > > > > This is one whom coined the bug and debugging I think. :-) > > If you're talking about the terms, that was Rr. Adm. Grace Hopper. She coined "debug"; the the use of the word "bug" to denote a flaw in a design was in common use in Edison's time; some claim it was coined by early telegraphers. -dq

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Cats around computers

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

! From: Chris [mailto:mythtech@Mac.com] ! ! ! >Ok, I give up -- how do you train a cat? :) ! ! Water spray bottle works wonders. 3 spritz later and one of ! my cats has ! stopped popping the hampster cage open and carrying the ! hampster around ! the house. ! ! Some people say tape works well to keep them off things ! (sticky side up), ! but both my cats seem to rather like it, and I find they stand on it ! padding at the tape purring happily. They lick the adhesive too? --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818

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Cats around computers

by mythtech＠Mac.com

>>! Some people say tape works well to keep them off things >>! (sticky side up), >>! but both my cats seem to rather like it, and I find they stand on it >>! padding at the tape purring happily. > >They lick the adhesive too? Not that I have ever seen, they just step and press their paws against it over and over... kind of like when they are pressing down a pillow to sit, or in the case of one of mine, when he is hungry, he jumps on my lap, and presses his paws into my sternum over and over until I am annoyed (or in enough pain as he does it pretty hard), to get up and feed him. -c

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Prints for an 11/70

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On December 12, Douglas Quebbeman wrote: > I assume these Mentec PDP-11s aren' available at PC prices, > given they likely aren't produced in PC quantities... Of course not. But then, they're also not PCs, and they're not targeted at the desktop game-playing market. > Any info on the web? http://www.mentec.com. Nice stuff. -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL

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TRS-80 Model I Availible

by univac2＠earthlink.net

I found somebody who has a Model I with some other peripheral things for sale. He has an X-10 controller, hi-resolution joystick interface, maybe some other things too. Whoever's interested, email me off-list and I'll give you his phone number (he's not on the internet). Thanks, Owen

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Smoking around computers

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Dave McGuire [mailto:mcguire@neurotica.com] > On December 11, Don Maslin wrote: > > Yeh, probably as easy as training a cat! > Training cats is actually rather easy. It's commonly thought to be > difficult or impossible because most people try to train them using > the same methods they use to train dogs...which fail miserably. Ok, I give up -- how do you train a cat? :) Regards, Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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Smoking around computers

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On December 12, Christopher Smith wrote: > > Training cats is actually rather easy. It's commonly thought to be > > difficult or impossible because most people try to train them using > > the same methods they use to train dogs...which fail miserably. > > Ok, I give up -- how do you train a cat? :) One important thing is not to piss them off. Most dogs seem to exist to please their owners, and will do pretty much anything for them. Cats are much less "cheap" about it, for lack fo a better term...it's much more of a peer-to-peer relationship, but letting them know who's in control is still important. One can "dominate" a dog by intimidation, but one generally cannot with cats. You must have their trust and their respect, otherwise all is lost. And yes, the water bottle trick does work, but overuse of that technique...or use of it before the aforementioned trust and respect are established...will likely prove counterproductive. -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL

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RIP: Betty Holberton

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On December 11, jpero(a)sympatico.ca wrote: > Look to /. > > This is one whom coined the bug and debugging I think. :-) If you're talking about the terms, that was Rr. Adm. Grace Hopper. -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL

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NEW BOUNTY ADDED! (Software and manual bounties $$$)

by vcf＠vintage.org

I'm adding the following bounty to my list below: Xsoft TabWorks (any version though 1.0 is preferred) ($50) Xsoft is/was a division of Xerox. TabWorks was a tab pallet windows interface that ran on Windows 3.0. It was sold to Compaq and then to Citadel. --- I am putting up the following bounties for these software and manuals: Adobe After Effects 3.x ($30) Macromedia Sound Edit 16 1.0 ($30) Macromedia Final Cut ($30) Macromedia Freehand 5.0 ($30) GO PenPoint manual (copyright 1992) ($15) Also: MacWeek August 7, 1995 ($5) I need original copies of each, disks and manuals. If you've got them, or can find them, the bounty amount is yours (upon receipt and verification, shipping to be paid by me). Please reply directly to me: <sellam(a)vintage.org>. Thanks! Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org

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I've discovered a new pleasure.

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

! > From: David Woyciesjes <DAW(a)yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu> ! > ! > Speaking of drinking, Tuesdays (tonight!) are when my APA Pool Team ! > plays. We're in first, with only two more matches to go! Then playoffs ! > for ! > the States, then it's off to Vegas after States! Woo-hoo, hopefully! ! ! Hope you make it to Vegas! BTW what level are you? I shot for a few years ! but never made it beyond a 4. No problem making the shots but post-shot ! cue ball positioning hung me up. I'm only a skill level 3, after 5 years... :) Was a 4 for a short time last year. I can't consistently make shots. Sometimes I make the easy shots and mess up the hard ones; other times I make the hard ones and screw up the simple shots! Well we won 4 out of 5 matches last night. Pretty much buttons up our winning high-points for the session. That's about $200 or so for the team. Another $300 (I think) after we win the two play-off weeks. --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818

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RIP: Betty Holberton

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On December 12, Jeffrey S. Sharp wrote: > One of the coolest moments in my life was when I met, entirely by chance, > an old lady at the local hospital that was one of the early Real > Programmers. She was sharing a double-bed room with my girlfriend's > grandmother. > > I believe she said she had worked with the ENIAC, but I am not certain. > She said that when she retired, video display terminals were just > beginning to supplant printing terminals. There was a whole conversation > in there somewhere, but unfortunately it has been forgotten in the sands > of time. > > Nevertheless, it was a truly spiritual experience. WOW...I would love to have talked with her for an hour or two. Or three. Maybe four. -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL

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Rescue list?

