> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dave McGuire [mailto:mcguire@neurotica.com]
> On February 6, R. D. Davis wrote:
> > of curiosity, how many others here absolutely refuse to work for an
> > employer requiring one to work with those confounded
> annoyances called
> > Micro$oft products?
> Me.
I don't have that luxury, unfortunately, but if I did, I'd seriously
consider it.
Note that I said "consider," because despite their unceasingly annoying
me with microshaft crap, I still like my current employer pretty well.
(That's really saying something -- take it from somebody who insists on
having no microsoft products on his systems, to the point of having moral
questions about installing OS/2. :)
Regards,
Chris
Christopher Smith, Perl Developer
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A friend of mine has a chance to pick up several of Intel Series II MDSs,
these are the big blue boxs that many people are familar with. But there's
one codition, it's a package deal and he has to take ALL or none. A quick
check indicated that they all power up but nothing else. There are no docs
or software included but he and I both have docs and software for these and
are willing to make copies available at cost. I don't know what sapecific
model these are but the Series II machines have AT LEAST an 8080 CPU, an
integrated CRT monitor, a detachable keyboard, a built-in single density 8"
floppy drive, 32k of RAM and a monitor program in ROM. Again this is the
minimal machine but they typically have a lot more memory and frequently
have been upgraded to double density drives. BTW the original DRI
distribution disk for CPM is the same format and it should ran with no
modifications on a MDS with SD drives. If the drives have been upgraded to
DD then you be able to get CPM in that format and it should run without
modification. It's safe to say that no developement system can run on 32k,
so it's a good bet that they'll have more RAM. Hell, even ISIS needs more
RAM than that! Also all the ones that I've seen have been upgraded to an
8085 CPU and many also have an 8086 co-procesor card so there's a good
chance of getting one that's been upgraded.
Anyway, I want to know if anyone else is interested in buying one of
these. The price should be less than $100 plus shipping. I believe that
they're located in the Detroit area. E-mail me directly ASAP and let me
know if you're interested.
Joe
At 03:33 PM 2/7/2002 -0500, Douglas Quebbeman wrote:
>ISO9660 CD's are limited to containing filenames of no more
>than 32 characters in length. At least, everytime I try to
>burn a CD, those web pages I've saved that have filenames
>that are longer result in a dialog box that requires me to
>either type an alternate name or accept the munged version
>that it creates itself.
If you're gathering files on a Windows PC, and using PC-based
burning software, they all support the "Joliet" extensions
which allow 255-char paths. Maybe you should tell us which
platforms and packages you're using.
- John
On Feb 6, 1:16, Chris wrote:
> >I thought I had one, but I don't. Someone out there have/know where to
find
> >a cable with an RJ-45 plug on one side and a female DE-9 (DB-25 okay but
> >prefer DE-9) on the other? This is to plug my Commodore into the serial
port
> >on my Lantronix EPS4+1 and attempt to get it on the network by reverse
> >Telnet.
>
> I have seen RJ45 to DE9 adaptors before. I have one someplace, it came
> with my DSL router. But I have seen them for sale at computer shows
> before, and would think they should be readily available at any decent
> electronics or network parts dealer. I think Rat Shack sells a roll your
> own pinout one that goes to a DB25 (I know they have an RJ14, 6 pin to
> DB25).
Get a roll-your-own. There are several pinouts for RJ45-DE9, so if you buy
one ready-made, you're going to end up muttering to Murphy. They're
usually in the form of a shell made to hold an RJ45 socket, which comes
with 8 wires connected, each with a pin (or socket pin) crimped on the end,
ready to insert into the DE9 body that comes with it. They're also cheap,
less than 1 UKP here (about $1.00) from CPC.
--
Pete Peter Turnbull
Network Manager
University of York
>$62 a month is a ripoff price. Unless you meant Digital Cable.
Nope... plain old analog cable tv.
They really bend their customers over around here... which is why every
day on my drive home, I see more mini dish's popping up on people's roofs.
They don't even offer Cable Modem service for most of the area yet
-chris
<http://www.mythtech.net>
Free registration required - I believe cypherpunks/cypherpunks still works.
-carl
Tothwolf
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On Thu, 7 Feb 2002, John Allain wrote:
> One of our list members just made it to the big leagues. The NY Times
> printed a large photo article on Douglas W. Jones today. Seems his
> extensive collection of punched cards caught their eye. A good case
> for a well-managed collection it seems.
>
> "When PC Still Means 'Punch Card'"
> New York Times, 'Circuits', 07-Feb-2002
Heres a link to the story:
http://www.nytimes.com/2002/02/07/technology/circuits/07CARD.html
-Toth
Reply off-list directly to me please...
Guys, how does paying $30 - $40 sound for a sun ultra creator 1
video card (not sure on specs) and a bare bones sun ultra creator 1 desktop,
no HDD, no RAM.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lawrence LeMay [mailto:lemay@cs.umn.edu]
> I dont suppose we can return to discussing computers? Anyone
> wanna buy a
> Prime computer? I was contacted by a reseller i've dealt with in the
> past, to see if i had any interest in it.
Love to have one, but I imagine I'd hate to move it. :) How large
are those things, anyway?
Chris
Christopher Smith, Perl Developer
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Hello, all:
I have discovered an interesting anomaly while finishing up the 2.2
version of the Altair32 Emulator (to be released this weekend, by the way).
Maybe it's my lack of understanding of C or the service pack I applied to
MSVC :-)
Between version 2.0 and 2.1, BASIC 3.2 was broken -- it was hanging
in a loop in the console input code waiting for the right status bits to be
set by my port emulator code. While I was setting the right bits, the
internal emulator variable wasn't reflecting the assignment.
In the sio00h routine in the sio.c module, I declare a local-scope
variable of type int that's not initialized...
int sio00h (params...){
int nSioStatus ;
... stuff
}
When in the MSVC debugger, the undeclared variable has the value
0xcccccccc. OK.
In the body of the routine, the variable can be set to three values
using #defines from the header. For some reason, the variable is not being
set to the #define value. As you trace execution, the variable to be
returned by the routine remains 0xcccccccc after assignment:
nSioStatus = SIO_WDB ; //#defines to 0x80
So, I initialized the variable to 0 and for good measure, returned
the int as:
return (nSioStatus & 0xff) ;
In one of the top calling routines, it gets truncated to a BYTE-size
(so to speak) anyway.
So I figured that maybe there was a scoping problem but the
nSioStatus variable is not used in any other module, nor is it declared
extern or module global. The #define appears in multiple headers but are all
defined to be the same value.
Now, BASIC 3.2 it works but I can't really figure out why.
Any thoughts??
Rich
Mark Crispin <MRC(a)CAC.Washington.EDU> wrote:
> Stacks are very useful, but they are not the solution to everything.
Absolutely agreed.
> One of the biggest deficiencies of C is its lack of co-routines, since
> it only has the stack style of subroutine calling. Yeah, I know about
> setjmp/longjmp, but those are one-way, not true co-routines.
Well, setjmp and longjmp are pretty powerful. see
http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~jones/opsys/threads/
for a machine-independent user-level thread package implemented in C using
setjmp and longjmp for control transfers between threads. It comes very
close to what a real coroutine afficianado would like. (Writing the
thread launch code in a machine independent way was murder.)
Curiously, the same thing can be done without longjmp()! I had a student
write me a thread package in Pascal once. All he needed was a mechanism
to convert pointers to integers and back again (easy enough in standard
Pascal, so long as it doesn't check variant records). Given this, his
code did essentially the same thing as my thread package.
> Of course, talking about co-routines to youngsters is likely to get
> their eyes to glaze over, since they won't have a clue as to what I'm
> talking about.
Indeed.
Doug Jones
jones(a)cs.uiowa.edu
>Serius, you realy must live way outside civilisation to go thru this
>effort to get TV !
Satallite TV isn't an effort thing... it is a how bad do I want to be
ripped off by cable thing. (Remember, these are 18" dishes... they are
popping up all over the place)
Around here, Basic Cable (40 channels, no HBO or nothing) costs $62.00 a
month. $10 more for each pay channel you want (HBO, Cinimax, Stars,
Encore, TMC, or Showtime).
Satallite TV (Dish Network) gives me 200+ channels, PLUS all the pay
channels (5 HBO, 3 Cinimax, tons of others... roughly 40 pay channels in
all), PLUS country wide "superstations" (WB, UPN, so I can watch
Smallville 3 times every tuesday... cause Enterprise sucks so I have to
have SOME show to be addicted to) PLUS local broadcast networks (no
biggie, I can put an arial up for those), PLUS something like 200 music
channels (those things that play a screen saver while playing music)
All for $70 a month (I have to pay $5 for my 2nd decoder connection, so
really it is $65 a month). So for $3 more than cable, I get more channels
that I can count.
Only downside... one channel per decoder, two decoders per dish for
normal setup (you can go as high as 8 or 9 with some Channel Plus
hardware). But that downside matters not to me... the lean-to I live in
doesn't make it easy to watch two diferent channels as is... 3 would be
sensory overload.
And the video quality of Satallite vs Cable isn't even a comparison. But
then, if you are a person that can't see the difference between VHS video
and DVD video, you probably won't care about that aspect.
-chris
<http://www.mythtech.net>
> > > containers. I half expected to find some ex-colleagues preserved in
> > > aspic. "Oh, John? No, he never _really_ left. No one ever does".
> >
> > Aspic isn't a preservative, it's a sauce...
> >
> > Haven't you ever had Lark's Tongues in Aspic?
> >
> > ;)
> >
> > -dq
> Only while wearing a red robe......
Thank god somebody realized what court this ball was in...
;)
In a message dated 2/7/02 1:12:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, mythtech(a)Mac.com
writes:
> Around here, Basic Cable (40 channels, no HBO or nothing) costs $62.00 a
> month. $10 more for each pay channel you want (HBO, Cinimax, Stars,
> Encore, TMC, or Showtime).
