Just happened to have a 3.11 box beside me; for those not as
fortunate, the answer displayed is 0.00
------------
> For the difference between 3.10 and 3.11, use the built-in calculator
> accessory to subtract 3.10 from 3.11. What do you get?
Ok, now's your chance to discuss your specialty and get the attention of
other folks who have stuff that you may want.
I disqualify myself from this discussion because technically a "Specialty
of Everything" is not really specialization.
I want everything and anything ;)
Actually, I do like to specialize where few fear to venture. I have
massive amounts of computer books, magazines, documentation and manuals.
I do not discriminate. If it's a book and it has just about anything at
all to do with computing, it goes into my library. Again, there is a
purpose to this seemingly unquenchable psychosis.
My collection of Y2K preparedness books is probably unrivaled (at this
point probably 30+ volumes and counting).
Somebody's got to do it.
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>But, if it's the same Protec in Quebec who did indeed
>make Z80 SBCs in the old days before they specialized in KVMs, they're
>still very much alive; why not try a phone call or e-mail.
I actually sent a few emails to them already (6, I believe). They only ever
answered 1 of them (the 2nd) to tell me that they didn't make personal
computers. I replied and told them the machine was made by a Protec
Microsystems Inc. in the 80's and I sent them a picture of it. They have yet
to respond. Hmmm... Maybe when they talk about providing unlimited post sale
support, they don't mean items that are 20 years old! :)
The only remaining option I can see is to keep posting until someone
recognizes the name. Thanks for the advice anyway.
Rob
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I have here a book titled _Programmeren can de 6502_ by Rodnay Zaks. It's
just what it sounds like: a book on programming the 6502 in Dutch. What
it was doing in a local charity shop is a mystery.
>From the back:
Dit boek is zo' geschreven dat men het programmeren in assemblertaal
van hef begin aan leren kan.
De eerste engelstalige editie was reeds een bestseller op het gebied
van programmeren en deze herziene en uitgebreide editie bevat nog meer
recente informatie en illustraties.
De versheidenheid der programmeringen en technieken richt zich naar de
interessen van elke programmator of hij nu een beginneling of een expert
is.
(I understand enough of this to know that it should give you a description
of the book ;)
(I think :)
I'll send it to any native Dutch speaker that wants it. In the case of
more than one interested party, I'll give it to the person who could most
use it, so please include a short description of why you want the book and
what you would use it for.
Please reply to me directly off-list.
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I found a Varian 402 Data Station. It's basically a Z80 machine with a
built-in CRT, 2 disk drives, and a thermal printer. It's huge.
When I fire it up, I get no activity on the CRT, but the thermal printer
goes into a self-test, pauses for a moment, then repeats. It does this
endlessly, so something must be wrong.
No activity on the disk drives either.
A Google search turned up nothing useful.
Anyone have any experience with these things?
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This response is a little late, and its only about the cuban cigarettes.
Cuban cigarettes are not better than american cigarettes. If you don't
believe me, you can order some on cigarpuff.com the two main brands are
"cohiba" and "romeo y julieta" and they both suck. Cuban cigars are far
superior than american cigars, but the same is not true of cigarettes. For
the worlds best cigarettes, go with turkish imports ( not camel, the genuine
stuff ).
Yesterday, another list member and I had a trading session. Here's what I
ended up with:
* Teletype ASR-33. It's a fixer-upper, but even if I can't get it to
work, it will make good spare parts for another tty. I love this thing.
* AT&T 3B2/EXP. This looks like a 3B2/1000. Working condition. Docs
included. I can't seem to find anything about the /EXP model in
particular. Does anyone know what's special about the /EXP?
* A few Honeywell terminals. Some may work, some probably don't.
After watching the recent thread on specialization, I think I need to
start working on converting breadth to depth. I think I'd rather have a
few near-perfectly complete systems than piles of unrelated parts. I'll
be putting some stuff up for trade soon, looking for some specific items.
--
Jeffrey S. Sharp
jss(a)subatomix.com
>I go to a place called "Electronics Barn" (in Bloomfield IIRC),
I'll have to go check that out... my brother lived in the Bloomfield area
for a while, so maybe he knows right where it is (if not, I will drag him
along anyway as he and I are always swapping parts, so I am sure he would
like a nice cheap source as well)
Thanks
-chris
<http://www.mythtech.net>
> Sun workstations, Kaypro IV, Xerox 820 (does anyone have 8" boot media for
> this thing?)
I should have it as well. If someone has the diagnostic disc, please keep me
in mind.
All of the manuals I had on it are up now at www.spies.com/aek/pdf/xerox/820
too.
> From: "Lawrence Walker" <lgwalker(a)mts.net>
> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
> Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 03:06:06 -0600
> Subject: Re: DEC Rainbows ...
> In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0202161252510.91051-100000(a)crash.cts.com>
>
> How would you do that ? I waited about 2 years before I finally found a
> BCC02 to connect my mono 'bow to my VR201. To build one with ribbon
> cable using the 15-pin plugs would be a lot of fiddly soldering. There's 8
> leads on each end to solder. For color to make a BCC03 that would be 12 on
> each end.
Crimp-on IDC. (Insulation Displacement Connector).
Just slide the flat cable into the connector and squeeze it all together.
Repeat for the other end, being sure that you have the orientation correct,
pin 1 to pin 1 etc.
carl
--
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clowenstein(a)ucsd.edu
On Sun, 17 Feb 2002, Kris Kirby wrote:
> With all this talk of RS/6000s, I've become a little interested in what
> these machines can do / are capable of.
A company I used to work for used them as the foundation of their Network
Management applications. Their software would among other things, manage
the events (alarms & other messages) coming from the network devices and
manage the configuration of the network. Later versions of their software
would graphically display the configuration and status of the network
in the form of a network map. One such instance was a state wide (& state
owned) fiber network carrying voice, data, & video.
Unfortunately, the company went under in the mid 90's. As the bankruptcy
dust settled, I found out that the bank had repo'd several machines.
I contacted the bank and the loan officer said something like "Duh, I doubt
what I can resell these Unix boxes in this podunk town". With that I
made an offer on one of the RS/6000 boxes which he accepted.
So for less than 1% of its original cost, I hauled home a model 320H.
It was complete with 80mb of memory, two SCSI hard drives, an external
tape drive, network card, and 16" color monitor. It has AIX (IBM's Unix)
3.2.5 on it as well as IBM's version of X-Windows. Nobody bothered to
'clean' the disks, so it was still loaded with the company's software
as well as a then current version of Oracle DBMS.
Also at the time, I manage to scrounge a few manuals for the RS/6000
series. One has specs and setup info (drive SCSI select, etc).
If anyone needs some info, I might be able to help.
Mike
>I wish I could find stuff like this in NJ. I wish I could just find
>the SCSI tapes in NJ.
I wish I could just find a decent place in NJ to get salvaged stuff... I
am jealous of the others that have all these nice goodwill stores that
seem to have a plethora of older fun machines.
-chris
<http://www.mythtech.net>
In a message dated 2/17/2002 11:36:13 PM Central Standard Time,
pcautomation(a)mindspring.com writes:
> I purchased an IBM Server 500 series computer yesterday at a yard sale for
> only $10
That's a quite nice MCA machine! Impressive looking, would like to have one
myself. If you decide to part it out, I'd love to have the CPU complex.
I think, therefore I am dangerous
--
Here's what I recently picked up:
Apple PC 5.25 Drive (DC-37) - was this for connecting to a PC or a special
card in the Mac?
Maynard Electronics MaxStream 60 digital cassette drive (SCSI)
Everex digital cassette drive (same as I already have but with the DC-37
cable; I still need interface card)
Sysgen Reliant-215 digital cassette drive (DC-37)
Mass Optical Storage Technology (SCSI) - it has a 3.5" slot...is this
floptical? The model is RMD-5200-S
SyQuest 270 (SCSI)
IBM 2.88MB Floppy (gotta have one of those)
Exabyte EXB-4200T DAT/DDS (SCSI)
IBM Type 3363 (SCSI) - is this WORM or MO? Also says P/N 63X4130
I definitely have digital cassette covered now. I found in my piles of
software and docs I was going through last night a complete set of
software and manuals for the Everex tape drive...sweet. I still need the
interface card.
I also found a set of tools from Flagstaff Engineering subtitled Data
Conversion Systems. The disks are labeled 1/2" Tape Utility Programs,
1/2" Tape Data Extraction and 1/2" Tape Language Interface. Haven't tried
to boot them up yet, but is any familiar with these tools?
