.. (and, as lab supplies, they don't get confused
by being fed backwards, so I don't need the diodes)...
Lab supplies have the diodes built in on both the + and - legs.
running only one in "voltage source" mode, the other(s) in
"current source" mode effectively.
This is how any group of paralell power supplies works.
So, I think if you use PSUs that have a current limiting circuit
that is
not only for short-circuit protection, but engages smoothly as
current
approaches the continuous rating of the PSU,
You don't need this, in fact it can cause problems with groups
of supplies hunting between Ilimit and Vlimit as load is transfered
between them.
you should be able to connect them in parallel with said
diodes. Of course, these PSUs will not be the cheapest
devices...
As long as you match all the supplies to closer than the vf
drop of the diodes nearly any supplies can be connected
this way.
However, this setup may get difficult if loading varies widely.
Usually it isn't a problem as long as there is no minimum
load requirement for the individual supplies.
Another problem might be shutting down the entire system if
one or more of the supplies fail:
Use enough supplies so that one faliure is tollerable. you can
then hot swap the dud supply.
you wouldn't want the remaining ones to supply as much
current as they can, keeping the voltage only half-way up
and running your circuitry in brown-out mode.
If the outputs are overcurrent protected then a faliure of too many
supplies should shut down the whole thing. Trouble is it often
doesn't work that way.
Lee.
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News about the Apple I auction has appeared on zdnn @
http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1106-884678.html
But they don't give a link to the auction site and they don't even mention
Sellams' name!
But at least it's getting *some* publicity... :)
Cheers,
Bryan
On April 16, John R. Keys Jr. wrote:
> UPS delivered my Burroughs tape unit model BU4180 yesterday but it was
> destroyed. They must have dropped it from a high place as this thing
> weighs in at almost 80 pounds. Things inside are pretty bad but I would
> like to try and get it looking nice again, since the boards inside are
> damaged I do not think I can get it to work again. Does anyone on the
> list have repair manual for this model? I would like to see how he belts
> go around the pulleys inside the case. Thanks
I'm wondering how UPS manages to stay in business anymore. I've
shipped about four things via UPS in the past year, and EVERY ONE OF
THEM arrived damaged to some extent. WTF??
-Dave
--
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St. Petersburg, FL -Den
At 12:31 PM 16/04/2002 -0400, r. 'bear' stricklin wrote:
>Here's a data point for you.
And another (Australian one). Years ago when RZ28s were new disk drives and
StorageWorks was a new concept I was Senior Systems Programmer looking
after a VMS cluster (this story is sufficiently old it might even be on
topic :-). In those days RZ28s in SBB were about AUD$3K and we'd ordered
20. My office overlooked the loading bay and I watched in horror as the
delivery driver DROPPED the disks off the back of the truck onto the ground
(say 4 feet).
He couldn't understand why I wasn't going to sign for the delivery - I told
him to take them back. Digital changed their preferred courier shortly
thereafter.....
Huw Davies | e-mail: Huw.Davies(a)kerberos.davies.net.au
| "If God had wanted soccer played in the
| air, the sky would be painted green"
>From: "Richard Erlacher" <edick(a)idcomm.com>
>Date: Mon Apr 15, 2002 03:45:30 am Europe/London
>
>> Actually, I can see one way that there could be a benefit from
>> using TTL....
>>
>> The current advances in processor speed have come largely from just
>> increasing the clock rate. There haven't been any major changes in CPU
>> design to use those clock cylces more efficiently....
>
>That's only a small part of the acceleration. The use of multiple
piplelines
>accounts for much of the performance increase along with increased
>datapath width, and other little features. The gradual increase in
interest in
>parallelism is also going to help quite a bit, so we'll be seeing even more
>pipelines in the future.
>
>> But somebody stuck with old, slow, TTL, just might hit on some way to
get
>> more performance out of it (because it's all they've got, and they need
>> the performnce). The trick they discover just might also be useful to
>> speed up ASICs (or FPGAs, or ...)
>>
>And just exactly HOW would they extract more performance from it? A new
>architecture would require new software, both in development tools
>and in OS and as applications. Just verifying that their innovation would
>take several hundred lifetimes, and the generation of a full set of
software
>would take that one individual working alone, until well after the next
big-bang.
I've been keeping out of this conversation so far 'cos I'm not qualified
to comment on much of it <grin>, but this statement strikes me as just
being Plain Wrong.
Your own example of pipelines is a perfectly good example of
something which could easily have been invented by someone
in their back room building a processor out of TTL. OK, the resultant
processor would not be commercially viable, but it would serve
perfectly well to demonstrate the theoretical concept and a
practical embodiment of it. Enough for the patent application you'd
file before taking it to Intel to commercialise, for example!
The argument that anyone interested in new architectures is wasting
their time ('mentally masturbating' as you so delicately put it,) is
entirely specious IMHO. The first stage is always proof of concept,
commercialisation is an entirely different game. I doubt the
researchers on quantum computers are going to give up and go
home because the first devices they produce are the size of
a room, require liquid nitrogen to run and - heaven forfend - don't
run Windows 2000 or Microsoft Office. If a new architecture
offers significant enough benefits, the software support and
everything else necessary to capitalise on it will follow.
Cheers,
Tim.
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> From: Christopher Smith <csmith(a)amdocs.com>
> > From: John Chris Wren [mailto:jcwren@jcwren.com]
>
> > But then, one thing I have noticed about the list,
> > besides being an
> > excellent wealth of information and intelligent people, is
> > that some don't
> > know when to let something end.
>
> You can count me in that category. I wonder whether it's typical
> of the kind of person you'd find on this list?
>
> As a general observation, technical types tend to push things
> further than most people appreciate in several cases.
>
> Chris
That's because we want to be *right.* It took me a long time to learn that
I'd rather be happy than right.
Glen
0/0
So this is going into the third - and, hopefully, last - turn. We had
concluded that there is something wrong with the Ethernet adapter on our Calcomp
CCL 600 ES laser printer. Now it's even worse - the printer locks up when the
interface is installed and does no longer react to its front-panel buttons
(On/Offline etc.) On the NIC, the lights for IP and DATA stay lit as long as the
printer is on.
We don't have the time and the knowledge here to start trying to repair that
board, so we hope that somebody out there on the list might throw one in
(pref. for shipping costs or little money, but place your prices), or does
anybody feel like trying to repair it?
Shipping would be from/to Nuremberg, Germany; or, if exchange at the VCF
Europe in Munich is possible, I'll show up there and handle things. I'm on
digest mode and have no Inet on the weekend, so my answers will be delayed a bit.
Thanx in advance
Arno Kletzander
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Dan Veeneman <dan(a)ekoan.com> wrote:
> I recently picked up an HP-IB cable, made by HP, with a
> part number of 12009-60015. One end is an HP-IB connector
> and the other end is a 15-pin card edge.
>
> Any ideas what device this cable connects to on the card edge end?
A 12009A card, which is an HP-IB interface for L/XL/A-series HP 1000
computers.
-Frank McConnell
I picked up a PCI ethernet card today that is both 10 Base T and 10 Base
2 outputs. Now I will have a crash (bad term) course in networking,
especially across different platforms.
I'm wondering if this card is capable of using both outputs at once;
i.e. base 2 to my Amiga Etherrnet and base T to a cable modem or hub.
If it is an exclusive OR situation, I guess I'll have to get another NIC
for another input/output.
If all else fails, then I put Linux in the Amiga . . . . .
Gary Hildebrand
St. Joseph, MO
>"William R. Buckley" wrote:
> Over the past year, I have sent several messages to Tim Shoppa
> requesting a set of CD ROMs containing the offerings of his at
> the web site, metalab.unc.edu, yet to date I have not received
> the requested material. I have also sent email to Tom directly
> but, he has not answered. Is there some extenuating circumstance
> of which others on this list are more familiar than I?
> William R. Buckley, Director Emeritus
> International Core Wars Society
Jerome Fine replies:
It took a week of trying, but I have finally downloaded all three CD
images for RSX-11 and RT-11 from:
ftp://ftp.trailing-edge.com/pub/cd-images/
Note also that the file MD5SUMS seems to contain checksum
values, but I don't know how to use these values or produce them
myself to check if my files are correct. Can anyone help?
The best time seems to be at night. Please realize that these are
650 MByte files and will take many hours in most cases, let alone
a whole day (or three) if you do not have a high speed connection
like DSL.
Sincerely yours,
Jerome Fine
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: James B. DiGriz [mailto:jbdigriz@dragonsweb.org]
> > Um, I think this is getting pretty bad. [...]
> Chris, no offense, but get a grip. I'm kicking myself for
> leaving room
> for any unintentional humor in my comment, but maybe people
> are reading
> things into this thread that just aren't necessarily there?
Perhaps -- I think you're reading more into my comment than
was necessarily there. :) (Given that you stripped the entire
qualifying couple of paragraphs out...) I have no problem with your
comment, myself, or others' comments for the most part. I was only
implying that I think we should try not to offend most people too much.
Of course it won't always work, but such is life.
In other words, Dave and Sridhar can say whatever they like one to the
other, all in jest, and it can be understood as such. No problem.
It's not so good when the target of the jest, or even a third party --
JCW in this case -- can misunderstand that jest to be disrespect.
Anyway, I, for one, wouldn't want somebody making inflatable likenesses
of myself... ;)
> That's a big
> problem with humor, why it is unprofessional and should be avoided in
> the workplace, and why I should have proofed myself better.
I think that's a bit too general. Certainly there's nothing you could
possibly say that wouldn't offend _somebody_.
> How about we just drop this whole subject?
Hmm -- Ok.
Chris
Christopher Smith, Perl Developer
Amdocs - Champaign, IL
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'
I am trying desperately to find a datasheet for the obsolete semiconductor 74F582. All I know is that it is a 4-bit ALU. I would appreciate it if someone could possibly e-mail me a copy. It would even be good if it was another 7400 logic type, as all the families have the same functions.
> On Mon, 15 Apr 2002, Dave McGuire wrote:
>
> > TLC it performs flawlessly). The water doesn't seem to do any harm at
> > all, even with long-term exposure...it's the crap that the water can
> > carry into the equipment, and sometimes corrosion later on.
>
> So what can you do with accumulated mineal salts around component
> legs? Looks like tin "rust". I tried firm-but-gentle with a stiff
> toothbrush, and didn't get anywhere.
>
> I have that MV3100-90 board that I think just needs the corrosion,
> which I suspect is conductive, removed.
