- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by mythtech＠mac.com

I know Jay said he isn't going to touch this until the new server settles down and the kinks are worked out... and that is fine... but I figured I would mention it as a mental note for when he can get the chance to look into things. BAD side effect to the subject preface... sorting by subject no longer works properly (at least not here, Claris Emailer 2.0v3, but I suspect others as well). Based on where the responding person's email client sticks the Re:, and based on if it has double prefaces, the subject will be sorted in different places. As a result, yesterday and today's posts have been listing all out of order. That makes it much harder to follow a thread, and near impossible to delete a topic in bulk that doesn't interest you. So just food for thought, and my vote to remove the subject preface entirely (at least the list server inserted one... manually inserting OT or WTB, or FS or whatever for certain postings isn't really a problem) Of course, this should really go private to Jay, but I can't find his addy right now (I am sure I will spot it right after sending this) -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

24 years, 3 months

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[CCTALK] In a bind-need ROMs for IBM laser printer

by RCini＠congressfinancial.com

Hello, all: I'm in a bit of a bind. I need a set of ROMs for the IBM 4019-E01 laser printer. I need to uninstall the PostScript option, which requires reinstalling 4 ROMs. Lexmark parts carries the U25/U26 ROMs but not the U27/U28 ROMs, so I would have to order a new controller board for lots of $$$. If someone has this printer and can copy these ROMs for me, I'd greatly appreciate it. Alternatively, I'd take a controller board from a non-working 4019. Please contact me off-list. Thanks. Rich ========================== Richard A. Cini, Jr. Congress Financial Corporation 1133 Avenue of the Americas 30th Floor New York, NY 10036 (212) 545-4402 (212) 840-6259 (facsimile)

24 years, 3 months

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[CCTALK] First SGI Workstations?

by aek＠spies.com

> I am wondering what the first SGI workstation was There should be an SGI hardware FAQ that I contributed some info to on the web that shows the early products. The first Unix products were based on the SUN 68000 design and ran a swapping Unix (1400 series) Later 2000 and 3000 series Irises ran with paging and 68010'a and 020's The 68000 based machines did not have a directly addressable frame buffer, and the original IRIS display didn't really do bitblts very well, making it great for visualization, but pretty poor as a windowing workstation. There were a few diskless products that could be netbooted and used as terminals in the 1000 series, but I'm not sure what software they ran (I suspect it was some variant of the Stanford V kernel)

24 years, 3 months

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[CCTALK] RE: scanners & circuit boards..

by Lee.Davison＠merlincommunications.com

> Glass is opaque to UV so you won't erase EPROMs either. EPROMs don't have UV-opaque glass windows, .. Scanners do though. Lee. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- This email is intended only for the above named addressee(s). The information contained in this email may contain information which is confidential. The views expressed in this email are personal to the sender and do not in any way reflect the views of the company. If you have received this email and you are not a named addressee please delete it from your system and contact Merlin Communications International IT Department on +44 20 7344 5888. ________________________________________________________________________ This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star Internet. The service is powered by MessageLabs. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit: http://www.star.net.uk ________________________________________________________________________

24 years, 3 months

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[CCTALK] Re: Keycap cleaning strategy

by dougq＠iglou.com

> They don't scratch. And no reasonable keyboard has the lettering put on in > such a way that it would rub off in a washing machine. If that were the > case, the legending would rub off in normal use. Nearly all decent keys > are two-part moulded. The best keyboards are... but some use silkscreening, and worse, all the laptops I've seen in the last few years except for perhaps the iBook abd the PowerBook (I'll check the Powerbook when I get home) use decals... and yes, they sure do rub off from normal use. Now, if lusers would wash the grease of their hands a few times each day, those decals would stay in place a little longer... -dq

24 years, 3 months

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[CCTALK] RE: transistor counts again"

by dougq＠iglou.com

> > I find that hard to believe. The 4004 was part of a chipset containing > > the 4001 (ROM), 4002 (RAM) and 4003 (I forget exactly what, some kind of > > I/O?). The 4001 and 4002 parts were used in lots of 4004 or 4040-based > > designs. > > And according to Ted Hoff, it was quite by accident that it ended up with > part number 4004. Coincidence and all. Most companies that manufacture stuff just choose a starting number for what they anticipate might be a series of things. Then they just add one. Some of you might remeber a YES album from the 80s titled '90125'... the title wasn't known in advance, as they'd decided the title would simply be the same as the Atlantic Records serial number that would end up being assigned to that album once it was finally scheduled for manufacture. Additionally, that decision came at a time when the band wasn't called YES< but CINEMA, but that's veering way OT. Anyway, eventually, either marketing comes in with their own ideas about numbers, or the lawyers do: The Intel iAPX286 microprocessor had the part number 80286, by which it was more colloquially known. The Intel iAPX386, a chip for which I have the "confidential" pre- liminary specifications, would have had the part number 80386. But in a successful effort to wiggle out of the technology- swapping agreement they had with AMD, they decided not to produce the iAPX386. Instead, they produced the 80386, which also "coincidently" had the part number 80386. FWIW, the iAPX386 specification did not include the virtual 8086 mode that was present in the 80386. I always wonder what amazing things might have been put on that silicon instead of V8086 mode. Yes, V8086 mode is very useful for PeeCees, but of little use for modern, non-DOS-related operating systems. -dq

24 years, 3 months

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[CCTALK] Test post and DEC Unix question

by erd_6502＠yahoo.com

--- Rick Murphy <rmurphy(a)itm-inst.com> wrote: > At 03:49 PM 5/14/02 -0700, Ethan Dicks wrote: > > >I'm trying to break into (my own) DEC Alpha running Digital Unix V3.2... > Use: > >>> b -flags 0,1 dkc0 Why the 0? I did this (Thanks, Doc!) >>> b dkc0 -flags 1 ... and I got in just fine. > Once you're in single-user mode, "mount -r /" to remount the root... Right. I know what to do once I'm in. The only thing that threw me about Digital Unix vs other stuff I've used is that if you _don't_ use vipw to edit the passwd file, you have to manually run mkpasswd to update the hashed password file (I'm used to a shadow file, or, for older stuff, _just_ the /etc/passwd file and nothing else). > ...mount -a to get everything mounted... In my experience, if you intend to go from single-user mode to multi-user (i.e., you don't reboot from single-user), it's safest to not leave anything mounted that isn't mounted when you got your prompt. I'm not saying this is the case for Digital Unix, but for older BSDish stuff I used in the past, if you, say, mounted /usr/home while in single user mode, then ^D to exit your shell and allow the system to start up, but haven't unmounted /usr/home first, the startup scripts complain about a busy mount point or some other complaint. I always leave the system the way I found it, which is / mounted read-only, everything else unmounted. What you suggest might work these days, but I cut my teeth on 4.0BSD and Ultrix 1.1. This is just my first experience with Digital Unix on an Alpha. Still curious about the "0" in your sample line, though. Thanks for the tip, -ethan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com

24 years, 3 months

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[CCTALK] Sol computer emulator, Solace, updated to version 3.1

by frustum＠pacbell.net

I've just updated my Sol-20 web site with the latest version of my emulator for the Sol, Solace. Solace runs only under win32 OS's (or OS's that can emulate a win32 system, such as Wine under Linux or SoftPC on the Mac). Here's a link to the Sol Archive: http://www.thebattles.net/sol20/sol.html Follow the links to get to the emulator, which is now at version 3.1. Source code is included. What's new since 3.1? + emulation of sound for the P.T. Music System software + sound effects. Just as irritating as a real Sol. Idea from Bob Stek. + support for source-level assembly language debugging in the built-in debugger. + in the debugger, there is now a splitter bar that lets you decide how much of the screen is used for disassembly vs command history. + a few bug fixes, including suppressing the annoying bell sound every time a command was entered into the debugger. ----- Jim Battle == frustum(a)pacbell.net

24 years, 3 months

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[CCTALK] HD repair techniques?

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Tothwolf [mailto:tothwolf@concentric.net] > The drives are both a Conner CFS1275A, 1.2GB, 3 platters, 6 > surfaces. I'm > starting to suspect the top surface of the upper platter is the servo > surface, due to the behavior of the drive when it failed. Can anyone > confirm if this is the case, or if these type of drive even > use a servo I don't know much about the drive, but I think I may have another spare floating around (dead, of course, but it's been years, and I can't tell you the mode of failure). Let me know if you need more parts, and I'll check. > surface? The 1275A doesn't quite yet meet the 10 year rule, > but with all > the experts here, I figure someone is bound to know more about these > drives then I currently do. I think I took the brunt of the assault with my car post, don't worry ;) Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

24 years, 3 months

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[CCTALK] List confusion? (was TRS-80 Model 1)

by acme_ent＠bellsouth.net

> From: Sellam Ismail <foo(a)siconic.com> > Err, you're right. This new list is too confusing. Hmm, the idea as I understood it was pretty simple. cctalk gets everything, cctech has the OTs filtered out. Right? Glen 0/0

24 years, 3 months

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[CCTALK] Re: Keycap cleaning strategy

by fmc＠reanimators.org

"Fred Cisin (XenoSoft)" <cisin(a)xenosoft.com> wrote: > When cleaning keycaps on real IBM PC keyboards (5150), all of the keys > EXCEPT the space bar pop off easily. But if you remove the space bar, > than reassembly of the space bar is more work than the combined total of > the other keys. The OmniKey's space bar is a bit more difficult to take off and reattach too. So when reassembling, do the big keys with supporting widgetry first. You may find it helps to do this before putting the keyboard back in its shell too, especially for the space bar which is right up against the shell. -Frank McConnell

24 years, 3 months

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[CCTALK] [CCTECH] Keycap cleaning strategy

by lists＠subatomix.com

I'm going to clean a Sun 3 keyboard today. Its keycaps are filthy. The strategy I've used in the past for the keycaps is: * Goto the kitchen. There is a double sink there. * Fill one sink with hot, soapy water and the other will cold, non-soapy water. * Dump the keycaps into the hot sink and let them soak for a while. * Slosh the keycaps around a bit. * Transfer the keycaps to the cold water. If necessary, wipe grime from each one as it is transferred. * Arrange the keycaps for drying. Dry them with a hair dryer. * Test for dryness by tapping a table with a keycap. If any water drops appear on the table, repeat the previous step. I have a dishwasher, but I don't trust it. -- Jeffrey Sharp The email address lists(a)subatomix.com is for mailing list traffic. Please send off-list mail to roach jay ess ess at wasp subatomix beetle dot com. You may need to remove some bugs first. _______________________________________________ cctech mailing list cctech(a)classiccmp.org http://www.classiccmp.org/mailman/listinfo/cctech

24 years, 3 months

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[CCTALK] transistor counts again

by bfranchuk＠jetnet.ab.ca

Looking for information on 16x4 ram (74F219), I came across the the discussion of how many transistors are in a 6502. Did anybody ever get a answer to that? A simple 16 bit cpu like the the toy/2 runs at about 3300 transitors. A a simple stack machine about 3500???. Does anybody have the transistor count for the PDP-8 chip 6100? or the forgotton PACE-16 cpu by national. The SCAMP and PACE chips don't seem to have a web page up anywhere on the web! -- Ben Franchuk - Dawn * 12/24 bit cpu * www.jetnet.ab.ca/users/bfranchuk/index.html

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[CCTALK] scanners & circuit boards...