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On December 10, LFessen106(a)aol.com wrote: > He is most likely speaking of the SunRescue list. You can find it at > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue > Come and join the fun :-) I think Bill no longer considers it really Sun-specific, Linc.. -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL

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Model 33 Teletypes acquired

by bills＠adrenaline.com

Yesterday morning, I drove up into the mountains of West Virginia and got an ASR-33 and a KSR-33 with a few spare parts and a five inch stack of docs. I haven't had the time to do anything with them yet, probably won't get to play much until Christmas week. Anyway, the metal on both machines seems to be in good shape, but the plastic leaves something to be desired. The ASR is mostly just dirty, but there is a crack at the left rear screw position. The KSR is cleaner as it was used less, but it was stored improperly in a box and dropped or something and the plastic upper case (the gray case, not the white/yellow cover over the carriage) is broken into several pieces. So does anybody have recommendations as to glue or other solutions? Is someone sitting on a big stock of spare upper shells? Thanks, Bill

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Re-Finds while moving storages

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On December 11, John R. Keys Jr. wrote: > Today I spent 8 hours moving stuff from one smaller storage unit to a > much larger one and found goodies I long forgot about. I have not seen > the back off this storage unit for almost 3 years. Here's a list of some > items; > 1. PET 2001 series 2001-8 in good shape, will take home and test it. > 2. CBM 2001 series 8 machine has been modified with new keyboard in > place of tape unit and smaller keys. > 3. Commodore model C128D in great shape. > 4. TRS80 model 1 > 5. PolyMorphic System 8813 model 8813/1 with wooden case. > 6. CPT disk unit 8 ID# 931203 > 7. ADDS Ultimate model 25 > 8. SOROC model IQ120 > 9. Franklin PC8000 in great shape > There were a lot more plus I still have not finished moving items yet. > If I was not moving I would get me a heater and play also. Where ya movin' to, John? A SOROC IQ120!! Ahh, the memories! :-) If you're lookin' for a home for that TRS80 model 1, drop me a note. -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL

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another test - please ignore

by west＠tseinc.com

Just another test, checking out some list stuff. Send to /dev/null Jay West

23 years, 5 months

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Google USENET Archive expanded

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

I just saw this on /., the Google USENET archive has been expanded back to May 12th, 1981! It's a great day for Classic Computing! Looks like the oldest message in their archive is DEC related since it talks about a Unibus Versatec interface card. Zane

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Prints for an 11/70

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> On December 11, Boatman on the River of Suck wrote: > > > Would 200MHz be fast enough ? A lot of the Xilinx fpga's offer 5ns pin to pin > > > > In a word, no. 8-) > > Jeeeeezus Sridhar, how fast did you have in mind? I assume these Mentec PDP-11s aren' available at PC prices, given they likely aren't produced in PC quantities... Any info on the web? -dq

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Google USENET Archive expanded

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> On Tue, 11 Dec 2001, Zane H. Healy wrote: > > > <sigh> I'm not surprised, I've not had a chance to see what kinds of PDP-10 > > and PDP-11 stuff can be dug up. > > Is anybody thinking what I'm thinking? > > "Hello, you posted the following message to USENET about 15 years ago. > I was wondering if that machine was still available for pickup." <sigh> I was developing a TAPI/TSPI driver for Rockwell-based chipset voice modems back in 1994. I *still* get requests for expertise on the chipset... -dq

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Smoking around computers

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> On Tue, 11 Dec 2001, Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) wrote: > > I set them up with keyboard drawers whenever I can get them cheap, or they > > get donated (hint. HINT!) But training the office staff to shut the > > drawers when not in use isn't easy. > > Yeh, probably as easy as training a cat! Training cats is easy; herding them is something else (witness Jay's efforts to entice us to stay on-topic)! -dq

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HP HDSP-2490

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> On December 12, Ken Seefried wrote: > > Perhaps slightly off-topic (other than being a resonably old part), but > > would anyone around here have a datasheet (or, at least, a pin-out) for an > > HP HDSP-2490? This is an odd, 4-digit, 5x7 led matrix display. It's in a > > 28-pin dip, and looks to have some intellegence built in. > > > > The answer from HP (nee Agilent) is "long since obsolete, we know nothing". > > Yeah, after all, NOBODY uses displays anymore. > > GOD I hate suits. Hopefully <crossed-fingers emoticon> when the board fires Carly as they surely will when the merger doesn't happen, they'll get someone in there who will fire the suits and rehire the people they let go (engineers, customer service, technicians, etc). -dq

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Re-Finds while moving storages

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Moving to Houston on the 25th of this month (1st trip/load), will take > about 5 trips using a 24' rental truck to get all the computers and > stuff down there from MN. Dude- Wouldn't United Van Lines be cheaper? They move vintage computers with the same grace and delicacy that they move fine crystal or china. -dq

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Dimension 4 / WinXP

by foxvideo＠wincom.net

At 09:50 PM 12/11/2001 -0500, you wrote: >Charles, read your post about the Dimension 4 and Windows XP "error binding >socket..." > >Did you ever find a fix? > > >Thanks, > >Bob >E-mail address - petruska(a)microserve.net I got an e-mail from Rob Chambers of thinkman,com. He says that Windows XP and D4 Time both use port 123 udp for SNTP. He suggested disabling Windows Time Service, but I took the easy way out and downloaded the NIST time program from: http://www.boulder.nist.gov/timefreq/service/its.htm and it is working OK with XP. Cheers Charlie Fox Charles E. Fox Video Production 793 Argyle Rd. Windsor, Ontario, Canada, N8Y3J8 foxvideo(a)wincom.net Check out the Camcorder Kindergarten at http://chasfoxvideo.com

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Anybody want to make some extra money?

by dec.parts＠verizon.net

Hello Gang, Here's a user that needs parts and support. I'll provide the parts, if they find any of what I have available to be acceptable. You provide the support. It is not intended to be free. You may quote whatever price you deem adequate to get them back in business. All they can do is say no if they don't like it. Of the SCSI Controllers that I had, all Dilogs have been sold ( one to Sweden and two to Louisiana ). What I have left is two Emulex UC07 and an Aviv QSA, plus any other parts at ... http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze2mj6m/web/home.htm If anybody wants to take this on, email me ASAP. Bennett re: Request for purchasing DILOG SCSI controller Dear Sir, We have VAXstation 3200 that works with operation system VAX VMS V5.3. The system has Tape Driver TK50, which gives possibility of installation of the different programs. We have problems with Q-bus SDI disk controller "DILOG 57154D" that is inserted in VAX3200. This controller is connected with two devices: WREN6 SCSI HDD(600Mb) and LD1200 Optical disk drive. Please inform us if you have for replacement up mentioned SCSI Host Adapter or it's analog, adequate for our situation or if you can repair our adapter. Please quote the prices and give us terms for your service. We ask also to give us detailed instructions for installation, and if any specialized software is needed, TK50 compatible cassette with this program. Looking forward for your reply, Sincerely, <snip - contact info witheld until arrangements firmed up>

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Prints for an 11/70

by Antonio.Carlini＠riverstonenet.com

> The real problem is the patents / intellectual property of DEC here. Surely all of these will have expired for the PDP-11/70, and quite possibly for the entire PDP-11 family. In fact, the early VAX patents must have expired too - I recall that MSCP is gone (or at least, going). Antonio

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DECnet License

by vance＠ikickass.org

Hi. I have the OpenVMS Hobbyist Kit and I can't seem to find the DECnet Phase IV license PAK. I have both the OS PAK and the layered products PAK's. Peace... Sridhar