>
DANG! Mine is less than half that - way less.
-Linc.
In The Beginning there was nothing, which exploded - Yeah right...
Calculating in binary code is as easy as 01,10,11.
> ----------
> From: LFessen106(a)aol.com
>
> In a message dated Wed, 6 Feb 2002 9:16:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, Dave
> McGuire <mcguire(a)neurotica.com> writes:
>
> > On February 6, R. D. Davis wrote:
> > > of curiosity, how many others here absolutely refuse to work for an
> > > employer requiring one to work with those confounded annoyances called
> > > Micro$oft products?
> >
> > Me.
> >
> > -Dave
>
> I would like to say that but in all reality I make a lot of money off of
> Microsoft products - fixing them.
> I mean think about it - if the world ran unix, there would be a lot less
> money to be made reinstalling operating systems.
>
> -Linc.
>
I must agree with Linc here. If it weren't for M$ products crashing,
I wouldn't be making the money to have a classic computer collection...
I can understand why you guys wouldn't want to use them, though.
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In a message dated 2/7/02 9:00:05 AM Pacific Standard Time, marvin(a)rain.org
writes:
> Interesting, you are the only other person (besides myself) with a
> Molecular that I've seen mentioned on this listserver! I got mine when
>
I had a Molecular at one time. It used a 8" floppy disk and a 5 1/4 HD. I
think I still have some of the SW on floppies around
I got mine from a school district office and passed it on when I closed my
warehouse. Nice Machine.
Paxton
Astoria, OR
Hmm... speciality. I collect all sorts of things, like beer bottle tops
and teaspoons. As far as computers are concerned, I've started to weed out
the less interesting (to me) from my fifty-something collection.
I have quite a few Acorn machines from the '80s, because I worked for them
or places that used/repaired their machines for most of that decade. I
have a fair collection of Acorn-related software, lots of old price lists,
sales brochures, etc, and a pretty good technical document collection.
Also a few unusual items like a prototype BBC-ARM inteface card which was
used when they were developing what became their first RISC-based machine,
and (thanks, Kevan!) an ARM Development System which was a semi-commercial
co-processor for the BBC Micro.
Most of the rest are things I've collected because I lusted after them
years ago when they were unaffordable, or they have some special
significance, or they round out a family.
An Exidy Sorcerer was the first machine I owned, so I have one of those,
and the same monitor, printer, etc as I had originally (they're not all the
same ones I originally owned, though).
An Apple ][ was a machine I used at college, and a //e is a better version
so I have both. To follow the line, I have a Mac Plus with some add-ons
because it's cool as well as being the ]['s successor, a IIvx, and finally
a NeXT slab -- another machine I lusted after at the time.
Another line has to do with PETs. I have a 2001-8K, and to go before it a
KIM-1, and to follow, a Vic 20 and a C128 (not interesting so relegated to
an attic), and an Amiga 500 Plus. Contemporaneous with the Sorcerer, Apple
][, and PET is my Nascom, and a ZX81. I nearly had a ZX80 twice, but not
quite. That's followed by a Sinclair Spectrum and a Spectrum II to
contrast with the BBC Micros, and a Sinclair QL to contrast with slightly
later machines.
I have a few DEC machines. I got to know the QBus machines quite well when
I worked for a third-party maintenance company, and I always wanted an
11/23. A few years later, I got one -- CPU box only, no storage, and
that's really what started the collection about 15 years ago. I would go
looking for some part or device, and when I found it there would inevitably
be other parts too. The other parts wouldn't make a whole, so I'd collect
still more. I've had at least three 11/23s, a couple of 11/73-S's, a few
11/03's, part of an 11/24, an 11/83, and a fairly good 11/34. I traded the
11/34 when I got an 11/40, and now I have a PDP-8/E (which was the first
machine I used "hands on"). I also have two MicroVAXes which will run VMS
"one day".
My third 11/23 came with 7th Edition UNIX and a lot of disk and tapes,
which is how I got into UNIX just before I went back to University. There
I discovered SGIs, so I now have a collection of Indigos and Indys. And
the inevitable Sparcstation and the like.
There are a few others of course, which roughly fit in with the ones i've
mentioned. There's even a PC (an early Intel model)! Networking equipment
too, because that's what I do (and on a few occasions, my hobby helped get
whatever the job was at the time: Acorn, UNIX, networking).
What else do I want...
Well, space is limited so an ASR33 that folds up and fits on a bookshelf
would be good. More bookshelves, too. More DEC microfiche. An MMU for my
11/40. A copy of Spacewar to run on my 11/40 and VT11. More shelves. Dev
Pak and manuals for my Sorcerer. I've asked for a 25th hour in the day for
the last three Christmasses and four birthdays.
... not much, really ;-)
--
Pete Peter Turnbull
Network Manager
University of York
I like the Commodore and Apple 80's home computers and have multiples of most
models therein along with software and whatever docs I can find. My real
love at this point is older unix workstations - Sparcstations, Decstations,
HP 9000 series workstations and the like. Although I might not have *quite*
as many as most people on the list, I live in a 2 bdrm apt - and it's
getting crowded :-)
-Linc.
In The Beginning there was nothing, which exploded - Yeah right...
Calculating in binary code is as easy as 01,10,11.
> ----------
> From: Chris
>
> >> >Now, what about the face plate?
> >>
> >> More Duct Tape?
> >>
> >You forgot the cardboard...
>
> I was thinking... remove the front plastic from the CD tray, then stretch
> duct tape across the opening for the CD bay. Cut a slit into the tape
> that lines up with the CD tray. Let it eject thru the slit in the tape...
> you've got a "poor man's slot loading CD". :-)
>
> -chris
>
Chris, are you feeling okay? A little tired, and getting punchy, are we?
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> ----------
> From: Doc
>
> On Wed, 6 Feb 2002, David Woyciesjes wrote:
> > > ----------
> > > From: Doc
> > > You mean Apple shipped those boxes with *face-plates*???
> > >
> > > Doc
> > >
> > Eh, face plate, trim piece, bezel, whatever you call it... Yer pickin'
> on
> > me, aren't ya?
>
> No, I meant I hardly ever see a machine with the bezel intact. Or
> even present. I thought they were *born* with the gaps there.
>
> Doc
>
Ahh, okay. Hmmm, must a phenomena that happens only around you...
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FYI...
---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 09:46:19 -0800
From: David Weil <dweil(a)computer-museum.org>
Subject: Computer Museum of America on Tuesday night's PBS NOVA
Last April, a film crew from Boston came to Computer Museum of America at
Coleman College to film the staff operating several machines in the Museum
collection. See the results this coming TUESDAY night on PBS NOVA at 8pm.
--
Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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* Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *
> HP Unix Lunch Box (sorry, can't think of the number right now)
I think you mean the HP Intergral PC aka HP IPC. It's got the printer on
top, has a Gas Plasma display, IIRC, and can run HP-UX V5 off of Floppy, and
it can also have stuff like BASIC in ROM packs that plug into the back.
Zane
--- Huw Davies <Huw.Davies(a)kerberos.davies.net.au> wrote:
> I think I'm trying to collect all of those computers I wanted to buy new
> when I was younger but didn't have the money.
You, too? I think that is a factor for lots of us.
> On the list of things to buy:
>
> PDP-8 (I think I want an original but might take an -8S)
They don't cost more now than they do when they were new (few things
we collect do), but they are closer to the old prices than they used
to be ($15,000 USD and $9,995 USD, respectively). I was offered
$1,500 USD for one of my Straight-8s (Classic-8 or "original") many
years ago (before the .com boom), and it doesn't even have console TTY
interface. I do not know what one would sell for now. I don't really
want to know; it is not for sale.
> PDP-11 (A QBUS version with enough disk to run 2.11BSD)
You'll want a board with a KDJ11 CPU like an 11/53 or 11/73 or newer.
2.11BSD requires a CPU that supports split I&D space, IIRC. The KDF11
(PDP-11/23, Pro350, et al.) does not. 2.9BSD runs on lots more CPUs,
but doesn't support as many disk devices (like MSCP controllers) as
originally shipped.
Recently, I've heard about support for more modern disks for 2.9BSD,
but I haven't played with them myself. My personal experiences are
limited to a real 11/24 and multiple RL02 drives and an emulated -11
of various configurations (under simh 2.4) and a variety of emulated
drives (RL02, RK05, RP03, etc.).
-ethan
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There's been a bunch of discussion lately on Macs (mostly relating to first
computers), and it reminded me to ask if anyone knows of a source of RAM for
the IIfx. I'm looking for SIMMs larger than 4MB, but I'm not looking for them
all that hard.
Thanks in advance.
PB Schechter
My speciality is Xerox workstations... which is an effective way of
controlling the collection too because they're impossible to find in the UK
:-)
Al.
I'm not what you'd call a collector, just someone
who until recently never threw out anything from
my 40 years on and off in the computer biz; now
that I am finally cleaning out & disposing of the
accumulated treasures, I'm probably spending more
time on it than if I _were_ a 'collector'.
'Specialties' are:
Cromemco S100 systems, boards, manuals, tech notes,
newsletters, brochures, price lists & software;
-decommissioned or spare inventory from years of
selling & supporting them in the 80s & 90s.
Terminals (Falco, L-S, &c) to go with the above.
AIM65 Boards & docs, also from years of using &
supporting them in an industrial application.
Several CBM PETs & boxes of VIC-20 & C64 units,
accessories, docs & parts.
Boxes & piles of PCs & clones of various description;
lots of obscure & obsolete cards for same, and of
course printers & monitors as well.
And quite a few boxes/shelves of equally obscure &
obsolete MS-DOS & WIN software.
Some of this stuff is spoken for as soon as I get it
all sorted & checked out (especially the AIM65s), and
to those of you still waiting, thanks for your patience
(of course it just gets more valuable every day :-).
