- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

Hi, The boards I have are: assy pn40827-05 rev-6 (has 3 82s181 proms on top edge) assy 40505 rev-C (has crystal and berg connector on top) Building a cpu is anything but practical... why should modding this? ;) Allison -----Original Message----- From: Loboyko Steve <sloboyko(a)yahoo.com> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Friday, April 05, 2002 1:47 AM Subject: Re: Core Memory Interfacing? > >I have the Xerox Hytype II service manual with >schematics of the infamous Logic I and II boards, >several versions. Let me know the Board #'s and etch >and if I got 'em, I can scan them. I used to repair >these printers (mostly at a board level) in a previous >life. > >I don't know if making them into your own CPU would be >practical but there sure is a lot to learn on these >two boards...even now. > >--- "Peter C. Wallace" <pcw(a)mesanet.com> wrote: >> On Thu, 4 Apr 2002, ajp166 wrote: >> >> > From: Peter C. Wallace <pcw(a)mesanet.com> >> > > >> > >Hytype IIs also use a 8 bit TTL based microcoded >> machine (IICRC they use >> > >74LS283 adders, 74LS170 register file chips, >> along with bipolar >> > PROMS)... >> > > >> > >> > >> > I have a few of those boards... Wich I had the >> correct prints for the >> > board numbers >> > I do have. Could be fun to bend them into a >> general purpose 8bitter. >> > >> > Allison >> > >> > >> > >> >> I remember playing with that idea many many years >> ago. I dont think it has >> much of an address range though... >> >> >> >> Peter Wallace >> > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax >http://taxes.yahoo.com/ >

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CP/M and Imsai

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Hans Franke <Hans.Franke(a)mch20.sbs.de> > >> Is a good thing. The extensions are very fine. > >Gaby is very determinated wehn it comes to CP/M. >Girls ... :) We can't do math but we seem to gravitate to CP/M. ;) It's still a favorite as it does have a decent filesystem and is fully understandable without reading source code. Allison

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Software Preservation (was: SIMTEL...)

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Zane H. Healy <healyzh(a)aracnet.com> > >I've already become convinced the only practical way to preserve it is onto >live filesystems that are regularly backed up. I do that. Further I usually use a SET or drives if they are the fixed media as then if one fails the other unpowered twin is valid. SCSI RZ2x and 5x drives are handy for that though I also use RD52s, and ST225s. Allison

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Shoddy Hardware (Was: Re: WW fixtures (was Re: "New" PDP-8))

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Chad Fernandez <fernande(a)internet1.net> >I've read about bolt types on Brit bikes a bit. It seems that they had >a variety of things they called Whitworth. > >Chad Fernandez >Merle K. Peirce wrote: >> That's because you had the wrong wrenches. I've always wanted to have >> someone ask me for a half-inch wrench and hand him a Whitworth >> half-inch. I think there's a set in the Rover. Whitworth were decimal inch sizes. I have a set from about 30 years back along with metric and fractional inch sizes. What I dont have is a pair of vise grips, feh! Allison

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PS/2 - E

by csmith＠amdocs.com

I have a PS/2 - E. It's a little tiny 80387(?) with a 387 math coprocessor. Four PCMCIA slots, and a floppy drive. Integrated video, parallel and serial. 1.4M floppy, and unknown(right now) hard drive. Does anyone know anything about it? What can I do with it? Will OS/2 work? What interface does the hard drive use, BTW? What are my chances of getting BSD or linux to drive the PCMCIA slots? Anything else I should know about this one? Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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Harris Model 8 CPU

by aek＠spies.com

Does anyone have any docs on the Harris 24 bit line (or the Datacraft 6024?) Considering there are still H-series machines in use, I've not been able to turn up much at all on them.

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Shoddy Hardware (Was: Re: WW fixtures (was Re: "New" PDP-8))

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On April 4, Tony Duell wrote: > > I can stuff it in my front side pocket with reflector end sticking > > out. Doesn't feel uncomfortable. > > Do you guys have small pockets or something? I've carried things a lot > larger than a 2*AA maglite in my pocket. Is that a maglite in your pocket, or... -Dave -- Dave McGuire "I thought it would go quickly, St. Petersburg, FL that rubberized bottom..." -Sridhar

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[was: RE: The Future End of Classic Computing]

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

> From: Chris > .... > F-ing scary! > > Remember, this is the country that awarded 3 million dollars to a lady > because she put her hot coffee in her lap, and then spilled it... and was > able to sue McDonalds because the coffee was too hot and it burned her > (yes, there is more to that story, but the fact that she was even able to > get to trial is just f-ed up... where is the personal responsibility in > this country?!?) > > -chris > <rant> Amen brother! C'mon who, in their right mind, would put a _paper_ cup full of hot coffee between their legs while in a car! That chick has to some kind of moron! Are people afraid of taking responsibility for their actions? Geez, they only claim it when it's for their benefit, or when the result is good. Otherwise, it's the other guy's fault... </rant> Sorry about that. Had to get it off my chest... --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 Mac OS X 10.1.2 - Darwin Kernel Version 5.2: Fri Dec 7 21:39:35 PST 2001 Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash

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Shoddy Hardware (Was: Re: WW fixtures (was Re: "New"""

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On April 4, Chad Fernandez wrote: > >>They _are_ incredible. And since we're on the "Stupid Laws and > >>Legislators" kick this week, here's another one. I can't verify it, > >>though. One of Austin's City Councilmen wanted to draft an > >>ordinance against carrying the LED flashlights, as they could > >>be used as a "stunner" in robberies, rapes, etc. The word I got, > >>from a stenographer, was that he was temporarily blinded by one. > >>The one he had in his own hand, that is. He was looking at it in > >>the store, pointed it at his face, and, yes, you guessed it, > >>pushed the button. What a maroon. These are the dolts who get > >>to decide what I can and cannot do. > > What's an LED flashlight? Do you mean one of thelaser pointers? No, an LED flashlight. ;) See http://www.photonlight.com. -Dave -- Dave McGuire "I thought it would go quickly, St. Petersburg, FL that rubberized bottom..." -Sridhar

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Shoddy Hardware (Was: Re: WW fixtures (was Re: "New"""

by dquebbeman＠acm.org

> > While we're on flashlights I really should rave again > > for white LED ones. My favorite can cast a 150 > > degree solid pyramid of pure white light, absent of > > any filament artifacts, for 10 hours off one 9v battery. > > If you turn it down 1 notch, you get 100 hours life. > > These things are incredible. > > They _are_ incredible. And since we're on the "Stupid Laws and > Legislators" kick this week, here's another one. I can't verify it, > though. One of Austin's City Councilmen wanted to draft an > ordinance against carrying the LED flashlights, as they could > be used as a "stunner" in robberies, rapes, etc. The word I got, > from a stenographer, was that he was temporarily blinded by one. > The one he had in his own hand, that is. He was looking at it in > the store, pointed it at his face, and, yes, you guessed it, > pushed the button. What a maroon. These are the dolts who get > to decide what I can and cannot do. An officeholder elected by your neighbors... The tyranny of kings is nothing compared to the tyranny of the majority... -Douglas Hurst Quebbeman (DougQ at ixnayamspayIgLou.com) [Call me "Doug"] Surgically excise the pig-latin from my e-mail address in order to reply "The large print giveth, and the small print taketh away." -Tom Waits

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Shoddy Hardware (Was: Re: WW fixtures (was Re: "New""

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On April 4, John Allain wrote: > While we're on flashlights I really should rave again > for white LED ones. My favorite can cast a 150 > degree solid pyramid of pure white light, absent of > any filament artifacts, for 10 hours off one 9v battery. > If you turn it down 1 notch, you get 100 hours life. > These things are incredible. I second this. I now use them exclusively, while my trusty Maglite sits in a drawer. I use Photon lights, http://www.photon.com, and I like them a *lot*. If you like to use flashlights to peer into machines and such, and like the idea of having a tiny but astoundingly bright one to carry with you everywhere along with your wallet or house keys, this is the way to go. (not an employee, just a satisfied customer, yadda yadda) -Dave -- Dave McGuire "I thought it would go quickly, St. Petersburg, FL that rubberized bottom..." -Sridhar

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Amish Virus

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

AMISH VIRUS: Thou have just received the Amish Virus. Since we do not have electricity nor computers, thou art on the honor system. Please delete all of thine files. Thank thee.

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Core Memory Interfacing?

by bill＠timeguy.com

Right off, let me say that I know next to nothing about the realities of using core memory. I only know that it looks like pretty cool stuff to play with. Would I be completely off my tree to try to build a core memory interface from scratch, assuming I had a pre-strung core frame with all the cores and wires intact? When I say "interface", I mean basically something that will let me talk to the core from a PC or from my recently-completed Mark-8 using TTL or CMOS levels. If I have a 64x64 frame, would I just need something on the order of 256 driver transistors (one to drive each of the X and Y wires in either direction) plus some kind of op-amp or comparator circuit to monitor the sense wire (is there just one of these per frame?) and determine whether or not a bit has flipped during a read pulse? Or are there all sorts of ghosts and goblins lurking in core memory that I don't want to confront?

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DSD-440 manual needed

by aek＠spies.com

> I really need a copy of the manual for a Data Systems Design DSD-440 I scanned it yesterday. It should be up at www.spies.com/aek/pdf/dsd later today. I'm interested in finding other DSD product manuals to add to the archive, also. I should have the Multibus disc/tape manual somewhere.