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Smoking around computers

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On December 11, Don Maslin wrote: > Yeh, probably as easy as training a cat! Training cats is actually rather easy. It's commonly thought to be difficult or impossible because most people try to train them using the same methods they use to train dogs...which fail miserably. -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL

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Smoking around computers

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On December 12, Boatman on the River of Suck wrote: > Alconox is a soap designed to clean laboratory equipment. It is WONDERFUL STUFF. Really incredible stuff. See http://www.alconox.com. Though it's not really targeted at individuals, you can buy it straight from their web site. -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL

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OT: Smoking

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On December 11, Zach Malone wrote: > Does it bother you that much if someone else is smoking though? In all > honesty, IMHO people should be allowed to smoke, ingest, or shoot up with > whatever they feel like, as long as they are not harming others. Sure, the > smoke smells horrible, and I dislike being around people who are smoking > (this is also due to the second hand smoke issue), but I have no problem > with it. I can effectively "tune it out" and ignore it when I'm around it, which I consider myself lucky to be able to to...but I don't like when people I care about are smoking, because I know people who have been killed by it. -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL

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Smoking around computers

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On December 11, Boatman on the River of Suck wrote: > I've had systems, that when I opened them, the air intake filters oozed > with residue and reeked of herb. There's gotta be something that can be done with that. ;) -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL

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Google USENET Archive expanded

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

> > I just saw this on /., the Google USENET archive has been expanded back to > > May 12th, 1981! It's a great day for Classic Computing! Looks like the > > oldest message in their archive is DEC related since it talks about a Unibus > > Versatec interface card. > > Depends on the group, I think... I found that comp.sys.cdc > goes back to February 1989, just a bit before CDC killed > off ETA... > > -dq > <sigh> I'm not surprised, I've not had a chance to see what kinds of PDP-10 and PDP-11 stuff can be dug up. Hmm, for that matter, it might be time to check out comp.sys.harris, and a couple others... Zane

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I've discovered a new pleasure.

by acme_ent＠bellsouth.net

> From: David Woyciesjes <DAW(a)yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu> > Speaking of drinking, Tuesdays (tonight!) are when my APA Pool Team > plays. We're in first, with only two more matches to go! Then playoffs for > the States, then it's off to Vegas after States! Woo-hoo, hopefully! Hope you make it to Vegas! BTW what level are you? I shot for a few years but never made it beyond a 4. No problem making the shots but post-shot cue ball positioning hung me up. Glen 0/0

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Smoking around computers

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On December 11, Jeff Hellige wrote: > I've had the displeasure of working on machines used by > someone with quite a large number of cats. As if all the cat hair in > the carpet wasn't bad enough while crawling down to hook/unhook > cables, the hair was also throughout everything from the keyboard and > mouse to the CPU. Not just a few strands, but quite a lot of it. > Quite nasty... Hmm, I have a kitty who spends some time in the computer room...there's one particular machine in there that moves a LOT of air and needs its filters cleaned frequently, but aside from that I've had no issues with kitty fur. And even if that weren't the case...my cat is one of the best friends I've ever had, so if letting her go where she wants means some extra filter cleaning for me, then so be it! -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL

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H89 docs/help requested

by acme_ent＠bellsouth.net

> From: Tony Duell <ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk> > When you do a few more tests, I'll dig out the manual. I know I have all > the schematics, etc... Sounds good -- and thanks for all the help on this box. I just got my Z-100 up and dual-booting CP/M-86 and ZDOS, so the H89 is now at the top of my Unfinished Projects List. Glen 0/0

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Need "PC Mouse" driver for PCjr ..

by mikeford＠socal.rr.com

>I've been using a Logitech Wheel Mouse (optical) for more than a year now >on my OS/2-based pc. > >My Sparc has an old-style optical mouse (requires special HARD TO FIND >pad). Easy to find, NEVER cheap. ;) I used to sell them for $5 to $10, then a local Sun guy found out I had some and he bought them all. Me too on the optical meese. I bought a CHEAP Inland brand for $8.99 at MicroCenter, and its almost weird at first using it because it NEVER skips, sticks,etc. and my brain isn't used to that. The scroll wheel spoils you real fast too. My finger is already "looking" for it on lesser mice. My understanding is that the new optical mice compare the surface image to detect movement. Fancy stuff, but isn't the interface to the PC still the same?

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Prints for an 11/70

by CLeyson＠aol.com

On December 11, Boatman on the River of Suck wrote: >Yeah. I wasn't actually trying to build it using any specific technology. >What I am doing is taking the latest and greatest and building a PDP-11 >compatible (one that act's *exactly* like an 11/70, but faster). I am >probably not going to be using FPGA's, because I don't think they're yet >making FPGA's the speed I want them to go. Would 200MHz be fast enough ? A lot of the Xilinx fpga's offer 5ns pin to pin delay. I'd be interested in finding out about the 11/40 architecture - was it a bit-sliced design, how deep was the pipeline etc.? I'm going to have a go at an HP21XX machine of some description next year. It's just going to emulate some of the HP custom processors and speed isn't going to be an issue. BTW the HP2116 Cordic Co-processor ran with a cycle time of 200ns - not exactly fast - add/sub 50-100us mpy/div 100-150us. Yawn. Chris Leyson

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Smoking around computers

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On December 9, Glen Goodwin wrote: > > I wouldn't want anybody smoking near my computers! > > I've been chain-smoking around computers of various sorts for 20 years, and > I've never seen any evidence of smoke-related problems. I prefer that > computers don't smoke around me, however ;>) It makes them STINK! Actually either one makes them stink! ;) -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL

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Prints for an 11/70

by CLeyson＠aol.com

On December 11, Boatman on the River of Suck wrote: >I was thinking somewhere in the range of a gigahertz. Tunnel diode logic seems to be making a bit of a comeback - still in the development stage but it's better thas GaAs Williamson et al., "12 GHz Clocked Operation of Ultralow Power Interband Resonant Tunneling Diode Pipelined Logic Gates." IEEE Journal of Solid-State Circuits, Vol 32 No 2 February 1997. pp222-231 (ISSN 0018-9200) Fast enough ? Chris Leyson

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Prints for an 11/70

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

Gator eggs? -Dave On December 11, Ian Koller wrote: > > > And Gator Eggs? > > > > Dave McGuire wrote: > > > > On December 11, Boatman on the River of Suck wrote: > > > Yeah. I wasn't actually trying to build it using any specific technology. > > > What I am doing is taking the latest and greatest and building a PDP-11 > > > compatible (one that act's *exactly* like an 11/70, but faster). I am > > > probably not going to be using FPGA's, because I don't think they're yet > > > making FPGA's the speed I want them to go. > > > > You do know about Mentec's new-technology pdp11 processors, right? > > > > -Dave > > > > -- > > Dave McGuire > > St. Petersburg, FL > -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL