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At 11:55 AM 17/02/2002 -0500, Pat Finnegan wrote:
>After cleaning, same problem. Now, when I try to copy data off the tape
>using "COPY MUA0 NEWS.TAR", VMS gives me these errors:
>
>%COPY-E-READERR, error reading _MUA0:[].;
>-RMS-F-RER, file read error
>-SYSTEM-W-DATAOVER, data overrun
>%COPY-W-NOTCMPLT, _MUA0:[].; not completely copied
>
>when I use dump, like "DUMP MUA0 /OUT=NEWS.DMP", it works just perfectly
>fine, which leads me to believe it might be a VMS problem. Prior to now,
>I was able to copy straight from the foreign mounted volume OK, but now
>it's not working at all, even after I power-cycled the drive and the vax.
>
>Help?
I'm assuming from the file name that the tape contains a Unix tar file. If
this is so, there are at least two "native" VMS programs designed to read
tar files. One is tar2vms (with it's partner vms2tar) which I've used many
times to read Unix tar tapes. A quick web search should find a copy nearby.
Huw Davies | e-mail: Huw.Davies(a)kerberos.davies.net.au
| "If God had wanted soccer played in the
| air, the sky would be painted green"
> From: Chad Fernandez <fernande(a)internet1.net>
> All my stuff is solid state, no tubes. I don't have anything that is
> truly worth a lot, I don't think. I'd just like to have consistant
> sound. Where's Tony, on this?
In England, I expect ;>)
Chad --
I smoke, and although it has never bothered my computers the smoke bugs the
shit out of my audio gear. Every couple of months I take my main amp and
mixer apart and spray a lot of plain old tuner cleaner into the switches
and pots. Then I pull *all* the plugs and spray tuner cleaner all over
them and into *all* the jacks. Then I wiggle everything around a lot and
the problems go away -- for a couple of months. BTW I probably don't need
to tell you this but make sure the fluid has evaporated before powering
anything up.
Glen
0/0
Yesterday at Goodwill I found a PowerServer 350 and 370; a PowerStation
340 for $12.99 each. Have not tested them yet but all were full of
memory and not stripped of parts that I could tell. They also had a TI
99 color monitor but it needed some work for $6.99. There were also
about 10 external SCSI tape units with no names on them, so I just
purchased one at $9.99.
Hi all! I'm in need of batteries for a sparcbook2, even if they don't hold
a charge. Also, does anyone know the extent of the Y2k problems? Are they
just generic OS problems (SunOS 4.1.2B1) or are there firmware problems too?
Thanks!
Bob
> From: Chris Craft <ccraft(a)springsips.com>
> Sun workstations, Kaypro IV, Xerox 820 (does anyone have 8" boot media
for
> this thing?)
I believe I have 8" boot disks for this critter (thanks, Joe) but currently
have no way to copy them or to verify their condition. If you'll pay
round-trip postage and SWEAR to return them, I'll be happy to lend them to
you.
They're at my shop, & I'm at home, so I'll check it out tomorrow and let
you know exactly what's there.
Glen
0/0
>If these computers were still useful and interesting, they wouldn't be
>candidates for the crusher. Likewise, if there were any real value in those
>cars to which you refer, someone would figure out a way to profit from them.
>If they look good, it's probably the typcial "appearance over substance."
That is SO not true. (was this flame bait? did I just fall for it?!?)
For instance, there is a perfectly good, running 1992 Toyota Celica
sitting in my fire department lot waiting for us to tear it apart. It
runs, fine... the only thing wrong with it is the catalytic converter is
bad so it fails emissions testing during inspection. The owner used that
as an excuse to buy a new car, and donated this one to us. Book value,
$4,000.
We will be tearing it to shreds Wednesday and then our scrapper will haul
it off to his yard on a flat bed.
So no... just because it has real value, doesn't mean it will be used for
that value.
Frankly, I am a little amazed you can participate on a list like this and
NOT have an intimate understanding of how many perfectly usable computers
are sent to the junk yard all the time. (I have a garage full of working
LC5xx macs that are being cleaned up and given to people that can't
afford a computer... they were all pulled from a school dumpster... if
they hadn't been pulled out by a wise computer enthusiast, they would be
in a land fill by now)
-chris
<http://www.mythtech.net>
> From: bill pointon <wpointon(a)earthlink.net>
> wasnt dumpster in the alley part II on that mothers bootleg album from
> 69 -- i think they played it at their boston tea party gig in spring of
> 70 but i may not be remembering correctly -- thanks -- billp
Could you be referring to "Wino Man" from the bootleg "Freaks &
Motherfu#@%!" which was recorded (poorly) at the Fillmore East in '70,
released on vinyl in '82, and re-released in '91 on Rhino's FOO-EEE label?
Glen
0/0
I was preparing to throw these out but thought someone else out there might
have some fun with them.
I have two (2) Bondwell B310 Plus notebooks with power converters, three (3)
batteries between the two of them and one charging unit. They are 286's
with 1MB of ram and 40MB hard drives. Both have small issue with the
contrast controls causing problems when you try to make adjustments and one
is in need of either a new floppy drive or at the least some TLC. They are
also in need of OS's.
They are free to a good home but you have to pick up the shipping.
> From: Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) <cisin(a)xenosoft.com>
> The primary design goal of Windoze 3.10 was to get rid of the
> multitudinous UAEs ("Unexpected Application Error"s)
>
> To some extent, they succeeded. (Now they were EXPECTED.)
>
>
> For the difference between 3.10 and 3.11, use the built-in calculator
> accessory to subtract 3.10 from 3.11. What do you get?
IIRC the reason we did the "upgrade" was that Win 3.0 didn't support
TrueType fonts.
> UAE was a poor choice for an error message, as few if any knew what it
> meant. It was replaced by the even less understood "General Protection
> Fault". The issue of the message was finally addressed with the change
to
> "program has performed an illegal operation", which had the major benefit
> of pointing the blame away from the operating system. (even though it was
> often Windoze that had done the dastardly deed.)
>From time to time I will get a call from someone who bought a PC from us
asking (in a frightened or angry voice) why we sold them an *illegal*
computer . . . "it says so right here on the screen, and my program won't
work."
Glen
0/0
I agree with Philip Belben, The Victor 9000 runs both (Victor/MS) DOS and
CP/M86 run on it and someone out there has it/them. There was an IBM above
board built for it. That made it IBM compatible (don't know if that included
a way to have drive support (e.g. - drive support software for multiple
formats - like the original Wang PC and APC), or accepted other drives that
might be installed. Any way, without that option you can't boot from any IBM
or Industry Standard DOS.
The Act Sirius-1 (a re-badged Victor 9000) should work. Try Google - or
another search engine - and search for Victor 9000. There is a surprising
amount of info out there. I have just begun digging through the 25,000 (not
a typo) separate items that Google found. Take someone up on getting disk
copies for Victor 9000 or the Sirius, whether in the States or wherever.
Bob Allbery
> From: Tony Duell <ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk>
I wrote:
> > Here's a cheaper solution (and a better selection): go to World of
> > Spectrum at http://www.void.jump.org/ and download an emulator.
They're
> > available for a lot of platforms including Unix, Amiga, and Win CE.
> > (Warajevo is my personal favorite for Win9x). You now have *free*
access
> > to over 10,000 programs, which you can also download from WOS.
Tony replied:
> Hang on a second. To do that you have to have a PC. People with PCs will
> generally use them for e-mail (if they want e-mail), since it's cheaper
> (and better) than buying a dedicated 'e-mail phone'. Surely the Amstrad
> 'e-mail phone' is aimed at those people who _don't_ have a PC, and who
> therefore couldn't run a spectrum emulator.
Tony, I'll grant that your logic concerning the targeted market for the
device is correct, but you *don't* have to have a PC to run a Spectrum
emulator. Software emulators are available for platforms such as Gameboy,
Dreamcast, and Playstation. Of course, you might have to use someone
else's internet-capable system in order to download the emulator and games,
but strictly speaking PC ownership is not a prerequisite for running a
Spectrum emulator.
Glen
0/0
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Ford [mailto:mikeford@socal.rr.com]
> Day). Individuals and businesses can bring in their old
> computer equipment,
> including monitors and hard drives. There is no charge for
> this service.
I would read that: "Give us some stuff so that we don't have
to buy so much of it."
> country. Computers that are unable to be rebuilt "will be recycled
> responsibly to generate reusable materials," according to the
> press release.