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Shoddy Hardware (Was: Re: WW fixtures (was Re: "New""

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

> From: Douglas H. Quebbeman > > > At 07:19 PM 4/3/02 +0000, you wrote: > > >Yes, I did know there's second bi-pin bulb held in place of red > > >holder in Maglite's end cap hidden under that spring. > > >Cheers, > > >Wizard > > > > Hmmm; I'm another magliter, especially the solitaire (1AAA) model. > > They're great for looking in dark, recessed spots in old computers :-). > > I got my Solitaire free by answering a survey from ADP back when I > was self-employed. I explained I didn't have a staff, but the caller said > that didn't mind. > > I find the bulbs only lose lifespan when you drop the flashlight a > time or two.. they simply aren't shock-resistant. > > -dq > > - Well, I keep a 2 AA size Maglite in each of my two toolboxes, and a 3 D cel Mag under the front seat of my truck. It does pretty good for some hammer type work... --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 Mac OS X 10.1.2 - Darwin Kernel Version 5.2: Fri Dec 7 21:39:35 PST 2001 Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash

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OT: Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you.

by Robert_Feldman＠jdedwards.com

One more reason to stick to classic hardware/software: http://www.msnbc.com/news/732958.asp?0dm=C18MT&cp1=1#BODY "A California company has quietly attached its software to millions of downloads of the popular Kazaa file-trading program and plans to remotely turn on people's PCs, welding them into a new network of its own."

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"Re: Shoddy Hardware (Was: Re: WW fixtures (was Re: "New" PDP-8))"

by dquebbeman＠acm.org

> I'm just crazy enough! And if that doesn't scare you... I'll > beat you with this airline pillow! "Nooooooooooobody expects the Spanish Inquisition! Our chief weapons are fear, torture, and a ruthless and fanatical devotion to the Pope... And now.... bring out, the cushy airline pillow!" ROFL! -Douglas Hurst Quebbeman (DougQ at ixnayamspayIgLou.com) [Call me "Doug"] Surgically excise the pig-latin from my e-mail address in order to reply "The large print giveth, and the small print taketh away." -Tom Waits

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Harris Model 8 CPU

by geoff＠pkworks.com

I got a phone call early this morning from one Harry Landis, a surplus dealer in Foxboro, MA, who knows I like old computers. He has eight boards from a Harris Model 8 CPU, said to be used in their 60, 600 and 700 systems, including the two board CPU. He wanted to know if I wanted them. I said no, but that I'd check around - hence this e-mail. I've not seen the boards and do not know their condition, nor do I know what Harry wants for them (and, no, I'm not financially involved in this in any way), but if anyone's interested give Harry a call at 508-285-7568.

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Shoddy Hardware (Was: Re: WW fixtures (was Re: "New""

by mythtech＠mac.com

>While we're on flashlights I really should rave again >for white LED ones. My favorite can cast a 150 >degree solid pyramid of pure white light, absent of >any filament artifacts, for 10 hours off one 9v battery. >If you turn it down 1 notch, you get 100 hours life. >These things are incredible. I have one of those squeeze model LED ones clipped to my keys. Works nicely for temp lighting (the squeeze and hold activation makes it a bit hard to use for long term lighting). It was marketed as a "white LED", but it definitely casts a blue tint in my opinion. Not enough to off set colors to an indistinguishable point, but enough to tell that it looks blue. I use the thing all the time when glancing for wires in a dropped ceiling, or when looking into the dark corners in or behind a computer case (just to bring it on topic). Overall, not bad for a $3 item (actually, I got it free as a gift, but have seen it sold for $3) -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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ibm thinkpad parts

by clillie1＠socal.rr.com

IN STOCK DEALS!! 02K6900 IBM TP 1400 ac adapter 350 20.00 new 10L1259 IBM TP 770Z system board 50 150.00 new 12J1944 IBM TP 365x keyboard 403 10.00 new 12J2005 IBM TP 770 keyboard assembly/unit 500 15.00 new 30L2533 IBM TP 770x system board 59 150.00 new 30L2736 IBM TP 570 system board 140 145.00 new 08K3315 IBM TP A20m system board Celeron 200 280.00 ref 13P3156 IBM TP A20m sys board PIII 750 150 355.00 new 10L1353 IBM TP SYS BD TP600X 2645 3 350.00 NEW 02k6639 IBM TP 570 BATTERY LITH/ION 30 35.00 NEW PA2450U Toshiba AC ADAPTER TECRA 530 550 8000 P7000 100 29.00NEW 29H9395 KEYBOARD IBM TP 760C/CD /ED 760EL/ L/LD 300 10.00NEW 29H9226 11.1 TFT LCD IBM TP 760C/CD /ED 760EL/ L/LD 100 26.00NEW 45H5735 12.1 TFT LCD IBM TP 760C/CD /ED 760EL/ L/LD 100 28.00NEW 19K5686 IBM IEEE 1394 PCMCIA CARD BUS 200 28.00NEW DDYS-T36950 IBM 36.7 GB 10K RPM P/N 07N3235 100 225.00NEW SOLID TECHNOLOGY 1599 Superior Ave. A2 Costa Mesa, CA 92627 949-646-2181 / FAX 949-646-2185 call for your ibm think pad system boards 949-646-2181 <www.solidtechnology.net> all ibm think pad parts in stock

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Enhanced DRI PL/I-86 Compiler Available

by dquebbeman＠acm.org

> > Some of those I copied to Tim! I was useing them back when > > to build mine, from the emergence of V2.2 on. > > > >http://www.retroarchive.org/cpm/archive/unofficial/ > > > Da place! > > Isn't > > http://www.gaby.de/cpm/index.html > > more like the official unofficial web site ? A couple of years ago, I put some finishing touches on a project I began back in 1988, when I got a copy of the DRI PL/I-86 compiler. Back then, it wasn't the freeware that it is today. But of course, today, you can download it from either of the two sites above. My goal was to modify it so that it one could use the Microsoft linker and librarian instead of the DRI linker and librarian; with this change it would be possible to mix object modules from other Microsoft-compatible compilers. Also, I wanted to revise and extend the runtime system. I completed most everything except providing access to DOS environment variables. But the DATE() and TIME() BIFs work as they should, and you can pass the command line arguments by defining them as arguments to main() much as in C. DRI and Microsoft both used the Intel OMF format for the object files, so it wasn't hard. But like many projects, it just got stalled for along time. I recently packaged it up and forwarded it to Peter Flass, noted PL/I advocate who's omnipresent on comp.lang.pli. He's going to include it in some archive, but didn't mention which. You may or may not end up seeing at the two above sites. But if anyone out there is interested in it, you can also obtain it directly from me. Regards, -dq -Douglas Hurst Quebbeman (DougQ at ixnayamspayIgLou.com) [Call me "Doug"] Surgically excise the pig-latin from my e-mail address in order to reply "The large print giveth, and the small print taketh away." -Tom Waits

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Apple II 13-sector disks

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Feb 26, 8:50, Sellam Ismail wrote: > On Tue, 26 Feb 2002, Paul R. Santa-Maria wrote: > > > I have received a box of old Apple II disks including a bunch of 13-sector > > disks. It would be quicker if I could directly boot these disks instead > > of using BOOT13 or the Basics disk. Does anyone here still have the > > 13-sector boot PROMs for the Disk II controller card? These are small > > 256-byte PROMs; can anyone here burn them if I cannot find originals? > > I've been searching for years and I don't think I've ever even seen a > 13-sector disk controller. Just about everybody updated their old > 13-sector boot controller when the 16-sector version came out. > > I think I may actually have the 13-sector boot PROMs but where they are I > wouldn't know. > > Here's an idea: boot trace the BOOT13 disk and grab the code from it. > It's most likely just the old 13-sector disk controller PROM code. > Alternatively, if you have a copy of the original Apple disk/DOS manual > you'll find the 13-sector PROM code there. Take this code and burn it > into a PROM and swap it with the correct PROM on the 16-sector controller > and it should work. As Sellam implies, it's only the boot PROM (P5) you need to change, not the state machine PROM (P6). I have a card somewhere with BOTH sets, switch selectable, but I haven't seen it for a while. The oher way to use the 13-sector disks is to make converted copies with MUFFIN. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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2016 (was: ZX81 and 6116)

by acme_ent＠bellsouth.net

> From: Hans Franke <Hans.Franke(a)mch20.sbs.de> > So it looks as if ZX 81s are a good source to get 2016s ? Arrrrrrrrgggggggggghhhhhhhhh! Would you really trash a ZX81 to get a US$2.00 part which is commonly available??? If you decide to go through with such a plan, will you please save the leftover ZX81 parts? Certain parts of these things are becoming very hard to find. I'll pay the freight if you send them to me! If you don't want to send them out of Germany please give them to deserving ZX-TEAM members near you! Glen 0/0

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CP/M and Imsai

by dquebbeman＠acm.org

> I started working for Science Dynamics in 1972. The company had been around > for about five years when I joined. After I left in 81 the company was > bought by McDonald Douglas (I think). McDonald Douglas had it for a while ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Unless this is a new food franchise in airports, I think you mean McDonnell-Douglas... ;) -Douglas Hurst Quebbeman (DougQ at ixnayamspayIgLou.com) [Call me "Doug"] Surgically excise the pig-latin from my e-mail address in order to reply "The large print giveth, and the small print taketh away." -Tom Waits

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The Future End of Classic Computing