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Prints for an 11/70

by vance＠ikickass.org

Does anyone know where I might find prints for a PDP-11/70? Like complete prints? I was intrigued as I studied my own 11/70 with the possibility of implementing an 11/70 in modern high-speed discrete logic. Peace... Sridhar

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Prints for an 11/70

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On December 11, jpero(a)sympatico.ca wrote: > That rate, if Sridhar is looking at sub 5ns pin-pin, he's looking > at around 50 to 100MHz. Just my SWAG. FYI: PII 233 has 7ns > sync-sram cycling at 133MHz. > > If true, that would be blisteringly fast PDP11/70 on size of a small > 12" x 12" board roughly. > > That means putting in certain lengths of critcial traces to get > timing come together at right moment (hence the zig-zag traces), low > voltage swings, 2 levels of caches, etc. > > Blatent easy way out is emulate that 11/70 on athlon XP 1900+. :-) > Smack me if you dare. :-) Oh, puh-YUKE!! -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL

23 years, 5 months

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Prints for an 11/70

by CLeyson＠aol.com

Sridhar You really do mean fast don't you ? I'm intrigued - please tell us more. Chris Leyson

23 years, 5 months

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Re-Finds while moving storages

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

Today I spent 8 hours moving stuff from one smaller storage unit to a much larger one and found goodies I long forgot about. I have not seen the back off this storage unit for almost 3 years. Here's a list of some items; 1. PET 2001 series 2001-8 in good shape, will take home and test it. 2. CBM 2001 series 8 machine has been modified with new keyboard in place of tape unit and smaller keys. 3. Commodore model C128D in great shape. 4. TRS80 model 1 5. PolyMorphic System 8813 model 8813/1 with wooden case. 6. CPT disk unit 8 ID# 931203 7. ADDS Ultimate model 25 8. SOROC model IQ120 9. Franklin PC8000 in great shape There were a lot more plus I still have not finished moving items yet. If I was not moving I would get me a heater and play also.

23 years, 5 months

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HP HDSP-2490

by ken＠seefried.com

Perhaps slightly off-topic (other than being a resonably old part), but would anyone around here have a datasheet (or, at least, a pin-out) for an HP HDSP-2490? This is an odd, 4-digit, 5x7 led matrix display. It's in a 28-pin dip, and looks to have some intellegence built in. The answer from HP (nee Agilent) is "long since obsolete, we know nothing". Thanks... Ken

23 years, 5 months

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Prints for an 11/70

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On December 11, Boatman on the River of Suck wrote: > Yeah. I wasn't actually trying to build it using any specific technology. > What I am doing is taking the latest and greatest and building a PDP-11 > compatible (one that act's *exactly* like an 11/70, but faster). I am > probably not going to be using FPGA's, because I don't think they're yet > making FPGA's the speed I want them to go. You do know about Mentec's new-technology pdp11 processors, right? -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL

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by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> On Tue, 11 Dec 2001, Douglas Quebbeman wrote: > > > > > With all that iron, ya gotta throw a party sometime soon! > > > > > > I am pretty sure that I will be bringing one of my IBM S/390 G1's to VCF > > > East next year with VM, MVS, and Linux running. If anyone else brings > > > machines capable of SNA, FDDI, Ethernet or ATM, you'll be welcome to hook > > > up to me. > > > > Ok, Russ, to see Sridhar's stuff, we gotta get together and do a > > > > Hillbilly VCF 1.0 > > > > If we time it right and have it in Owensboro, we could > > make it a part of the Kentucky Burgoo Festival... > > > > ;) > > Why don't you come out to VCFE next year? It'll only be about a > half-day's drive. The last time I even tried to take a vacation, I saved up >from January till June to attend AudiFest '98 at Pike's Peak. The turbo blew in the quattro a week before and it took all I'd saved to fix it. Including selling the tickets. Coupled with a meager $30k yearly as a sysadmin running an IIS webserver might give you an idea as to the dreadfullness of my circumstances. Were I only willing to leave God's Country, I know I could better that salary in a heartbeat... -dq

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SBC-11/21 Falcon -trade

by mew_list＠swbell.net

Folks, Anyone have a M7676 Falcon board they'd like to part with? Are there schematics this one? --Mitch

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testing

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> >> 42 ! > > Feynman lives! > > Doug Adams, right? > Or is there some link to Ofey I missed? I found out about Richard Feynman's propensity to yell out "42" as the answer to anything andf everything from one of Douglas Hofstadter's books; probably not G.E.B., but likely his duet with Daniel Dennet, "Mind's I". It *may*, tho, have been in "Metamagical Themas", the compilation of his columns from SciAm. In a very depressing time, dealing with a very, very depressing subject, Richard Feynman provided me with the greatest sense of glee I can recall. While George Meany (or whomever the shirt was who was heading the Challenger Disaster Panel) was going through the motions, I was carefully watching an otherwise bored Feynman start to play with the sample of rubber from the o-ring seals. I saw him look at his glass of icewater, and before I could form the though "stick it in the ice- water" he was doing it, and then immediately started to check his watch. After a while, he raised his hand or interrupted, can't quite recall which, and declared he knew what had caused the disaster. I'd give up all of Congress for one Richard Feynman. -dq

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Google USENET Archive expanded

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> I just saw this on /., the Google USENET archive has been expanded back to > May 12th, 1981! It's a great day for Classic Computing! Looks like the > oldest message in their archive is DEC related since it talks about a Unibus > Versatec interface card. Depends on the group, I think... I found that comp.sys.cdc goes back to February 1989, just a bit before CDC killed off ETA... -dq

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testing

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> > I'd give up all of Congress for one Richard Feynman. > > > > I'd give up considerably more than that. "Surely you're joking, > Mr. Feynman!" is probably one of the most enjoyable books > I've ever read. THAt was the name of the book, couldn't recall when Sellam and I were discussing it... -dq

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Bootmessages (was: Re: testing)

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> That would probably be a really good resource for people who tend to see > computers around an want to know what they're looking at... It would be > especially useful for machines that are similar in enclosure but not in > firmware. I think we could extrac them from issues of PHRACK... ;)

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I've discovered a new pleasure.