Lotsa stuff still waiting for a new home though...
mike
Yesss, very interesting topic right away...of course, most of you are away
>from home already and so don't have to argue with their disapproving parents,
like me...
I'm not yet specialized to anything (read: still grabbing all sorts of
junk), but the inrush is somewhat limited by me only taking what I can get *really
for free*. I'm still at school and don't get enough pocket money to throw it
out for such stuff, too... This applies not only to classic (and
not-yet-classic) computers, but also to typewriters, mech calculators, audio equipment
and all the various other electronic stuff (mainly as a parts source).
Everything that is small enough to fit into a banana box is stuffed into 'em
and stacked in a small storage area behind my room, boxes numbered and
inventory stored on my PC...
I'd really love to have room for some bigger rackmounted equipment, so maybe
I'm going to call the proprietor of a detoriating house I've located nearby
if he'll let me in for some cleaning-up and garden work.
So long, and wish me luck...
Arno Kletzander
Arno_1983(a)gmx.de
--
GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet.
http://www.gmx.net
I was bending a cd-r because for some reason I wanted too. I had the
tips almost touching each other when it broke. I now have created
something I have to vacuum :-( It was kind of cool seeing all the
coating flake off :-) I didn't know it would do that :-)
The coating isn't dangerous like that is it?
Chad Fernandez
Michigan, USA
>I've had no stability issues with 7.1 -- all of my classic Macs, except the
>SE/30 and the Plus which run 6.0.8, run it.
Ahh... my "Classic" Macs don't run 7 of any varient, I keep them all at 6
for the most part (I do have a 7.1 bootable external HD so I can run it
when I need it on them).
>7.5.2 really soured me on 7.5.x. :-/
Oh... that explains it. 7.5.2, and 7.5.3 were some of the buggiest crap
around. But they got it mostly right with 7.5.5 (which really was nothing
more than a big bug fix for 7.5.3... there isn't even a 7.5.5
installer... just .3 and a .5 updater)
>Why not just go "all the way" to 7.6.1 if you're using 7.5.x?
Cause I hate 7.6 and 7.6.1... I have found it too unstable for my tastes.
That and on older Macs (020, 030... since I don't do no 7.x with 000s,
and 040s I run 8.1) run at a snails pace with 7.6.1, but 7.5.5 runs fine,
and takes up less ram, and less HD space (most of the machines I use it
on are lucky if they have an 80mb drive... 7.5.5 kills only 12-20mb
depending on options... 7.6.1 starts at 25mb usually and can go as high
as 30-40 with options)
Oh yeah... another reason I use 7.5.5 over 7.1... open transport (I knew
there was another reason) OT 1.1.1 is usually bare minimum for decent mac
internet use... and that wants 7.5.3 (but we already know 5.3 sucks, so I
use 5.5)
-chris
<http://www.mythtech.net>
Does anyone have a need for these? I have a small pile of PE3-10BT
with power supply wall wart and phantom keyboard power adapter.
Contact me via private e-mail.
- John
In a message dated Wed, 6 Feb 2002 9:16:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, Dave McGuire <mcguire(a)neurotica.com> writes:
> On February 6, R. D. Davis wrote:
> > of curiosity, how many others here absolutely refuse to work for an
> > employer requiring one to work with those confounded annoyances called
> > Micro$oft products?
>
> Me.
>
> -Dave
I would like to say that but in all reality I make a lot of money off of Microsoft products - fixing them.
I mean think about it - if the world ran unix, there would be a lot less money to be made reinstalling operating systems.
-Linc.
On Feb 6, 18:39, Curt Vendel wrote:
> I was referring to the colors inside of the DB hood, not the rj45 cable
> itself which can vary from anything from orange, orange/white, green
> green/white, blue blue/white, brown, brown/white for most cat5 cabling
The Cat.5 (and Cat3,4,5e,6) cables are required to be standard colours.
> to the various red,green,yellow,read,blue,white,brown,grey for others
like the
> flat or silk cables from Cisco, and other manufactures.
There is a USOC (I think) standard for those flat cables. If Cisco don't
follow it, they're buying cable from an odd place :-)
The two points I was making are (1) there is no standard for the colours of
the cable inside the hood, so noting which colours go to which pins isn't a
good way to specify it, and (2) there's no standard mapping of RJ45 pins to
DE9 pins either.
There's a good chance what you wrote would work, as it *appears* to be one
of the common arrangements, at least as far as the Tx and Rx lines are
concerned, but there's also a good chance it won't.
--
Pete Peter Turnbull
Network Manager
University of York
On Feb 6, 23:04, Tony Duell wrote:
> 7) There's no real standard for current loop wiring or connectors,
> although DEC were consistent with their use of the 8 pin mate-n-lock.
>
> > (PS: Terminals are Wyse-85 and DEC VT220)
> I can't comment on the Wyse. If the connector is the flat 8 pin
> Mate-n-Lock, then it should work. Normally if that connector is used then
> it'll follow DEC's pinout
I imagine it does. I have a Wyse 65, and it has the flat Mate-N-Lok with
DEC's pinout.
--
Pete Peter Turnbull
Network Manager
University of York
On February 6, R. D. Davis wrote:
> of curiosity, how many others here absolutely refuse to work for an
> employer requiring one to work with those confounded annoyances called
> Micro$oft products?
Me.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire
St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf
>There are
>exactly five MacOSes worth using: 6.0.8, 7.1, 8.1, 9.1 and 10.1.x and up.
I agree 99%... I prefer 7.5.5 over 7.1... I have just found it more
stable but YMMV
(and 9.2 sucks ass... my iMac won't stop crashing since I moved to it
>from 9.1... I think it was an apple trick to push people to OS X... which
I just haven't fallen in love with yet, probably because most of what I
use isn't carbonized)
-chris
<http://www.mythtech.net>
This question came up on the HP LX palmtop list. Are there any emulators of
the C64 or the HP48 that will run on the HP200LX palmtop (which has CGA
graphics, and 80186 CPU, and MS-DOS 5.0)?
Bob
From: Claude.W <claudew(a)videotron.ca>
>-No matching printers for each system. I abandonned printers long time ago
>or it just takes up too much space.
One or two for everything here, one dec serial (LA100ro) and one
parallel (Epson LQ570).
>-No books. Only one or 2 max complete reference per system. Or then it gets
>outta control.
Full books but stay with families IE: VAX, PDP-11, CPM S100 as a
set covers many varients
>-No magazines.
With care and appling to specific systems or technoligies, not
complete archives of say Byte.
>-Only 1 or 2 peripherals like floppy drives and such....I dont try to get
>every peripheral for each system...
Unless it fits in the box!
>-Only 1 "branded monitor" model per system. Monitors use a lotta space.
Yep same for CRTs, though I do have H19, VT125, VT320, VT340. Then
again It's DEC family skewed plus CPM so it works.
>-If its a vintage system your not going to "use/play with" : then keep very
>little software for each system, only maybe an OS and a few utils, games
>etc...just to "show it off"
Nope, compact it to denser media that can be recoverd to whatever is
needed. Again within a family one program runs on many.
>-Get many shelves, nice ones.
Yep!
>-Frequent cleanings....I do major ones at least 5 times a year a throw out
a
>bunch of stuff....you have to stop saying "yes but I might use it someday"
>at one point and go more like "Whats the chance I am realling gonna use
this
>again or is this really worth keeping"?
Or trade it off for that relly important item(s).
My problem is I have three realted hobbies, Computers, hamradio and
electronics Homebrew (autoconstruct for the EU folks). They overlap and
radio/homebrew instigates the "junquebox" where all good resources are
found.
Allison
On Feb 6, 13:45, Ethan Dicks wrote:
> One thing to watch for - pin diameter. I made my own connector for a
> VT220 out of a pair of drive power connectors, and it works fine, but
> I think the VT220 end got stretched - now that I have a real set of
> TTY cables, they don't fit in my terminal. I tried to sort of compress
> them back into place, but I think I'll have to remove the board and
> remove the connector from the board before I can get clear access to the
> pins. OTOH, I could try to make a pin squeezer out of tubing...
There are some non-AMP equivalents that don't seem to be made quite as
well, perhaps you had some of those? I've cursed those on occasions when
I've had to make the opposite-to-normal gender of power connector.
> > You can still get the pin inserts and socket inserts, of course.
>
> Got part numbers?
AMP changed the numbers at some time in the last few years, but I think
some of these may still be correct:
female contacts AMP 163304-2 (18-20 AWG)
female contacts AMP 163306-2 (14-18 AWG)
male contacts AMP 163305-2 (18-20 AWG)
male contacts AMP 163307-2 (14-18 AWG)
AMP used to have a pretty good website. A bit graphics-heavy, and a little
tedious at times, but al the info was there. Tried that?
> I'm also looking for part numbers for Berg connector
> bits - somewhere I have the tool that makes the same cables as DEC did
> with the black Berg shells. What I lack is the female crimp-on "pins".
Funny you mention that, I was looking for the same thing the other evening.
I can find the pins and shells but the biggest two-row shells I can find
easily are only 8+8. I want 20+20, of course. And I can't find those
cable grips at all...
I did find a very similar product (there are lots that nearly fit the bill
but this looks closest) made by Methode. They do 20+20 in their MEMTF
series that look very like black Berg ones, and the female crimp "pins" are
gold-plated like the better Berg ones. Still no cable clamp, though.
Fujitsu so something similar (M100 series), and there's a cable clamp, but
it looks kind of like a squashed D-connector shell -- not what I want for
my BC101V cables and oters that enter from the side of a board.
Harwin also do a range, called "C-Grid III", you'd want the 90142 series
(dual row).
I used to get BERG (DuPont, now owned by the Framatome Group, FCI)
connectors from a company in the UK called Electrospeed. Sadly, they no
longer seem to have the right connectors in the catalogue, but I found the
part numbers in the Newark catalogue -- which might be more helpful to you.
They're also in the Farnell catalogue.