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Wayne M. Smith [mailto:wmsmith@earthlink.net] > > > that enable others to engage in mass distribution. > Doesn't it make as much sense to go after those involved in "mass > distribution" > > > of the circumvention device, such as DeCSS? > > Owning the equipment to comit a crime (especially if that > equipment has > > legitimate uses) is not (or at least should not) be equivalent to > > comitting that crime. > I don't diagree with you, but read again what I said -- > "distribution" not "ownership." To punish someone for distributing equipment which could be used to commit a crime is just as ludicrous. It does not matter whether the alleged crime involves a computer or not. You don't punish people for selling rat poison, kitchen utensils, notebook paper, or photocopiers, do you? What about panty-hose and ski-masks -- I hear those are used in crime a lot! :) When will we have the digital millennium hosiery act? It would be absolutely idiotic to punish someone for distributing software which _might_ be used to illegally copy things to some other media. You may as well put Fred in jail for Xenocopy, in fact ;) Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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"Re: Shoddy Hardware (Was: Re: WW fixtures (was Re: "New""

by dquebbeman＠acm.org

> At 07:19 PM 4/3/02 +0000, you wrote: > >Yes, I did know there's second bi-pin bulb held in place of red > >holder in Maglite's end cap hidden under that spring. > >Cheers, > >Wizard > > Hmmm; I'm another magliter, especially the solitaire (1AAA) model. > They're great for looking in dark, recessed spots in old computers :-). I got my Solitaire free by answering a survey from ADP back when I was self-employed. I explained I didn't have a staff, but the caller said that didn't mind. I find the bulbs only lose lifespan when you drop the flashlight a time or two.. they simply aren't shock-resistant. -dq -Douglas Hurst Quebbeman (DougQ at ixnayamspayIgLou.com) [Call me "Doug"] Surgically excise the pig-latin from my e-mail address in order to reply "The large print giveth, and the small print taketh away." -Tom Waits

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The Future End of Classic Computing

by dquebbeman＠acm.org

> Ethan Dicks wrote: > > > > DOWN WITH FRED! EVIL PURVEYOR OF ILLEGAL TOOLS OF CRIME!!! FIE! FIE! > > > > Fire up the molten iron vats! > > Hmm Tar and Feathers must have gone out of style. :) And it's pretty hard to run someone out of town on a rail when hardly anyone knows how to make s split-rail fence anymore... ...and Grampa forgot to show me... <sniff!> -dq -Douglas Hurst Quebbeman (DougQ at ixnayamspayIgLou.com) [Call me "Doug"] Surgically excise the pig-latin from my e-mail address in order to reply "The large print giveth, and the small print taketh away." -Tom Waits

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Strange idea in VAX

by Antonio.Carlini＠riverstonenet.com

>But does OpenVMS/vax support USB? No but since you're doing a PCI driver, a USB driver should be a breeze. Having a Qbus framebuffer and a USB keyboard and mouse would be fun :-) Now that I look I don't see any PCI widgets for the VAX 7000/10000 or the DEC 7000/10000. So I think PCI and TRUBOchannel are pipe-dreams. Pity, they would have been the easiest ways to get a framebuffer. Now if you get a TurboLaser (AlphaServer 8200/8400) they *do* have PCI expansion available, so you could do PCI graphics there. Possibly even multiple graphics heads :-) Antonio

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CP/M and Imsai

by caprio＠dcms.com

>On Wed, 3 Apr 2002, Don Caprio wrote: > >> Any ex employee's of Science Dynamics (Torrance, Ca) out there? Jeff, Neil, >> Ralph, Dave, and Less are you there? > >I know of a Science Dynamics in New Jersey that does inmate telephone >systems. Is this a genuine coincidence or is it possibly the same >company? > >http://www.scidyn.com/ I started working for Science Dynamics in 1972. The company had been around for about five years when I joined. After I left in 81 the company was bought by McDonald Douglas (I think). McDonald Douglas had it for a while ran it into the ground and then it was repurchased by the Ex-CEO. Don't know what happened to it after that. > Science Dynamics Corporation (SciDyn) has been developing and delivering > technologically advanced telecommunication solutions for years. The name > SciDyn may be new to you, but weve been in business now for 25 years. Our > solutions are installed in 18 countries around the world and currently > process more than 250 million minutes per month. I'm sure the common names are just a coincidence.

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When programming is outlawed, only outlaws will program

by dquebbeman＠acm.org

> > On Wed, 3 Apr 2002, Doc wrote: > > > > You may as well put Fred in jail for Xenocopy, in fact ;) > > > They probably will, very soon. :( > > > > Did John Draper write "Easy Writer" WHILE he was in jail? > > Now, that's the story he told me ... or well, at least > what my memory tells me he said. I'm geting old. Here's an early reference, from the comments of the source code to FIG-FORTH 1.1 dated 17-September-1979, one year after I met him on exit from Harrisville: ; APPLE FORTH BY CapN' SOFTWARE $40.00 ; EASYWRITER (word processor for APPLE ; by CapN' SOFTWARE) $100.00 So it appears it was an Apple II package before it was an IBM package. -dq -Douglas Hurst Quebbeman (DougQ at ixnayamspayIgLou.com) [Call me "Doug"] Surgically excise the pig-latin from my e-mail address in order to reply "The large print giveth, and the small print taketh away." -Tom Waits

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Computers Manufactured in 1986

by Huw.Davies＠kerberos.davies.net.au

At 12:23 PM 2/04/2002 -0600, Christopher Smith wrote: >A VAX-11/780 (...but what would I run on it? It would have to be >RSTS/E, since VMS 1.0 hadn't been released, probably.) I thought that VMS was ready and shipped with all VAX-11/780s. We ran VMS on the VAX that was shipped to La Trobe University in either late 1979 or very early 1980. From dim memory, it was running V1.5. Huw Davies | e-mail: Huw.Davies(a)kerberos.davies.net.au | "If God had wanted soccer played in the | air, the sky would be painted green"

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Computers Manufactured in 1986

by torquil＠rockbridge.net

What are some good old computers manufactured in 1986?

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Shoddy Hardware (Was: Re: WW fixtures (was Re: "New" PDP-8))

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

As someone that runs a P166 on an ASUS board in a higher end case that can hold and run 3 RX56s{5.25" full height} and not melt, I would say better gives better. FYI: it's a 24/7 box that I rely on to work and it does quite well with NT4. Good PCs can be built but, you do have to work at it. Allison

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IBM 3192s

by pat＠cart-server.purdueriots.com

I've got a pair of them sitting here, looking for a home. They seem to power up, but don't display anything. Just looking for enough to buy me a lunch + shipping. Also have for dispersal: StorageTek 2920 9-track PERTEC interface tape drive, might need a new head, otherwise completely functional. $5 + shipping -- It's 150lbs and rackmount - about 24"Hx18"Wx12"D If no one wants it, it'll end up as scrap. UPS/FedEx/USPS won't ship this I'm sure. Mac Quadra 610, Mac IIci, Quadra 700. $10ea OBO. Apple //e. One has Disk ][ interface + 1 drive + 64k RAM expansion card, one has Duodisk interface and drive. I'm willing to give out as much of these as wanted. $5 each, what I paid for it, + shipping. Thanks for supporting your local poor college student. -- Pat

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CP/M and Imsai

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

>I made a quick mirror of it a couple of years ago when it looked like it >might vanish. Since Gaby is doing such a good job, I necer saw fit to >keep the mirror at retroarchive.org updated. Tim was kind enough at that time to send me his master for that site on Cdrom... faster than DSL. ;) Gaby is doing a great job. Allison

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DEC part aniti-static matt?

by fernande＠internet1.net

Hello Listers, Awhile back I scrapped/recycled/trashed an R400X DSSI expansion chassis. Between the steel back cover a back of the backplane, I found a plastic sheet, part number 7438980-01 rev. c01g?r0? The question marks follow guesses on smeared digits.... My question is this: Could this succesfully be used as an anti-static work surface? It doesn't seem to attract lint like I would expect, which makes me wonder. Maybe it was simply to protect the backplane from shorting? Would I be better off using a sheet of cardboard? It would be nice to have something to lay cards on while sorting/re-assembling/etc. Chad Fernandez Michigan, USA

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The Future End of Classic Computing

by mythtech＠mac.com

>(greedy self interest note: anybody know how I can keep a > copy of the MR trailer on my PC for repeated viewing?) Rumor has it (haven't gotten around to trying, as most trailers suck anyway), if it is streamed with QuickTime, and you have the QuickTime 4.0 or earlier player, you can bypass their anti-save ability. Also, I know a number of the non savable streams become saveable in QuickTime 5.0 IF it is registered as a Pro version. Humm... better send Apple's QT team to jail, sounds like they are releasing software that can bypass copy protection. :-) -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Shoddy Hardware (Was: Re: WW fixtures (was Re: "New""

by dquebbeman＠acm.org

> > > PCB boards, cheap dykes of various sizes. I used to have > ^^^^^^^^^^^ > > This one was just *too* good to let go past :-) As you might expect, this requires a lot of social engineering... ;)

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Shoddy Hardware (Was: Re: WW fixtures (was Re: "New" PDP-8))

by blacklord＠telstra.com

----- Original Message ----- From: "Douglas H. Quebbeman" <dquebbeman(a)acm.org> Date: Thursday, April 4, 2002 10:25 am Subject: Re: Shoddy Hardware (Was: Re: WW fixtures (was Re: "New" PDP- 8)) > PCB boards, cheap dykes of various sizes. I used to have ^^^^^^^^^^^ This one was just *too* good to let go past :-) cheers! ---------------- Powered by telstra.com

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Anyone know where I can find a FAQ...

by steven_j_robertson＠hotmail.com

The MPE news group is quite active. A lot of helpful people participate in that group. The OS documentation is available at docs.hp.com . Hardware related info is harder to come by. Good luck, SteveRob >From: Frank McConnell <fmc(a)reanimators.org> >Reply-To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org >To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org >Subject: Re: Anyone know where I can find a FAQ... >Date: 03 Apr 2002 16:08:35 -0800 > >Sridhar the POWERful <vance(a)ikickass.org> wrote: > > ...for MPE/iX? > >http://www.3k.com/faq/hpfaqi.html > >The HP3000-L mailing list (gatewayed to newsgroup comp.sys.hp.mpe) is >a good place to ask HP3000-related questions. > >-Frank McConnell _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com