Using a small area of the board where you could correct any damage
that this substance might cause, try a little CLR... it's a mixture
sold throughout the midwest (U.S.) that dissolves Calcium, Lime, and
Rust deposits. Phosphoric acid is one of its components... so be real
careful. I've never used it on PC boards before, but it can't be beaten
for removing corrosion off metal parts.
Regards,
-dq
-Douglas Hurst Quebbeman (DougQ at ixnayamspayIgLou.com) [Call me "Doug"]
Surgically excise the pig-latin from my e-mail address in order to reply
"The large print giveth, and the small print taketh away." -Tom Waits
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sridhar the POWERful [mailto:vance@ikickass.org]
> Bochs is not a good idea on that machine. Bochs is meant to run on
> non-PC's and it's a complete PC emulator. What he wants is
> Plex86, which
> is the system virtualization stuff from Bochs, with none of the PC
> emulation stuff. He already has all that.
Last I heard, Plex86 was still in the "concept only" stage.
Is that information outdated, then?
Chris
Christopher Smith, Perl Developer
Amdocs - Champaign, IL
/usr/bin/perl -e '
print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n");
'
> First off -- can somebody explain the common problem with the
> monitors going dim? Can I fix it? (How?) Is there an internal
> "intensity" pot that I can adjust to get more life out of the
> monitor? It is just bright enough not to strain your eyes at
> the highest brightness setting right now... (It's B&W)
I have always assumed that the electrons just kick the sh*t
out of the phosphor, and the the phosphor just dies... but I
hope that's wrong, and that something can indeed be adjusted
or replaced (other than the daggone tube itself).
-Douglas Hurst Quebbeman (DougQ at ixnayamspayIgLou.com) [Call me "Doug"]
Surgically excise the pig-latin from my e-mail address in order to reply
"The large print giveth, and the small print taketh away." -Tom Waits
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dave McGuire [mailto:mcguire@neurotica.com]
> So, why don't you use a real mail client...?
... because restrictions here are such that they don't mind me
using their pipe for personal things in a limited manner, but
they really hate for people to put any software on their system
(typical windows-using mindset, but let's not get into that :),
and I'm really trying to play by their rules. They have no
real mail client, in fact their installations of lookout(!) are
even more broken than usual.
Chris
Christopher Smith, Perl Developer
Amdocs - Champaign, IL
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print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n");
'
Jerome writes:
> There is a hobby version of Ersatz-11 which can be downloaded
> for free: http://www.dbit.com/pub/
> You will want to download at least /e11/ and /putr/ followed by
> those portions that you want to initially focus on.
...
> The commercial version does cost $ US 2999 for DOS/W95/W98/NT.
Well, considering what John's done for the emulator movement
I can't call that predatory pricing. If the market is there,
then so be it... BTW, I realize we have many consultants on
this list who can justify that cost as a business expense.
I also realize people of various means are on this list. I
do confess to wishing I had more "leverage"; I hope that
doesn't get taken as class jealousy.
> In particular, I am allowed to use a raw SCSI hard disk drive by:
> MOUNT DU0: SCSI5:
> where "5" is the SCSI ID of the SCSI hard drive. This allows me to
> use the same SCSI hard disk drive with both Ersatz-11 and on
> a real PDP-11 system.
Ken Harrenstein's KLH-10 has this ability, although I haven't
used it yet.
It sure would be nice if someone would do a commercial
HP2000/2100 emulator and be able to cripple it slightly
for those hobbyists who'd like to run one. Yes, Bob, I
read your message, but I had something else in mind...
;)
-Douglas Hurst Quebbeman (DougQ at ixnayamspayIgLou.com) [Call me "Doug"]
Surgically excise the pig-latin from my e-mail address in order to reply
"The large print giveth, and the small print taketh away." -Tom Waits
Ok, I've got my NeXTStation working, but I'm in need of some
advice.
First off -- can somebody explain the common problem with the
monitors going dim? Can I fix it? (How?) Is there an internal
"intensity" pot that I can adjust to get more life out of the
monitor? It is just bright enough not to strain your eyes at
the highest brightness setting right now... (It's B&W)
Next, can anyone tell me why, after booting into single user mode,
and changing the root password with 'nu -m' I might still be
refused a login next time I boot?
I was able to get in once yesterday, after which I tried this morning
and was refused. I booted to single user mode again -- looked at the
current password hash, changed the password again (the hash turned out
different, but I'm not sure that means much really, and could just be
different "salt"), booted again normally, and still couldn't get in.
So... is there a possibility that either:
A) It's getting another password from somewhere and overwriting the
one I put in? (I hope not.. :)
or...
B) Something's not starting right during boot right now, and it needs
this to log people into the system? (More likely, I think...)
It does still want to connect to the network, and complains about not
being able to talk to several machines when it boots. I'm not sure
whether this would make a difference, or how I would convince it not to
do this. :) Any suggestions?
Chris
Christopher Smith, Perl Developer
Amdocs - Champaign, IL
/usr/bin/perl -e '
print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n");
'
> From: John Foust <jfoust(a)threedee.com>
> Unfortunately, I don't think Winston said anything
> about the inability to format e-mail responses
> in conventional style, so we're stuck. "see below, plz."
> now induces an immediate "CTRL/D" from my left hand.
Okay, so what is the *preferred* method of replying to classiccmp posts?
Reply at top? Replay at bottom? Or, embedded comments interspersed
throughout the replied-to post? I prefer the latter, more conversational
style . . .
Glen
0/0
Hi,
I recently picked up an HP-IB cable, made by HP, with a
part number of 12009-60015. One end is an HP-IB connector
and the other end is a 15-pin card edge.
Any ideas what device this cable connects to on the card edge end?
Google isn't very informative with this one.
Cheers,
Dan
www.decodesystems.com/wanted.html
On April 16, jpero(a)sympatico.ca wrote:
> I know phosphors becomes fried slowly from long use but I'm referring
> to cathode emissions:
>
> I wondered whom is right?
>
> cathode oxide or
> heater coating?
>
> I think this is heater coating.
Wouldn't this be an issue of indirectly heated vs. directly heated,
i.e. having a cathode with an electrically isolated filament inside
vs. just a filament acting as the source of electrons? Some
filament-only tubes do have a coating, much the same as the cathode
coating I believe. Though I've never seen a CRT with no cathode.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire "Mmmm. Big."
St. Petersburg, FL -Den
> UPS delivered my Burroughs tape unit model BU4180 yesterday
> but it was destroyed. They must have dropped it from a high
> place as this thing weighs in at almost 80 pounds. Things
> inside are pretty bad but I would like to try and get it
> looking nice again, since the boards inside are damaged I
> do not think I can get it to work again. Does anyone on the
> list have repair manual for this model? I would like to see
> how he belts go around the pulleys inside the case. Thanks
You are admirably mellow. In lieu of tasting the blood of
the a**hole who did this, I'd want everyone who handled
that package fired from UPS, Hell, everyone who *might*
have handled it, except for the one I'd have the rapport
with, the delivery guy.
Don't tell me this was a 7-track drive, or I'll weep
profusely...
-dq
-Douglas Hurst Quebbeman (DougQ at ixnayamspayIgLou.com) [Call me "Doug"]
Surgically excise the pig-latin from my e-mail address in order to reply
"The large print giveth, and the small print taketh away." -Tom Waits
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mzthompson(a)aol.com [mailto:Mzthompson@aol.com]
> No doubt, Chris spent yesterday evening going through the
> carload of stuff
> I took over to him. I'll let him tell about that. Don't let him get
Actually, I spent yesterday evening cleaning plaster dust out of my room,
since the ceiling decided it was a good time to come loose in one spot,
and fall down on my keyboard, minidisc player, apple newton, etc, etc...
I did boot the NeXTStation (which now has a monitor cable and mouse, thanks
to Mike), and get the XTerm talking to one of my other systems. (... Now if
I can just figure out how to service XDMCP requests with GDM)
> away with calling it his 'latest haul', because he didn't, it was
> 'home delivery'. :)
Indeed...
> The big sour note, I recognized some single drive expansion
> boxes. However,
> the DEC badge had been replaced with a Compaq. Compaq
> actually went to
> the trouble of having the plastic badge inserts remade in their image.
> Fortunately, I had not yet had lunch.
Heh.
Chris
Christopher Smith, Perl Developer
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The VCF is auctioning off another Apple-1 computer.
Complete information on the auction can be found here:
http://www.vintage.org/special/apple-1/
The auction will take place from April 19 through April 21. See URL above
for complete information.
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Fred wrote (about a demo PROM with visible links):
>How about using circuit breakers?
>Then you would have a manually erasable PROM, without further expenditure
>each time that you program it.
Then Richard wrote (about the distinction between hard-, firm-, and soft-ware):
>It happens that some folks differentiate
>between hardware and firmware based on whether you can touch it or not. You
>can't touch firmware, at least not in a practical sense, just as you can't
>touch software.
Hmmm. If the circuit breakers are the type that pop out a button when they
break, I *could* touch software, after it was programmed into the
circuit-breaker PROM.
Actually, if things were set up *just* right, I could arrange to be hit
over the head by software (as it was being written to PROM).
Do we need a new name for this device?
FEPROM (officially Finger Erasable Programmable etc., but we all know it's
really Fred's Erasable etc.)?
- Mark
Mmmm, Windows user. Crunchy and good with ketchup.
-Dave
On April 15, David Woyciesjes wrote:
> Has anyone seen this news posting?
>
> -------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: Goodbye VAX hello ALpha
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 22:55:13 -0400
From: Bill Gunshannon
Organization: University of Scranton
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec
References: <3Hmt8.2238$GS6.168438(a)bin3.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>
On Thu, 11 Apr 2002, Deane Williams <dwilliams296(a)comcast.net> wrote:
> Hello
> Just wondering is there a reseller/company that will take
> VAXes in trade for Alphas?? I'm talking about 3100s and
> even some 4000/XXX and 36/38XX series VAX.
And after they get done rolling onthe floor laughing you could put them
on a truck and send them up here. I can at least promise they won't be
taking up space in a landfill.
bill
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>
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> Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash
>
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> If FedEx dropped their price a little I think more people
> would use them vice UPS. Thankfully the SGI Indigo2 and 19" monitor> I was waiting on arrived today by UPS and appears to have come
> through the ordeal at least physically intact.
Don't count on FedEx either. My Indigo2 and monitor each came in large and
small pieces. :/ FedEx Ground in St Louis.
