- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by Lee.Davison＠merlincommunications.com

.. (and, as lab supplies, they don't get confused by being fed backwards, so I don't need the diodes)... Lab supplies have the diodes built in on both the + and - legs. running only one in "voltage source" mode, the other(s) in "current source" mode effectively. This is how any group of paralell power supplies works. So, I think if you use PSUs that have a current limiting circuit that is not only for short-circuit protection, but engages smoothly as current approaches the continuous rating of the PSU, You don't need this, in fact it can cause problems with groups of supplies hunting between Ilimit and Vlimit as load is transfered between them. you should be able to connect them in parallel with said diodes. Of course, these PSUs will not be the cheapest devices... As long as you match all the supplies to closer than the vf drop of the diodes nearly any supplies can be connected this way. However, this setup may get difficult if loading varies widely. Usually it isn't a problem as long as there is no minimum load requirement for the individual supplies. Another problem might be shutting down the entire system if one or more of the supplies fail: Use enough supplies so that one faliure is tollerable. you can then hot swap the dud supply. you wouldn't want the remaining ones to supply as much current as they can, keeping the voltage only half-way up and running your circuitry in brown-out mode. If the outputs are overcurrent protected then a faliure of too many supplies should shut down the whole thing. Trouble is it often doesn't work that way. Lee. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- This email is intended only for the above named addressee(s). The information contained in this email may contain information which is confidential. The views expressed in this email are personal to the sender and do not in any way reflect the views of the company. If you have received this email and you are not a named addressee please delete it from your system and contact Merlin Communications International IT Department on +44 20 7344 5888. ________________________________________________________________________ This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star Internet. The service is powered by MessageLabs. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit: http://www.star.net.uk ________________________________________________________________________

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The Apple I on zdnn...

by bpope＠wordstock.com

News about the Apple I auction has appeared on zdnn @ http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1106-884678.html But they don't give a link to the auction site and they don't even mention Sellams' name! But at least it's getting *some* publicity... :) Cheers, Bryan

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UPS was Re: Need Burroughs Tape Spec's

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On April 16, John R. Keys Jr. wrote: > UPS delivered my Burroughs tape unit model BU4180 yesterday but it was > destroyed. They must have dropped it from a high place as this thing > weighs in at almost 80 pounds. Things inside are pretty bad but I would > like to try and get it looking nice again, since the boards inside are > damaged I do not think I can get it to work again. Does anyone on the > list have repair manual for this model? I would like to see how he belts > go around the pulleys inside the case. Thanks I'm wondering how UPS manages to stay in business anymore. I've shipped about four things via UPS in the past year, and EVERY ONE OF THEM arrived damaged to some extent. WTF?? -Dave -- Dave McGuire "Mmmm. Big." St. Petersburg, FL -Den

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UPS was Re: Need Burroughs Tape Spec's

by Huw.Davies＠kerberos.davies.net.au

At 12:31 PM 16/04/2002 -0400, r. 'bear' stricklin wrote: >Here's a data point for you. And another (Australian one). Years ago when RZ28s were new disk drives and StorageWorks was a new concept I was Senior Systems Programmer looking after a VMS cluster (this story is sufficiently old it might even be on topic :-). In those days RZ28s in SBB were about AUD$3K and we'd ordered 20. My office overlooked the loading bay and I watched in horror as the delivery driver DROPPED the disks off the back of the truck onto the ground (say 4 feet). He couldn't understand why I wasn't going to sign for the delivery - I told him to take them back. Digital changed their preferred courier shortly thereafter..... Huw Davies | e-mail: Huw.Davies(a)kerberos.davies.net.au | "If God had wanted soccer played in the | air, the sky would be painted green"

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TTL computing

by tim＠snowgoons.fsnet.co.uk

>From: "Richard Erlacher" <edick(a)idcomm.com> >Date: Mon Apr 15, 2002 03:45:30 am Europe/London > >> Actually, I can see one way that there could be a benefit from >> using TTL.... >> >> The current advances in processor speed have come largely from just >> increasing the clock rate. There haven't been any major changes in CPU >> design to use those clock cylces more efficiently.... > >That's only a small part of the acceleration. The use of multiple piplelines >accounts for much of the performance increase along with increased >datapath width, and other little features. The gradual increase in interest in >parallelism is also going to help quite a bit, so we'll be seeing even more >pipelines in the future. > >> But somebody stuck with old, slow, TTL, just might hit on some way to get >> more performance out of it (because it's all they've got, and they need >> the performnce). The trick they discover just might also be useful to >> speed up ASICs (or FPGAs, or ...) >> >And just exactly HOW would they extract more performance from it? A new >architecture would require new software, both in development tools >and in OS and as applications. Just verifying that their innovation would >take several hundred lifetimes, and the generation of a full set of software >would take that one individual working alone, until well after the next big-bang. I've been keeping out of this conversation so far 'cos I'm not qualified to comment on much of it <grin>, but this statement strikes me as just being Plain Wrong. Your own example of pipelines is a perfectly good example of something which could easily have been invented by someone in their back room building a processor out of TTL. OK, the resultant processor would not be commercially viable, but it would serve perfectly well to demonstrate the theoretical concept and a practical embodiment of it. Enough for the patent application you'd file before taking it to Intel to commercialise, for example! The argument that anyone interested in new architectures is wasting their time ('mentally masturbating' as you so delicately put it,) is entirely specious IMHO. The first stage is always proof of concept, commercialisation is an entirely different game. I doubt the researchers on quantum computers are going to give up and go home because the first devices they produce are the size of a room, require liquid nitrogen to run and - heaven forfend - don't run Windows 2000 or Microsoft Office. If a new architecture offers significant enough benefits, the software support and everything else necessary to capitalise on it will follow. Cheers, Tim. -- Tim Walls at home in Croydon - Reply to tim(a)snowgoons.fsnet.co.uk

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OT Letting it go (was Re: The CommodoreOne is near!)

by acme_ent＠bellsouth.net

> From: Christopher Smith <csmith(a)amdocs.com> > > From: John Chris Wren [mailto:jcwren@jcwren.com] > > > But then, one thing I have noticed about the list, > > besides being an > > excellent wealth of information and intelligent people, is > > that some don't > > know when to let something end. > > You can count me in that category. I wonder whether it's typical > of the kind of person you'd find on this list? > > As a general observation, technical types tend to push things > further than most people appreciate in several cases. > > Chris That's because we want to be *right.* It took me a long time to learn that I'd rather be happy than right. Glen 0/0

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Calcomp Ethernet Adapter M971L - Volunteer repair/Anybody got one spare?

by Arno_1983＠gmx.de

So this is going into the third - and, hopefully, last - turn. We had concluded that there is something wrong with the Ethernet adapter on our Calcomp CCL 600 ES laser printer. Now it's even worse - the printer locks up when the interface is installed and does no longer react to its front-panel buttons (On/Offline etc.) On the NIC, the lights for IP and DATA stay lit as long as the printer is on. We don't have the time and the knowledge here to start trying to repair that board, so we hope that somebody out there on the list might throw one in (pref. for shipping costs or little money, but place your prices), or does anybody feel like trying to repair it? Shipping would be from/to Nuremberg, Germany; or, if exchange at the VCF Europe in Munich is possible, I'll show up there and handle things. I'm on digest mode and have no Inet on the weekend, so my answers will be delayed a bit. Thanx in advance Arno Kletzander Arno_1983(a)gmx.de -- GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.gmx.net

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Looking for info on an HP-IB cable

by fmc＠reanimators.org

Dan Veeneman <dan(a)ekoan.com> wrote: > I recently picked up an HP-IB cable, made by HP, with a > part number of 12009-60015. One end is an HP-IB connector > and the other end is a 15-pin card edge. > > Any ideas what device this cable connects to on the card edge end? A 12009A card, which is an HP-IB interface for L/XL/A-series HP 1000 computers. -Frank McConnell

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A2065 Ethernet

by ghldbrd＠ccp.com

I picked up a PCI ethernet card today that is both 10 Base T and 10 Base 2 outputs. Now I will have a crash (bad term) course in networking, especially across different platforms. I'm wondering if this card is capable of using both outputs at once; i.e. base 2 to my Amiga Etherrnet and base T to a cable modem or hub. If it is an exclusive OR situation, I guess I'll have to get another NIC for another input/output. If all else fails, then I put Linux in the Amiga . . . . . Gary Hildebrand St. Joseph, MO

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Download CD images for RSX-11 and RT-11 Freeware CDs from Tim Shoppa

by jhfinepw4z＠compsys.to

>"William R. Buckley" wrote: > Over the past year, I have sent several messages to Tim Shoppa > requesting a set of CD ROMs containing the offerings of his at > the web site, metalab.unc.edu, yet to date I have not received > the requested material. I have also sent email to Tom directly > but, he has not answered. Is there some extenuating circumstance > of which others on this list are more familiar than I? > William R. Buckley, Director Emeritus > International Core Wars Society Jerome Fine replies: It took a week of trying, but I have finally downloaded all three CD images for RSX-11 and RT-11 from: ftp://ftp.trailing-edge.com/pub/cd-images/ Note also that the file MD5SUMS seems to contain checksum values, but I don't know how to use these values or produce them myself to check if my files are correct. Can anyone help? The best time seems to be at night. Please realize that these are 650 MByte files and will take many hours in most cases, let alone a whole day (or three) if you do not have a high speed connection like DSL. Sincerely yours, Jerome Fine -- If you attempted to send a reply and the original e-mail address has been discontinued due a high volume of junk e-mail, then the semi-permanent e-mail address can be obtained by replacing the four characters preceding the 'at' with the four digits of the current year.

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The CommodoreOne is near!

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: James B. DiGriz [mailto:jbdigriz@dragonsweb.org] > > Um, I think this is getting pretty bad. [...] > Chris, no offense, but get a grip. I'm kicking myself for > leaving room > for any unintentional humor in my comment, but maybe people > are reading > things into this thread that just aren't necessarily there? Perhaps -- I think you're reading more into my comment than was necessarily there. :) (Given that you stripped the entire qualifying couple of paragraphs out...) I have no problem with your comment, myself, or others' comments for the most part. I was only implying that I think we should try not to offend most people too much. Of course it won't always work, but such is life. In other words, Dave and Sridhar can say whatever they like one to the other, all in jest, and it can be understood as such. No problem. It's not so good when the target of the jest, or even a third party -- JCW in this case -- can misunderstand that jest to be disrespect. Anyway, I, for one, wouldn't want somebody making inflatable likenesses of myself... ;) > That's a big > problem with humor, why it is unprofessional and should be avoided in > the workplace, and why I should have proofed myself better. I think that's a bit too general. Certainly there's nothing you could possibly say that wouldn't offend _somebody_. > How about we just drop this whole subject? Hmm -- Ok. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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ALU IC information?

by BFeely＠aol.com

I am trying desperately to find a datasheet for the obsolete semiconductor 74F582. All I know is that it is a 4-bit ALU. I would appreciate it if someone could possibly e-mail me a copy. It would even be good if it was another 7400 logic type, as all the families have the same functions.

