- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by acme_ent＠bellsouth.net

> From: Ben Franchuk <bfranchuk(a)jetnet.ab.ca> > I kind of thought the ZX81 was a VW Bug :) Some would say more like a Morris Minor. And BTW the Bug makes a lousy doorstop ;>) Glen 0/0

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DSQD Drives (Was: RE: Diags/Boot image for Altos 580)

by acme_ent＠bellsouth.net

> From: Joe <rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com> > Buy? Who said anything about buying??? I can get all the drives that I > want for next to nothing. If I do pay for a PC, it's only about $1 each. Joe, if you ever run out of sources (fat chance) I've got mountains of 5.25" drives you can have for five cents a pound. Hell, I've got over 20 of 'em here at home! >Most of the times that I use a 1.2M > drive to read/write other formats, it fails. Even when it doesn't fail the > copies don't hold up well. I could NEVER read my SB 180 disks (QD) in a 1.2 > Mb drive. In fact, I finally pulled the 1.2 Mb drive out of my main PC and > put a 360k drive back into it since the 5 1/4" drive was used almost > entirely for reading/writing old disks. Yup, I did the same thing on my main box, and getting rid of that 1.2MB drive has really simplified my life. Glen 0/0

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HP LJ 2 mobo -> Apple LW 2 NT

by mythtech＠mac.com

>crap this should have gone direct to Chris. Crap... and my reply should have gone straight to you. (I didn't even look that it was actually addressed to the group) Sorry again! -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Fwd: FS: oscope [Tektronics]

by doc＠mdrconsult.com

From: "Kaboozel" <kaboozel(a)localhost.com> Subject: FS: oscope Newsgroups: austin.forsale Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 02:54:16 GMT Tektronics 453. 50MHz with 1 good 10x probe. It's not pretty but it works perfectly. $100 obo. send email to ctilbury (at) austin (dot) rr (dot) com

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list changes & RFC on archives & rack chassis

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Ethan Dicks <erd_6502(a)yahoo.com> >I know that some people (very few) have technological impediments that >force them into HTML (Outlook, etc., I think). This is bunk! Outlook can and does post without html, it's easy to turn off. Please, NO HTML and No IMAGES. The latter was part of a few spams we got! Allison

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by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

> From: Dave McGuire > > On March 20, Ethan Dicks wrote: > > In theory, I support this, but if it's possible to filter them down > > to their textual content on the way through, that might be good, also. > > I know that some people (very few) have technological impediments that > > force them into HTML (Outlook, etc., I think). > > Nope. Even LookOut Express can be told not to HTMLize messages. Some > people use webmail services which spew huge amounts of HTML...but > quite frankly, there are plenty of such services that don't...and > anyone who chooses one that does should probably be suspended by their > toenails and pummeled into unconsciousness with an organically-grown > cucumber. > > In short...there is *no* excuse for sending HTML email other than > inexperience or stupidity. > > -Dave > > -- > Dave - what/where are the web mail services that don't send html mail? Or even a service I can telnet/ssh into for e-mail... I'm going to be switching to a new ISP for home (Comcast cable), so this is a good time to really start some SPAM prevention measures... --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 Mac OS X 10.1.2 - Darwin Kernel Version 5.2: Fri Dec 7 21:39:35 PST 2001 Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash

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Ultrix' /etc/crontab as a time-bomb [short joke].

by gunther＠aurora.regenstrief.org

Hihi, our little training in risk-assessment tonight is the following sippet of a crontab entry, scheduled to run dayly around midnight: (cd /usr/preserve ; find . -mtime +7 -a -exec rm -f {} \;) why is this a bad idea and what happened to me last night as I was playing with my VAX6460? Answer: the /usr/preserve was a symlink to /usr/var/preserve which didn't exist. What happened next? All files that were not accessed for more than 7 days were being deleted (and I basically installed this system 3 days ago but had fast forwarded my system time from 1976 to 2002 the day before. :-) -- Gunther Schadow, M.D., Ph.D. gschadow(a)regenstrief.org Medical Information Scientist Regenstrief Institute for Health Care Adjunct Assistant Professor Indiana University School of Medicine tel:1(317)630-7960 http://aurora.regenstrief.org

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Vintage hardware trivia quiz [funny]

by gunther＠aurora.regenstrief.org

Found this at http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/30/22794.html History Are you an old bastard? 7. >Clunka Clunka Clunka< is the sound you would most associate with: A. The Clothes Dryer B. A washing machine with an imbalanced load C. A flat tyre on your car D. A tape safe door shutting repeatedly on an annoying user's foot E. An imbalanced DEC RM05 Disk assembly moving around the computer room by itself during a head crash 8. You drop a screwdriver down a ventilation hole in the powersupply at the back of a VAX 11/780. You expect: A. A very careful removal process B. A powersupply failure C. A nasty >crack< noise D. Power outage to the computer room? E. Looting of the shops in the two adjacent streets after the local transformer trips out 9. The nine-track tape you're using is having problems reading some very important survey data for some critical research - only getting half-way through the tape before failing. You would: A. Clean the read heads, which probably are dirty B. Have the tape sent to a commercial data recovery centre C. A, then reduce the temperature of the computer room, and try to complete the read D. Report the failure to the user E. Just cut and repeatedly paste data from the beginning of the data file until the file's up to size 10. The greatest danger to the RA60 removable hard disk media was: A. Not being locked into the drive spindle tightly B. Not being able to be removed from the drive spindle after use C. Disk damage if the cover lock unlatched itself during use D. Dirty read heads E. A preventative maintenance by the Engineer 11. The correct combination of carefully timed disk seeks on the drives in an RA80 disk drive rack could cause: A. A 'Tune' to play B. A Small vibration C. A Large vibration D. A very large vibration E. The disk rack to run in 'horizontal' mode 12. A user has been looking through the sad remnants of their life and found a large box of several thousand punchcards of their undergraduate work, which they would like you to do something with. A good Administrator would: A. Call a Computer Museum and get them read B. Write a quick program to interface to a scanner and read them C. Give the user the Punch card hole code info so they could type them in D. Throw them in the bin and tell the user that they've been demagnetised E. Throw them at the user from a fourth-floor window Sorry, no answers, it says: -Key There is no key. There is never a key! You don't need one. Not if you're the real McCoy! Not if you can clockchip your car computer to get an extra two miles an hour out of the old Rustang before it drops it's driveshaft after the excess vibration. Not if you remember the heady days of a card punch machine that was so loud it had the pensioners down the road digging trenches and sorting out their meat rations. But we can take votes. -Gunther -- Gunther Schadow, M.D., Ph.D. gschadow(a)regenstrief.org Medical Information Scientist Regenstrief Institute for Health Care Adjunct Assistant Professor Indiana University School of Medicine tel:1(317)630-7960 http://aurora.regenstrief.org

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Cut me some slack (was Re: Spectrum makes a comeback)

by acme_ent＠bellsouth.net

I find it outrageous that Amstrad is trying to cash in on the Spectrum name, after they dumped the product line years ago. Did anyone check the fine print where it says that each game "expires" after a period of time, and in order to keep playing you must pay again? Piss on that! Here's a cheaper solution (and a better selection): go to World of Spectrum at http://www.void.jump.org/ and download an emulator. They're available for a lot of platforms including Unix, Amiga, and Win CE. (Warajevo is my personal favorite for Win9x). You now have *free* access to over 10,000 programs, which you can also download from WOS. If you happen to have a *real* Speccy (or a TS2068 with emulator cart) and a Win9x peecee, you can then download Taper, which you can use to transfer the programs to a cassette, or directly into the input of your Spec/2068. Anyone up for a run at Enduro Racer, Rainbow Islands, or Chuckie Egg? ;>) Glen 0/0 From: Sellam Ismail <foo(a)siconic.com> > On Fri, 8 Feb 2002, Gareth Knight wrote: > > > The Sinclair Spectrum is being relaunched by Amstrad as part of their email > > phone. > > http://www.amstrad.com/ams121101/emp_games.html > > That's too cool. I must have one. > > Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival

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386/BSD should be on TUHS.

by gunther＠aurora.regenstrief.org

Hi, I want to bring my first private UNIX machine, the i486/33 back into its original state running 386/BSD 0.0new or 0.1. Shouldn't these releases and the patch-kit be put up on TUHS? I'm not sure I still have backups, and a fresh install would be nice. regards -Gunther -- Gunther Schadow, M.D., Ph.D. gschadow(a)regenstrief.org Medical Information Scientist Regenstrief Institute for Health Care Adjunct Assistant Professor Indiana University School of Medicine tel:1(317)630-7960 http://aurora.regenstrief.org

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DSQD Drives (Was: RE: Diags/Boot image for Altos 580)

by acme_ent＠bellsouth.net

> From: Joe <rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com> > For me it's easier to get the > CORRECT drive and media than it is to cobble something up that may or may > not work or be reliable! FINALLY -- the voice of reason regarding the "will this media work in that drive" questions. Match the drive and the media and avoid a hassle and a lot of lost data. Thanks Joe! Glen 0/0

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Attn: stan perkins

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

Stan, I can't find your address but I thought this might interest you. Joe HP PASCAL 9000 LANGUAGE 500 REFERENCE MANUAL Item # 2011192981

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list changes & RFC on archives & rack chassis

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

> From: pete(a)dunnington.u-net.com > > On Mar 20, 12:59, David Woyciesjes wrote: > > > From: Jay West > > > > B) I also like the 'self-policing' idea of making posts to the list > > from > > > non-subscribers get a subject tag of [OL] or something like that. > > > > Another good idea. > > > > Can't the system compare the From or ReplyTo field against the > > subscriber list, and take action from there? > > People like me might need some assistance here. You see, my > _actual_ > > e-mail address is DAW(a)yalespress3.unipress.yale.edu. Yale ITS just > provides > > an alias for me which is David.Woyciesjes(a)Yale.edu. Both work fine, and > I > > think both are in the headers of my messages. Confuses some other > automated > > mail systems... > > Good point. There are almost certainly people on the list who've > subscribed from a different address than the one they have the mail sent > to. Not insurmountable, but it does need consideraton. > > -- > Of course, it depends on how people get subscribed/added to the list. I would think addresses can be changed by hand on the server, right? Maybe this would be fixed on a case by case basis. Either way, messages would still go through until Jay, or someone designated by him, updates the address list... --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 Mac OS X 10.1.2 - Darwin Kernel Version 5.2: Fri Dec 7 21:39:35 PST 2001 Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash

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TI 980B picture

by erd_6502＠yahoo.com

As requested, I have posted a picture of my recently aquired TI980B at... http://penguincentral.com/retrocomputing/pix/ti980b/02cj003a.jpg I am still in the cleaning/checkout phase. I have not applied power to it yet. I need to get a better digital camera. Right now, I'm using an Apple QuickTake 150, but I don't have the close-up lens. It would cost new >from Apple about 50% of what I paid for the camera, PSU, external battery pack and download cable. :-( As it is, I've taken hundreds of excellent outdoor shots with it. It's awful for indoor photos where detail is important. I think its default minimum focal length is about 24" and the flash is so bright it causes spots on reflective surfaces (the closeup lens also has a flash diffuser). I might try to rig up a 2' string and a flash diffuser to at least not take pictures that will be clearly outside the boundaries of the camera's physical limitations, but even so, I still need a new camera. My current favorite is a Kodak DC290. The only thing I've seen with as much manual control that's newer is the DC4800. Comparing them side-by-side, I still think I want the DC290. Even got a fistful of 16MB CF cards to go in it! As for the TI 980B, with the exception of the very scary, undocumented, rack-mounted 2-square-feet of prototyping board that was cabled into the DMA slot, it looks very clean. I have no idea what this peripheal was supposed to do, and since it was stored at a high-school electronics shop (which is being cleaned out this year which is how I got the TI in the first place), it's covered in bent pins and broken wires. I also know there are several missing chips (they came in the bottom of the box - some jumper blocks with jumper resistors and a few 74181s, at least). I doubt I'll ever be able to discern what this homemade peripheral ever did, so I expect to photograph it and recycle the chips into other classic machines (there's some Motorola RTL chips on there! Perfect for my attempts to replicate a DEC W706/W707 if I ever get that far). If I can get my camera happy making closeups, I'll see about adding some pictures of the CPU and memory boards to the pic of the front panel. -ethan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage http://sports.yahoo.com/