--
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Wangtek tape drive - Model No. 5150EQ - Assy No. 30551-20B Rev.G
Wangtek ISA controller card & ribbon cable - Assy. No. 30475 Rev. C1
10 tapes (5 still in plastic!) - Global G6150 (DC6150 compatible)
- I'll answer any queries about the chips on the adapter...
- I haven't had a chance to hook it up and try it yet.
- Best bid received in 48 hours (5:00pm Thursday, Eastern Time) takes it
all.
- Considering the weight of the tapes, shipping (from New Haven, CT) will
likely cost around $10.
- I can easily ship via UPS Ground (my personal preference), or I can do
USPS...
- I prefer PayPal, but I'll accept Money Order, or cash if you pick it up in
person.
*** More goodies to come as I clean out & organize the computer room in
my house!
(Won't my wife be so proud of me! :)
- Would it be better to put up a little web page listing the other
items I'll be selling, instead of a message like this? Or is this (the
'ForSale:' subject line) okay?
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Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash
> Jerome Fine replies:
>
> Add one more "m" to your "Hmm" and it will be the same response
> that Hasimir Fenring manages to use in the Dune series.
>
> Seriously, I don't want to have to maintain my own internet system
> since I am much more interested in RT-11. Also, since Ersatz-11
> runs under DOS/W95/W98, the W98 (Yeck) environment has become
> a default last resort.
Are/were you an Ersatz-11 beta tester, or are you rich? I thought
it cost US$3K.
-dq
-Douglas Hurst Quebbeman (DougQ at ixnayamspayIgLou.com) [Call me "Doug"]
Surgically excise the pig-latin from my e-mail address in order to reply
"The large print giveth, and the small print taketh away." -Tom Waits
>
> > From: Dave McGuire
> >
> > On April 16, John R. Keys Jr. wrote:
> > > UPS delivered my Burroughs tape unit model BU4180 yesterday but it was
> > > destroyed. They must have dropped it from a high place as this thing
> > > weighs in at almost 80 pounds..
> >
> > I'm wondering how UPS manages to stay in business anymore. I've
> > shipped about four things via UPS in the past year, and EVERY ONE OF
> > THEM arrived damaged to some extent. WTF??
>
> Meanwhile, I personally have never had a problem with UPS, and with
> the volume of packages coming & going in this building, I've never seen
> anything bad either. Maybe just a moron for a driver?
He didn't mention whether it was residential or commercial delivery;
with commercial/business dleivery, you usually end up establishing
a relationship with the delivery person; as a result, I think those
guys are more carefully because they're going to have to look you
in the eye.
OTOH, residential delivery drivers just dump the package
and run... so in that case, I might suspect a delivery person.
But I've seen videotapes of UPS employees offloading planes,
and with one guy "going long" you can tell how respectful
they are with stuff. And they were being quite jolly about
it, too...
-dq
-Douglas Hurst Quebbeman (DougQ at ixnayamspayIgLou.com) [Call me "Doug"]
Surgically excise the pig-latin from my e-mail address in order to reply
"The large print giveth, and the small print taketh away." -Tom Waits
> I think I mentioned it before relative to UPS but I once shipped a 19" monitor
> from here (California) to Virginia IICRC. The monitor made it fine to the guys
> driveway (He was watching as the UPS driver pulled up)
>
> It was being kicked off the back of the UPS truck onto the asphalt driveway
> that destroyed the monitor. Pretty hard to pack anything (thats big or heavy)
> to withstand that...
Yup, I'd be in prison now for beating the UPS driver within an
inch of his life....
-dq
-Douglas Hurst Quebbeman (DougQ at ixnayamspayIgLou.com) [Call me "Doug"]
Surgically excise the pig-latin from my e-mail address in order to reply
"The large print giveth, and the small print taketh away." -Tom Waits
> > > First off -- can somebody explain the common problem with the
> >> monitors going dim? Can I fix it? (How?) Is there an internal
> >> "intensity" pot that I can adjust to get more life out of the
> >> monitor? It is just bright enough not to strain your eyes at
> >> the highest brightness setting right now... (It's B&W)
> >
> >I have always assumed that the electrons just kick the sh*t
> >out of the phosphor, and the the phosphor just dies... but I
> >hope that's wrong, and that something can indeed be adjusted
> >or replaced (other than the daggone tube itself).
>
> The above basically sums it up. Those early B/W NeXT mono
> monitors have very short lifespans. Couple that with not being able
> to turn off the monitor seperately from the computer and you
> can then see why most of them are pretty dim. This comes up on
> Usenet quite a bit still. Once they're dim, they're dim.
Don't got no Next stuff, but I figured whatever was true of
them would be true of my Apollo (&HP) monitors...
-dq
-Douglas Hurst Quebbeman (DougQ at ixnayamspayIgLou.com) [Call me "Doug"]
Surgically excise the pig-latin from my e-mail address in order to reply
"The large print giveth, and the small print taketh away." -Tom Waits
Just ran across this in the Montreal Gazette.
Nortel Networks Corp. has put up for auction untold millions of dollars worth of
computers, test equipment, office phone systems, photocopiers and tool kits it
once used in St. Laurent and Florida to build Internet equipment for which
demand has evaporated.
The auction will be Webcast - on http://www.dovebid.com - Thursday and
Friday, starting at 9 a.m.
A Montreal-area preview day tomorrow will allow potential buyers to physically
examine the local assets, not just massive quantities of high-end electronic gear
but also fork-lift trucks, heaters, air-compressors and more than 230 Dell laptop
computers, PCs and servers. Nortel is conducting a similar preview day at
another plant in Boca Raton, Fla.
The St. Laurent plant builds Internet transmission equipment and had 6,000
people on its payroll in mid-2000, a figure Quigley estimated has been cut in half.
Its gates, on the south side of the Trans-Canada Highway, will be open between
9 a.m. and 4 p.m. "Please watch for auction signs," DoveBid's Web site instructs
out-of-town buyers coming to see for themselves.
Lawrence
lgwalker(a)mts.net
bigwalk_ca(a)yahoo.com
BOCHS won't even start on my Win2K laptop. Blows immediately with illegal
opcodes.
Oh well.... moving on......
- Matt
At 04:36 PM 4/15/2002 -0500, you wrote:
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: pat(a)cart-server.purdueriots.com
>
> > > I was hoping to find a way to run trusty OS/2 on my laptop
> > when I wasn't
> > > busy with work......
>
> > They stopped trying to support it in the 2.x days. I got Warp 3 to
> > partially boot, but that's all IIRC. I'd say go find
> > yourself a copy of
> > partition magic (or fips) and dual-boot if you want to play
> > with OS/2. :)
>
>Will BOCHS run on that version of windows? You may have a chance with
>that too -- I've heard that it would boot OS/2, but that's second hand
>information.
>
>Chris
>
>
>Christopher Smith, Perl Developer
>Amdocs - Champaign, IL
>
>/usr/bin/perl -e '
>print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n");
>'
>
Matthew Sell
Programmer
On Time Support, Inc.
www.ontimesupport.com
(281) 296-6066
Join the Metrology Software discussion group METLIST!
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I dunno, I think shipping UPS to a business address versus a residential
address may have some effect, not sure.. I hate Fedex ground, they like to
deliver my company's packages to Lewan & Assosciates, an office product-type
company down the street from us. Gah!
Will J
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From: Lawrence Walker <lgwalker(a)mts.net>
To: Mark Tapley <mtapley(a)swri.edu>; classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
<classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
I would be interested in seeing the mod documentation when you find it. I
keep hoping I'll find a cheap stash of V-20s to use on about 3 or 4 of my
boxes, altho they come up fairly reasonable on EPay from time to time.
Hows the Stylewriter project going ?
Lawrence
What do you call cheap. They are commonly available from JDR and other for
around $10 for the V20-10, and $9 for the -8{8mhz} version.
Allison
> -----Original Message-----
> From: R. D. Davis [mailto:rdd@rddavis.org]
> Quothe Christopher Smith, from writings of Tue, Apr 16, 2002
> > because I just don't have the time to write a well-formatted reply,
> > and because it is not that offensive.
> Your point is? Let me take a guess: you feel that your time is more
> important than anyone else's time, disk space and bandwidth. As to it
I don't have any say over anyone else's time, but I certainly do my
best not to take much of it. If I can save them 20 minutes of work,
at the expense of reading a poorly formatted email, why not offer
the choice?
As for disk space, you'll note (I hope) that even the most terribly
formatted of my posts usually have all of the cruft clipped out of
them.
In addition you'll note that (yes, as a courtesy to anyone who might
be reading) I tend to strip out other peoples' formatting mistakes when
I reply too.
My point is that even though I usually do these things, and even though
I probably put more work into it than most other people due to this
piece of microsoft trash that I'm using as a mail client, I don't agree
that these rules ought to be enforced short of using social pressure
when it's appropriate. Did you really not get that from my last post?
(I'm not being condescending here, I'm really curious as to whether I
missed the mark in trying to lay that out...)
> not being offensive, let's just say that there are people in this
> world who don't bathe or use deodorants who don't think they're
> offensive to others.
Indeed, and I generally wouldn't associate with them for the health of
my own nose. If a poorly formatted post is that offensive to you, then
certainly you're welcome to not read it, and you will either gain time,
or lose one of a number of other things because of it. I won't say that
it's right or wrong.
> For many years most Usenet posts and e-mail did follow such rules,
Most still do, at least the ones that I read. Some don't, and of those,
most have no good reason not to -- I'll grant that. I still believe that
because exceptions to that rule exist, enforcement of the rule ought to
take that into account.
> then, the 'net became "popular;" the world wasn't perfect back then
> either, but most users of the 'net at that time were more likely to be
> more intelligent, or at least better educated, than the average
> person running loose in our society.
It's a shame that's not the case any more, certainly. So how about that
classic cmp UUCP network?
Chris
Christopher Smith, Perl Developer
Amdocs - Champaign, IL
/usr/bin/perl -e '
print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n");
'
> Quothe Christopher Smith, from writings of Tue, Apr 16, 2002 at 10:48:39AM -0500:
> > (typical windows-using mindset, but let's not get into that :),
>
> Alas, it's illegal to properly fix such problems with an appropriate
> LART.
>
> > and I'm really trying to play by their rules. They have no
>
> Why play by their rules? The more who do, the worse the problem will
> become for all of us. Let the biz'droid lusers know that their
> software is broken and that they need to pay an appropriate
> professional to fix their minds as well.
Dang, RD, I was ready to quote your reply to Marvin with a
big uppercase DITTO MAN!, then you go and say something like
this...
