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Fwd: [CCTECH] QBUS backplanes, potentially free for shipping

by erd_6502＠yahoo.com

--- Paul Thompson <thompson(a)new.rr.com> wrote: > From: Paul Thompson <thompson(a)new.rr.com> > To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: [CCTECH] QBUS backplanes, potentially free for shipping > Reply-to: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 09:18:58 -0500 (CDT) > > > I will probably have some empty BA213 QBUS housings available free for > shipping. I will know if I want to grab these if I find anyone interested > in them and if I can find a box big enough to hold them as I have little > use for them myself. I'm interested. I have no Qbus boxes newer than BA23/BA123. > Either of these units might help give your QBUS Microvax some Q22 > breathing room. Yay! > On a related note, I recall that there was some ability to convert the > KDJ11 module for this DECserver into a working PDP 11/xx (83+?) with a > PROM swap? Does anyone know more about this and its feasibility? I traded some BA23 handles to Jon Engdahl for a DECserver CPU board with BA213 handles. I haven't pulled its handle yet. He did the work of putting "normal" KDJ11 boot ROMs in it (and moving a jumper or to, ISTR). It's an 11/53, effectively, based on speed and local RAM (there's a couple of flavors of it). I don't know much about the board other than the obvious CPU flavor and RAM, etc. I am not a guru when it comes to stuff that new. I'm fine with Qbus, but I really know the KDF11 stuff best. My goal is a 2.11BSD system, especially since I have more than one KDA50 (and a couple of RA70s). KA630s just aren't special enough for me to spend lots of time on; I'd rather fire up the 8200. -ethan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com

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VAXStation 2000 (Was: TK50Z-GA and MicroVax 3100/90?)

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Rod Young [mailto:rodyoung@shaw.ca] > So, I made the correct console (shorted pins 8-9) and presto, Sounds good. > I have a DELNI that was going to attach to the thickwire > port, but then > there's that cable issue. I think it's odd for the VS2000 to > have the posts > on the thickwire port... cuz it just doen't fit with the Actually, yes, it is -- I don't think that my 2000s are like that :) You could possibly open the case up and just remove the posts. > cables and DELNI > stuff I have. Must be a different cable out there for the > VS2000 thick wire > port. Oh well, I'll make it work! Or your port is just strange. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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[CCTECH] Accounting for classiccmp server donations

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

There were a lot of changes to the proposed hardware after the fact that caused the price to change. These were all due to the 1U case that we got. Once the case was in, it turned out that the case only supported a slimline (laptop style) cdrom, not a regular size one. Also, the heatsink/fan for the proposed 1.2ghz cpu was too tall, so we had to use a smaller fan/heatsink which also meant changing to a slower processor. The 256mb DRAM that was donated was too tall, so I had to trade it in for two 128mb simms that fit. Then the supplier ran out of the motherboard that I was quoted, so we had to use a different one there. Loosely translated, 1U cases are a royal pain (I also had to take a dremel tool to the eject button on the floppy drive that someone donated to get it to stick through the hole on the front of the case). In any event, here is a complete accounting of who donated what, and what the exact costs were. Donations (Hardware): Pat 1.44mb floppy drive James Rice 256mb DRAM Jay West 4gb IDE hard drive Jay West 20gb IDE hard drive Note - Chad Fernandez was kind enough to donate a 32X cdrom, however, I had to return it because of the 1U case issue above Donations (Cash): Stan Sieler $25.00 Paul Williams $30.00 (-1.47 paypal fee) Bill Richman $50.00 David Mcguire $10.00 (-0.59 paypal fee) Nick Oliviero $10.00 (-0.59 paypal fee) Jon Engdahl $10.00 (-0.59 paypal fee) Peter Turnbull $10.00 (-0.69 paypal fee) Henk Gooijen $8.40 (-0.63 paypal fee) Rich Beaudry $50.00 (-1.75 paypal fee) Totals gross donations $203.40 less paypal fees (-$6.31) = net donations of $197.09 cash Hardware costs: 1U rackmount case w/slide rails $172.00 Mitsumi 24x slimline CDROM $50.00 Asus TUSI-M motherboard $66.00 (2) 128mb PC133 DIMM $72.00 Intel P3/667 cpu $110.00 Tradein for one 256mb DIMM $-72.00 Total hardware cost $398.00 less donations above (-$197.09) = balance covered by Jay West $200.91cash First, I want to GREATLY thank all those who donated hardware and cash. As you can see, every little bit truely helped. I am at a loss to explain why paypal charged different fees for some of the $10.00 donations. I do know that the first few donations came in when my paypal account was a regular account, and part way through receiving donations I upgraded it to a "premier" account (at no cost). I did this so people could donate via credit card as opposed to bank draws; perhaps that explains the differing amounts due to some difference in account type charges. If anyone wishes, I would be happy to provide scanned copies of my paypal account history and the invoice from my vendor to substantiate the above numbers. I took some nice pictures of the fully assembled system, they are still in my digital camera awaiting download. I need to go down to the datacenter and take some pictures of the unit with it installed in a rack. Once I get those too, I will post all the pictures on the web for those curious. System specifics: Asus motherboard, 256mb ram, 4gb ide drive for the FreeBSD v4.5 release operating system, 20gb drive for archives and webspace, 10/100 ethernet and video built into the motherboard, Pentium III cpu @ 667mhz, 1.44mb floppy & 24x cdrom. Packages installed - analog/reportmagic webstatistics reporting, apache 2.0 webserver, bison1.3 parser generator, cygnus gnats 3.113 bug reporting system (with wwwgnats for web based bug submission), mailman 2.0.10 mailing list server, and python 2.2 language. There's also a bunch of dependency packages (gd, gettext, jpeg, a bunch of p5 stuff, etc.). I'm quite impressed with the case - it has a huge fan that isn't a muffin style, it's more like a heater blower (enclosed turbo housing) and it really pushes some serious airflow. The drive bays are easy snap out the front (but not hot swappable). The top of the case slides off by just pressing two buttons on top, no screws. Other than the installation clearance problems, the case is a dream to work on. And yes, the front panel has "cool factor" (read: blinkenlights). Environment: The system sits inside one of the racks in our datacenter. The datacenter building sits on two separate city power grids, so we're covered if one grid goes down. The building is fed by five diesel generators providing 7.5 megawatts (typically enough fuel for 3 days of continuous power) and there is an external hookup to bring another generator in on a tractor trailer flatbed if need be. Our room has it's own 30 minute online UPS, mainly to carry through the 2 minute specification for the time it takes the outside generators to come up to speed with clean power. All of our gear (including the classiccmp server) is powered via APC masterswitch's, so we can power on and off any device via any webbrowser >from anywhere. The room is fully protected with FM-200 fire supression, biometric access controls, remote video survellience, etc. The classiccmp server ethernet port runs 100mb ethernet to our managed switch, and from there hits the outside world via a Cisco 7206VXR router. Our bandwidth provider is in the next room to us, so that connection is a direct gigabit cable. In addition, all the major backbone providers are in the same building, so in the event of a serious connectivity issue, we can immediately run a cable to anyone we choose (sprint, MCI, ATT, XO, Quest, SWB, etc.). Needless to say, the classiccmp server is in a great environment and well connected. And again I'll reiterate for those new to the list - I would be happy to host any classic computer related website, ftp site, mailinglist, etc. at no charge. My sincere thanks again to those who donated!!!! Regards, Jay West _______________________________________________ cctech mailing list cctech(a)classiccmp.org http://www.classiccmp.org/mailman/listinfo/cctech

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good places to visit in Kansas City?

by dougq＠iglou.com

> On Wed, 22 May 2002, Gary Hildebrand wrote: > > > Slowly drying up, but there are still a couple. Computer Garage has a > > very small variety, off of I-35 at Johnson Drive, on Merriam Drive. > > You mean there's a competing Computer Garage in Kansas, now that Jim > Willing has moved there? I'll bet they never saw that coming. > > Speaking of which, why not go visit Jim Willing? > > I'm sure he'll pipe up about whether he wants random visitors to his farm > or if he'll take shots at you with salt to drive you off his > propatee. . Rock salt tends to scatter when used by itself... for best results, pack it in with some country bacon... better chance of striking the target.

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TK50Z-GA and MicroVax 3100/90?