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Shoddy Hardware (Was: Re: WW fixtures (was Re: "New" PDP-8))

by dquebbeman＠acm.org

> > Tony, > > As hard as it may be to envision, I bet _most_ of the subscribers to > > this list do not own tap & die sets. Many probably own only one hammer, > > People here don't have soldering irons, they don't have tap and die sets. > What the heck do they use to repair computers (;-) in case you're wondering). Once upon a time, when I worked as a programmer for an hourly wage, with time-and-half for overtime, and lived rent-free, I was able to acquire a reasonable set of tools, but most of them were for the other hobby, working on my Audi's. But I do have a logic probe, a RatShack-labeled Ungar iron, heating elements up to 43 watts (glows red!), and lots of TTL parts, etc. No scope, no analyzer, nothing esoteric. But a breadboard, a manual wirewrap tool, a few spools of wirewrap, protoboards, some material for making cheap PCB boards, cheap dykes of various sizes. I used to have heat sinks, IC pullers, two rechargeable Wahl irons (well, I still have one). But now I mostly have a salary that grows 1% behind the rate of inflation and a mortgage that consumes most of the cash, with food coming in second. So, debugging hardware ofen involves totems, incense, etc. Or lots and lots of "remove and replace"... ;)

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Anyone know where I can find a FAQ...

by vance＠ikickass.org

...for MPE/iX? Peace... Sridhar

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Anyone know where I can find a FAQ...

by fmc＠reanimators.org

Sridhar the POWERful <vance(a)ikickass.org> wrote: > ...for MPE/iX? http://www.3k.com/faq/hpfaqi.html The HP3000-L mailing list (gatewayed to newsgroup comp.sys.hp.mpe) is a good place to ask HP3000-related questions. -Frank McConnell

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Core Memory Interfacing?

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Douglas H. Quebbeman <dquebbeman(a)acm.org> >The Hazeltine 2000 is a 1972-era computer terminal. It used core >memory, but did not have a microprocesor, and therefore, no >software. > >So at least the Hazeltine did it in hardware. As did the VT52 and a slew of others. >When you'd turn it back on, it usually lost some bits, but you >would always bring up the last screen that had been displayed, >if someone didn't explicitly clear it. Not the kind of terminal >to use in secure installtions... Later ones had a power on circuit to effectively punch the clear button. Allison

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DSD-440 manual needed

by mranalog＠attbi.com

I really need a copy of the manual for a Data Systems Design DSD-440. If I knew what I was doing I would just ask for the switch and jumper settings, but that's not the case. I would like to get a copy of the entire manual. If someone has the manual scanned already, I can take 2MB email attachments. --Doug ========================================= Doug Coward @ home in Poulsbo, WA Analog Computer Online Museum and History Center http://dcoward.best.vwh.net/analog Analogrechner, calculateur analogique, calcolatore analogico, analoogrekenaar, komputer analogowy, analog bilgisayar, kampiutere ghiyasi, analoge computer. =========================================

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OT: Dell Quality

by dquebbeman＠acm.org

> PS: Oh, Your dept who bought up that 25 dells made serious > *mistake*. Only way dept can depend on them running w/ replacement > parts is dell's especially their power supplies and few oddball > boards. PSUs are totally non-standard pinouts. Oh, your dept also > didn't choose AMD and let dell know everybody else wanted > quality but flexible choices in different brands of CPUs instead > of Intel-only. Oh, I pitched MicronPC, but no one here has ever heard of them... But anyway, it's irrelevant. Every machine will be obsolete in three years, and every machine has a three-year next-day- response service contract. When the three years is up, we buy new ones and give the old ones to employees. Oh, and the only thing we've ever had go bad in Dells: * company president drops laptop and kills it * construction administrator packs one in overhead storage on plane and crushes screen * Western Digital Hard Drive failed in a new Dimension * Sony tape library jammed and replaced with another Sony * Seagate SCSI drive in PowerEdge Server RAID 5 array *will* fail * user killed mouse and lied, Dell replaced anyway * sysadmin ordered white keyboard for black computer, asked for swap, Dell sent back keyboard free And while Micron's would be nice, I'll do *anything* to avoid buying Hewcom Pacqward... -dq -Douglas Hurst Quebbeman (DougQ at ixnayamspayIgLou.com) [Call me "Doug"] Surgically excise the pig-latin from my e-mail address in order to reply "The large print giveth, and the small print taketh away." -Tom Waits

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Shoddy Hardware (Was: Re: WW fixtures (was Re: "New" PDP-8))

by dquebbeman＠acm.org

> -> I assume everyone knows what casting flash is... these screws > -> have casting flash... > > Look closely. It is not casting flash. Screws aren't cast. > As mentioned in an earlier post, the heads and threads are > made by pressing (deformation) of a rod. > > When the form dies wear, are improperly secured, or are misaligned, > the result is "extruded squish", not "casting flash". <insert Ewok worship sound emoticon here> I stand corrected. -dq -Douglas Hurst Quebbeman (DougQ at ixnayamspayIgLou.com) [Call me "Doug"] Surgically excise the pig-latin from my e-mail address in order to reply "The large print giveth, and the small print taketh away." -Tom Waits

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Computers Manufactured in 1986

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On April 2, Christopher Smith wrote: > > What wonderful machines these are. The first ones, though, shipped > > with 10MB drives, not 40MB, and it was SYSVR2, not 3. > > I don't doubt the 10M disk, but I've never seen anything below 3.0 for it. > > I have 3.5 on mine, with a 3.0 dev kit. That's not the UNIX SysV "release" number, that's the UnixPC 7300 OS version number...like Solaris2.x is SysVR4, but there's version 2.7, 2.8, 2.9, etc. The UnixPC 7300/3B1 OS base is definitely SysVR2. -Dave -- Dave McGuire "I thought it would go quickly, St. Petersburg, FL that rubberized bottom..." -Sridhar

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some what OT: FW: Adios, Internet Radio

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

More US Government running amok! Joe >Subject: Adios, Internet Radio > > >========================================================= >-------- ENEWS AND VIEWS -------- >========================================================= >Delivering breaking news, as well as analysis and >commentary, from eWEEK.com > >April 3, 2002 // Volume 2, Issue 41 > >========================================================= >In This Edition >========================================================= >--OUR TAKE >Adios, Internet Radio > >========================================================= >Our Take >========================================================= >ADIOS, INTERNET RADIO > >-- By Chris Gonsalves -- > >I'm a fan of Stardog, personally. Maybe you like CelticGrove >or BlueCityJazz. Doesn't matter. In a few weeks, listening >to music on Internet radio will be dead as a mackerel. > >Shame really. The Internet radio business has been growing >at something like 100 percent annually and is thriving in >genres underrepresented on FM stations, such as classical, >blues, jazz and gospel. Doesn't matter. The government, >acting once again in the special interest of the music >industry, is about to crush the idea. > >In the latest example of groundless regulation and greed >interfering with free commerce, the U.S. Copyright Office is >considering a proposal that would force Internet radio >stations to pay exorbitant royalties to record companies and >performers, something their over-the-air counterparts are >not required to do. > >Where AM and FM radio stations pay a small fee to music >composers, Internet radio stations are facing fees of up to >14 cents per listener per song. That fee would bankrupt >nearly all of the Web broadcasters operating today, >according to the group saveinternetradio.org. > >Copyright officials have until May 21 to make the call, but >considering that the recommended shakedown came from the >advisory group they created--the Copyright Arbitration >Royalty Panel (CARP for short)--it's clear the rubber stamp >is warmed up and waiting. > >How did we get to this point? Even if you thought Napster >and others of their ilk were the bad guys, how did Internet >radio become to the target of the Harry Fox crowd? It began >in October 1998, when Congress passed the "Digital >Millennium Copyright Act" (DMCA), which gave record >companies the green light to collect royalties when music >was played via "digital media" such as Internet radio. > >It's an interesting departure from a music industry >standpoint. Record companies and performers don't get >royalties from AM and FM radio play because the copyright >folks consider the promotional value of the airplay payment >enough. So why the switch for the Internet? The theory >bought by Congress is that Internet listeners can make >"perfect copies" of the songs being streamed, and those >copies could hurt CD sales. That would be a good argument, >except that, as anyone who listens to Internet Radio knows, >you can't make "perfect copies." You can't easily make >copies at all. And if you can, they are of too low a sound >quality to be useful in creating your own CDs. What you get >sounds pretty much like those cassette tapes you used to >make off the FM radio. Not great. > >Never ones to let facts stand in their way, the solons >assigned to the CARP published their recommended royalty >schedule in late February. As the basis for the outrageous >fee schedule, the CARP report cites a $5 billion deal >between Yahoo! and Broadcast.com. The result was a figure >that would leave most Internet broadcasters, who have >attracted precious little advertising, liable for between >200 and 300 percent of their gross revenues. And, oh, by the >way, the fees are retroactive to October 1998. According to >Internet radio industry figures, a midsize independent >Webcaster with an average audience of 1,000 would owe >$525,600. > >See you later Stardog. It was nice knowing you. > >To e-mail eWEEK Deputy News Editor Chris Gonsalves, >click here: >mailto:chris_gonsalves@ziffdavis.com > >========================================================= >News >========================================================= >1. ADDITIONAL IE/APACHE PROBLEMS SURFACE > >eWEEK Labs' Timothy Dyck last month advised readers to use a >combination of HTTPS and basic authentication to get secure >log-in functionality that works with all browsers and Web >servers. It turns out that this approach won't work all the >time, either. To read the story, click here: >http://eletters1.ziffdavis.com/cgi-bin10/flo?y=ePOu0BzN6x0DUm0gLO0A2 > >------------------------------------------------------------ >2. PAIR OF OFFICE XP BUGS UNCOVERED > >A well-known security researcher has released an advisory >about--and exploit code for--two new unpatched flaws in >portions of Microsoft Corp.'s Office XP application suite. >The two bugs are closely related and, if used in concert, >could enable an attacker to gain complete control over a >vulnerable machine. To read the story, click here: >http://eletters1.ziffdavis.com/cgi-bin10/flo?y=ePOu0BzN6x0DUm0gJj0AS > >------------------------------------------------------------ >3. INTEL TO CUT CHIP PRICING BY 57 PERCENT > >Intel is set to cut prices on its top-performing Pentium 4 >chips by as much as 25 percent this month and up to 57 >percent this spring. To read the story, click here: >http://eletters1.ziffdavis.com/cgi-bin10/flo?y=ePOu0BzN6x0DUm0gJm0AV > >========================================================= >Now at eWEEK.com >========================================================= >1. PETER COFFEE: THE LONG ROAD TO SIMPLE SYSTEMS >http://eletters1.ziffdavis.com/cgi-bin10/flo?y=ePOu0BzN6x0DUm0gLP0A3 > >2. NETWORK APPLIANCE TARGETS REMOTE ACCESS >http://eletters1.ziffdavis.com/cgi-bin10/flo?y=ePOu0BzN6x0DUm0gLQ0A4 > >3. A SECURITY EXTENSION FOR MICROSOFT OPERATIONS MANAGER >http://eletters1.ziffdavis.com/cgi-bin10/flo?y=ePOu0BzN6x0DUm0gLR0A5 > >4. SUN BUILDS OUT JAVA TOOL SETS >http://eletters1.ziffdavis.com/cgi-bin10/flo?y=ePOu0BzN6x0DUm0gJn0AW > >5. HP BOARD BALKS AT HEWLETT RENOMINATION >http://eletters1.ziffdavis.com/cgi-bin10/flo?y=ePOu0BzN6x0DUm0fva0A1 > >6. 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All Rights >Reserved. >