Gotta respect ya, you sure don't mince words...
OTOH, when we bought those 25 Dells at Christmas, I drew
the line on new software; we got Win 2000, not Win XP, and
I tried like hell to get Office 2000 instead of Office XP,
even to the point of trying to get TPTB buy Office 2000 at
a local Marketpro show. But they like that one-stop shopping...
-dq
-Douglas Hurst Quebbeman (DougQ at ixnayamspayIgLou.com) [Call me "Doug"]
Surgically excise the pig-latin from my e-mail address in order to reply
"The large print giveth, and the small print taketh away." -Tom Waits
On April 16, Douglas H. Quebbeman wrote:
> He didn't mention whether it was residential or commercial delivery;
> with commercial/business dleivery, you usually end up establishing
> a relationship with the delivery person; as a result, I think those
> guys are more carefully because they're going to have to look you
> in the eye.
>
> OTOH, residential delivery drivers just dump the package
> and run... so in that case, I might suspect a delivery person.
All residential deliveries...but as far as being on the receiving
end, I work from home and usually see the driver in person, and I
*always* establish a relationship with the drivers for all the
services that deliver packages to my house.
> But I've seen videotapes of UPS employees offloading planes,
> and with one guy "going long" you can tell how respectful
> they are with stuff. And they were being quite jolly about
> it, too...
Fear.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire "Mmmm. Big."
St. Petersburg, FL -Den
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tothwolf [mailto:tothwolf@concentric.net]
> Then I guess you will have to deal with people like myself
> reformatting
> your emails when replying. I personally can't stand to see an
> email thread
> with mostly proper quoting where someone replies at the top.
> Several email
> lists I'm on have an enforced rule that email must be quoted
> and threaded
> properly.
That's all good and everything, but I'm certain I'd have reservations
about subscribing to a mailing list that enforced it.
It so happens that it's quite a bit of extra effort for me to
re-format mail so that it looks acceptable, and should I not have
the time, yes, I will reply in a form closer to what this piece of
$(*& mail client tries to shove down my throat -- I do that both
because I just don't have the time to write a well-formatted reply,
and because it is not that offensive.
HTML is a different story, since most sane people, given a choice of
mail readers, would pick one that won't display it. On the other hand,
that can be stripped out automatically, leaving no trouble for the
people on either end of the conversation.
At any rate, removing a post, or a subscriber, because they put the
quotations in the wrong place is completely idiotic; this is done,
right, or how else would the rule be enforced?
> To date, all of the email etiquette information I've read
> states that a
> reply should always follow the quoted text, with the authors'
> names at the
> very top. Quotes should also be trimmed down, sometimes to just one
> author's text. Any extra or unnecessary quoted text (including sigs)
> should be removed to save bandwith.
Sure, in a perfect world, that's great, but I've seen some very
informative posts that don't follow these rules. Would you just dump
them? You're certainly not going to talk everybody into following all
of these rules all of the time.
> If the subject of a thread changes significantly, the subject
> line should
> be modified accordingly. A modified subject line should
> typically include
> _at least_ 1/3-1/2 of the original subject line text,
> prefixed by 'was',
> and surrounded by parentheses. The current subject line is a
> good example.
Indeed it should, but again, people forget, or just get lazy, and
that doesn't mean that the text of the message is any less valuable.
I suppose the point of this whole rant is that regardless of how good
these rules are, people will not follow all of them all of the time,
and there's really nothing you, or I, or anyone else, can, or should,
do about it. (There must be a rule about the number of ,,,s in a
single sentence.) That being said, and this being off topic (on top
of the fact that it's a problem that can't -- or shouldn't -- be
fixed), I'll shut up now.
Chris
Christopher Smith, Perl Developer
Amdocs - Champaign, IL
/usr/bin/perl -e '
print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n");
'
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dave McGuire [mailto:mcguire@neurotica.com]
> It's been many years since I ran NeXTSTEP, so this might be
> useless...but does "nu" modify the netinfo database? If not, well,
> that might be the problem.
Um... I have no idea. :)
Chris
Christopher Smith, Perl Developer
Amdocs - Champaign, IL
/usr/bin/perl -e '
print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n");
'
In a message dated 4/16/2002 12:12:37 PM Central Daylight Time,
dquebbeman(a)acm.org writes:
> >
> > > From: Dave McGuire
> > >
> > > On April 16, John R. Keys Jr. wrote:
> > > > UPS delivered my Burroughs tape unit model BU4180 yesterday but it was
> > > > destroyed. They must have dropped it from a high place as this thing
> > > > weighs in at almost 80 pounds..
> > >
> > > I'm wondering how UPS manages to stay in business anymore. I've
> > > shipped about four things via UPS in the past year, and EVERY ONE OF
> > > THEM arrived damaged to some extent. WTF??
> >
> > Meanwhile, I personally have never had a problem with UPS, and with
> > the volume of packages coming & going in this building, I've never seen
> > anything bad either. Maybe just a moron for a driver?
>
> He didn't mention whether it was residential or commercial delivery;
> with commercial/business dleivery, you usually end up establishing
> a relationship with the delivery person; as a result, I think those
> guys are more carefully because they're going to have to look you
> in the eye.
>
> OTOH, residential delivery drivers just dump the package
> and run... so in that case, I might suspect a delivery person.
>
> But I've seen videotapes of UPS employees offloading planes,
> and with one guy "going long" you can tell how respectful
> they are with stuff. And they were being quite jolly about
> it, too...
>
> -dq
>
I ordered a NIC from a company and it shipped inside a bigger box shipped
UPS. One corner of the box was crushed to 50% of its original height.
Thankfully the NIC was far from damaged. I should have taken a picture of
that box just to show what UPS does. They don't give a *(&* about the
packages.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Chris Wren [mailto:jcwren@jcwren.com]
> But then, one thing I have noticed about the list,
> besides being an
> excellent wealth of information and intelligent people, is
> that some don't
> know when to let something end.
You can count me in that category. I wonder whether it's typical
of the kind of person you'd find on this list?
As a general observation, technical types tend to push things
further than most people appreciate in several cases.
Chris
Christopher Smith, Perl Developer
Amdocs - Champaign, IL
/usr/bin/perl -e '
print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n");
'
> > From: Dave McGuire [mailto:mcguire@neurotica.com]
>
> > So, why don't you use a real mail client...?
>
> ... because restrictions here are such that they don't mind me
> using their pipe for personal things in a limited manner, but
> they really hate for people to put any software on their system
> (typical windows-using mindset, but let's not get into that :),
> and I'm really trying to play by their rules. They have no
> real mail client, in fact their installations of lookout(!) are
> even more broken than usual.
My requirement for mail clients that would be used here at
work includes most importantly that they be MAPI-enabled
e-mail clients. If you have to ask why, the answer is: our
line of business application is a Windows-only application,
and we find that by sticking exclusively to Windows-based
applications, we achieve a high rate of integration between
all our systems, and more importantly, between all our lusers,
er, users. The shorter version of that ansnwer is: groupware.
I'd be interested in seeing what e-mail clients Dave and
others use *THAT ARE MAPI-ENABLED*. Not a criterium for
most of you perhaps, but it is for me.
-dq
-Douglas Hurst Quebbeman (DougQ at ixnayamspayIgLou.com) [Call me "Doug"]
Surgically excise the pig-latin from my e-mail address in order to reply
"The large print giveth, and the small print taketh away." -Tom Waits
On April 16, Carlini, Antonio wrote:
> > Any reasonably modern BSD-based system should have the md5
> program
> >preinstalled. If not, you should be able to find it at
>
> I think you'll find he's running a much older
> version of BSD called W98 :
Hmm. Well, that's a problem that's easy to solve. :)
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire "Mmmm. Big."
St. Petersburg, FL -Den
> If FedEx dropped their price a little I think more people
>would use them vice UPS.
I don't do heavy FedEx Ground shipping (although I do heavey FedEx
Express shipping, so the discount may carry over, I don't know), but in
my limited uses of FedEx Ground, they are between $5 and $25 cheaper than
UPS Ground depending on distance, weight, and size.
-chris
<http://www.mythtech.net>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Chris Wren [mailto:jcwren@jcwren.com]
> Jesus. And people wonder why women have a hard time in the industry.
Um, I think this is getting pretty bad. On the other hand, I don't
know (nor have I any idea whether anyone does) the target of all of
this jest well enough to predict whether she'd have a problem with it.
That said -- I will assume that "the industry" is on topic here and
continue along those lines for a minute -- I don't know whether this
is really an industry specific problem. It strikes me as occurring in
many different social settings.
Chris
Christopher Smith, Perl Developer
Amdocs - Champaign, IL
/usr/bin/perl -e '
print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n");
'
I took a little trip over to Champaign, IL yesterday (Mon) and met up with
fellow list member Chris Smith.
Chris: Just to let you know, I made it home, hot & tired, but ok.
It was good to meet you and visit for a while.
No doubt, Chris spent yesterday evening going through the carload of stuff
I took over to him. I'll let him tell about that. Don't let him get
away with calling it his 'latest haul', because he didn't, it was
'home delivery'. :)
After that I went to a little town about 12 miles southwest of Champaign.
It is named Sadorus and has a population of around 400. It just occurred
to me, this town probably holds the record for DEC per capita. Anyway, I
stopped at a place called C-U Digital. There I found a warehouse, roughly
8,000 sq. ft., filled with nothing but DEC.
A summary of what I saw: Stacks of 5000/2xx DECstations, boxes of
LK201/401 keyboards, piles of DECserver 90's, several RAxx drives,
several StorageWorks cabinets, a mess of RF7x DSSI drives, a few
Alpha servers, several RAID cabinets. This is just the short list.
I'd go on but I don't want to be the cause of excess drooling. :)
Chris: IIRC, they have VT100 keyboards, and a few still in original
packing.
Kevin Craft, the owner, was away on a fishing trip, so I talked with
this brother Keith. It seems they are still doing a good business,
supplying die-hard customers with DEC hardware. He related one
recent story where a customer wanted to replace a couple dying VR260
monitors, only the customer insisted that they be new units.
I did get a few prices and as expected they are a lot higher than
what we list members would prefer. IIRC, an RRD42/43 for around $75,
or an RF73 for around $50. About the only good price I heard was
around $10 for about any DEC drive mounting bracket. Granted I have
found them for less than half that, but those deals are getting
fewer and farther between.