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Lafleur [mailto:bob_lafleur@technologist.com] > I will shortly be receiving a MicroVax 3100/90 and a TK50Z-GA > tape drive. > Both have SCSI, and I assumed they would work together. > However, I just read > something that seems to imply the TK50Z-GA is "incompatible" > SCSI, and will Well, I've never heard of anyone getting it to work with anything else. :) You could try it. It's the one without the ID selector, right? I think the ID is fixed, since the other alternative is to pass it through the cable, and that would be, well, interesting, to say the least... > only work on the MicroVax 2000. Can anyone confirm this > either way? If it > will work, what type of SCSI cable will I need - a standard > one, or some Should be a standard cable. > proprietary one? If it won't work, is there any way to "fix" > the TK50Z-GA so > that it will? Thanks. Um, yes, but it will require the internals from a tk50 drive that will work ;) (Seriously, the drives are all the same, but some of the logic that's packed in the case with them is different... so I've heard.) Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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AMD 2901 Microcode Meta-Assembler

by ken＠seefried.com

From: Ben Franchuk <bfranchuk(a)jetnet.ab.ca> >Ken Seefried wrote: >> Does anyone know of a free or cheap, usable meta-assembler for AMD 2901 >> microcode? Or anyone have one they want to get rid of? >I don't there was such a beast (FREE or CHEAP) as most micro code >designs could not use a standard assembler because of hardware >variations.Any that were developed would be custom software. There are, at least, AMDASM, MetaStep, Hale & MacASM. All of these are of dubious free-ness and current status. Ken

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DEC Pro350

by ken＠seefried.com

From: Pat Finnegan <pat(a)purdueriots.com> > Is VENIX worth trying on this thing? It's been a decade or more, but I recall Venix being a completely serviceable Unix. More along the lines of V7 that anything you might run on a PeeCee, but if you've got the inclination, I'd say give it a try. Ken

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VAXStation 2000 (Was: TK50Z-GA and MicroVax 3100/90?)

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

> From: Christopher Smith > > <<File: ATT44037.txt>> > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rod Young [mailto:rodyoung@shaw.ca] > > > So, I made the correct console (shorted pins 8-9) and presto, > > Sounds good. > > > I have a DELNI that was going to attach to the thickwire > > port, but then > > there's that cable issue. I think it's odd for the VS2000 to > > have the posts > > on the thickwire port... cuz it just doen't fit with the > > Actually, yes, it is -- I don't think that my 2000s are like > that :) You could possibly open the case up and just remove the > posts. > > > cables and DELNI > > stuff I have. Must be a different cable out there for the > > VS2000 thick wire > > port. Oh well, I'll make it work! > > Or your port is just strange. > > Chris > Hey! I seem to recall having to add a clip to the AUI port on my VAXStation 3100m38, so I could hooked up a transceiver. IIRC all computers' with AUI ports, have the clip side, not the stud... Well, they're supposed to, at least... -- --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 Mac OS X 10.1 - Darwin Kernel Version 5 Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash

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Recent score: CBM 8032

by JBrain＠aegonusa.com

HEAVY as LEAD, and build for a nuclear war, IMHO. Pain to store too, as they're huge. Hi, Cameron. Jim Jim Brain, jbrain(a)aegonusa.com "Researching tomorrow's decisions today." (319) 369-2070 (work) SYSTEMS ARCHITECT, ITS, AEGON FINANCIAL PARTNERS -----Original Message----- From: Cameron Kaiser [mailto:spectre@stockholm.ptloma.edu] Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 11:59 PM To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: Recent score: CBM 8032 > Wow wouldn't mind having one, as they are the grandaddy to the VIC-20 > and C=64 machines. Some VIC/64 software is directly useable, other > software takes minor tweaks. Now you'll need the matching floppy > drives, and they use that (typical commodore offbeat) IEEE interface. I > guess use the common steps troubleshooting the p/s. I've got a PET 2001-16B myself, and a C2N datasette. Works great. To the original poster, yes, the power supply and/or fuse are likely suspects. PETs are pretty tough systems. -- ----------------------------- personal page: http://www.armory.com/~spectre/ -- Cameron Kaiser, Point Loma Nazarene University * ckaiser(a)stockholm.ptloma.edu -- The world is coming to an end. Log off now. --------------------------------

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Hp200 data cartridge, Intel MDS 800

by Innfogra＠aol.com

In a message dated 5/22/02 10:34:02 AM Pacific Daylight Time, lemay(a)cs.umn.edu writes: > Inside the box of floppies for the Intel MDS 800, was a single tape > cartridge. > Its a HP200, certified data cartridge, series 9800. Is this something that > can be used with a MDS 800, or is it something that someone else needs? > Interesting. No, it is not usable with the MDS 800. The tape cart is for the 98XX series of computer/calculators. It is also used in the HP85s and with the tape drive for the HP41 calculators. IIRC it is similar to the DC100 series of tape carts. Paxton Astoria, OR

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DM8835 quad bi-directional transceiver

by acme_ent＠bellsouth.net

> From: Louis Schulman <louiss(a)gate.net> > Does anyone have a source for the above-mentioned (or equivalent) chip? > > Second question. Am I correct that a 74367 or 8T97 will substitute > directly for a DM8097 hex tri-state buffer? Don't know about the DM8835, but the '367 or 8T97 should work in place of the DM8097. Glen 0/0

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good places to visit in Kansas City?

by mmcfadden＠cmh.edu

The Surplus Exchange at 1107 Hickory KCMO has several floors of computer and office surplus. They are normally open on Saturday but not on Sunday. I just called and they will be closed for Memorial Day from 5 PM Friday evening until 9 AM on Tuesday morning. They receive all of the old computers from many of the Kansas City companies and their branches throughout the Midwest. Lots of Mac stuff from Hallmark. PS/2 stuff from IRS, DEC stuff from engineering firms. If you are looking for specific stuff I may have some in my garage, which needs cleaning. I live on a lake outside of town and the boat needs to hit the water. Mike contact me off-list at mmcfadden at cmh dot edu > > I'll be in Kansas City this weekend. Can anyone syuggest any good classic computer places to visit? > > Joe

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TK50Z-GA and MicroVax 3100/90?

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

! From: Doc [mailto:doc@mdrconsult.com] ! ! On Thu, 23 May 2002, Bob Lafleur wrote: ! ! > > It has a SCSI-I style (50pin amphelon) if that's what you mean by ! > non-mangled. ! > ! > 50-pin "amphenol" you mean... Is that like a 50-pin centronics? I've ! > basically seen either the 50-pin centronics, or the DB25 type. ! ! Oh, gods, here we go.... ! ! Doc, limbering up his Delete Key Methinks somebody needs to search the archives, to see what kind of havoc the "amphenol and/or centronics usage" thread caused... --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 Mac OS X 10.1.2 - Darwin Kernel Version 5.2: Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash

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[CCTECH] more Hobbit photos

by jhellige＠earthlink.net

If anyone's interested, here are the paths to the four additional photos that have been taken. I think they came out pretty good, though a little on the large side. I actually reduced them in size a little so the quality isn't as good as they were. A coworker took these with a Nikon D1X digital camera. http://www.geocities.com/siliconvalley/lakes/6757/images/be044_back.jpg http://www.geocities.com/siliconvalley/lakes/6757/images/be044_front.jpg http://www.geocities.com/siliconvalley/lakes/6757/images/be044_inside.jpg http://www.geocities.com/siliconvalley/lakes/6757/images/be044_inside_close… Jeff -- Home of the TRS-80 Model 2000 FAQ File http://www.cchaven.com http://www.geocities.com/siliconvalley/lakes/6757 _______________________________________________ cctech mailing list cctech(a)classiccmp.org http://www.classiccmp.org/mailman/listinfo/cctech

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HP DJ540 out of paper???

by Robert_Feldman＠jdedwards.com

Kind of like what Gillette did in giving away razors so you will buy their blades, only now it's giving away printers so you will buy the ink. -----Original Message----- From: Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) [mailto:cisin@xenosoft.com] Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 2:08 PM To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: HP DJ540 out of paper??? On Thu, 23 May 2002, Chad Fernandez wrote: > I was given a an HP Deskjet 540. I bought a rebuilt ink cartidge for > it, which is over 20 dollars, so I'd like to get it working if I can. I was considering repairing a deskjet, but the price of ink cartridges was kinda steep. The best price that I've seen for reliable cartridges (after trying several "rebuilt" ones that were NFG), was $40 for both a new color one and a new B&W one. But the $40 deal also included a new printer. That kinda took away some of the incentive to repair the old printer. If I'm not mistaken, the 540 takes the green top cartridges, like the original Deskjet minus and Deskjet plus, although the case of the 540 is like the case of the 600 series that use the blue top cartridges. -- Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin(a)xenosoft.com

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good places to visit in Kansas City?

by dougq＠iglou.com

> On Thu, 23 May 2002, Douglas H. Quebbeman wrote: > > > Rock salt tends to scatter when used by itself... for best results, > > pack it in with some country bacon... better chance of striking > > the target. > > As the not-terribly-proud owner of some rock-salt scars, I can verify > that it gets out to 50-60 feet just fine, in a fairly tight group. At > that range, you get about .125" penetration. Cuttin' through on the way to the creek, he got the back of my calf and that tender spot behind the knee from a shot 150 feet away... years later, I asked the fellow what his secret was, bacon was the reply... > FWIW, the treatment for embedded salt particles is a long soak in a > warm bath. Hurts a _hell_ of a lot worse than getting shot. Heh, I went for the cold of the creek, and an infection a few days later... -dq

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SWTPc 6800

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On May 22, 23:17, Louis Schulman wrote: > It works! > > After a few consultations, I have my vintage 1975 SWTPc 6800 up and > running! Another success! :-) > Well, I learned several things. > And finally, a cheap Radio Shack logic probe can "see" a lot of what > you > can see on an oscilloscope, if you listen to the tones carefully. The > data train on reset makes a nice little set of beeps. Seems like that was a good investment! -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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AMD 2901 Microcode Meta-Assembler

by ken＠seefried.com

Does anyone know of a free or cheap, usable meta-assembler for AMD 2901 microcode? Or anyone have one they want to get rid of? Ken

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HP DJ540 out of paper???