... and translated, this probably means: "Anything that we don't know
what to do with will be turned into bicycle spokes and sent to China."
> number. To confirm store hours and whether they will accept a
> certain type
> of computer equipment (especially anything unusual), people
> can call the
"We may not actually accept anything that we don't know what to do
with, since it's expensive to make things into bicycle spokes."
> store directly. People who bring in old computer equipment to
> Staples during
> this event can receive a $100 savings on a new computer with an Intel
> Pentium 4 processor, or $20 off a purchase of $100 or more
> for other Staples
> products purchased during those two days.
"... but buy some normal off-the-shelf stuff, please!"
Chris
Christopher Smith, Perl Developer
Amdocs - Champaign, IL
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'
Hi,
so I just came home from BSDcon 2002 (was nice to see all the
old names as life people with noses in their faces.) Anyway
I just came home and there my new KFQSA card I got on eBay was
in the mail. So, now I can finally use some of my DSSI disks
that I bought for the time I'd get a KFMSA, now I get to use
the in my uVAX instead of having to bother with formatting that
MFM disk :-).
I don't know much about DSSI however and I'm not sure I have
all the pieces I need. I have a KFQSA, a 50-60 pin cable,
round and two connectors each side, then a bus cable, same
number of pins to be connected to that round cable and 3
connectors, apparently for three drives. Good. But at the
end of that cable is a male connector with about half as
many pins. What is that for, please don't say it's a terminator,
where the heck would I get such a terminator from? Could I
just connect the round cable directly to one DSSI drive without
that bus cable, such that I would not need that terminator?
Then there are some DIP switches on the card, what are they
for?
And of course the drives have front panels and I have three
drives and just one front panel. How essential is that front
panel?
Has anyone ever installed DSSI in a uVAX-II with the small
cabinet? It's pretty tight in there. How about this: right
now there is that cable for the RQDX3 that goes into the
front part of the box and apparently is spliced there to
connect to the MFM drive and the RX33/50 (?) floppy drive.
What if I throw all this stuff out and use that flat cable
to route the KFQSA into the front and hook up the DSSI
drive where I have the MFM drive now and put in a TK50
where the RX50 is now. Anyone ever done that?
I must also say I really appreciate the VAXBI and XMI busses
with their zero-insertion force and their clean way of
connecting peripherals all to the backplane instead of
just anywhere in the front. The way these Q-BUS and UNIBUS cards
are jammed into their slots with all the cables squeezed
between those cards, and the cards all bent to make room for
the cables and connectors is not beautiful, if not frightening.
Isn't that terribly rough on the hardware?
regards
-Gunther
--
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Medical Information Scientist Regenstrief Institute for Health Care
Adjunct Assistant Professor Indiana University School of Medicine
tel:1(317)630-7960 http://aurora.regenstrief.org
I've finally got my StorageTek 2920 9-track drive talking to my Emulex
QT13 QBUS->PERTEC adaptor under VMS... It *appears* to read the tapes OK
(I have no VMS formatted tapes, so I'm just guessing here), but when I try
and INITIALIZE MUA0:, the drive spins the tape for a second and then gives
me a "CC7" on its display and "Mach Chk" flashes. VMS calls it a 'parity
error'. Anyone know what is going on with this thing?
Thanks.
-- Pat
>OTOH I still have several cases of new old stock I am selling off. So if
>you need an 840 or 844b 4.5v alkaline cmos battery, email me while I still
>have them. 1/$5, 3/$10, 10/$20, and case of 60 for $50, all plus shipping.
I wound up ordering some from MCM... so I am ok for now... thanks anyway.
-chris
<http://www.mythtech.net>
At 11:55 AM 2/17/02 -0500, Pat Finnegan wrote:
>After cleaning, same problem. Now, when I try to copy data off the tape
>using "COPY MUA0 NEWS.TAR", VMS gives me these errors:
>
>%COPY-E-READERR, error reading _MUA0:[].;
>-RMS-F-RER, file read error
>-SYSTEM-W-DATAOVER, data overrun
>%COPY-W-NOTCMPLT, _MUA0:[].; not completely copied
>
>when I use dump, like "DUMP MUA0 /OUT=NEWS.DMP", it works just perfectly
>fine, which leads me to believe it might be a VMS problem. Prior to now,
>I was able to copy straight from the foreign mounted volume OK, but now
>it's not working at all, even after I power-cycled the drive and the vax.
When you DUMP the tape, DUMP uses a large buffer. When you use COPY, you
get the default RMS buffer size, which is too small for the tape blocks.
Use
DUMP MUA0:/BLOCK=COUNT=1
to get the block size, then
MOUNT/FOREIGN/BLOCK=xxx MUA0:
to mount the tape with the right blocksize. COPY should then work.
-Rick
Hi,
DEC field service veterans will know this: what exactly is the
memory upgrade needed in the PDP11/03 console computer for the
VAX 11/780 that makes it suitable for the VAX 11/785? I want
to be able to search for such boards, so would need to know
which it would be. Appreciate if you have an Mxxxx-AB number
(e.g., M8044-DF ?)
Thank you so much!
-Gunther
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Medical Information Scientist Regenstrief Institute for Health Care
Adjunct Assistant Professor Indiana University School of Medicine
tel:1(317)630-7960 http://aurora.regenstrief.org
I suspect this is quite on topic.
I have acquired a 5 1/4" magneto optical disk drive that is
equivalent to a Sony SMO S501. The label says it was put
together by DYNATEK Automation Systems. I suspect that
the two internals are a C501/D501 from Sony in any case
with just the external box and power supply being from Dynatek.
SW1 is an unusual rotary switch which is used to select the
SCSI ID - I have tested that and confirmed that it works.
The drive works quite well as the last drive in the daisy
chain, so I presume that a terminator and terminator power
are part of the selectable equipment. Of course, the drive
works very well as the only drive on the host adapter.
My question concerns SW2 which is an 8 position dip switch.
On the Sony drive, there is ONLY an 8 position dip switch
with 3 positions being used for SCSI ID. Might anyone
have some documentation on which parts of the dip switch
on the Dynatek drive are used and for what?
> At least that's what it was last week when I went into my local RS to
>check on a 3v lithium battery for my NeXT cube.
You mean they didn't stock it?
I had a good laugh the other day when I went in to find a standard PC
CMOS battery (the little blocks used in practically every PC thru
486's)... and it was a special order part... but two out of the 3 Mac
battery styles (large AAish and small 1/2 AA) were standard stock and had
pleanty on the racks.
I suppose at least it is nice that ONE store doesn't think the Mac is an
inferior product, not worthy of carrying parts for it (they also have a
nice supply of ADB cables... only they call them S-Video :-) )
-chris
<http://www.mythtech.net>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Chris Wren [mailto:jcwren@jcwren.com]
> A) Isn't the problem that *everything* is considered classic
> by this group?
That's a problem? Seriously, though, you'd likely get agreement from
most of the group that there are a lot of Macs and peesees that
certainly aren't classic, despite their on-topicness. :)
The trouble is that we could never agree on _which_ ones... well,
maybe we could agree that anything made by (the new) packard bell
probably isn't. I don't know if there are any packard bell fans
here, but most people I've spoken to about it specifically think
the new company's never made anything good.
Regrads,
Chris
Christopher Smith, Perl Developer
Amdocs - Champaign, IL
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Hi,
First, to introduce myself, I am new to the list. My name is Torquil MacCorkle III, I live in Lexington, Virginia.
I have just now gotten into classic computers(namely, the RS/6000) thanks to my friend. I was wondering if anyone had a functional 3xx series RS/6000 which they would be willing to let go of for the cost of shipping?
Thanks
On February 16, Tom Uban wrote:
> What experience have people had with computer equipment being stored
> in a unheated environment for 10-20 years, where the temperature runs
> from -10 to 100 degrees at the extremes of the seasons? Does this
> tend to kill ICs, caps, etc?
I've had some problems with uneven thermal expansion and contraction
cracking old PCB traces and solder joints. Not too badly, though.
-Dave
--
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St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf
>There are 2 versions of the disk ROM according to the docs I have. The
>older one had a tape cartidge that went along with it which included
>routines to format the disk, put the system programs on the disk and so
>on. The later ROM doesn't need the tape. They have different HP model
>numbers, but I don't have the manual to hand to look them up
OH... I see... :-(
I've probably got the older ROMS as well.
Thanks for the info.