I guess I can't fault these two for the prices, after all, selling DEC is
their livelihood. Keith did mention the amounts of stuff setting around
that has not sold in years. For example, a pallet full of DELNI's.
I brought up the the subject of this mailing list and hobbyists who are
always looking for various items. I then mentioned that selling a mess
of DELNI's for a few bucks to hobbyists was better than setting on a pallet
gathering dust. He went defensive on me, stating that as soon as he
does that, he will get a call from a faithful customer wanting dozens of
them.
Of course that was Keith talking and Kevin is the boss. I know from
past dealings that Kevin is a little more receptive to some ideas.
I did get an agreement that sounds promising. I know where this a local
cache of DEC, removed from service and setting dormant. The place has
a habit of letting stuff set for around five years and then just tossing
it. Even with that, I can't seem to talk them out of anything now.
I suspect that is because 1) I am cheap, 2) I am just some individual who
wandered in. I told Keith that I would get an inventory and he can make
an offer, and if it goes through I would like a couple of the machines
as a finder's fee. He agreed.
The big sour note, I recognized some single drive expansion boxes. However,
the DEC badge had been replaced with a Compaq. Compaq actually went to
the trouble of having the plastic badge inserts remade in their image.
Fortunately, I had not yet had lunch.
Well, I have rambled enough. If there is a DEC item that you just
absolutely, positively have to have regardless of the price then you
might want to contact them.
Kevin Craft
C-U Digital
100 W. Market St. (the main drag thru town)
Sadorus, IL 61872
(217) 598-2424
kaccudigital(a)aol.com (Kevin's or Keith's, I don't know which)
Mike
On April 16, Richard Erlacher wrote:
> Last month, I had to build a programmer for a microcontroller. It required
> only three components other than the MCU. There was an oscillator, a MAX232A,
> and a 74HCT125. I had no trouble getting a suitable oscillator, and I
> generally have a few MAX232's around. It took weeks to find the HCT125,
> though, given that I didn't want to pay $10 for shipping of a $.25 part. In
> the meantime, I'd built the thing with a GAL16V8. Overkill, well, true, but I
> didn't have to deal with the widespread search.
Hmm, Mouser has 74HCT125s in stock at $0.40. They're in SO-14
packages, but they've got 'em.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire "Mmmm. Big."
St. Petersburg, FL -Den
On April 16, r. 'bear' stricklin wrote:
> The 'missing packaging' photo is essentially what things looked like when
> I opened the box. The rest of the photos detail the damage done. Clearly
> this is not the fault of UPS. I couldn't have filed an insurance claim,
> and it would've been unreasonable of me to have done so. The entire burden
> of the damage was on the bonehead shipper who didn't pack the thing. To
> the shipper's credit, he took responsibility and shipped me another one
> (again, in an otherwise-empty box (grr!) but which arrived, mercifully,
> intact).
Hmm, does that vendor have any more of them? :)
> The point is, UPS publishes packaging guidelines. Use them and be happy.
>
> Based on my experience, I'd have to say that your gripes with UPS
> destroying packages might better be placed squarely on the inadequate use
> of packing materials.
My experience has been just the opposite, unfortunately. I rarely
if ever receive anything that's been poorly packed, and I nearly
always have problems with packages destroyed by UPS. I guess I'm just
unlucky. :-/
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire "Mmmm. Big."
St. Petersburg, FL -Den
On April 16, John Chris Wren wrote:
> What Chris said said it best. I don't know her. She may or may appreciate
> the attempt at humor that seemingly has run a little long. I know very few
> women who are designers. And I know *alot* of designers. I'd hate to see
> someone get turned away because of perceived attitudes.
That would be beyond terrible, yes.
> By my take it should have ended about the comment that was something to
> effect of "Clone Jeri or the Commodore-1?".
Fair enough.
> But then, one thing I have noticed about the list, besides being an
> excellent wealth of information and intelligent people, is that some don't
> know when to let something end.
...and some don't know when to relax.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire "Mmmm. Big."
St. Petersburg, FL -Den
On April 16, Christopher Smith wrote:
> Next, can anyone tell me why, after booting into single user mode,
> and changing the root password with 'nu -m' I might still be
> refused a login next time I boot?
...
> A) It's getting another password from somewhere and overwriting the
> one I put in? (I hope not.. :)
It's been many years since I ran NeXTSTEP, so this might be
useless...but does "nu" modify the netinfo database? If not, well,
that might be the problem.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire "Mmmm. Big."
St. Petersburg, FL -Den
On April 16, Christopher Smith wrote:
> > So, why don't you use a real mail client...?
>
> ... because restrictions here are such that they don't mind me
> using their pipe for personal things in a limited manner, but
> they really hate for people to put any software on their system
> (typical windows-using mindset, but let's not get into that :),
> and I'm really trying to play by their rules. They have no
> real mail client, in fact their installations of lookout(!) are
> even more broken than usual.
Oh, ouch... :-(
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire "Mmmm. Big."
St. Petersburg, FL -Den
On April 16, Christopher Smith wrote:
> > Jesus. And people wonder why women have a hard time in the industry.
>
> Um, I think this is getting pretty bad. On the other hand, I don't
> know (nor have I any idea whether anyone does) the target of all of
> this jest well enough to predict whether she'd have a problem with it.
>
> That said -- I will assume that "the industry" is on topic here and
> continue along those lines for a minute -- I don't know whether this
> is really an industry specific problem. It strikes me as occurring in
> many different social settings.
It certainly does, though it seems to be worse in this industry. I've
worked with many women in this business (indeed, the most talented
programmer I've ever worked with is female)...the vast majority take
stuff like this in the way it is intended (humorous and not
disrespectful) and laugh about it, while a couple get offended. Those
who take offense, well, us guys probably shouldn't say things like
that to (or about) them...though I believe they need to relax a bit and
find something different to get up-in-arms about.
Now, if it interferes with the career progress or professional respect
of the person in question, that's a WHOLE different story...that is
wholly unacceptable and must not be tolerated. This is a JOKE, it
is FUN, and the moment it steps beyond that (for either party) it
needs to stop.
-Dave
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St. Petersburg, FL -Den
On Mon, 15 Apr 2002; Enrico Badella <enrico.badella(a)softstar.it> wrote:
Re: cure equiepement that was in the rain... best practices???
> I ve this nice question for all of you... what are the best ways to
> cure boxes that were out exposed to the weather for an unknown amount
> of time.
> Last week I managed to get my hands on 2 vaxstations 4000/60, a Cisco
> MGS, a HP Apollo 700 workstation, Sun Sparcstation 20 (WOW), a VAX 4000-300
> and a Panasonic 7330. All have varying degree of dampness 8-((. At the
> moment I have them in house dry and warm... should I stuff them in the oven
> at low temperature and force a drying or best let them settle for some time.
I've seen both done.
A few years back, a tree fell into the back of my garage. The main hole in
the roof was directly over and IBM workstation and its 19" monitor. Many
gallons of water funneled down through that hole and into the monitor. In
addition to the water, there was the the gravel off the roof shingles as
well as small pieces of tree branches, leaves, and bark that got into the
monitor. Since the priority was the garage, the machine and monitor got
moved to the barn where they sat for almost a year. That meant they went
through a fall, winter and spring before I dealt with them again. Since the
insurance covered the workstation, I decided to just not mess with it. With
full knowledge of what had happened, a friend of mine said he would like
to have it. I gave it to him and after a little clean up he gave it the
'magic smoke' test. AFAIK, he is still using the machine.
OTOH, I used to work for a Federal agency and they had a supply depot & repair
facility. I toured it once and watched them dunk a 100 watt UHF tube type
transmitter into a tank of cleaning solution. They then put it into a
huge oven for a period of time. I have no idea for how long nor at what
temperature, but the units went back out into the field and worked fine.
Mike
I don't know if anyone is interested, but I suspect that I have
found a way to set-up a dual file structure CD for RT-11.
It would initially be started under Windows 98, although
that is not required. I have yet to actually test my concept
in practice since I don't think I have the required hardware
on my Windows 98 system and I don't have a working
CDROM on my real PDP-11. However, in principle
I don't see why it will not work based on the information
I have been able to gather during the last couple of months
since I acquired a CD-RW CDROM drive.
If you are interested, please contact me and I will write a full
report.
Sincerely yours,
Jerome Fine
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> Any reasonably modern BSD-based system should have the md5
program
>preinstalled. If not, you should be able to find it at
I think you'll find he's running a much older
version of BSD called W98 :
Someone seems to have kindly backported
MD5 to that platform:
http://www.pc-tools.net/win32/freeware/console/
Antonio
On April 15, Ben Franchuk wrote:
> > I'd say the biggest problem will be filling all the orders. I'd probably
> > be looking for a contract manufacturer in her place.
>
> Give her time ... Cloning is not quite up to speed yet.
Hmm, can I place an advance order?
-Dave
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> From: Dave McGuire
>
> On April 16, John R. Keys Jr. wrote:
> > UPS delivered my Burroughs tape unit model BU4180 yesterday but it was
> > destroyed. They must have dropped it from a high place as this thing
> > weighs in at almost 80 pounds..
>
> I'm wondering how UPS manages to stay in business anymore. I've
> shipped about four things via UPS in the past year, and EVERY ONE OF
> THEM arrived damaged to some extent. WTF??
>
> -Dave
>
> --
>
Meanwhile, I personally have never had a problem with UPS, and with
the volume of packages coming & going in this building, I've never seen
anything bad either. Maybe just a moron for a driver?
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> From: Cameron Kaiser
>
> > Mmmm, Windows user. Crunchy and good with ketchup.
>
> .sig dibs!
>
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> -- Mmmm, Windows user. Crunchy and good with ketchup. -- Dave McGuire
> ---------
>
>
Well, the way I like it is... "Do not meddle in the affairs of
dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup."
I don't know who the author is, but this web page seems to say that it was
derived from J.R.R. Tolkien..
http://ftp.logica.com/~stepneys/cyc/m/meddle.htm
... which leads to...
http://ftp.logica.com/~stepneys/cyc/u/unix.htm
...which brings it back around to being on topic, I hope :)
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> Douglas H. Quebbeman wrote:
> > Using a small area of the board where you could correct any damage
> > that this substance might cause, try a little CLR... it's a mixture
> > sold throughout the midwest (U.S.) that dissolves Calcium, Lime, and
> > Rust deposits. Phosphoric acid is one of its components... so be real
> > careful. I've never used it on PC boards before, but it can't be beaten
> > for removing corrosion off metal parts.