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cure equiepement that was in the rain... best practices???

by dquebbeman＠acm.org

> On Mon, 15 Apr 2002, Dave McGuire wrote: > > > TLC it performs flawlessly). The water doesn't seem to do any harm at > > all, even with long-term exposure...it's the crap that the water can > > carry into the equipment, and sometimes corrosion later on. > > So what can you do with accumulated mineal salts around component > legs? Looks like tin "rust". I tried firm-but-gentle with a stiff > toothbrush, and didn't get anywhere. > > I have that MV3100-90 board that I think just needs the corrosion, > which I suspect is conductive, removed. Using a small area of the board where you could correct any damage that this substance might cause, try a little CLR... it's a mixture sold throughout the midwest (U.S.) that dissolves Calcium, Lime, and Rust deposits. Phosphoric acid is one of its components... so be real careful. I've never used it on PC boards before, but it can't be beaten for removing corrosion off metal parts. Regards, -dq -Douglas Hurst Quebbeman (DougQ at ixnayamspayIgLou.com) [Call me "Doug"] Surgically excise the pig-latin from my e-mail address in order to reply "The large print giveth, and the small print taketh away." -Tom Waits

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OS/2 running under VMWare, or other emulator for Windoze

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Sridhar the POWERful [mailto:vance@ikickass.org] > Bochs is not a good idea on that machine. Bochs is meant to run on > non-PC's and it's a complete PC emulator. What he wants is > Plex86, which > is the system virtualization stuff from Bochs, with none of the PC > emulation stuff. He already has all that. Last I heard, Plex86 was still in the "concept only" stage. Is that information outdated, then? Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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Explain the NeXTStation "dim monitor" problem, etc...

by dquebbeman＠acm.org

> First off -- can somebody explain the common problem with the > monitors going dim? Can I fix it? (How?) Is there an internal > "intensity" pot that I can adjust to get more life out of the > monitor? It is just bright enough not to strain your eyes at > the highest brightness setting right now... (It's B&W) I have always assumed that the electrons just kick the sh*t out of the phosphor, and the the phosphor just dies... but I hope that's wrong, and that something can indeed be adjusted or replaced (other than the daggone tube itself). -Douglas Hurst Quebbeman (DougQ at ixnayamspayIgLou.com) [Call me "Doug"] Surgically excise the pig-latin from my e-mail address in order to reply "The large print giveth, and the small print taketh away." -Tom Waits

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OT email response format (was Re: TTL computing)

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Dave McGuire [mailto:mcguire@neurotica.com] > So, why don't you use a real mail client...? ... because restrictions here are such that they don't mind me using their pipe for personal things in a limited manner, but they really hate for people to put any software on their system (typical windows-using mindset, but let's not get into that :), and I'm really trying to play by their rules. They have no real mail client, in fact their installations of lookout(!) are even more broken than usual. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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Download CD images for RSX-11 and RT-11 Freeware CDs from TimShoppa

by dquebbeman＠acm.org

Jerome writes: > There is a hobby version of Ersatz-11 which can be downloaded > for free: http://www.dbit.com/pub/ > You will want to download at least /e11/ and /putr/ followed by > those portions that you want to initially focus on. ... > The commercial version does cost $ US 2999 for DOS/W95/W98/NT. Well, considering what John's done for the emulator movement I can't call that predatory pricing. If the market is there, then so be it... BTW, I realize we have many consultants on this list who can justify that cost as a business expense. I also realize people of various means are on this list. I do confess to wishing I had more "leverage"; I hope that doesn't get taken as class jealousy. > In particular, I am allowed to use a raw SCSI hard disk drive by: > MOUNT DU0: SCSI5: > where "5" is the SCSI ID of the SCSI hard drive. This allows me to > use the same SCSI hard disk drive with both Ersatz-11 and on > a real PDP-11 system. Ken Harrenstein's KLH-10 has this ability, although I haven't used it yet. It sure would be nice if someone would do a commercial HP2000/2100 emulator and be able to cripple it slightly for those hobbyists who'd like to run one. Yes, Bob, I read your message, but I had something else in mind... ;) -Douglas Hurst Quebbeman (DougQ at ixnayamspayIgLou.com) [Call me "Doug"] Surgically excise the pig-latin from my e-mail address in order to reply "The large print giveth, and the small print taketh away." -Tom Waits

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Explain the NeXTStation "dim monitor" problem, etc...

by csmith＠amdocs.com

Ok, I've got my NeXTStation working, but I'm in need of some advice. First off -- can somebody explain the common problem with the monitors going dim? Can I fix it? (How?) Is there an internal "intensity" pot that I can adjust to get more life out of the monitor? It is just bright enough not to strain your eyes at the highest brightness setting right now... (It's B&W) Next, can anyone tell me why, after booting into single user mode, and changing the root password with 'nu -m' I might still be refused a login next time I boot? I was able to get in once yesterday, after which I tried this morning and was refused. I booted to single user mode again -- looked at the current password hash, changed the password again (the hash turned out different, but I'm not sure that means much really, and could just be different "salt"), booted again normally, and still couldn't get in. So... is there a possibility that either: A) It's getting another password from somewhere and overwriting the one I put in? (I hope not.. :) or... B) Something's not starting right during boot right now, and it needs this to log people into the system? (More likely, I think...) It does still want to connect to the network, and complains about not being able to talk to several machines when it boots. I'm not sure whether this would make a difference, or how I would convince it not to do this. :) Any suggestions? Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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OT email response format (was Re: TTL computing)

by acme_ent＠bellsouth.net

> From: John Foust <jfoust(a)threedee.com> > Unfortunately, I don't think Winston said anything > about the inability to format e-mail responses > in conventional style, so we're stuck. "see below, plz." > now induces an immediate "CTRL/D" from my left hand. Okay, so what is the *preferred* method of replying to classiccmp posts? Reply at top? Replay at bottom? Or, embedded comments interspersed throughout the replied-to post? I prefer the latter, more conversational style . . . Glen 0/0

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Looking for info on an HP-IB cable

by dan＠ekoan.com

Hi, I recently picked up an HP-IB cable, made by HP, with a part number of 12009-60015. One end is an HP-IB connector and the other end is a 15-pin card edge. Any ideas what device this cable connects to on the card edge end? Google isn't very informative with this one. Cheers, Dan www.decodesystems.com/wanted.html

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Explain the NeXTStation "dim monitor" problem, etc...

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On April 16, jpero(a)sympatico.ca wrote: > I know phosphors becomes fried slowly from long use but I'm referring > to cathode emissions: > > I wondered whom is right? > > cathode oxide or > heater coating? > > I think this is heater coating. Wouldn't this be an issue of indirectly heated vs. directly heated, i.e. having a cathode with an electrically isolated filament inside vs. just a filament acting as the source of electrons? Some filament-only tubes do have a coating, much the same as the cathode coating I believe. Though I've never seen a CRT with no cathode. -Dave -- Dave McGuire "Mmmm. Big." St. Petersburg, FL -Den

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Need Burroughs Tape Spec's

by dquebbeman＠acm.org

> UPS delivered my Burroughs tape unit model BU4180 yesterday > but it was destroyed. They must have dropped it from a high > place as this thing weighs in at almost 80 pounds. Things > inside are pretty bad but I would like to try and get it > looking nice again, since the boards inside are damaged I > do not think I can get it to work again. Does anyone on the > list have repair manual for this model? I would like to see > how he belts go around the pulleys inside the case. Thanks You are admirably mellow. In lieu of tasting the blood of the a**hole who did this, I'd want everyone who handled that package fired from UPS, Hell, everyone who *might* have handled it, except for the one I'd have the rapport with, the delivery guy. Don't tell me this was a 7-track drive, or I'll weep profusely... -dq -Douglas Hurst Quebbeman (DougQ at ixnayamspayIgLou.com) [Call me "Doug"] Surgically excise the pig-latin from my e-mail address in order to reply "The large print giveth, and the small print taketh away." -Tom Waits

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Champaign trip (aka DEC Galore)

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Mzthompson(a)aol.com [mailto:Mzthompson@aol.com] > No doubt, Chris spent yesterday evening going through the > carload of stuff > I took over to him. I'll let him tell about that. Don't let him get Actually, I spent yesterday evening cleaning plaster dust out of my room, since the ceiling decided it was a good time to come loose in one spot, and fall down on my keyboard, minidisc player, apple newton, etc, etc... I did boot the NeXTStation (which now has a monitor cable and mouse, thanks to Mike), and get the XTerm talking to one of my other systems. (... Now if I can just figure out how to service XDMCP requests with GDM) > away with calling it his 'latest haul', because he didn't, it was > 'home delivery'. :) Indeed... > The big sour note, I recognized some single drive expansion > boxes. However, > the DEC badge had been replaced with a Compaq. Compaq > actually went to > the trouble of having the plastic badge inserts remade in their image. > Fortunately, I had not yet had lunch. Heh. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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VCF Apple-1 Auction 4/19-4/21

by vcf＠siconic.com

The VCF is auctioning off another Apple-1 computer. Complete information on the auction can be found here: http://www.vintage.org/special/apple-1/ The auction will take place from April 19 through April 21. See URL above for complete information. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *

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TTL computing (link to) Re: Fuse PROM

by mtapley＠swri.edu

Fred wrote (about a demo PROM with visible links): >How about using circuit breakers? >Then you would have a manually erasable PROM, without further expenditure >each time that you program it. Then Richard wrote (about the distinction between hard-, firm-, and soft-ware): >It happens that some folks differentiate >between hardware and firmware based on whether you can touch it or not. You >can't touch firmware, at least not in a practical sense, just as you can't >touch software. Hmmm. If the circuit breakers are the type that pop out a button when they break, I *could* touch software, after it was programmed into the circuit-breaker PROM. Actually, if things were set up *just* right, I could arrange to be hit over the head by software (as it was being written to PROM). Do we need a new name for this device? FEPROM (officially Finger Erasable Programmable etc., but we all know it's really Fred's Erasable etc.)? - Mark

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FWD: Re: Goodbye VAX hello ALpha

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

Mmmm, Windows user. Crunchy and good with ketchup. -Dave On April 15, David Woyciesjes wrote: > Has anyone seen this news posting? > > -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: Goodbye VAX hello ALpha Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 22:55:13 -0400 From: Bill Gunshannon Organization: University of Scranton Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec References: <3Hmt8.2238$GS6.168438(a)bin3.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com> On Thu, 11 Apr 2002, Deane Williams <dwilliams296(a)comcast.net> wrote: > Hello > Just wondering is there a reseller/company that will take > VAXes in trade for Alphas?? I'm talking about 3100s and > even some 4000/XXX and 36/38XX series VAX. And after they get done rolling onthe floor laughing you could put them on a truck and send them up here. I can at least promise they won't be taking up space in a landfill. bill -- > > --- David A Woyciesjes > --- C & IS Support Specialist > --- Yale University Press > --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu > --- (203) 432-0953 > --- ICQ # - 905818 > Mac OS X 10.1.2 - Darwin Kernel Version 5.2: Fri Dec 7 21:39:35 PST 2001 > Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash > -- Dave McGuire "Hush and eat your vegetables, young lady!" St. Petersburg, FL - Mr. Bill

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UPS was Re: Need Burroughs Tape Spec's

by nemesis-lists＠icequake.net

> If FedEx dropped their price a little I think more people > would use them vice UPS. Thankfully the SGI Indigo2 and 19" monitor> I was waiting on arrived today by UPS and appears to have come > through the ordeal at least physically intact. Don't count on FedEx either. My Indigo2 and monitor each came in large and small pieces. :/ FedEx Ground in St Louis. -- Ryan Underwood, <nemesis at icequake.net>, icq=10317253

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ForSale: WangTek tape drive...