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

Hi Two factors here. One is that the scanner doesn't have a lot of the right wave length light. Two is that even a piece of paper will absorb +99% of any of the UV that would erase it. As long as there is something over the windows ( almost anything ), I wouldn't worry. When I was at Intel, we placed some 1702A's in direct sun light for several weeks without data loss. A few seconds in a scanner would most likely have little effect. If you are concerned, put some black electrical tape over any windows. If you don't believe that will block the light try doing it on a separate EPROM and put it under an eraser light ( you'll see what I mean when I say that even a piece of paper is quite effective, even in a strong UV light ). >From: "Richard Erlacher" <edick(a)idcomm.com> > >So long as you cover the windows of any UV-eraseable parts with somethng truly >opaque, e.g. a bit of aluminum foil under some cellophane tape,I think you'll >be OK, Jeff. > >Dick > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Jeff Hellige" <jhellige(a)earthlink.net> >To: <cctech(a)classiccmp.org> >Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 12:09 PM >Subject: [CCTALK] [CCTECH] scanners & circuit boards... > > >> What's everyone's thoughts on placing circuit boards directly >> on the bed of a scanner for imaging? Any possibility of damage to >> the board from the light or other parts of the scanner? I've done it >> before with good results but not with anything truly unique. >> >> Jeff >> -- >> Home of the TRS-80 Model 2000 FAQ File >> http://www.cchaven.com >> http://www.geocities.com/siliconvalley/lakes/6757 >> _______________________________________________ >> cctech mailing list >> cctech(a)classiccmp.org >> http://www.classiccmp.org/mailman/listinfo/cctech >> _______________________________________________ >> cctalk mailing list >> cctalk(a)classiccmp.org >> http://www.classiccmp.org/mailman/listinfo/cctalk >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >cctalk mailing list >cctalk(a)classiccmp.org >http://www.classiccmp.org/mailman/listinfo/cctalk >

24 years, 3 months

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[CCTALK] [CCTECH] Orlando junkfest, anybody want a Sony MO drive?

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

I have a Sony SMO_D501 MO drive with the separate C501 controller card all mounted in a case with PS. Does anyone that's coming to the junkfest want it? If I don't hear from a taker by morning it's going in the trash. Joe _______________________________________________ cctech mailing list cctech(a)classiccmp.org http://www.classiccmp.org/mailman/listinfo/cctech

24 years, 3 months

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[CCTALK] Re: Subject Lines

by fmc＠reanimators.org

"Zane H. Healy" <healyzh(a)aracnet.com> wrote: > Can the [CCTALK] & [CCTECH] be shortened to something that does't take up > most of the the viewable subject line? I read most CLASSICCMP mail via Yesterday I sent Jay e-mail about subject tags and footers, and he wrote back that he'd look at them when he got a chance. -Frank McConnell

24 years, 3 months

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[CCTALK] HD repair techniques?

by tothwolf＠concentric.net

Well, today I lost the first drive in years due to a head crash. The data it contained wasn't extremely important, since I can reconstruct it given time, but sadly, I didn't have a listing of the drive's contents. After getting the air reasonable clean in a makeshift clean-room, I took a look at the platters, and found the topmost surface of the upper platter is the one that took damage. (If I decide to do any serious work on the drive, I'll have to build a clean-box...) I'd like to get the drive to a state where I can at least get a directory listing, but the data it contained isn't worth what it would cost to send it off for 'professional' recovery, especially since those shops tend to charge a small fortune for Linux e2fs formatted drives. I have another drive that is identical to the one that failed, so I have donor parts to repair it with. The second drive has a bad head, but it affects one of the lower platters. I've never had to replace a head before, so I'm looking for advice, or even a step by step guide to replacing it. The drives are both a Conner CFS1275A, 1.2GB, 3 platters, 6 surfaces. I'm starting to suspect the top surface of the upper platter is the servo surface, due to the behavior of the drive when it failed. Can anyone confirm if this is the case, or if these type of drive even use a servo surface? The 1275A doesn't quite yet meet the 10 year rule, but with all the experts here, I figure someone is bound to know more about these drives then I currently do. -Toth

24 years, 3 months

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[CCTALK] RE: [CCTECH] TRS-80 Model 1

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

> From: Sellam Ismail > > ... > > Note: As a benefit to those here on the cctech side of the list who value > topical messages, I am only sending these many referrals I receive every > month to cctech. > ...... > > -- > Ummm, aren't all cctech messages supposed to automatically get sent to cctalk also? If so, then that 'benefit' wouldn't exactly work they way you intend, Sellam... -- --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 Mac OS X 10.1 - Darwin Kernel Version 5 Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash _______________________________________________ cctech mailing list cctech(a)classiccmp.org http://www.classiccmp.org/mailman/listinfo/cctech

24 years, 3 months

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[CCTALK] Subject Lines

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

> > Can the [CCTALK] & [CCTECH] be shortened to something that does't > > take up most of the the viewable subject line? > > I'd like to vote to get rid of them altogether. I'm quite capable of > filtering list mail into folders without them. I would agree. On my Mac I had filters setup to deal with CLASSICCMP, and under 'elm', the long subject lines are a nightmare. Zane

24 years, 3 months

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[CCTALK] [larrys@lexis-nexis.com: [rescue] Excellent news]

by mrbill＠mrbill.net

FYI, about ftp.digital.com... ----- Forwarded message from Larry Snyder <larrys(a)lexis-nexis.com> ----- From: Larry Snyder <larrys(a)lexis-nexis.com> To: rescue(a)sunhelp.org Subject: [rescue] Excellent news Reply-To: rescue(a)sunhelp.org Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 17:44:47 -0400 (EDT) I lifted this shamelessly from another list.... -ls- > From: Paul Vixie > Subject: Re: Off-Topic: Goodbye to ftp.digital.com? > > I have just communicated with the operators of gatekeeper.dec.com (with > whom ftp.isc.org shares a cage at PAIX) and was told two things. > > 1. HP plans to fully support gatekeeper (now that the merger is done), > and has approved a 1-Terabyte expansion to its disk storage subsystem; > > 2. ftp.digital.com is no longer the same computer as gatekeeper.dec.com, > it's a machine on the east coast somewhere. > > I've asked whether there's any problems looming for ftp.digital.com, and > I'll report back here if I hear anything. but gatekeeper.dec.com (which > I had a hand in creating back during my 1998-1993 stint at dec.com) is > absolutely safe from harm. _______________________________________________ rescue list - http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Bill Bradford mrbill(a)mrbill.net Austin, TX

24 years, 3 months

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[CCTALK] Re: [CCTECH] test

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

Dammed quite list! I haven't gotten anything from it except the test messages. Joe At 10:11 AM 5/15/02 -0400, Jeff wrote: >> Steve wrote: I sent a test yesterday but, it was refused. Said I wasn't on the >>list. Wonder if this one will go through? > > Came through fine > > _______________________________________________ cctech mailing list cctech(a)classiccmp.org http://www.classiccmp.org/mailman/listinfo/cctech

24 years, 3 months

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[CCTALK] Re: [CCTECH] Keycap cleaning strategy

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On May 15, 14:11, <pdp11(a)bellsouth.net> wrote: > > > I'm going to clean a Sun 3 keyboard today. Its keycaps are filthy. The > > strategy I've used in the past for the keycaps is: [...] > > I have a dishwasher, but I don't trust it. > > I've had pretty good luck cleaning the caps on Sun keyboards without removing them. By using a good quality commercial spray cleaner sprayed on a cloth, you can get them looking almost like new. If they were really bad, I could see taking them off and soaking them. > > The dishwasher would be a bad idea. You could easily end up with a bunch of little bits of melted plastic and a broken dishwasher. I've done it with a bowl of warm water and the sort of low-foam detergent used for cleaning floors, then a rinse. I've also done it with the sort of spray cleaner used for kitchen worktops. Either way, many of the caps usually need some rubbing with a cloth or fingers -- if they're dirty enough to need cleaned, they need some help. I often add a little water-based furniture polish at the end to help give them a nice sheen I wouldn't use a dishwasher. The water temperature isn't a problem, but the caps are just too small and light to stay where you put them, and if one falls beside the heating element, it will be destroyed. If I'm *really* lazy, I tie them up in a pillowcase and put them in the (clothes) washing machine, and follow up with the tumble drier. No.1 tip: make a note of the layout before you take the keycaps off. It all looks very logical until you actually try to put *every one* of the symbol keys back in the right place. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