>
> I've thought about picking some CLR up, but don't really have a current
> use for it. You mention that it will remove corrosion, does that include rust?
I use CLR for:
* cleaning the coffeepot (rinse with vinegar afterward)
* decalcifying the showerhead
* removing rust from nuts, bolts, etc. hardware.
* removing rust stains from the clothes washer
* making copper pennies be shiny again
As others mention, after you clean rust off metal, it will begin
to rust almost immediately. I usually use a lubricant made by
BG Industries called 'HK' afterward, to prevent corrossion, but
sometimes settle for WD-40.
If you leave ferrous metals in too long, some ionization
process starts to leave a dark film on the parts. It looks
ugly, but so far, those parts don't further rust (but the
dark film looks like corrosion itself though I don't think
it is).
hth,
-dq
-Douglas Hurst Quebbeman (DougQ at ixnayamspayIgLou.com) [Call me "Doug"]
Surgically excise the pig-latin from my e-mail address in order to reply
"The large print giveth, and the small print taketh away." -Tom Waits
I should know this, but can't remember, are the Cab Kits for the DEQNA and
DELQA interchangable?
I was up in storage today and I seem to have more DEQNA Cab Kits than
DEQNA's and the only DEQNA I could find was in a system, and I've got two
DELQA's and no DELQA Cab Kits.
On a possitive note, the Palm Pilot "Field Guide" I asked about last
weekend came in very handy as I couldn't remember what boards I had (and of
course my inventory list was at home). I ended up bringing home a lot more
than I planned on as I found a couple of cool boards :^)
Zane
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On April 16, Christopher Smith wrote:
> Sorry -- I, for one, would jump at the chance to use a real mail
> client. It would keep me from having to wrap my own lines (!) :/
So, why don't you use a real mail client...?
-Dave
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St. Petersburg, FL -Den
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pat(a)cart-server.purdueriots.com
> [mailto:pat@cart-server.purdueriots.com]
> I know some people aren't great typists or use funky (eg.
> Outlook) email
> clients, but to me it helps make the message much more readable.
Sorry -- I, for one, would jump at the chance to use a real mail
client. It would keep me from having to wrap my own lines (!) :/
Chris
Christopher Smith, Perl Developer
Amdocs - Champaign, IL
/usr/bin/perl -e '
print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n");
'
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Zane H. Healy [mailto:healyzh@aracnet.com]
> I've no idea how easy it would be, I've never tried to take
> my drive apart.
> As for making a 'sleave', I don't think you could without one
> to go by (even
> then I'm not sure). The worst part is the caddies for this
> drive are rare
> as hens teeth!
Well, I haven't tried taking it apart either, but it may be worth
mentioning specifically that when you put the clear "sleeve" back
into the drive, it almost certainly releases some kind of catch
which allows it to lock onto the "cd-holding-insert-thing" and pull
the whole thing back out.
I would try to find that catch, which is most likely off to the
one side or the other (just a guess, since that's probably where
I'd put it...), or directly above or below the disk. (like built
into the spindle that turns the CD somehow...)
If you can get to it, and release it, you ought to be able to pull
the disc out.
Otherwise, yes, the caddies are kind of difficult to find, but
I have two (one for each drive), so you can probably get them.
Chris
Christopher Smith, Perl Developer
Amdocs - Champaign, IL
/usr/bin/perl -e '
print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n");
'
On April 16, Jerome H. Fine wrote:
> It took a week of trying, but I have finally downloaded all three CD
> images for RSX-11 and RT-11 from:
> ftp://ftp.trailing-edge.com/pub/cd-images/
> Note also that the file MD5SUMS seems to contain checksum
> values, but I don't know how to use these values or produce them
> myself to check if my files are correct. Can anyone help?
$ cat > /tmp/foo
blah
^D
$ md5 /tmp/foo
MD5 (/tmp/foo) = 0d599f0ec05cebda8c3b8a68c32a1b47
$
Any reasonably modern BSD-based system should have the md5 program
preinstalled. If not, you should be able to find it at
ftp://ftp.cerias.purdue.edu/pub/tools/unix/crypto/md5/.
See http://www.cert.org/security-improvement/implementations/i002.01.html
for more information.
-Dave
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Got a little humor impairment problem there, John?
-Dave
On April 16, John Chris Wren wrote:
> Jesus. And people wonder why women have a hard time in the industry.
>
> --John
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
> > [mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Gene Buckle
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 9:45 AM
> > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
> > Subject: Re: The CommodoreOne is near!
> >
> >
> > > > > > I'd say the biggest problem will be filling all the
> > orders. I'd probably
> > > > > > be looking for a contract manufacturer in her place.
> > >
> > > > > Give her time ... Cloning is not quite up to speed yet.
> > >
> > > > Hmm, can I place an advance order?
> > >
> > > I do hope you're referring to the *computer*.
> > >
> > Well that depends. Does the computer come with a Life-Like(tm) Jeri doll?
> > *GD&R*
> >
> >
> > g.
> >
> >
>
>
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I saw this on another list, thought there might be interest here.
On Mon, 15 Apr 2002, Douglas A. Gwyn wrote:
> Subj: Vax 11/785
> Date: 4/15/2002 10:03:46 AM Eastern Daylight Time
> From: PPSJM(a)prodigy.net
>
> Hello,
>
> I just wanted to throw this out and see if anybody has any interest.
> We have an opportunity to pick up a complete VAX11/785.
> With all the boards in it, it's actually worth a decent amount as scrap
> metal. It is currently queued for the scrap heap.
> I would buy it and resell it if anyone has an interest. I guess if
> anyone is interested make me an offer and I'll see if it's worth it for
> me to pick it up.
> I just downloaded and built simh V2.9. I was able to boot the
> RA90 disk image I created for Charon-VAX. No timeout, full
Just to be nit-picky, that would be V2.9-5.
> source, with Ethernet support coming. There's supposed to
> be a couple of bugs, but I haven't found them yet.
Ethernet is coming?!?! When? I could really use ethernet support for the
PDP-11 version of SIMH!
BTW, how does the speed of the VAX version compare to real hardware?
Zane
I am looking for the specs for a Hewlett Packard Vectra Vi series 4 5/90 computer. Someone gave me this machine which works fine however getting the darn thing open so I can install a cd rom is another matter. Its like a vault or something. If anyone can find specs for this computer could you please email me the URL to fenwick(a)ns.sympatico.ca
Thank you
Robb Fenwick
UPS delivered my Burroughs tape unit model BU4180 yesterday but it was
destroyed. They must have dropped it from a high place as this thing
weighs in at almost 80 pounds. Things inside are pretty bad but I would
like to try and get it looking nice again, since the boards inside are
damaged I do not think I can get it to work again. Does anyone on the
list have repair manual for this model? I would like to see how he belts
go around the pulleys inside the case. Thanks
Does anyone know what this is or want it? It looks somewhat
collectable... I'm asking $25 for it, that's how much it'll cost me for
the switches and LEDs if I build my own frontpanel instead of re-use this
one's.
Here's a description, pictures to appear soon on
http://purdueriots.com/imgs/ called bie*.jpg
>From the date on the back, it looks to have been purchased in '78 or '79.
It's a 6800 based system that I picked up at Purdue Salvage for a couple
$$. It has 3 IO cards each with a 6821 on it, a MPU card with a 6800, a
ROM card, a front-panel card and some other card with (i believe) RAM of
some sort on it (chips are Intel P5101L's 22pin DIPs).
Front panel has 24 toggle switches w/LEDs (persumably for the IO), a
6digit 7seg display labeled TIME, 7seg labeled FAULT and a pair of 7seg's
labeled STEP. On the right, a 2x6 matrix of pushbuttons labelled 0-9 and
a pair labeled "S". Next to that, a 2x6 matrix of PBs with LEDs next to
them, labeled:
STEP BRANCH STEP NO.
PROG. START INST.
TIME ABORT MASK
OUTPUT ABORT ON/OFF
INPUT MASK ABORT STEP NO.
INPUT ON/OFF CLEAR STEP
Along the bottom, there's a row of switches, left to rigth:
POWER: Red push-on push-off square switch
AUTO/MANUAL: SPST keyswitch
EXAM LOAD/RUN: SPST keyswitch
PROGRAM: Set of four 'interlocked' buttons (only one is set at a time) 1-4
START: momentary PB
RUN, HOLD: interlocked PB's
JOG: momentary PB
RESET: FAULT, SYST: momentary PB, ALARM: push-on/push-off
ABORT: momentary PB
The case is rackmount, about 5U or 6U.
On the back:
50pin "Amphenol" scsi-style connector. Connected to three IO cards.
Power inlet, outlet, fuse
SONALERT beeper.
On April 15, Sridhar the POWERful wrote:
> > Last week I managed to get my hands on 2 vaxstations 4000/60, a Cisco
> > MGS, a HP Apollo 700 workstation, Sun Sparcstation 20 (WOW), a VAX 4000-300
> > and a Panasonic 7330. All have varying degree of dampness 8-((. At the
> > moment I have them in house dry and warm... should I stuff them in the oven
> > at low temperature and force a drying or best let them settle for some time.
>
> I would carefully rinse them off, taking care not to soak anything that
> would be damaged by water. Then I would pat dry with a paper towel and
> let dry. I wouldn't stick anything electronic in the oven.
Actually it works quite well, at *low* temperatures. Electric ovens
work best for this since gas ovens produce tons of moisture. Trouble
is, many ovens can't go low enough (~200F or so).
I've had good results from sitting stuff atop floor-mounted heater
vents in the winter. This obviously works best when the equipment in
question has air vents.
Over the past ten years or so, I have gotten a *large* quantity of
equipment (literally hundreds of computers) that has been out in the
rain, sometimes for months. Some of it I use daily even now.
Computer stuff (except for floppy and hard drives) tends to deal with
it fine, even monitors. Analog stuff like test equipment tends not to
fare so well, nor does mechanical stuff like scanners (though my main
scanner was indeed out in the rain for about a week; after a little
TLC it performs flawlessly). The water doesn't seem to do any harm at
all, even with long-term exposure...it's the crap that the water can
carry into the equipment, and sometimes corrosion later on.
-Dave
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On April 15, Doc wrote:
> > TLC it performs flawlessly). The water doesn't seem to do any harm at
> > all, even with long-term exposure...it's the crap that the water can
> > carry into the equipment, and sometimes corrosion later on.
>
> So what can you do with accumulated mineal salts around component
> legs? Looks like tin "rust". I tried firm-but-gentle with a stiff
> toothbrush, and didn't get anywhere.