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list changes & RFC on archives & rack chassis

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Mar 20, 12:59, David Woyciesjes wrote: > > From: Jay West > > A) Reject posts to the list which contain any kind of HTML content... > > > Sounds good to me. > > I think a Reply To Sender telling them why it got rejected might be > a good thing. Then we might not piss off some 70 year old guy trying to give > his F-1 a good home... You probably still would, becasue although I've yet to find a mail client that can't send plain text (every version of Outlook I've seen can), chances are the 70-year old isn't sure how to change it. My father certainly wouldn't know how. > > B) I also like the 'self-policing' idea of making posts to the list from > > non-subscribers get a subject tag of [OL] or something like that. > > Another good idea. > > Can't the system compare the From or ReplyTo field against the > subscriber list, and take action from there? > People like me might need some assistance here. You see, my _actual_ > e-mail address is DAW(a)yalespress3.unipress.yale.edu. Yale ITS just provides > an alias for me which is David.Woyciesjes(a)Yale.edu. Both work fine, and I > think both are in the headers of my messages. Confuses some other automated > mail systems... Good point. There are almost certainly people on the list who've subscribed from a different address than the one they have the mail sent to. Not insurmountable, but it does need consideraton. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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list changes & RFC on archives & rack chassis

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Mar 20, 10:53, Jay West wrote: > A) Reject posts to the list which contain any kind of HTML content. I think > this would be fairly unobtrusive - most people don't want HTML posts here > anyways. This would reject a lot of spam, I think, but would reject some "real" posts as well. Personally, I find the multipart/alternative posts aren't too hard to deal with, it's the ones that use odd MIME settings (like multipart/signed and various other unnecessary stuff) that irritate me most. > B) I also like the 'self-policing' idea of making posts to the list from > non-subscribers get a subject tag of [OL] or something like that. This one I > am not sure how to do off the top of my head, but would think it pretty > straightforward. Comments? I think that's a good idea. Then people can do their own filtering if they want -- by eye if not by procmail or similar. I'd be very happy with that. > 2) WRT the archives at www.classiccmp.org THAT is a project I have fallen > far behind in. When I moved the list from the old ISP to the new ISP (me in > both cases, long story)... something broke in getting emails from the list > to the archive mechanism. I noticed this maybe a month ago, and when I > started digging into it I realized it was time for a change - the archives > there are not searchable and that just isn't acceptable. I really miss the archive. I find the threading very useful, and I'd certainly regard that as an important factor, more so than searching (I can use Google for that). However, I have some idea of the resources that go into maintaining lists and archives, and I'm grateful for what I've got :-) Thank you for providing it. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Toilett processing (Was: ZX-TEAM meeting and Webcam)

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Mar 20, 15:50, Hans Franke wrote: > Isn't using a PDP-11 as perhipheral processor for a ZX81 > a bit out of scope ? Surely you don't think it should be the other way around? :-) > (*) Ach ja: if the TU (toilet user) had tried to open the > door, a message like 'The sanitary sywstem of this UDP > facility would apreciate if you also cleanthe door handle' > should be added. LOL! -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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list changes & RFC on archives & rack chassis

by mythtech＠mac.com

>BTW, the latest AOL cannot be 'de-HTML-ized' from what I've heard - you can >send plaintext mail, but if you reply to an HTMLized email, the entire >message stays HTMLized and you can't change it. This is correct. There is not way to "turn off" HTML at all in the latest AOL. The only thing you can do is use ONLY the default email text settings. If you do that, then AOL will send a text only email. But ANY alterations to it will cause AOL to send HTML email (you can redefault it in the prefs to turn it back off). And if you receive an HTML email, you can't de-HTML it in AOL. Once HTML, always HTML in AOL. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Disabling DSD-440 bootstrap

by tom＠sba.miami.edu

Does anyone know what jumpers to change to disable the bootstrap on the DSD-440 controller? Actually, if anyone has the rest of the jumper settings, I would also like to know for reference, since I don't have any docs for it. Thanks, Tom

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list changes & RFC on archives & rack chassis

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

> From: Allison > > From: Ethan Dicks <erd_6502(a)yahoo.com> > >I know that some people (very few) have technological impediments that > >force them into HTML (Outlook, etc., I think). > > This is bunk! Outlook can and does post without html, it's easy to turn > off. > > Please, NO HTML and No IMAGES. The latter was part of a few spams > we got! > > Allison > > Well, I'm using Outlook on my Mac, and HTML/Richtext crap is off... Or should be... --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 Mac OS X 10.1.2 - Darwin Kernel Version 5.2: Fri Dec 7 21:39:35 PST 2001 Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash

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Toilett processing (Was: ZX-TEAM meeting and Webcam)

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

> From: Chris > > >- How about a TP holder that measures the weight? Or a spring loaded > >arm, that contacts a switch when it get near empty. With a wheel at the > end, > >you can also have it provide drag on the roll, for spin control. Then it > >won't be so easy for my cat to run all around the house with it... > > You read my mind... I was going to suggest a spring arm pressing against > the roll. The further the arm travels, the lower the roll. This should > also take very little adjustment since you are looking for % left. > Actually, since rolls all share a common spindle diameter... it would be > easy to have this auto adjust for good thick rolls vs, cheap economy > paper. You know the end location, so add a sensor to know when the roll > has been changed. When the "new roll" sensor is tripped, take the current > reading, that is max size. Now you can calculate the difference from > there to empty, and relay a % left no matter what the initial thickness > is. (the only time this would start to be off is on roll "reloads" of > partially used rolls).... > > .... > Nah... a simple spring arm reading resistance based off roll diameter > would probably work best. > It doesn't even have to be that complicated. The cardboard tubes are all the same thickness, give or take a millimeter, so you know where the stop point is, all the time, every time. Set the switch to trigger the TP=LO warning about 1/4 or 1/2 inch away from that point. --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 Mac OS X 10.1.2 - Darwin Kernel Version 5.2: Fri Dec 7 21:39:35 PST 2001 Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash

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list changes & RFC on archives & rack chassis

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On March 20, David Woyciesjes wrote: > Dave - what/where are the web mail services that don't send html > mail? I investigated this some time ago and found several; I didn't keep a record of them though. > Or even a service I can telnet/ssh into for e-mail... For the latter, a friend of mine runs a shell account service...I will ask her if she's interested in a little publicity; if she is I'll send a message to the list about it. > I'm going to be switching to a new ISP for home (Comcast cable), so > this is a good time to really start some SPAM prevention measures... Sounds like a good idea. -Dave -- Dave McGuire "Watch those lateral G's man, St. Petersburg, FL I've got sandwiches in my lap!" -Sridhar

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VAXstation 4000/90 with /60 graphics

by jkunz＠unixag-kl.fh-kl.de

Hi. I converted a VAXstation 4000/60 to a /90 by replacing the main system board. The new machine works well: KA49-A V1.0-006-V4.0 08-00-2B-37-58-9D 32MB OK 83 BOOT SYS but when I plug in the old graphics board from the /60 I get: KA49-A V1.0-006-V4.0 08-00-2B-37-58-9D 32MB ?? 016 2 0000 >>> Is the /60 graphics board not compatible with the /90 main system board? -- tsch??, Jochen Homepage: http://www.unixag-kl.fh-kl.de/~jkunz/

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Toilett processing (Was: ZX-TEAM meeting and Webcam)

by mythtech＠mac.com

>- How about a TP holder that measures the weight? Or a spring loaded >arm, that contacts a switch when it get near empty. With a wheel at the end, >you can also have it provide drag on the roll, for spin control. Then it >won't be so easy for my cat to run all around the house with it... You read my mind... I was going to suggest a spring arm pressing against the roll. The further the arm travels, the lower the roll. This should also take very little adjustment since you are looking for % left. Actually, since rolls all share a common spindle diameter... it would be easy to have this auto adjust for good thick rolls vs, cheap economy paper. You know the end location, so add a sensor to know when the roll has been changed. When the "new roll" sensor is tripped, take the current reading, that is max size. Now you can calculate the difference from there to empty, and relay a % left no matter what the initial thickness is. (the only time this would start to be off is on roll "reloads" of partially used rolls) Two problems with the earlier mentioned rotation counter... 1: you need to deal with vastly different sheet counts (Scott will turn WAY more times than Charmin will, but both are roughly the same diameter, just Charmin is thicker so has fewer sheets per roll, thus fewer turns till empty). And of course, a turn based counter needs to subtract for roll re-rolling... for the times the cat decides to use it as a batting toy, and unrolls half of it onto the floor. The counter has to subtract turns as you spin the paper back onto the roll. Oh yeah... and a spin counter would be throw off by those 4am "where did the end of the roll go blind half asleep multiple rotations trying to find the start" situations. Nah... a simple spring arm reading resistance based off roll diameter would probably work best. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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list changes & RFC on archives & rack chassis

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Jay West [mailto:jwest@classiccmp.org] > A) Reject posts to the list which contain any kind of HTML > content. I think > this would be fairly unobtrusive - most people don't want > HTML posts here > anyways. And - I would bet that most all SPAM contains some > form of HTML, so > this might not get rid of all SPAM forever, but I think it > would make the > very few that come here dwindle to even less. Comments? > B) I also like the 'self-policing' idea of making posts to > the list from > non-subscribers get a subject tag of [OL] or something like > that. This one I > am not sure how to do off the top of my head, but would think > it pretty > straightforward. Comments? I like plan B. It sounds simple enough, and people can decide whether to trash the off-list mail themselves. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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list changes & RFC on archives & rack chassis

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On March 20, Ethan Dicks wrote: > In theory, I support this, but if it's possible to filter them down > to their textual content on the way through, that might be good, also. > I know that some people (very few) have technological impediments that > force them into HTML (Outlook, etc., I think). Nope. Even LookOut Express can be told not to HTMLize messages. Some people use webmail services which spew huge amounts of HTML...but quite frankly, there are plenty of such services that don't...and anyone who chooses one that does should probably be suspended by their toenails and pummeled into unconsciousness with an organically-grown cucumber. In short...there is *no* excuse for sending HTML email other than inexperience or stupidity. -Dave -- Dave McGuire "Watch those lateral G's man, St. Petersburg, FL I've got sandwiches in my lap!" -Sridhar

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ZX-TEAM meeting and Webcam

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: John Lawson [mailto:jpl15@panix.com] > Press-fit roll spindle with shaft encoder attached to one > serial port on > a PDP-11 running a backround job counting total turns, > comparing against > approximate turns-to-roll-exhaustion, and triggering (thru > another serial > port) an appropriate alarm, or perhaps printing out a TP-LO Warning. Actually, I think it may be better to mount a strategically placed laser diode, and a reflector on the opposite side. That would take a visual cue at the point the roll got thin enough to let the laser hit the other side... > Now how do you tell if the previous occupant actually washed their > hands? A very low-power line running to the edge of the drain, that would allow the water to complete the circuit when it hit the bottom of the sink. You could couple that with a soap dispenser sensor (Is that anything like conjunction junction?) and get a pretty good test. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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ZX-TEAM meeting and Webcam

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On March 20, Doc wrote: > > > Go stand in the corner. > > > > Oh c'mon Doc. Surely I didn't get you with THAT one. ;) > > It was just so *lame*! Yeah, I know...I'm sorry. I'll try to do better next time. ;) -Dave -- Dave McGuire "Watch those lateral G's man, St. Petersburg, FL I've got sandwiches in my lap!" -Sridhar