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Core Memory Interfacing?

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Loboyko Steve <sloboyko(a)yahoo.com> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> >been mentioned before. Without those, its a heck of a >lot of discretes, and there's no way around it. Too There are pther parts out there. >a wall. I also suspect that because of all of the >unknowns involved regarding the magnetic properties of >the core that you use, the way to go about it is to If you read the article ALL of those parameters are can be tested and defined, before building the whole core plane. >of core is that there are thermistors involved also, >and that core had a very narrow range of temperature >operation. There were even programs designed >specifically to cause "hot spots" in the core in order >to test it (you'd have to know the physical layout of >the core to pull this trick off). Actually when doing that you'd also vary the slice level or the power supply levels to see where the edges are. FYI: I checks my notes and a 64x64 array needs 65 drivers and something like 192 diodes to drive the select lines. Allison

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Strange idea in VAX

by Antonio.Carlini＠riverstonenet.com

>One thing that might be interested is to see if I can find a PCI hose for >it, find source code for the PCI hose driver for a free OS (I'm pretty >sure that there is one out there somewhere), and try to write a VMS driver >for the PCI hose on OpenVMS/VAX? Can you get a PCI hose for it? I forget. If you can then you could also get one of those 3rd party PCI<->Q-bus boards and create a loop :-) >Then I could try to get a PCI >framebuffer working, but then how would I go about attaching a keyboard >and mouse? PCI->USB? Antonio

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Core Memory Interfacing?

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Joe <rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com> drivers and sense amps on it so that might make things easier. However there are some things that you have to do with core and I don't know if they handled in hardware or if the OS had to take care of it. For example, reading core is destructive, that is it erases the contents so you have to store the contents back into it before you do anything else (unless you don't care if it's lost). That seems like it wou! > ld be easy enough to do in HW but I don't know if that's what they did. Not an OS task. It's usually handled in hardware either in the CPU microcode or as a synchronous timing with the cpu such that if the cpu is going to alter the data at the location it's already started the cycle. Some will stop the memory cycle after the read to see if it should write the old data back or alter it, this is usually signaled by the cpu before it outputs a new address. That would be ideal as you have something you may have data on, most of the circuits and even a clue on the timing. I'd love to play with something like that rather than a scratch build. Allison > > Joe > >At 11:41 AM 4/3/02 -0600, you wrote: >>Right off, let me say that I know next to nothing about the realities of >>using core memory. I only know that it looks like pretty cool stuff to >>play with. Would I be completely off my tree to try to build a core >>memory interface from scratch, assuming I had a pre-strung core frame with >>all the cores and wires intact? When I say "interface", I mean basically >>something that will let me talk to the core from a PC or from my >>recently-completed Mark-8 using TTL or CMOS levels. If I have a 64x64 >>frame, would I just need something on the order of 256 driver transistors >>(one to drive each of the X and Y wires in either direction) plus some >>kind of op-amp or comparator circuit to monitor the sense wire (is there >>just one of these per frame?) and determine whether or not a bit has >>flipped during a read pulse? Or are there all sorts of ghosts and goblins >>lurking in core memory that I don't want to confront? >> >> >> >> >

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some what OT: FW: Adios, Internet Radio

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Lawrence Walker [mailto:lgwalker@mts.net] > classical stations. I guess I'll have to settle for Radio > Cuba on SW. :^) At least that way you're acting in support of a more honest organization than RIAA (the Cuban government)! > The US corporate beast is getting VERY greedy. They may bite > off more > than they can chew, if they wake up enough of the US populace. They may, but it's just about as likely as them deciding that McDonalds isn't a good place to go out for food. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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IBM PS/1 Recovery/Install diskettes available

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 4/3/2002 8:33:45 AM Central Standard Time, r_beaudry(a)hotmail.com writes: > >><< A bit too new to be on topic, but... I was scrounging through some > >> >>stuff > >>yesterday, and unearthed a set of original diskettes for an IBM PS/1. > >> >> > > > >do you know what model PS/1? > > Well.... I only have the disks, and not a PS/1. They were part of another > lot of stuff that I got... > > Is there a way to tell from a file on the disk, or some number on the > outside of the disk? > > Unfortunately, I've been away from IBM for several years now. The early models used 9 or so, and the later more standard models used ~14 or more. If not claimed, I will take them.

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Computers Manufactured in 1986

by dquebbeman＠acm.org

> > Pardon the ignorance here, > > But which would you guys consider to be the most > modernly functional one of the 1986 bunch? > > (What I am trying to do together here is get a setup of only stuff made in > 1986.... It'd be neat to have a system exactly the same age as me :)) I do believe most of us had that figured out. This list isn't really about modern computers. But hands down, the Macintosh would be the most modern of the bunch. Although it's not color-capable, the user interface is has is what Bill Gates stole >from Apple and used to build Windows. So you'd be most at home there. I've been a Mac advocate from the beginning, but for my own purposes, computers with operating systems that provide a text-mode shell, such as the *nixen and its derivitives, VMS, Primos, DOS, are preferable. As someone with a tiny bit of a math background, the ability you gain with a sophisticated command-line environment is great. In most of these operating systems, you can string commands togther like factors in an equation, and perform complex transformations on sets of files all at once. Hard to do that with a Graphical User Interface. To the List: Was the AT&T 3B2 still being made in '86? If so, there's a good choice for him. I even know where he could get one... -dq -Douglas Hurst Quebbeman (DougQ at ixsnayamspayIgLou.com) [Call me "Doug"] Surgically excise the pig-latin from my e-mail address in order to reply "The large print giveth, and the small print taketh away." -Tom Waits

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by blacklord＠telstra.com

----- Original Message ----- From: Christopher Smith <csmith(a)amdocs.com> Date: Thursday, April 4, 2002 1:20 am Subject: RE: RE: Computers Manufactured in 1986 > For a 1000 -- are you sure? :) I have a much easier time finding > software for my 520ST. As long as the software isn't AGA specific (or takes advantage of some of the graphics boards available), or will only run on one of the later OSes, then it'll run on the A1000. cheers, Lance ---------------- Powered by telstra.com

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Core Memory Interfacing?

by dquebbeman＠acm.org

> care of it. For example, reading core is destructive, that is > it erases the contents so you have to store the contents back > into it before you do anything else (unless you don't care if > it's lost). That seems like it wou! > ld be easy enough to do in HW but I don't know if that's > what they did. The Hazeltine 2000 is a 1972-era computer terminal. It used core memory, but did not have a microprocesor, and therefore, no software. So at least the Hazeltine did it in hardware. When you'd turn it back on, it usually lost some bits, but you would always bring up the last screen that had been displayed, if someone didn't explicitly clear it. Not the kind of terminal to use in secure installtions... -dq -Douglas Hurst Quebbeman (DougQ at ixsnayamspayIgLou.com) [Call me "Doug"] Surgically excise the pig-latin from my e-mail address in order to reply "The large print giveth, and the small print taketh away." -Tom Waits

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Language Converter (fwd)

by jpl15＠panix.com

Forwarded for any possible help; REPLY TO MR. DOWNMAN, not to me. I'm just the nosey forwarder.... ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 17:15:52 +1000 From: Jim Downman & Assoc. <djhdow(a)big.net.au> Reply-To: dxsoft(a)yahoogroups.com To: dxsoft(a)yahoogroups.com Subject: Language Converter How does one convert old Smith Corona Word Processor Diskettes for use on the hard drive of my Windows XP System. They contain years of hard work and valuable imformation ??? The diskettes are low density 740KB size. Can somebody help.?? Jim VK4FAD --------end fwd-----------

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IBM PS/1 Recovery/Install diskettes available

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 4/3/2002 12:14:38 PM Central Standard Time, pat(a)cart-server.purdueriots.com writes: > Don't remeber the model number, but the 286-based micro-thin PS/1 my > parents bought back in '90 had 13 disks for it's 'install/backup set'. > The system was about 2in thick, 12in wide, included a Mouse, PS/1 software > crap, IBM DOS 4.0, MSWorks for Dos, 1M of RAM, a 1.4M floppy drive and 40M > IDE hard drive. the included 12" monitor also included they system's > power supply (how the thing was made so dang small). Also included a > weird internal 2400baud modem with a non-standard interface. > > The system got tossed (not sure I can say I'm sad about it either) when my > parents move to a condo a couple years ago. > > yes, that's the 2011 model with DOS in ROM. pretty neat little machine. You could even get one with 512k, no HDD and mono screen. Found the addon second story 5.25 addition for $5 in the box a few weeks ago.