Steverob
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From: Sellam Ismail <foo(a)siconic.com>
> If people are still using MS Outlook inspire of all the viruses and crap
> that have plagued that pathetic piece of shit in the past few years then
> they not only deserve whatever damage gets done to their system via such
> vehicles but they shouldn't be allowed to use e-mail at all since they
> only end up contributing to the greater problem by running it!
Thankfully, most people accept the hypocracy of not saying something so
juvinile about sendmail.
Ken
From: Joe <rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com>>
>Didn't some of the NEC or some other japanese brand laptop use bubble
>memory? I wonder if it's for one of those?
There have certainly been laptops that use bubble memory (Grid being the
canonical example), but this device is much too big to be for a laptop.
Interestingly, it seems the caridges have been used in an Anritsu
oscilliscope (the 620J?).
Ken
Hello all,
Today I was given a Digital LN03R ScriptWriter. This is a serial,
postscript printer. It started life as an LN03, and received the "R"
upgrade on 12/8/87. It is serial number 007 (NOT a typo), and I have been
told it may have been originally a prototype for the LN03 series.
Surprisingly, Windows 98 (and 2K) have a driver for it, and when I hooked it
up, the test page printed beautifully! The power-on page reports it is
version 47.2, as well as listing the fonts installed, and the setup.
What I need to know is:
1) Does anyone have docs for this printer that I could borrow long enough to
make copies of? At a minimum, I'd like the settings for the DIP switches on
the rear of the unit. It's set up now for 9600 baud, and that's a bit slow.
I'm hoping it can go faster...
2) Does anyone know where I can get toner, drums, and other consumables for
this printer??
3) Obviously DEC software would support this printer, but does anyone know
of any MS-DOS, or maybe even CP/M programs that would support this printer?
Thanks!
Rich B.
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Hi guys - thanks for that story - in fact I am reading from Artifacts and
discussing technology at the library in Intercourse, Lancaster County, on
April 15th - I am fascinated by Amish technology...
all best, Christine
>From: Sellam Ismail
>To:
>CC:
>Subject: Re: Programmeren van de 6502
>Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 07:15:01 +0000 (UTC)
>
>On Sat, 16 Feb 2002, Carlos Murillo wrote:
>
> > >Where else do they speak Dutch besides some rural parts of
Pennsylvania
> > >where they generally shun technology? :)
> >
> > The "Pennsylvania dutch" are actually german, for all I know.
> > Seems that like a case of one person saying "deutsche" and
> > another hearing "dutch". At least that's the explanation
>
>Wow, I'm doubly ignorant. You are, of course, correct :)
>
> > that I heard from a native. This native was born in a farm,
> > then went to Drexel university, and now he's a phd and a top
> > programmer of web applications for research purposes. So
> > not all "Pennsylvania dutch" are technology averse. His
> > dad, still a farmer, uses a Mac. So they even have taste
> > in technology.
>
>That would probably make a terrific story for Christine Finn. Would you
>mind passing along his contact information in private e-mail?
>
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I have been lucky enough to pick up some new bubble memory gear, and now I'm
trying to figure out what I have. Any hints appreciated.
Apparently, this is a FBM-U502GU-J Fujitsu bubble memory cartridge system.
The drive is roughly 3"w x 2.5"h x 7"d, and consists of a 3-board sandwitch.
It uses FBM-C128GA bubble memory cartridges. Interestingly, many of the
cartridges that I got have "Amdahl" stickers on them.
Anyone seen this sort of thing before?
Ken
>> Apple PC 5.25 Drive (DC-37) - was this for connecting to a PC or a special
>> card in the Mac?
>
>I think the latter, to allow a Mac to read/write PC disks. I have an
>Apple book on designing add-on cards for the Mac, and one of the design
>examples is the PC-compatible disk controller. It uses a 765 chip in the
>obvious way.
>
>I am not sure if that card was ever a commerical product, but something
>similar might have been,
>
>I think the drive is just a standard PC disk drive in an Apple case.
The drive came in two flavors. In both cases, the drive was the same, the
change was the controller card. One version came with an SE PDS
controller card, the other came with a NuBus controller card.
In either case, the card works ONLY with either the SE (800k or FDHD), or
the Mac II, no other NuBus Macs.
You need the card to control the floppy drive, but I believe you are
correct, it is just a standard PC drive in an Apple case.
I have one with the SE card.
There were also 3rd party PC drives that hooked up to the standard Disk
Drive port on all the early macs, but I don't think Apple ever made one
like that.
-chris
<http://www.mythtech.net>
> Apple PC 5.25 Drive (DC-37) - was this for connecting to a PC or a special
> card in the Mac?
It connects to a Nubus card with a 765-style floppy disc controller
There is mention of it in the original Mac cards and drivers book.
>From memory, the card doesn't support super-slot address space decoding.
I used to and I'm sure Tony D does but I doubt that he'd use E-OverPay.
I went ahead and put a moderate bid on the stuff but most of the other
stuff is ballast as far as I'm concerned. Does anyone know what the "node
locator" is for?
Thanks for the notice.
Joe
At 01:27 AM 2/16/02 -0600, you wrote:
>
>#1705353697
>
>Who was it here who collects these?
>
>-Toth
>
>
> I'm looking for any information I can find on the Ciprico Rimfire 3200 VME
> SMD controller, and ideally drivers for it to run under SunOS 4.1
I should have this in storage. I'll try to pull it out in the next
week or so.
I have a HP 9825B, 9885 floppy disk drive, and ROM cart for that specific
disk. I can run the system and it tries to talk to the disks but gives an
error when accessing the drive. It seems like the computer doesn't have all
the disk routines that it needs to talk to the floppy.
Are all the disk routines included on the one ROM or do I need another ROM
with those routines?
Thanks, SteveRob
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>The car that can't pass emissions is like the computer that won't run. It's
>of no real use, except maybe for parts.
Um... WRONG... the $4,000 Toyota just needs a new cat ($100 in parts and
$80 in labor). The guy just felt like buying a new car. But since he
donated it to us with the understanding it would be cut up, we can't sell
it (like we would have liked, since we would have done the labor ourself,
and used the money we got by selling the car for 4 grand to buy a new
scott pack). Its about the same as throwing out a computer saying it is
good only for parts, because the OS install has become corrupted.
>(have you tried to salvage parts
>from
>a computer lately?)
I do it weekly, when I pick up PCs sitting in curbside garbage. I built
my home PC out of 90% salvaged parts. I have also upgraded most of the
computers at my office entirely out of garbaged PCs. Some are mix and
match, but many are picked up and need nothing more than a shot of 409 to
clean the case as they work perfectly. I get a working 14 inch SVGA
monitor
weekly at this point. Heck... I have a Mac LC5200 sitting on the floor
next to me that I just grabbed out of the garbage on my drive home
Sunday... works fine... its heading to one of my office sites to upgrade
an older 68k Mac.
>there are lots of perfectly useable
>PC's (you know, the ones with 640KB of RAM and no HDD) out there. They still
>do everything a PC ever did, and a lot more than the mainframes of 1960 did.
>What should we do with them? Once people don't want them any longer, whether
>they're still functional is entirely moot.
But there ARE people out there that still want them... they just aren't
being given the option to have them... they are being scrapped without
anyone checking.
>If someone's interested in 'em,
>well, that's why there's this list.
Sure, great, ok, contact the group taking all the computers from Staples,
and get them to agree to list all the computers they don't feel like
keeping (what was it 90% of them are being junked?) and have them offer
them up to others... either on this list, or a web site, or whatever. Bet
they will tell you to bugger off, they can't be bothered... they are
going to pick thru for the few they want, and the rest will become scrap
metal. That is unfortunately true for most organizations (the local
salvation army store told me they stopped taking computer donations
because of return problems... when I pressed them on the topic wondering
how they tell someone they can't donate an item... they told me that they
actually still take them, they just toss them in the dumpster to avoid
the heartaches of selling them... needless to say, I have been trying to
keep an eye on the dumpster)
So you are STILL wrong... a huge number of perfectly good... and WANTED
machines, get scrapped all the time. I could continue to give you
examples if you want... like the pharmaceutical company up the road that
is tossing working Pentium II PCs and 17 inch monitors, because they are
upgrading to P4's and flat screens. The PCs are being junked under
contract to have them destroyed because the hard drives may contain
sensitive info, and they didn't want to take the time to remove them, or
securely wipe them (a friend works at the site, I had him look into it).
Should I give you MORE examples of machines being scrapped that are
wanted, or useful, or interesting?