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Toilett processing (Was: ZX-TEAM meeting and Webcam)

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

> From: Ethan Dicks > > --- Hans Franke <Hans.Franke(a)mch20.sbs.de> wrote: > > > On Tue, 19 Mar 2002, Ben Franchuk wrote: > > > > Glen Goodwin wrote: > > > > > 1 -- Build an interface for every device under the sun, including > > > > > the toilet seat. > > > > That is easy -- a micro switch ... now how do you tell if the ROLL > is > > > > almost empty ? > > > > > Press-fit roll spindle with shaft encoder attached to... a PDP-11... > > > counting total turns, comparing against approximate turns-to-roll- > > > exhaustion, and...printing out a TP-LO Warning. > > Or an optical sensor mounted parallel the axis of the roll that would > trigger when the diameter was too low. How about a color-based sensor > that could detect the difference between the cardboard core and the > paper? What about a shaft encoder that measures angular velocity... > for low velocities, there must be lots of paper (when the roll is full, > 3 squares per second produces, say, 1/60 RPM; but when the roll is nearly > empty, the same linear pull rate produces 1/20 RPM - kinda the opposite > of linear bit-density calculations on variable zone recording floppies > and hard disks). There's probably a way to embed an inertial sensor in > the holder to measure the force it takes to start the roll moving... the > possibilities are endless! > - How about a TP holder that measures the weight? Or a spring loaded arm, that contacts a switch when it get near empty. With a wheel at the end, you can also have it provide drag on the roll, for spin control. Then it won't be so easy for my cat to run all around the house with it... --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 Mac OS X 10.1.2 - Darwin Kernel Version 5.2: Fri Dec 7 21:39:35 PST 2001 Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash

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list changes & RFC on archives & rack chassis

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

> ---------- > From: Cini, Richard > > Jay: > > I like the HTML filter, although the number of HTML posts is pretty > small. > > The only thing I ask you to consider is somehow obfuscating member's > email addresses in the searchable article database. I've noticed spam in > two > email accounts that I've previously used when posting to the list. These > two > accounts I don't use in any Web-related way that could be clipped by a > spambot (like posting in newgroups). That's why my MSN account is mostly > spam but my work account and Optimum Online account are virtually > spam-free. > > Obviously this makes it hard for off-listers to contact individual > members relating specifically to that post. Comments? > > Rich > > ========================== > They can always send a message to the list itself to find someone. Jay - Is there a reason that the Reply To All field only goes back to the list? --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 Mac OS X 10.1.2 - Darwin Kernel Version 5.2: Fri Dec 7 21:39:35 PST 2001 Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash

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list changes & RFC on archives & rack chassis

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

> From: Jay West > > 1) Ok, here are the two things I was considering doing to change the > mailing > list settings.... > > A) Reject posts to the list which contain any kind of HTML content... > Sounds good to me. I think a Reply To Sender telling them why it got rejected might be a good thing. Then we might not piss off some 70 year old guy trying to give his F-1 a good home... > B) I also like the 'self-policing' idea of making posts to the list from > non-subscribers get a subject tag of [OL] or something like that. This one > I > am not sure how to do off the top of my head, but would think it pretty > straightforward. Comments? > Another good idea. Can't the system compare the From or ReplyTo field against the subscriber list, and take action from there? People like me might need some assistance here. You see, my _actual_ e-mail address is DAW(a)yalespress3.unipress.yale.edu. Yale ITS just provides an alias for me which is David.Woyciesjes(a)Yale.edu. Both work fine, and I think both are in the headers of my messages. Confuses some other automated mail systems... > 2) WRT the archives at www.classiccmp.org THAT is a project I have fallen > far behind in. When I moved the list from the old ISP to the new ISP (me > in > both cases, long story)... > Understandable. > 3) This isn't really important - just random "what if" thinking out loud - > I > was considering moving the mailing list and mail list archives off to a > separate machine that does nothing but classiccmp. This is being > considered > for logistics reasons, not for horsepower/load reasons..... > Makes sense. Sorry I can't help with a case tho... Many thanks to you and for your effort here... --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 Mac OS X 10.1.2 - Darwin Kernel Version 5.2: Fri Dec 7 21:39:35 PST 2001 Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash

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urgent business/investment deal

by foo＠siconic.com

On Thu, 14 Mar 2002, minespower steel wrote: > VERY CONFIDENTIAL BUSINESS ATTENTION STRICTLY FOR YOU ONLY > > FROM THE DESK OF > ALHAJI USMAN YERIMA. > IKOYI, LAGOS. > PHONE;234-803-3088-100 > BUSINESS ATTENTION. > URGENT BUSINESS DEAL If the number of these Nigerian scam offers I get is any indication, we're now on a mailing list for these freaks and are doomed to receive at least 2-3 of these a week. Now it is really time to clamp down on non-subscriber posts. I mean for real. This is really getting annoying. Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *

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list changes & RFC on archives & rack chassis

by RCini＠congressfinancial.com

Jay: I like the HTML filter, although the number of HTML posts is pretty small. The only thing I ask you to consider is somehow obfuscating member's email addresses in the searchable article database. I've noticed spam in two email accounts that I've previously used when posting to the list. These two accounts I don't use in any Web-related way that could be clipped by a spambot (like posting in newgroups). That's why my MSN account is mostly spam but my work account and Optimum Online account are virtually spam-free. Obviously this makes it hard for off-listers to contact individual members relating specifically to that post. Comments? Rich ========================== Richard A. Cini, Jr. Congress Financial Corporation 1133 Avenue of the Americas 30th Floor New York, NY 10036 (212) 545-4402 (212) 840-6259 (facsimile) -----Original Message----- From: Jay West [mailto:jwest@classiccmp.org] Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 11:54 AM To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Subject: list changes & RFC on archives & rack chassis 1) Ok, here are the two things I was considering doing to change the mailing list settings.... A) Reject posts to the list which contain any kind of HTML content. I think this would be fairly unobtrusive - most people don't want HTML posts here anyways. And - I would bet that most all SPAM contains some form of HTML, so this might not get rid of all SPAM forever, but I think it would make the very few that come here dwindle to even less. Comments? B) I also like the 'self-policing' idea of making posts to the list from non-subscribers get a subject tag of [OL] or something like that. This one I am not sure how to do off the top of my head, but would think it pretty straightforward. Comments? 2) WRT the archives at www.classiccmp.org THAT is a project I have fallen far behind in. When I moved the list from the old ISP to the new ISP (me in both cases, long story)... something broke in getting emails from the list to the archive mechanism. I noticed this maybe a month ago, and when I started digging into it I realized it was time for a change - the archives there are not searchable and that just isn't acceptable. So - I have been looking for software to HTML'ize the mailing list that allows searching as well. I really need suggestions here as my initial searches came up less than satisfactory. The archives are currently using hypermail. My criteria is something that is FreeBSD and Sendmail friendly, and allows searching the archives OR viewing them by thread. I don't mind if the emails need to get stored in a database, but if they do, mysql must be the database used (picky aren't I). The only package I found had statements all over it to the effect that "this package will no longer be supported by the author". I did notice the list archives for netsaint that are stored at sourceforge look REALLY nice, and do allow searching, but didn't see a good way to follow threads. I would greatly appreciate it if anyone can point me to mail list archives that work well (for the user) and look nice (or to software for unix that does the same). Please send these suggestions to me off-list at jwest(a)classiccmp.org 3) This isn't really important - just random "what if" thinking out loud - I was considering moving the mailing list and mail list archives off to a separate machine that does nothing but classiccmp. This is being considered for logistics reasons, not for horsepower/load reasons. I have all the spare components (cpu, memory, drives, etc) but no spare rackmount chassis. I can just order a rackmount chassis under my company which I'm perfectly willing to do, but was wondering if anyone had a rackmount chassis just laying around that they didn't need and would donate to the cause. The key criteria - EIA units (space!). I would strongly prefer a 1U (1 EIA unit, or 1.75 inches) tall unit. We charge on rackspace by the inch, so I want the machine to take as little space as possible so I can obviously sell the rackspace to other paying customers. I would consider a 2U (2.5 inches) tall unit (which I already have spare) as a fall-back plan, but definitely nothing taller than that. Anyone have a spare laying around? If so, please contact me OFF LIST at jwest(a)classiccmp.org Regards, Jay West

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What's Need to Connect TS05 to PDP 11/23

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Douglas Quebbeman wrote: > > > > I know there is going to be a catch to this... > > > > But which interface card will I need to add a TS05 > > (Cipher streamer 9-track drive) to a PDP-11/23? > > Why a catch? - The 11/23 has a low-order digit of three, which > identifies it as a Q-bus machine. So you need a subsystem called TSV05 > (as opposed to the UNIBUS TSU05), and the controller is M7196. Takes > 6.5A @ 5V, counts as 3 AC / 1 DC loads on the logic lines. Why would I suspect a catch? From the conversations I follow here regarding PDP-11s, it always seems to "depend"... You should know this: I have *never* *ever* used a PDP-11. I did use a DEC-10 extensively (including a little MACRO-10) and a Harris 1200 (PDP-8 clone). > > Like "which version of the 11/23", and there's an > > 11/23+ too, isn't there? > > Right, but shouldn't matter for this purpose. Sure, the TSV05 is a DMA > controller, so the number of address lines in the system is a concern, > but, the /23 has at least 18 address bits, and that should do. (See the > addresses from the manual: these show 6 octal digits = 18 bits!) > > Ah, well, there is an "extended features switch" (pack at E58, position > 9). This switch must be "on" for 22-bit addressing (and for streaming in > 100ips mode, IIRC). Maybe this is the catch you're looking for? > > I have not yet installed mine, however... - will be in a /23-PLUS. > Currently, I only have a TSU05 available (and am still looking for the > switch desingations...). Ok, so I need to locate a TSV05 if the box by some chance doesn't already have one (not in my posession yet). -dq

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Anybody need Indigo R3000 parts?

by mrbill＠mrbill.net

Anybody need Indigo R3000 parts? I've got four or five machines with system board and LG1 framebuffer and at least one SCSI drive sled each, and at least 16meg RAM. No keyboards or mice tho. If you're in the Austin area and ask nicely, I may just give you one if you come pick it up and ask nicely.. If you're anywhere else, I'd prefer small trades to make it worth boxing up and hauling to the postal place (and you pay shipping, of course). Just trying to clean out the garage... Bill -- Bill Bradford mrbill(a)mrbill.net Austin, TX