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

> From: Chad Fernandez > > David Woyciesjes wrote: > > - I assume you've looked for any reed/pin switches, or anything of > > that sort. Is there a mechanism on it that is supposed to lift the paper > > tray? > > I can hear one. I assume that switch is working since the paper light > goes out if I have paper in it, and press the paper button. The > computer still claims that the printer is out of paper, so I'm thinking > it maybe deeper in the printer. > > I was hoping that this is a common problem and would have an easy > solution. > > The paper loading mechanism still doesn't move however. > - I would crack her open, then, and see what's going on with the paper lift... -- --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 Mac OS X 10.1 - Darwin Kernel Version 5 Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash

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good places to visit in Kansas City?

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

I'll be in Kansas City this weekend. Can anyone syuggest any good classic computer places to visit? Joe

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HP DJ540 out of paper???

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

> From: Chad Fernandez > > .. > The thing tells me it's out of paper even when it has paper. It just > doesn't want to grab it.... it doesn't even try. Is this something that > is easily fixed, or do I need to toss the printer? > > The head seems to move back an forth just fine, but after it "discovers" > that it has no paper it just sits. > > Chad Fernandez > Michigan, USA > - I assume you've looked for any reed/pin switches, or anything of that sort. Is there a mechanism on it that is supposed to lift the paper tray? -- --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 Mac OS X 10.1 - Darwin Kernel Version 5 Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash

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DEC, QBUS, VSV21

by emu＠ecubics.com

Hi all, anybody out here has a manual for those ? cheers & thanks

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VAXStation 2000 (Was: TK50Z-GA and MicroVax 3100/90?)

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Rod Young [mailto:rodyoung@shaw.ca] > Thought I read somewhere, that a VS/MV2000 will not complete the POST > without happy ethernet termination. Could be wrong, but best > bet is to > resolve the cable issue first, so I can see what's going on... You may have read that, but it's incorrect ;) It will complete the tests, and then complain because the network test failed, for obvious reasons. It may also complain about your console not being "known" to it (IE not either the built in graphics, or a VT-whatever plugged in as it would be on a MicroVAX), but again, this is non-fatal. The console problem doesn't even stop it from auto-booting. You can still use the system, but it won't autoboot after that -- you'll need to type 'boot' at the console. > I might have odd thichwire cables, but then I have 3 of them > ! hummmmm! Um -- you do know that AUI ports really aren't designed to talk directly to one another, right? You need an AUI multiplexer or a transceiver on each port. (You can make a crossover cable, but that's a different story and doesn't always work well -- so I hear.) The transceivers will have (male) plugs with the small metal knobs on them, and the port will have (female) plugs with the clips that hook into those knobs. The AUI cables usually (AFAIK) have one of each end. At any rate, it's ok to ignore, better if you terminate it eventually, or better yet if you just plug it into a working network ;) Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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TK50Z-GA and MicroVax 3100/90?

by bob_lafleur＠technologist.com

I will shortly be receiving a MicroVax 3100/90 and a TK50Z-GA tape drive. Both have SCSI, and I assumed they would work together. However, I just read something that seems to imply the TK50Z-GA is "incompatible" SCSI, and will only work on the MicroVax 2000. Can anyone confirm this either way? If it will work, what type of SCSI cable will I need - a standard one, or some proprietary one? If it won't work, is there any way to "fix" the TK50Z-GA so that it will? Thanks. - Bob

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[CCTECH] QBUS backplanes, potentially free for shipping

by thompson＠new.rr.com

I will probably have some empty BA213 QBUS housings available free for shipping. I will know if I want to grab these if I find anyone interested in them and if I can find a box big enough to hold them as I have little use for them myself. One is a pedestal enclosure which orignally housed a DECserver 500 and features 12 slots of Q-CD goodness and a single H7868 power supply. I mention this because it appears that DEC shipped some sort variation of the 213 for the DECserver 500 which did not support a second power supply. The spot for the card edge backplane connector is there where the second H7868 would plug in but no connector is present. Obviously it would not be a big trick to rig some sort of separate power supply for drives or tapes. The other unit is from a rackmount DECserver 550 and appears to have a more normally configured BA213 with space for two working power supplies, although none are included. Either of these units might help give your QBUS Microvax some Q22 breathing room. On a related note, I recall that there was some ability to convert the KDJ11 module for this DECserver into a working PDP 11/xx (83+?) with a PROM swap? Does anyone know more about this and its feasibility? Paul -- _______________________________________________ cctech mailing list cctech(a)classiccmp.org http://www.classiccmp.org/mailman/listinfo/cctech

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The Secret Life of Vector Graphics

by spc＠conman.org

I sent this to the CCTECH list maybe six hours ago and haven't seen it yet. I figured I'd try to the CCTALK list just in case, and it is definitely on topic. This webpage goes over the inner workings of a vector graphics generator (as used in arcade games circa 1979-83). Quite interesting: http://www.jmargolin.com/vgens/vgens.htm -spc (Enjoy ... )

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IBM 5100 on Ebay

by norm-classiccmp＠docnorm.com

Most likely everyone who'd be interested in this has already gotten notice of it from their saved searches, but ... take a look at http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2026242813 It's a 5100 with BASIC only. As I write this, the auction has 9 days to go and bidding is up to $995 ... yow! Norm

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[CCTALK] [CCTECH] scanners & circuit boards...

by Lee.Davison＠merlincommunications.com

Since we are talking about scratched glass, do you have any ideas on how to remove scratches from the face of a CRT? I use Jewelers rouge I got from a Jeweler friend many years ago. It works well on surface scratches such as those you get from laying the monitor on the tube face. Lee. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- This email is intended only for the above named addressee(s). The information contained in this email may contain information which is confidential. The views expressed in this email are personal to the sender and do not in any way reflect the views of the company. If you have received this email and you are not a named addressee please delete it from your system and contact Merlin Communications International IT Department on +44 20 7344 5888. ________________________________________________________________________ This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star Internet. The service is powered by MessageLabs. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit: http://www.star.net.uk ________________________________________________________________________

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TK50Z-GA and MicroVax 3100/90?

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Ethan Dicks [mailto:erd_6502@yahoo.com] > Perhaps. Large RD-series drives are somewhat rare these days. I will say that with a (pretty common) seagate 40M disk, you can get a bare install of VMS 5.5 on there, and that's more than enough to drive a tk50 and transfer files to other systems over DECNet. Could also netboot it from the other system. > single memory card over 4MB (and only one ethernet module). The uVAX Really? I don't believe I've ever seen one without the ethernet module. That is to say, the cable that comes out of the ethernet ports on all of the ones I've seen is always plugged into something. I know that the ethernet was optional, and that the co-ax/aui ports were there whether the board is there or not. > MMJ adapter is also somewhat hard to find unless you get it with the > computer (it fits over the DA15/DE9 and give you three serial ports > from the mouse/keyboard/console ports) Were they sold apart from the systems? I wouldn't expect them to be available in most cases apart from a system that was sold as a MicroVAX. That said, DEC was supposedly very prolific with these systems, and you ought to be able to get plenty of parts for them. The extreme configurations (color graphics, 8/12[?]MB memory options, etc) are going to be more difficult. The median seems to be b&w VAXStation, ethernet, 4M RAM option. That kind of thing ought to be pretty easy to find. The "box" that the 2000s set on, which exposed the SCSI port, etc, is a bit harder to find, but there are a few around. More common on the "MicroVAX" variant, so if you have the choice, go for one of these. (Unless, of course, the VAXStation would give you the color framebuffer, or a large memory board) Also, you have a better chance of finding a disk in the "MicroVAX" systems, too. The VAXStations (more common too, I think) were lots of times run diskless. It's interesting, because they put "load boards" in them for that. Basically these are resistor packs that load the PSU up so that it won't panic due to the lack of disks. They're nice to have for -- for instance -- running a system with no disk, or use with Wolfgang Moeller's SCSI drivers for these systems. (Which I've not tried yet, but will eventually, supposedly, you can put SCSI disks in them that way. It's _very_ unsupported, of course :) > If all you want is a disk formatter, though, a uVAX-2000 with no > ethernet, 4MB of RAM and no disk should be cheap. Honestly, any 2000 you find will probably be reasonably cheap (like in the $20 range, max) At best, you'll find one in a scrap pile somewhere. They're solid systems, so even if it's gotten left in a warehouse for ages, I wouldn't expect much trouble with it. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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[CCTALK] [CCTECH] scanners & circuit boards...