> I have that MV3100-90 board that I think just needs the corrosion,
> which I suspect is conductive, removed.
I use Alconox, a trisodium phosphate based cleaner that's very
effective. I have a big pile of acid brushes...those little
pencil-sized brushes that go for about a dime a dozen. I think they
came from MSC, but I don't recall for sure. Their bristles are about
1" long by default, but you can easily trim them down to make them
much stiffer. They're good for scrubbing stuff like that...similar to
a toothbrush but easier to deal with.
-Dave
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St. Petersburg, FL - Mr. Bill
Hi,
The phosphor compositions are not secret, only the way they are made!
The old monochrome green P39 is made of Zinc Silicate activated with
Manganese and a trace of Arsenic to extend the persistence,(Zn2SiO4:Mn:As)
which is the main difference between that and P1 (Zn2SiO4:Mn).
The old monochrome orange "LA" phosphor is made of Cadmium Chlorophosphate
activated with Manganese (Cd5(PO4)3.Cl:Mn). There are not always
equivalents between the two codes. We stopped making LA phosphor for the
far eastern market in the mid 90's because of environmental issues and the
rise of colour monitors.
I hope this helps
David Pendrill
Head of Research and Development.
Phosphor Technology
If I understand it well, I could use one tabletop TK50-GA I have :-)
That's right ?
Oh, another more thing: Could I take one complete image of one
backup tape to put it in a "virtual tape image" format ?
I have one backup of Oracle for VMS (very old) and I'd like to recover
it and mount under one simulator like SIMH or so.
Greetings
Sergio
----- Mensaje Original -----
Remitente: "Greg Elkin" <beermat(a)bouncy-castle.demon.co.uk>
Fecha: Martes, Abril 16, 2002 11:32 am
Asunto: Re: Assorted goodies & TK Question
> > Has anyone ever gotten a "TK50-Z" in a 'TK SCSI' encosure to
> work with
> > any 'normal' scsi controller on a PC or something?
> >
> Yup, got a stripped one sat on a desk at the moment ;
> TK50 (ver E4) from a different system
> the SCSI-TK50 drive adaptor board from the (scrap) enclosure, set
> to ID5
> PC AT PSU to drive the adapter board & TK50 drive
> PC with Adaptec AHA1540CF, running DOS6.22 & Adaptecs DOS driver
> (ASPI4DOS.SYS) loaded.
>
> Using the ST program (v1.1, by John Wilson) I can read & write
> images from/to
> TK50 catridges happily.
>
> I have the thing nekkid as I need to clean the TK50s head using a
> Qtip with
> IPA on every few tapes I play with as they get gunked up from
> reading the old
> tapes quite quickly.
>
> Now, if someone happens to have an image of the Mvax-II full
> diagnostics that
> could be usefull...
>
>
> greg
>
>
Lawrence wrote:
> On the Rainbow I saw mention of either an EPROM mod (it's documented
>according to www.old-computers.com) or choosing the OS on start-up. I can't
>remember the boot-up choice on my 'bow and it's buried right now.
Boot-up choice is made by telling the system which disk to boot
from. But you don't get to that choice unless you modify the boot PROM (I
think not EPROM) to account for the V20's faster (fewer cycles) execution
of a timing loop. The modification is documented, I think it's in Rainbow
News and I can dig it out in a couple weeks if anyone is interested.
For purposes of the original thread, modifying a Rainbow is
needless, because it already includes a Z-80 (4 MHz) in addition to the
8088 (4.mumble MHz), and will run Dec CP/M-80/86. It probably makes a
pretty good platform for anyone wishing to cross-develop from MS-DOS (up to
3.10b) to CP/M.
For hot-rodding purposes, the V-20 mod is recommended by Rainbow
News as a good way to get more speed out of the Rainbow.
- Mark
but it won't help with the current distribution problem. The PSU
who's output after the diode drop is the highest voltage will end
up sourcing all the current. Not what you really want.
-tony
Not quite, the forward volt drop of the diodes will even
out the current between the individual units. Even
shottky barrier diodes have a vf of >0.4v at the curents
that would be involved.
Lee.
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Has anyone ever gotten a "TK50-Z" in a 'TK SCSI' encosure to work with any
'normal' scsi controller on a PC or something? I picked one up for a few
$$ today, and just realized the enclosure has a 220V power supply...
Also, how do I get the disk out of an RRD40 without a computer attached?
If anyone's interested in this stuff, reply off-list:
DEC RRD40. I don't have anything but the drive and whatever is stuck in
the drive with the CD in it. In a 110V external enclosure.
DEC TK50-Z. In a 220V external enclosure (IEC power connection)
DEC RZ55. In a 220V external enclosure (same one as TK50-Z)
DEC DEBET. 110V/220V switchable ethernet 'bridge' I think.
PowerMac 6100/66
PowerMac 7100/66
PowerMac 7100/66 'chipped' to 80MHz
- i don't know the specs off the top of my head for these, will have to
look. mostly 250M-500M hard drive and 8M-24M of RAM
Quadra 660av
Quadra 610
Mac IIci
Mac SE
Sun SparcStation 1
- 40M RAM, 240M HDD, CG3 video
Sun Sparc IPC
- 40M RAM (IIRC, will check), NO HDD, builtin video
2xNCD 19r XTerm, upgraded memory. One with AUI/10B2, one with AUI/10BT.
2xIBM 3191 terminal (going on EBay if I cant find a buyer this time
around)
2xApple //e, one with 128K and DuoDisk, one with 64K and single Disk ][.
-- Pat
Well, I just acquired a 5' x 3' x 2' IBM AS400 drive cabinet. F--n
heavy!
Now, to mount equipment in it, I need to find some more of those
clip-on T-nut kinda things, which clip on around the hole in the rails, so
you then use the supplies screws to mount your equipment. Some older DEC
racks used the same thing.
And, as you can guess, the guys at the local Home Depot just gave
me funny looks.
Anybody know where I can get a dozen or two of these screw mount
sets? For a reasonable price? And what are they called?
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Mac OS X 10.1.2 - Darwin Kernel Version 5.2: Fri Dec 7 21:39:35 PST 2001
Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash
I just downloaded and built simh V2.9. I was able to boot the
RA90 disk image I created for Charon-VAX. No timeout, full
source, with Ethernet support coming. There's supposed to
be a couple of bugs, but I haven't found them yet.
--
Eric Dittman
dittman(a)dittman.net
Check out the DEC Enthusiasts Club at http://www.dittman.net/
I recently acquired an HP 13215A PS (power supply for a 7900A Disk
Drive) from the local university (they junked
an entire system and sold it for scrap piecewise). I can see that one
of the terminal strips is labled with the output voltages (I assume) but
other than that, I have no idea what this unit provides or requires. I
would like to use this PS to power a FC array I have, but I don't know how
to energize the PS, nor do I know the current ratings.
Thanks,
Nathan Gallaher
Yep, and old and well known program.
Allison
-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Erlacher <edick(a)idcomm.com>
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Date: Monday, April 15, 2002 8:06 PM
Subject: Re: TTL computing
>Well Palasm4 v1.5 is the last version of that, and I use it all the
time. It
>was still a freebie on the LATTICE website last time I looked.
>
>Dick
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "ajp166" <ajp166(a)bellatlantic.net>
>To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
>Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 1:39 PM
>Subject: Re: TTL computing
>
>
>> Entirely likely, I did get a lot of stuff from MMI over the years
>> and some of the other related companies. I still have and use
>> PALASM and PALASM90.
>>
>> Allison
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Richard Erlacher <edick(a)idcomm.com>
>> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
>> Date: Monday, April 15, 2002 3:10 PM
>> Subject: Re: TTL computing
>>
>>
>> >It may, in fact be about the same as my old version. I got mine from
>> MMI back
>> >when THEY were the ones pushing FPGA technology.
>> >
>> >Dick
>> >
>> >----- Original Message -----
>> >From: "ajp166" <ajp166(a)bellatlantic.net>
>> >To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
>> >Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 8:13 AM
>> >Subject: Re: TTL computing
>> >
>> >
>> >> Xact, and older, much older version. I'd get the version number
>> >> but the termcap file is OTL and I'm working on something else
>> >> right now. That and a few bits provided by Tim olmstead to help
>> >> with simulation. He was the one that got me into using them.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Allison
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: Richard Erlacher <edick(a)idcomm.com>
>> >> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
>> >> Date: Sunday, April 14, 2002 11:46 PM
>> >> Subject: Re: TTL computing
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >Do these tools have names, Allison? My old DOS-based tool for
FPGA
>> >> >development, from MMI, was called XACT, and that's what was
intended
>> for
>> >> the
>> >> >2000-series devices. A later version supported the 3000 series.
>> >> >
>> >> >Which tools do you use for developing both 2000 and 3000-series
>> >> bitstreams?
>> >> >
>> >> >Dick
>> >> >
>> >> >----- Original Message -----
>> >> >From: "ajp166" <ajp166(a)bellatlantic.net>
>> >> >To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
>> >> >Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2002 8:28 PM
>> >> >Subject: Re: TTL computing
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >> From: Richard Erlacher <edick(a)idcomm.com>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >Which tools are you referring to, Allison?
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> OLD tools, as in dos based.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >I've found that the tools I once used with the old (pre-1990)
>> 2064's,
>> >> >> don't
>> >> >> >work with the 3000-series, and, though I have some 3000-series
>> parts
>> >> >> (which,
>> >> >> >back when I bought them, cost about $200 each) I've not figured
>> out a
>> >> >> way to
>> >> >> >program them using the old XACT or the more recent "Foundation"
>> >> >> software.
>> >> >> >They clearly are no longer supported with current software.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Neither have I. I also have the Synario package too. They
phased
>> out
>> >> >> the tools for the 2064s a long time ago.
>> >> >>
>> >> >I have Synario for the Atmel devices. It's a Windows-based tool
>> based,
>> >> I
>> >> >think, on a tool set originally cooked up by Data I/O.
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>>
>>
>
> They are? I'm pretty sure I used a DEQNA cabinet kit with a
> DELQA on a MVII for years.
It would also help explain why I've got 2 DELQA's without cab kits, and an
extra DEQNA Cab Kit.
On a positive note, the VAXstation II/RC I stole the DEQNA from needs a
DELQA if I ever get it running and the PDP-11/23+ can make do with a DEQNA.