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MVII Diags Chapter 2

by cdl＠proxima.ucsd.edu

> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 10:10:09 -0600 (CST) > From: Doc Shipley <doc(a)mdrconsult.com> > To: Classic Computers <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> > Subject: MVII Diags Chapter 2 > Sender: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Reply-To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > > OK, Friends & Neighbors. > First, I'm starting to think that the original tape is damaged. The > cptape utility suggested by Jochen seems to be Doing The Right Thing, > but gets errors. dd has no qualms at all as long as the TKZ50-GA is set > to a variable blocksize, but errors out on file #7. If I set > "conv=noerror" for dd to ignore read errors, it saws away forever at > the same file. And, if I boot the uVAX from either the original or the > one "probably good" copy [1], sometimes it sees the RD53 disks as RD51. > Not consistently. When it does, it hangs solid on a custom format. > > I'll be putting the -GA on a VMS box this evening and try the VMSTPCE > copy. It makes sense to make the tape in its native OS. > > > [1] I did get a good set of files with the TUHS cptape. Problem is > that AFAICT the partner program, maketape, only understands 512*N > blocksizes. The diags tape has a lot of files in 80B blocks. The good > copy was made with dd, setting blocksize file by file. 82 files, > that is.... Here are a few shell scripts that might be useful. Originally run on Ultrix 1.2 on a VaxStation II but should be more general than that. Written for the specific purpose of investigating and duplicating MVAX diagnostic TK50 tapes. carl = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = #! /bin/sh # This is a shell archive, meaning: # 1. Remove everything above the #! /bin/sh line. # 2. Save the resulting text in a file. # 3. Execute the file with /bin/sh (not csh) to create the files: # tapemap.sh # read_tape.sh # write_tape.sh # This archive created: Tue Jan 5 08:21:44 1993 export PATH; PATH=/bin:$PATH echo shar: extracting "'tapemap.sh'" '(161 characters)' if test -f 'tapemap.sh' then echo shar: will not over-write existing file "'tapemap.sh'" else sed 's/^X//' << \SHAR_EOF > 'tapemap.sh' X#!/bin/sh Xwhile : Xdo Xdd if=/dev/nrmt0 cbs=80 conv=unblock >>logfile Xdd if=/dev/nrmt0 of=/dev/null 2>>logfile Xdd if=/dev/nrmt0 cbs=80 conv=unblock >>logfile Xdone SHAR_EOF if test 161 -ne "`wc -c < 'tapemap.sh'`" then echo shar: error transmitting "'tapemap.sh'" '(should have been 161 characters)' fi chmod +x 'tapemap.sh' fi # end of overwriting check echo shar: extracting "'read_tape.sh'" '(356 characters)' if test -f 'read_tape.sh' then echo shar: will not over-write existing file "'read_tape.sh'" else sed 's/^X//' << \SHAR_EOF > 'read_tape.sh' X#!/bin/sh X# read_tape.sh X# read MicroVax diagnostic tape into an assortment of files X# Xdir=/data Xtape=/dev/nrmt0 X Xmkdir $dir/hdr Xmkdir $dir/txt Xmkdir $dir/eof X Xmt -f /dev/rmt0 rew Xi=1 Xwhile [ "$i" -le 108 ] Xdo X dd if=$tape bs=80 of=$dir/hdr/$i X dd if=$tape bs=512 of=$dir/txt/$i X dd if=$tape bs=80 of=$dir/eof/$i X i=`expr $i + 1` Xdone X Xmt -f /dev/rmt0 rew SHAR_EOF if test 356 -ne "`wc -c < 'read_tape.sh'`" then echo shar: error transmitting "'read_tape.sh'" '(should have been 356 characters)' fi chmod +x 'read_tape.sh' fi # end of overwriting check echo shar: extracting "'write_tape.sh'" '(348 characters)' if test -f 'write_tape.sh' then echo shar: will not over-write existing file "'write_tape.sh'" else sed 's/^X//' << \SHAR_EOF > 'write_tape.sh' X#!/bin/sh X# write_tape.sh X# write MicroVax diagnostic tape from an assortment of files X# Xdir=. Xtape=/dev/nrmt0 X Xmt -f /dev/rmt0 rew Xi=1 Xwhile [ "$i" -le 108 ] Xdo X echo " file $i" X dd of=$tape bs=80 if=$dir/hdr/$i X dd of=$tape bs=512 if=$dir/txt/$i X dd of=$tape bs=80 if=$dir/eof/$i X i=`expr $i + 1` Xdone Xmt -f $tape weof 2 Xmt -f /dev/rmt0 rew X SHAR_EOF if test 348 -ne "`wc -c < 'write_tape.sh'`" then echo shar: error transmitting "'write_tape.sh'" '(should have been 348 characters)' fi chmod +x 'write_tape.sh' fi # end of overwriting check # End of shell archive exit 0

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ZX-TEAM meeting and Webcam

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On March 20, Doc wrote: > > Hmm, what about buffer overflow detection? > > > > Excessive packet...erm...length? > > > > UDP...User Droppings Protocol. > > > > Dave, > Go stand in the corner. Oh c'mon Doc. Surely I didn't get you with THAT one. ;) -Dave -- Dave McGuire "Watch those lateral G's man, St. Petersburg, FL I've got sandwiches in my lap!" -Sridhar

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Info wanted on old Memorex model 214 HD

by aek＠spies.com

> Does anyone here have any info on this old hard > drive I bought at "Weird Stuff"? It's a rebadged Fujitsu. AED used them in the WINC 08 product. >From memory, it's 20mb.

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Digital DEClaser 1100

by flo＠uk.thalesgroup.com

Ian King wrote: > Does anybody have a Digital DEClaser 1100 manual - I need one for > a machine I have recently obtained. I found the Installation Guide and Operator's Guide for this on a colleague's desk at the weekend. I will scan it if no one offers the URL of an existing copy. Regards, Paul

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Keyboard conversions

by foxvideo＠wincom.net

At 10:28 PM 19/03/2002 -0500, you wrote: >With all this talk about making a LK201 work on a PC or vice versa - and >this moderately-broken Amiga keyboard I have laying around - I was >wondering if anyone could give me some info so I design/build an adaptor >to make a PC (perhaps mac or some other KB) work with an Amiga? With the >lack of a surplus of Amiga kb's on the eBay market, I was thinking it >might be a worthwhile hack. > >Mostly I guess I just want a source of info about the Amiga keyboard (this >is for an A2000 btw) so I could think about how I might design it. > >Thanks > >-- Pat What is the problem with the Amiga keyboard? I repaired one of mine (dead enter key) with parts from a Commadore 64. Cheers Charlie Fox Charles E. Fox Video Production 793 Argyle Rd. Windsor Ontario Canada N8Y 3J8 519-254-4991 foxvideo(a)wincom.net Check out the "Camcorder Kindergarten" at http://chasfoxvideo.com

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ZX-TEAM meeting and Webcam

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Now how do you tell if the previous occupant actually washed their > hands? On entry, the PDP-11 signals a bank of ultraviolet lights that illuminate whatever bacteria are hanging around ont he various fixtures... -dq

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Info wanted on old Memorex model 214 HD

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Hi, > Does anyone here have any info on this old hard > drive I bought at "Weird Stuff"? > > It's a Memorex model 214 - weighs about 50 lbs, has > 4 6" platters I think. > > I'm interested in it origin, use, size, etc. Dunno, but it's pretty cool. Any more available? -dq

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ZX-TEAM meeting and Webcam

by acme_ent＠bellsouth.net

> From: Tony Duell <ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk> > But surely, if you link up a different keyboard (good idea as the Zx81 > keyboard is unusable IMHO), and then use an LCD display then there's not > much of the original ZX81 left. Sure there is. If you change the keyboard and monitor on a PC it's still a PC -- same for the ZX81. In most cases we're just adding peripheral i/o devices, RAM, and beefier PSUs and mounting the whole mess in a larger enclosure. OTOH I saw plenty of plain black ZX81s at this year's meeting, used to demonstrate software. > > Sure, some of these operations are slow, but the point is that we're doing > > a *lot* with "obsolete" hardware. If we can get this kind of functionality > > That applies to a number of serious old-computer user groups, actually... Yup, it's great that there are so many people out there still fanatically hacking so many different machines . . . Glen 0/0

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ZX-TEAM meeting and Webcam

by acme_ent＠bellsouth.net

> From: Pete Turnbull <pete(a)dunnington.u-net.com> > > Wasn't the ZX81 board already prepared to use a 6116 instead ? > > Yes, it was. I put 6116's in several. Pete, what modifications to the board are required in order to use a 6116? Thanks, Glen 0/0

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playing with the VAX 6460

by gunther＠aurora.regenstrief.org

Hi, this was my first 5 hours trying to do just some useful work with the VAX 6460 (phicus) under Ultrix 4.5, now that the worries are beyond getting it booted and getting free from VMS, I remember again how hard UNIX can be in terms of compatibility (of course that's all nothing as compared to how hard it would be on VMS :-). I was going to build the essentials of the amenities of the modern times, like gzip, GNU tar, bash and less, and Emacs and gcc and GNU make. All I did accomplish was to make Ultrix's date(1) Y2K complient warping my system time from 1976 up to 2002 :-). The patch is attached for those who have the sources. That was easy. Now gzip would build and install without remaking everything all the time because of my system time being decades behind :-). Gzip was easy too. Next was tar, and here came the first problems. The fact that Ultrix' cc is a k&r compiler and cpp is somehow not up to date is causing great pains. Lots of stuff fails because of this. I did try the VAX C compiler (vcc), which supposedly is ANSI-C, but it made the confusion worse. Some locale stuff was a common theme of stuff failing, which of course I hate. I never cared for locales, and I get upset if some locale crap goes in the way of getting things to work. But I figured, I needed to fast-forward my build- efforts to GCC. I have GCC-2.9x.3 (latest before 3.0) with an eye on making NetBSD from that platform. First I had to make GNU make, because the GCC installation procedure has become more sophisticated. Building make almost failed too had I not applied some broad strokes to make cpp and the locale stuff happy. Now with GNU make, that GCC build would still fail quite early for some strange syntax errors reported by cpp. I could actually build cpp and cpp0 without all the rest, but putting GNU cpp in front of Ultrix cc didn't do much good at all. Of course there may be lots of other things wrong, for I doubt anyone at GNU/Cygnus has tested the autoconf process on Ultrix/VAX lately :-). So, I decided I have to get some super old version of GCC, like 1.42 or earlier, that has a chance of having been tested on Ultrix back then. From that platform I might be able to move on to a more recent GCC version. Tried to build at least bash, but once again cpp woes in the lib/readline build (and readline is really my main reason for wanting bash!)`That's where I gave up on GNU stuff for today. Tried some kernel making again, on Ultrix, both 4.5 binary and 4.2 source. I think config(8) is indeed doing the symlinks to the BINARY objects, so doconfig should not be required indeed. However, I cannot seem to be able to bump up my MAXUSERS variable effectively. I have set maxusers to 128 but when I try my 3rd telnet connection I am being sent away. I somewhere read that Ultrix had some hard restriction to cut more money out of per-user licenses. Any idea what I might be doing wrong in terms of maxusers? Tried to build the Ultrix-4.2 kernel from sources. Need to supply the -s option to the config(8) command (to use sources instead of binary symlinks.) However, the 4.2 sources seem to be incomplete!!! I am missing at least sys/kern_lmf.c. Has anyone here ever built successfully >from the Ultrix-4.2 sources? kern_lmf.c seems critical and cannot be optioned out. Tried to play with 4.3BSD sources, Tahoe and Quasijarus. I must have FTPed the Quasijarus files in ASCII mode or Michael is using a strange compress format, as neither Ultrix compress nor gzip recognizes it as theirs. Noticed that the TUHS archive's Tahoe version has some broken files (as noted in BROKEN) that's sad. Tried to un-tar the src.tar.gz of Tahoe to get to 4.3BSD's config(8) tool (it's a good idea of Ultrix to put the config(8) tool into the sys/ tree rather than the usr.(s)bin/ tree.) That's where I noticed that the src.tar.gz is broken very early in the process. May be with GNU tar it could find a point to continue after the error, but then I need to build GNU tar first. Ah, the worries of UNIX. But it was always fun and never so frustrating as to make me want to throw hammers like I want to when I am stuck with VMS. Of course I appreciate tips as to how modern GNU stuff is built on Ultrix. regards, -Gunther -- Gunther Schadow, M.D., Ph.D. gschadow(a)regenstrief.org Medical Information Scientist Regenstrief Institute for Health Care Adjunct Assistant Professor Indiana University School of Medicine tel:1(317)630-7960 http://aurora.regenstrief.org

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Info wanted on old Memorex model 214 HD

by tosteve＠yahoo.com

Hi, Does anyone here have any info on this old hard drive I bought at "Weird Stuff"? It's a Memorex model 214 - weighs about 50 lbs, has 4 6" platters I think. I'm interested in it origin, use, size, etc. Thanks! Steve. pics here: http://68.5.43.239:8000/amigapics/hd1.jpg http://68.5.43.239:8000/amigapics/2.jpg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage http://sports.yahoo.com/