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

>From: ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk >Subject: Re: [CCTALK] [CCTECH] scanners & circuit boards... > >> Hi Tony >> You can order the right stuff for optical work from >> places like Newport Glass and William-Bell. You can also > >Anyone know a UK equivalent -- a company that sells optical abrasives? >And for that matter optical adhesives and glasses? Or can I assume that >because almost no real science/engineering is done over here any more >that such companies don't exist? > >-tony > > Hi Tony You might contact Stephen Tonkin at webmaster(a)astunit.com. He is in the UK and is also a telescope maker. I'm sure he can point you to some place with supplies. I'm not sure what Doc is talking about with Cerium oxide. It cleans up well and is a little off white in color ( sometimes a little yellowish ). Rouge is really messy and will stain everything. I've not worked wit chromium oxide so I can't say it is better or worse that cerium oxide but I don't know how it could be a powder and be any better. Dwight

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Free stuff!

by root＠diablonet.net

Hi everyone! I'm not sure if this list is even active anymore, but let's hope that this message will get routed to its proper destination. Essentially, I'm cleaning out part of my basement, and I have a ton of stuff that I really don't want anymore. I am offering it free of charge to anyone willing to come out to Kalamazoo, Michgan and pick it up. Here's what I've got: * IBM PS/2 Model 50Z, partially stripped. * NCR System 3300, no HDD (scsi), floppy, or MCA cards. * DEC VT420, some scratches on screen but works AFAIK. * Apple Power Mac 7200/90 and 7200/120, stripped, although if someone wants them, I'll put them more or less back together sans RAM and HDD (scsi). * IBM ThinkPad 750 laptop, for parts. * Compaq Contura 420CX laptop, for parts. * Toshiba T3100 (gas plasma screen) laptop, for parts. * Roughly three large cardboard boxes full of boards, including some of the following items. 1. 8088, 8086, 80286, 80386, and 80486 motherboards and CPUs 2. LOTS of ISA cards, including video, I/O, hard disk controllers (even some hardcards), LocalTalk cards, networking, etc. 3. Some VLB cards, mostly video, although some I/O and hard disk controllers are also around, I believe. * Data General dual 5.25" floppy drive, rack mount. I don't know if it works or not, but it seems to be in good condition. * USRobotics TotalControl rackmount chassis with network management card, around 15-20 modem cards, dual power suppies, and some other stuff. I've got a bunch of cables for it, too. I'm currently using it as a table, but if someone wants it, I'd be glad to get rid of it. :) * Token ring hardware -- lots of nice 3Com/Madge/Proteon cards and some MAU/CAU units. * Some other stuff, maybe -- PS/2 Model 5x and 70 systems, Commodore 64 equipment, etc. In general, I've got a TON of stuff sitting around here that I'd really like to get rid of. If there's no interest, most of it's going to go in the trash in a couple of weeks here. If you might be interested in paying me a visit (or having a proxy do so), please contact me and we can get something worked out -- I hate throwing stuff away, but I really want the space! Thanks! Sean BTW -- I've also got a fully loaded, functional PDP-11/34a system in my basement and a broken RX02 dual 8" floppy drive laying around. I'm not really looking to get rid of it PER SE, but I do realize that I will probably never do much with it. Therefore, if anyone might be interested in making trades of interesting equipment (e.g. larger SGI systems, LISP machines, strange Xerox computers, etc), please contact me as well, and perhaps we can get something worked out! -- Sean Caron http://www.diablonet.net scaron(a)engin.umich.edu root(a)diablonet.net

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[CCTECH] Secret life of Vector Generators

by spc＠conman.org

This webpage goes over the inner workings of a vector graphics generator (as used in arcade games circa 1979-80). Quite interesting: http://www.jmargolin.com/vgens/vgens.htm -spc (Enjoy ... ) _______________________________________________ cctech mailing list cctech(a)classiccmp.org http://www.classiccmp.org/mailman/listinfo/cctech

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need a map through the MSV11 Qbus memory jungle

by gunther＠aurora.regenstrief.org

[This is a repost because classiccmp ignored it the first time around. I tries cc to cctalk just to test. And copy to Jay West to be sure he gets an exact copy of the message I'm sending.] Hi, in my VAX 11/780 I have the PDP-11/03 alias KC780. And it has the following memory board right now: M7944 MSV11-B Q 4-Kword 16-bit MOS RAM (external refresh) But, since I'm planning to upgrade to an 11/785 I need additional RAM. When it showed up on ePay I buyed a M8044-DA MSV11-DD Q 32-Kword 16-bit MOS RAM but the boot program will not load with this. Why would that be? From the error I got it appeared as if may be there is just some jumpering to do, but I have no clue as to where and what. Looking at the UNIBUS/Q bus field guide beginning from M7944 and then scanning forward to the next MSV11 I find: M7955-AD MSV11-CD Q 16-Kword 16-bit MOS RAM with on-board refresh and then the family of M8044s M8044-AA MSV11-DA Q 4-Kword 16-bit MOS RAM M8044-AA (Also M8044-AB, -AC, -AD) M8044-AA Refs: EK-MSVI1-OP, MP-00566 M8044-BA MSV11-DB Q 8-Kword 16-bit MOS RAM M8044-BA (Also M8044-BB, -BC, -BD) M8044-BA Refs: EK-MSVI1-OP, MP-00566 M8044-CA MSV11-DC Q 16-Kword 16-bit MOS RAM M8044-CA (Also M8044-CB, -CC, -CD, -CE, -CF, -CH, -CL, -CM) M8044-CA Refs: EK-MSVI1-OP, MP-00566 M8044-DA MSV11-DD Q 32-Kword 16-bit MOS RAM M8044-DA (Also M8044-DB, -DC, -DD, -DE, -DF, -DH, -DL, -DM) M8044-DA Refs: EK-MSVI1-OP, MP-00566 Does that mean that I should have the M7955-AD RAM instead? This is confusing. And I'm not even asking for Q22 bus or PMI memory stuff. What's the thing I'm missing? thanks, -Gunther -- Gunther Schadow, M.D., Ph.D. gschadow(a)regenstrief.org Medical Information Scientist Regenstrief Institute for Health Care Adjunct Assistant Professor Indiana University School of Medicine tel:1(317)630-7960 http://aurora.regenstrief.org -- Gunther Schadow, M.D., Ph.D. gschadow(a)regenstrief.org Medical Information Scientist Regenstrief Institute for Health Care Adjunct Assistant Professor Indiana University School of Medicine tel:1(317)630-7960 http://aurora.regenstrief.org

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AMD 2901 Microcode Meta-Assembler

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

>From: "Ken Seefried" <ken(a)seefried.com> > > >Does anyone know of a free or cheap, usable meta-assembler for AMD 2901 >microcode? Or anyone have one they want to get rid of? > >Ken > Hi Ken I wrote one once in Forth for a 2901 project. It was relatively trivial ( at least in Forth since the essense of Forth is to change Forth into the application and not to write the application in Forth ). It would be difficult to have a good general purpose meta-assembler since the variety of ways to wire up a bitslice are so great that a "one size fits all" would be difficult. In my case, I just coded up the bit fields of my controller ( some of the bits ran outside hardware ) with meaningful names. It put things into a binary image file that I first blew EPROMs with and later, after debug, faster ROMs. I was years ago but these really are not that hard to write. Dwight

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Thanks a bunch!

by Antonio.Carlini＠riverstonenet.com

>Well, several of us have print sets for these. If someone will scan them in, And some of us have already scanned their 750 printsets and sent them in. It's the *750* tech manuals and the *780* printsets that are not available anywhere (AFAIK)> >i will send him my 11/750 print set. It's hard to read in some places but >to my knowledge it is complete (its about three inches thick :-) If you meant me, no don't send me a 750 printset: I think I have two anyway :-) Now a 780 printset would be good (but you'll find it not too cheap to send it to the UK (and it seems to be about *double* the price to send it back!). There must be one in the UK (or someone in the US with a suitable scanner ...) Antonio

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MDA 1802 board (was Re: Any stories of Dayton?)