The housings are "Bergcon" "Mini-Latch housing, 65043-series double row,
0.100" centers":
Newark Berg
part part rows
89F4606 65043-035 2+2
89F4605 65043-034 3+3
89F4604 65043-033 4+4
89F4603 65043-032 5+5
89F4602 65043-031 6+6
89F4601 65043-030 7+7
89F4600 65043-029 8+8
89F4599 65043-027 10+10
There are bigger sizes too. The female pins are "Mini-PV crimp-to-wire
receptacles":
98F2828 47747-000 22-26 AWG std spring force 100? tin
98F4590 48266-000 18-20 AWG std spring force 30? gold
98F4588 48235-000 ... AWG std spring force 30? gold
98F5796 48238-000 28-32 AWG std spring force 30? gold
89F4587 48234-000 2x26 AWG high spring force 30? gold
^^ typo? I don't know
50F8733 48236-000 28-32 AWG ultrahigh spring force 30? gold
50F8734 48239-000 or 2x26 AWG ultrahigh spring force 30? gold
04F1609 47750-000 22-26 AWG ultrahigh spring force 100? tin
You can also buy the daisy chain jumper wires on reels. Remember those?
Used to make up the vital link on the BC01V, the link from Tx- to Rx- on
DLV11-J's, and for loopback plugs. A snip at UKP166.36 per reel. The
"lightweight rugged handtools" in two shpaes and five exciting sizes, range
>from UKP385 to UKP503. Thankfully the rest of the range, the connectors
themselves, is more affordable! Still no cable clamps, though.
--
Pete Peter Turnbull
Network Manager
University of York
Found a really nice PDP "Micro" 11/73 at the scrap yard today. I don't know
the designations but it's in a rack mount box 5" high and 24" deep. I don't
usually bother with DEC stuff but, it was real clean and the price was
right.
The system has a hard drive, dual floppies, and 4 serial ports (plus
console) on the rear panel. I hooked up a terminal and am able to talk to
the system. However, when it tries to boot but gives a message:
"DEVICE TT001: Not in configuration"
"RSX 11M V 4.1 BL35E 1024K mapped"
It stops at that point and won't go any further. I can ^C and get a "MCR>
prompt" and talk to the system but it won't *do* anything.
Am I doing something wrong or is this the expected behavior when the OS is
broken?
Thanks,
SteveRob
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gene Buckle [mailto:geneb@deltasoft.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 6:42 PM
> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
> Subject: Re: Taking control of your collection
>
>
> > > Sellam Ismail wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I'm trying to create my own gravitational field using
> classic computers
> > > > as the core.
> > >
>
> You're gonna be pretty annoyed when that stack reaches
> critical mass and
> the result drops California into the ocean. :)
>
I believe it may already be affecting the weather... Could
it be that we've finally found the real cause of the
recent El Nino?
-al-
-acorda(a)1bigred.com
>> Eh, face plate, trim piece, bezel, whatever you call it... Yer pickin' on
>> me, aren't ya?
>
> No, I meant I hardly ever see a machine with the bezel intact. Or
>even present. I thought they were *born* with the gaps there.
That's because you need custom ones for each case design (no simple PC
plates will work), but the Mac will use stock PC parts for the most part
(when it comes to HD and CD drives... all bets are off for any other
parts prior to the iMac days).
Since you can use a stock PC CD drive, many people did... PC drives
naturally don't ship with the special bezel needed for a mac case. You
have to buy it from an apple dealer (because apple doesn't like to sell
things to the public). That means you pay Apple prices AND the Apple
dealer markup... that makes them VERY expensive (you can expect to pay
$25+ for a new bezel for most macs). That is when you can even find
someone to sell them to you (the local CompUSA, which prior to the Apple
Store opening down the road, was the ONLY authorized apple repair center
in the area... and they couldn't be bothered ordering you a bezel...
tried once... they game me shit for even asking... then finally agreed to
order it and call when it came in... a month later and many calls asking
the status, I gave up).
Even going to the online parts dealers will nail you for serious costs
(have you looked at any recently... MacResQ which tends to be the
cheapest, will ask $30-$40 for a bezel)
As a result... you find many home upgraded macs that are missing the
correct bezel for the opening.
-chris
<http://www.mythtech.net>
On Sep 6, 11:27, Curt Vendel wrote:
> You can use any straight through RJ45 cable, standard Cat5 is fine as
well.
> Radio Shack sells do it yourself connector kits with rj45 on the plastic
> hood and you just plug in the appropriate cables to the connector, for
the
> DB-9/DE-9 wire as follows:
>
> 2 - yellow
> 3 - black
> 4 - orange
> 5 - green & red
> 6 - brown
> 7 - blue
> 9 - white
>
> If you run into problems and can't get it going, just let me know, I've
made
> like a doz of them as I use them all the time on various cisco devices.
That's somewhat Cisco-specific, if those are the standard colours. The
standard colours for 8-way flat cable (in order in the cable) are
1 grey (some cables use white)
2 orange
3 black
4 red
5 green
6 yellow
7 blue
8 brown
However, that's not always used in pre-made sockets. I have three
different ones on the desk beside me. One goes blue, orange, black, red,
green, yellow, brown, white, for example. That would give you the
following pinout:
RJ45 pin DE9 pin signal
white 8 9 Ring Indicator
brown 7 6 Data Set Ready
yellow 6 2 Transmit Data
green 5 5 Signal Ground
red 4 5 Signal Ground
black 3 3 Receive Data
orange 2 4 Data Terminal Ready
blue 1 7 Request To Send
It would be much more usual to pair RTS with CTS (DE9 pin 8).
One of the most common ways to wire an RJ45 for serial, are to wire the
centre pair both to ground, with TxD on one side and RxD on the other.
That way, if you turn the cable upside down you (as in a normal flat
cable, one end is wired opposite to the other) you cross over RxD and TxD
without losing the ground. TxD is pin 3 on a PC-compatible DE9 serial
port, RxD is 2, and signal ground is pin 5, so that's fine. In a flat
cable, the pairs start from the centre two wires, and work outwards to both
sides, ending up with the 4th pair being the two outermost wires.
But most systems that use this scheme put DTR and DSR (or occasionally DCD)
on the next wires out from the centre (3rd pair), and DTR is on DE9 pin 4
(orange, OK) and DSR on pin 6 (brown, no I don't think so) and DCD on pin 1
(which Cisco obvioously doesn't use). The reason for putting DTR and DSR
(or DCD) on the next two wires is again for the crossover effect. That's
what DEC and several other companies do.
Similarly, some systems put RTS and CTS on the outermost two wires.
Looks like Cisco are using a non-standard colour order (or your RS adaptor
is) but otherwise following one of the common wirings for flat cable
(except for RI and RTS!).
Of course, lots of people use UTP instead of flat cable. Then one way to
start off is to put TxD and corresponding ground on pins 1+2 (which is one
pair) and RxD and corresponding ground on the next pair (3+6). That way,a
normal UTP crossover cable (one end wired to TIA 568A and the other to
568B) crosses things over correctly. That leaves 4+5 and 7+8 for other
signals, usually unused but sometimes DTR+DSR and RTS+CTS (to keep each
pair of signals in a single pair of wires, but it makes crossover cables
"interesting"). DEC do it like that, they put 1 and 3 on the RJ45 to
ground (actually Tx- and Rx-), TxD and RxD on 2 and 6, DTR and DSR on 7 and
8. Sun do a similar thing (but not quite the same).
There is *no* standard for this, and I've found at least three common (and
largely incompatible) wiring schemes, and several more obscure ones
(Cabletron, Xylogics, ...)
--
Pete Peter Turnbull
Network Manager
University of York
Aren't some organic dyes extremely carcinogenic? I seem
to remember this from way back when I was working on a Dye laser...
-al-
-acorda(a)1biged.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tothwolf [mailto:tothwolf@concentric.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 6:31 PM
> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
> Subject: RE: Ever create more work than it was worth?
>
>
> On Wed, 6 Feb 2002, Ethan Dicks wrote:
> > --- Tothwolf <tothwolf(a)concentric.net> wrote:
> > > On Wed, 6 Feb 2002, Russ Blakeman wrote:
> > >
> > > > The "coating" should only actually be a metal film, AFAIK.
> > >
> > > A CDR will have an organic dye below the layer of metal film.
> >
> > Isn't the organic dye located between the polycarbonate layers? You
> > can kind-of see from the edge that it's a sandwich...
>
> I think it depends on the process used to manufacture the CDR
> disc. I've
> seen some with the dye under a very thin layer of plastic,
> and I've seen
> some with it directly under the aluminum film. I wish the
> aluminum film
> was under a layer of plastic tho. If the top of a cd is
> scratched, there
> isn't much chance for data recovery if the scratch is in a data area.
>
> -Toth
>
>Bzzzt! Wrong answer, smart-ass! Everybody knows the answer is duct tape!
>
>Now, what about the face plate?
More Duct Tape?
-chris
<http://www.mythtech.net>
>> >Now, what about the face plate?
>>
>> More Duct Tape?
>>
>You forgot the cardboard...
I was thinking... remove the front plastic from the CD tray, then stretch
duct tape across the opening for the CD bay. Cut a slit into the tape
that lines up with the CD tray. Let it eject thru the slit in the tape...
you've got a "poor man's slot loading CD". :-)
-chris
<http://www.mythtech.net>
>> More Duct Tape?
>Very good grasshopper! Very soon you too will master Improvisational
>Manufacturing...
Humm... now I think I want to take one of the LC5xx machines sitting in
my garage, and recase it... entirely with duct tape! (if I wrap enough of
it into tubes, it should be able to support the weight of the CRT...
although, I might have to cheat and use small dowels under some of the
tape)
I wonder how the tape will hold up with the heat put out by the Mac.