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Digital DEClaser 1100

by I.R.King＠plymouth.ac.uk

Hi, Does anybody have a Digital DEClaser 1100 manual - I need one for a machine I have recently obtained. Thanks Ian

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What's Need to Connect TS05 to PDP 11/23

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

I know there is going to be a catch to this... But which interface card will I need to add a TS05 (Cipher streamer 9-track drive) to a PDP-11/23? Like "which version of the 11/23", and there's an 11/23+ too, isn't there? I'm not sure of which it might be; I have a photo, but it's not very high-res. tia, -doug q

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ZX-TEAM meeting and Webcam

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On March 20, Doc wrote: > > > 1 -- Build an interface for every device under the sun, including the > > > toilet seat. > > > > That is easy -- a micro switch ... now how do you tell if the ROLL is > > almost empty ? > > Ummm, an infrared laser & sensor array at the crucial point? Hmm, what about buffer overflow detection? Excessive packet...erm...length? UDP...User Droppings Protocol. Eeew. -Dave -- Dave McGuire "Watch those lateral G's man, St. Petersburg, FL I've got sandwiches in my lap!" -Sridhar

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Trouble in VAX land.

by hugh＠openbsd.org

Almost two years ago I received a VAX 4000 100 on "long term loan" >from a local university. It has served faithfully, building three OpenBSD/vax releases and many snapshots between then and now, but... last night it quit! Luckily, it appears to be only the power supply at fault. Results of two attempts at firing the machine up: : KA52-A V1.1, VMB 2.14 : Performing normal system tests. : 72..71..70..69..68..67..66..65..64..63..62..61..60..59.. : KA52-A V1.1, VMB 2.14 : Performing normal system tests. : 72..71..70..69..68..67..66..65..64.. It runs for a bit, and powers off. I've isolated the power supply from the machine, and nothing is obviously burned out, but it still only runs for a second or two. So I find myself in need of a replacement PSU. I believe that even an older MicroVAX 3100 system can donate a compatible unit, and if you have such hardware you can raid, please find a screwdriver and let me know. It's important this machine or its successor be back building soon, and if desired I will pay for shipping of suitable hardware from anywhere in North America to here, Vancouver, Canada. BTW, if you happen to be in South America or Western Europe, and have a VAX you don't know what to do with, let me hear about this as well. We have developers in Argentina and France who are eager to obtain machines of their own to hack on. Thanks folks, /Hugh

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Keyboard conversions

by pat＠purdueriots.com

With all this talk about making a LK201 work on a PC or vice versa - and this moderately-broken Amiga keyboard I have laying around - I was wondering if anyone could give me some info so I design/build an adaptor to make a PC (perhaps mac or some other KB) work with an Amiga? With the lack of a surplus of Amiga kb's on the eBay market, I was thinking it might be a worthwhile hack. Mostly I guess I just want a source of info about the Amiga keyboard (this is for an A2000 btw) so I could think about how I might design it. Thanks -- Pat

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HP LJ 2 mobo -> Apple LW 2 NT

by mythtech＠mac.com

>Let me check... I have half a dozen of these in various states of repair and >probably, IIRC, have one extra legal tray. I can probably part with that if >it will do someone some good. Yes... I am still on the hunt for a legal tray for that printer engine (I don't care specifically which model it comes from, as long as it fits the SX engine that is used in the HP LJ 2, and Apple LW IINT among other printers that use it) I do have enough letter trays, so I am only in need of a legal size tray (and if anyone has it, an envelope tray might come in handy as well) -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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DSQD Drives (Was: RE: Diags/Boot image for Altos 580)

by acme_ent＠bellsouth.net

> From: Tony Duell <ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk> > It's not a kludge to use a HD drive to write DSQD disks. It's _designed_ > to do it. If a drive is *designed* to use a certain type of media, then of course it's not a kludge. As I originally said, match the media and the drive and live a happy life ;>) Glen 0/0

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HP LJ 2 mobo -> Apple LW 2 NT

by mythtech＠mac.com

>Chris I have 2 letter trays - looked all over for legals - nogo. Does $10 >for a letter tray (includes USPS to the C-U area) sound OK to you? I'd have >to get $12 total if you use Paypal to cover the fees or you can stay at $10 >and send me a money order. Let me know when you can. I would say the price sounds great... but I have spare letter trays already, so I don't need more. Sorry :-( -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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HP LJ 2 mobo -> Apple LW 2 NT

by mythtech＠mac.com

>I'll look and see if I have a legal - I have a box of LJ 2 and III trays, >not sure if I have legals left though. Shipping to the C-U area from here is >cheap and then a couple bucks for the tray would work. I need more space >around here anyway. Yeah if you have one that would be great. The HP had no trays when I got it. I had a spare letter try for my Apple which fits nicely (although is grey rather than brown, but who cares). Let me know if you find a legal try (or any good parts/trays) and how much you would want. Thanks! -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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playing with the VAX 6460

by Antonio.Carlini＠riverstonenet.com

> Gunther Schadow wrote: > >PPS: Have your guys ever tried to build Ultrix from sources? I found >some critical pieces missing, like /usr/sys/sys/kern_lmf.c and possibly >more. Having used Ultrix maybe for a few days total (and that was perhaps five years ago) I'm probably not in the class of user that builds it from sources :-) but I'll try not to let that inhibit me from replying ... The lmf bit of the filename suggests Licence Management Facility to me. DEC never intended this as anything other than a tripwire (at least on OpenVMS) meaning that although you could fairly easily get around it, you'd have a hard time arguing in court that you just typed in something by accident! Giving away the sources would have lowered the "energy barrier" too much, so it was always dropped from the OpenVMS Source Listings distribution. AFAIK, all LMF implementations were based on the same core ideas, so it would have been hard to release the innards on any platform. Antonio

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Odd Honeywell Mouse

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> --- DAVID YOUNG <DAVIDINTEL(a)attbi.com> wrote: > > yes it's a regular mouse, 2 feet no ball > > This has to be the punchline to a really baaad joke. > > ... or the set-up to "that reminds me of girl I used to know..." :-) I'd assumed the extremely slow feed today was due to some new OFF-TOPIC filter that Jay had put in place, and thus avoided posting, as I'd hate my friends here to be depraved^H^H^H^Hived... But if so, it sill needs work... -dq

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KIM-1 & SWTPc 6800

by jhellige＠earthlink.net

Over the last week I've had two different individuals contact me and offer me systems. One was a KIM-1, including all three manuals, "KIM Hints" and the classic book "First Book of KIM"...all for $25. The KIM is a Rev. G board and looks to be in really nice shape. He had rescued it from the curbside trash outside of a college dorm! The second system is a SWTPc 6800. It includes lots of documentation and the SWTPc minidisk system, as well as various FLEX disks and a few additional boards. He's also informed me that he's going to include a terminal kit that he had gotten for it. I believe he said that the kit was made by Netronics...I'd have to doublecheck that. It's costing me $50 plus shipping. I don't actually have it yet but am certainly looking forward to receiving it! Jeff -- Home of the TRS-80 Model 2000 FAQ File http://www.cchaven.com http://www.geocities.com/siliconvalley/lakes/6757

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Disassembling a Vaxstation 2000

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

> I've managed to get the case open, but... well, this > is rather embarassing... I can't quite seem to figure > out how to get the drive itself out. That's OK, you wouldn't beleive the trouble my PDP-11/44 CPU gave me with regards to getting the chassis out of the rack! Finally had to transport it in the rack because no one could figure out how to unrack it. I've run into some IBM gear that's like that also, it takes half of forever to figure out how to get into it. In this case isn't the HD on a sled like the BA23's and BA123's use? I think there is a tab under the drive, that you push down on then pull the HD forward. Of course my memory is fuzzy, I've not touched my VS2000 in several years. Zane

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Odd Honeywell Mouse

by DAVIDINTEL＠attbi.com

yes it's a regular mouse, 2 feet no ball

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MV-II Diags Chapter 3

by doc＠mdrconsult.com

WooHoo! Working copies of both the Maintenance & Customer diagnostic tapes! I'm almost ashamed of the way I got it done -- classic Unix "go with what you know" low-tech. I'm also not convinced the originals are reliable, but I am convinced I got true copies of them. The TKZ50-GA doesn't read the old tapes well at all, so I ended up doing the rips on the MV-II itself. The TUHS "cptape" utility, which copies each file from tape to disk and records blocksize for each file, extracted both tapes without error on the MV. So I've got the contents of the tape on disk, with 2/3 of the files having a blocksize of 80. The TUHS maketape doesn't know anything but N*512 blocksizes, so that's out, and the tape has to have a TapeMark at each file, so I can't just cat 'em all into a single file. I tried setting blocksize to 0 (variable) and running a dd loop, but the drive pukes with an "Undefined error" fairly quickly. So I just made a script that uses mt to set the blocksize every time it changes, and dd each file to tape. All 172 files. I couldn't remember how to compare file sizes in a test statement, so no loops. Bah!. It's the Kludge from Hell, but it works. Anybody with a Unix system & a TK<whatever> oughta be able to use it. The 2 tarballs are about 1.5MB each. Assuming you have a license to use it, I see no reason not to help replace your media. :^) Doc

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Paging Gary Oliver

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

Paging Gary J. Oliver... I think I tried this before, and didn't get a reply. He used to work for Alpha Omega Computer Systems, Inc. There is a gary Oliver living now near Coventry, who may be the same guy, but a bit far from his former residence. He'd posted here in '98 about a CDC 3300 simulator he was working on. If anyone knows him and/or knows how to reach him, I'd appreciate it if you caould help facilitate my contacting him. Thanks, -doug quebbeman

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DSQD Drives (Was: RE: Diags/Boot image for Altos 580)

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> IIRC the Floppy on an Altos 580 is DSQD. Am I correct that while different from standard DSDD, they are *not* GCR drives? What other machines might carry these drives, can I hook one up to a standard PC controller in a box running DOS, and then duplicate the disks? > I had one that had the CMI hard drive replaced with a Seagate ST225. So I > know they will take similar configured Hard Drives. I think they will take > 10, 15 and 20 Meg HDs. This is good to know, ST225s still pop up from time to time... -dq

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Value of a small VAX farm

by lluu＠ib-group.com

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TRS80 Model 1 question

by rcini＠optonline.net

Hello, all: I plan on playing with my old Model 1this weekend so that I can get the floppy drive working. Since I suffer from random bit-rot, can someone tell me which disk operating system shipped with the drive option? My system is a 48k Level II with the Percom controller and drive. I don't have any disks for it any more, but I was going to use the TRS81 emulator to create new disks for it. Thanks. Rich Rich Cini Collector of classic computers Build Master for the Altair32 Emulation Project Web site: http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/classiccmp/ /************************************************************/

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Disassembling a Vaxstation 2000

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Andy Berg [mailto:groovelists@yahoo.com] > The poor ST251 looks like it might be done in for... > Originally, it just clicked once when power was > applied + didn't spin up. Was able to get it to spin > up by lubing the bearings, but I think it has many I wonder how long it would last if you actually had to open the thing to lube the bearings anyway.. :) > other issues. Fails a TEST 71 (disk verification > test). Attempting to BOOT using DUA0 as default has it You could try formatting it, then verifying. I'm not sure if that will make a difference. The format command is some other test (72?) which I don't really remember the number for... > making a quiet buzzing noise for a few seconds... > then, tries to boot from ESA0, gives a ?54 RETRY, > tries ESA0 again, etc... Haven't quite gotten around Well, that part is normal. :) If the first device doesn't work, it will switch through the devices in a certain order until it gets to ESA0 at the end. > to setting up a network for it. (Could also be doing > something wrong, too - never had a chance to work with > any VAXen prior to this.) Sounds ok. Incidentally, it really will take just about any "MFM" drive you can stuff in there. You'll just need to re-format it. > Thanks again for everything - you both made things > really easy. :) No problem. 2000s are really nice little machines. I'm glad to seep people (besides me) still using them. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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LK201 specification

by flo＠uk.thalesgroup.com

LK201 specification: ftp://ftp.dbit.com/pub/pdp8/doc/lk200fs.doc This is a plain text file, not an MS Word document! The specs are also in the VT220 Technical Manual. I've not checked to see whether they are identical. - Paul