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On December 11, Boatman on the River of Suck wrote: > > Nah, Sridhar doesn't know how to party...do you, Sridhar. ;) > > Perhaps we can give him some party lessons. 8-) > > Remember you're talking to a raver. I party for *days* on end. 8-) Nah...too much dancing, not enough drinking! -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL

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by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> > Before I moved to FL, Sridhar and Brian Hechinger came down to hang > > out and hack on stuff, and crashed on my couches. > > You mean, these people really exist and aren't figments of sendmail's > imagination? :-P <NOT_A_TROLL> Funny, I just recently opened a thread about "discussion bots" on alt.computers.folklore... from what I read and what I'd recalled seeing in the past, I think I can safely say no bots are on this list... </NOT_A_TROLL> -dq

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Shareing ... (Applesoft Programs)

by rhudson＠cnonline.net

Hey peoples! I have been spending my time working programs in Applesoft basic. What would be the best way to share these programs with others? I have an apple II c with 5 1/4 and 3 1/2 " floppies.

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by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On December 11, Boatman on the River of Suck wrote: > > > > Nah, Sridhar doesn't know how to party...do you, Sridhar. ;) > > > > Perhaps we can give him some party lessons. 8-) > > > > > > Remember you're talking to a raver. I party for *days* on end. 8-) > > > > Nah...too much dancing, not enough drinking! > > Hey. There are a lot of things more fun than alcohol. Hey, I LIKE getting drunk! -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL

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Prints for an 11/70

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> ! Actually, the earlier the better. I want to do it *old* but *fast*. > ! > ! Peace... Sridhar > > Sridhar --- > Okay, we know you're missing a missus, but isn't that a little > strange? ;) Dangol'- may, december thing- tellyuhwhat. ;)

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Bootmessages (was: Re: testing)

by csmith＠amdocs.com

That would probably be a really good resource for people who tend to see computers around an want to know what they're looking at... It would be especially useful for machines that are similar in enclosure but not in firmware. Regards, Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); ' > -----Original Message----- > From: Jochen Kunz [mailto:jkunz@unixag-kl.fh-kl.de] > What about a (web browseable) collection of prom / boot messages of > classic machines and OSes? >

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by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

! On December 11, Boatman on the River of Suck wrote: ! > > Nah, Sridhar doesn't know how to party...do you, Sridhar. ;) ! > > Perhaps we can give him some party lessons. 8-) ! > ! > Remember you're talking to a raver. I party for *days* on end. 8-) ! ! Nah...too much dancing, not enough drinking! ! ! -Dave And a hearty "hear-hear!" to that! Not to mention, he doesn't really look the 'raver' type. Hmmm... ;) Speaking of drinking, Tuesdays (tonight!) are when my APA Pool Team plays. We're in first, with only two more matches to go! Then playoffs for the States, then it's off to Vegas after States! Woo-hoo, hopefully! --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818

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Prints for an 11/70

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> > Dangol'- may, december thing- tellyuhwhat. > > > > ;) > > Well, the reason I wanted to do it *old* and *fast*... > > I wanted to do it old because I actually own a first-revision PDP-11/70 > which my father bought brand new back in the mid-70's when it first came > out before I was born. It's a really really neat machine with gobs of I/O > bandwidth. It's fast too. So it made me think what I might be able to do > with modern components and still make it compatible with my 11/70. (FYI, > my 11/70 is still working and is still original, down to its fuses and > fascia). That is *so* cool, preserving a machine by keeping it in the family! -dq

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by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On December 11, David Woyciesjes wrote: > ! > I've discovered a new simple pleasure. Sitting in my > ! > storage locker with > ! > a space heater and my IBM Portable Personal Computer > ! > (thanks again, Jeff) > ! > programming in BASIC in the middle of the night. Ahhh. > ! > ! Uhhhh > ! > ! Sridhar, you ok man? > > I dunno, Dave. When he picked up that VaxServer3100 from me yesterday, he > did have a funny look on his face, right before he went into the pizza > shop... Before I moved to FL, Sridhar and Brian Hechinger came down to hang out and hack on stuff, and crashed on my couches. Late the next morning, I walk into the living room to find Sridhar just waking up. He sits up, gets what is likely that very same funny look on his face, and says "NAME THY FECES!!" I think the boy needs to eat more beef and less plantlife. All that chlorophyll is getting into his brain. ;) -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL

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by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> > With all that iron, ya gotta throw a party sometime soon! > > I am pretty sure that I will be bringing one of my IBM S/390 G1's to VCF > East next year with VM, MVS, and Linux running. If anyone else brings > machines capable of SNA, FDDI, Ethernet or ATM, you'll be welcome to hook > up to me. Ok, Russ, to see Sridhar's stuff, we gotta get together and do a Hillbilly VCF 1.0 If we time it right and have it in Owensboro, we could make it a part of the Kentucky Burgoo Festival... ;)

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by vance＠ikickass.org

I've discovered a new simple pleasure. Sitting in my storage locker with a space heater and my IBM Portable Personal Computer (thanks again, Jeff) programming in BASIC in the middle of the night. Ahhh. Peace... Sridhar

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by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On December 11, Boatman on the River of Suck wrote: > I am pretty sure that I will be bringing one of my IBM S/390 G1's to VCF > East next year with VM, MVS, and Linux running. If anyone else brings > machines capable of SNA, FDDI, Ethernet or ATM, you'll be welcome to hook > up to me. Eh? The G1 isn't 10 years old, is it? -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL

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Smoking around computers

by acme_ent＠bellsouth.net

> From: Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) <cisin(a)xenosoft.com> > I once encountered a TRS-80 whose keyboard wasn't working due to a > chronic accumulation of marijuana seeds that had fallen in. You got it from Sellam, right? ;>) Glen 0/0

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A hypothetical

by vcf＠vintage.org

Let's say a DEC PDP-1 comes up for auction. The economy is good and times are stable. What would you be willing to pay for a DEC PDP-1? This is strictly a hypothetical. Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *

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testing

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> > On 2001.12.10 16:19 Christopher Smith wrote: > > > > > > KA410-A V1.2 > > > > F_..E...D...C...B...A...9...8...7...6...5...4_..3_..2_..1_.. > > > > > > ?DKA0... > > KA410-W V2.3 > > > > F...E...D...C...B...A...9...8...7...6...5?..4_..3_..2_..1?.. > > > > > > ? E 0040 0000.0045 > > ? D 0050 0000.0005 > > ? C 0080 0000.4001 > > ?? 5 0001 0000.0002 > > ?? 1 00C0 0000.7004 > > > > >>> b dka2 > > > > > > -DKA2 > > > > >> NetBSD/vax boot [Jul 29 2000 02:31:03] << > > >> Press any key to abort autoboot 0 > > > boot netbsd > > -- > > > **** COMMODORE 64 BASIC V2 **** > 64K RAM SYSTEM 38911 BASIC BYTES FREE > > READY. e NEW LOGIN EW...NOT HW -T / . I U P U I 1080 602A (04) 18:26:37 TTY2 system 1111 Please LOGIN or ATTACH DISCONNECT e NEW LOGIN EW...NOT HW -W / 77/07/06. 18.50.53. INDIANA UNIVERSITY - LEVEL 9. KRONOS 2.1-397/397 USER NUMBER: 1941 INITIALS: DHQ PASSWORD: XXXXX IMPROPER LOGIN, TRY AGAIN. DISCONNECT