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

>From: "Ken Seefried" <ken(a)seefried.com> > >> http://www.decodesystems.com/help-wanted/1802-board.html > >STDBus 1802 board? > >Ken > > Hi I think from what Dan says, it isn't a STDBus. I think STDBus is 50 pin. This board has a 44 pin connector. This is similar to what was used on the COSMAC stuff. Maybe it is compatable with that?? ( also used on the KIM/SIM stuff ). Of course, it may just be some propietary bus. Dwight

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11/23+ Settings

by Antonio.Carlini＠riverstonenet.com

>SC41MS.pdf was an Emulex manual that probably wasn't >from moremanuals --apologies. To be fair it is a PDF that >has been OCR'ed down to text, then recomposed as the >document it was. Probably beyond the scope of this >discussion. Here's another** example, > ENIAC press release (3 pages / 48 K) > http://americanhistory.si.edu/csr/comphist/pr1.pdf >although admittedly from people with a lot more time and >money on their hands. The main reason I scan at 600 dpi and not save space by dropping to 300 dpi is that the current crop of OCR software seems (in my limited experience) to produce better results with 600 dpi. (I cannot go higher than 600 anyway, but I probably would not bother with 1200dpi because the OCR stuff I have won't even accept it). I'd rather scan the manuals once and wait 10 years for OCR to get to the stage that it can handle the docs with maybe one error per 100/pages (rather than the current standard of multiple errors per page ...). I don't really want to be going back and doing it again! The long term goal is definitely OCR. Although by the time it's good enough we may well all have OC48 feeds to the home and C3D recordable 125GB drives so there may be no need :-) >I did notice that many of the moremanuals pages tend to >show a scanning line when the're first displayed, as if true >white is noisy in some way --it either is light grey or contains >significant dot content. Is that when a page is first displayed (i.e. for each change of page) or just the first page? I assume that you download and then view locally (I have issues with both NS & IE when trying to use then to view local PDFs via HTML ... I assume it would be even worse with a download thrown in for good measure!) >BTW thanks for doing all the work! No problem. I'm was backing up my manuals just in case and then saw others making theirs available and followed suite. I just forgot to stop when I ran out of my own manuals ... >**a pretty spectacular example showing the alignment > problems of the original typewriter, etc. Parent page: > http://americanhistory.si.edu/csr/comphist An interesting PDF. They get strange changes of font on pages 2 & 3 - I wonder if the original has that or whether it's just an artifact of the OCR. A mixture of text and background image (which is also text). I wonder if they might be interested in converting the multiple hundreds of manuals that live on the current crop of DEC document web sites ... Antonio

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11/23+ Settings

by Antonio.Carlini＠riverstonenet.com

> Ben Franchuk wrote: >John Allain wrote: >> >> > Rather than pdf, consider ... LOT more compact >> >> How PDFs are made will effect their size. >> On the moremanuals site I found some files >> like m3100ma1.pdf at 800+KByte/page >> and others, like SC41MS.pdf at 12-KBytes/page >> it depends on the tools and care used. > >So what is the right tool! The stuff I've scanned (like m3100ma1.pdf mentioned above) is usually US Letter size and done at 600 dpi bi-tonal (1 bit per pixel). The scanner happens to LZW encode the TIFF file. There is no option to G4 encode. That usually turns out to be 200-400KB/page but it so happens that one page in that manual did not look too good. So I redid that one page as greyscale (8 bits per pixel) and that just so happens to be over 50% of the total file size (i.e. wipe that one page and you are looking at more like 400KB/page). It's only 14 pages or so, hence one greyscale page makes a big difference. I've seen someone else quote figures of 50-70KB/page for G4 encoded 300 dpi scans of TOPS manuals, which I assume are the typical US Letter size. Obviously going to 600dpi might be expected to produce a factor of 4 increase (i.e. 200-300KB). Or it might not - who can say with compression! I don't see a SC41MS.pdf on that page so I have no idea of the scanning resolution or the encoding. >Can one re-convert PDP^HF files? I've found that using Acrobat 5 in the office I can covert PDF to individual G4 TIFFs (although this is *slow* but it is unattended) and I can then re-import these (in groups of 50 max) which is reasonably quick. But it sucks away time. So if anyone else needs them cut down, be my guest :-) For the few that I've had to process manually (i.e. book format, with pages individually scanned as all-odd-ones, all-even-ones) the conversion to G4 TIFF is a part of the process I use to stitch everything back together in reasonable time. In that case I'm seeing a reduction of maybe 25% in size (although I've not tried to measure it on a reasonable sample ... so don't quote me). If the scanner gets an upgrade that allows it to do G4 TIFF, I'll certainly use it. If a tool turns up that can do unattended conversion of TIFF-in-PDF -> G4 TIFF (or better yet, G4-TIFF-in-PDF) I'll certainly use it. Antonio

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Any stories of Dayton?

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

Hi Dan I'm not sure but it looks like it may be a "Standard Bus" type board. I don't recall the pin combinations but it looks like the same form factor. There are a lot of different Standard Bus manufactures and you should be able to get cards and back planes easily. Count the pins and look the spec up on the web and see if it looks the same. Dwight >From: "Dan Veeneman" <dan(a)ekoan.com> > >At 03:10 PM 5/21/02 -0700, Ethan Dicks wrote: >>--- Dan Veeneman <dan(a)ekoan.com> wrote: >> > Circuit board with a socketed 1802 microprocessor >> >>How about a picture? (the 1802 is one of my favorites) > >Sure. A few pictures can now be found here: > >http://www.decodesystems.com/help-wanted/1802-board.html > > >Cheers, > >Dan >http://www.decodesystems.com/wanted.html > >

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Hp200 data cartridge, Intel MDS 800

by lemay＠cs.umn.edu

Inside the box of floppies for the Intel MDS 800, was a single tape cartridge. Its a HP200, certified data cartridge, series 9800. Is this something that can be used with a MDS 800, or is it something that someone else needs? -Lawrence LeMay lemay(a)cs.umn.edu

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VAXStation 2000 (Was: TK50Z-GA and MicroVax 3100/90?)

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Rod Young [mailto:rodyoung@shaw.ca] > I actually have a DEC printer adapter (MMJ->9pin) which kind > of works in the > 9pin port on the VS2000 (I think) as it does display some > text... but not > all from what I can tell. Appears to only report lines with > "?" marks... > which are warnings and "??" marks I assume are errors. I get > a ?? on the It's odd that it works at all. :) Even stranger if you really are only getting lines with ? in them ;) Are you getting the "dead sergeant?" It looks like: >>> Do you see the system counting down in hex? (From F to 1, I think) > device line "1" (ethernet) and thought I read somewhere that > the thinwire > had to be terminated or forget it... and given the 9 pin Forget what? That will prevent an auto-boot, but won't keep the system from operating. It's not serious; just serious enough that they wanted to wait for some console input before going ahead. Go ahead and try booting it. > Yes, tried hooking up the AUI port too, but the thickwire > cables I have > won't fit! The gender is fine, but both the cables and the > AUI port on the > VS have the locking posts. I seem to be hitting dead ends That's odd :) They might be strange cables. > all over... but > will try to connect the thinwire to resolve the "??" > reported, and also make > a proper 9pin cable, then will see where that gets me. If you're getting the prompt, the counting in hex, and the CPU ID (something like KAXXX-XX, I think), you're doing fine in the cable department. I suppose if not, maybe the VAX prints its errors to all the ports on bootup. In that case, it won't take input from that port, and you'll need to get the right cable to tell it to boot. You still don't absolutely have to get the network connected, though. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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MDA 1802 board (was Re: Any stories of Dayton?)

by ken＠seefried.com

> http://www.decodesystems.com/help-wanted/1802-board.html STDBus 1802 board? Ken

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FW: [CCTECH] FW: VAX hardware in Canada...

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

Yes, I'm short-circuiting the cctech->cctalk posting system, but this hasn't gone through yet, and I'd like everyone to have a (somewhat) fair shot at this... This has nothing against our wonderful moderators at all. I can understand that they may be busy. -- > BTW, is it appropriate to (re)post classic hardware for sale, to the > CCTECH list? I would think so, since none of us want to see it get > scrapped... > > In my daily browsing of the newsgroups, I happened upon this pretty > nice setup. I'd try to grab it for myself if I could, but alas... > > *** Reply to Les (les(a)uwo.ca), not me... > > Subject: VAX Hardware Anyone? > Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 16:09:28 -0400 > From: "Les Flodrowski" <les(a)uwo.ca> > Organization: The University of Western Ontario, London, Ont. Canada > Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec > > We have a dual VAX 4500a (4000-500a) cluster to dispose of. > > It consists of the following components: > > - 2 VAX 4500a systems clustered with the following storage arrays > - R400X DSSI Storage cabinet with 6 x DSSI 1.0GB - 1.6GB drives > - StorageWorks cabinet with 3 x 4.3GB SCSI drives > - TX87 DLT Tape drive > - TU81 Plus Magtape drive > - VAX 4500a system complete spare > > At this time we are simply trying to find out if there is > any interest in the community for these systems. If you are > interested, and would like to make a serious offer, please > contact me. > > BTW, we also have all media and documentation for VAX/VMS and > a number of related applications. > > --- > > Les Flodrowski, les(a)uwo.ca > Phone: 519 661 3595 > The University of Western Ontario > > ===================================== > -- > --- David A Woyciesjes > --- C & IS Support Specialist > --- Yale University Press > --- (203) 432-0953 > --- ICQ # - 905818 > Mac OS X 10.1 - Darwin Kernel Version 5 > Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash > _______________________________________________ > cctech mailing list > cctech(a)classiccmp.org > http://www.classiccmp.org/mailman/listinfo/cctech > >

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[Semi-OT] Seeking Alpha Pc 104 Motherboard

by dougq＠iglou.com

The subject of my query isn't 10 years old yet, but since it's DEC equipment and there are many DEC fans here, I'd like to post it anyway. About six months ago, a list member offered me one of these Alpha ATX-factor motherboards for a very reasonable price. As often happens with many of us, the deal has not gone through. If anyone else still subscribing has a cache of these and is willing to part with one I'd appreciate it. I'd prefer a trade for a Calcomp Digi-Board III digitizer tablet with 16-button puck, but I could also trade a Mac Quadra 700 or Quadra 650 (as I have a couple extra). I also might have other trade-worthy items; just write me and we can discuss it. Thanks in advance, -doug q -Douglas Hurst Quebbeman (DougQ at ixnayamspayIgLou.com) [Call me "Doug"] Surgically excise the pig-latin from my e-mail address in order to reply "The large print giveth, and the small print taketh away."