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IBM PS/1 Recovery/Install diskettes available

by r_beaudry＠hotmail.com

>Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 19:07:15 EST >From: SUPRDAVE(a)aol.com >Subject: Re: IBM PS/1 Recovery/Install diskettes available >In a message dated 4/2/02 5:05:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, >r_beaudry(a)hotmail.com writes: > >><< A bit too new to be on topic, but... I was scrounging through some >> >>stuff >>yesterday, and unearthed a set of original diskettes for an IBM PS/1. >> >> > >do you know what model PS/1? Well.... I only have the disks, and not a PS/1. They were part of another lot of stuff that I got... Is there a way to tell from a file on the disk, or some number on the outside of the disk? Rich B. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx

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The Future End of Classic Computing

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Chris [mailto:mythtech@mac.com] > Humm... better send Apple's QT team to jail, sounds like they are > releasing software that can bypass copy protection. :-) Not only that, but the OS team too, since their OS allows one to just copy files all over the place willy nilly! ;) Get those nasty people at IEEE, while you're at it, since some of their standards are designed to facilitate "data interchange." Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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The Future End of Classic Computing

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) [mailto:cisin@xenosoft.com] > At NCC (which was once the biggest show in the US, soon > thereafter passed > by by Comdex), booth staff at several manufacturers were incapable of > imagining ANY possible use of disk format conversion other > than the making > of unauthorized copies of their proprietary software. In fact, Yes, folks, people really are That Stupid. I wouldn't have suggested this if I didn't think it was a possibility, but I find it incredibly funny that it's actually been tried already. :) > representatives of TWO companies threatened to sue me if I > included their > disk formats! > Although I was out of town, and staying in a hotel room, I > stayed up late > that night to make sure that theirs were the very next formats that I > added. You did exactly what I would have done in that situation, perhaps with a prominent note in the manual as to why. > But neither company kept their promise of providing me with > massive free > publicity. My only worry is that these days, they might actually go through with it. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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line monitor? Interview 3600

by mmcfadden＠cmh.edu

I found what looks like to be a line monitor. It has two RS-232C DB25 connectors on the back, labeled connector 1 and connector 2, there is also a barrel type connector labeled video out. The front panel which is hinged at the bottom and is the keyboard, folds down and reveals a small monitor. The keys appear membrane contact type. There are buttons labeled send and receive. There is a QWERTY keyboard and number pad and additional buttons. The label is Atlantic Richfield and immediately below it is Interview 3600. It appears to be the size and form factor of a Compaq luggable. There are no card slots or other openings on the back besides the power connector, 2 DB25 connections and external video. Has anybody seen one of these? I suppose if could be some kind of disk or interface exerciser. Google turns up nothing. Thanks Mike mmcfadden(a)cmh.edu

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The Future End of Classic Computing

by dquebbeman＠acm.org

> This idiodic bill bill sounds like a sure fire way to > kill the electronics industry in the US. I wonder who Fritz > Hollings really works for, the Taliban? In any event, it > will NEVER happen in the US, we already smuggle in huge > quantities of drugs, gun s, booze, parrots and everything > else that the US government attempts to ban so I guess we may > have to add computers to the list next. Doc's response seems to be typical- it sounds so outrageous that there's no way it could happen. However, I nonetheless urge everyone to write their U.S. representative and Senator and inform them that this and any similar legislation is unacceptable to you. In order to keep your message short, I suggest that you not elucidate the many reasons why it's bad, but instead offer to do so in a follow-up correspondance. Regards, -doug q

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Core Memory Interfacing?

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

Not that many trasistors more like 128 diodes. You would need to know: 1-The switching current for the core: 2-the half select current(related to #1): 3-Time to switch 4-is it a 2d or 3d array(word or bit frame) 5-single sense/inhibit or serperate sense and inhibit lines. Words are driven by the same drivers as an individual bit so that saves parts. Generally there is an array of multiplexed devices to drive the array, for a 64x64 that would likely mean only 128 driver devices (best done as integrated stuff like TI 754xx parts) and a lot of steering diodes. You will need a sense amp per bit and an inhibit driver per bit. Most core systems use a delay line to get the timing as the cycle is RMW (read/modify or rewrite) as core is destructive read out (generally) so you have to write the data back. The time you sense the bit change is tied to the core used and varies some with temperature and current. Also the sense amp must discriminate from noise and a valid pulse related to a bit change. Oh, it will be slow. Most core system were over .5us{500nS} Tacc and Tcy are typically 1.0-1.6us{1000-1600nS} . It's a rewarding task but non-trivial nor small. FYI: you need a heafty low noise multiple voltage power supply to run it. Me, I'm looking at a 16k semiconductor memory replacement for a PDP-8f that is simple. This would be a resource to those that have found an -8 without enough core or to replace bad core. This is of course a IMCFT project. Allison {IMCFT >>> In My Copious Free Time} -----Original Message----- From: Bill Richman <bill(a)timeguy.com> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 12:58 PM Subject: Core Memory Interfacing? >Right off, let me say that I know next to nothing about the realities of >using core memory. I only know that it looks like pretty cool stuff to >play with. Would I be completely off my tree to try to build a core >memory interface from scratch, assuming I had a pre-strung core frame with >all the cores and wires intact? When I say "interface", I mean basically >something that will let me talk to the core from a PC or from my >recently-completed Mark-8 using TTL or CMOS levels. If I have a 64x64 >frame, would I just need something on the order of 256 driver transistors >(one to drive each of the X and Y wires in either direction) plus some >kind of op-amp or comparator circuit to monitor the sense wire (is there >just one of these per frame?) and determine whether or not a bit has >flipped during a read pulse? Or are there all sorts of ghosts and goblins >lurking in core memory that I don't want to confront? > > > >

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Computers Manufactured in 1986^H^H56"

by dquebbeman＠acm.org

> From: Douglas H. Quebbeman <dquebbeman(a)acm.org> > > >> PDP-8e of various forms, Cincinattai Millichron CM2000/2100/2200 to > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > > >Cincinnati Milacron > > Ok, since your so good as to fix the spelling, maybe you > know where oneis? > > I woked with them briefly in '73, never seen them since. Last one I saw was in the Humanities Department at IU, hooked to a CDC 607 tape drive and running one of the first lazer light shows, called Soleil, in 1977. They *may* still have it... or someone associated with the school probably does. Don Byrd was the guy working with it, he's up at some school in Boston now, I think... The PDP-8 clone I'm looking for is the Harris/COPE 1200... -dq -Douglas Hurst Quebbeman (DougQ at ixsnayamspayIgLou.com) [Call me "Doug"] Surgically excise the pig-latin from my e-mail address in order to reply "The large print giveth, and the small print taketh away." -Tom Waits

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Soldering and other skills (was Re: QL-Quality (Was: ZX-81 Question))

by philpem＠btinternet.com

ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell) said: > > Don't eat sandwiches while you're soldering...and wash your hands when > > you're done ;-) Lead in gasoline (petrol over here) was a bigger > > problem. > > But I am not at all convinced that the alternatives that are added to > 'unleaded' petrol are any more healthy... Hmm... Now you've me a bit more to worry about... > > Resin flux is a known carcinogen, so don't breathe the fumes. > > Oh _great_. Still, it's a well-known fact that research causes cancer in > rats :-) ROFL! Theoretically, judging by the amount of solder flux I've inhaled over the past few years, I should be either on my deathbed or have some form of cancer by now... Fact: If I listed every single chemical I've ever exposed myself to, it would probably be long enough such that if I printed it out, it would go to the sun and back... And some of the chemicals on that list: Acetic acid (photographic stopbath) Hydroquinone (photographic developer) God-knows-what (photographic fixer) Acetone (nailvarnish remover) Whatever SRBP board dumps when heated to 180 deg C (toner transfer) Ferric Chloride (PCB etchant) Lead (solder) Rosin (solder flux - Maplin probably don't use it in their lousy "Adepto" solder) Xylene (Electrolube lacquer pen) Mercury (glass tiltswitch) Need I go on? Once again, my philosophy is "Screw it - I'm going to snuff it at some point anyway". And if scraping my fingers (and cutting them) with solderjoints is as bad as breathing in solder fumes, I should REALLY be dead by now... Later. -- Phil. philpem(a)bigfoot.com http://www.philpem.btinternet.co.uk/

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"BidsToGo" is places to go, things to do

by webmaster＠bidstogo.biz

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DEC swap meet?(RE: Off Topic? PDP 11 1134/1145's)

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

A good choice is the MIT flea, held every 3rd sunday starting April through September. It's in Cambridge MA (nearly Boston.) Allison -----Original Message----- From: John Allain <allain(a)panix.com> To: port-vax(a)netbsd.org <port-vax(a)netbsd.org>; classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 12:00 PM Subject: Re: DEC swap meet?(RE: Off Topic? PDP 11 1134/1145's) >> Maybe we can get something going up here in New Haven, CT? > >I'm all for something like this. NYC/Boston is my route, so New >Haven is right on it. I've driven as far as Rochester (350?mi) for >such purposes. Washington, DC would be in my range. >Maynard, MA would be a neat choice for historic reasons. > >John A. > >