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

Wangtek tape drive - Model No. 5150EQ - Assy No. 30551-20B Rev.G Wangtek ISA controller card & ribbon cable - Assy. No. 30475 Rev. C1 10 tapes (5 still in plastic!) - Global G6150 (DC6150 compatible) - I'll answer any queries about the chips on the adapter... - I haven't had a chance to hook it up and try it yet. - Best bid received in 48 hours (5:00pm Thursday, Eastern Time) takes it all. - Considering the weight of the tapes, shipping (from New Haven, CT) will likely cost around $10. - I can easily ship via UPS Ground (my personal preference), or I can do USPS... - I prefer PayPal, but I'll accept Money Order, or cash if you pick it up in person. *** More goodies to come as I clean out & organize the computer room in my house! (Won't my wife be so proud of me! :) - Would it be better to put up a little web page listing the other items I'll be selling, instead of a message like this? Or is this (the 'ForSale:' subject line) okay? -- --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 Mac OS X 10.1.2 - Darwin Kernel Version 5.2: Fri Dec 7 21:39:35 PST 2001 Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash

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Download CD images for RSX-11 and RT-11 Freeware CDs from TimShoppa

by dquebbeman＠acm.org

> Jerome Fine replies: > > Add one more "m" to your "Hmm" and it will be the same response > that Hasimir Fenring manages to use in the Dune series. > > Seriously, I don't want to have to maintain my own internet system > since I am much more interested in RT-11. Also, since Ersatz-11 > runs under DOS/W95/W98, the W98 (Yeck) environment has become > a default last resort. Are/were you an Ersatz-11 beta tester, or are you rich? I thought it cost US$3K. -dq -Douglas Hurst Quebbeman (DougQ at ixnayamspayIgLou.com) [Call me "Doug"] Surgically excise the pig-latin from my e-mail address in order to reply "The large print giveth, and the small print taketh away." -Tom Waits

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UPS was Re: Need Burroughs Tape Spec's

by dquebbeman＠acm.org

> > > From: Dave McGuire > > > > On April 16, John R. Keys Jr. wrote: > > > UPS delivered my Burroughs tape unit model BU4180 yesterday but it was > > > destroyed. They must have dropped it from a high place as this thing > > > weighs in at almost 80 pounds.. > > > > I'm wondering how UPS manages to stay in business anymore. I've > > shipped about four things via UPS in the past year, and EVERY ONE OF > > THEM arrived damaged to some extent. WTF?? > > Meanwhile, I personally have never had a problem with UPS, and with > the volume of packages coming & going in this building, I've never seen > anything bad either. Maybe just a moron for a driver? He didn't mention whether it was residential or commercial delivery; with commercial/business dleivery, you usually end up establishing a relationship with the delivery person; as a result, I think those guys are more carefully because they're going to have to look you in the eye. OTOH, residential delivery drivers just dump the package and run... so in that case, I might suspect a delivery person. But I've seen videotapes of UPS employees offloading planes, and with one guy "going long" you can tell how respectful they are with stuff. And they were being quite jolly about it, too... -dq -Douglas Hurst Quebbeman (DougQ at ixnayamspayIgLou.com) [Call me "Doug"] Surgically excise the pig-latin from my e-mail address in order to reply "The large print giveth, and the small print taketh away." -Tom Waits

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by dquebbeman＠acm.org

> I think I mentioned it before relative to UPS but I once shipped a 19" monitor > from here (California) to Virginia IICRC. The monitor made it fine to the guys > driveway (He was watching as the UPS driver pulled up) > > It was being kicked off the back of the UPS truck onto the asphalt driveway > that destroyed the monitor. Pretty hard to pack anything (thats big or heavy) > to withstand that... Yup, I'd be in prison now for beating the UPS driver within an inch of his life.... -dq -Douglas Hurst Quebbeman (DougQ at ixnayamspayIgLou.com) [Call me "Doug"] Surgically excise the pig-latin from my e-mail address in order to reply "The large print giveth, and the small print taketh away." -Tom Waits

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Explain the NeXTStation "dim monitor" problem, etc...

by dquebbeman＠acm.org

> > > First off -- can somebody explain the common problem with the > >> monitors going dim? Can I fix it? (How?) Is there an internal > >> "intensity" pot that I can adjust to get more life out of the > >> monitor? It is just bright enough not to strain your eyes at > >> the highest brightness setting right now... (It's B&W) > > > >I have always assumed that the electrons just kick the sh*t > >out of the phosphor, and the the phosphor just dies... but I > >hope that's wrong, and that something can indeed be adjusted > >or replaced (other than the daggone tube itself). > > The above basically sums it up. Those early B/W NeXT mono > monitors have very short lifespans. Couple that with not being able > to turn off the monitor seperately from the computer and you > can then see why most of them are pretty dim. This comes up on > Usenet quite a bit still. Once they're dim, they're dim. Don't got no Next stuff, but I figured whatever was true of them would be true of my Apollo (&HP) monitors... -dq -Douglas Hurst Quebbeman (DougQ at ixnayamspayIgLou.com) [Call me "Doug"] Surgically excise the pig-latin from my e-mail address in order to reply "The large print giveth, and the small print taketh away." -Tom Waits

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Huge Nortel Web Auction this week.

by lgwalker＠mts.net

Just ran across this in the Montreal Gazette. Nortel Networks Corp. has put up for auction untold millions of dollars worth of computers, test equipment, office phone systems, photocopiers and tool kits it once used in St. Laurent and Florida to build Internet equipment for which demand has evaporated. The auction will be Webcast - on http://www.dovebid.com - Thursday and Friday, starting at 9 a.m. A Montreal-area preview day tomorrow will allow potential buyers to physically examine the local assets, not just massive quantities of high-end electronic gear but also fork-lift trucks, heaters, air-compressors and more than 230 Dell laptop computers, PCs and servers. Nortel is conducting a similar preview day at another plant in Boca Raton, Fla. The St. Laurent plant builds Internet transmission equipment and had 6,000 people on its payroll in mid-2000, a figure Quigley estimated has been cut in half. Its gates, on the south side of the Trans-Canada Highway, will be open between 9 a.m. and 4 p.m. "Please watch for auction signs," DoveBid's Web site instructs out-of-town buyers coming to see for themselves. Lawrence lgwalker(a)mts.net bigwalk_ca(a)yahoo.com

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OS/2 running under VMWare, or other emulator for Windoze

by msell＠ontimesupport.com

BOCHS won't even start on my Win2K laptop. Blows immediately with illegal opcodes. Oh well.... moving on...... - Matt At 04:36 PM 4/15/2002 -0500, you wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > > From: pat(a)cart-server.purdueriots.com > > > > I was hoping to find a way to run trusty OS/2 on my laptop > > when I wasn't > > > busy with work...... > > > They stopped trying to support it in the 2.x days. I got Warp 3 to > > partially boot, but that's all IIRC. I'd say go find > > yourself a copy of > > partition magic (or fips) and dual-boot if you want to play > > with OS/2. :) > >Will BOCHS run on that version of windows? You may have a chance with >that too -- I've heard that it would boot OS/2, but that's second hand >information. > >Chris > > >Christopher Smith, Perl Developer >Amdocs - Champaign, IL > >/usr/bin/perl -e ' >print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); >' > Matthew Sell Programmer On Time Support, Inc. www.ontimesupport.com (281) 296-6066 Join the Metrology Software discussion group METLIST! http://www.ontimesupport.com/subscribe_t&c.html. "One World, One Web, One Program" - Microsoft Promotional Ad "Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Fuhrer" - Adolf Hitler Many thanks for this tagline to a fellow RGVAC'er...

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UPS was Re: Need Burroughs Tape Spec's

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

I dunno, I think shipping UPS to a business address versus a residential address may have some effect, not sure.. I hate Fedex ground, they like to deliver my company's packages to Lewan & Assosciates, an office product-type company down the street from us. Gah! Will J _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp.

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NEC V20 and Rainbow (was: NEC V-20 was: Native CP/M)

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Lawrence Walker <lgwalker(a)mts.net> To: Mark Tapley <mtapley(a)swri.edu>; classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> I would be interested in seeing the mod documentation when you find it. I keep hoping I'll find a cheap stash of V-20s to use on about 3 or 4 of my boxes, altho they come up fairly reasonable on EPay from time to time. Hows the Stylewriter project going ? Lawrence What do you call cheap. They are commonly available from JDR and other for around $10 for the V20-10, and $9 for the -8{8mhz} version. Allison

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OT email response format (was Re: TTL computing)

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: R. D. Davis [mailto:rdd@rddavis.org] > Quothe Christopher Smith, from writings of Tue, Apr 16, 2002 > > because I just don't have the time to write a well-formatted reply, > > and because it is not that offensive. > Your point is? Let me take a guess: you feel that your time is more > important than anyone else's time, disk space and bandwidth. As to it I don't have any say over anyone else's time, but I certainly do my best not to take much of it. If I can save them 20 minutes of work, at the expense of reading a poorly formatted email, why not offer the choice? As for disk space, you'll note (I hope) that even the most terribly formatted of my posts usually have all of the cruft clipped out of them. In addition you'll note that (yes, as a courtesy to anyone who might be reading) I tend to strip out other peoples' formatting mistakes when I reply too. My point is that even though I usually do these things, and even though I probably put more work into it than most other people due to this piece of microsoft trash that I'm using as a mail client, I don't agree that these rules ought to be enforced short of using social pressure when it's appropriate. Did you really not get that from my last post? (I'm not being condescending here, I'm really curious as to whether I missed the mark in trying to lay that out...) > not being offensive, let's just say that there are people in this > world who don't bathe or use deodorants who don't think they're > offensive to others. Indeed, and I generally wouldn't associate with them for the health of my own nose. If a poorly formatted post is that offensive to you, then certainly you're welcome to not read it, and you will either gain time, or lose one of a number of other things because of it. I won't say that it's right or wrong. > For many years most Usenet posts and e-mail did follow such rules, Most still do, at least the ones that I read. Some don't, and of those, most have no good reason not to -- I'll grant that. I still believe that because exceptions to that rule exist, enforcement of the rule ought to take that into account. > then, the 'net became "popular;" the world wasn't perfect back then > either, but most users of the 'net at that time were more likely to be > more intelligent, or at least better educated, than the average > person running loose in our society. It's a shame that's not the case any more, certainly. So how about that classic cmp UUCP network? Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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Micro$oft Biz'droid Lusers (was: OT email response format)

by dquebbeman＠acm.org

> Quothe Christopher Smith, from writings of Tue, Apr 16, 2002 at 10:48:39AM -0500: > > (typical windows-using mindset, but let's not get into that :), > > Alas, it's illegal to properly fix such problems with an appropriate > LART. > > > and I'm really trying to play by their rules. They have no > > Why play by their rules? The more who do, the worse the problem will > become for all of us. Let the biz'droid lusers know that their > software is broken and that they need to pay an appropriate > professional to fix their minds as well. Dang, RD, I was ready to quote your reply to Marvin with a big uppercase DITTO MAN!, then you go and say something like this... Gotta respect ya, you sure don't mince words... OTOH, when we bought those 25 Dells at Christmas, I drew the line on new software; we got Win 2000, not Win XP, and I tried like hell to get Office 2000 instead of Office XP, even to the point of trying to get TPTB buy Office 2000 at a local Marketpro show. But they like that one-stop shopping... -dq -Douglas Hurst Quebbeman (DougQ at ixnayamspayIgLou.com) [Call me "Doug"] Surgically excise the pig-latin from my e-mail address in order to reply "The large print giveth, and the small print taketh away." -Tom Waits