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by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> And a hearty "hear-hear!" to that! Not to mention, he > doesn't really look the 'raver' type. Hmmm... ;) > Speaking of drinking, Tuesdays (tonight!) are when my > APA Pool Team plays. We're in first, with only two more > matches to go! Then playoffs for the States, then it's > off to Vegas after States! Woo-hoo, hopefully! We used to have a drinking night here, but your truly couldn't be bothered by the beer everyone else was having that night and opted for Maker's Mark on an empty stomach... that drove the nail in the Tuesday Night coffin (at our office). And I want to point out: the diminished capacity for judgement begins *before* you had the first drink. Blaming the alcohol is engaging in bad faith... -dq

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11/44 power problem... (Oh, not again...)

by Antonio.Carlini＠riverstonenet.com

> ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk wrote: > >The outputs of this PSU are +/-5V to +/-15V. They're all safe to touch, >although they can supply significant current when the machine is in >operation (I think the main logic supply is 5V, 125A). When I was working on a VAX 6000 once, the combination of +5V @ > 100A and human-appendages-with-nearby-metal (fingers with ring, wrists with metal watchstraps etc.) was quaintly described as an opportunity to lose an appendage and simultaneously cauterize the wound :-) >The main hazard is inside the PSU. There are a couple of _large_ >capacitors that form part of a 400V supply straight from the mains. The >output of this supply is distributed to the PSU boards by barrier-strip >type screw terminals at the top of the boards. This supply can kill you! Stone dead, I should think! All PSUs deserve respect. This one sounds like it deserves more than most :-) Antonio

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Smoking around computers

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> > > I don't smoke or eat weed around my computers. Chips occasionally, but > > that's about it. > > I've had systems, that when I opened them, the air intake filters oozed > with residue and reeked of herb. Did I mention I run a filter recycling service? Please mail your filters to: ';liwrfjuscljhapos8hs NO CARRIER

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Prints for an 11/70

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

! > ! > ! Actually, the earlier the better. I want to do it *old* ! > ! > ! but *fast*. ! > ! > ! ! > ! > ! Peace... Sridhar ! > ! > ! > ! > Sridhar --- ! > ! > Okay, we know you're missing a missus, but ! isn't that a little ! > ! > strange? ;) ! > ! ! > ! Dangol'- may, december thing- tellyuhwhat. ! > ! ! > ! ;) ! > ! > What? ! ! You've never seen "King of the Hill"? ! ! Peace... Sridhar Umm, couple times... --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818

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Smoking around computers

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On December 11, Sellam Ismail wrote: > > I'm going to uuencode a fart and email it to you! > > Don't bother: > > http://www.farts.com/ fear -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL

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Smoking around computers

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

! > ! And even if that weren't the case...my cat is one of the ! > ! best friends ! > ! I've ever had, so if letting her go where she wants means ! > ! some extra ! > ! filter cleaning for me, then so be it! ! > ! > Aww, isn't that so damned cute! :-P ! ! I'm going to uuencode a fart and email it to you! ! ! -Dave That's fine. I've got a cold, and a stuffy node right now... ;-) --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818

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Smoking around computers

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On December 11, David Woyciesjes wrote: > ! Hmm, I have a kitty who spends some time in the computer > ! room...there's one particular machine in there that moves a LOT of air > ! and needs its filters cleaned frequently, but aside from that I've had > ! no issues with kitty fur. > ! > ! And even if that weren't the case...my cat is one of the > ! best friends > ! I've ever had, so if letting her go where she wants means some extra > ! filter cleaning for me, then so be it! > > Aww, isn't that so damned cute! :-P I'm going to uuencode a fart and email it to you! -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL

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by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On December 11, Douglas Quebbeman wrote: > With all that iron, ya gotta throw a party sometime soon! Nah, Sridhar doesn't know how to party...do you, Sridhar. ;) Perhaps we can give him some party lessons. 8-) -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL

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Prints for an 11/70

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

! > ! Actually, the earlier the better. I want to do it *old* ! > ! but *fast*. ! > ! ! > ! Peace... Sridhar ! > ! > Sridhar --- ! > Okay, we know you're missing a missus, but isn't that a little ! > strange? ;) ! ! Dangol'- may, december thing- tellyuhwhat. ! ! ;) What? --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818

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apple 11c power supply

by Golemancd＠aol.com

thanks john

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apple 11c power supply thanks chuck

by Golemancd＠aol.com

thanks for the info i bought an apple 2c at a thrift for 99 cents no adapter. thinking about making one thanks for the info joee

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I've discovered a new pleasure.

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> I've discovered a new simple pleasure. Sitting in my storage locker with > a space heater and my IBM Portable Personal Computer (thanks again, Jeff) > programming in BASIC in the middle of the night. Ahhh. *I* could enjoy programming in BASIC on an IBM Portable, too, if I was sitting in a storage unit filled with the kind of goodies you've got in *yours*, Sridhar! With all that iron, ya gotta throw a party sometime soon! -dq

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11/44 power problem... (Oh, not again...)

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On December 9, Daniel A. Seagraves wrote: > [Is she cute?] > > I dunno. She's my sister. She's more of a pain in the ass than anything. ^_^ > http://www.lunar-tokyo.net/pictures/ she's in there somewheres. Hmm, yes, quite cute. You can tell her I said so. :) -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL

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Smoking around computers

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

That's funny! [Ctrl][D]... --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 ! -----Original Message----- ! From: Sellam Ismail [mailto:foo@siconic.com] ! Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 2:55 PM ! To: 'classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org' ! Subject: RE: Smoking around computers ! ! ! On Tue, 11 Dec 2001, Dave McGuire wrote: ! ! > I'm going to uuencode a fart and email it to you! ! ! Don't bother: ! ! http://www.farts.com/ ! ! Sellam Ismail Vintage ! Computer Festival ! -------------------------------------------------------------- ! ---------------- ! International Man of Intrigue and Danger ! http://www.vintage.org !