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DEC swap meet?(RE: Off Topic? PDP 11 1134/1145's)

by CordaAJ＠nswc.navy.mil

I'd also be quite happy with Washington DC (It's just an hour or so away from me :-) additionally, it has a number of interesting sites to visit (Smithsonian?) for those who haven't been here before. -al- -acorda(a)1bigred.com > -----Original Message----- > From: John Allain [mailto:allain@panix.com] > Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 11:35 AM > To: port-vax(a)netbsd.org; classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: DEC swap meet?(RE: Off Topic? PDP 11 1134/1145's) > > > > Maybe we can get something going up here in New Haven, CT? > > I'm all for something like this. NYC/Boston is my route, so New > Haven is right on it. I've driven as far as Rochester (350?mi) for > such purposes. Washington, DC would be in my range. > Maynard, MA would be a neat choice for historic reasons. > > John A. > >

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Computers Manufactured in 1986^H^H56"

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Douglas H. Quebbeman <dquebbeman(a)acm.org> >> PDP-8e of various forms, Cincinattai Millichron CM2000/2100/2200 to > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > >Cincinnati Milacron Ok, since your so good as to fix the spelling, maybe you know where one is? I woked with them briefly in '73, never seen them since. Allison

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Computers Manufactured in 1986

by dquebbeman＠acm.org

> Hmmm PDP-1 eh? > > I could emulate it .. ;^> If you do, try separating the graphics display emulator from the computer emulator... then we could use it for yet still other emulated systems! -dq -Douglas Hurst Quebbeman (DougQ at ixsnayamspayIgLou.com) [Call me "Doug"] Surgically excise the pig-latin from my e-mail address in order to reply "The large print giveth, and the small print taketh away." -Tom Waits

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WTF?

by fauradon＠beckman.com

I usually don't post from work but this need to be noted and discussed!!! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1341836302 For those of you who can not check the link out: it's a collection of gaming consoles with a bid of $11,600.00 Yes that's eleven thousand six hundred bucks. Granted it has some nice pieces I can't add it up to that amount. Francois

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DEC swap meet?(RE: Off Topic? PDP 11 1134/1145's)

by wilson＠dbit.com

From: "John Allain" <allain(a)panix.com> >> Maybe we can get something going up here in New Haven, CT? > >I'm all for something like this. NYC/Boston is my route, so New >Haven is right on it. I've driven as far as Rochester (350?mi) for >such purposes. Washington, DC would be in my range. >Maynard, MA would be a neat choice for historic reasons. Sounds good to me too, I'm near Springfield MA so I can hit anywhere in NE easily, or eastern NY. John Wilson D Bit

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DEC swap meet?(RE: Off Topic? PDP 11 1134/1145's)

by CordaAJ＠nswc.navy.mil

I'd be interested on an occasional basis... I live in Virginia, but I grew up (and most of my family lives in) New Haven, so it would be simply another visit home for me. -al- -acorda(a)1bigred.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Linc Fessenden [mailto:linc@thelinuxlink.net] > Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 10:03 AM > To: David Woyciesjes > Cc: port-vax(a)netbsd.org; classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org (E-mail) > Subject: Re: DEC swap meet?(RE: Off Topic? PDP 11 1134/1145's) > > > On Wed, 3 Apr 2002, David Woyciesjes wrote: > > > (cc'd to ClassicCmp list, I'm sure there's interest there...) > > > > > From: Brian Hechinger > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 02, 2002 at 12:26:23PM -0800, Lyle Bickley wrote: > > > > All, > > > > > > > > May I make another suggestion? A bunch of us here in > the Silicon Valley > > > are > > > > fans of old DEC equipment. We get 'em and restore 'em. > Some favor PDPs > > > (one > > > > guy even has two DEC 10's), some favor the smaller 11's > and others of us > > > like > > > > old VAXes. At any rate, we meet once a month for lunch and swap > > > stories, > > > > tell what stuff we've picked up, etc. All of us are > willing to trade > > > > equipment or donate books and equipment to each other. > We studiously > > > avoid > > > > EBAY. > > > > > > so who's on the east coast that would like to do this? > i'm in philly, and > > > i > > > know isildur is in pittsburg. don't know where we would > want to meet > > > though, > > > since some people would have to travel far for that. > thoughts? ideas? > > > -- > > > > > I'd be up for it. A flea-market swap-meet kinda thing, > right? Maybe > > we can get something going up here in New Haven, CT? > > I am in as well.. Problem is I live in between Isildur and > Brian so PA is > looking better and better :-) > > -Linc Fessenden > > In the Beginning there was nothing, which exploded - Yeah right... > >

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Computers Manufactured in 1986^H^H56

by blacklord＠telstra.com

----- Original Message ----- From: Ben Franchuk <bfranchuk(a)jetnet.ab.ca> Date: Thursday, April 4, 2002 5:04 am Subject: Re: Computers Manufactured in 1986^H^H56 > Stan Barr wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > jpero(a)sympatico.ca said: > > > > > > I suppose to commemorate my birth, I'll need to get an S- > 100 box Ok, so what would I need for 1965 ? cheers, Lance ---------------- Powered by telstra.com

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CP/M and Imsai

by caprio＠dcms.com

Thanks to all for you comments on the S-100 and Imsai. The reason I got intersted in this was back in the late 70's I worked for an OEM and we rolled out data Entry/Retrieval system on Datapoint, Then moved to the Imsai, and then the Intel SBC 8086 running RMX/86. This was my first programming job. Everything was written in assembler and progressed to PL/I then finally forth. I loved this job. Back then programmers appreciated tight code and knew how to save a few bytes of code. It was amazing what we did with the Imsai. I think we had 30+ serial connections to data entry terminals with keypunch operators banging away at 100 WPM! The terminals were also used for data base retrieval over a dedicated line connected to our mainframe, a Xerox Sigma 9. Our mainframe application was written in assembler as welll (MetaSymbol). I also ported a few 8080/z80 applications to 8086. When I left the company ten years later we had piles of Imsai's on pallets and didn't know what to do with them. I bet they ended up in a landfill somewhere! Wish I had just a pallet of them today! It's been twenty years since I worked on the Imsai. Most of my knowledge on these and other S-100 systems is burried in my brian somewhere problem is I can't seem to fetch it :^) At any rate I'm up for the challange and am looking forward to putting my Imsai system together. Any ex employee's of Science Dynamics (Torrance, Ca) out there? Jeff, Neil, Ralph, Dave, and Less are you there? and then

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The Future End of Classic Computing

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

> From: Bryan Pope > > And thusly Dan Wright spake: > > > > Tony Duell said: > > > > > > And as for restricting knowledge that could be used to commit crimes, > > > well, you'd better remove the brains of most of the population right > now... > > > > Has everyone read _1984_? I just finished it and it's quite good ;) > anyway, > > very instructive, and frightening, on this point... > > > > Ooooh.... And what about Farenheit 451?! This was required reading at my > high school. Ray Bradbury was just honored with some award a few days > ago. > > Cheers, > > Bryan > Another very excellent book, that I read (what feels like) ages ago... --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 Mac OS X 10.1.2 - Darwin Kernel Version 5.2: Fri Dec 7 21:39:35 PST 2001 Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash

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"When programming is outlawed, only outlaws will program"

by dquebbeman＠acm.org

> On Wed, 3 Apr 2002, Doc wrote: > > > You may as well put Fred in jail for Xenocopy, in fact ;) > > They probably will, very soon. :( > > Did John Draper write "Easy Writer" WHILE he was in jail? Hmmm... He stayed with my family during a 3-day stop in September 1978... I gave him a 23-channel CB radio to ease the trip out, and he gave me a copy of a Nektar album (it wasn't "Remember the Future"). White and olive drab VW Microbus. >From what I've pieced together, EasyWriter must have gotten started when he got back to the Left Coast. He *might* have started formulating the ideas while in Harrisburg (Harrisville?) State Prison. We corresponded for a while before he went in; I was an early user on WRBBS (Ward and Randy's BBS), and if it wasn't that BBS, it might have been The Well or one of the other Kalifornia BBSs... I contacted Adam Osborne, and asked if he could use his clout to help John out. His reply was that while he didn't necessarily accept the Government's version of what happened, that John was indeed in deep doodoo and anyone that tried to help would get sh*t on their shoes. Now John's doing fine, tho work comes to him slowly, and poor Adam Osborne is slowly dying in a village in India, from Parkinson's Disease. BTW, I'm told that one of Adam's expressed wishes is that he be left to go in peace... Let's all thank him for his efforts and achievements, and wish him a Happy Journey into the hereafter. And please don't take that the wrong way. He was right- my brief association with John led to my departure from my position at the University where I'd hoped to get on full-time... but I bear absolutely no grudge for that. The system just plain sucks. -dq -Douglas Hurst Quebbeman (DougQ at ixsnayamspayIgLou.com) [Call me "Doug"] Surgically excise the pig-latin from my e-mail address in order to reply "The large print giveth, and the small print taketh away." -Tom Waits

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Computers Manufactured in 1986

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: blacklord [mailto:blacklord@telstra.com] > But the Miggy had more & in better quality :-) (And they're > still being > written for too.....) For a 1000 -- are you sure? :) I have a much easier time finding software for my 520ST. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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Seeking Old Wirth-Jensen Pascal Book

by dquebbeman＠acm.org

> Douglas H. Quebbeman wrote: > > > > PASCAL User Manual and Report > > Authors: Jensen & Wirth > > Pub: Springer-Verlag > > bookfinder.com throws up multiple copies.... Cool... do you think I can trade some S-100 boards for one? What? Bookfinder.com won't do ClassicCmp trades? :( -Douglas Hurst Quebbeman (DougQ at ixsnayamspayIgLou.com) [Call me "Doug"] Surgically excise the pig-latin from my e-mail address in order to reply "The large print giveth, and the small print taketh away." -Tom Waits