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UPS was Re: Need Burroughs Tape Spec's

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On April 16, Douglas H. Quebbeman wrote: > He didn't mention whether it was residential or commercial delivery; > with commercial/business dleivery, you usually end up establishing > a relationship with the delivery person; as a result, I think those > guys are more carefully because they're going to have to look you > in the eye. > > OTOH, residential delivery drivers just dump the package > and run... so in that case, I might suspect a delivery person. All residential deliveries...but as far as being on the receiving end, I work from home and usually see the driver in person, and I *always* establish a relationship with the drivers for all the services that deliver packages to my house. > But I've seen videotapes of UPS employees offloading planes, > and with one guy "going long" you can tell how respectful > they are with stuff. And they were being quite jolly about > it, too... Fear. -Dave -- Dave McGuire "Mmmm. Big." St. Petersburg, FL -Den

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OT email response format (was Re: TTL computing)

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Tothwolf [mailto:tothwolf@concentric.net] > Then I guess you will have to deal with people like myself > reformatting > your emails when replying. I personally can't stand to see an > email thread > with mostly proper quoting where someone replies at the top. > Several email > lists I'm on have an enforced rule that email must be quoted > and threaded > properly. That's all good and everything, but I'm certain I'd have reservations about subscribing to a mailing list that enforced it. It so happens that it's quite a bit of extra effort for me to re-format mail so that it looks acceptable, and should I not have the time, yes, I will reply in a form closer to what this piece of $(*& mail client tries to shove down my throat -- I do that both because I just don't have the time to write a well-formatted reply, and because it is not that offensive. HTML is a different story, since most sane people, given a choice of mail readers, would pick one that won't display it. On the other hand, that can be stripped out automatically, leaving no trouble for the people on either end of the conversation. At any rate, removing a post, or a subscriber, because they put the quotations in the wrong place is completely idiotic; this is done, right, or how else would the rule be enforced? > To date, all of the email etiquette information I've read > states that a > reply should always follow the quoted text, with the authors' > names at the > very top. Quotes should also be trimmed down, sometimes to just one > author's text. Any extra or unnecessary quoted text (including sigs) > should be removed to save bandwith. Sure, in a perfect world, that's great, but I've seen some very informative posts that don't follow these rules. Would you just dump them? You're certainly not going to talk everybody into following all of these rules all of the time. > If the subject of a thread changes significantly, the subject > line should > be modified accordingly. A modified subject line should > typically include > _at least_ 1/3-1/2 of the original subject line text, > prefixed by 'was', > and surrounded by parentheses. The current subject line is a > good example. Indeed it should, but again, people forget, or just get lazy, and that doesn't mean that the text of the message is any less valuable. I suppose the point of this whole rant is that regardless of how good these rules are, people will not follow all of them all of the time, and there's really nothing you, or I, or anyone else, can, or should, do about it. (There must be a rule about the number of ,,,s in a single sentence.) That being said, and this being off topic (on top of the fact that it's a problem that can't -- or shouldn't -- be fixed), I'll shut up now. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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Explain the NeXTStation "dim monitor" problem, etc...

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Dave McGuire [mailto:mcguire@neurotica.com] > It's been many years since I ran NeXTSTEP, so this might be > useless...but does "nu" modify the netinfo database? If not, well, > that might be the problem. Um... I have no idea. :) Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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UPS was Re: Need Burroughs Tape Spec's

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 4/16/2002 12:12:37 PM Central Daylight Time, dquebbeman(a)acm.org writes: > > > > > From: Dave McGuire > > > > > > On April 16, John R. Keys Jr. wrote: > > > > UPS delivered my Burroughs tape unit model BU4180 yesterday but it was > > > > destroyed. They must have dropped it from a high place as this thing > > > > weighs in at almost 80 pounds.. > > > > > > I'm wondering how UPS manages to stay in business anymore. I've > > > shipped about four things via UPS in the past year, and EVERY ONE OF > > > THEM arrived damaged to some extent. WTF?? > > > > Meanwhile, I personally have never had a problem with UPS, and with > > the volume of packages coming & going in this building, I've never seen > > anything bad either. Maybe just a moron for a driver? > > He didn't mention whether it was residential or commercial delivery; > with commercial/business dleivery, you usually end up establishing > a relationship with the delivery person; as a result, I think those > guys are more carefully because they're going to have to look you > in the eye. > > OTOH, residential delivery drivers just dump the package > and run... so in that case, I might suspect a delivery person. > > But I've seen videotapes of UPS employees offloading planes, > and with one guy "going long" you can tell how respectful > they are with stuff. And they were being quite jolly about > it, too... > > -dq > I ordered a NIC from a company and it shipped inside a bigger box shipped UPS. One corner of the box was crushed to 50% of its original height. Thankfully the NIC was far from damaged. I should have taken a picture of that box just to show what UPS does. They don't give a *(&* about the packages.

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The CommodoreOne is near!

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: John Chris Wren [mailto:jcwren@jcwren.com] > But then, one thing I have noticed about the list, > besides being an > excellent wealth of information and intelligent people, is > that some don't > know when to let something end. You can count me in that category. I wonder whether it's typical of the kind of person you'd find on this list? As a general observation, technical types tend to push things further than most people appreciate in several cases. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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OT email response format (was Re: TTL computing)

by dquebbeman＠acm.org

> > From: Dave McGuire [mailto:mcguire@neurotica.com] > > > So, why don't you use a real mail client...? > > ... because restrictions here are such that they don't mind me > using their pipe for personal things in a limited manner, but > they really hate for people to put any software on their system > (typical windows-using mindset, but let's not get into that :), > and I'm really trying to play by their rules. They have no > real mail client, in fact their installations of lookout(!) are > even more broken than usual. My requirement for mail clients that would be used here at work includes most importantly that they be MAPI-enabled e-mail clients. If you have to ask why, the answer is: our line of business application is a Windows-only application, and we find that by sticking exclusively to Windows-based applications, we achieve a high rate of integration between all our systems, and more importantly, between all our lusers, er, users. The shorter version of that ansnwer is: groupware. I'd be interested in seeing what e-mail clients Dave and others use *THAT ARE MAPI-ENABLED*. Not a criterium for most of you perhaps, but it is for me. -dq -Douglas Hurst Quebbeman (DougQ at ixnayamspayIgLou.com) [Call me "Doug"] Surgically excise the pig-latin from my e-mail address in order to reply "The large print giveth, and the small print taketh away." -Tom Waits

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Download CD images for RSX-11 and RT-11 Freeware CDs from Tim Shoppa

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On April 16, Carlini, Antonio wrote: > > Any reasonably modern BSD-based system should have the md5 > program > >preinstalled. If not, you should be able to find it at > > I think you'll find he's running a much older > version of BSD called W98 : Hmm. Well, that's a problem that's easy to solve. :) -Dave -- Dave McGuire "Mmmm. Big." St. Petersburg, FL -Den

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UPS was Re: Need Burroughs Tape Spec's

by mythtech＠mac.com

> If FedEx dropped their price a little I think more people >would use them vice UPS. I don't do heavy FedEx Ground shipping (although I do heavey FedEx Express shipping, so the discount may carry over, I don't know), but in my limited uses of FedEx Ground, they are between $5 and $25 cheaper than UPS Ground depending on distance, weight, and size. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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The CommodoreOne is near!

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: John Chris Wren [mailto:jcwren@jcwren.com] > Jesus. And people wonder why women have a hard time in the industry. Um, I think this is getting pretty bad. On the other hand, I don't know (nor have I any idea whether anyone does) the target of all of this jest well enough to predict whether she'd have a problem with it. That said -- I will assume that "the industry" is on topic here and continue along those lines for a minute -- I don't know whether this is really an industry specific problem. It strikes me as occurring in many different social settings. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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Champaign trip (aka DEC Galore)

by Mzthompson＠aol.com

I took a little trip over to Champaign, IL yesterday (Mon) and met up with fellow list member Chris Smith. Chris: Just to let you know, I made it home, hot & tired, but ok. It was good to meet you and visit for a while. No doubt, Chris spent yesterday evening going through the carload of stuff I took over to him. I'll let him tell about that. Don't let him get away with calling it his 'latest haul', because he didn't, it was 'home delivery'. :) After that I went to a little town about 12 miles southwest of Champaign. It is named Sadorus and has a population of around 400. It just occurred to me, this town probably holds the record for DEC per capita. Anyway, I stopped at a place called C-U Digital. There I found a warehouse, roughly 8,000 sq. ft., filled with nothing but DEC. A summary of what I saw: Stacks of 5000/2xx DECstations, boxes of LK201/401 keyboards, piles of DECserver 90's, several RAxx drives, several StorageWorks cabinets, a mess of RF7x DSSI drives, a few Alpha servers, several RAID cabinets. This is just the short list. I'd go on but I don't want to be the cause of excess drooling. :) Chris: IIRC, they have VT100 keyboards, and a few still in original packing. Kevin Craft, the owner, was away on a fishing trip, so I talked with this brother Keith. It seems they are still doing a good business, supplying die-hard customers with DEC hardware. He related one recent story where a customer wanted to replace a couple dying VR260 monitors, only the customer insisted that they be new units. I did get a few prices and as expected they are a lot higher than what we list members would prefer. IIRC, an RRD42/43 for around $75, or an RF73 for around $50. About the only good price I heard was around $10 for about any DEC drive mounting bracket. Granted I have found them for less than half that, but those deals are getting fewer and farther between. I guess I can't fault these two for the prices, after all, selling DEC is their livelihood. Keith did mention the amounts of stuff setting around that has not sold in years. For example, a pallet full of DELNI's. I brought up the the subject of this mailing list and hobbyists who are always looking for various items. I then mentioned that selling a mess of DELNI's for a few bucks to hobbyists was better than setting on a pallet gathering dust. He went defensive on me, stating that as soon as he does that, he will get a call from a faithful customer wanting dozens of them. Of course that was Keith talking and Kevin is the boss. I know from past dealings that Kevin is a little more receptive to some ideas. I did get an agreement that sounds promising. I know where this a local cache of DEC, removed from service and setting dormant. The place has a habit of letting stuff set for around five years and then just tossing it. Even with that, I can't seem to talk them out of anything now. I suspect that is because 1) I am cheap, 2) I am just some individual who wandered in. I told Keith that I would get an inventory and he can make an offer, and if it goes through I would like a couple of the machines as a finder's fee. He agreed. The big sour note, I recognized some single drive expansion boxes. However, the DEC badge had been replaced with a Compaq. Compaq actually went to the trouble of having the plastic badge inserts remade in their image. Fortunately, I had not yet had lunch. Well, I have rambled enough. If there is a DEC item that you just absolutely, positively have to have regardless of the price then you might want to contact them. Kevin Craft C-U Digital 100 W. Market St. (the main drag thru town) Sadorus, IL 61872 (217) 598-2424 kaccudigital(a)aol.com (Kevin's or Keith's, I don't know which) Mike