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apple 11c power supply

by Golemancd＠aol.com

anyone know what the power supply amps are for the apple 11c i have the pin out and i know it is 15v but how many amps or ma joee

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Smoking around computers

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On December 11, David Woyciesjes wrote: > ! > ! Dave McGuire wrote... > ! > ! And even if that weren't the case...my cat is one of the > ! > ! best friends I've ever had, so if letting her go where she > ! > ! wants means some extra filter cleaning for me, then so be it! > ! > > ! > Aww, isn't that so damned cute! :-P > ! > > ! > --- David A Woyciesjes > ! > ! Hey now.. Ophilia is cute - just ask her and she'll tell ya > ! herself! :-) > > Wait sec there buddy... Never said cats weren't cute (my lil' Isabelle is > the best!) I was just commenting on Dave M. being such a pushover for his > kitties... > :) Yeah, I admit it, she controls me... -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL

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Smoking around computers

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

! > ! Dave McGuire wrote... ! > ! And even if that weren't the case...my cat is one of the ! > ! best friends I've ever had, so if letting her go where she ! > ! wants means some extra filter cleaning for me, then so be it! ! > ! > Aww, isn't that so damned cute! :-P ! > ! > --- David A Woyciesjes ! ! Hey now.. Ophilia is cute - just ask her and she'll tell ya ! herself! :-) Wait sec there buddy... Never said cats weren't cute (my lil' Isabelle is the best!) I was just commenting on Dave M. being such a pushover for his kitties... :) --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818

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Q: "purple"ish" Intel C80287-3 from '83 with gold legs/top

by rhblakeman＠kih.net

Ok while going through the mass of crap I've collected together and finally gotten losse from my storage trailer, I came across an Intel math coprocessor, with gold legs and cap on the "purplish" grey ceramic. On the pin 1 side you can see a thin gold plate (the chip itself I guess) in the index spot and on the opposite end it has a rectangle filled with epoxy. It also has a gold stripe from the center cap to the #1 pin index mark. Is this worth a crap or am I just disillusioned by the enormous amount that the 8080a went for on eBay a few weeks ago?

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Smoking around computers

by acme_ent＠bellsouth.net

> From: Tony Duell <ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk> > I wouldn't want anybody smoking near my computers! I've been chain-smoking around computers of various sorts for 20 years, and I've never seen any evidence of smoke-related problems. I prefer that computers don't smoke around me, however ;>) OTOH, audio gear seems to be very susceptible to my smoke, and I have to clean all the switches and pots every three months or so. Glen 0/0

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Q: "purple"ish" Intel C80287-3 from '83 with gold legs/top

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On December 11, Russ Blakeman wrote: > Ok while going through the mass of crap I've collected together and finally > gotten losse from my storage trailer, I came across an Intel math > coprocessor, with gold legs and cap on the "purplish" grey ceramic. On the > pin 1 side you can see a thin gold plate (the chip itself I guess) in the > index spot and on the opposite end it has a rectangle filled with epoxy. It > also has a gold stripe from the center cap to the #1 pin index mark. > > Is this worth a crap or am I just disillusioned by the enormous amount that > the 8080a went for on eBay a few weeks ago? They're all over the place, man. Sorry. -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL

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Smoking around computers

by LFessen106＠aol.com

In a message dated Tue, 11 Dec 2001 2:17:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, David Woyciesjes <DAW(a)yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu> writes: > ! Hmm, I have a kitty who spends some time in the computer > ! room...there's one particular machine in there that moves a LOT of air > ! and needs its filters cleaned frequently, but aside from that I've had > ! no issues with kitty fur. > ! > ! And even if that weren't the case...my cat is one of the > ! best friends > ! I've ever had, so if letting her go where she wants means some extra > ! filter cleaning for me, then so be it! > > Aww, isn't that so damned cute! :-P > > --- David A Woyciesjes Hey now.. Ophilia is cute - just ask her and she'll tell ya herself! :-)

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Smoking around computers

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

! Hmm, I have a kitty who spends some time in the computer ! room...there's one particular machine in there that moves a LOT of air ! and needs its filters cleaned frequently, but aside from that I've had ! no issues with kitty fur. ! ! And even if that weren't the case...my cat is one of the ! best friends ! I've ever had, so if letting her go where she wants means some extra ! filter cleaning for me, then so be it! Aww, isn't that so damned cute! :-P --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818

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Smoking around computers

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

! > > But, expect cat and dog hair. In particular, expect cat hair in ! > > keyboards; cats take to keyboards like taxi drivers take ! > > to beaded seat ! > > cushions! ! ! On Tue, 11 Dec 2001, Chad Fernandez wrote: ! > My cats have always been more intent on distracting me than ! > playing with ! > the computer, or sleep on it. They'll walk on the keyboard ! > while I'm ! > using it, or walk in my line of the monitor, etc. ! > I think what happens with keyboards is that the cat hair ! > settles in it ! > from the air..... cat hair becomes air borne very easily. Since you ! > can't really wipe the hair off from in between the keys.... ! > like you can ! > wipe the hair from the desk, so it just builds up. ! ! I deal with all of the computers for the Berkeley East Bay Humane ! Society. The resident cats in the office all like to sleep ! on keyboards. ! ! I set them up with keyboard drawers whenever I can get them ! cheap, or they ! get donated (hint. HINT!) But training the office staff to shut the ! drawers when not in use isn't easy. Hmmm, spring-loaded drawers? Low-stregth springs, of course. ;-) --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818

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testing

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> F...E...D...C...B...A...9...8...7...6...5?..4_..3_..2_..1?.. > > ? E 0040 0000.0045 > ? D 0050 0000.0005 > ? C 0080 0000.4001 > ?? 5 0001 0000.0002 > ?? 1 00C0 0000.7004 > > > b dka2 > > -DKA2 > > bootstrap ..... Deep Thought v31.45 > > And the ANSWER is ............................ > .............................................................. > .............................................................. > .............................................................. > .............................................................. > .............................................................. > .............................................................. > .............................................................. > .............................................................. > 42 ! Feynman lives!