24 years, 3 months

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"[CCTALK] CPU temperature monitoring

by dougq＠iglou.com

> I'm sure that most of you are aware that many of the newer > Intel and clone processors are real heat generators and that > it's critical to keep them with specified temperature limits. > I downloaded and installed a CPU and motherboard temperture > monitoring program called MotherBoard Monitor. My question > is how accurate are these types of programs? On CPU intensive > task my CPU frequently pegs out the temperature gauge in the > MBM but the BIOS temperature monitoring never shows any > indication of overheating. There is a calibration procedure you can go through, it's all in the documentation... -dq

24 years, 3 months

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[CCTALK] CPU temperature monitoring

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

I'm sure that most of you are aware that many of the newer Intel and clone processors are real heat generators and that it's critical to keep them with specified temperature limits. I downloaded and installed a CPU and motherboard temperture monitoring program called MotherBoard Monitor. My question is how accurate are these types of programs? On CPU intensive task my CPU frequently pegs out the temperature gauge in the MBM but the BIOS temperature monitoring never shows any indication of overheating. Joe

24 years, 3 months

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[CCTALK] delays in posting

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

Most people aren't seeing delays in postings appearing on the list, but some are... here's why... You have to put from the exact email address that you are subscribed with. If you mail server is munging that for some reason, the posts are considered to be from non-subscribers and I have to manually approve them, hence the delay. More to the point, I'm getting a few list members posts for moderation every time, because they apparently have a problem with the BCC or CC fields. I am not sure what's going on with that, but it only affects certain list members. Until I get some time (later today or tomorrow perhaps) to dig into exactly why that happens, those users posts will be slow because I have to approve them. I do check for posts needing approval VERY frequently during the day and night, but with the current workload still working on the list setup, this isn't probably quite as frequent as those affected list members might like. I'm trying! Jay West

24 years, 3 months

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[CCTALK] [CCTECH] test not to [CCTALK]

by dougq＠iglou.com

Your test received here on CCTALK a-ok, intended or not... -dq

24 years, 3 months

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[CCTALK] Re: scanners & circuit boards...

by dougq＠iglou.com

> What's everyone's thoughts on placing circuit boards directly > on the bed of a scanner for imaging? Any possibility of damage to > the board from the light or other parts of the scanner? I've done it > before with good results but not with anything truly unique. I've only done it once, with an unpopulated 8051 controller board I'd bought a few of from some guy's widow... I tried to buy the rights, but she wanted too much. I like the controller and when I run out (two more left, I think), I'll re-do the art. Not for commercial use, of course, and I may send the widow some bucks anyhow... -dq

24 years, 3 months

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[CCTALK] RE: [CCTECH] test not to [CCTALK]

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

Jay, or some other list admin here... Is the delay, of messages from cctech getting posted to cctalk, intentional? Okay, after that downpour of cross-posts... the delay is shorter. I assume that's due to server processing? Just curious... -- --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 Mac OS X 10.1 - Darwin Kernel Version 5 Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash _______________________________________________ cctech mailing list cctech(a)classiccmp.org http://www.classiccmp.org/mailman/listinfo/cctech

24 years, 3 months

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[CCTALK] [OT] Emabrgoed Domains

by mtapley＠swri.edu

</MODE=SMART_ASS> >From: Ethan Dicks <erd_6502(a)yahoo.com> ^^^^^^^^^ >I understand the sentiment, but that hoses me. I work for one of those >guys (I'm not admitting which one here - company policy)... Ummm.... </MODE=NORMAL> Glad swri.edu wasn't on the embargoed list. I couldn't understand the punch through instructions. Is it easy to embargo countries vs. domains? - Mark

24 years, 3 months

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[CCTALK] Re: [CCTECH] scanners & circuit boards...

by pdp11＠bellsouth.net

> What's everyone's thoughts on placing circuit boards directly > on the bed of a scanner for imaging? Any possibility of damage to > the board from the light or other parts of the scanner? I've done it > before with good results but not with anything truly unique. I've done it many times with great results. The only component I can think of that may be an issue are old UV erasable EPROMS. I would imagine that the scanner lamp may put out enough UV light to cause a problem. _______________________________________________ cctech mailing list cctech(a)classiccmp.org http://www.classiccmp.org/mailman/listinfo/cctech

24 years, 3 months

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[CCTALK] [OT] Emabrgoed Domains

by dougq＠iglou.com

Sorry about this, but the volume of spam has gotten intolerable, and the domains that are hosting it have been embargoed; anything from the domains yahoo.com hotmail.com msn.com aol.com will be deleted with extreme prejudice. If you happen to be one of those very few decent people who are using one of these ISPs (yes I'm pissed), and you want to contact me, you'll have to punch through the filter. To do that, take the two-word phrase I used in the sentence above, misspell the second word using the commonly-used shorter mispelling, concatenate it with the violence word that precedes it, capitalize, and enclose the result in square brackets. Someday, somebody will make procmail easy to use, and this won't be necessary. Regards, -doug q

24 years, 3 months

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[CCTALK] transistor counts again

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

>From: "Fred Cisin (XenoSoft)" <cisin(a)xenosoft.com> > >> > The 4004 was once rumored to have been named that because it had the >> > equivalent of 4004 transistors. >> > THAT is what probably gave rise to the 68000 silliness. >> > It's MUCH more impressive what was done with only 486! > >On Wed, 15 May 2002, Andreas Freiherr wrote: >> Shoudn't that read "80486"? >only if we stick with intel! > >That's what was so impressive about the Cyrix 486SLC, was that it DIDN'T >have the other 80,000! 'course it always seemed more like a fast 80386 to >me. >And the K6 does a really nice job with 6144! >and how about the Z80, V20, etc.? > Hi What are you guys talking about. The K6 has millions of transistors, as does the 486. Dwight

24 years, 3 months

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[CCTALK] Test post and DEC Unix question

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

> From: Dan Kolb > > On Wednesday 15 May 2002 18:48 pm, David Woyciesjes wrote: > > > ..an example there is... > > # mount -u / > > ... when booted into single user. > > Thanks! That did the trick. > > Dan > -- > No problem. Now, if I can only get paid for doing this e-mail computer support as well as here ***sigh*** ;) -- --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 Mac OS X 10.1 - Darwin Kernel Version 5 Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash

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[CCTALK] DEC Unix (Break-in) DIgital Dec3000/500 Flamingo

by truthanl＠oclc.org

Ethan Dicks wrote: > > >I'm trying to break into (my own) DEC Alpha running Digital Unix V3.2... COINCIDENTLY: I was trying to break into a DEC 3000/500 system I inherited >from a launched development project here at OCLC. Rick Murphy's post also got me into single user mode on my system, But unlike you I haven't a Clue on how to edit the password files now that I am In. I had almost sent off for NetBSD for the Flamingo, but reading thier list I could not have used the console or Mouse that is on this system. My system has Digital Unix V4.0D (rev 878) May 5 1998 During the Boot the system changes Fonts and goes to 1280X1024 Mode My system has 224 MBytes of Ram 2 RZ25 drives, one RZ26 drive, one RRD42 cd drive and a TLZ06 tape transport. It also has the DEC lance ethernet installed. So how do I edit the root password from here? This is my first foray into unix admin.... Sincerely Larry Truthan

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[CCTALK] DEC Unix (Break-in) DIgital Dec3000/500 Flamingo

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

> From: Truthan,Larry > > Ethan Dicks wrote: > > > > >I'm trying to break into (my own) DEC Alpha running Digital Unix > V3.2... > > > COINCIDENTLY: I was trying to break into a DEC 3000/500 system I > inherited > from a launched development project here at OCLC. > > Rick Murphy's post also got me into single user mode on my system, But > unlike you I haven't a Clue on how to edit the password files now that I > am > In. > > I had almost sent off for NetBSD for the Flamingo, but reading thier > list > I could not have used the console or Mouse that is on this system. > > My system has Digital Unix V4.0D (rev 878) May 5 1998 > > During the Boot the system changes Fonts and goes to 1280X1024 Mode > > My system has 224 MBytes of Ram 2 RZ25 drives, one RZ26 drive, one RRD42 > cd drive and a TLZ06 tape transport. It also has the DEC lance ethernet > installed. > > > So how do I edit the root password from here? This is my first foray > into > unix admin.... > # passwd ...is the command. Look into vipw also... But be careful in that one... BTW, you can get X running on a NetBSD loaded DEC3000. If you search through the mail archives for port-Alpha/netBSD, you should find some info on how to do it... -- --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 Mac OS X 10.1 - Darwin Kernel Version 5 Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash

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[CCTALK] Test post and DEC Unix question

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

> ---------- > From: Dan Kolb > Reply To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 1:32 PM > To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: [CCTALK] Test post and DEC Unix question > > On Wednesday 15 May 2002 17:28 pm, Ethan Dicks wrote: > > --- Rick Murphy <rmurphy(a)itm-inst.com> wrote: > > ^^^^^ Hmm....I seem to have not got Rick's message for some reason. > > > > At 03:49 PM 5/14/02 -0700, Ethan Dicks wrote: > > > >I'm trying to break into (my own) DEC Alpha running Digital Unix > > > > V3.2... > > I'm trying to do the same on OSF1/Digital Unix v4.0 > > > > Once you're in single-user mode, "mount -r /" to remount the root... > > This doesn't want to work for me - keeps saying 'device busy'. I can't get > > a man page for 'mount' up, because the root fs (and therefore /tmp) is > read-only, and I don't have another Digital Unix 4.0 box to get a man > page up on :-) Could anyone kindly point me towards the right options for > remounting a mounted filesystem read-write? > > -- > According to man mount(8) on my D/UX 3.2C box... -u Remount a file system.... -r read only -w read/write, which is equal to -o rw ..an example there is... # mount -u / ... when booted into single user. -- --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 Mac OS X 10.1 - Darwin Kernel Version 5 Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash