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11/23+ Settings

by Antonio.Carlini＠riverstonenet.com

> > My bad, I don't have a 11/34, I meant a 11/23+. The question stands, though. > I have the KDF11-AA (11/23?) and KDF11-BA (11/23B) manuals scanned as PDF. I don't know if the KDF11-B (M8189) is what you ahve in your system (but I think that's what a PLUS is). There is also a KDJ11 manual on the net. That's obviously several hundred more pages than you might care to read, but if noone has a canned config for you, this might be what you have to do. Antonio

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TK50Z-GA and MicroVax 3100/90?

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Rod Young [mailto:rodyoung@shaw.ca] > Yes, 2MB on board, but I'm looking for something bigger than > the 4MB (it's Me too ;) > I'm just getting the unit going, and need the BNC terminators > to make the You know that you can also use an AUI terminator if your 2000 has an AUI port? I think this goes without saying... :) > ethernet happy, and also a cable ...08 to make the 9pin a > console port (as > this is a VS2000). It's a simple straight-through serial cable with pins 8 and 9 tied together on the machine end. Nothing fancy. You can make one up in five minutes with parts from radio shark. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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11/23+ Settings

by borisg＠unixg.ubc.ca

I couldn't help noticing this paragraph: >Do you have anywhere I can FTP it to? >The full manual will be in the region >of 200MB. Rather than pdf, consider using DjVu; it's a LOT more compact (I recompressed some pages from the RT-11 Software support manual that I'd scanned a while ago with DjVu, and went from about 900 Kb/page to 30-40 Kb/page). Needless to say, I was very impressed. The DjVu viewer plugin for various browsers if free, and a program which scans images to individual files is also free from http://www.djvu.com/. I first heard about DjVu on this list, and it is one of the neatest pieces of compression software that I've seen. Boris Gimbarzevsky

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need a map through the MSV11 Qbus memory jungle

by Antonio.Carlini＠riverstonenet.com

> Gunther Schadow wrote: > >in my VAX 11/780 I have the PDP-11/03 alias KC780. And it has >the following memory board right now: > >M7944 MSV11-B Q 4-Kword 16-bit MOS RAM (external refresh) > >But, since I'm planning to upgrade to an 11/785 I need additional >RAM. When it showed up on ePay I buyed a > >M8044-DA MSV11-DD Q 32-Kword 16-bit MOS RAM > >but the boot program will not load with this. Why would that be? I'm at home now and I've been able to check some manuals, without too much luck though. The "LSI-11, PDP-11/03 user's manual" discusses the KD11-F (M7264) and KD11-J (M7264-YA) which seems to be the same module with no RAM and packaged differently. I don't know whether that's the module used in the 11/780 console. I'm sure it's in one of those manuals, but I bet you can find out quicker by looking :-) It also discusses usage (and jumpering) of the MSV11-B (M7944) 4K memory board. If your LSI CPU is the M7264(-YA) then you probably want this manual anyway. I also have a copy of the MSV11-P User Guide but that discusses the M8067-LA, -KA, -FA which are 256K, 128K and 64K boards. Maybe useful as a general reference but probably not applicable to jumpering your stuff. My random guess is either you have the refresh wrong or the memory board starting address is wrong. Sadly, even if the guess is right, neither of these manuals are likely to help you sort it out. Let me know if you want them ftp'd somewhere anyway. Antonio

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TK50Z-GA and MicroVax 3100/90?

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Rod Young [mailto:rodyoung@shaw.ca] > anyone have an *extra* memory for the MV2000? Define extra. :) You know they have 2M on board, right? Do you have one without any add-in memory option? I've honestly never seen one like that. Again, I have plenty of "spare" VAXStation 2000 stuff, but I'd like to stay away from committing to ship anything just now. The only memory options I have are 2 and 4M boards, which would give you a total of either 4 or 6M. You do know that you can only fit one RAM board in a system, right? Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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Thanks a bunch!

by Antonio.Carlini＠riverstonenet.com

Gunther Schadow wrote: >Whoever scanned the KA780 and FP780 "Technical Description" documents >and put them up on the moremaniuals site ought to be given thanks >and praise! I scanned all those 11/780 docs and sent them along to DFWCUG but the real praise should go to Alain Nierveze who sent copies of the manuals to me in the post for scanning. >These are wonderful in depth description that I had been >searching for and that none of the "architecture manuals" etc. >ever delivered. These are certainly "old-style" DEC technical manuals. They virtually describe the machine down to the individual chips. All we need now is a full set of prints for the VAX-11/780 ... or a full set of tech manuals for the VAX-11/750 (or VAX-11/730) and someone can then do a full implementation in an FPGA :-) Antonio

24 years, 3 months

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TK50Z-GA and MicroVax 3100/90?

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Ethan Dicks [mailto:erd_6502@yahoo.com] > Not AFAIK. It's the TK50Z-FA doesn't play nice with others. Well, then he should be fine ;) Sorry -- I have both, and haven't paid much attention to model numbers for a while. > > Well, I've never heard of anyone getting it to work with anything > > else. :) You could try it. It's the one without the ID selector, > > right? > Nope... the -FA is lacking the ID selector (device '5' always, ISTR) > and doesn't like sharing the bus with anyone else. That's interesting -- so you might be able to plug it into a MicroVAX 3100 with dual SCSI busses, for instance, if you allowed it to take the whole bus for itself. (what a waste :) > you could put -FA ROMs in it for use with a MicroVAX 2000, but I Probably would need set to ID 5. > don't know that you are required to do that. I don't own a -GA > to test the theory, just a few -FAs. I have one, but really would rather not swap the ROMs around just now. I'll eventually get a programmer and save the ROMs in everything I've got to a CD or something like that -- at that point, maybe I'll try it. > You will not enjoy depending on a TK50 as a primary backup device. > It holds 95MB *max* per tape (it streams and if there isn't any Not so bad, considering that people were "backing up" to zip disks only recently, which hold 95MB max. > data, it writes filler) and takes multiple passes to read one tape > (the head physically moves up and down to read different portions > of the tape on each pass). It is *sloooow*. Personally, I prefer Yes, that's a problem... > 1600 bpi magtape to the TK50, even though it take at least two reels > for equivalent capacity. I like them better than QIC- ... well, QIC-anything. :) If I were recommending backup for this machine, though, I'd say a cheap 4mm (DDS), or 8mm (D8) drive would be great. Forget about hardware compression, though, just to be safe. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

24 years, 3 months

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TK50Z-GA and MicroVax 3100/90?

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Lafleur [mailto:bob_lafleur@technologist.com] > Maybe it would be easier to get a MicroVAX 2000 to hook the > TK50Z-GA to! > I bare-bones MV2000 must be fairly inexpensive, right? Anyone got any > extras?! Well, if after reading Ethan's post (which says I got my models backwards, and your drive ought to work ok...) you'd still like one, I have a few, but you'd need to be willing to pick one up, since I'm not so sure about shipping anything just now. I'm still behind on shipping things. (Sorry Owen!) Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

24 years, 3 months

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Amiga 4000 with Toaster

by mythtech＠mac.com

>Also keep in mind that you need time stable sources for the video >inputs. If you want to use VHS VCR's you'll be disappointed, and you'll >need a couple full fram TBC's as well. As a video professional, I'd >think twice before getting a Toaster for hobby video . . . the new >digital cameras and digital editing is far easier to implement. The draw backs aren't really going to matter after all... your initial price of $400 puts one out of my price range. I can't very well even justify it for using it for editing when I have a perfectly good firewire setup with my DV Cam and iMac that so far is doing everything I need. I would like a 2nd video deck, so I would rather put the money towards a 2nd camera. (that is why I stopped hunting for a good deal on an SVHS editing system... as much as I would love to have one some day, they are still too expensive for me to justify when I can do everything with my camera and iMac) I was kind of hoping by some miracle, the 4000 with Toaster would be almost worthless, and I could have gotten away with offering a very low price. Alas, it appears to be worth some money like I figured it was. Thanks for the info. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

24 years, 3 months

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Any stories of Dayton?

by wh.sudbrink＠verizon.net

I wasn't able to go. Does anyone have any tales of great classiccmp finds? Or any other stories?