Think it will stay strong enough? I would think... it usually is cleared
to 600 F, which should be way more than the Mac generates (although it is
NOT sturdy enough to wrap around the front pipe of an exhaust system to
try to close a hole to make it thru inspection.... 5 minutes after
starting the car, it smoked itself clean off the pipe)
-chris
<http://www.mythtech.net>
I mainly specialize in DEC stuff, single-board computers, and
supercomputers. I have "sub-interests" in older systems from SGI,
Sun, NeXT, Tandy, AT&T, IBM, and some others.
My DEC interests lie in the pdp8, pdp11, and VAX line. I also hack
lots of Alphas, but they're more current "production" machines for me.
The only pdp8 model I've owned is the 8/e, but I hope to change that
someday. I've owned pdp11/03, /04, /05, /23, /24, /34, /44, /60, /70,
and /73 machines, and have all of them now except for the /60 and /70.
I've owned VAX11/725, /730, /750, 8250, 8350, 8700 and many different
4000-series machines. I currently have a /730, an 8350, and several
4000s, and I'll be getting another 11/725 later this week.
I really dig SBCs. I have many eval boards for various processors
>from the 70s...8085, Z80, 6502, 6800, 2901...as well as one bizarre
eval board for the MIPS R2000 and a few 68000s.
Supercomputers are my favorite. The "collectible" ones that I have
currently are two Cray YMP-EL98 systems, an EL94, and an EL92. These
machines are nearly ten years old but are still fast by today's
standards for floating point applications. I also have a Cray J90,
which is a much more current "production" machine and not really a
part of the "classic" collection.
All of my machines are functional (but not necessarily currently
assembled) save for the pdp11/05, /44, and one of the YMP-EL98s.
I am currently looking for an AT&T UnixPC (though it looks like I've
found one!) and a TRS-80 model I.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire
St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf
I have a few terminals with "20 ma" connectors on the back and have seen a
PDP8 with such as well. Can these two be connected wire-for-wire and work,
or do I need other hardware?
(PS: Terminals are Wyse-85 and DEC VT220)
--
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<kris(a)nospam.catonic.net> | IM: KrisBSD | HSV, AL.
-------------------------------------------------------
"Fate, it seems, is not without a sense of irony."
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Doc [mailto:doc@mdrconsult.com]
> The last time, a 43P came back with an administrative password and a
> boot password set on the firmware. As nearly as I can find out, even
> removing the clock battery won't unset the admin password.
> Fortunately,
> I did the classroom setup and knew where that box was, so the teaching
> facility knew which student to lean on. The admin password
> was fuckyou.
You mean it didn't _leave_ with an administrative password and a boot
password? :)
Anyway, you could boot to single-user mode to remove the administrative
password. The boot password would be the problem. Can you bypass that
with the key?
Chris
Christopher Smith, Perl Developer
Amdocs - Champaign, IL
/usr/bin/perl -e '
print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n");
'
I have a number of boards with "WE" part numbers on the chips - some came
>from a 3B15, some from a PBX. I was curious to cross-reference the WE part
numbers for common logic so I could have an idea of what any of these
boards are doing.
I doubt any collectors in the "real world" have something as proprietary
as a 3B15, but if I'm wrong, I have some boards I don't have an
immediate need for, but I don't know what they are.
-ethan
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> ----------
> From: Doc
> Reply To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
> Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2002 4:39 PM
> To: 'classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org'
> Subject: RE: What's your specialty?
>
> On Wed, 6 Feb 2002, David Woyciesjes wrote:
>
> > Now, what about the face plate?
>
> You mean Apple shipped those boxes with *face-plates*???
>
> Doc
>
Eh, face plate, trim piece, bezel, whatever you call it... Yer pickin' on
me, aren't ya?
:)
--- David A Woyciesjes
--- C & IS Support Specialist
--- Yale University Press
--- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu
--- (203) 432-0953
--- ICQ # - 90581
Mac OS X 10.1.2 - Darwin Kernel Version 5.2: Fri Dec 7 21:39:35 PST 2001
Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash
> Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) write:
>
>With, OR WITHOUT, an MMU, it is legal C code!
Legal in the sense that the compiler cannot
spit it out. It does not, however, have an
implementation independent meaning
(i.e. different things can happen on different
platforms).
> int A[10];
> int N;
>. . .
> A[10] = 0;
>will NOT generate a runtime error.
While A[10] has a clear meaning
(the next int in memory after A[9])
that doesn't mean that:
(a) you have any idea which (if any)
of your other variables may be trodden on
(in particular there is no way you can
know where N will be in memory in
relationship to A[])
or
(b) that you cannot seg fault under some
circumstances on some machines
(as a simple example, consider the
case of an embedded system where
A[9] happens to land at the exact
top of your accessible memory).
Antonio
Bill -
I'd be happy to send you some CP/M boot disks and/or N* DOS disks
already set up for the Sol - I believe that some if not all of them have
the CBIOS source included.
Bob Stek
Saver of Lost Sols
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alex White [mailto:meltlet@fastmail.fm]
> Please, a VAX in the UK. Please.
> (the girlfriend requests that I ask for a MicroVAX...;)
Maybe you'll get lucky and find one in at least a BA123, or
a "this is a MicroVAX?!?!" that's been rackmounted with all
of its external peripherals...
Chris
Christopher Smith, Perl Developer
Amdocs - Champaign, IL
/usr/bin/perl -e '
print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n");
'
I like using pieces of aluminum cookie sheets -- right thickness, cuts &
bends easily. Used some to make brackets to mount hard drives over the
motherboard (where a short card would go) in AT&T 6300's so we could put in
a 3.5" floppy and keep the 5.25" floppy.
Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Hellige [mailto:jhellige@earthlink.net]
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 4:01 PM
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: What's your specialty?
> > Velcro... the drive sled of champions.
>
>I like that idea, I'd never thought of it. I'll have to keep it in mind.
>Beats just sitting it in there loose like I do.
I used it to stick a 1" Seagate drive to the side of the case
of my Power Computing Mac-clone when I ran out of actual drive bays.
It worked pretty good!
Jeff
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> ----------
> From: Chris
>
> >Bzzzt! Wrong answer, smart-ass! Everybody knows the answer is duct tape!
> >
> >Now, what about the face plate?
>
> More Duct Tape?
>
> -chris
>
Very good grasshopper! Very soon you too will master Improvisational
Manufacturing...
--- David A Woyciesjes
--- C & IS Support Specialist
--- Yale University Press
--- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu
--- (203) 432-0953
--- ICQ # - 90581
Mac OS X 10.1.2 - Darwin Kernel Version 5.2: Fri Dec 7 21:39:35 PST 2001
Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jon [mailto:jon@slurpee.org]
> pieces for computer parts let me know also, I find a lot of old
> dec/rs6000/hp9000/apple/sgi/next/misc (I dont really like x86
> stuff) so
> let me know and I'll keep my eye out for you.
I'm in need of a monitor cable (b&w, with 19 pins (I think) on
both ends), and a non-adb mouse for a NeXTStation. :)
Please let me know if you run into one of those.
Chris
Christopher Smith, Perl Developer
Amdocs - Champaign, IL
/usr/bin/perl -e '
print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n");
'
> What is a CD sled with screws worth? considering shipping will be
>another $3-$4....
Well.. I just paid $1 each for 7200 sleds from Small Dog... and there is
another vendor I saw selling IIvx sleds for $0.25 each (well... no, I was
TOLD they were selling them at $0.25 each... but I couldn't find them on
the site, or I would have bought some)
So... I would have to say, they aren't worth much.
That being the case... I would like 3 of them :-)
-chris
<http://www.mythtech.net>
> Any idea what the specs are, or the P/N of the backup battery is? I
>have a MP120 that throws an error about the backup battery every time it
>powers up. Works fine, though, and isn't losing data when powered down.
The backup battery only does its thing when the main batteries are dead
(or removed for changing).
It should be a user changable part in the battery compartment. On the 100
and 110 it is just a standard button cell battery (I think I bought my
last replacement one at Rat Shack)
The 110 in front of me uses a CR2032 battery (large button cell, 3v
lithium).
As long as the 120 isn't missing its battery, you should be able to just
remove it and read the numbers off the back of the battery. If it is
missing, it is probably the same battery as the 110, since the 120 was
built around the same design (110, 120 and 130 were all "sister" units...
the OMP and 100 were sisters, and the 2000, 2001 were sisters)
-chris
<http://www.mythtech.net>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Doc [mailto:doc@mdrconsult.com]
> I see that your Spousal Equivalent has good taste, too. I want the
Well, _I_ think she does. :)
> AT&T and the Tadpole..... I know they're fairly common, but
> the price!
The Tadpoles are pretty common, and coming down into the
three-digit range fully working ;)
Unix PCs are less common. I have one, but she got the original
box with hers ;) (mine has a larger disk, though, and a couple
extra serial ports)
Mine was given to me -- saved from the trash. We paid $20 for
hers, which was still wrapped in plastic and everything. It was
offered to me by a local computer dealer who just happened to
have it setting around in the back of the shop.
Chris
Christopher Smith, Perl Developer
Amdocs - Champaign, IL
/usr/bin/perl -e '
print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n");
'
After reading my own message I realized I should have given some context. The
program was about VENONA, the codebreaking operation which uncovered the
secret of the Soviet Union's atomic success. It included quite a personal
insight into the soviet agents at Los Almos in the 1940s.
In Oregon it will be repeated Thursday evening. I will be earlier than it's
normal time Thursday 9:00 instead of 11:00 PM I believe.
Early in the program they showed how coded messages were keypunched and
sorted on 1940s IBM equipment. I saw no computers. I suspect this is what
they were at the Museum to photograph.
When I had my warehouse I rented equipment to movies. Usually had a set
designer come through and pick out equipment. Then negotiated a price for the
rental. They usually picked it up and returned it. It did not need to be
running equipment, it just had to look good. Generally they took good care of
it. A couple of times they wanted computer equipment to destroy. They did
break a copier once but paid for it quickly and fairly.