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TTL computing

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On April 16, Richard Erlacher wrote: > Last month, I had to build a programmer for a microcontroller. It required > only three components other than the MCU. There was an oscillator, a MAX232A, > and a 74HCT125. I had no trouble getting a suitable oscillator, and I > generally have a few MAX232's around. It took weeks to find the HCT125, > though, given that I didn't want to pay $10 for shipping of a $.25 part. In > the meantime, I'd built the thing with a GAL16V8. Overkill, well, true, but I > didn't have to deal with the widespread search. Hmm, Mouser has 74HCT125s in stock at $0.40. They're in SO-14 packages, but they've got 'em. -Dave -- Dave McGuire "Mmmm. Big." St. Petersburg, FL -Den

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UPS was Re: Need Burroughs Tape Spec's

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On April 16, r. 'bear' stricklin wrote: > The 'missing packaging' photo is essentially what things looked like when > I opened the box. The rest of the photos detail the damage done. Clearly > this is not the fault of UPS. I couldn't have filed an insurance claim, > and it would've been unreasonable of me to have done so. The entire burden > of the damage was on the bonehead shipper who didn't pack the thing. To > the shipper's credit, he took responsibility and shipped me another one > (again, in an otherwise-empty box (grr!) but which arrived, mercifully, > intact). Hmm, does that vendor have any more of them? :) > The point is, UPS publishes packaging guidelines. Use them and be happy. > > Based on my experience, I'd have to say that your gripes with UPS > destroying packages might better be placed squarely on the inadequate use > of packing materials. My experience has been just the opposite, unfortunately. I rarely if ever receive anything that's been poorly packed, and I nearly always have problems with packages destroyed by UPS. I guess I'm just unlucky. :-/ -Dave -- Dave McGuire "Mmmm. Big." St. Petersburg, FL -Den

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The CommodoreOne is near!

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On April 16, John Chris Wren wrote: > What Chris said said it best. I don't know her. She may or may appreciate > the attempt at humor that seemingly has run a little long. I know very few > women who are designers. And I know *alot* of designers. I'd hate to see > someone get turned away because of perceived attitudes. That would be beyond terrible, yes. > By my take it should have ended about the comment that was something to > effect of "Clone Jeri or the Commodore-1?". Fair enough. > But then, one thing I have noticed about the list, besides being an > excellent wealth of information and intelligent people, is that some don't > know when to let something end. ...and some don't know when to relax. -Dave -- Dave McGuire "Mmmm. Big." St. Petersburg, FL -Den

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Explain the NeXTStation "dim monitor" problem, etc...

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On April 16, Christopher Smith wrote: > Next, can anyone tell me why, after booting into single user mode, > and changing the root password with 'nu -m' I might still be > refused a login next time I boot? ... > A) It's getting another password from somewhere and overwriting the > one I put in? (I hope not.. :) It's been many years since I ran NeXTSTEP, so this might be useless...but does "nu" modify the netinfo database? If not, well, that might be the problem. -Dave -- Dave McGuire "Mmmm. Big." St. Petersburg, FL -Den

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OT email response format (was Re: TTL computing)

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On April 16, Christopher Smith wrote: > > So, why don't you use a real mail client...? > > ... because restrictions here are such that they don't mind me > using their pipe for personal things in a limited manner, but > they really hate for people to put any software on their system > (typical windows-using mindset, but let's not get into that :), > and I'm really trying to play by their rules. They have no > real mail client, in fact their installations of lookout(!) are > even more broken than usual. Oh, ouch... :-( -Dave -- Dave McGuire "Mmmm. Big." St. Petersburg, FL -Den

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The CommodoreOne is near!

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On April 16, Christopher Smith wrote: > > Jesus. And people wonder why women have a hard time in the industry. > > Um, I think this is getting pretty bad. On the other hand, I don't > know (nor have I any idea whether anyone does) the target of all of > this jest well enough to predict whether she'd have a problem with it. > > That said -- I will assume that "the industry" is on topic here and > continue along those lines for a minute -- I don't know whether this > is really an industry specific problem. It strikes me as occurring in > many different social settings. It certainly does, though it seems to be worse in this industry. I've worked with many women in this business (indeed, the most talented programmer I've ever worked with is female)...the vast majority take stuff like this in the way it is intended (humorous and not disrespectful) and laugh about it, while a couple get offended. Those who take offense, well, us guys probably shouldn't say things like that to (or about) them...though I believe they need to relax a bit and find something different to get up-in-arms about. Now, if it interferes with the career progress or professional respect of the person in question, that's a WHOLE different story...that is wholly unacceptable and must not be tolerated. This is a JOKE, it is FUN, and the moment it steps beyond that (for either party) it needs to stop. -Dave -- Dave McGuire "Mmmm. Big." St. Petersburg, FL -Den

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cure equiepement that was in the rain... best practices???

by Mzthompson＠aol.com

On Mon, 15 Apr 2002; Enrico Badella <enrico.badella(a)softstar.it> wrote: Re: cure equiepement that was in the rain... best practices??? > I ve this nice question for all of you... what are the best ways to > cure boxes that were out exposed to the weather for an unknown amount > of time. > Last week I managed to get my hands on 2 vaxstations 4000/60, a Cisco > MGS, a HP Apollo 700 workstation, Sun Sparcstation 20 (WOW), a VAX 4000-300 > and a Panasonic 7330. All have varying degree of dampness 8-((. At the > moment I have them in house dry and warm... should I stuff them in the oven > at low temperature and force a drying or best let them settle for some time. I've seen both done. A few years back, a tree fell into the back of my garage. The main hole in the roof was directly over and IBM workstation and its 19" monitor. Many gallons of water funneled down through that hole and into the monitor. In addition to the water, there was the the gravel off the roof shingles as well as small pieces of tree branches, leaves, and bark that got into the monitor. Since the priority was the garage, the machine and monitor got moved to the barn where they sat for almost a year. That meant they went through a fall, winter and spring before I dealt with them again. Since the insurance covered the workstation, I decided to just not mess with it. With full knowledge of what had happened, a friend of mine said he would like to have it. I gave it to him and after a little clean up he gave it the 'magic smoke' test. AFAIK, he is still using the machine. OTOH, I used to work for a Federal agency and they had a supply depot & repair facility. I toured it once and watched them dunk a 100 watt UHF tube type transmitter into a tank of cleaning solution. They then put it into a huge oven for a period of time. I have no idea for how long nor at what temperature, but the units went back out into the field and worked fine. Mike

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CDROMs and RT-11

by jhfinepw4z＠compsys.to

I don't know if anyone is interested, but I suspect that I have found a way to set-up a dual file structure CD for RT-11. It would initially be started under Windows 98, although that is not required. I have yet to actually test my concept in practice since I don't think I have the required hardware on my Windows 98 system and I don't have a working CDROM on my real PDP-11. However, in principle I don't see why it will not work based on the information I have been able to gather during the last couple of months since I acquired a CD-RW CDROM drive. If you are interested, please contact me and I will write a full report. Sincerely yours, Jerome Fine -- If you attempted to send a reply and the original e-mail address has been discontinued due a high volume of junk e-mail, then the semi-permanent e-mail address can be obtained by replacing the four characters preceding the 'at' with the four digits of the current year.

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Download CD images for RSX-11 and RT-11 Freeware CDs from Tim Shoppa

by Antonio.Carlini＠riverstonenet.com

> Any reasonably modern BSD-based system should have the md5 program >preinstalled. If not, you should be able to find it at I think you'll find he's running a much older version of BSD called W98 : Someone seems to have kindly backported MD5 to that platform: http://www.pc-tools.net/win32/freeware/console/ Antonio

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The CommodoreOne is near!

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On April 15, Ben Franchuk wrote: > > I'd say the biggest problem will be filling all the orders. I'd probably > > be looking for a contract manufacturer in her place. > > Give her time ... Cloning is not quite up to speed yet. Hmm, can I place an advance order? -Dave -- Dave McGuire "Hush and eat your vegetables, young lady!" St. Petersburg, FL - Mr. Bill

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UPS was Re: Need Burroughs Tape Spec's

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

> From: Dave McGuire > > On April 16, John R. Keys Jr. wrote: > > UPS delivered my Burroughs tape unit model BU4180 yesterday but it was > > destroyed. They must have dropped it from a high place as this thing > > weighs in at almost 80 pounds.. > > I'm wondering how UPS manages to stay in business anymore. I've > shipped about four things via UPS in the past year, and EVERY ONE OF > THEM arrived damaged to some extent. WTF?? > > -Dave > > -- > Meanwhile, I personally have never had a problem with UPS, and with the volume of packages coming & going in this building, I've never seen anything bad either. Maybe just a moron for a driver? --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 Mac OS X 10.1.2 - Darwin Kernel Version 5.2: Fri Dec 7 21:39:35 PST 2001 Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash

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Edge of OT: Quotes [was: FWD: Goodbye VAX hello ALpha]

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

> From: Cameron Kaiser > > > Mmmm, Windows user. Crunchy and good with ketchup. > > .sig dibs! > > -- > ----------------------------- personal page: > http://www.armory.com/~spectre/ -- > Cameron Kaiser, Point Loma Nazarene University * > ckaiser(a)stockholm.ptloma.edu > -- Mmmm, Windows user. Crunchy and good with ketchup. -- Dave McGuire > --------- > > Well, the way I like it is... "Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup." I don't know who the author is, but this web page seems to say that it was derived from J.R.R. Tolkien.. http://ftp.logica.com/~stepneys/cyc/m/meddle.htm ... which leads to... http://ftp.logica.com/~stepneys/cyc/u/unix.htm ...which brings it back around to being on topic, I hope :) --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 Mac OS X 10.1.2 - Darwin Kernel Version 5.2: Fri Dec 7 21:39:35 PST 2001 Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash

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cure equiepement that was in the rain... best practices???"

by dquebbeman＠acm.org

> Douglas H. Quebbeman wrote: > > Using a small area of the board where you could correct any damage > > that this substance might cause, try a little CLR... it's a mixture > > sold throughout the midwest (U.S.) that dissolves Calcium, Lime, and > > Rust deposits. Phosphoric acid is one of its components... so be real > > careful. I've never used it on PC boards before, but it can't be beaten > > for removing corrosion off metal parts. > > I've thought about picking some CLR up, but don't really have a current > use for it. You mention that it will remove corrosion, does that include rust? I use CLR for: * cleaning the coffeepot (rinse with vinegar afterward) * decalcifying the showerhead * removing rust from nuts, bolts, etc. hardware. * removing rust stains from the clothes washer * making copper pennies be shiny again As others mention, after you clean rust off metal, it will begin to rust almost immediately. I usually use a lubricant made by BG Industries called 'HK' afterward, to prevent corrossion, but sometimes settle for WD-40. If you leave ferrous metals in too long, some ionization process starts to leave a dark film on the parts. It looks ugly, but so far, those parts don't further rust (but the dark film looks like corrosion itself though I don't think it is). hth, -dq -Douglas Hurst Quebbeman (DougQ at ixnayamspayIgLou.com) [Call me "Doug"] Surgically excise the pig-latin from my e-mail address in order to reply "The large print giveth, and the small print taketh away." -Tom Waits

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DELQA/DEQNA Cab Kits question