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[CCTALK] Re: [CCTECH] Keycap cleaning strategy

by pdp11＠bellsouth.net

> I'm going to clean a Sun 3 keyboard today. Its keycaps are filthy. The > strategy I've used in the past for the keycaps is: > > * Goto the kitchen. There is a double sink there. > * Fill one sink with hot, soapy water and the other will cold, non-soapy > water. > * Dump the keycaps into the hot sink and let them soak for a while. > * Slosh the keycaps around a bit. > * Transfer the keycaps to the cold water. If necessary, wipe grime from each > one as it is transferred. > * Arrange the keycaps for drying. Dry them with a hair dryer. > * Test for dryness by tapping a table with a keycap. If any water drops > appear on the table, repeat the previous step. > > I have a dishwasher, but I don't trust it. I've had pretty good luck cleaning the caps on Sun keyboards without removing them. By using a good quality commercial spray cleaner sprayed on a cloth, you can get them looking almost like new. If they were really bad, I could see taking them off and soaking them. The dishwasher would be a bad idea. You could easily end up with a bunch of little bits of melted plastic and a broken dishwasher. _______________________________________________ cctech mailing list cctech(a)classiccmp.org http://www.classiccmp.org/mailman/listinfo/cctech

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Has the list gone dead?

by foo＠siconic.com

Anyone out there? Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *

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[CCTALK] Re: [CCTECH] TRS-80 Model 1

by Innfogra＠aol.com

In a message dated 5/15/02 10:22:27 AM Pacific Daylight Time, foo(a)siconic.com writes: > As a benefit to those here on the cctech side of the list who value > topical messages, I am only sending these many referrals I receive every > month to cctech. > Thanks Sellam. This is an interesting idea. If you get this message then CCTECH is working for you. It is for me. Paxton Astoria, OR

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[CCTALK] [CCTECH] TRS-80 Model 1

by foo＠siconic.com

Here's some lady with a TRS-80 Model 1. She wants money for it. $50-$75 would be reasonable. Reply-to: <bob-barb(a)humboldt1.com> Note: As a benefit to those here on the cctech side of the list who value topical messages, I am only sending these many referrals I receive every month to cctech. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 18:35:31 -0700 From: ROBERT HEIMANSON <bob-barb(a)humboldt1.com> To: vcf(a)vintage.org RADIO SHACK TRS-80 MODEL I COMPUTER - Complete with Keyboard, Monitor, Cassette Drive Recorder, Printer, Books, Original Manuals, and Lots of Software. A REAL CLASSIC VINTAGE COMPUTER FOR THE COLLECTOR. Make an offer, plus UPS Shipping. E-mail Barbara at bob-barb(a)humboldt1.com. Call (707) 445-2279, evenings or Sundays Pacific Time. Write to: Barbara Heimanson, 4127 Walnut Drive, Eureka, California 95503. Barbara Heimanson -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com * _______________________________________________ cctech mailing list cctech(a)classiccmp.org http://www.classiccmp.org/mailman/listinfo/cctech

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[CCTALK] [CCTECH] Working yet?

by foo＠siconic.com

Is cctech passing messages yet? All I see are messages from cctalk. A lot of them are messages that are on topic and should be going to cctech. I'm waiting to unsubscribe to cctalk until I know cctech is working. Who's doing the moderation on cctech? Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com * _______________________________________________ cctech mailing list cctech(a)classiccmp.org http://www.classiccmp.org/mailman/listinfo/cctech

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[CCTALK] Who's going to Dayton? Take two

by erd_6502＠yahoo.com

OK... something about the recent changes to the list adminstration process caused my reply to be bounced, but we'll try a fresh message... A couple of list members piped up about going to the Hamvention. I will be there on Friday only, and not for the entire day (previous commitment elsewhere). If anyone has a mind to get together, I will have a 2m radio and a cell phone. Write me directly for numbers. -ethan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com

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[CCTALK] SPD/DOS ?

by aek＠spies.com

I picked up a box of 8" hard sectored floppies on my trip, and was trying to identify the system they came from. There is a system floppy that has the following paper directory included. Does anyone know what system this is for? DIRECTORY LISTING DSN=DISKJW S T ..NAME.. FT IF NT ...............L A B E L ---------------- 0 EDIT 03 05 02 SPD/DOS EDIT V3.17 74-10-14-2030 0 DCOPY 05 05 01 SPD/DOS DCOPY V3.09 74-10-14-1210 0 ERASE 06 05 01 SPD/DOS ERASE V3.02 74-10-10-0845 0 PACK 07 05 01 SPD/DOS PACK V3.05 74-10-08-0250 ? 0 FORMAT 08 05 02 SPD/DOS FORMAT V3.10 74-10-08-0140 0 ZAP 10 05 02 SPD/DOS ZAP V2.12 74-10-15-0110

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[CCTALK] transistor counts again

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) [mailto:cisin@xenosoft.com] > Yeah. > The 4004 was once rumored to have been named that because it had the > equivalent of 4004 transistors. > THAT is what probably gave rise to the 68000 silliness. > It's MUCH more impressive what was done with only 486! Wouldn't that be 80486? Motorola kept it much smaller for a while, and then jumped to 88000 ;) Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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[CCTALK] Commodore 1541 Drive

by gehrich＠tampabay.rr.com

At 09:45 AM 5/15/02 -0500, you wrote: >I'm trying to get one I have four of them on consignment on my web site. Let me know if interested and I will let you know off list what I need to get for one or more. Also they are heavy to ship (about $9 each) Gene http://www.voicenet.com/~generic

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[CCTALK] cctalk test

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

test cctalk

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[CCTALK] [OT] Emabrgoed Domains

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

> From: Douglas H. Quebbeman > > ....If you happen to be one of those very few decent people who > are using one of these ISPs (yes I'm pissed), and you want > to contact me, you'll have to punch through the filter. > > To do that, take the two-word phrase I used in the sentence > above, misspell the second word using the commonly-used shorter > mispelling, concatenate it with the violence word that precedes > it, capitalize, and enclose the result in square brackets. > Geez, you must be pissed! That's a hell of some hoops to jump through! -- --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 Mac OS X 10.1 - Darwin Kernel Version 5 Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash

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[CCTALK] FullPageDisplay (and landfill)[was RE: Alphaserver for trade]

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

BTW, does anybody know if Radius sold their Mac Full Page Display under any other names? I think I have one, but I don't recall the brand at the moment.. > From: Chris > > > Aww, man! how come the good stuff is always on the other side of the > >country? > > Or Texas... what is it with Texas... why do you have all the old > computers? Is NJ using other states for landfill again?? > > -chris > Chris, don't you know that NJ (the Landfill state) isn't supposed to get the good trash, just the smelly stuff... -- --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 Mac OS X 10.1 - Darwin Kernel Version 5 Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash

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[CCTALK] Commodore 1541 Drive

by bob_lafleur＠technologist.com

> Also, is there any chance of making a 1541 read an Apple ][ disk? I know they both use GCR encodings for their disks, and it'd be really useful if I could read disks on my PC. I don't believe there is a way to make a 1541 read Apple ][ disks. I don't recall any programs to do this from the "old days" anyway, and if there had been a program, I'm sure I would have heard about it as I knew lots of people who had both machines, and it would have been somewhat desirable to move data between the two. - Bob

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[CCTALK] FW: Off-Topic: Goodbye to ftp.digital.com?

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

> From: Paul Vixie > Subject: Re: Off-Topic: Goodbye to ftp.digital.com? > > i have just communicated with the operators of gatekeeper.dec.com (with > whom ftp.isc.org shares a cage at PAIX) and was told two things. > > 1. HP plans to fully support gatekeeper (now that the merger is done), > and has approved a 1-Terabyte expansion to its disk storage subsystem; > > 2. ftp.digital.com is no longer the same computer as gatekeeper.dec.com, > it's a machine on the east coast somewhere. > > i've asked whether there's any problems looming for ftp.digital.com, and > i'll report back here if i hear anything. but gatekeeper.dec.com (which > i had a hand in creating back during my 1998-1993 stint at dec.com) is > absolutely safe from harm. > > > -- --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 Mac OS X 10.1 - Darwin Kernel Version 5 Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash

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[CCTALK] test posting....

by RMeenaks＠OLF.COM

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Bidding Against NASA

by dquebbeman＠acm.org

Good Morning, I think this may have come up some weeks back... But among 8-inch floppy drives and other unspecified items, NASA is buying up all the 8086 microprocessors they can lay their hands on, specifically, to keep the Space Shuttle flying. Not the more common 8088, of course, but its 16-bit big brother. Although as government agencies go, NASA doesn't have deep pockets, it certainly has deeper ones than I do. I should count my recent acquisition of the IBM 8 inch external floppy drive as a soon-to-be-rare occurance. Anyone else here ticked of that not only are they trying to keep that questionable pig flying, but they are doing it by reducing further the quantity of collectable stuff? Screw the boost in value... -dq -Douglas Hurst Quebbeman (DougQ at ixnayamspayIgLou.com) [Call me "Doug"] Surgically excise the pig-latin from my e-mail address in order to reply "The large print giveth, and the small print taketh away." -Tom Waits

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[CCTALK] Alphaserver for trade

by Huw.Davies＠kerberos.davies.net.au

At 05:08 PM 14/05/2002 -0400, David Woyciesjes wrote: > > From: elmo(a)mminternet.com > > > > Greetings. > > > > Today I rescued what appears to be an Alphaserver 4100 with 4 processors. > > It has also a CD, 10/100 ethernet card, and floppy. > > > > It is in an eagle-sized rack mount chassis. > > > > I will trade for Pentium II+ gear, large HD's, high resolution monitors, > > or > > laptop. > > > > Located in Santa Monica. You pickup. Weighs 80 pounds. > > > > Those interested, please contact me directly. > > > Aww, man! how come the good stuff is always on the other side of the >country? Other side of the country - this is the other side of the world to me! This also acts as my test post to the new list. Huw Davies | e-mail: Huw.Davies(a)kerberos.davies.net.au | "If God had wanted soccer played in the | air, the sky would be painted green"

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[CCTALK] Altos 580 disks

by pat＠purdueriots.com

I have a set of images of all of my Altos 580 'software' and boot/OS disks up on my web site http://purdueriots.com/altos580/ . Be gentile, it's just a DSL line. -- Pat