Zane
On April 15, Doc wrote:
> > > I should know this, but can't remember, are the Cab Kits for the DEQNA and
> > > DELQA interchangable?
> >
> > In one word, yes. Of course the little label on the panel won't change
> > to reflect the card change on the other side.
>
> Even though the pinouts are quite different?
I have used unmodified DEQNA cab kits on DELQAs with good
results...how do the pinouts differ?
-Dave
--
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St. Petersburg, FL - Mr. Bill
Chris,
I'm going to try BOCHS. I'll report what I find......
- Matt
At 04:36 PM 4/15/2002 -0500, you wrote:
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: pat(a)cart-server.purdueriots.com
>
> > > I was hoping to find a way to run trusty OS/2 on my laptop
> > when I wasn't
> > > busy with work......
>
> > They stopped trying to support it in the 2.x days. I got Warp 3 to
> > partially boot, but that's all IIRC. I'd say go find
> > yourself a copy of
> > partition magic (or fips) and dual-boot if you want to play
> > with OS/2. :)
>
>Will BOCHS run on that version of windows? You may have a chance with
>that too -- I've heard that it would boot OS/2, but that's second hand
>information.
>
>Chris
>
>
>Christopher Smith, Perl Developer
>Amdocs - Champaign, IL
>
>/usr/bin/perl -e '
>print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n");
>'
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: pat(a)cart-server.purdueriots.com
> > I was hoping to find a way to run trusty OS/2 on my laptop
> when I wasn't
> > busy with work......
> They stopped trying to support it in the 2.x days. I got Warp 3 to
> partially boot, but that's all IIRC. I'd say go find
> yourself a copy of
> partition magic (or fips) and dual-boot if you want to play
> with OS/2. :)
Will BOCHS run on that version of windows? You may have a chance with
that too -- I've heard that it would boot OS/2, but that's second hand
information.
Chris
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From: Ben Franchuk <bfranchuk(a)jetnet.ab.ca>
>> If you buy a moderately cheap CPLD, e.g. the XILINX 95108, in a
PLCC84, it
>> costs about $20-30 U.S. at DigiKey. Combine that with a socket, ($4
tops) and
>> a few wirewrap socket pins, ($.10 each) that's another $8.40. Now
find a
>> cheap wirewrap board to which you can solder ... and then use the free
>> software and build the ~$5 ISP adapter.
>Has anybody done that?
I've done this with other similar packaged devices and it flies.
>I have a nice FPGA prototype kit, (altera) but I am having problems
>getting A PROM for it. I may go to using smaller chips like the XC-9572
>(72 macro cells) ? $12 canadian. They don't make wire wrap PLCC sockets
What prom are you looking for?
I'm still playing with some 2064s and 3030s and 3050s, yes they are old
but
the tools were free, the parts cheap and easy to load up with a 2816/64.
Allison
On April 15, Cameron Kaiser wrote:
> > Mmmm, Windows user. Crunchy and good with ketchup.
>
> .sig dibs!
Heh, go for it!
-Dave
--
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St. Petersburg, FL - Mr. Bill
On April 15, Cameron Kaiser wrote:
> > > > I'd say the biggest problem will be filling all the orders. I'd probably
> > > > be looking for a contract manufacturer in her place.
>
> > > Give her time ... Cloning is not quite up to speed yet.
>
> > Hmm, can I place an advance order?
>
> I do hope you're referring to the *computer*.
;)
-Dave
--
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St. Petersburg, FL - Mr. Bill
>> I was wondering if any of you know of a good power supply rebuilders in
>> the UK?
>
>Never needed one ;-)
I hear the sound of a volunteer :-)
>> order a new industrial PSU to supply these voltages/currents (plus
>
>Well, I'd rather keep the machine as original as possible (if only to
>make repairs easier in the future), not to mention the cost of a custom PSU
This machine used to at least power up without
exploding at least two owner's ago. It seems to
be the same machine reported as having a 2.5V
REGFAIL about four years ago ... so it's not
been powered off for a *really* log time.
OTOH, the PSU blocks do need to be plugged
back in correctly otherwise something
*will* go phut very loudly.
I'll go read the printset as soon as I dig it
out, it may have details of what goes where.
>NO!. SMPSUs do not like being run in parallel (unless designed to be used
>like that). One PSU will end up attempting to supply all the current and
>the other PSUs may not like having voltages applied to their outputs.
And once the first one drops dead, the next
most "powerful" one repeats the process.
Proof by "induction" left as an exercise :-)
Antonio
Guys,
Anyone have any luck running OS/2 under an emulator on Windows 2000?
Just wondering. I tried installing OS/2 Warp 3 on my copy of VMWare 3, and
it (VMWare) got mad and won't allow it to install. The web site says VMWare
will not (and has no intention of) support OS/2.
I was hoping to find a way to run trusty OS/2 on my laptop when I wasn't
busy with work......
Thanks!
- Matt
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) [mailto:cisin@xenosoft.com]
> Before we get into arguing about "better" configurations, ..
> Does anybody know what the f he's asking about?
> Is his machine broken?
> Is it working perfectly, but he doesn't know how to "access" it?
I assumed he was asking for free system software to use with it
since he for some reason couldn't get the original installation of
windows to work. Hence my original answer, but you're right, it's
incredibly ambiguous. :)
> Is it the machine that he's writing with?
> Perhaps fixing the shift key on his active machine should be a higher
> priority.
Indeed. I suppose it could be worse -- his message could have read:
PLZ SEND ALL CODES!!!!
Chris
Christopher Smith, Perl Developer
Amdocs - Champaign, IL
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One assumes all the producs of corrosion are salts .
Some however will be oxides and van be very conductive.
I've also seen new boards contaiminated with fungal materal
{assembled and washed in old mehieco} that had all manner
of seemingly intermittent problems until rewashed in clean
water and dried.
Allison
-----Original Message-----
From: Sridhar the POWERful <vance(a)ikickass.org>
To: Doc Shipley <doc(a)mdrconsult.com>
Cc: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Date: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 12:38 AM
Subject: Re: cure equiepement that was in the rain... best practices???
>On Mon, 15 Apr 2002, Doc Shipley wrote:
>
>> > The salts that are the endproduct of corrosion usually aren't
conductors,
>> > but that wouldn't prevent them from interfering with the operation of
the
>> > board.
>>
>> Well, something's interfering. I get a persistent B_CACHE failure on
>> startup.
>
>It might be something like corrosion int the middle of a contact, if you
>have any socketed chips. Or omsething like that.
>
>Peace... Sridhar
>
> Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 19:32:05 -0700
> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
> From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh(a)aracnet.com>
> Subject: DELQA/DEQNA Cab Kits question
> Sender: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
> Reply-To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
>
> I should know this, but can't remember, are the Cab Kits for the DEQNA and
> DELQA interchangable?
In one word, yes. Of course the little label on the panel won't change
to reflect the card change on the other side.
carl
--
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: pat(a)cart-server.purdueriots.com
> Amazingly enough, you can do this with the *nix mkisofs program by
> specifying the files to burn on its command line. The order that you
> type them is the order that they get put into the ISO image IIRC.
> Amazing how easy stuff becomes when you drop Windoze :)
I _suppose_ you could port mkisofs to NT if you like... ;)
Honestly, I wouldn't trust even the most stable version of windows
(that would be NT 3.51...) to burn CDs for me.
Chris
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RE: 2114s
Over the years i'd seen A higher than normal {2102 as comparison}
failure rate. So I had the opportunity to do some checking on why.
NOTE: the 2114 never had as good a failure rate as say 2102 or
other 1k designs and the next generation of 16k static parts were
substantially different with better failure rates.
2114s common failures:
Delayed stress damage due to ESD. Common failures are address
inputs.
Missing bit, usually a failed output due to either ESD or excessive
IO loading.
bond failures (works when hot or cold) most of those are plastic cases
and likely due to cleaners causing internal plastics to expand and lift
a bond {usually during board production}. Other likely causes, heat!
Ceramic devices seems and generally were more reliable.
The CMOS versions 6114 (nec D444) were more relaible, though ESD
induced stress failures were a major factor.
In the early 80s it was not uncommon to visit a site and NOT see proper
ESD protocal used when handeling MOS or CMOS devices. In most
cases getting the production people using would often see a substantial
drop in early failures{infant mortality}.
Allison
-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Duell <ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk>
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Date: Monday, April 15, 2002 10:24 PM
Subject: Re: TTL computing
>>
>> That doesn't seem to me as a failure of the 2114, but, more likely, a
failure
>> in the update logic in the refresh memory circuit, possibly in a buffer
enable
>
>I was about to point out that the 2114 is an SRAM and doesn't need
>refeshing, but then I realised you were talking about the video refresh
>circuitry.
>
>> or a shortage of hold timing on the data with respect to the write line.
>> What, exactly, do you mean by "dud" character? If it appears exactly in
the
>> middle of a 2Kx8 memory array, it could, indeed be a stuck bit, and if it
runs
>> from the middle to the top/bottom that would be a candidate for a failed
>> memory bit also. If, however, it moves horizontally, or moves outside
the
>> range residing in a single device, it's clearly something else. Have you
>> tried moving the device around in the video memory array? It seems to me
that
>
>Last time I had a problem with a 2114 in a video RAM array, it appeared
>that the RAM had lost an address input. Writing a character to a location
>in RAM would affect the top 4 bits (IIRC) of a character 2 locations
>away (or something like that). It was clearly the RAM because swapping it
>over with the one next to it caused the fault to move to the bottom 4
>bits. And a new RAM cured the problem.
>
>> there have to be at least two of them, and the "dud" character, whatever
that
>> is, should follow the device.
>>
>> 2114's are just about as plentiful as any device of the era could be.
You
>> should not have a problem replacing it. I don't know what the problems
of
>> sending hardware from the U.S. to the U.K. are, but I'm willing to send
you a
>
>Very few AFAIK. I don't think I've ever had a parcel declared as
>'obsolete computer parts' even inspected by customs. Of course this might
>have changed now with the increased risk of terrorism (although we've had
>terrorist activity for years over here :-().
>
>One tip I was once told. Pack chips in transparent anti-static bags (and
>put an anti-static warning label on them. Customs officers are not
>totally clueless and won't open such a bag if they can clearly see what's
>inside (and provided the contents are what they're supposed to be, like
>'computer parts' (chips)). But if you pack the chips in an opaque bag,
>they might open it (to ensure it doesn't contain drugs, say), and might
>not know how to handle the chips without damaging them.
>
>-tony
Would this improve the ~1 hour time it takes for me to see the
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