24 years, 3 months

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DEC machines that can't format a disk (Was: Good Trip/Score Dec Rainbow...)

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk [mailto:ard@p850ug1.demon.co.uk] > Actually the 'bow is one of the few DEC machines that can > format its own > disks, and there was even a formatter program included with later Does this annoy anyone else? That the systems can't format their own media, I mean :) Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

24 years, 3 months

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11/23+ Settings

by dougq＠iglou.com

> > Rather than pdf, consider ... LOT more compact > > How PDFs are made will effect their size. > On the moremanuals site I found some files > like m3100ma1.pdf at 800+KByte/page > and others, like SC41MS.pdf at 12-KBytes/page > it depends on the tools and care used. Very true. I like DjVu, and was the source (I think) of Boris finding out about it... But I still prefer PDFs. I scan text-only pages at 600dpi in line-art mode, which creates hi-res bitmaps instead of greyscale files. While intuition might say that greyscale is better, when printed, most people will not be able to tell the difference. For pages with extremely detailed info, I use 1200dpi line art; for photos, I use greyscale, and do my best to clean them up. Halftone images require de-screening. -dq

24 years, 3 months

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computer sales -- now only on e-bay???

by bfranchuk＠jetnet.ab.ca

Is the classic computer sources finally drying up to become E-bay collector items only so most people can't see a real machine anymore? -- Ben Franchuk - Dawn * 12/24 bit cpu * www.jetnet.ab.ca/users/bfranchuk/index.html

24 years, 3 months

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by Antonio.Carlini＠riverstonenet.com

>Rather than pdf, consider using DjVu; it's a >LOT more compact (I recompressed some pages >from the RT-11 Software support manual that >I'd scanned a while ago with DjVu, and went >from about 900 Kb/page to 30-40 Kb/page). >Needless to say, I was very impressed. 900KB/page seems high. The scanner I use produces LZW compressed TIFFs and wraps them in PDF - that ends up in the 200-250KB/page for US Letter size at 600dpi. Getting to 30-40KB/page with *lossless* compression would certainly be very impressive. However, it's taken pdf quite a while to become the defacto standard. I doubt that it will lose that mantle until something else comes along with (at the very least) an openly published spec. Anyway, I use PDF because that's what the scanner gives me. If someone wants to convert to some other format, that's absolutely fine by me. >The DjVu viewer plugin for various browsers if free, and a program which scans images to individual files is >also free from http://www.djvu.com/. I first heard about DjVu on this list, and it is one of the neatest >pieces of compression software that I've seen. Thanks for the pointer - I'll try to give it a go sometime soon. Is the compression lossless (I took a quick look at their pages and could not tell). Is the format published i.e. could I write my own viewer. I don't think I would want to, but I'd be much happier if I knew I could if I absolutely had to (I didn't see any OpenVMS support on their pages ...) Antonio

24 years, 3 months

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need a map through the MSV11 Qbus memory jungle

by gunther＠aurora.regenstrief.org

Hi, in my VAX 11/780 I have the PDP-11/03 alias KC780. And it has the following memory board right now: M7944 MSV11-B Q 4-Kword 16-bit MOS RAM (external refresh) But, since I'm planning to upgrade to an 11/785 I need additional RAM. When it showed up on ePay I buyed a M8044-DA MSV11-DD Q 32-Kword 16-bit MOS RAM but the boot program will not load with this. Why would that be? From the error I got it appeared as if may be there is just some jumpering to do, but I have no clue as to where and what. Looking at the UNIBUS/Q bus field guide beginning from M7944 and then scanning forward to the next MSV11 I find: M7955-AD MSV11-CD Q 16-Kword 16-bit MOS RAM with on-board refresh and then the family of M8044s M8044-AA MSV11-DA Q 4-Kword 16-bit MOS RAM M8044-AA (Also M8044-AB, -AC, -AD) M8044-AA Refs: EK-MSVI1-OP, MP-00566 M8044-BA MSV11-DB Q 8-Kword 16-bit MOS RAM M8044-BA (Also M8044-BB, -BC, -BD) M8044-BA Refs: EK-MSVI1-OP, MP-00566 M8044-CA MSV11-DC Q 16-Kword 16-bit MOS RAM M8044-CA (Also M8044-CB, -CC, -CD, -CE, -CF, -CH, -CL, -CM) M8044-CA Refs: EK-MSVI1-OP, MP-00566 M8044-DA MSV11-DD Q 32-Kword 16-bit MOS RAM M8044-DA (Also M8044-DB, -DC, -DD, -DE, -DF, -DH, -DL, -DM) M8044-DA Refs: EK-MSVI1-OP, MP-00566 Does that mean that I should have the M7955-AD RAM instead? This is confusing. And I'm not even asking for Q22 bus or PMI memory stuff. What's the thing I'm missing? thanks, -Gunther -- Gunther Schadow, M.D., Ph.D. gschadow(a)regenstrief.org Medical Information Scientist Regenstrief Institute for Health Care Adjunct Assistant Professor Indiana University School of Medicine tel:1(317)630-7960 http://aurora.regenstrief.org

24 years, 3 months

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need a map through the MSV11 Qbus memory jungle

by Antonio.Carlini＠riverstonenet.com

>in my VAX 11/780 I have the PDP-11/03 alias KC780. And it has >the following memory board right now: > >M7944 MSV11-B Q 4-Kword 16-bit MOS RAM (external refresh) > >But, since I'm planning to upgrade to an 11/785 I need additional >RAM. When it showed up on ePay I buyed a > >M8044-DA MSV11-DD Q 32-Kword 16-bit MOS RAM > >but the boot program will not load with this. Why would that be? > From the error I got it appeared as if may be there is just some >jumpering to do, but I have no clue as to where and what. There's some 780 console information at DFWCUG too, but I doubt that it covers this (it's at home and not to hand right now so I cannot check). I do have an 11/03 user guide (with a fair bit of technical info - it's a -TM- part number) and I can ftp that to you if it might help. I can look in it tonight to see if it has any helpful comments. I can also ftp it to you if you don't fancy waiting a month or so for it to appear on DFWCUG. Antonio

24 years, 3 months

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11/23+ Settings

by Antonio.Carlini＠riverstonenet.com

>Well, I'd appreciate it. I do have the M8189. I have found the specs on >that (really brief ones) but they don't tell me enough. The PDF would be >handy. I have the individual pages scanned, I just need to clean it up and put it all together. It should be done by the weekend. Do you have anywhere I can FTP it to? The full manual will be in the region of 200MB. Otherwise you'll either have to wait for it to make it across to the DFWCUG site (maybe another month or so) or I can extract the first couple of chapters which cover specs & installation. That's maybe 30 pages or so and will be between 5MB and 10MB - probably small enough to email as two PDFs (assuming your end can handle that).

24 years, 3 months

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[CCTECH] TI-85 graphing calculator available

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

Skipped content of type multipart/alternative

24 years, 3 months

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Thanks a bunch!

by gunther＠aurora.regenstrief.org

Whoever scanned the KA780 and FP780 "Technical Description" documents and put them up on the moremaniuals site ought to be given thanks and praise! These are wonderful in depth description that I had been searching for and that none of the "architecture manuals" etc. ever delivered. In the end the KA780 description may even obviate how to do the kind of microcode programming that I would like to try, may be to implement some part of a Java virtual machine as native KA780 machine language. (JaVAX-11/780, the true javax :-) cheers, -Gunther -- Gunther Schadow, M.D., Ph.D. gschadow(a)regenstrief.org Medical Information Scientist Regenstrief Institute for Health Care Adjunct Assistant Professor Indiana University School of Medicine tel:1(317)630-7960 http://aurora.regenstrief.org

24 years, 3 months

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found VAXStation 3100 M38 memory

by zmerch＠30below.com

Rumor has it that David Woyciesjes may have mentioned these words: >This guy thinks this set will put the VAXStation3100m38 up to 32 MB >of RAM... Well, it's hard to say if *his* set is the full monty, but I just *happen* to have a VAXStation3100/m38 with 32Meg in it, so it is possible! Shipping on the rest of the VAX shouldn't be that bad -- it's a fairly bulletproof system, and not that big... >And good news is he's got RAM for auction, for my DEC 3000/400! Woo-hoo! Sure... I'm sure you didn't post _that_ link to keep me bidding against you for that -- for my DEC 3000/300! Mine's only got 64Meg; and I heard VMS is rather doggy in that amount... (tho I'd doubt that it'd be any worse than Tru64 Unix, but that's just speculation...) Laterz, Roger "Merch" Merchberger -- Roger "Merch" Merchberger --- sysadmin, Iceberg Computers Recycling is good, right??? Ok, so I'll recycle an old .sig. If at first you don't succeed, nuclear warhead disarmament should *not* be your first career choice.