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[CCTALK] Seeking TS1500 parts

by acme_ent＠bellsouth.net

I needed to test the new listserv, anyway . . . I've got a very healthy Timex Sinclair 1500 with rotten keyboard ribbons. Does any one have a dead TS1500 for sale or trade, or the top half of the enclosure, with working keyboard and intact ribbons? Please reply off-list. Glen 0/0

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[CCTALK] Car -- not exactly on topic

by csmith＠amdocs.com

Hi guys, I wanted to write an email to the classiccmp list a few days ago asking for some advice on this, but I didn't think it would be very healthy for me given all of the complaining, and just plain nastiness people were showing towards anything even remotely not on topic. As it is, I hope that since this is going to the new list, I won't get too much animosity for asking. Please note that it's my respect for the opinions of the group as a whole that actually prompts me to ask here. So here it is: I know that several of us here have somewhat strange cars, and am looking for some parts, and just general advice to go with a 1989 Jaguar XJ6 Vanden Plas. Arguably on topic because it's got very prominent computers, which are more than 10 years old ;) -- but I don't really see many problems with the computer part. Rather, I'm looking for trim, a glove box latch, door handles, that kind of thing. If anyone knows where to get that kind of part, or what else I should check for the sake of the car's health, please email me. I could also use advice on removing small rust spots, cleaning the carpeting, protecting the leather, and anything else that goes with having a car. This will be my first car in quite some time. Thanks, Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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[CCTALK] Alphaserver for trade

by john_boffemmyer_iv＠boff-net.dhs.org

Cuz we are good and good will always lose to evil for good is dumb, right Dave? -John At 05:08 PM 5/14/02, you wrote: > > From: elmo(a)mminternet.com > > > > Greetings. > > > > Today I rescued what appears to be an Alphaserver 4100 with 4 processors. > > It has also a CD, 10/100 ethernet card, and floppy. > > > > It is in an eagle-sized rack mount chassis. > > > > I will trade for Pentium II+ gear, large HD's, high resolution monitors, > > or > > laptop. > > > > Located in Santa Monica. You pickup. Weighs 80 pounds. > > > > Those interested, please contact me directly. > > > Aww, man! how come the good stuff is always on the other side of the >country? > >-- >--- David A Woyciesjes >--- C & IS Support Specialist >--- Yale University Press >--- (203) 432-0953 >--- ICQ # - 905818 >Mac OS X 10.1 - Darwin Kernel Version 5 >Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash >_______________________________________________ >cctalk mailing list >cctalk(a)classiccmp.org >http://www.classiccmp.org/mailman/listinfo/cctalk ---------------------------------------- Founder, Lead Writer, Tech Analyst and Web Designer Boff-Net Technologies http://boff-net.dhs.org/index.html ---------------------------------------

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Alpha 3000/800

by pietstan＠rogers.com

I finally got some time to fire up one of my recent finds... an Alpha 3000/800. I mounted a DSP3107 (1gb scsi) inside the chassis, hooked up the StorageWorks tower/floppy to the onboard SCSI controller, and powered it up. Magically, the VT320 displayed the POST messages, and the machine even found the floppy (dkb100). I proceeded to boot from the NetBSD-Alpha 1.5.1 install floppy, and got to the sysinst menu, when I smelled the ominous presence of escaping magic blue smoke (even though I didn't see any!).. I powered everything off, let it sit for a few minutes while I tried to find the source of the non-smoke. When I powered the 3000 back up, it hung with FD displayed on the LED display, with no output to the VT320... Any ideas as to what might be cooked?? Thanks... Stan

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[CCTALK] Alphaserver for trade

by mythtech＠mac.com

> Aww, man! how come the good stuff is always on the other side of the >country? Or Texas... what is it with Texas... why do you have all the old computers? Is NJ using other states for landfill again?? -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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[CCTALK] Test Post #3.14159

by spectre＠stockholm.ptloma.edu

-- ----------------------------- personal page: http://www.armory.com/~spectre/ -- Cameron Kaiser, Point Loma Nazarene University * ckaiser(a)stockholm.ptloma.edu -- I can't walk a mile in their shoes. They smell funny. ----------------------

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[CCTALK] Re: Anything special about converting VAX 11/780 to single phase?

by ard＠p850ug1.demon.co.uk

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[CCTALK] Re: Anything special about converting VAX 11/780 to single phase?

by ard＠p850ug1.demon.co.uk

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[CCTALK] Test Post #2

by dougq＠iglou.com

-Douglas Hurst Quebbeman (DougQ at ixnayamspayIgLou.com) [Call me "Doug"] Surgically excise the pig-latin from my e-mail address in order to reply "The large print giveth, and the small print taketh away." -Tom Waits

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[CCTALK] Alphaserver for trade

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

> From: elmo(a)mminternet.com > > Greetings. > > Today I rescued what appears to be an Alphaserver 4100 with 4 processors. > It has also a CD, 10/100 ethernet card, and floppy. > > It is in an eagle-sized rack mount chassis. > > I will trade for Pentium II+ gear, large HD's, high resolution monitors, > or > laptop. > > Located in Santa Monica. You pickup. Weighs 80 pounds. > > Those interested, please contact me directly. > Aww, man! how come the good stuff is always on the other side of the country? -- --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 Mac OS X 10.1 - Darwin Kernel Version 5 Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash

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[CCTALK] Alphaserver for trade

by elmo＠mminternet.com

Greetings. Today I rescued what appears to be an Alphaserver 4100 with 4 processors. It has also a CD, 10/100 ethernet card, and floppy. It is in an eagle-sized rack mount chassis. I will trade for Pentium II+ gear, large HD's, high resolution monitors, or laptop. Located in Santa Monica. You pickup. Weighs 80 pounds. Those interested, please contact me directly.

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[CCTALK] Re: Arg

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

Jay --- So what about non-subscribers? Will they be able to post to the original "classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org" address? And let's see how long it takes for this message to come back around to me... -- --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 Mac OS X 10.1 - Darwin Kernel Version 5 Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash > ---------- > From: Jay West > > it appears that your address below is not subscribed....at least it's not > in > the subscription list, and I set the software to only allow posts from > subscribers. > > Jay West > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Douglas Quebbeman" <dhquebbeman(a)theestopinalgroup.com> > > > > Jay- > > > > (or John or whoever)- > > > > Why was my test post to cctalk rejected? If you're not sure, > > send me the headers or whatever so I can figure it out... >

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[CCTALK] RE: Request for Help with the Definicon DSI-32 (NS32032 PC Coprocessor board)

by bernd＠kopriva.de

Hi Kelly, i'm sorry to ask, but i'm really interested in those items ... ... when will you have the loader disk and the documentation avaliable ? I've tries to work with the utility disk, but i was not successful, maybe i've to set some jumpers (or the card is really dead :-() Thanks Bernd On Mon, 29 Apr 2002 23:53:53 -0500, Kelly Fergason wrote: > >Its taken me a while, but... > >at www.fergason.net/definicon >are the fortran and utility disks >for the 68020 Definicon board. > >dcp386 was the program I used to create >the images originally (grabbed off simtel). > >I am still working on the loader disk, >and will work on documentation as soon as >I can. > >Please be patient, its a DSL line. > >Kelly > > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org >[mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Bernd Kopriva >Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2002 1:59 PM >To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org >Cc: morgarws(a)mh.us.sbphrd.com >Subject: Re: Request for Help with the Definicon DSI-32 (NS32032 PC >Coprocessor board) > > >Hi Bill, >i saw, that you were bidding for such a board on eBay yesterday (btw. i >tried to get that board >as well, but i was also unsuccessful :-( ) ... > >Do you already have such a board, but without documentation ? > >I grabbed some months ago a Definicion 68020 board, but without any software >and documentation, >i had no luck until now ... > >If you get the software/doucmentation you are asking for, is there a chance, >that you will send me a >copy ? (I still hope to get a 32032 board sometimes/somewhere). > >On Fri, 26 Apr 2002 15:31:49 -0400, morgarws(a)mh.us.sbphrd.com wrote: > >>I'm looking for any documentation and software for the Definicon DSI-32 >>(NS32032 PC/XT coprocessor board). ... anything would be useful! >> >>Thanks in Advance, >> >>Bill Morgart >>morgarws(a)Molbio.sbphrd.com >> >> >Thanks Bernd > >Bernd Kopriva Phone: ++49-7195-179452 >Weilerstr. 24 E-Mail: bernd(a)kopriva.de >D-71397 Leutenbach >Germany > >

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[CCTALK] HP Apollo 715/50

by pat＠purdueriots.com

I just got one of these with no disks, no kb, and no monitor. It's a 'desktop' model not one of the jumbo 'server' models. Fortuantely, it came with 64M of ram. Does anyone have 1) an idea of how to switch it to use a serial console without any keyboard (I don't have any HIL stuff), or 2) an HIL keyboard they want to get rid of? Thanks. -- Pat

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[CCTALK] Re: Arg

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

> From: David Woyciesjes > > Jay --- > <<<clip>>>> > And let's see how long it takes for this message to come back around > to me... > > -- > Jay --- So far, it's looking like it was the list server that was causing (in some weird manner) my messages to be delayed quite a while. It only take about 5 minutes now, instead of the 30 minutes or so it did before... Cool. And Jay, thanks, and alot of applause to you, for your smooth list transition. Or, at least it appeared smooth to me. :) Thanks again for all your efforts. -- --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 Mac OS X 10.1 - Darwin Kernel Version 5 Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash

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[CCTALK] Car -- not exactly on topic

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: James B. DiGriz [mailto:jbdigriz@dragonsweb.org] I don't feel that a brief, or even extended, excursion into automotive computer systems or any other embedded application is off-topic, as long as it meets the 10-year rule, but restoring Jags doesn't interest me. Well, a '64 XKE roadster, maybe, but that doesn't have any computers, and XJ's are tanks. No offense, Chris. None taken. That said, does anyone know about the systems in these? It looks interesting from the seat, and is even equipped with a dot matrix display, but I have no idea what's behind it. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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[CCTALK] Re: Arg

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

it appears that your address below is not subscribed....at least it's not in the subscription list, and I set the software to only allow posts from subscribers. Jay West ----- Original Message ----- From: "Douglas Quebbeman" <dhquebbeman(a)theestopinalgroup.com> To: <cctalk-admin(a)classiccmp.org> Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 12:38 PM Subject: Arg > Jay- > > (or John or whoever)- > > Why was my test post to cctalk rejected? If you're not sure, > send me the headers or whatever so I can figure it out... > > -dq > >

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[CCTALK] [CCTECH] Test post - ignore

by RCini＠congressfinancial.com

Test post ========================== Richard A. Cini, Jr. Congress Financial Corporation 1133 Avenue of the Americas 30th Floor New York, NY 10036 (212) 545-4402 (212) 840-6259 (facsimile) _______________________________________________ cctech mailing list cctech(a)classiccmp.org http://www.classiccmp.org/mailman/listinfo/cctech

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[CCTALK] another test...goodbye to ftp.digital.com?