-chris
<http://www.mythtech.net>
If someone on the east coast is interested, the company that I bought the
TDC microfilm scanner from contacted me that they have another one that
they'd be willing to sell for $500. It would be a non-trival effort to
get working, but it would be a good place to start if someone was thinking
about building an auto-indexing device from scratch.
Phyllis Miller
(703)550-1994
Diversified Equipment Co., Inc.
7213 Lockport Place
Lorton, VA 22079
> On Sat, 16 Feb 2002, William S. wrote:
>
> > Although I am in the Netherlands I am not a native
> > speaker. I will begin my Dutch language course in
> > April but doubt I will be reading Nederlands
> > very proficiently too soon. :)
>
> Where else do they speak Dutch besides some rural parts of Pennsylvania
> where they generally shun technology? :)
FYI- Dutch as in Pennsylvania Dutch is Deutsch ie German
not Hollandische...
-dq
Please allow me to second this emotion. I'm originally from York, PA --
about as Pennsylvania Dutch as anyplace. While I intensely disliked it
growing up -- 'technological backwater' would be wrong. Backwater would be
right. Don't think of it as picturesque farms with no electric. Think of it
as aging trailer parks with abuntdant rent-to-own electronics, and plaques
above the toilets reading 'If you sprinkle when you tinkle, be sweetie --
wipe the seatie'. It the sort of place where the peeling paint from
bent-over farm-girl lawn ornaments blend nicely with the recycled tire
flowerbeds and crab grass.
I don't know about taste, but the Pennsylvania Dutch are as technologically
adept as poor white trash anywhere in America.
Colin Eby
(escapee living on the Massachussets coast)
At 01:01 AM 2/16/02 +0000, you wrote:
>On Sat, 16 Feb 2002, William S. wrote:
>
>> Although I am in the Netherlands I am not a native
>> speaker. I will begin my Dutch language course in
>> April but doubt I will be reading Nederlands
>> very proficiently too soon. :)
>
>Where else do they speak Dutch besides some rural parts of Pennsylvania
>where they generally shun technology? :)
The "Pennsylvania dutch" are actually german, for all I know.
Seems that like a case of one person saying "deutsche" and
another hearing "dutch". At least that's the explanation
that I heard from a native. This native was born in a farm,
then went to Drexel university, and now he's a phd and a top
programmer of web applications for research purposes. So
not all "Pennsylvania dutch" are technology averse. His
dad, still a farmer, uses a Mac. So they even have taste
in technology.
carlos.
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In a message dated 2/15/02 7:08:57 PM Pacific Standard Time, ken(a)seefried.com
writes:
> The drive is roughly 3"w x 2.5"h x 7"d, and consists of a 3-board sandwitch.
>
> It uses FBM-C128GA bubble memory cartridges. Interestingly, many of the
> cartridges that I got have "Amdahl" stickers on them.
>
We got in several 100 units that had a drive installed that sounds similar to
this. They were remote power monitoring stations, kind of like an electric
meter but with a bubble memory drive with a bubble memory cart plugged into
it. We got lots of carts, too. This was about 10 years ago. They came from
the State of Washington IIRC.
I was surprised to see them. Before that the only bubble stuff we had seen
came from Intel. IIRC they were of Japanese mfg., I don't remember if they
were Fujitsu but it is possible. They used a removable 128K memory module,
about 3/4X1X2 inches in size that plugs in and out of a socket on the drive.
They were remote power loggers. Someone showed up, pulled the bubble cart,
replaced it with another and took the just pulled one down to the office and
read it.
Paxton
Astoria, OR
OK, now that I have a bunch of 9-track tapes, how do I dump a copy of the
tape to a file? I've found "mount /foreign mua0:" and "dump /out=bleh
mua0:", but I'd rather have a binary copy of the tape end up in a file.
I've seen the MKD program, but that requires a library that I don't seem
to have:
-CLI-E-AMAGEFNF, image file not found
DUA0:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.][SYSLIB]CMA$TIS_SHR.EXE;
Any suggestions?
-- Pat
Well, as Murphy would have it I just threw out a thick folder of Protec
docs & literature. But, if it's the same Protec in Quebec who did indeed
make Z80 SBCs in the old days before they specialized in KVMs, they're
still very much alive; why not try a phone call or e-mail.
www.protec.ca
Protec Microsystems Inc.
297, Labrosse, Pointe-Claire, Quebec H9R 1A3, CANADA
Tel.: (514) 630-5832
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From: "Robert Collier" <rdcoll(a)hotmail.com>
Subject: Protec PRO-83 Computer - More Info
Hello all,
I did a little more reading and found out that the model number for the
computer was PMS 100. I could still use any information anyone might have -
and hopefully, the model number might help. The machine is the Protec PRO-83
z80 Single Board Computer. Thanks.
Howdy.
I'm looking for any information I can find on the Ciprico Rimfire 3200 VME
SMD controller, and ideally drivers for it to run under SunOS 4.1.
Actually, I know what it is so perhaps I should amend my request for
"configuration information" in preference to "information". (;
ok
r.
On February 16, Tothwolf wrote:
> #1705353697
>
> Who was it here who collects these?
Lots of us, myself included. :-)
-Dave
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St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf
You may find that interfacing to X-10 is a little
easier today than it was then, with friendlier stuff
>from X-10 and also Micromint's PLIX chip/kit (the same
folks who brought us the elsewhere-mentioned 80C52-BASIC).
http://www.micromint.com/chips.htm
mike
-----------Original Message----------
From: Chris <mythtech(a)Mac.com>
Subject: RE: A *real* classic
<snip>
Some day I will get an old interface and hook my X10
system up to a Mac Plus or SE or so that I have kicking around.
> From: Sellam Ismail <foo(a)siconic.com>
> If people are still using MS Outlook inspire of all the viruses and crap
> that have plagued that pathetic piece of shit in the past few years then
> they not only deserve whatever damage gets done to their system via such
> vehicles but they shouldn't be allowed to use e-mail at all since they
> only end up contributing to the greater problem by running it!
I'm using (please don't puke, at least not in my direction) MS Mail & News,
simply because it's *there* and I've never heard of any Outlook-like holes
in it. Has anyone out there ever heard of any major vulnerabilities in
this program?
Glen
0/0
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Doc [mailto:doc@mdrconsult.com]
> What's happening more and more, though, is a long pseudotechnical
> mis-explanation of the part's function. I was looking at digital
I love those. :) See my previous comment about the composite video
input.
> cameras last year, and asked the salesperson at the camera
> counter what
> 3.2 megapixels translates to in terms of resolution and color
> depth. He
I always assumed megapixel was referring to the number of pixels at
a fixed color depth (probably 24-bit)... I'm certain that it's just
a manufactured slang term to make digital cameras sound more impressive
and annoy people who know what they're talking about.
Chances are that we're either talking about 1024 * 1024 pixels, or 1000
* 1000 pixels, in which case 3.2 megapixels gives one a resolution of
something like:
3355443.2 (?) pixels -- that's using 1024, so it's probably incorrect :)
(The .2 of a pixel makes me wonder)
3200000 (Sounds better to me, so it's based on 1000s)
A square picture of 1789 * 1789 would be slightly larger than this. You
can probably assume some kind of a rectangular aspect ratio, though. I
would guess that a normal camera is something around 1.5 (wide) to 1,
but I don't really feel like calculating that. ;)
> explained to me at length that megapixels was a measure of "how many
> pictures you can take on one smartcard"
> Not being busy that day, and being unduly irritated by his
> condescension, I made him repeat himself in front of the
> store manager.
> I don't know if the manager cared at all, but it made _me_ feel much
> better.
Chris
Christopher Smith, Perl Developer
Amdocs - Champaign, IL
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print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n");
'
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Richard Erlacher [mailto:edick@idcomm.com]
> IOMEGA again. I've still got about 500 lbs of useless IOMEGA
> hardware in the
> basement ...
Speaking of iomega hardware in the basement... :)
I have a 1/4 length 8-bit ISA board that looks like a SCSI
controller, and is stamped with the iomega logo. Anyone know
what it might be, or where to get drivers?
I can try to get the numbers from it over the weekend, but all this
talk of iomega stuff has made me curious as to what it may be...
Chris
Christopher Smith, Perl Developer
Amdocs - Champaign, IL
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'
> Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 17:59:40 -0500 (EST)
> From: "r. 'bear' stricklin" <red(a)bears.org>
> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
> Subject: Re: Drive inventory
>
> On Fri, 15 Feb 2002, Carl Lowenstein wrote:
>
> > The only Data/DAT drives I ever used (Gigatrend) were hardly ever
> > compatible from one drive to another. In fact they were seldom compatible
> > on the same drive from month to month.