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

I should know this, but can't remember, are the Cab Kits for the DEQNA and DELQA interchangable? I was up in storage today and I seem to have more DEQNA Cab Kits than DEQNA's and the only DEQNA I could find was in a system, and I've got two DELQA's and no DELQA Cab Kits. On a possitive note, the Palm Pilot "Field Guide" I asked about last weekend came in very handy as I couldn't remember what boards I had (and of course my inventory list was at home). I ended up bringing home a lot more than I planned on as I found a couple of cool boards :^) Zane -- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh(a)aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ |

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OT email response format (was Re: TTL computing)

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On April 16, Christopher Smith wrote: > Sorry -- I, for one, would jump at the chance to use a real mail > client. It would keep me from having to wrap my own lines (!) :/ So, why don't you use a real mail client...? -Dave -- Dave McGuire "Mmmm. Big." St. Petersburg, FL -Den

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OT email response format (was Re: TTL computing)

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: pat(a)cart-server.purdueriots.com > [mailto:pat@cart-server.purdueriots.com] > I know some people aren't great typists or use funky (eg. > Outlook) email > clients, but to me it helps make the message much more readable. Sorry -- I, for one, would jump at the chance to use a real mail client. It would keep me from having to wrap my own lines (!) :/ Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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Assorted goodies & TK Question

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Zane H. Healy [mailto:healyzh@aracnet.com] > I've no idea how easy it would be, I've never tried to take > my drive apart. > As for making a 'sleave', I don't think you could without one > to go by (even > then I'm not sure). The worst part is the caddies for this > drive are rare > as hens teeth! Well, I haven't tried taking it apart either, but it may be worth mentioning specifically that when you put the clear "sleeve" back into the drive, it almost certainly releases some kind of catch which allows it to lock onto the "cd-holding-insert-thing" and pull the whole thing back out. I would try to find that catch, which is most likely off to the one side or the other (just a guess, since that's probably where I'd put it...), or directly above or below the disk. (like built into the spindle that turns the CD somehow...) If you can get to it, and release it, you ought to be able to pull the disc out. Otherwise, yes, the caddies are kind of difficult to find, but I have two (one for each drive), so you can probably get them. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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Download CD images for RSX-11 and RT-11 Freeware CDs from Tim Shoppa

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On April 16, Jerome H. Fine wrote: > It took a week of trying, but I have finally downloaded all three CD > images for RSX-11 and RT-11 from: > ftp://ftp.trailing-edge.com/pub/cd-images/ > Note also that the file MD5SUMS seems to contain checksum > values, but I don't know how to use these values or produce them > myself to check if my files are correct. Can anyone help? $ cat > /tmp/foo blah ^D $ md5 /tmp/foo MD5 (/tmp/foo) = 0d599f0ec05cebda8c3b8a68c32a1b47 $ Any reasonably modern BSD-based system should have the md5 program preinstalled. If not, you should be able to find it at ftp://ftp.cerias.purdue.edu/pub/tools/unix/crypto/md5/. See http://www.cert.org/security-improvement/implementations/i002.01.html for more information. -Dave -- Dave McGuire "Mmmm. Big." St. Petersburg, FL -Den

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The CommodoreOne is near!

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

Got a little humor impairment problem there, John? -Dave On April 16, John Chris Wren wrote: > Jesus. And people wonder why women have a hard time in the industry. > > --John > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > > [mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Gene Buckle > > Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 9:45 AM > > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > > Subject: Re: The CommodoreOne is near! > > > > > > > > > > I'd say the biggest problem will be filling all the > > orders. I'd probably > > > > > > be looking for a contract manufacturer in her place. > > > > > > > > Give her time ... Cloning is not quite up to speed yet. > > > > > > > Hmm, can I place an advance order? > > > > > > I do hope you're referring to the *computer*. > > > > > Well that depends. Does the computer come with a Life-Like(tm) Jeri doll? > > *GD&R* > > > > > > g. > > > > > > -- Dave McGuire "Mmmm. Big." St. Petersburg, FL -Den

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VAX-11/785 available, act immediately (fwd)

by pat＠cart-server.purdueriots.com

I saw this on another list, thought there might be interest here. On Mon, 15 Apr 2002, Douglas A. Gwyn wrote: > Subj: Vax 11/785 > Date: 4/15/2002 10:03:46 AM Eastern Daylight Time > From: PPSJM(a)prodigy.net > > Hello, > > I just wanted to throw this out and see if anybody has any interest. > We have an opportunity to pick up a complete VAX11/785. > With all the boards in it, it's actually worth a decent amount as scrap > metal. It is currently queued for the scrap heap. > I would buy it and resell it if anyone has an interest. I guess if > anyone is interested make me an offer and I'll see if it's worth it for > me to pick it up.

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simh V2.9-5

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

> I just downloaded and built simh V2.9. I was able to boot the > RA90 disk image I created for Charon-VAX. No timeout, full Just to be nit-picky, that would be V2.9-5. > source, with Ethernet support coming. There's supposed to > be a couple of bugs, but I haven't found them yet. Ethernet is coming?!?! When? I could really use ethernet support for the PDP-11 version of SIMH! BTW, how does the speed of the VAX version compare to real hardware? Zane

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HP old computer

by mcap＠ns.sympatico.ca

I am looking for the specs for a Hewlett Packard Vectra Vi series 4 5/90 computer. Someone gave me this machine which works fine however getting the darn thing open so I can install a cd rom is another matter. Its like a vault or something. If anyone can find specs for this computer could you please email me the URL to fenwick(a)ns.sympatico.ca Thank you Robb Fenwick

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Need Burroughs Tape Spec's

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

UPS delivered my Burroughs tape unit model BU4180 yesterday but it was destroyed. They must have dropped it from a high place as this thing weighs in at almost 80 pounds. Things inside are pretty bad but I would like to try and get it looking nice again, since the boards inside are damaged I do not think I can get it to work again. Does anyone on the list have repair manual for this model? I would like to see how he belts go around the pulleys inside the case. Thanks

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BIE model 4410

by pat＠cart-server.purdueriots.com

Does anyone know what this is or want it? It looks somewhat collectable... I'm asking $25 for it, that's how much it'll cost me for the switches and LEDs if I build my own frontpanel instead of re-use this one's. Here's a description, pictures to appear soon on http://purdueriots.com/imgs/ called bie*.jpg >From the date on the back, it looks to have been purchased in '78 or '79. It's a 6800 based system that I picked up at Purdue Salvage for a couple $$. It has 3 IO cards each with a 6821 on it, a MPU card with a 6800, a ROM card, a front-panel card and some other card with (i believe) RAM of some sort on it (chips are Intel P5101L's 22pin DIPs). Front panel has 24 toggle switches w/LEDs (persumably for the IO), a 6digit 7seg display labeled TIME, 7seg labeled FAULT and a pair of 7seg's labeled STEP. On the right, a 2x6 matrix of pushbuttons labelled 0-9 and a pair labeled "S". Next to that, a 2x6 matrix of PBs with LEDs next to them, labeled: STEP BRANCH STEP NO. PROG. START INST. TIME ABORT MASK OUTPUT ABORT ON/OFF INPUT MASK ABORT STEP NO. INPUT ON/OFF CLEAR STEP Along the bottom, there's a row of switches, left to rigth: POWER: Red push-on push-off square switch AUTO/MANUAL: SPST keyswitch EXAM LOAD/RUN: SPST keyswitch PROGRAM: Set of four 'interlocked' buttons (only one is set at a time) 1-4 START: momentary PB RUN, HOLD: interlocked PB's JOG: momentary PB RESET: FAULT, SYST: momentary PB, ALARM: push-on/push-off ABORT: momentary PB The case is rackmount, about 5U or 6U. On the back: 50pin "Amphenol" scsi-style connector. Connected to three IO cards. Power inlet, outlet, fuse SONALERT beeper.

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cure equiepement that was in the rain... best practices???

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On April 15, Sridhar the POWERful wrote: > > Last week I managed to get my hands on 2 vaxstations 4000/60, a Cisco > > MGS, a HP Apollo 700 workstation, Sun Sparcstation 20 (WOW), a VAX 4000-300 > > and a Panasonic 7330. All have varying degree of dampness 8-((. At the > > moment I have them in house dry and warm... should I stuff them in the oven > > at low temperature and force a drying or best let them settle for some time. > > I would carefully rinse them off, taking care not to soak anything that > would be damaged by water. Then I would pat dry with a paper towel and > let dry. I wouldn't stick anything electronic in the oven. Actually it works quite well, at *low* temperatures. Electric ovens work best for this since gas ovens produce tons of moisture. Trouble is, many ovens can't go low enough (~200F or so). I've had good results from sitting stuff atop floor-mounted heater vents in the winter. This obviously works best when the equipment in question has air vents. Over the past ten years or so, I have gotten a *large* quantity of equipment (literally hundreds of computers) that has been out in the rain, sometimes for months. Some of it I use daily even now. Computer stuff (except for floppy and hard drives) tends to deal with it fine, even monitors. Analog stuff like test equipment tends not to fare so well, nor does mechanical stuff like scanners (though my main scanner was indeed out in the rain for about a week; after a little TLC it performs flawlessly). The water doesn't seem to do any harm at all, even with long-term exposure...it's the crap that the water can carry into the equipment, and sometimes corrosion later on. -Dave -- Dave McGuire "Hush and eat your vegetables, young lady!" St. Petersburg, FL - Mr. Bill

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cure equiepement that was in the rain... best practices???

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On April 15, Doc wrote: > > TLC it performs flawlessly). The water doesn't seem to do any harm at > > all, even with long-term exposure...it's the crap that the water can > > carry into the equipment, and sometimes corrosion later on. > > So what can you do with accumulated mineal salts around component > legs? Looks like tin "rust". I tried firm-but-gentle with a stiff > toothbrush, and didn't get anywhere. > I have that MV3100-90 board that I think just needs the corrosion, > which I suspect is conductive, removed. I use Alconox, a trisodium phosphate based cleaner that's very effective. I have a big pile of acid brushes...those little pencil-sized brushes that go for about a dime a dozen. I think they came from MSC, but I don't recall for sure. Their bristles are about 1" long by default, but you can easily trim them down to make them much stiffer. They're good for scrubbing stuff like that...similar to a toothbrush but easier to deal with. -Dave -- Dave McGuire "Hush and eat your vegetables, young lady!" St. Petersburg, FL - Mr. Bill

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Classic monochrome phosphors?

by dbp＠phosphor-technology.com

Hi, The phosphor compositions are not secret, only the way they are made! The old monochrome green P39 is made of Zinc Silicate activated with Manganese and a trace of Arsenic to extend the persistence,(Zn2SiO4:Mn:As) which is the main difference between that and P1 (Zn2SiO4:Mn). The old monochrome orange "LA" phosphor is made of Cadmium Chlorophosphate activated with Manganese (Cd5(PO4)3.Cl:Mn). There are not always equivalents between the two codes. We stopped making LA phosphor for the far eastern market in the mid 90's because of environmental issues and the rise of colour monitors. I hope this helps David Pendrill Head of Research and Development. Phosphor Technology