It didn't generate a lot of income but it was fun.
Paxton
Astoria, OR
Well, like others, I am trying to limit things, and going more for depth
than breadth (ie, not focus on every motherboard revision, but try to get
one system with all docs and peripherals)...
The collection seems to center around a few nexuses (nexii??):
- All-in-one CP/M machines (Kaypro 4, Televideo TS-803, Zenith Z-121,
Northstar Advantage, Osborne 1)
- "Single-board computers" (AIM-65, Big Board, Xerox 820)
- Apple II (IIgs w/ ZIP GSX, High speed SCSI, 4MB RAM, ComputerEyes. A
"killer" IIe w/ 1MB RAM, SCSI Rev. C, CP/M card, Super Serial. A couple of
IIc and IIc+ machines)
- S-100 (Two sweeeeeeeeet CompuPro setups, docs, disks, etc. Also several
misc. motherboards, cards, power supplies, docs.)
- Macintosh is rapidly becoming a nexus, though I am trying to avoid it
(simply for lack of space) ... a Performa 6360 w/ 80MB RAM, 256KB cache,
video in and TV cards, a PaperPort scanner, and a Sylewriter 1200 printer.
Also a Performa 630CD DOS Compatible, several LC IIs, and a Mac Plus w/ 20MB
external Hard Drive.
- Also several oddballs, like a TI-99/4A w/ PEB, a TRS-80 Model III, a
memodyne M-80, a Tandy 102, and a couple of old DOS/WIN 3.1 laptops...
I try to thin things out sometimes(as my occasional free stuff and informal
auction postings to the list will verify), and focus more when I stray.
It's hard, though....
What do I want? heh... an SDK-85 would be nice (I have the docs already), a
Transwarp for the IIe, a 3.5" disk interface card for the IIe, a MEK6800D2
(I have half of one -- keypad and display, and docs), an MECB (??) -- the
Motorola 68000 SBC, w/ "TUTOR" monitor (I have the docs), a G3 upgrade card
for the Performa 6360....
Rich B.
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On Feb 6, 6:13, Kris Kirby wrote:
> On Wed, 6 Feb 2002, Dave McGuire wrote:
> > You don't need other hardware. I'd send you the pinouts but I don't
> > remember them offhand.
>
> Great. The occasion is that the gentleman with the PDP8 knows it counts
> out of the console port, but doesn't have hardward to do so. I'm going to
> give him a little gift. :)
>
> Anyone know where I can get (2) of those 20MA male connectors?
Not the shells (they're obsolete, unfortunately) but were part ofthe AMP
Mate-N-Lok Commercial range, the same as is used on 5.25" drive connectors.
You can still get the pin inserts and socket inserts, of course.
--
Pete Peter Turnbull
Network Manager
University of York
There's a crate of dead Apple CD drives at work. Yes, mostly with
sleds attached. My boss, the scrapper, will send them to the crusher
unless I ask for some, at which point he will perceive value and want
large bux.
What is a CD sled with screws worth? considering shipping will be
another $3-$4....
And who all wants one? IIRC, the same sled fits the pizza-box Centris,
6100, 8x0, 950, and 8500?
Haven't seen any bezels.
Doc
> ----------
> From: Chris
>
>
> >Anyone have a sled and
> >faceplate to stick a CD-ROM in the Quadra 800?
>
> Velcro... the drive sled of champions.
>
>
Bzzzt! Wrong answer, smart-ass! Everybody knows the answer is duct tape!
Now, what about the face plate?
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>Sorry - satellite goes down 2-3 times per winter as a standard, but it
>picked one hell of a time to go down...
Yeah... my satallite goes out maybe 6 times a year (last time was during
the Oz season finale... what is it with picking bad timing).
But even with 6 times a year... that is still better than my cable that
used to go out about 6 times a month! (and I get WAY more channels for
the same money... and STILL find myself flipping around with nothing good
to watch)
Now... if I could just get a dual decoder TiVo to go with my satallite (I
have Dish Network... which is a bit behind the curve... DirecTV users
have better decoder options)
-chris
<http://www.mythtech.net>
Ok, a few of you might know me from a cross post that Doc posted here
about some NeXT computers... At one point I was an avid collector of all
things computer (and I still have quite a bit), so I cant pass up a good
deal, but unfortunantly while I'm in school I have to part with most of
the stuff I get in order to get food and pay rent :) There are a few pics
of this bad boy in:
http://cherry.slurpee.org/~jon/pics/
The box it self has a few markings on it, but the contents inside are
perfect (one side of the software box is ripped, but the computer/kb/m
havent been touched). I figured I'd find a better home for it on this list
than on ebay, so if you're interested make me an offer. If you need misc
pieces for computer parts let me know also, I find a lot of old
dec/rs6000/hp9000/apple/sgi/next/misc (I dont really like x86 stuff) so
let me know and I'll keep my eye out for you.
Thanks,
jon
I just noticed something weird about my SOL.
>From everything I can tell, it is a SOL-20.
It has the S-100 backplane, the big power supply,
the numpad, etc. BUT, the silver serial number
label reads:
Sol Terminal Computer
Model No. 10 <<<yes, ten
------------------------
Serial No. 103476
------------------------
etc.
I wonder how this machine ended up with the wrong lid?
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff Hellige [mailto:jhellige@earthlink.net]
> >about me. She does have her own collection, and
> >encourages me way too much.
> Mine does as well...she collects Barbie dolls and we have 3
> cabinets full of the things. She hasn't bought any for a while,
Um, no... mine has a small VAX, an AT&T Unix PC, and Apple Lisa,
a small Macintosh, a Tadpole Sparcbook...
Chris
Christopher Smith, Perl Developer
Amdocs - Champaign, IL
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'
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Roger Merchberger [mailto:zmerch@30below.com]
> Darn, you prolly know perl about 1000000% better than me...
> So, I can't trade your wife 6 months of perl programming for
> a sparcbook...
> :-(
I don't think she's thinking about getting rid of it anyway. :)
She also knows enough perl to get by, so it probably wouldn't
be a very good trade either.
I haven't been able to get her to try assembly, pascal, modula,
oberon, or c much yet.
> Always wanted one of those.
Me too. :) Especially since she got this one. They're very
impressive up close, and I think all notebooks should be judged
by them.
> My wife is also amongst the computer illiterate, but at least
> I have her
> brainwashed^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H educated enough to not want
> Windows on
> any machine she uses... :-)
That's the first step on the path to computer literacy. :)
Chris
Christopher Smith, Perl Developer
Amdocs - Champaign, IL
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'
>(Oh, just realised I forgot one of my favourite toys - my Apple Newton
>Original Message Pad. I think it'll be on topic in a year :-)
I don't have an OMP, but I have a 100 and two 110s... I used to write
software for them. I was one of the few people that was actually a member
of the "newton developer" program with apple... now I am just a plain old
"select" member :-(
-chris
<http://www.mythtech.net>
Hmmm...specialty...
- National Semi 32000 based stuff
- SBCs & eval boards for odd processors (e.g. Signetics 2650, Fairchild F8,
RCA 1801, MIL-STD-1750A)
- VMEBus stuff
- 68060 based stuff (mostly VMEbus...not really interested in an Amiga)
- Lisp, Smalltalk or Modula machines
- Interesting terminals (Tektronix, ATT 5620/730/BLIT)
- Bubble memory devices, and to a lesser extent, core memory devices
And other sufficiently odd things...
Ken
On February 5, Pat Finnegan wrote:
> Over at Purdue Salvage, they have an RS/6000 Model 7013 'space heater'
> sized system. On the front it says 'Power Server 560(590?)' Any ideas on
> value, and is anyone interested?
If it's a 590, I'm definitely interested. No idea what it'd be
worth though.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire
St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf
On Tue, 5 Feb 2002, Sellam Ismail wrote:
> Ok, now's your chance to discuss your specialty and get the attention
> of other folks who have stuff that you may want.
NeXT 68030 cube (with working Optical, how novel...)
SGI Indigo R3000
Sun Sparcstation 1+
Sun Sparcstation 5
Sun Ultra 5 (way off topic by 6 years...)
Apricot Generic MSDOS machines (XEN, Xi) and IBM compats (Xen-i, Qi, VX/FT
etc)
Sinclair QL
Z88
And the wannabe/Wannahave stuff - Psion MC400, Wang PC, Wang VS100,
RS/6000, NeXT Dimension, BeBox, IBM PS/2 95
Tim, when you've finished with that MC400 be sure to let me know. I've been
after one for years....;-)
//Rich
Rumor has it that Christopher Smith may have mentioned these words:
>Um, no... mine has a small VAX, an AT&T Unix PC, and Apple Lisa,
>a small Macintosh, a Tadpole Sparcbook...
<Homer>
Ooooohhh, Sparcbook... Mmmmmmmmm...
</Homer>
>Christopher Smith, Perl Developer
Darn, you prolly know perl about 1000000% better than me...
So, I can't trade your wife 6 months of perl programming for a sparcbook...
:-(
Always wanted one of those.
My wife is also amongst the computer illiterate, but at least I have her
brainwashed^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H educated enough to not want Windows on
any machine she uses... :-)
Laterz,
Roger "Merch" Merchberger
--
Roger "Merch" Merchberger --- sysadmin, Iceberg Computers
Recycling is good, right??? Ok, so I'll recycle an old .sig.
If at first you don't succeed, nuclear warhead
disarmament should *not* be your first career choice.
Well, I watched it, didn't tape it. The Computer Museum was not mentioned or
shown.
There were some pictures of keypunching and running the cards through a
sorter that I thought could have been shot at the Museum.
Paxton
Astoria, OR
On Feb 6, 4:08, r. 'bear' stricklin wrote:
> I just wired a handful of these adapters for my own asynch comms server.
> Crossing TX and RX, as well as RTS and CTS, was a "no-duh". But what the
> heck do I do with DSR, DCD, and DTR? Part of my problem is I don't
> understand exactly what those signals are used for and how they relate to
> each other.