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The Future End of Classic Computing

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

> From: Dan Wright > > > Tony Duell said: > > > > And as for restricting knowledge that could be used to commit crimes, > > well, you'd better remove the brains of most of the population right > now... > > Has everyone read _1984_? I just finished it and it's quite good ;) > anyway, > very instructive, and frightening, on this point... > > - Dan Wright > Read that ages ago. Excellent book.... --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 Mac OS X 10.1.2 - Darwin Kernel Version 5.2: Fri Dec 7 21:39:35 PST 2001 Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash

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DEC swap meet?(RE: Off Topic? PDP 11 1134/1145's)

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

> From: Brian Hechinger > > On Wed, Apr 03, 2002 at 10:02:47AM -0500, Lord Isildur wrote: > > > > PA would definitely be a plus to me. If its an hour or two drive, i > would > > have a high chance of getting there, but if its more than that i > probably > > wouldnt. > > what halfway not-shitty town east of you is withing reason? pick > something, > let's see if it's an ok place to meet. > > close to pittsburg means we might convince Rob S. to stop out as well, but > damn pittsburg is a haul from here. > > -brian > -- Personally, I'd probably make a weekend of it, or something, if I can... --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 Mac OS X 10.1.2 - Darwin Kernel Version 5.2: Fri Dec 7 21:39:35 PST 2001 Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash

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Computers Manufactured in 1986^H^H56"

by dquebbeman＠acm.org

> PDP-8e of various forms, Cincinattai Millichron CM2000/2100/2200 to ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Cincinnati Milacron ;) -Douglas Hurst Quebbeman (DougQ at ixsnayamspayIgLou.com) [Call me "Doug"] Surgically excise the pig-latin from my e-mail address in order to reply "The large print giveth, and the small print taketh away." -Tom Waits

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Seeking Old Wirth-Jensen Pascal Book

by dquebbeman＠acm.org

Good Morning... I used to have a copy of: PASCAL User Manual and Report Authors: Jensen & Wirth Pub: Springer-Verlag It had a silver cover with red & black printing. I loaned it out, it never came back. If anyone has a copy they'd part with, or finds one, please contact me. Thanks, -doug quebbeman -Douglas Hurst Quebbeman (DougQ at ixsnayamspayIgLou.com) [Call me "Doug"] Surgically excise the pig-latin from my e-mail address in order to reply "The large print giveth, and the small print taketh away." -Tom Waits

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Computers Manufactured in 1986^H^H56

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Ethan Dicks <erd_6502(a)yahoo.com> >> My birth-year is 1972, in that era what typical 'puter small enough >> to fit on desk or on floor (tower) and easy to ship? > >PDP-8/M? Some early PDP-11 (/05?) Too early for the i4004. I do have 4004 was there, and the 8008 was just about there (sept 82 intro). PDP-8e of various forms, Cincinattai Millichron CM2000/2100/2200 to name an oddball. Allison

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PCB vs perfboard construction economics (was Re: "New" PDP-8)

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Ethan Dicks <erd_6502(a)yahoo.com> >> I like the PDP-8 but am unhappy that a 12/24 cpu never hit the >> monolithic chip market. > >That would have been fun. > >> Well I don't but remember with out the proper I/O a pdp-8 is NO FUN. Yes, and the big highlight of the PDP-8 (omnibus) was the relative ease of doing one off IO. It was truly easy to WW a quad card to do most anything. Allison

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"New" PDP-8

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Ethan Dicks <erd_6502(a)yahoo.com> >The EPROMs themselves are not worth recycling (from the standpoint that >they are more valuable with DM firmware than as ordinary blanks). The >contents might be worth archving (not that they aren't already). I was.... SNIP>>> I wasn't suggesting they had significant value but did point out they were at least removeable and therefor usable. >The UARTs are 6402s, right? Not an uncommon chip outside of the Wintel >world. Still available in quantity, AFAIK. Correct but, if your building it's nice to not have to buy if you have! >Would the 6121 have any application outside of a DECmate? It's part of >the wierd console emulation on the DM, isn't it? It's the IO port device (decode and register control). It's not quite standard PDP-8 but it is generally useful. >> The DMIII it will be the 6120 and maybe a 6121 plus 2882 and the eproms, >> though I'm less sure as it's been a long time since I've had to open one. > >What's the 2882 do? UART. The DMIII had D7201 {intel 8274} dual USARTs, not common but useful as it's nearly identical to the Z80 SIO but, intended for 8080/8085/8088/8086 style busses. Allison

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Computers Manufactured in 1986

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Ethan Dicks <erd_6502(a)yahoo.com> > >DECmate? I think the DM-III(+) was sold until 1994. I'd have to look up >what model was contemporary to 1986; I'd guess the DECmate-II. DMII was maybe 83ish. >The question is, though, is this thread about computers you could >walk down the street and _buy_ in 1986, or ones that were _introduced_ >in 1986? The second is a much smaller list, naturally. That would generally exclude much with 386 or higher. '86 was the Z100 series, last of the CP/M-80 machines like Kaypros and Compupro S100 crates. Microvax-I was there and VAXMATE was just around the corner (integrated 286 boxen). It was also a point on the broad 286 peak. The Workstation wars were warming up around then as well, this would lead to Sun, Apollo, DECstations{mips} and later VAXstations. Biggest impression of '86, WYSIWYG printing and Graphical screens making a big surge. Allison

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OT: hp doc request

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

Hey folks...I know there are a lot of HP calc people here; a friend of mine is looking for an HP48G manual, the "HP 48G Series Advanced User's Reference Manual"...no luck with either HP or eBay; does anyone have a copy of this that they might wanna turn loose of, or maybe do some scanning from? Thanks, -Dave -- Dave McGuire "...it's leaving me this unpleasant, St. Petersburg, FL damp feeling on my shorts..." -Sridhar

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FA another Tek 31 brochure also 909 and 911

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

<http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2012892631> Check his other auctions too. There's also articles about the Tek 909 and 911 calcualtors. Joe

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FA Tektronix 21/31 calculator brochure

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

See <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2012891096>

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FA GE analog computer kit manual 1961!!!

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

See <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2014121210>

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Televideo 950 terminal with manual FA

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

See <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2013594433>

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morrow CPM books FA

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

See <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2012947569>

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WTT: HP9000/700 system

by thomas＠tstrathmann.de

Hi, I have a HP 9000/700, 50 MHz, 128 MB RAM, 1.x GB SCSI disk. Original HP keyboard and mouse included plus an HP 99784A 19'' monitor. Everything is in good working condition and so far I have had no problems with this system. HP-UX 10.20 is installed, I'll include media if needed (you know, the license is bound to the hardware). I wand to trade for something, dunno, make an offer. You would have to fetch it from northern Germany or send a freight forwarder. Thomas -- Thomas S. Strathmann http://pdp7.org If God had intended Man to Smoke, He would have set him on Fire.

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Fw: Off Topic? PDP 11 1134/1145's

by rschaefe＠gcfn.org

----- Original Message ----- From: "maximum entropy" <entropy(a)tappedin.com> To: <wonko(a)arkham.ws> Cc: <fordluvr(a)juno.com>; <wonko(a)arkham.ws>; <port-vax(a)netbsd.org> Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 11:01 PM Subject: Re: Off Topic? PDP 11 1134/1145's > >Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 22:28:45 -0500 > >From: Brian Hechinger <wonko(a)arkham.ws> > > > >On Tue, Apr 02, 2002 at 08:46:25PM -0800, joseph p bennardo wrote: > > > >> I can't say why they want them destroyed, but if you knew the company > >> you'd understnad a bit better. > > > >i probably still wouldn't understand. there is no good reason that i know of. > > I did get an almost reasonable justification for this sort of demented > behavior once. Some computer parts are considered hazardous waste. > If I take a machine from some company, then dump it for whatever > reason, there's a possibility (however remote) of it being traced back > to that company (via serial numbers or whatever). They could then > potentially be held liable for the illegal dumping. Of course, it > would be simple enough to provide a bill of sale for $0.01, or some > other documentation of the transfer of ownership. But I did lose out > on one deal where that was seen as just too much hassle for the > beaurocrats involved. When I aquired my VAX 6310 I signed a paper absolving them of all responsibility for the beast. (Didn't sign one for the TU81+...) At first I didn't want to sign, but after a few seconds of thinking about it I couldn't come up with a plasuable reason not to, so I did. Got a copy for my records though, it should be stuffed inside her somewhere. Bob > -- > entropy -- it's not just a good idea, it's the second law.

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The Future End of Classic Computing

by mythtech＠mac.com

>You've misinterpreted my meaning. I was responding to a poster who >suggested that the intent underlying the development of a >product was relevant to the appropriateness of its use. That I disagree >with this position does not mean, as you have assumed, that >I automatically adopt the other extreme -- that because there is an >inappropriate use for a product, it cannot be used at all. Your >attempt at a false dichotomy is rather transparent. I would HOPE it was transparent... it was meant as a tongue in cheek response. I didn't honestly think you believed in the extreme logical end to the concept. Sorry, I thought it would be understood as a goof when I asked for your car. :-) -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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ibm thinkpad parts

by clillie1＠socal.rr.com

call for your ibm think pad system boards 949-646-2181 <www.solidtechnology.net> all ibm think pad parts in stock

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Apple IIe card

by pat＠cart-server.purdueriots.com

I've got a card out of an Apple IIe that has a bunch of 7400 chips on it, a 4-switch dip switch, a 26pin header, and an EPROM with a label that says "GPC" on it. The board also has "GPC" and "519" silk-screened on the comonent side and "Made in Taiwan R.O.C." on the solder side. Google doesnt seem to reveal anything useful. Any ideas what this is?

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