>
> FWIW I have one of those drives. The mechanism was manufactured by JVC,
> and I have not had much luck with it. I recall it being extremely
> persnickety about errors on tapes, and even when I managed to get a whole
> backup onto a tape without the drive going into fits, I was never able to
> read that tape back to verify the data.
Yes. I have a box of unreadable backup tapes and data tapes that someone
else made while under the impression that the Gigatrend was really a
working tape drive. :-(
> OTOH if the tapes had to be formatted before use and were block
> addressable, that might tend to explain why I had such terrible luck using
> that drive as a normal tape device under unix. What was the prescribed
> method for using a tape in this drive?
Scrabbling around in the back room, he finds the Gigatrend 1230 Operators
Manual. From Appendix B:
Press ONLINE to go offline
Press TEST to get to menu -- you want level 1.
Press SETUP to increment displayed digit
Press ONLINE to enter that level
In level 1 you want function 1
Cycle through digits with SETUP
Press ONLINE to select format function using default values.
Lights will blink "FFFF"
Insert tape and press ONLINE to activate format operation.
Simple, isn't it. I think I got it all correctly summarized from the manual.
If you want a copy of Appendix B TEST PROCEDURES it is only 8 pages.
Send me a postal address.
carl
--
carl lowenstein marine physical lab u.c. san diego
clowenstein(a)ucsd.edu
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) [mailto:cisin@xenosoft.com]
> How can you possibly squeeze the system into a DeLorean?
> There isn't even
> enough room for a REAL computer!
Well, provided you could fill some of it up with boards and disks,
in such a way that it would function as a computer, the DeLorian
itself may be considered a REAL computer, since it has wheels, and
a sufficiently large case.
Chris
Christopher Smith, Perl Developer
Amdocs - Champaign, IL
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'
> But overall, why not just buy a real $4,000 fiche scanner
The pro imaging market is very pricey and proprietary. 4K
won't buy you much more than a microfiche reader with a
scanner back. Something that can do auto-indexing is closer
to 20K.
I have a mid-80's indexing fiche scanner that I've not been
able to get any info on, and a 3M 7710 with SCSI interface
that I've been trying to find software for about 6 months.
Most of the companies have either been bought by a pretty
non helpful company that I've been unable to get any info
from, or have gone out of business.
> Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 12:34:53 -0600
> From: Dan Wright <dtwright(a)uiuc.edu>
> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
> Subject: Re: Drive inventory
> In-Reply-To: <3B55D7F383B0D31197D9009027541CBF1A1A3952(a)cmiexch1.cmi.itds.com>
> Sender: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
> Reply-To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
>
> Christopher Smith said:
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Clint Wolff (VAX collector) [mailto:vaxman@earthlink.net]
> >
> > > DAT is the same as DDS except for the identification holes on the
> > > case, and I would assume a royalty to the recording industry...
> > > My Maynard/Archive/Seagate drive won't take DAT tapes. Irritating
> > > because I wanted to write music to them at the time.
> >
> > Well, if you mean that you wanted to write it in standard DAT format,
> > very few drives will handle that... most, though (every one I've
> > used, at least), will write DDS data to a normal DAT.
>
> SGI is one company that makes sure the DAT/DDS drives they sell do audio DAT
> too... I know that you can read/write audio tapes on an SGI you get if you
> buy the tape drive from them, and possibly using a drive from another
> manufacturer too. I imagine they do this since their machines are often used
> in high-end multimedia type things...sill, kind of a cool capability and all
> :)
Two comments. Nearly all current DDS cartridges have an optically-sensed
pattern at the beginning of the tape itself. This is termed MRS or
Media Recognitions System. A DDS drive is usually configured by switch
setting to treat tapes without the MRS stripes as read-only. DAT
tapes sold for audio purposes don't have MRS.
Back in the early days of DAT, there was a second competing tape format
besides DDS, it was called Data/DAT. This required pre-formatting of
the tape cartridges before use, and had the advantage that the tapes
were block-addressable and block-replaceable, like a disk drive.
The only Data/DAT drives I ever used (Gigatrend) were hardly ever
compatible from one drive to another. In fact they were seldom compatible
on the same drive from month to month.
carl
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Damn! If I could've, I'd skip right out of work for that puppy. But
New Haven, CT is a little far...
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> ----------
> From: Feldman, Robert
>
> Well, Harold Washington College is at it again this morning. However, I
> have
> saved something that someone here might want: a Digital Prioris HX 5100
> MP/2. Don't know much about it, and it looks to be less than 10 years old,
> but it is DEC. Appears to be clean and complete, except it is missing the
> left side panel. Has four FR-PCWVR-AZ 4.0GB drives. Free for pickup _only_
> in the Chicago Loop (35 E. Wacker). Email me at
> robert_feldman(at)jdedwards.com if you want it.
>
> Bob
>
>
Found the following while unpacking in the warehouse:
1. Commodore 1700 Ram expansion unit - not tested yet
2. Heathkit H8 missing 3 keys - not tested yet
3. Pet CBM 2001-32B - tested not powering on will need repair.
4. Heathkit H9 - not tested yet
5. Atari Lynx models I and II - both tested fine from the trip.
6. Radio Shack m100 - tested last night and works fine
7. Found a cartridge for the TI99 called Ant Eater 8K - not tested yet
8. Unpacked the black metal Kenworth Playstation tractor trailer - looks
good on display with the other ad items. Now if I can just get some of
those old oval display signs.
9. Tested the six Vectrex cartridges I found at the shop and they all
work fine on the console.
Took some other goodies home to play with like the 20th Annv. MAC, SEGA
Nomad, and others.
Hello all,
I did a little more reading and found out that the model number for the
computer was PMS 100. I could still use any information anyone might have -
and hopefully, the model number might help. The machine is the Protec PRO-83
z80 Single Board Computer. Thanks.
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In a message dated 2/15/02 7:33:31 AM Pacific Standard Time,
tony.eros(a)machm.org writes:
> I like the resolution, but need to find a way to expand the field of
> view. I'm sure I can rig up a scanning frame, but don't want to have to
> stitch multiple captures per frame. If I can get this to work, it would be
>
> a very affordable way to do high-quality fiche scans.
>
I think you have a good idea Tony, nice experiment with the QX3. I wish I had
one.
>From looking at the images It appears to me that it is a Fiche that should be
read at 24X.
You might try photographic close up lenses with the 10X magnification. I
suspect distortion from getting too close would be a problem but worth trying
If you had one, a simple concave lens in front of the 60X might be worth a
try.
Is there a published optical path plan for the microscope? If so one might be
able to figure out correction optics.
Good luck and keep us informed.
Paxton
Astoria, OR
> From: Don Maslin <donm(a)cts.com>
> John, both the Scanjet and the Scanjet Plus used a HP proprietary
> interface. The card for the Plus is reputed to work for both the
> original and the Plus. The reverse is not true. In both cases,
> however, it is definitely NOT parallel port.
I bought one of these used (MIB!) for $200 in 1994, for use in my engraving
shop. The card was 8-bit ISA and appeared to be some sort of half-baked
SCSI. It was easy to configure if you happened to possess a working
crystal ball ;>) The card-end of the cable was DB25, and the scanner-end
was "Centronics" (you know what I mean by this term).
The software included a runtime version of Win 3.0, which promptly crashed
when run on our DOS-based 386/20. After installing the full version of Win
3.0 on this peecee, the software ran perfectly. When we upgraded to Win
3.1 (I don't remember the reason for the "upgrade"), the software generated
an avalanche of error messages, then ran without error. As a side note,
AFAIR the ScanJet was the only reason I installed Windows on this machine,
which was used primarily to control engraving tables. All of the other
applications were DOS-based, running under DesqView.
All in all, the ScanJet was a nice piece of equipment for its time. I
think I still have the software for it, in case anybody needs it.
Glen
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dan Wright [mailto:dtwright@uiuc.edu]
> SGI is one company that makes sure the DAT/DDS drives they
> sell do audio DAT
> too... I know that you can read/write audio tapes on an SGI
> you get if you
> buy the tape drive from them, and possibly using a drive from another
> manufacturer too. I imagine they do this since their
> machines are often used
> in high-end multimedia type things...sill, kind of a cool
> capability and all
> :)
It's for exactly that reason that I went out of the way to get
an original SGI DAT drive for my Indigo2.