>
> I looked at some PC "null modem" cables and they seem to tie DSR and DCD
> at one end, to DTR at the other. I'd do this exact thing for my setup but
> the comm server only offers DCD and DTR signals.
>
> How do I handle DSR, DCD, and DTR in this situation? I tried leaving them
> unwired but things seemed unhappy.
The way I usually do it is to cross wire like this:
DTR -------------------- DSR
\
DSR -- ------ DCD
\
DCD -------------------- DTR
Another way is to simply link all three together on each connector (with no
DTR/DSR/DCD connections between the connectors).
I usually also cross over RTS and CTS, or tie them together at each end.
The logic is roughly like this: terminal connected to modem; terminal
raises DTR to indicate that it's active (Data Terminal Ready) and it wants
some attention. If modem is powered up, it replies by raising DSR (Data
Set Ready) to indicate some kind of life. If it grabs a line, makes a
connection, and gets a carrier tone in response, it raises DCD (Data
Carrier Detect) to say so.
I say "roughly" because it's actually different for full-duplex and
half-duplex, and neither is quite what I've described above. However, that
conveys the general sense. So in a situation where you have two terminals
(or any other equivalent device, like a PC, printer, in fact any DTE or
Data Terminal Equipment rather than DCE -- Data Communications Equipment)
you create a "null modem" in between. When one side raises DTR, the other
sees DSR, and vice-versa. When ever one sees DSR, it knows there's
something there and it also sees DCD and thinks it's OK to transmit and
receive (well, strictly speaking, only to receive).
--
Pete Peter Turnbull
Network Manager
University of York
In a message dated 2/6/02 2:01:15 PM Eastern Standard Time,
DAW(a)yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu writes:
> Hmmm, pretty nice. Yea, I stuffed 32MB RAM into my SE/30. And I do think I
> just may have a 1 GB HDD to stick in there too. The 840AV does sound nice.
> Maybe I can score the Quadra 800 here at work. Anyone have a sled and
>
I have a 950 that could use that too!
-Linc.
In The Beginning there was nothing, which exploded - Yeah right...
Calculating in binary code is as easy as 01,10,11.
Anybody intrested in a Digital H775A battery backup unit for the cost of
postage?
You can have it with or without the 2 battery containers.
Each container holds 6 2V 5AH recharchable cells.
If you do want it without the batteries, I'll include the 2 containers
and the 2
cables + 1 cell, so you know the size.
All the cells are empty and don't seem to be recharching anymore.
Ed
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> ----------
> From: Chris
>
> >I really should find out if my Macintosh II, with the scribbled date
> under
> >the lid, is rare or not,
>
> I know the original macs all had sigs in the case (128, 512s, plus, se,
> and I think into the SE/30 is when they stopped)... I have also heard
> rumor that the original II series had sigs or similar in the case (II,
> IIx, IIcx)... but being as I dont have those 3 (yet), I can't check for
> myself.
>
Hopefully, I'll have my computer room cleaned up and set up within a week,
or so. Once that is done, it's time to open and inspect my Macs for stuff
like that...
> But hey... I am sure if you took it to Antiques Road Show, they would
> tell you it is worth a few grand easy.
>
Heh, heh... then I just might have to sell it to someone there ;-)
> >just to make you jealous Chris... ;-)
>
> Well... at least as of tomorrow, we will have a fair fight when swinging
> SE/30's... I'm driving into NYC to pick up an SE/30 and an 840AV with a
> SpigotProAV card (the SE/30 is pretty well loaded, 32mb RAM with 200mb
> HD... so it looks like I will finally get around to installing NetBSD on
> a Mac... and I have to look into the Spigot card... if it can capture to
> MPEG, I might turn the 840 into a standalone VCD burner... but from first
> checks, looks like the Spigot captures to a propritary JPEG format)
>
> -chris
>
> <http://www.mythtech.net>
>
Hmmm, pretty nice. Yea, I stuffed 32MB RAM into my SE/30. And I do think I
just may have a 1 GB HDD to stick in there too. The 840AV does sound nice.
Maybe I can score the Quadra 800 here at work. Anyone have a sled and
faceplate to stick a CD-ROM in the Quadra 800?
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Oh yes, me too. Two 100's, modems, and a centris 610 that I used to run the
developer kit on. Found one of the developer magazines the other day too.
Never could get my MP to accurately translate Hillary Clinton <grin>......
"Hans Franke"
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> >(Oh, just realised I forgot one of my favourite toys - my Apple Newton
> >Original Message Pad. I think it'll be on topic in a year :-)
> I don't have an OMP, but I have a 100 and two 110s... I used to write
> software for them. I was one of the few people that was actually a member
> of the "newton developer" program with apple... now I am just a plain old
> "select" member :-(
On this list you're never alone when it comes to such things.
Gruss
H.
(Who realy would like to see a new Newt)
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http://www.vcfe.org/
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Doc [mailto:doc@mdrconsult.com]
> <flamebait>
> I also have this perverse fascination with Macintosh hardware. I
> don't like it. I keep wanting to like it, and accumulating
> more of it.
> MacOS 9.1 is the second poorest excuse for an OS I've ever seen.
> Windows ME was just barely worse.
> </flamebait>
Macintosh hardware is much harder to appreciate than most of the
more industrial machines. It becomes especially hard when you
see the things that Macintosh could have been (Lisa, NeXT) :)
It is, however, a cut above the intel garbage that has the
market saturated, and for that reason, I like it. There are
also some interesting bits of Macintosh hardware that most people
don't see...
http://www.lunar.com/portfolio/client_archive/netserver.html
(They also have a newer "workgroup server," which I hear is similar,
but with a glowing green apple on the side. :)
> I'd like to have a non-Mac 68k workstation, but I don't know which
> yet.
May I suggest the SGI IRIS 3000, if you can find one, and have the
space. I can't, and I don't, but if I could, I would. ;)
Otherwise, the NeXT platform is truly the "holy grail" of unix
workstations.
This post is, of course, heavily saturated with personal opinion. :)
Chris
Christopher Smith, Perl Developer
Amdocs - Champaign, IL
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'
On February 6, Huw Davies wrote:
> >What is your opinion of the DS10 Alpha as an entry level
> >current "production" machine. I was thinking that my
> >next acquisition might be something more contemporary.
> >I found an interesting reference to one here:
> >
> >http://www.antarctica.ac.uk/Resources/Computing/halley.html
> >
> >... which got me interested.
>
> Nice box although I think they are a little overpriced (but this is
> probably due to the cost of the alpha chip more than anything else). Choice
Overpriced for that level of performance? I disagree.
> of at least three operating systems (OpenVMS, Tru64 and Linux). Wouldn't
> surprise me if one of the BSDs ran too. Inbuilt ethernet and unless I'm
> mistaken, IDE disks can be used if you want to save a few dollars.
You can indeed use IDE disks on a DS10...if you want to trash the I/O
performance of the system.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire
St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf
> ----------
> From: Pat Finnegan
>
> On Tue, 5 Feb 2002, Pat Finnegan wrote:
>
> > Over at Purdue Salvage, they have an RS/6000 Model 7013 'space heater'
> > sized system. On the front it says 'Power Server 560(590?)' Any ideas
> on
> > value, and is anyone interested?
>
> It is aparently a PowerServer 550L, has 64M of ram (filled card), some
> sort of framebuffer card (TI DSP's on it and 3 mini-coax connectors stuck
> in a DE-9 or DA-15 connector shell, like a Sun video connector, but
> without the extra pins), builtin 10Base2 and AUI ethernet, SCSI, 3 hard
> drive, tape drive, floppy drive, and probably other things I'm fogetting
> to mention.
>
> One of the hard drives (which I have yet to determine the size of) was
> completely unhooked from the scsi bus and power, so it's probably either a
> spare or broken..
>
> Any ideas on where to get a bootable tape so I can reset root's password
> (haven't booted it yet, still gotta try that first.)
>
> -- Pat
> West Lafayette, IN
>
I do say, dear boy, that sounds like a nice little score!
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Preservation of less common software and documentation, mostly
concentrating on mid-60's to late 70's minicomputers right now.
Tech support / research for simulator writers
Xerox workstation archaeology.
I have a pretty varied collection. If I had to claim a
specialty, it would be "high-end" systems. Perhaps I
could specialize even further and say "graphics
workstations," but that would leave out several machines
which I'm very interested in -- the PDP-11 series, VAXen
(Unless I manage to find an old Intergraph...)
I've also become very interested in vector processors
recently, though most of those are way too large for my
current resources.
Most of my collection consists of machines which I find
interesting, and / or unusually innovative or powerful
given the time of release.
Generally this means:
SGI
NeXT
DEC
Other datacenter/workstation type machines -- for instance,
I have one SPARC (two, but only one that is setup...), one
HP 9000, and a Sequent S81 (multiprocessor fridge sized
box with up to 30 i386/16Mhz CPUs and matching Weitek co-
processors), MIPS M/120 (Interesting to me since I see
a lot of MIPS influence in modern SGI systems...) An Atari
ST (newest machine I can think of with the entire O/S in
ROM -- excluding embedded systems.)
Early machines (the earlier the better. I only have one
slide-rule, though, and one abacus)
I also have a collection of interesting or significant
home micros... A couple of apples (notably a IIGS), an
Amiga (I would like a better one, actually...), a Heath H8
(interesting because of the front-panel, if for no other
reason)
Things that I'm missing would include:
Intergraph
A working NeXT (of any sort. I have a slab, but no monitor
cable or mouse -- I'm getting there... would also like a
cube)
A Unibus PDP-11. Preferably with blinkenlights, 8" disks,
DECTape, etc, etc...
A hardcopy terminal (Though, I'm supposed to get one
sometime soon...)
At Atari ATW (well, I can dream, right? :)
A Cray EL92 (or 94, or something)
A lisp machine
An RS/6000 (I'd actually like to find a smaller one of
these...)