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offline drives: Re: MVII Diags Chapter 2

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Doc <doc(a)mdrconsult.com> >just show a dead drive as "offline"? > I put the original RD54 back in as drive 0 and no longer get the RQDXA >errors from the diags, but both drives 1&2, RD53s, are showing as >offline RD51s. What's up with that? > NOTE: DEC jumpers all RDxxs the same regardless of how many are on the controller {they are cable selected}. If memory is accurate All RDxx should be jumpered for #3. REPEAT ALL DRIVES ARE JUMPERED THE SAME even drive address. I assume the controller is RQDX2 or 3 and the box is BA123 with the 4 drive interface card (M9xxx). FYI: if there is a RX50 on that controller then ONLY TWO RDxx drives can be used as an RX50 uses two drive numbers. If you want three RDxx drives and a floppy then use a RX33 (TEAC FD55GFV, with correct jumpers) OR use two RQDX controllers and associated breakout cards. Watch for upside down cables and or bad cables. Allison

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test--ignore

by menadeau＠attbi.com

Michael Nadeau Editor/Publisher Classic Tech, the Vintage Computing Resource www.classictechpub.com 603-893-2379

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ZX-TEAM meeting and Webcam

by acme_ent＠bellsouth.net

> From: Hans Franke <Hans.Franke(a)mch20.sbs.de> [Tony Duell wrote] > > And the ZX81 BASIC is so unpleasant (single-key entry -- YUK!) > > Hey, I liked it! Thank you, Hans. I knew I couldn't be the only one ;>) > > Therefore it's probably as easy to start with a bare CPU chip... > > Maybe, but then you have to make a board, and at least a ZX > compatible edge connector for all the great perhipherals ... > So after all, using a ZX81 is just a cheap way to get exactly > this. Exactly. For five or ten US dollars (or free, mostly) you get an easily hacked micro with all the lines available on the expansion connector and a decent built-in BASIC if you need it. Plus 8KB of available address space in the 8-16KB region which is perfectly suited to add-ins such as NVRAM or, my favorite, a disk operating system in ROM. Glen 0/0

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Apple II/IIgs bits

by jwbirdsa＠picarefy.com

Available for postage ($3.50 in the US). Condition unknown. Hayes Micromodem II, which Google indicates is for an Apple II. Looks good. No cable, just the card. Applied Engineering Ramkeeper, which Google indicates is for a IIgs. Many of the chips are a bit scratched -- it's obviously been in a pile of boards for a while. This is supposed to be a battery-backed RAM board, but there's no RAM or battery. There's a couple places where it looks like things used to be glued to the board, and other possible damage. Probably not useful except as a source of chips (has ROM revision RK 1.7, and other chips labelled RK1A.N, RK2A.N, and RK3A.N). --James B.

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Disassembling a Vaxstation 2000

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Andy Berg [mailto:groovelists@yahoo.com] > I've had a Vaxstation 2000 sitting around here for a > bit, but I've just gotten around to tinkering with it. > Alas, the poor fellow seems to have an ill hard drive. Common problem, I think. > I've managed to get the case open, but... well, this > is rather embarassing... I can't quite seem to figure > out how to get the drive itself out. It's not easy. You'll need to remove the screws in the top of the mainboard, I think. The mainboard should then "lift out" -- probably front first, but it's been a while. Make sure that you don't bend the board. The connectors that stick out under the lip in the back of the system tend to catch on things. It will be connected to at least a power connector and a cable for the disks. Disconnect those. Remember to note their orientation. The Ethernet board, and any ram expanders will be snapped onto the main board with little plastic parts. They'll lift right out with it. All of this is from distant (a year or so) memory, so make sure I'm telling you the right thing before you try it ;) Now, the floppy and hard disk will be attached to the same set of metal plates, and those plates, IIRC, are attached to the rails that hold the drives in place. I think you need to detach the metal drive-plates from the rails, and then take the hard disk off once you have the pair of disks dislodged from the inside of the machine. IIRC, the power supply is "short" -- maybe half the height of the system cabinet -- so you should be able to get access to any screws you need to take out to loosen the above-mentioned metal plates. > I don't believe it is open at the moment, but I think > the layout inside is something like this : > ____________________ > ----Motherboard----- > -------------------- > PS | Floppy > | RD32 HD > ____________________ Kind of like that... :) > The drive is held in by at least a screw or two on the > right-hand side - I can remove those, but it is still > held in by another seeming inaccessible screw and / or > the cabling hooked up to the back of it. Again, take the mainboard out, and you'll have to remove both drives at once. :) Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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Disk controlers

by bfranchuk＠jetnet.ab.ca

BG micro ( www.bgmicro.com ) still has 765,1771,1791,1793,1795,1797,2793 and 2797 floppy disc controllers if your old machine need a new floppy disk chip. Looking at the same page they also have some old memory chips like 16kx1 drams and 1kx1 static ram. -- Ben Franchuk - Dawn * 12/24 bit cpu * www.jetnet.ab.ca/users/bfranchuk/index.html

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VT-320 Hack+Tip for Smokers

by Antonio.Carlini＠riverstonenet.com

>Maybe it's related to the age of the keyboards. All the ones I've worked >on originally came with VT220s or Bows/Pros/DECmates. I would guess the >6805 version came out later. I'm going to get this wrong here :-) but isn't the LK201 used on the VT220 (and later terminals) but the LK201 used on the Rainbow? (I guess that the Pro 380 et al. use the same keyboard as the Rainbow, but I don't have any of those). The LK201 specs are in one of the appandices that come with the VAXstation 3200 manuals (possibly in the separate VCB02 tech manual). The Rainbow tech manual almost certainly includes the LK250 spec (I have that scanned too, but it's not available anywhere yet, I think). If someone is looking to develop a PIC LK2xx implementation, it would be nice to handle both variants. Antonio

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ZX81 BASIC (was Re: ZX-TEAM meeting and Webcam)

by acme_ent＠bellsouth.net

> From: Ethan Dicks <erd_6502(a)yahoo.com> > I never liked single-key-entry BASIC because you have to "know" > what mysterious character they chose for keywords with the same > initial letter. I mean is "S" STEP? STOP? How about "O"? ON? > OPEN? Sure -- that's why the Sinclair-based systems had the keywords printed on the keys. Those of us who use alternate keyboards either have screen-printed keys, a chart glued to the keyboard, or, after 20 years of squeezing the last living cpu stroke out of these things, have simply learned them. To me, it's still easier than typing the whole keyword. An additional benefit is that it made the built-in syntax-checker possible. You simply *can't* enter a syntactically incorrect line of BASIC into a program using a ZX81. Of course, serious ZX81 programmers use very little BASIC, same as with any other machine. I'm NOT a proponent of BASIC on *any* platform, but ZX81 BASIC sure did get a lot of kids interested in computers. Ever wonder why the UK leads the world in game programming? Answer: ZX81 and the Spectrum. These machines taught kids to make the most of the hardware. The kids I know today think they're hot tuna because they can "build web pages." They've never heard of machine code and haven't a clue what an assembler or compiler is. 20 years ago, the inquisitive kids said "BASIC sucks, what's the next level?" Know what I mean? Glen 0/0

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MV-II Diags & Customer Diags

by doc＠mdrconsult.com

I've aquired a copy of each: MVII DIAG MAINT TK50 AQ-GM5AN-DN MV DIAG CUST TK50 AQ-GL5AP-DN I'm going to try using dd to generate an image for duplication tonight. If I can make a bootable duplicate from the image, and if there are no licensing issues, I'll make the images available. Any interest or comments? Doc

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ZX81 BASIC (was Re: ZX-TEAM meeting and Webcam)

by acme_ent＠bellsouth.net

> From: Tony Duell <ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk> > And the ZX81 BASIC is so unpleasant (single-key entry -- > YUK!) Hmm, I regard single-key entry as a feature . . . Glen 0/0

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DEC RC25 docs

by broth＠heathers.stdio.com

Does anyone have hardware docs for a DEC RC25 dual drive? I just received a couple and was planning to install one of them in my 11/725 but the power connectors are different. Any help would be appreciated. I am also looking for a spare CPU set for an 11/34. I'll be out of town until Sun so thanks in advance. Brian.

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VAX 6400 booting saga: SUCCESS!