Chris
Christopher Smith, Perl Developer
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Clint Wolff (VAX collector) [mailto:vaxman@earthlink.net]
> DAT is the same as DDS except for the identification holes on the
> case, and I would assume a royalty to the recording industry...
> My Maynard/Archive/Seagate drive won't take DAT tapes. Irritating
> because I wanted to write music to them at the time.
Well, if you mean that you wanted to write it in standard DAT format,
very few drives will handle that... most, though (every one I've
used, at least), will write DDS data to a normal DAT.
Chris
Christopher Smith, Perl Developer
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Peter C. Wallace [mailto:pcw@mesanet.com]
> Actually the resolution is really about 1/3 the stated
> "Megapixel
> resolution", especially if you take pictures of things with
> high spatial
> frequency (say fine pitch IC leads) This is because the
> stated resolution
> neglects to mention that the three color pixels in a group
> are counted as
> individual pixels -- basically a X resolution B/W sensor
> behind a color filter
> array is called a X resolution color sensor, but it really isn't...
> filtering after the fact attempts to fix the artifacts,
> but makes a
> mess out of high spatial frequency images that would have
> been ok if the
> camera really had the stated resolution....
I see -- well, divide the numbers in thirds, then. :) Unless you're
lucky enough to find a camera that has a high-res b&w mode -- that
would be nice.
Chris
Christopher Smith, Perl Developer
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A little different in Clarksville; back in the 70s, they
lowered the speed on the main drag from 45 to 35. The
reason stated (in a newspaper article) by one town board
member was "to get the people driving 55 to slow down to
45". So the *real* speed limits in Clarksville are 10MPH
over what's posted.
That contention hasn't seen a court test, yet, tho...
;)
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Russ Blakeman [mailto:rhb57@vol.com]
> Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 10:16 AM
> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
> Subject: RE: STAPLES STORES WILL TAKE OLD COMPUTERS
>
>
> Same here - in town 35 mph limit = drive 33. On the parkways
> and interstates
> 65 mph = 75 (or get run over).
>
> => -----Original Message-----
> => From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
> => [mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Kris Kirby
> => Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 1:29 AM
> => To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
> => Subject: RE: STAPLES STORES WILL TAKE OLD COMPUTERS
> =>
> =>
> => On Thu, 14 Feb 2002, Russ Blakeman wrote:
> => > I live out in the boonies of KY and within 25 miles there are
> => 2, 50 mile
> => > range there are 2 to 3 per city. (25 miles here is like 10
> => blocks in the
> => > city).
> =>
> => Around here, the problem is remembering to switch from
> "country driving"
> => to "city driving". "Country driving" is usually done at
> speeds of up to
> => 70MPH -- low rate of enforcement. But the city cops are
> sticklers. They'd
> => rather ticket than fix the traffic problem.
> =>
> => --
> => Kris Kirby, KE4AHR | TGIFreeBSD... 'Nuff said.
> => <kris(a)nospam.catonic.net> | IM: KrisBSD | HSV, AL.
> => -------------------------------------------------------
> => "Fate, it seems, is not without a sense of irony."
> =>
> =>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) [mailto:cisin@xenosoft.com]
> When a microphone is labelled as being "directional", the angle of
> directionality, or the shape of it's response curve is hardly
> a "annoy the
> sales droid". It is approximately the same order of
> necessity as asking
> what is the capacity of a hard disk. Would YOU buy a hard
> disk without
> knowing the size?
I certainly would -- in the case where, for instance, I knew that
the interface was SDI, I was in need of an SDI disk to test
a system out, and it was only a couple dollars anyway. :)
But I'm just being argumentative. I do agree completely with the
point you're trying to make.
Chris
Christopher Smith, Perl Developer
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk [mailto:ard@p850ug1.demon.co.uk]
> The tape drives were designed to work on the same cable as _2_ floppy
> drives. So they're selected by doing things that won't have
> any effect on
> the floppy drives. Typically they look for transitions on a
> particular
> line when both drive select lines are deasseted. Neither floppy drive
> will notice that (they're not selected), but the tape drive does.
This is exactly the explanation I was looking for yesterday. :)
Thanks Tony.
Chris
Christopher Smith, Perl Developer
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>From a quick googling it looks like this is a dual-capable Pentium server.
http://www4.service.digital.com/support_database/index/epid61.htm
Not the exact server but Compaq is currently selling something called a
"Digital Server 5100" that looks to be slightly upgraded in terms of
processor, memory, etc.
If revived it might make a pretty good workhorse. Redundant power supplies
and all.
-carl
"Feldman, Robert"
<Robert_Feldman@jdedw To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
ards.com> cc:
Sent by: Subject: Dumpster in the alley, Part II
owner-classiccmp@clas
siccmp.org
02/15/02 08:09 AM
Please respond to
classiccmp
Well, Harold Washington College is at it again this morning. However, I
have
saved something that someone here might want: a Digital Prioris HX 5100
MP/2. Don't know much about it, and it looks to be less than 10 years old,
but it is DEC. Appears to be clean and complete, except it is missing the
left side panel. Has four FR-PCWVR-AZ 4.0GB drives. Free for pickup _only_
in the Chicago Loop (35 E. Wacker). Email me at
robert_feldman(at)jdedwards.com if you want it.
Bob
Well, Harold Washington College is at it again this morning. However, I have
saved something that someone here might want: a Digital Prioris HX 5100
MP/2. Don't know much about it, and it looks to be less than 10 years old,
but it is DEC. Appears to be clean and complete, except it is missing the
left side panel. Has four FR-PCWVR-AZ 4.0GB drives. Free for pickup _only_
in the Chicago Loop (35 E. Wacker). Email me at
robert_feldman(at)jdedwards.com if you want it.
Bob
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert Schaefer [mailto:rschaefe@gcfn.org]
> told to me and emperical evidence agrees) that it is the only
> difference
> between the various grades (ie spec & hospital) of devices.
IIRC, hospital grade receptacles must exert more pressure to prevent
sparks, which would be a bad thing to have around oxygen tanks.
Chris
Christopher Smith, Perl Developer
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Hey, Doc - off list to save everyone's bandwidth... What do you think to an
RS/6000 E30? I'm going to have a look at one tomorrow for not_much_money. I
have 2 questions - is it MCA or PCI?
And is the memory proprietary - or just standardish stuff?
Thanks in anticipation of your wise word :)
//Rich
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) [mailto:cisin@xenosoft.com]
> Response to request for specs on a product: "It's really good."
A former Apple employee? :)
> Answer to "what is the angle of directionality?" of a directional
> microphone (Sony MC-100): "That means that it only picks up
> what you aim
> it at."
It's probably ok that they didn't know, but it's inexcusable for
them to be so terribly stupid.
It reminds me of an episode at Worst Buy here in town -- something
like this:
Him: What kind of TV are you looking for?
Me: Something smaller than 20". Otherwise it doesn't matter as
long as it has composite video in.
Him: Component video is still pretty expensive...
Me: (wondering why he's telling me this) _Composite_ video.
Him: You probably can't get it on a television that small, either.
Me: Um... that's fine, I just want normal composite in -- like this
(pointing to composite input on a tv)
Him: That's not component video in...
> They suck so much that I'd rather go to FRY'S!
No fry's around here. Most people are stuck with Staples -- on
the other hand, there are a couple of local shops that are ok for
most things.
Chris
Christopher Smith, Perl Developer
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For those who asked, I put up my A/UX install notes on
http://www.floodgap.com/retrotech/os/aux/
YMMV.
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Just found this in the closet, knew I had it somewhere...