An AS/400 (Yes, I know somebody offered one up recently,
but imagine having it shipped! Anyway, I'm holding out
for the Cray :)
A working Alpha (I'm well on my way to getting my
Multia running)
Chris
Christopher Smith, Perl Developer
Amdocs - Champaign, IL
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'
>I really should find out if my Macintosh II, with the scribbled date under
>the lid, is rare or not,
I know the original macs all had sigs in the case (128, 512s, plus, se,
and I think into the SE/30 is when they stopped)... I have also heard
rumor that the original II series had sigs or similar in the case (II,
IIx, IIcx)... but being as I dont have those 3 (yet), I can't check for
myself.
But hey... I am sure if you took it to Antiques Road Show, they would
tell you it is worth a few grand easy.
>just to make you jealous Chris... ;-)
Well... at least as of tomorrow, we will have a fair fight when swinging
SE/30's... I'm driving into NYC to pick up an SE/30 and an 840AV with a
SpigotProAV card (the SE/30 is pretty well loaded, 32mb RAM with 200mb
HD... so it looks like I will finally get around to installing NetBSD on
a Mac... and I have to look into the Spigot card... if it can capture to
MPEG, I might turn the 840 into a standalone VCD burner... but from first
checks, looks like the Spigot captures to a propritary JPEG format)
-chris
<http://www.mythtech.net>
On February 6, William S. wrote:
> What is your opinion of the DS10 Alpha as an entry level
> current "production" machine. I was thinking that my
> next acquisition might be something more contemporary.
> I found an interesting reference to one here:
>
> http://www.antarctica.ac.uk/Resources/Computing/halley.html
>
> ... which got me interested.
There's nothing "entry level" about a DS10. Those machines are
frighteningly powerful, even the lower of the two versions. But yes,
it's a wonderful machine.
-Dave
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> ----------
> From: Chris
>
> >There are
> >exactly five MacOSes worth using: 6.0.8, 7.1, 8.1, 9.1 and 10.1.x and up.
>
> I agree 99%... I prefer 7.5.5 over 7.1... I have just found it more
> stable but YMMV
>
> (and 9.2 sucks ass... my iMac won't stop crashing since I moved to it
> from 9.1... I think it was an apple trick to push people to OS X... which
> I just haven't fallen in love with yet, probably because most of what I
> use isn't carbonized)
>
> -chris
>
> <http://www.mythtech.net>
>
Huh? 9.1 caused more problems for me, and 9.2 fixed them. And OSX,
yes I am definitely diggin' it. Not using my Win98 box here at work anymore,
it's sitting on a desk behind me now...
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stan Sieler [mailto:sieler@allegro.com]
> Did you try to look up a price with the HP model
> number for the battery that I gave you?
Nope -- been busy. It's pretty bad when you can't get time
to look up the price of a battery on a web-page. :)
Chris
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On February 5, William Donzelli wrote:
> Once in a Blue Moon, you might come across an RS/6000 with a strange tag
> (6611 Network Processor, I think). They are basically Powerserver 220 and
> 320 machines, but with the V.35 and Ethernet cards. Sometimes these cards
> are still installed. Grab them at all costs. I have found them in these
> before, at hamfests and junkyards. Nearly all of the early RS960s went back
> to IBM, or were scrapped.
Oh YES! ...enss230.digex.net was one of those. We had an NSFnet T1
for a long while, it came up in March of 1993. That was one FAST
router. The thing that bugged me about it was that it was HUGE...or
rather, the rack it was in was huge. It was a desktop box, about rack
width and maybe 6" tall, but they put it in an extended-width short
rack about the size of a washing machine. The set it in there on the
floor of the rack, VERTICALLY, with a U-shaped shroud around it. The
rack was mostly empty space! On top of it were the two 1U rackmount
Cylink CSU/DSUs (main and spare), an Exabyte tape drive, and a modem
for remote management.
We got fed up with it taking up so much space in our tiny computer
room that we took it all apart during a config window and re-racked it
in one of our nice compact Sun racks. :) When the IBM CE came out to
"maintain" the system we sent him away, pointing to a FEMA contract
that required us to restrict access to our computer room to
"authorized personnel", of which he wasn't one...so they never busted
us. When our contract ended and we had to return the machine, we
hastily reassembled it back into its [huge] glory and gave it back to
them at the door. :)
We weren't given accounts on the machine. We were a bunch of
old-school hacker types, every one of us paranoid having come from the
defense industry, and we couldn't stand the idea of the ANS guys
running this Unix box on our network that we didn't have access
to...and we knew it was their NOC's procedure to dial into it, log in,
and check the logs if the machine ever went down. So one day we
rigged up a serial sniffer between the machine and the modem, and
power-cycled it...waited 'til they dialed in, and sniffed the root
password. It pained us to do that to a running unix machine, but hey,
it got us access to the machine.
Those RS960 cards were the first production router interfaces (on ANY
router) that could route a T3 at full speed, if memory serves.
We had to set up a local router on the ethernet to BGP peer with that
RS/6000 as part of our agreement with ANS for the T1. Our company was
DIRT poor; we couldn't afford a Cisco (lots of hand-waving and
trickery got us the ANS T1 for free for many, many months thanks to
the brilliant guy who was running the company) so we built out a
SPARCstation-2 and loaded up NetBSD/sparc 0.9 (I *think* it was
v0.9)...ran gated on it...and peered it up with enss230. It worked
like a champ, with 9,000 routes in the routing table, and never
crashed. It was amazing!
Firing up nslookup just now, I find enss230.digex.net is still in DNS
at its original IP address...an "A" record that I myself put into the
nameserver tables nine years ago.
Anyway, sorry for being a windbag...I first moved to the DC area in
the beginning of 1993 to "do that Digex thing" and now I've recently
moved away; kinda the "end of an era" for me and a major part of my
life.
-Dave
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Andreas.Freiherr(a)Vishay.com wrote...
> try a MicroVAX first, to give her time to get used to it... ;-)
I did suggest moving the cooker & fridge out of the kitchen so
we could get a Vax in & wire it up to the cooker supply, but the
idea wasn't popular :-).
>> I'd dearly love a Vax (first 'real' computer I used, don't know which
>> model 'cos I only saw the serial terminal,) but fear my wife would
>> kill me if I tried to get one in the flat :-).
> A MicroVAX II in a BA23 box uses about the same space and power as a
> tower PC, so this is probably a good "soft drug" to start with. You may
> then try to add a cabinet with RA8x disks to see how far you can go...
> ;-)
Hmm, looks like a nice machine... I shall be keeping an eye on eBay
et al. Only concern being the possibility of getting a hernia trying
to lug one upstairs :-).
I've been tempted by a VAXstation 3100 to get the ball rolling... I'd
definitely be able to get away with one in the house, and they seem
to be reasonably widely available. My one enduring memory of actually
using these though was possibly the worst mouse design I have
ever had the misfortune of using... Although the Apple 'puck'
comes pretty damn close!
Cheers,
Tim.
--
Tim Walls at home in Croydon - Reply to tim(a)snowgoons.fsnet.co.uk
Richard.Sandwell(a)roebry.co.uk wrote...
> And the wannabe/Wannahave stuff - Psion MC400, Wang PC, Wang VS100,
> RS/6000, NeXT Dimension, BeBox, IBM PS/2 95
>
> Tim, when you've finished with that MC400 be sure to let me know. I've
> been after one for years....;-)
Hehe, over my dead body <grin>. Seriously tho, if I didn't have a
genuine use for it I probably would pass it on - I only keep stuff I
intend to make some use of generally. But it does make for a really
handy portable serial terminal - I use it at work on 'real' servers as
well as for my home stuff.
The only annoyances it suffers are dodgy flow control, can't send a
BRK, and the damn touchpad pointing thing. This is so fantastically
annoying that whoever at Psion designed it should be shot - it's
based on absolute coordinates (touch in the top left, the pointer
jumps there,) the pointer disappears when you take your finger off
(more accurately, the pointer constantly appears/disappears while
you are trying to use it,) and it has an effective resolution of
about 1 inch... Other than that, it's great :-)
Cheers,
Tim.
(Oh, just realised I forgot one of my favourite toys - my Apple Newton
Original Message Pad. I think it'll be on topic in a year :-)
--
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> ----------
> From: Doc
>
> On Wed, 6 Feb 2002, Dave McGuire wrote:
>
> > Oh shit yes.
> >
> > -Dave
>
> <In his best "Simpsons" bully voice>
>
> Nyaahh-Haahh!!! I *wasn't* drinking coffee this time!
>
> Doc
>
Yeah? but I was... ***drip drip***
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-----Original Message-----
From: SUPRDAVE(a)aol.com [mailto:SUPRDAVE@aol.com]
> bzzzt,wrong! my wife to be is pretty and smart and
> more enlightened than most. Plus she knows *everything*
> about me and loves it all! heh.
Mine too, though I'm sure she doesn't love everything
about me. She does have her own collection, and
encourages me way too much.
Chris
Christopher Smith, Perl Developer
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In a message dated 2/5/2002 6:58:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, foo(a)siconic.com
writes:
> Ok, now's your chance to discuss your specialty and get the attention of
> other folks who have stuff that you may want
ok, I'll start
I specialise in IBM family one and PS/* models and apple products, primarily
the ][ series.
Well, I'm just getting started in this hobby, and currently in the
"grab the interesting (to me) stuff" phase. Although It's mostly centered
around (for now :-) workstation class boxes, and Macs...
> ----------
> From: Chris
>
> >Ok, now's your chance to discuss your specialty and get the attention of
> >other folks who have stuff that you may want.
>
> I want any items made by Apple Computer, but my forte is the Macintosh
>
> -chris
>
I really should find out if my Macintosh II, with the scribbled date under
the lid, is rare or not, just to make you jealous Chris... ;-)
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