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Assorted goodies & TK Question

by CAA007216＠mail.ono.es

If I understand it well, I could use one tabletop TK50-GA I have :-) That's right ? Oh, another more thing: Could I take one complete image of one backup tape to put it in a "virtual tape image" format ? I have one backup of Oracle for VMS (very old) and I'd like to recover it and mount under one simulator like SIMH or so. Greetings Sergio ----- Mensaje Original ----- Remitente: "Greg Elkin" <beermat(a)bouncy-castle.demon.co.uk> Fecha: Martes, Abril 16, 2002 11:32 am Asunto: Re: Assorted goodies & TK Question > > Has anyone ever gotten a "TK50-Z" in a 'TK SCSI' encosure to > work with > > any 'normal' scsi controller on a PC or something? > > > Yup, got a stripped one sat on a desk at the moment ; > TK50 (ver E4) from a different system > the SCSI-TK50 drive adaptor board from the (scrap) enclosure, set > to ID5 > PC AT PSU to drive the adapter board & TK50 drive > PC with Adaptec AHA1540CF, running DOS6.22 & Adaptecs DOS driver > (ASPI4DOS.SYS) loaded. > > Using the ST program (v1.1, by John Wilson) I can read & write > images from/to > TK50 catridges happily. > > I have the thing nekkid as I need to clean the TK50s head using a > Qtip with > IPA on every few tapes I play with as they get gunked up from > reading the old > tapes quite quickly. > > Now, if someone happens to have an image of the Mvax-II full > diagnostics that > could be usefull... > > > greg > >

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NEC V20 and Rainbow (was: NEC V-20 was: Native CP/M)

by mtapley＠swri.edu

Lawrence wrote: > On the Rainbow I saw mention of either an EPROM mod (it's documented >according to www.old-computers.com) or choosing the OS on start-up. I can't >remember the boot-up choice on my 'bow and it's buried right now. Boot-up choice is made by telling the system which disk to boot from. But you don't get to that choice unless you modify the boot PROM (I think not EPROM) to account for the V20's faster (fewer cycles) execution of a timing loop. The modification is documented, I think it's in Rainbow News and I can dig it out in a couple weeks if anyone is interested. For purposes of the original thread, modifying a Rainbow is needless, because it already includes a Z-80 (4 MHz) in addition to the 8088 (4.mumble MHz), and will run Dec CP/M-80/86. It probably makes a pretty good platform for anyone wishing to cross-develop from MS-DOS (up to 3.10b) to CP/M. For hot-rodding purposes, the V-20 mod is recommended by Rainbow News as a good way to get more speed out of the Rainbow. - Mark

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More 11/750 PSU Qs

by Lee.Davison＠merlincommunications.com

but it won't help with the current distribution problem. The PSU who's output after the diode drop is the highest voltage will end up sourcing all the current. Not what you really want. -tony Not quite, the forward volt drop of the diodes will even out the current between the individual units. Even shottky barrier diodes have a vf of >0.4v at the curents that would be involved. Lee. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- This email is intended only for the above named addressee(s). The information contained in this email may contain information which is confidential. The views expressed in this email are personal to the sender and do not in any way reflect the views of the company. If you have received this email and you are not a named addressee please delete it from your system and contact Merlin Communications International IT Department on +44 20 7344 5888. ________________________________________________________________________ This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star Internet. The service is powered by MessageLabs. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit: http://www.star.net.uk ________________________________________________________________________

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Assorted goodies & TK Question

by pat＠cart-server.purdueriots.com

Has anyone ever gotten a "TK50-Z" in a 'TK SCSI' encosure to work with any 'normal' scsi controller on a PC or something? I picked one up for a few $$ today, and just realized the enclosure has a 220V power supply... Also, how do I get the disk out of an RRD40 without a computer attached? If anyone's interested in this stuff, reply off-list: DEC RRD40. I don't have anything but the drive and whatever is stuck in the drive with the CD in it. In a 110V external enclosure. DEC TK50-Z. In a 220V external enclosure (IEC power connection) DEC RZ55. In a 220V external enclosure (same one as TK50-Z) DEC DEBET. 110V/220V switchable ethernet 'bridge' I think. PowerMac 6100/66 PowerMac 7100/66 PowerMac 7100/66 'chipped' to 80MHz - i don't know the specs off the top of my head for these, will have to look. mostly 250M-500M hard drive and 8M-24M of RAM Quadra 660av Quadra 610 Mac IIci Mac SE Sun SparcStation 1 - 40M RAM, 240M HDD, CG3 video Sun Sparc IPC - 40M RAM (IIRC, will check), NO HDD, builtin video 2xNCD 19r XTerm, upgraded memory. One with AUI/10B2, one with AUI/10BT. 2xIBM 3191 terminal (going on EBay if I cant find a buyer this time around) 2xApple //e, one with 128K and DuoDisk, one with 64K and single Disk ][. -- Pat

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Looking for a particular piece of hardware...

by vance＠ikickass.org

Specifically a 2-channel 80+Mbps Mylex RAID controller. Peace... Sridhar

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Looking for OS/2 software.

by vance＠ikickass.org

Specifically, I'm looking for Digitalk Parts Workbench for OS/2. Peace... Sridhar

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Kinda OT?: Looking for rackmount screw sets....

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

Well, I just acquired a 5' x 3' x 2' IBM AS400 drive cabinet. F--n heavy! Now, to mount equipment in it, I need to find some more of those clip-on T-nut kinda things, which clip on around the hole in the rails, so you then use the supplies screws to mount your equipment. Some older DEC racks used the same thing. And, as you can guess, the guys at the local Home Depot just gave me funny looks. Anybody know where I can get a dozen or two of these screw mount sets? For a reasonable price? And what are they called? --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 Mac OS X 10.1.2 - Darwin Kernel Version 5.2: Fri Dec 7 21:39:35 PST 2001 Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash

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simh V2.9

by dittman＠dittman.net

I just downloaded and built simh V2.9. I was able to boot the RA90 disk image I created for Charon-VAX. No timeout, full source, with Ethernet support coming. There's supposed to be a couple of bugs, but I haven't found them yet. -- Eric Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net Check out the DEC Enthusiasts Club at http://www.dittman.net/

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HP 13215A (Power supply) Info Needed

by ngallaher＠deepthought.org

I recently acquired an HP 13215A PS (power supply for a 7900A Disk Drive) from the local university (they junked an entire system and sold it for scrap piecewise). I can see that one of the terminal strips is labled with the output voltages (I assume) but other than that, I have no idea what this unit provides or requires. I would like to use this PS to power a FC array I have, but I don't know how to energize the PS, nor do I know the current ratings. Thanks, Nathan Gallaher

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TTL computing

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

Yep, and old and well known program. Allison -----Original Message----- From: Richard Erlacher <edick(a)idcomm.com> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Monday, April 15, 2002 8:06 PM Subject: Re: TTL computing >Well Palasm4 v1.5 is the last version of that, and I use it all the time. It >was still a freebie on the LATTICE website last time I looked. > >Dick > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "ajp166" <ajp166(a)bellatlantic.net> >To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> >Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 1:39 PM >Subject: Re: TTL computing > > >> Entirely likely, I did get a lot of stuff from MMI over the years >> and some of the other related companies. I still have and use >> PALASM and PALASM90. >> >> Allison >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Richard Erlacher <edick(a)idcomm.com> >> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> >> Date: Monday, April 15, 2002 3:10 PM >> Subject: Re: TTL computing >> >> >> >It may, in fact be about the same as my old version. I got mine from >> MMI back >> >when THEY were the ones pushing FPGA technology. >> > >> >Dick >> > >> >----- Original Message ----- >> >From: "ajp166" <ajp166(a)bellatlantic.net> >> >To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> >> >Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 8:13 AM >> >Subject: Re: TTL computing >> > >> > >> >> Xact, and older, much older version. I'd get the version number >> >> but the termcap file is OTL and I'm working on something else >> >> right now. That and a few bits provided by Tim olmstead to help >> >> with simulation. He was the one that got me into using them. >> >> >> >> >> >> Allison >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: Richard Erlacher <edick(a)idcomm.com> >> >> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> >> >> Date: Sunday, April 14, 2002 11:46 PM >> >> Subject: Re: TTL computing >> >> >> >> >> >> >Do these tools have names, Allison? My old DOS-based tool for FPGA >> >> >development, from MMI, was called XACT, and that's what was intended >> for >> >> the >> >> >2000-series devices. A later version supported the 3000 series. >> >> > >> >> >Which tools do you use for developing both 2000 and 3000-series >> >> bitstreams? >> >> > >> >> >Dick >> >> > >> >> >----- Original Message ----- >> >> >From: "ajp166" <ajp166(a)bellatlantic.net> >> >> >To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> >> >> >Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2002 8:28 PM >> >> >Subject: Re: TTL computing >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> From: Richard Erlacher <edick(a)idcomm.com> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Which tools are you referring to, Allison? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> OLD tools, as in dos based. >> >> >> >> >> >> >I've found that the tools I once used with the old (pre-1990) >> 2064's, >> >> >> don't >> >> >> >work with the 3000-series, and, though I have some 3000-series >> parts >> >> >> (which, >> >> >> >back when I bought them, cost about $200 each) I've not figured >> out a >> >> >> way to >> >> >> >program them using the old XACT or the more recent "Foundation" >> >> >> software. >> >> >> >They clearly are no longer supported with current software. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Neither have I. I also have the Synario package too. They phased >> out >> >> >> the tools for the 2064s a long time ago. >> >> >> >> >> >I have Synario for the Atmel devices. It's a Windows-based tool >> based, >> >> I >> >> >think, on a tool set originally cooked up by Data I/O. >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >

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DELQA/DEQNA Cab Kits question

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

> They are? I'm pretty sure I used a DEQNA cabinet kit with a > DELQA on a MVII for years. It would also help explain why I've got 2 DELQA's without cab kits, and an extra DEQNA Cab Kit. On a positive note, the VAXstation II/RC I stole the DEQNA from needs a DELQA if I ever get it running and the PDP-11/23+ can make do with a DEQNA. Zane

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DELQA/DEQNA Cab Kits question

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On April 15, Doc wrote: > > > I should know this, but can't remember, are the Cab Kits for the DEQNA and > > > DELQA interchangable? > > > > In one word, yes. Of course the little label on the panel won't change > > to reflect the card change on the other side. > > Even though the pinouts are quite different? I have used unmodified DEQNA cab kits on DELQAs with good results...how do the pinouts differ? -Dave -- Dave McGuire "Hush and eat your vegetables, young lady!" St. Petersburg, FL - Mr. Bill

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OS/2 running under VMWare, or other emulator for Windoze

by msell＠ontimesupport.com

Chris, I'm going to try BOCHS. I'll report what I find...... - Matt At 04:36 PM 4/15/2002 -0500, you wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > > From: pat(a)cart-server.purdueriots.com > > > > I was hoping to find a way to run trusty OS/2 on my laptop > > when I wasn't > > > busy with work...... > > > They stopped trying to support it in the 2.x days. I got Warp 3 to > > partially boot, but that's all IIRC. I'd say go find > > yourself a copy of > > partition magic (or fips) and dual-boot if you want to play > > with OS/2. :) > >Will BOCHS run on that version of windows? You may have a chance with >that too -- I've heard that it would boot OS/2, but that's second hand >information. > >Chris > > >Christopher Smith, Perl Developer >Amdocs - Champaign, IL > >/usr/bin/perl -e ' >print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); >' > Matthew Sell Programmer On Time Support, Inc. www.ontimesupport.com (281) 296-6066 Join the Metrology Software discussion group METLIST! http://www.ontimesupport.com/subscribe_t&c.html. "One World, One Web, One Program" - Microsoft Promotional Ad "Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Fuhrer" - Adolf Hitler Many thanks for this tagline to a fellow RGVAC'er...