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

> From: Jay West > > David wrote.... > > Someone whispered to me that ftp.digital.com seems to be evaporating? > > Grrrrr I grabbed a ton of files off there to mirror on the > classiccmp.org/PDP-11 site. However, I am FAR from having time to finish > getting everything I want. Can anyone make arrangements with the > digital.com > site owners to grab the content??? > > Jay West > Remember folks, this is just a RUMOR, since there has been no confirmation of this by anyone from inside of HPaq... Three cheers, a salute to the once great Digital Equipment Corporation... That all being said, I' still going to try and grab as much as I can... Also, don't forget ftp.europe.digital.com & http://gatekeeper.dec.com/pub/ -- --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 Mac OS X 10.1 - Darwin Kernel Version 5 Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash

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[CCTALK] Re: IBM's PGA Adapter

by vance.facundo＠unisys.com

IBM's PGA Adapter - Replying to message forum. I have one of these silicon sandwichs. You still looking for one? Vance

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[CCTALK] another test

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

this one should include non-digest subscribers

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[CCTALK] test2

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

test2 please ignore

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[CCTALK] test

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

test post - someone please reply Jay West

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[CCTALK] *sigh*

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

Hold on tight - the initial conversion is not going well. I'm working on it Jay West

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Orlando JunkFest Is anyone intersted in a R-Mag chassis?

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

I have a large Avid R-Mag chassis with several SCSI drive plug-ins like this one <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2022584407>. The plug-ins hold full height 5 1/4" SCSI drives. It has independent power switches, SCSI connectors, access & fault lights for each drive. It's really a nice setup except that it's so dammed big! Is anyone that's coming to the JunkFest interested in it? I won't bring it unless someone wants it since it's so large. Drives are NOT included and I won't ship it (unless someone is willing to pay me a ridiculous price!) Joe

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Bidding Against NASA

by spectre＠stockholm.ptloma.edu

> Anyone else here ticked of that not only are they > trying to keep that questionable pig flying ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Hey, wait! Is this NASA or a Pink Floyd concert? -- ----------------------------- personal page: http://www.armory.com/~spectre/ -- Cameron Kaiser, Point Loma Nazarene University * ckaiser(a)stockholm.ptloma.edu -- Do you think I could buy back my introduction to you? -- Groucho Marx ------

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list changes shortly

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

Sometime today I should be porting the subscribers from majordomo to mailman. Expect some strangeness during the transition. I'll do my best to keep it smooth. I am sure there will be issues after the new list is brought up. Please be patient - if you notice anything amiss, please drop me a line via PRIVATE email. Once your account is moved to the new list server, you will get an email telling you to go to the website to set up your password. You will need to click on the "email me my password" button so you can get into your account and change your password to something you want rather than the autogenerated one. It is not required that you do anything via the web - however, I strongly encourage you to do so - that way you can see all the options you can set on your account as to how you want the list to work for you. Thanks! Jay West

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Bidding Against NASA

by dquebbeman＠acm.org

> > But clearly, as they buy only in bulk from "qualified" > > suppliers, no one on the list other than Sellam might > > have what they want in bulk. > > This is true at least of what I do have in bulk. Hopefully one of their > ground systems relied on a Commodore 64. I can sell them a couple pallet > loads of those suckers ;) You just can't "no" to a pallet, can you? ;)

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Anything special about converting VAX 11/780 to single phase?

by gunther＠aurora.regenstrief.org

Hi, just to be sure, I would simply put all three phases on the same single phase. Are there any problems with that? The VAX 6000 is much pickier, but the VAX 11 and everything having the simple power distribution box should be fine, right? thanks, -Gunther -- Gunther Schadow, M.D., Ph.D. gschadow(a)regenstrief.org Medical Information Scientist Regenstrief Institute for Health Care Adjunct Assistant Professor Indiana University School of Medicine tel:1(317)630-7960 http://aurora.regenstrief.org

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INVESTMENT ASSISTASCE

by ike＠hkem.com

>FROM THE DESK OF DR IKE AKPAN Dear Sir, This is important, and requires your immediate attention! First, I must solicit your strictest confidence in the transaction. To intimate you further, we are top officials of the new civilian administration Committee on Foreign and Local Contract Payment, who are interested in the importation of goods into our country with funds which are presently trapped in Nigeria. In order to actualize this dream, we seek your assistance to transfer the said-trapped fund into an interest bearing account which you have absolute control over in your country or a third country other than Nigeria. The new civilian administration of General Olusegun Obasanjo (rtd) set-up this committee specifically to review all contracts/oil licenses to determine their propriety and relevance in the light of the country's current economic and political realities. We have identified a lot of inflated contract fund which are currently floating in our Apex Bank. At this moment we have worked out modalities within ourselves and some acquaintances at the Apex Bank to divert the sum of US$33,700,000.00 (Thirty three million,seven hundred thousand United States Dollars) only, for our personal use. However, by virtue of our positions as Civil Servants and members of the Contract Review Panel,we cannot acquire this money in our names, consequently, I was delegated by my colleagues as a matter of trust to look for an overseas partner into whose account we can transfer this sum of money,hence this letter to you.Furthermore, my colleagues and I are willing to transfer the total sum of US$33,700,000.00 (Thirty three million, seven hundred thousand United States Dollars) into your account for disbursement. Your areas of specialization is not a hindrance to the successful execution of this transaction and the account required for this project can either be PERSONAL, COMPANY or an OFFSHORE account you have total control over. Needless to say, the trust reposed on you at this juncture is enormous. In return, we have agreed to offer you 20% of this sum while 10% shall be set as! ide for incidental expenses between the parties in the course of this transaction. You must however note that this transaction is subject to the following terms and conditions: - (a) Our conviction of your transparent honesty and diligence (b) That you would treat this transaction with utmost secrecy and confidentiality. (c) That the funds would be transferred to an account where you have absolute control over. (d) That one of our representatives will be with you in your country to represent our interest.This however depends on your response to conditions A and C above. Modalities have been worked out to the highest level for the immediate transfer of the funds within 14 working days subject to your satisfaction of the above stated terms. Our assurance is that your role is RISK FREE. To accord this transaction the legality it deserves and for mutual security of the funds, the whole approval procedures will be officially and legally processed with your name or the name of any company you may nominates as the bonafide beneficiary. Once more, I want you to understand that having put over 23 years in the civil service of my country, I am averse to having my image and career dented. This matter should be treated with utmost secrecy and urgency. Kindly expedite action as we are behind schedule to enable us include this transfer in this batch as payments to foreign contractors is usually carried out on quarterly basis. Contact me on my e-mail address or my phone number is 234 1 4719568 IKE AKPAN

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Dayton Hamvention

by marvin＠rain.org

Anyone here going to the Dayton Hamvention? I'll be there in Space 3069 in the outside vendor area. FWIW, I saw some *tremendous* bargains when I was there in 1999, and hopefully will find some again :). How tremendous? One example is the Heath EC-1 for $50. With 2500 or so outside vendors, there *has* to be some good stuff :). Hope to see some of you there!

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IPC Networking

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On May 13, 13:58, Mark Tapley wrote: > I think they do; the one I built (matching instructions given > previously) does, with a caveat: I've used it to connect two (OT, sorry!) > Mac Powerbook 3400's. The two machines in question have to have Appletalk > changed to use ethernet within a few seconds of one another - otherwise > they each assume they are on a "dead" network and will not recognize the > other machine when it comes up. This may be a unique feature of the > Powerbooks. It is *not* a problem when the two machines are successively > hooked into a hub - even minutes apart - so I don't think it's a problem > with the Appletalk implementation, but I don't know. > Anyone else with more experience on this? Do hubs do any > keep-aliving for their ports, or recheck periodically for connections? Do > other two-node networks need "pinging" from both ends simultaneously to > bring up? A hub -- or indeed any other 10baseT or 100baseT network device -- is supposed to emit a stream of "link pulses" all the time it's available for use but not sending data. The link pulses are short but regular (100ns at 16ms intervals) and only positive-going, so they're not confused with data. These are the same pulses used by 100baseT and 10/100 devices for autonegotiation. In the case of the Powerbooks, what's happening is, as you say, that the software is deciding that the network is dead and shutting down the interface. Yes, that's almost unique, and certainly not the normal way to operate. I've come across only two other devices like that, and in both cases they were devices that fell back to 10base2 if they didn't see link pulses within a very short time after initialisation. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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IPC Networking

by lincoln.fessenden＠verizon.net

> I keep a drawerful of AUI-10bT transceivers. They're usually a buck > or 2 at computer junk stores, and work fine with any box I've ever stuck > one on. > > Doc Have you any exp with ODI transceivers? I have 4 which just do not work. Inside there are 3 jumpers that you can set, however they are not labeled. Anyone know how to get these to start talking nice on my network? -Linc Fessenden In the Beginning there was nothing, which exploded - Yeah right...