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H89 docs/help requested

by acme_ent＠bellsouth.net

> From: Tony Duell <ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk> > The H89 is a little strange. It's really a serial terminal (almost the > same as a H19) and a Z80-based computer in the same box. Yes, they > communicate via an RS232 link between the terminal logic board and the > CPU board. A *little* strange? > So the problem could be in just about any area of the unit. Great! ;>) > I would start by ignoring the computer part for the moment and turning it > back into a terminal. Disconnect the 0.1" header jumper between the > terminal logic PCB and the CPU PCB. Connect one of the serial sockets on > the back (normally connected to the triple serial card plugged into the > CPU board) to the connector on the terminal logic PCB. And then short > pins 2 and 3 on this serial socket. [snip a lot more really expert advice] Tony, thanks a million. I'd really like to get this baby up and running, as it's the only machine I have which uses 5.25" hard-sectored floppies. I'm pretty sure I'll be able to identify the components you mention by eyeballing them (I have no docs) and am looking forward to doing this in the next week or so, but in the meantime, can you answer just one more question for me: How do I open this friggin' box!@!$#&! TIA, Glen 0/0

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testing

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

! > > > > KA410-A V1.2 ! > > > > F_..E...D...C...B...A...9...8...7...6...5...4_..3_..2_..1_.. ! > > > ! > > > ?DKA0... ! > > KA410-W V2.3 ! > > ! > > F...E...D...C...B...A...9...8...7...6...5?..4_..3_..2_..1?.. ! > > ! > > ! > > ? E 0040 0000.0045 ! > > ? D 0050 0000.0005 ! > > ? C 0080 0000.4001 ! > > ?? 5 0001 0000.0002 ! > > ?? 1 00C0 0000.7004 ! > > ! > > >>> b dka2 ! > > ! > > ! > > -DKA2 ! > > ! > > >> NetBSD/vax boot [Jul 29 2000 02:31:03] << ! > > >> Press any key to abort autoboot 0 ! > > > boot netbsd ! > > -- ! > ! > ! > **** COMMODORE 64 BASIC V2 **** ! > 64K RAM SYSTEM 38911 BASIC BYTES FREE ! > ! > READY. Staring Windows 98 ... C:\> @ ECHO OFF Windows Protetion Fault... You didn't pay your fees. Please let the big ape-guys in the front door to collect. --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818

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Smoking around computers

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

! David Woyciesjes wrote: ! > This is where a Keyboard tray comes in very handy! ! Not when they figure they make a great pillow for napping. The still ! will find a way to be the center of attention. ! -- ! Ben Franchuk --- Pre-historic Cpu's -- ! www.jetnet.ab.ca/users/bfranchuk/index.html Okay, I meant a keyboard tray that slides under the desk surface, or something like that... --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818

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HP-Compaq Merger: All But Dead? (Was: RE: Smoking)

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> I feel the same way Zach, even being an ex-smoker but when someone > ingests/shoots/snorts/etc a substance that makes them a danger to the > general public like it does if a person is stoned or drunk and on the road > with me and my family then I tend to feel like personally tying them to a > stake in front of a firing squad. Agreed. I also feel that way about most proposed corporate mergers. Carly Fiorina is currently tops on the stakeout list... and it would appear that the Packard Foundation has joined with the Hewlett and Packard famlies in opposing the merger. Peter Coffee was talking about it in McNeil-Lehrer last night, and he seems to think the old-time techies who recall HP from their early days, and whom are now enjoying higher positions in many companies, are also actively opposing the merger. The consensus is that the technology what results from the merged firms will run only Windows and use only Intel processors, and that's (wisely) perceived as a negative. When technology abandons diversity, I think I'll abandon technology (unless it's vintage). -dq

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Smoking around computers

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

I must say, with having two cats, I've never had a problem... --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 ! -----Original Message----- ! From: Christopher Smith [mailto:csmith@amdocs.com] ! Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 11:37 AM ! To: 'classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org' ! Subject: RE: Smoking around computers ! ! ! > -----Original Message----- ! > From: charles hobbs [mailto:chobbs@socal.rr.com] ! ! > Speaking of which, ever open a machine formerly owned by a ! > dog/cat owner? ! ! I have. Being a cat owner, I find that I need to clean my systems of ! cat-hair on a regular basis. ! ! Regards, ! ! Chris ! ! ! Christopher Smith, Perl Developer ! Amdocs - Champaign, IL ! ! /usr/bin/perl -e ' ! print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); ! ' ! !

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Smoking around computers

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Yeah I know, but GI's have a regular falir for bastardizing about anything > they hear/see. I used to come up with all sorts of "cracks" when I was a > military instructor (course instructor, not drill instructor) at Chanute in > IL until it closed in 93. Heard of RETS in L'ville too, seems there's a > rivalry between students that go to ITT Tech and RETS on who picked the > right school. I worked with all sorts of them at Jabil Services in L'ville > both times I've been out there. yeah, RETS students who insist the ITT Tech students picked the right one... and vice-versa. ;)

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Smoking

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Yeah, > Does it bother you that much if someone else is smoking though? In all > honesty, IMHO people should be allowed to smoke, ingest, or shoot up with > whatever they feel like, as long as they are not harming others. Sure, the > smoke smells horrible, and I dislike being around people who are smoking > (this is also due to the second hand smoke issue), but I have no problem > with it. Agreed... but if they blow smoke in my face, I'm likely to have a "milkshake accident" in their direction (that's where someone tells you a funny while you've got a mouth- full of milkshake, and well, you probably get the idea). -dq

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Free DEC stuff in Milpitas CA

by csmith＠amdocs.com

Hi, I have a friend who may be interested if you're willing to ship some of the stuff. Since you didn't mention shipping, I thought I'd ask. I would be interested in the VMS docsets, myself. Otherwise, unfortunately, I don't know anyone in the area. Thanks, Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); ' > -----Original Message----- > From: bob(a)jfcl.com [mailto:bob@jfcl.com] > Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 7:57 PM > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Free DEC stuff in Milpitas CA > > > > I have the following mostly (but not all) DEC stuff to give > away FREE. > All you have to do is pick it up in Milpitas CA (next door to > San Jose). > > * A VAXstation-2000. No disks (you'll need to find an > RD5x/3x for it). > No guarantees of condition, either, but then it is free :-) > > * A VAXstation-3100/30. No disks (but you can use almost any > SCSI drive). > No guarantees of condition, either, but then it is free :-) > > * A Sophia Systems SA-2000 8-bit ICE. This is a self > contained CP/M machine > from the early 80s in a "luggable" case something like the > KayPro or Osborne. > Includes SA-DOS boot diskettes but no pods (it boots and > runs just fine with > out them). > > * A DECmate-II RX50 system (no hard disk) WITHOUT the 6120 > CPU chip. System > unit only - no monitor or keyboard. > > * About half a dozen DEC orange binders (empty). > > * A MicroVMS (VMS v4.x) manual set, in orange binders. > > * Most of an OpenVMS v7.x manual set (perfect bound). > > * A padded, sound proof printer enclosure for a 14" dot > matrix printer, > including a fan. > > I only read this list in digest form, and I'm way behind on that, so > please write to me directly if you're interested in anything. > > Bob >

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Smoking around computers

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Moth balls work too but you have to be careful holding the > moths down while you get their balls. Gosh, Russ, hadn't heard that one since I was teaching digital at RETS! ;)

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Prints for an 11/70

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

! Actually, the earlier the better. I want to do it *old* but *fast*. ! ! Peace... Sridhar Sridhar --- Okay, we know you're missing a missus, but isn't that a little strange? ;) --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818

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