by gunther＠aurora.regenstrief.org

I did it! I did it! I did it! Yeah! See for yourself: #123456789 0123456789 0123456789 01234567# F E D C B A 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 0 NODE # A A . A M M M M P P P P P P TYP o o . + + + + + + + + + + + STF . . . . . . . . E E E E E B BPD . . . . . . . . + + + + + + ETF . . . . . . . . E E E E E B BPD . . . . . . . . . + . . + + + . XBI D + . . . . . . . . . + + . + . + . XBI E + . . . . A4 A3 A2 A1 . . . . . . ILV . . . . 128 128 128 128 . . . . . . 512 Mb ROM0 = V4.00 ROM1 = V4.00 EEPROM = 2.03/4.02 SN = AG94408887 Restarting system software. Restart failed due to previous error. Loading system software. Ultrixboot - V4.5 Sun Sep 17 13:03:13 EDT 1995 Loading (a)vmunix ... Sizes: text = 1153664 data = 281088 bss = 1043548 Starting at 0x5219 ULTRIX V4.5 (Rev. 47) System #3: Wed Oct 18 11:49:00 EDT 1995 real mem = 536346624 Memory configuration adjusted to run with small system page table real mem = 5242880 avail mem = 1866752 using 128 buffers containing 524288 bytes of memory bcNode ID = 1 VAX6460, ucode rev 6, ucode opts 0, system type 0x02400101. FPA is enabled xmi 0 at address 0x21800000 xrp at xmi0 node 1 xrp at xmi0 node 2 xrp at xmi0 node 3 xrp at xmi0 node 4 xrp at xmi0 node 5 xrp at xmi0 node 6 xma at xmi0 node 7 xma at xmi0 node 8 xma at xmi0 node 9 xma at xmi0 node 10 kdm0 at xmi0 node 11 uq24 at kdm0 csr 100 vec 554, ipl 15 vaxbi13 at xmi0 node 13 xbib at vaxbi13 node 1 klesib at vaxbid node 2 failed to initialize! kdb0 at vaxbi13 node 3 uq4 at kdb0 csr 362 vec 514, ipl 15 xna0 at vaxbi13 node 6 xna0: DEC DEBNI Ethernet Interface, hardware address 08:00:2b:34:a5:ca vaxbi14 at xmi0 node 14 xbib at vaxbi14 node 1 dmb0 at vaxbi14 node 3 ci0 at vaxbi14 node 5 (CIBCA-BA) aie0 at vaxbi14 node 6 bvpssp2 at aie0 ra0 at uq24 slave 0 (RA90) tms6 at bvpssp2 slave 6 (TK70) WARNING: todr too small -- CHECK AND RESET THE DATE! Sun Jul 4 13:29:26 EDT 1976 Automatic reboot in progress... /dev/ra0a: 638 files, 5927 used, 9624 free (144 frags, 1185 blocks, 0.9% fragmen tation) /dev/rra0d: umounted cleanly check quotas: done. local daemons: syslog sendmail. Removing remnant Opser files preserving editor files clearing /tmp standard daemons: update cron accounting network snmpd printer. start errlog daemon - elcsd Sun Jul 4 13:29:44 EDT 1976 Sun Jul 4 13:29:46 1976 elcsd:datagram socket bind error ; Can't assign reques ted address Sun Jul 4 13:29:47 1976 elcsd:stream socket bind error ; Can't assign requeste d address Sun Jul 4 13:29:47 1976 elcsd:error can't open/setup main errlog file ; Sun Jul 4 13:29:47 1976 elcsd:no errlog path for backup file; Sun Jul 4 13:29:47 1976 elcsd:open/setup single user mode errlog file /syserr. phicus; ULTRIX V4.5 (Rev. 47) (phicus) login: root Sun Jul 4 13:30:01 EDT 1976 Password: ULTRIX V4.5 (Rev. 47) System #3: Wed Oct 18 11:49:00 EDT 1995 Digital Equipment Corporation Nashua, New Hampshire erase ^H, kill ^U, intr ^C # ls .new...cshrc inst opr ultrixboot .new...login install.log pcs750.bin usr .new...rhosts install.tmp real.profile usr2 .profile lib restoresymtable vmb.exe all.files lost+found sys vmunix bin mnt syserr.myname dev netload syserr.phicus etc new tmp # date Sun Jul 4 13:32:08 EDT 1976 How did I do that? Not with the boot tape, DEC has screwed that up (not supporting their supported hardware for the boot tape, duh!) The key to success really was SIMH. With SIMH I could install ULTRIX on an RA90 image. Then I simply ripped the "a" partition as a binary image (3.5 MB zipped) and moved it to the VAX 6000/VMS. The move was greatly helped by Brian Wheeler, who gave me an uVAX-II and Isildur, who gave me a TK50 for it. Although I found out a trick by which one can drive the console port of the VAX6000/VMS up to 38400 bps (simply boot the machine and VMS with NO terminal attached, not finding a signal, it bumps up the speed to 38400 and keeps it there. This allows moving 3.5 MB in a bit less than 30 minutes.) Then I simply copied that image onto the disk mounted /foreign, booted the disk and voila! First time I got it up I was so excited that I messed up the unit numbers and accidentially killed both my VMS 7.2 system and my new ULTRIX disk! Luckily I had a spare VMS 5.4 disk in reserve. In a way I'm happy I blew my VMS 7.2 disk, because its DU0 and that should become ULTRIX anyway. Now I don't need to think about backing the VMS stuff up any more! Folks, this feels sooooooo good. I have been muddling for almost one year for this moment! The next questions are, since Evi Nemeth et al. unfortunately neglect ULTRIX in their otherwise excellent book, where do I learn about such things as ULTRIX 4.5 kernel configuration? I need to build a custom kernel, but when I tried it with my 4.3 BSD knowledge of how this is done, it failed because it didn't find sources and stuff. Can someone give me a few hints? Do I have to manually copy the .o filed of the BINARY directory into my own kernel directory? There are a few options in the config file that I don't understand, is that described anywhere? Also, does anyone have experience actually building the 4.2 sources? My next steps are: - make custom ULTRIX 4.5 kernel - build the ULTRIX 4.2 system from sources - get the CI working to the MTI StingRay and the HSC90 - load a bunch of software, especially GNU stuff, gcc, emacs, bash, less ... - Install PostgreSQL - try building the JDK - get a VAX 6660 and hack support for it into ULTRIX 4.2 - load NetBSD sources and build as far as it gets and add support for XMI, KA64A, etc. and for the other machines, get the MFM drive for my uVAX formatted (need to produce a diagnostics tape for that.) Start up my VAX 11/780, turn it into a 785 and make a dual CPU machine from it. Install the PDP-8/A rack and make it going. Final question for today: is there a program that rips an exact tape image from a physical tape (TK70). I have that diagnostics tape on a TK70 but need to move it onto TK50. The TK50 drive is not happy on the TQK70 controller (or VMS isn't happy with it.) So, I need to make a binary image, move it to laptop, boot uVAX-II/NetBSD and write it on TK50. Thanks so much for all your help and advice without which I wouldn't even have started getting the VAX 6400 ins the first place, much less making it boot ULTRIX. -Gunther -- Gunther Schadow, M.D., Ph.D. gschadow(a)regenstrief.org Medical Information Scientist Regenstrief Institute for Health Care Adjunct Assistant Professor Indiana University School of Medicine tel:1(317)630-7960 http://aurora.regenstrief.org

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Disassembling a Vaxstation 2000

by groovelists＠yahoo.com

Afternoon, all! :) I've had a Vaxstation 2000 sitting around here for a bit, but I've just gotten around to tinkering with it. Alas, the poor fellow seems to have an ill hard drive. I've managed to get the case open, but... well, this is rather embarassing... I can't quite seem to figure out how to get the drive itself out. I don't believe it is open at the moment, but I think the layout inside is something like this : ____________________ ----Motherboard----- -------------------- PS | Floppy | RD32 HD ____________________ The drive is held in by at least a screw or two on the right-hand side - I can remove those, but it is still held in by another seeming inaccessible screw and / or the cabling hooked up to the back of it. Any help or recollections anyone might be able to provide would be very much appreciated! :) Thanks very much! Cheers, Andy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage http://sports.yahoo.com/

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MV-II Diags & Customer Diags

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Gunther Schadow [mailto:gunther@aurora.regenstrief.org] > own MDM tape or disk on VMS. I don't feel authorized to > redistribute either of those images. That would be software > piracy and Bill Gates, the inventor of BASIC and the graphical > user interface (and anything that's useful in computing) says > that is a bad, bad thing. I would have been in real trouble had I actually been _drinking_ that warm apple cider while I read this. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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List Managers reward. was Re: List Management - RESPONSE

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> On Sun, 17 Mar 2002, Bob Shannon wrote: > > Perhaps List members can help the list > > manger out here. > ^^^^^^ > Should that be "monger"? Let's help Jay, not a large open box or trough > in a stable. And I think that most all of us would reject calling Jay a > "mangler". Perhaps "List administrator" might side-step that issue... -dq

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Configuring ULTRIX 4.x kernel (was: Re: VAX 6400 booting saga: SUCCESS!)

by gunther＠aurora.regenstrief.org

Lord Isildur wrote: > as for configuring the kernel, it is pretty similar to the bsd convention. > i think in /usr/sys/conf/vax you find the config files, just take a > GENERIC and customize it.. the BINARY is the 'everything' kernel, meant > only to test to make sure everything there compiles properly, and then > just as in bsd, config <config file>, which leaves a directory > in /usr/sys/VAX named for the kernel you config'ed, and then in there > the usual make depend , make vmunix, and you're set. Well, yes except that it's binary only, which doesn't just work as expected. But I found out, /etc/doconfig is an interactive script that does all the magic for you. I hate to do this interactively, but at least it got me going. And it's a script, so it can be seen what it does (among others ln -s ing the BINARY/*.o files to MYKERNEL/.) But I noticed two other stange things: (1) The GENERIC kernel configuration is really neat, it just says things like (off the top of my head, don't blame me on detail errors) controller kdb50 at vaxbi? nexus? controller kdm70 at nexus? controller klesib1 at vaxbi? nexus? disk ra0 at mscp disk ra1 at mscp ... tape tms0 at mscp ... which indeed is very generic. On the other hand, the config file that doconfig builds for me is very different, having knowledge about every bit of bus, cables and unit numbers: controller kdb0 at vaxbi13 nexus3 controller uq4 at kdb50 disk ra8 at uq4 drive8 controller kdm70 at nexus11 controller uq24 at kdm70 vector uqintr disk ra0 at uq24 drive0 disk ra1 at uq24 drive1 ... controller klesib0 at vaxbi14 nexus3 controller uq22 at klesib0 vector uqintr tape tms0 at uq22 ... Why would I want to take the above kind of genericity away from and lock myself into a kernel that only works for a certain configuration of cards in slots, such that whenever I should swap a few cards, I have to boot from a reserve GENERIC kernel and rebuild? If ULTRIX can deal with "nexus?" "vaxbi?" and "mscp" kinds of generic designators, why would I, why would it want to use those overly specific ones? And what is 'uq' anyway? (2) The other little thing is that (a) ULTRIX is not Y2K complient: I haven't convinced date (or anything else) to accept a century for setting the clock and it insists on "02" being rounded up to 1970 :-). (b) I noticed the VAX 6000 has two or three AA batteries (rechargeables) in its console assembly, would they by any chance keep a real time clock running such that resetting the date isn't required all the time (yes I know about time and ntp but I don't have a reliably on machine at home nor a standing internet connection.) cheers, -Gunther - Gunther Schadow, M.D., Ph.D. gschadow(a)regenstrief.org Medical Information Scientist Regenstrief Institute for Health Care Adjunct Assistant Professor Indiana University School of Medicine tel:1(317)630-7960 http://aurora.regenstrief.org

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MV-II Diags & Customer Diags

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

FWIW, I have like 4 MVII diag tapes... Will J _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com

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FREE STUFF (Austin, TX)

by mrbill＠mrbill.net

I've got the following Sun VME boards. Free for pickup in Austin, TX; if you want me to ship any of them, you'll have to pay shipping and make it worth my while to pack them up, etc. 501 1767 - 4/6x0 memory board pic at http://www.mrbill.net/~mrbill/freestuff/tn/memoryboard.jpg.html 501 1855 - IPI controller (x4) 501 1221 - Comm Processor II 501 1203 - ALM-2 501 1217 - SCSI controller (3row DB50) (x2) pics at http://www.mrbill.net/~mrbill/freestuff/tn/vmeboards1.jpg.html And these non-Sun (I think) boards; ED5P182-30/G1 - FDDI? (has TX, RX) ED5P182-32/G1 SUN DKHS - FDDI? (has TX, RX) (x2) pics at http://www.mrbill.net/~mrbill/fddi/ I'm not going to toss them, but I do need them ALL out of the way. I've also got a Toshiba T3100 286 (I think) laptop with hard drive and 720K floppy and spiffy plasma orange screen. MUST PICKUP. WILL NOT SHIP. Makes a *great* serial terminal, because it has a REAL, full-travel keyboard. This is actually more of a "luggable"; it requires AC power. I'm asking $25 for this. pics: http://www.mrbill.net/~mrbill/laptop/ Oh - one other thing - have an 8-port DELNI AUI concentrator. Free. Bill -- Bill Bradford mrbill(a)mrbill.net Austin, TX

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Sony FDD MFD-17W-L5(MD-F17W-L5)

by seunggoo＠caltech.edu

I have Sony FDD named MFD-17W-L5(or MD-F17W-L5). It has black mounting panel and one selection switch that has 4 selections from 0 to 3. When the switch set 2, it works after booting. However, I cannot boot using this FDD. And the LED does not work during reading/writing. Please let me know how can I boot using this FDD and make LED run. My compuster is composed of super 7 M/B(PC-Chips M577) with AWADR BIOS, K6-233 CPU, and Windows 98se. Thanks...