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Introducing myself - VAX

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Lafleur [mailto:bob_lafleur@technologist.com] > You can download the RSTS/E V7 distribution from > http://simh.trailing-edge.com/kits/rstsv7gen.tar.Z although you might > have to have to jump through hoops to get it into a media you can > install on your PDP-11. Probably. :) I have meant to try that sometime. > It also has a "moderated" conference feature which allows one > person to > control who can and can't speak in the conference -- good for panel > discussions, etc. I got the impression that it may have been a more "complex" system. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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New find this weekend

by davebarnes＠adelphia.net

This weekend I picked up a DECsystem 5000/240 system, with 112MB of ram, and a Prestoserve NVram card in the last slot (otherwise it would be 120MB of ram). This system was never turned on! Brand new, just never got used... I have a 2gb disk, and cdrom on it, and am installing Ultrix 4.5 now... I am using a VT510 as the console. Anyone know how to setup, etc the Prestoserve option? Does Ultrix 4.5 like a 4.3 gb disk? I have a barracuda I was going to hook up as rz1 for a data drive. I have an exabyte 4mm dat drive, I would like to hook that up as tape backup... comments ??? Anyone else running this fine system? David Barnes

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Terak 8510

by fmc＠reanimators.org

John Foust <jfoust(a)threedee.com> wrote: > Congratulations on saving them, and be sure to find the other > collector while the trail is still hot! He may decide to trash it. > Where was this? Thanks, my pleasure, and if I get tired of it (which is possible, I have to admit my interest is pretty much derived from seeing an "8510" prompt somewhere in UCSD Pascal for the Apple ][ and wondering what it was 20+ years ago) I will pass it along to someone else who will appreciate it. Anyway, this was at Foothill College, Los Altos Hills, CA. I know who the other collector is and don't think he's likely to trash it. I just don't know him well enough to say too much about who he is. > Yes, it's a bit old-style, but it's mono composite. I think > someone else contacted me about wanting to build a compatible > keyboard, but I never heard if they did it. It doesn't look hard, but then I'm a software guy and would be thinking about how to change the encoding of an existing keyboard with parallel output, or how to front-end a keyboard with another processor running my code, even if that other processor is newer and faster. What I'm curious about is that this doesn't seem to have quite the same arrangement as the 8510/a machines that you have described on your web pages and the manuals in the ITDA. This one has the "terak" name plate at the top front, both disk drives in the one box (something which I guess was made possible by the introduction of half-height 8" drives), and the serial card and distribution panel appear to be different. Guess I should try to take some pictures, next weekend perhaps. -Frank McConnell

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LocalTalk -> Ethernet

by pat＠purdueriots.com

I picked up a pair of Shiva FastPath 4 Appletalk to ethernet 'boxes' that were going to get tossed over at Purdue Salvage. Does anyone need one of these? Will these boxes connect an AppleTalk (localtalk) network to an ethernet network? They have a DE9P socket labelled 'AppleTalk' and an AUI and 10Base2 (BNC) connector on the back, with a switch to select the ethernet port. They're marked model # KFPS-4. -- Pat

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Introducing myself - CDC Cyber 170

by bob_lafleur＠technologist.com

After I graduated from high school in 1981, I attended U-Mass at Amherst >from 1981-1983. There, I got my first introduction to a larger mainfraim system, a CDC Cyber 170. My first semester there I tried to avoid the computers totally, as I knew if I got involved, I?d get hooked. A friend in the dorm had rented a terminal for his room, and near the end of the semester I gave in and took a look at what it was all about. My second semester there (Spring, 1982) I took a Pascal course, and rented a terminal for my room. I rented some kind of clunker, but it was a CRT, and it had a 300-baud acoustic coupler, and it cost $180 to rent for the semester. But it was better than waiting in lines in the terminal room. The guy who rented a terminal the semester before showed me about ?Talk?, a program written by Ron (I can?t for the life of me remember his last name, but his ?nickname? was Salamir). Talk would allow a bunch of people to chat at once, and with a system that would allow 250 people logged in at once, there was usually 10-20 people on Talk at one time. This was a huge step-up from the ?two people talking to each other? programs I?d previously used on RST/E systems. Unfortunately, Talk was a HUGE computer resource hog, and the computer center powers killed it a few weeks into the semester. So I had to find other things to do. I learned some about the system ? that it was running NOS 1.4. You could buy all the NOS programming documentation at the bookstore, but I had absolutely no idea what it all meant. After coming from a DEC environment where documentation was ?pretty?, and fairly easy to read and understand, the CDC books with tiny print, and odd terms, were impossible to understand. I met Alan Green, who became a good computer friend, and taught me a lot about the Cyber system. I think Alan lived computers. I don?t know where or how he learned what he did, but he seemed to know everything about the Cyber before anyone else. He taught me how to understand the manuals, and all the ins and outs of NOS 1.4. Our accounts didn?t have any privileges, so we couldn?t do much. I spent most of my time working on my Pascal projects for class, and learning some system programming tricks from Alan. Everybody had to pick a ?nickname? for using Talk or MAIL. Everyone had a different way of picking names; some were based on favorite characters, others were based on their name, or something they liked. I didn?t know what the heck to use, so I said I would just pick a random word. I picked ?Skidaddle?. Who knows why. It soon got shortened to Skid, which is what I used for everything at U-Mass, and even afterwards on systems like AOL and Genie. People even started calling me Skid instead of Bob in the hallways, etc. It did not catch on though (after college) and no one calls me Skid these days. When I came back in the fall of 1982, there was a big change. I went to the terminal room right away, and the sign on the door said it was moved. So I went to the new place, and they had all new, ?sleek? looking terminals. I don?t remember exactly what they were, but I think it was something like ADM-3A?s. Alan was there, and he said they had upgraded the Cyber to NOS 2.0. That was a big change from NOS 1.4, he said. With a lot of new features. He had some ideas about writing a new ?talk? like program that would be much less resource intensive than Talk was, and that maybe the computer center would allow to run. He wrote a very simple prototype, which I helped him test and enhance. Alan, in his way of naming things, called it ?Wasteme? because it wasted people?s time. Wasteme grew from a very small prototype, to a larger program with some pretty neat features, and it got renamed to Twinkle. Alan appointed me Twinkle manager, whatever that meant. Basically I could use a few commands that others didn?t have, like evict and blacklist commands. The computer center never really tried to shut Twinkle off for quite a while. I think Alan had the pull with the right people to keep it going. U-Mass Amherst shared it?s Cyber with a few other schools; U-Mass Boston (which had their own machines, but also had access to the Amherst Cyber), and Hampshire College, and Mount Holyoke College. Twinkle was neat because people from the other schools could be on also. I wrote a lot of crazy programs during the fall 1982 semester. John Curran, who?s nickname was ?Avenger? wasn?t really much of a programmer, but had a lot of good ideas. So he gave me the ideas, and I implemented them. Alan Green was really the programmer ? he could sit down, and type Pascal code into the system without any line breaks for indenting, jamming as much on one line as possible, and he was a FAST typist. He would have an idea for a program, type away like this for half an hour, compile and run it with no errors. Of course, no one else could understand his programs. One of the main programs I wrote that a lot of people used I called ?GOODDAY?. You?d add it to your startup procedure, and when you logged in, it would ?greet? you. You could configure it with a multitude of options. It could print the dining commons menu for the day (or tomorrow, if it was after supper already), tell you who was on Talk, Wasteme, Twinkle, or whatever other talk system happened to be in common use at the time, and count your mail messages in a variety of mail systems that were in use. I?m sure it did other things also, but I don?t remember them now. In the Spring of 1983, Alan got much more interested in how the Cyber actually worked. There was a lot of stuff we didn?t know about NOS. A lot of mysteries about what the operators did, or could do. None of the students were operators, or had access to the ?back room? where the Cyber was housed, so the whole system operations side of it was a mystery. Alan started to experiment with things like what ?subsystems? were, and what other ones existed, what some of the system accounts were and what files were used to control system operation. Alan found (don?t ask me how) a way to go to up to a logged-in terminal and find out the user?s password in about 30 seconds. So, if someone left the room to go get a printout, but left their terminal logged in, it was easy to ?steal? their password, and of course their account was easy to find out. Alan kept this little loophole very quiet, but a few of us knew about it. We also knew that if the management wanted to talk to you, they?d change your password to something like ?SEEJUDY?. When you couldn?t log on, you?d go to the operator window, and they?d look up your password. Of course, they knew the secret ?code? ? if your password was ?see? or ?c? somebody, it meant they were to tell you to ?see? that person. One day, I was working on a project for a class and all of a sudden my files were gone. I thought this odd, as no one else had a problem. I used our little trick to see if my password was changed, and sure enough it was changed to ?CCHUCK?. Chuck was the head guy in charge. I used the command to send a message to the operator, saying my files were deleted. Some of the operators would send messages back to us at times, so we knew how to send messages to them. Anyway, there was no response. I sent this a few more times, and finally sent a message that said ?my password has been changed to cchuck? what?s going on??. Within a very short time, two computer center people were at my sides, asking me to come into the hallway. They wanted to know how I knew what my new password was. I told them how it was done in exchange for them giving my files back and not bothering me anymore. I still don?t know what triggered them to delete my files and change my password. During the Spring 1982 semester another interesting thing happened. Word was going around that you could go to Radio Shack, and ask them to give you a demo of CompuServe. You could watch what ID and password the salesperson used to log on, then go home, and log on yourself. Each store had their own demo ID. You could use these to log on and use CompuServe?s CB simulator. Well, the simulator was limited to users of other Radio Shack demo accounts, but I think just about everyone on were ?hijackers? like us. Anyway, one day our Cyber was down, so I got on the CompuServe CB simulator for lack of anything better to do (wow, was that primitive compared to Twinkle!) and started talking with a girl from Sacramento, CA who used a Cyber just like ours. Before half an hour, we had exchanged computer phone numbers and login information (before we even exchanged voice numbers) and later took turns calling each other?s Cyber to check out what it was like. We eventually became good friends (thanks to phone phreaking, it made long distance calling possible), and have visited each other several times. A friend of hers started logging onto our system, met someone from our system, came out to visit, and got married. One of the cool things the CSU Sacramento Cyber had was a ?oneliners bulletin board? where each user could post one line, per day. At the end of the day the board would be cleared. Their version was neat, but crude. I liked the idea, so sat down and wrote one myself in a few hours. My OnelIner program was one of the few programs we had that used single character input (i.e. you didn?t have to hit return after a command). At the end of the Spring 1982 semester, I spent a fair amount of time locating many source codes for all kinds of things ? programs I had written, programs my friends had written, and a lot of things I probably wasn?t supposed to have access to. I made a list, and prepared to make a batch job to back it all up onto tape. My last night there, I submitted the job, and one of the last things I did before leaving campus that semester was go to the operator window to retrieve my backup tape. They had it there, with a big note on it ?DO NOT RETURN?. It took a little coaxing, but I finally got them to give it to me. I?ve still got this tape, although I don?t know if it is readable, or how I could get the data off, or make use of it. I haven?t seen any Cyber 170 simulators, and don?t expect to find one anytime soon. After leaving U-Mass, I still kept in contact with the people and system for a few years via dial-up, and ?loaned? accounts. Alan had actually figured out how to create accounts on the system, and we had several self-created accounts such as TWINKLE, AVENGER, and SKID (that was me) for several years. Numeric-only accounts stood out even less, as student accounts were based on their 7-digit student ID number; I had two accounts I created, 4444555 and 7171717 which existed for even longer than the named ones. The computer center finally sanctioned a talk system called CONFER. It was actually a subsystem of NOS, so it was much more efficient. I don?t know if someone at U-Mass wrote it, or if it was purchased. No one knew anything about it, or if they did, they wouldn?t talk. It was quite different than Twinkle. The Talk system I wrote for VMS several years later embodied the best parts of Twinkle and Confer. There were quite a few people I came in contact with at U-Mass Amherst, especially through the use of the Twinkle system. I?ve lost contact with all of them. If anyone is reading this and remembers me, or the system, please drop me an E-mail. - Bob Lafleur Springfield, MA USA