June 2000 OpenVMS/VAX Online Documentation Library (2 CDs, papers, in
blue cardboard folder, for OVMS 7.2)
June 2000 OpenVMS/VAX Software Product Library (7.2)
OpenVMS VAX (tm) Software Product Library
Disc 1 of 9 - June 2000 - Volume Label VAXBINJUN001
Disc 2 of 9 - June 2000 - Volume Label VAXBINJUN002
Disc 3 of 9 - June 2000 - Volume Label VAXBINJUN003
Disc 4 of 9 - June 2000 - Volume Label VAXBINJUN004
Disc 5 of 9 - June 2000 - Volume Label VAXBINJUN005
Disc 6 of 9 - June 2000 - Volume Label VAXBINJUN006
Disc 7 of 9 - June 2000 - Volume Label VAXBINJUN007
Disc 8 of 9 - June 2000 - Volume Label VAXBINJUN008
Disc 9 of 9 - June 2000 - Volume Label VAXBINJUN009
"KEEP ME" Disc 1 of 2 - June 2000 - Volume Label VAXBINKEEP01
"KEEP ME" Disc 2 of 2 - June 2000 - Volume Label VAXBINKEEP02
Consolidated Software Promotional ECO Distribution
Disc 1 of 2 - June 2000 - VAXECOJUN001
Disc 2 of 2 - June 2000 - VAXECOJUN002
Compaq System Tools
Disc 1 of 1 - April 2000 - AG-RJV3C-RE
This is all original as it came from Compaq; I dont think I ever even
took the CDs out of their plastic sleeves. Will ship it in the same box
that Compaq shipped it in. I got it from Austin Energy here in town (the
electric company); they'd gotten it in after they retired all their VAXen.
Entire package order number is QA-YL48A-W8.
FS/FT/whatever; I just need to get it out of here and dont want to eBay it.
Bill
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Austin, TX
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
> [mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Lawrence LeMay
> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2002 1:11 PM
> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
> Subject: rk05 tester
>
>
> Is anyone here familiar with a RK05 tester? Any idea exactly
> what it is,
> and what it is capable of testing? I'm looking into possibly
> buying one.
>
> -Lawrence LeMay
>
I have one. I can take a look at what it does and who made it etc. There are
quite a few of them available from at least one source right now.
I picked up a range of various test equipment for PDP 11 related uses about
3 weeks ago.
If anyone is interested, I could make a list.
Dan Cohoe
Hey Mike --
Thanks for stopping by the shop. It was really good chatting with you
again (even if Joe and I tend to get involved in our usual gripe sessions
;>)
> From: Mike <dogas(a)bellsouth.net>
> First, I knew that Joe's CC reentry was being fueled by a *few* cool
Intel
> MDS-800 systems so I brought down an Intel MDS 235 for him (that was
> originally his to begin with) to add to his growing 'Intel Gravatational
> Field'
Yes, we junkies always encourage the return of "lost sheep" by giving them
a couple of free fixes ;>)
>
> Joe and I started early Friday and Saturday and I scored all this real
> cheap:
[list detailing tons of cool classic stuff snipped]
Nice work! Is there usually *this* much good stuff at hamfests? Not that
I've been to one lately (being a slave to the shop) but ones I've attended
in the past had little in the way of computer-related goodies.
> There were also several classiccmps not picked up because of high prices
> like:
>
> Several TRS-80 100 portables and one with the portable floppy and a
> Model 4
> SGI Indy
> Timex ZX81
Okay, was that a Timex Sinclair TS1000 or a Sinclair ZX81? What was the
condition and what else was included (manuals, box, ps)? And what was the
asking price?
Anyway, I'm glad you had fun in O-Town. Next time you're heading this way
drop me a line.
Glen
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> Now THIS is a classic:
> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2003117896
>
> Starts making me long my old Sphere I, and Outpost II.
I personally liked seeing the original BSR-X10 setup at the bottom of the
ad picture... I am still using some of my lamp modules from that era, and
am still using my base controller as well. Although I have the clock
model with timer, not the one that is pictured, that looks like it might
have been the original alarm base controller, which would fit with the
dialer, door sensor, and smoke detector also pictured.
What software is shown on the screen? Looks like some early X10 software
judging by the graphics of the lamps and TV. The first time I got to play
with a software interface was only a few years ago on the Mac (and since
I still lack a computer interface, all I got to do was look at what I
COULD be doing). Some day I will get an old interface and hook my X10
system up to a Mac Plus or SE or so that I have kicking around.
-chris
<http://www.mythtech.net>
>I've seen some extremely nice looking, rust-free, apparently
>well-maintained, older cars (e.g., late 1960's to late 1970's), with
>good interiors, new tires, etc. sitting in a junkyard with stickers
>from such charities on their windshields.
Always donate scrappable cars to your local fire department or heavy
rescue department so they can drill on them by cutting them up. Any self
respecting department will have gotten themselves listed as a charitable
organization so you will still get a tax write off.
And if you have a running car... give it to me! :-)
>It's my
>understanding that the titles to such cars are kept by the
>lame-brained cretins at those charities so that the classic cars can't
>be put back on the road.
Doesn't matter... once they hit the scrap yard, the existing title makes
no difference. The car can be recovered via a "scrap" title, and then
sold back out... it is just a messy, not easy ordeal... and 99% of junk
yards aren't going to go thru the heartache when they can just sell the
car in parts for more than the whole (and avoid ALL the paperwork)... or
they will just crush it and sell it as scrap metal... also probably for
more than selling the running car, and avoiding all the paper work.
At least that is the understanding I have from the guy that takes the
cars from my FD once we are done cutting them up. Maybe someone that
works as a scrapper can confirm or deny my understanding (of course, this
may very well also be a state by state kind of regulation).
-chris
<http://www.mythtech.net>
Today I picked up two 8" Shugart 851 floppy drives and two 8" hard
drives. I checked the hard drives (Quantum 2030s) and they use the SA 1000
interface. How similar is that to the interface for floppy drives? The
control cable for each hard drive also connected to one of the floppy
drives so they must share a good bit of the interface. Does anyone have a
pointer to a good on-line description of the SA 1000 interface?
Joe
On February 14, Robert Schaefer wrote:
> Hi! I'm looking for info on the SUN-3 floating point accelerators like the
> FPA, and FPA+. Programming info, header files, maybe even the libraries if
> they're avaliable.
Under SunOS4, and perhaps previous versions, there are FPA libraries
in /usr/lib. There are three separate math libraries if memory
serves...one for soft floating point, one for 6888[12] fp, and one for
use with the FPA. I don't remember what they're called, but if you
look at the files in /usr/lib it should be obvious.
Since those libraries are part of the standard SunOS distribution,
studying the SunOS source code should allow one to glean all the
programming info.
FPAs are neat. If I recall correctly they use Weitek WTL1164 and
WTL1165 chips. Very nice. :-)
> Also, before I pop in to motorols.com, does anyone have a quick little
> snippet of code to excersize a 68882? I just upgraded my SUN-3/280 to a
> '882, and I want to verify that everything's working right before I solder
> in some sockets and start playing with the clock.
Also under SunOS4, there's a program called "mc68881version" or
something very similar. That'll tell you what rev your 68881/68882
is, and I seem to remember it saying something about performance also,
but it's been a very long time since I last messed with this and I may
not be remembering that part correctly.
-Dave
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I just got done installing HP/UX 11i on my C110. I was using
1024x768 @60Hz for the monitor settings, but after I was done
installing I moved the box to my KVM switch and changed the
settings to 1280x1024 @75Hz. With that setting the display
blanks for a half second every few seconds. Is there a
reason for that?
Also, how can I tell which video card I have installed without
pulling the card?
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tony writes:
>One nasty that I've come across is that many 9 track QIC24 tape drives
>can do QIC11 as well. And they can do the 4 track QIC11. But you have a
>similar sort of problem to using 40 cylinder disks in 80 cylinder drives.
>Reading is fine, but don't try writing to an already-written tape.
Actually, it's even a bit funkier than that. I spent a lot of time
messing around with the tape drives that same with Sun-2's (QIC-11) and
Sun-3's (QIC-24). SunOS on a Sun-3 had two devices for each tape drive,
which determined whether it used QIC-11 or QIC-24, and for reading it was
smart enough to autodetect and use the correct format regardless of which
device you used.
So far so good.
I started out with Sun-3's, and for a while I didn't think there was
actually any difference between the two devices, since I could get
approximately the same capacity (~60M) on the tape using either one, whereas
QIC-11 is supposed to only be 20M. When I got into Sun-2's, I discovered
that there was a difference, and I had to use the correct device on a -3
when prepping a tape for use on a -2. In addition, I had to be very careful
not to overrun the 20M limit, because the drives in the -2's would only
read 20M, per the spec. As long as I wrote less than 20M, in QIC-11 format,
the tapes would work fine, but I had to enforce the 20M limit manually.
It took some investigation to discover that the QIC-11 standard was at
some point extended from four tracks to nine tracks, and obviously the
QIC-24 drives used in the -3's supported the extended standard. I wish
SunOS had included a third device to allow distinguishing between
four-track and nine-track QIC-11, but perhaps the drive or the drive/SCSI
bridge didn't provide the necessary pseudo-EOT notification.
--James B.