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(fwd) cp/m-86 computers looking for a good home (fwd)

by donm＠cts.com

Please respond to drafter of email below - not to me. - don ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Message-ID: <3C963670.A59AE0AA(a)mentor.com> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 10:48:16 -0800 From: Keith Linehan <keith_linehan(a)mentor.com> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.os.cpm CC: keith_linehan(a)mentor.com Subject: cp/m-86 computers looking for a good home Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: w35d157.wv.mentorg.com X-Original-Trace: 18 Mar 2002 10:48:20 -0800, w35d157.wv.mentorg.com Lines: 39 NNTP-Posting-Host: solnews.wv.mentorg.com X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: solnews.wv.mentorg.com X-Trace: newsgw.mentorg.com 1016477303 solnews.wv.mentorg.com (18 Mar 2002 10:48:23 -0800) Path: news20!uunet!ash.uu.net!dca.uu.net!newsgw.mentorg.com!solnews.wv.mentorg.co… Xref: news20 comp.os.cpm:47990 I am in the process of gathering together all of my old cp/m-86 stuff and am looking for a good home for it, or it must all end up at the recycler or dump. I am in the Portland Oregon area. I have 3 complete systems and many many extra parts that could keep them running until the next millenium. They are of around 1982 technology. The systems consist of: CPU Unit: Tektronix 4170's with 80186/87 processors, dual 5-1/4" floppies, dual 5 meg ST506 disk drives, and 1 meg of memory, many serial ports, and one parallel and SCSI port Source code for OS, and some source code available for other programs. Software for CAD, CAM, color drawing, and even some good graphic games. SuperCalc, Wordstar, DRgraph, ReportStar, Technicad, Kermit, C-Compiler, etc. All books for software and hardware available. Display Unit: Tektronix 4107 color graphics terminals Other Stuff: outboard disk drives in cabinets pen plotter graphic input tablet dot matrix printer Please let me know if there is any interest. Thanks, Keith Linehan keith_linehan(a)mentor.com -- end of forwarded message --

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MV-II Diags & Customer Diags

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

I'll have to check... Hell, if people want me to, I'll post a list of all my DEC SW on TK50 to the list... Will J _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx

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ZX-TEAM meeting and Webcam

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Mar 18, 11:27, Hans Franke wrote: > > [1] People who used ZX81s for robotics normally added a 6116 CMOS RAM (at > > least) onto the expansion connector and removed (or at least disabled) > > the power-hungry interal RAM. > > Wasn't the ZX81 board already prepared to use a 6116 instead ? Yes, it was. I put 6116's in several. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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List Managers reward. was Re: List Management - RESPONSE

by Gary.Messick＠itt.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Shannon [mailto:bshannon@tiac.net] > Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2002 10:23 AM > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: List Managers reward. was Re: List Management - RESPONSE > > > Perhaps List members can help the list manger out here. > > I'm located in centeral Mass, and I have a 6 foot DEC rack > with a PDP 11/34a > that has Jay's name on it. > > Any ideas how we might get this machine to Jay? > > I'm headed out to Boston over the holiday weekend with a full size van. I could get it back as far as Fort Wayne, IN. Let me know! Gary ************************************ If this email is not intended for you, or you are not responsible for the delivery of this message to the addressee, please note that this message may contain ITT Privileged/Proprietary Information. In such a case, you may not copy or deliver this message to anyone. You should destroy this message and kindly notify the sender by reply email. Information contained in this message that does not relate to the business of ITT is neither endorsed by nor attributable to ITT. ************************************

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VAX 6400 booting saga: SUCCESS!

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: John Allain <allain(a)panix.com> >Awrite, now, how does a person translate a geometry to >a DEC drive type? For that matter I don't know which TEST >it is, but either way I don't imagine that the formatter has a >help option... Does it? NO help I know of. It does ask for the parameters but not in RDxx equivelent form. >I have some here but I haven't tested them because there >was no monitor with them. I have some cables and monitors >for uVaxIIGPX and uV3100 but am not sure thay are compatible >and don't want to break anything. Its a DB25 phobia. Most >listers are aware of what problems can come from expecting >compatibility between any two randomly selected DB25 items >(like printing and SCSI, for example). A DEC cable number >would be useful here. Monitor not required. You can use it with a Vt220 or equivelent. the cable needed is BC09 (it has pin 9 connected to ground). That is a nine pin cable with a 25 pin connector at the other end. VS2k pinouts and other details are on the net, try google. Allison

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urgent business/investment deal

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Sellam Ismail [mailto:foo@siconic.com] > want the job. There are too many god damned whiners on this list. Now that I can agree with. :) Let's all agree to stop whining about all of the spam now. (Sorry guys, I couldn't resist that one.) Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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List Management - RESPONSE

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Jay West [mailto:jwest@classiccmp.org] > Please read the entire message below from the list admin (who > is trying very > hard not to come out of his skin and choke someone)... I, for one, wouldn't blame you if you did. > You wrote... > > > > I don't think Jay has enough time to manage the list anymore. I > suggest > > > > we find a new operator. > What color is the sky in your world? I don't recall whether I responded to this, myself, but my response would have been along the same lines. > As a side comment - It's rather amusing that some people have > told me I do > too much, others are now telling me I do too little. Hummm Too much, in the sense of "you don't really have to do all of this?" Or too much as in "you're getting heavy handed?" I find the latter hard to believe, but would agree with the former. It's been said before, though, this is your list, no matter how much some people may like to complain about it. > For example - take a look at the subject of this thread "Big African > Grifters". Hummm ya think maybe that might be something I > wouldn't care to > read? Why did I finally see this convo? Because someone had I have to offer the observation that if everyone did this, they'd just delete all the emails with the subject "Make Money Fast@!@@!@!!!!", and this spam thing would never come up. :) Some people have a strange need to read every piece of spam that they come across, even if they're marked clearly. > the forsight to > put "list management" at the front of the subject. I submit > that most people > skim the list the same way I do, watching the subject lines > for something Well, see my comment above. ;) > on the list privately about it, and I will announce my > intended solution as > soon as I am damn well ready to commit to something. Yes, I Anyway, the point of this was to express my support of your basically doing whatever you "damn well" please with your time, resources, and mailing list. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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VAX 6400 booting saga: SUCCESS!

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: John Allain <allain(a)panix.com> >> Get a VAXstation 2000, also called RD MFM disk >> formater. The VS2k has a MFM disk formater in ROM. > >Will that work with any MFM drive geometry or only the >four RDxx types that mVAXes like? > >John A. Yes it will, however you need to supply the parameters for that where the RDxx types are already known. You should have two VS2000. They are small and they also make a fun uVAX! The second of course is for formatting media. Allison

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MVII Diags Chapter 2

by doc＠mdrconsult.com

OK, Friends & Neighbors. First, I'm starting to think that the original tape is damaged. The cptape utility suggested by Jochen seems to be Doing The Right Thing, but gets errors. dd has no qualms at all as long as the TKZ50-GA is set to a variable blocksize, but errors out on file #7. If I set "conv=noerror" for dd to ignore read errors, it saws away forever at the same file. And, if I boot the uVAX from either the original or the one "probably good" copy [1], sometimes it sees the RD53 disks as RD51. Not consistently. When it does, it hangs solid on a custom format. I'll be putting the -GA on a VMS box this evening and try the VMSTPCE copy. It makes sense to make the tape in its native OS. [1] I did get a good set of files with the TUHS cptape. Problem is that AFAICT the partner program, maketape, only understands 512*N blocksizes. The diags tape has a lot of files in 80B blocks. The good copy was made with dd, setting blocksize file by file. 82 files, that is.... Anybody remember the Bash test statement for [ FILE <larger-than> FILE] ? It would come in REAL handy, and I'm having a brain-fart. Doc

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TRS80 Model 1 question

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

Err, whatcha gonna format the media on, Doc! If memory serves... TRSDOS used delete address marks and only a system with 1771 can write it... Oops! It's possible there are later version that are cleaned in that respect. Allison -----Original Message----- From: Richard A. Cini, Jr. <rcini(a)optonline.net> To: ClassCompList <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Sunday, March 17, 2002 9:54 PM Subject: TRS80 Model 1 question Hello, all: I plan on playing with my old Model 1this weekend so that I can get the floppy drive working. Since I suffer from random bit-rot, can someone tell me which disk operating system shipped with the drive option? My system is a 48k Level II with the Percom controller and drive. I don't have any disks for it any more, but I was going to use the TRS81 emulator to create new disks for it. Thanks. Rich Rich Cini Collector of classic computers Build Master for the Altair32 Emulation Project Web site: http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/classiccmp/ /************************************************************/

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AS/400?

by skate＠ao.net

I have the same hardware as on this message but again I no idea where to start. Can anyone help me/point me as to where to start so I can start experimenting with this box?. Freddy Zapata skate(a)ao.net

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VT-320 Hack+Tip for Smokers

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

Ok, The LK201, 301 and 401 are interchangeable, regardless of the cpu used internally. There is NO VAX, Decmate, Pro version or rainbow version save for different colored key caps. I regually swap LKx01 where x={2,3,4} keyboards with any VAX, Decmate, VT220, 320, 330, 340, Pro3xx and friends. They all used the same cord set. I happen to prefer older LK201 for keyfeel, and later LK401s for the sculptured layout. The LK250 however is a TOTALLY different animal and uses different keycoding to be compatable with PCs or VAXmate (a sorta PC). There are several different cordsets for this one. Allison -----Original Message----- From: Carlini, Antonio <Antonio.Carlini(a)riverstonenet.com> To: 'classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org' <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Monday, March 18, 2002 6:24 AM Subject: RE: VT-320 Hack+Tip for Smokers >>Maybe it's related to the age of the keyboards. All the ones I've worked >>on originally came with VT220s or Bows/Pros/DECmates. I would guess the >>6805 version came out later. > >I'm going to get this wrong here :-) but >isn't the LK201 used on the VT220 (and >later terminals) but the LK201 used on the >Rainbow? (I guess that the Pro 380 et al. >use the same keyboard as the Rainbow, >but I don't have any of those). > >The LK201 specs are in one of the appandices >that come with the VAXstation 3200 manuals >(possibly in the separate VCB02 tech manual). >The Rainbow tech manual almost certainly >includes the LK250 spec (I have that scanned >too, but it's not available anywhere yet, I think). > >If someone is looking to develop a PIC LK2xx >implementation, it would be nice to handle >both variants. > >Antonio

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DEC RRD43 terminator

by alan.pearson＠cramer.com

Been googling for info on the DEC RRD43 CD drive with little success over the last couple of days. So, a couple of questions for the DEC gurus out there: Does anyone know what the various jumper settings are? I'm trying to work out how the thing is currently configured. There are two "centronics-style" connectors on the back. Do I need a terminator for one if the other's plugged into a VAXstation? What does it mean when the yellow LED flashes? At the moment I don't have a cable to hook it up so I switched it on standalone just to see what happened. The yellow LED flashes and the only way I can open the CD tray is to stick an unfolded paperclip into the release hole :-) Is this something to worry about or just due to the drive not being hooked up to the VAXstation? TIA Al.

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VT-320 Hack+Tip for Smokers

by Mzthompson＠aol.com

On Wed, 13 Mar 2002; Loboyko Steve <sloboyko(a)yahoo.com> wrote: VT320: > I noted > that there is a blanking plate on the back for the > RS-232 port - all you have are the MMJ connectors for > printer and i/o. I found out these connectors and > their crimpers are hard to find/pricey, and I didn't > want to spend a lot of money on these terminals. I > considered removing the blanking plate, putting in the > DB-25 connector (no place on my unit's PCB for one - > odd), Both the VT320 and VT420 have the blanking plate, both nowhere in the manuals for either of them is there any mention of it. My manuals all say 'North American' version of something similar. I suspect a common case, and maybe a different circuit board for those folks on the other side of the pond. Any confirmation? LK201: > I found a few of the keys didn't work right on > one of them. This is one of those conductive rubber > dome keyboards (and cheap and junky ones at that). > They ask quite a bit for them on the 'net > ("refurbished", usually meaning they blow the dirt out > with compressed air). With the LK201, blowing out the dirt is about the extent of it. The keyboard assembly is such that you can not easily disassemble it to do a good cleaning. I had a couple that were really flaky, so I decided to try an experiment. I soaked each of them in a solution for a few days, hoping to dislodge some of the deep down crud. No success. I salvaged the keycaps and disposed of the rest. > I can find better PC keyboards new for around $4.99. If you mean as in 'Wintel', they are not compatable. > What to do. 1) I got a stack of untested LK201's. Stop by (Indiana) and pick a couple up. 2) Try an LK401 instead. Being newer than an LK201, I have only ran across one flaky one. The nice thing about the LK401 is that you can tear down, clean, and reassemble one in a reasonable amount of time. > Well, I cut off > about 3/16" of a cigarette filter (with the paper on) > and put it in the tube above the torn dome connector. > I trimmed it a bit after testing the feel of the key, > and it works rather well, especially for my typing > style (not particularly speedy and somewhat ham-fisted). An imaginative fix! Ok folks, let's empty our ashtrays and ship our butts off to Steve. ;^) Mike

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