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Bidding Against NASA

by dquebbeman＠acm.org

> My guess is that the reporter failed to grasp that they are probably > looking for milspec parts, as opposed to the common stuff found in PCs and > whatnot. These of course would be far harder to find in quantity. > > I don't doubt that they are also looking for regular parts for test > systems as well. I know they are using a lot of older systems. Last year > I did a data recovery job for them where the data was 8080 assembly code. God knows, reporters are idiots about everything except journalism, and who cares except another journalist. But this reporter made a point of stating that the stuff most people have in their basements doesn't qualify as NASA-sought-after... Yes, agencies like this may once upon a time have relied upon milspec parts, JUST AS THEY USED TO RELY ON SECOND-SOURCING, which we all know died some time ago. Where else ya gonna get a Pentium? P-II, P-III, or P-IV? But clearly, as they buy only in bulk from "qualified" suppliers, no one on the list other than Sellam might have what they want in bulk. However, this could still put pressure on the supplies of stuff that we like to collect. Think about the effect as it propagates upstream... -dq

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Introducing myself - VAX

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Lafleur [mailto:bob_lafleur@technologist.com] > Although I was primarily working on the account project, the bank?s > minicomputer was a VAX 11/780 (or two). We backed up our > source code to > the VAX system, so I had some limited contact with the VAX. I was > intrigued, because I wanted to know how this VMS was similar, and > different from RSTS/E. Please let me know if you find out ;) I've been trying to find RSTS/E to go on my PDP-11, actually. > I wondered about the VAX, and how I might go about writing a > talk system Of course, there are others these days, including a built in "PHONE" command. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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Emailing: 25227(Microsoft fined for piracy)

by kapteynr＠cboe.com

The subject line here caught my attention, but it was really hard to find the article since: "Outlook blocked access to the following potentially unsafe attachments: 25227.url." Then, I had forgotten that TheRegister was ".co.uk" and not ".com". Almost looks like a conspiracy :-) But is an interesting article with a familiar pattern. It looks like M$ thought that that they had gotten away with their piracy when they bankrupted the company -- only to see the software's individual authors continue the court battle. I wonder if this was included in the long list of companies ruined by M$ in the US anti-trust case. BTW: the text form URL is: http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/7/25227.html (hopefully that did not get blocked :-) -Rob -----Original Message----- From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org [mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Charles E. Fox Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 5:59 AM To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Emailing: 25227(Microsoft fined for piracy) Your files are attached and ready to send with this message. Microsoft bashers might like to read this from The Register. Regards Charlie Fox Charles E. Fox Video Production 793 Argyle Rd. Windsor Ontario Canada N8Y 3J8 519-254-4991 foxvideo(a)wincom.net Check out the "Camcorder Kindergarten" at http://chasfoxvideo.com

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IPC Networking

by mtapley＠swri.edu

>> I get the impression that two-node 10Bt networking can be done with >> nothing but a crossover cable. (IE the chaining connection on hubs is >> just a crossover) Is this possibly true, using just the cable? > >I beleive that one is possible. In fact I've seen crossover cables on >sale for this purpose (this doesn't mean they _work_ of course :-)). I think they do; the one I built (matching instructions given previously) does, with a caveat: I've used it to connect two (OT, sorry!) Mac Powerbook 3400's. The two machines in question have to have Appletalk changed to use ethernet within a few seconds of one another - otherwise they each assume they are on a "dead" network and will not recognize the other machine when it comes up. This may be a unique feature of the Powerbooks. It is *not* a problem when the two machines are successively hooked into a hub - even minutes apart - so I don't think it's a problem with the Appletalk implementation, but I don't know. Anyone else with more experience on this? Do hubs do any keep-aliving for their ports, or recheck periodically for connections? Do other two-node networks need "pinging" from both ends simultaneously to bring up? - Mark

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INVESTMENT ASSISTANCE

by ibrahimyakubu＠africamail.com

>FROM THE DESK OF IBRAHIM YAKUBU Dear Sir, This is important, and requires your immediate attention! First, I must solicit your strictest confidence in the transaction. To intimate you further, we are top officials of the new civilian administration Committee on Foreign and Local Contract Payment, who are interested in the importation of goods into our country with funds which are presently trapped in Nigeria. In order to actualize this dream, we seek your assistance to transfer the said-trapped fund into an interest bearing account which you have absolute control over in your country or a third country other than Nigeria. The new civilian administration of General Olusegun Obasanjo (rtd) set-up this committee specifically to review all contracts/oil licenses to determine their propriety and relevance in the light of the country's current economic and political realities. We have identified a lot of inflated contract fund which are currently floating in our Apex Bank. At this moment we have worked out modalities within ourselves and some acquaintances at the Apex Bank to divert the sum of US$33,700,000.00 (Thirty three million,seven hundred thousand United States Dollars) only, for our personal use. However, by virtue of our positions as Civil Servants and members of the Contract Review Panel,we cannot acquire this money in our names, consequently, I was delegated by my colleagues as a matter of trust to look for an overseas partner into whose account we can transfer this sum of money,hence this letter to you. Furthermore, my colleagues and I are willing to transfer the total sum of US$33,700,000.00 (Thirty three million, seven hundred thousand United States Dollars) into your account for disbursement. Your areas of specialization is not a hindrance to the successful execution of this transaction and the account required for this project can either be PERSONAL, COMPANY or an OFFSHORE account you have total control over. Needless to say, the trust reposed on you at this juncture is enormous. In return, we have agreed to offer you 20% of this sum while 10% shall be set as! ide for incidental expenses between the parties in the course of this transaction. You must however note that this transaction is subject to the following terms and conditions: - (a) Our conviction of your transparent honesty and diligence (b) That you would treat this transaction with utmost secrecy and confidentiality. (c) That the funds would be transferred to an account where you have absolute control over. (d) That one of our representatives will be with you in your country to represent our interest. This however depends on your response to conditions A and C above. Modalities have been worked out to the highest level for the immediate transfer of the funds within 14 working days subject to your satisfaction of the above stated terms. Our assurance is that your role is RISK FREE. To accord this transaction the legality it deserves and for mutual security of the funds, the whole approval procedures will be officially and legally processed with your name or the name of any company you may nominates as the bonafide beneficiary. Once more, I want you to understand that having put over 23 years in the civil service of my country, I am averse to having my image and career dented. This matter should be treated with utmost secrecy and urgency. Kindly expedite action as we are behind schedule to enable us include this transfer in this batch as payments to foreign contractors is usually carried out on quarterly basis. Contact me on my e-mail address or my phone number is 234 1 4719568 IBRAHIM YAKUBU

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Bidding Against NASA

by jfoust＠threedee.com

Discussions about taxes, the governmental purchasing process, and the intelligence of journalists are all off-topic. - John

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Bidding Against NASA

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

I asked a friend of mine at NASA about this and here's his reply. As Dick said, the whole thing is "Greatly Exaggerated." For the ones of you that may not be aware of it, NASA, military contractors, universities and many businesses are ALWAYS looking for old hardware to keep their specailized systems going. I've sold a ton of HP equipment to many of them for spares. I even sold one HP 9000 that is now in Antarctica. Their old one died suddenly and they flew someone from South Africa to the US to pick this one up and then flew with it to Antarctica. In many cases the users would have to go through a lengthy and costly process to certify new systems so it's better to buy replacement parts for the old system instead of upgrading. For example, last year I repaired two HP-41 calculators for Air France and I was WELL paid for it. I asked them why they didn't upgrade to HP-42s that are SW compatible with the HP-41 or to a newer calculator with rewritten SW. They said that since they were using them INSIDE the Concorde it was considered flight hardware and that it would take at least three years and ! cost in excess of $20,000 to certify a replacement. Joe >> Ray, >> >> Have you heard anything about this? It sounds pretty wild to me. >> > >Very possible. The old Launch Processing System (LPS) uses "Micomp" >floppies. NASA is using the Shuttle way beyond the life expectancy. Many >of the old instruments are breaking down. NASA goes looking for an exact >replacement because it would cost too much to re-qualify new hardware. This >probably goes for firmand software too. >

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Anything interesting going on near Baltimore MD?

by rschaefe＠gcfn.org

Specifically the 29th, 30th, and 31? I'll be there for a training seminar, but I _really_ don't want to spend the whole time hanging out with my boss! Bob

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