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OS/2 running under VMWare, or other emulator for Windoze

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: pat(a)cart-server.purdueriots.com > > I was hoping to find a way to run trusty OS/2 on my laptop > when I wasn't > > busy with work...... > They stopped trying to support it in the 2.x days. I got Warp 3 to > partially boot, but that's all IIRC. I'd say go find > yourself a copy of > partition magic (or fips) and dual-boot if you want to play > with OS/2. :) Will BOCHS run on that version of windows? You may have a chance with that too -- I've heard that it would boot OS/2, but that's second hand information. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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TTL computing

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Ben Franchuk <bfranchuk(a)jetnet.ab.ca> >> If you buy a moderately cheap CPLD, e.g. the XILINX 95108, in a PLCC84, it >> costs about $20-30 U.S. at DigiKey. Combine that with a socket, ($4 tops) and >> a few wirewrap socket pins, ($.10 each) that's another $8.40. Now find a >> cheap wirewrap board to which you can solder ... and then use the free >> software and build the ~$5 ISP adapter. >Has anybody done that? I've done this with other similar packaged devices and it flies. >I have a nice FPGA prototype kit, (altera) but I am having problems >getting A PROM for it. I may go to using smaller chips like the XC-9572 >(72 macro cells) ? $12 canadian. They don't make wire wrap PLCC sockets What prom are you looking for? I'm still playing with some 2064s and 3030s and 3050s, yes they are old but the tools were free, the parts cheap and easy to load up with a 2816/64. Allison

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FWD: Re: Goodbye VAX hello ALpha

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On April 15, Cameron Kaiser wrote: > > Mmmm, Windows user. Crunchy and good with ketchup. > > .sig dibs! Heh, go for it! -Dave -- Dave McGuire "Hush and eat your vegetables, young lady!" St. Petersburg, FL - Mr. Bill

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The CommodoreOne is near!

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On April 15, Cameron Kaiser wrote: > > > > I'd say the biggest problem will be filling all the orders. I'd probably > > > > be looking for a contract manufacturer in her place. > > > > Give her time ... Cloning is not quite up to speed yet. > > > Hmm, can I place an advance order? > > I do hope you're referring to the *computer*. ;) -Dave -- Dave McGuire "Hush and eat your vegetables, young lady!" St. Petersburg, FL - Mr. Bill

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More 11/750 PSU Qs

by Antonio.Carlini＠riverstonenet.com

>> I was wondering if any of you know of a good power supply rebuilders in >> the UK? > >Never needed one ;-) I hear the sound of a volunteer :-) >> order a new industrial PSU to supply these voltages/currents (plus > >Well, I'd rather keep the machine as original as possible (if only to >make repairs easier in the future), not to mention the cost of a custom PSU This machine used to at least power up without exploding at least two owner's ago. It seems to be the same machine reported as having a 2.5V REGFAIL about four years ago ... so it's not been powered off for a *really* log time. OTOH, the PSU blocks do need to be plugged back in correctly otherwise something *will* go phut very loudly. I'll go read the printset as soon as I dig it out, it may have details of what goes where. >NO!. SMPSUs do not like being run in parallel (unless designed to be used >like that). One PSU will end up attempting to supply all the current and >the other PSUs may not like having voltages applied to their outputs. And once the first one drops dead, the next most "powerful" one repeats the process. Proof by "induction" left as an exercise :-) Antonio

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OS/2 running under VMWare, or other emulator for Windoze

by msell＠ontimesupport.com

Guys, Anyone have any luck running OS/2 under an emulator on Windows 2000? Just wondering. I tried installing OS/2 Warp 3 on my copy of VMWare 3, and it (VMWare) got mad and won't allow it to install. The web site says VMWare will not (and has no intention of) support OS/2. I was hoping to find a way to run trusty OS/2 on my laptop when I wasn't busy with work...... Thanks! - Matt Matthew Sell Programmer On Time Support, Inc. www.ontimesupport.com (281) 296-6066 Join the Metrology Software discussion group METLIST! http://www.ontimesupport.com/subscribe_t&c.html. "One World, One Web, One Program" - Microsoft Promotional Ad "Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Fuhrer" - Adolf Hitler Many thanks for this tagline to a fellow RGVAC'er...

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OP SYS SETUP

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) [mailto:cisin@xenosoft.com] > Before we get into arguing about "better" configurations, .. > Does anybody know what the f he's asking about? > Is his machine broken? > Is it working perfectly, but he doesn't know how to "access" it? I assumed he was asking for free system software to use with it since he for some reason couldn't get the original installation of windows to work. Hence my original answer, but you're right, it's incredibly ambiguous. :) > Is it the machine that he's writing with? > Perhaps fixing the shift key on his active machine should be a higher > priority. Indeed. I suppose it could be worse -- his message could have read: PLZ SEND ALL CODES!!!! Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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cure equiepement that was in the rain... best practices???

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

One assumes all the producs of corrosion are salts . Some however will be oxides and van be very conductive. I've also seen new boards contaiminated with fungal materal {assembled and washed in old mehieco} that had all manner of seemingly intermittent problems until rewashed in clean water and dried. Allison -----Original Message----- From: Sridhar the POWERful <vance(a)ikickass.org> To: Doc Shipley <doc(a)mdrconsult.com> Cc: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 12:38 AM Subject: Re: cure equiepement that was in the rain... best practices??? >On Mon, 15 Apr 2002, Doc Shipley wrote: > >> > The salts that are the endproduct of corrosion usually aren't conductors, >> > but that wouldn't prevent them from interfering with the operation of the >> > board. >> >> Well, something's interfering. I get a persistent B_CACHE failure on >> startup. > >It might be something like corrosion int the middle of a contact, if you >have any socketed chips. Or omsething like that. > >Peace... Sridhar >

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DELQA/DEQNA Cab Kits question

by cdl＠proxima.ucsd.edu

> Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 19:32:05 -0700 > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh(a)aracnet.com> > Subject: DELQA/DEQNA Cab Kits question > Sender: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Reply-To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > > I should know this, but can't remember, are the Cab Kits for the DEQNA and > DELQA interchangable? In one word, yes. Of course the little label on the panel won't change to reflect the card change on the other side. carl -- carl lowenstein marine physical lab u.c. san diego clowenstein(a)ucsd.edu

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PDP-11/93 Console Pinout and model rev.

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: pat(a)cart-server.purdueriots.com > Amazingly enough, you can do this with the *nix mkisofs program by > specifying the files to burn on its command line. The order that you > type them is the order that they get put into the ISO image IIRC. > Amazing how easy stuff becomes when you drop Windoze :) I _suppose_ you could port mkisofs to NT if you like... ;) Honestly, I wouldn't trust even the most stable version of windows (that would be NT 3.51...) to burn CDs for me. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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TTL computing

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

RE: 2114s Over the years i'd seen A higher than normal {2102 as comparison} failure rate. So I had the opportunity to do some checking on why. NOTE: the 2114 never had as good a failure rate as say 2102 or other 1k designs and the next generation of 16k static parts were substantially different with better failure rates. 2114s common failures: Delayed stress damage due to ESD. Common failures are address inputs. Missing bit, usually a failed output due to either ESD or excessive IO loading. bond failures (works when hot or cold) most of those are plastic cases and likely due to cleaners causing internal plastics to expand and lift a bond {usually during board production}. Other likely causes, heat! Ceramic devices seems and generally were more reliable. The CMOS versions 6114 (nec D444) were more relaible, though ESD induced stress failures were a major factor. In the early 80s it was not uncommon to visit a site and NOT see proper ESD protocal used when handeling MOS or CMOS devices. In most cases getting the production people using would often see a substantial drop in early failures{infant mortality}. Allison -----Original Message----- From: Tony Duell <ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Monday, April 15, 2002 10:24 PM Subject: Re: TTL computing >> >> That doesn't seem to me as a failure of the 2114, but, more likely, a failure >> in the update logic in the refresh memory circuit, possibly in a buffer enable > >I was about to point out that the 2114 is an SRAM and doesn't need >refeshing, but then I realised you were talking about the video refresh >circuitry. > >> or a shortage of hold timing on the data with respect to the write line. >> What, exactly, do you mean by "dud" character? If it appears exactly in the >> middle of a 2Kx8 memory array, it could, indeed be a stuck bit, and if it runs >> from the middle to the top/bottom that would be a candidate for a failed >> memory bit also. If, however, it moves horizontally, or moves outside the >> range residing in a single device, it's clearly something else. Have you >> tried moving the device around in the video memory array? It seems to me that > >Last time I had a problem with a 2114 in a video RAM array, it appeared >that the RAM had lost an address input. Writing a character to a location >in RAM would affect the top 4 bits (IIRC) of a character 2 locations >away (or something like that). It was clearly the RAM because swapping it >over with the one next to it caused the fault to move to the bottom 4 >bits. And a new RAM cured the problem. > >> there have to be at least two of them, and the "dud" character, whatever that >> is, should follow the device. >> >> 2114's are just about as plentiful as any device of the era could be. You >> should not have a problem replacing it. I don't know what the problems of >> sending hardware from the U.S. to the U.K. are, but I'm willing to send you a > >Very few AFAIK. I don't think I've ever had a parcel declared as >'obsolete computer parts' even inspected by customs. Of course this might >have changed now with the increased risk of terrorism (although we've had >terrorist activity for years over here :-(). > >One tip I was once told. Pack chips in transparent anti-static bags (and >put an anti-static warning label on them. Customs officers are not >totally clueless and won't open such a bag if they can clearly see what's >inside (and provided the contents are what they're supposed to be, like >'computer parts' (chips)). But if you pack the chips in an opaque bag, >they might open it (to ensure it doesn't contain drugs, say), and might >not know how to handle the chips without damaging them. > >-tony

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list server computer hardware will change

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

Would this improve the ~1 hour time it takes for me to see the messages that I post to this list? --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 Mac OS X 10.1.2 - Darwin Kernel Version 5.2: Fri Dec 7 21:39:35 PST 2001 Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash > ---------- > From: John Boffemmyer IV > > Jay, I've worked with Endymion's MailMan 3 - great setup and very > flexible. > You will really like it once you have it in place. Plus, you can even > customize all of the buttons/images, etc. This way, if you don't like that > > default layout, in a few minutes, you can have it look any way you want. > It > also allows for integration of images into posts, etc. for realistically > handling the common need to include an image or two of whatever is being > discussed (IE: RS6000 board specs/traces, C64 diagram, etc.). > - John Boffemmyer IV > > At 12:42 PM 4/12/02, you wrote: > >Greetings; > >...... > >In order to address the previously discussed issues of [offlist] tags and > >html rejection, as well as because of a lot of other nifty features, I'm > >also considering using mailman. It gives a wonderfull web interface for > >those that want to do their subscribes/unsubscribes & the like on their > own. > >Yes, it still supports email subscribtion requestions. Basically, it > gives > >me a lot of flexibility and options that majordomo doesn't. Not sure > about > >this all yet. > > > >Thanks! > > > >Jay West >

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