24 years, 3 months

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found VAXStation 3100 M38 memory

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

> From: Roger Merchberger > > Rumor has it that David Woyciesjes may have mentioned these words: > >This guy thinks this set will put the VAXStation3100m38 up to 32 MB > >of RAM... > > Well, it's hard to say if *his* set is the full monty, but I just *happen* > to have a VAXStation3100/m38 with 32Meg in it, so it is possible! > > Shipping on the rest of the VAX shouldn't be that bad -- it's a fairly > bulletproof system, and not that big... > - Yeah, my 3100m38 has 32MB also. I'm just not positive if he's identifying the boards right. I mean, he's not even positive. :) > >And good news is he's got RAM for auction, for my DEC 3000/400! Woo-hoo! > > Sure... I'm sure you didn't post _that_ link to keep me bidding against > you > for that -- for my DEC 3000/300! Mine's only got 64Meg; and I heard VMS is > rather doggy in that amount... (tho I'd doubt that it'd be any worse than > Tru64 Unix, but that's just speculation...) > - Sorry Roger, it's more of a "Please let me have it! Don't bid on it!" kind of begging... :) Well, wait, IIRC, the 3000/300 uses different kind of memory sticks anyway, doesn't it? -- --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 Mac OS X 10.1 - Darwin Kernel Version 5 Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash

24 years, 3 months

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found VAXStation 3100 M38 memory

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Doc [mailto:doc@mdrconsult.com] > Like most, I'm still looking for the display. Bill Bradford beat me > to the VRE01 at Goodwill this week. And I actually owned > (and operate) > a couple of Classics before any of my DEC stuff. I just didn't know > they were Classics.... You could plug it into an analog multisync that will do sync-on-green and the proper rate -- if you're not adverse to building an adaptor... Err, wait, that would work if you had color, anyway. I guess if you don't mind a green display, or if the other (red, blue) channels wouldn't be harmed by the sync signal, you'd be fine. (That's not my area of expertise, obviously) Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

24 years, 3 months

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[CCTALK] [CCTECH] scanners & circuit boards...

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

>> >> >> Since we are talking about scratched glass, do you >> have any ideas on how to remove scratches from the >> face of a CRT? >> >> I use Jewelers rouge I got from a Jeweler friend many >> years ago. It works well on surface scratches such >> as those you get from laying the monitor on the tube >> face. > >Any particular grade of rouge? I've got a couple of lenses with minor >scratches that would probably benefit from gentle polishing. But the >jeweler's catalogue I've just looked in (H.S. Walsh) lists about a dozen >polishing compounds, none specifically for glass. Or doesn't it matter >too much? Jeweler's rouge is amongst them (and is not too expensive). > >-tony > Hi Tony You can order the right stuff for optical work from places like Newport Glass and William-Bell. You can also use cerium oxide ( what I prefer to use ). It is a liitle less messy than rouge and slightly faster. Dwight

24 years, 3 months

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Intel MDS 800 floppy disks

by lemay＠cs.umn.edu

I have some floppy disks, apparently for an Intel MDS 800 whatever that is. ISIS-III system disk. Also what i'm assuming goes with this, are some CP/M and Quelo 68K assembler software. Any interest? -Lawrence LeMay

24 years, 3 months

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[CCTALK] [CCTECH] scanners & circuit boards...

by Lee.Davison＠merlincommunications.com

Any particular grade of rouge? I've got a couple of lenses with minor scratches that would probably benefit from gentle polishing. But the jeweller's catalogue I've just looked in (H.S. Walsh) lists about a dozen polishing compounds, none specifically for glass. Or doesn't it matter too much? Jeweller's rouge is amongst them (and is not too expensive). I don't really know, what I have is in an unmarked tin that was given to me as being 'the stuff I needed' to polish out some scratches on an oscilloscope CRT face. I've used it since to polish out scratches on other glass items. It's probably best to ask a friendly jeweller for advice before you buy. Lee. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- This email is intended only for the above named addressee(s). The information contained in this email may contain information which is confidential. The views expressed in this email are personal to the sender and do not in any way reflect the views of the company. If you have received this email and you are not a named addressee please delete it from your system and contact Merlin Communications International IT Department on +44 20 7344 5888. ________________________________________________________________________ This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star Internet. The service is powered by MessageLabs. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit: http://www.star.net.uk ________________________________________________________________________

24 years, 3 months

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Finds this week and update on MN Trip

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

Well I got back on Friday evening from my 5 day trip up to MN to pick up some of my stuff still there. We rented a 26 footer from Uhaul but it could not hold everything in one of my 10X20X30 storage units. I had to rent a smaller 5X5X15 unit and leave the stuff there. I'm still unloading the truck (we started late Monday afternoon). I will list some of the good we have found in this load later. I only went out today for about 4 hours and got about 25 different items, but will list only some of them here. 1. hp 2392A terminal - $2 2. Another Mac SE with the factory upgrade HD20 added. - Free 3. IBM 3191 terminal (no key or keyboard) - $2 4. Telecorp Systems Inc. System 606 - $2 5. Radius PrecisionColor Display/20 - Free 6. 2- Apple IIc's no plus's - Both Free 7. Mac Classic - Free 8. Box various cables - Free 9. Sun SPARCstation IPX with a LANCAST ENT-4320 hanging on the rear - $2 10. hp model 715/100 full of memory - $12 11. 3 Atari cartridges, 2 for the 7800 and 1 for the 2600 - 99 cents each That's all I can tell you about the other stuff is too new for the 10 year rule.

24 years, 3 months

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DECstation 5000

by pat＠purdueriots.com

I've got a CD labelled: MasPar System Software Release 3.24 for a DS5000-based MP 9200-0010-B7 Does anyone know what this is? I got this out of a RRD40 drive, so I'm guessing it was for a DECstation 5000. -- Pat

24 years, 3 months

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Misc. VAX (Was: found VAXStation 3100 M38 memory)

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

> From: Christopher Smith > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: David Woyciesjes [mailto:DAW@yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu] > > > > Well, my m38 actually has an lk201, hockey-puck mouse, and 20" > > > color monitor. > > > - oh, quit bragging so loud... ;) > > Well, err... I have a _MicroVAX_ 3100/m38, with a vt320. *duck* ;) > - Ohh, you're just asking for it... To the moon! > > - What's with the mice with two wierd looking button > > things, instead > > of a ball? > > Pretty simple, really. The "button things" spin. Depending on > which axis the mouse is following, one or the other button will > do the spinning because of the way they're tilted. Nice design. I > like them much better than ball mice. > > It seems most people do. Even in my pile of "spare" mice, I only > have one of those. I also have the one on my m38, which was > originally a ball mouse, but got replaced. > - Pretty neat! (After I'm done playing with the "thingies" on my mouse...) > > > Also worth mentioning is that it's one of what I assume was an > > > older series of VAXStation 2000s with no AUI on the back (co-ax > > > only). > > > - Interesting... > > One of perhaps two I've seen like that. I don't know whether to > replace the casing with one that's got the AUI port, or keep it > this way for the novelty. > I'd keep it as-is, for the novelty and rarity of it... -- --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 Mac OS X 10.1 - Darwin Kernel Version 5 Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash

24 years, 3 months

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found VAXStation 3100 M38 memory

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

> From: Doc > > ...I have an Idek Iiyama in starage that ISTR transmogrifies a mono-BNC > input to B&W. I've been procrastinating bringing it home to see. > Doesn't matter, as all my VS3100s have color options. Although I'd > like to be able to do X in NetBSD.... > > Doc > That is something I'd like to have on my 3100. I'm hoping to start some work on getting X & NetBSD running on the mono framebuffer. Granted, I have no idea about programming, but I guess I'll learn. :) -- --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 Mac OS X 10.1 - Darwin Kernel Version 5 Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash

24 years, 3 months

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Microsoft Word 4.0 academic: MAC

by lemay＠cs.umn.edu

I have some Word 4.0 for macintosh. Academic version, and anyways I'm sure nobody is allowed to transfer a microsoft license... So its up to you to buy a modern version of word and become legal, and then maybe you can use the older version instead. system requirements: 512K memory Two 800K double-sided disk drives or one 800K double-sided drive and a hard disk. Mac 512K enhanced, Plus, SE, or II. System 3.2 or higher finder 5.3 or higher supports the appletalk network. Anyways, feels mildly heavy, must be a book or two in the box. Yeah thats right, I'm not sure what exactly is in there because they still have their original plastic wrap intact... Offer a few dollars plus shipping for my hassles, and i'll mail one or two your way. The rest get tossed. 9 are available. Shipping via USPS only. -Lawrence LeMay lemay(a)cs.umn.edu

24 years, 3 months

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Mathematica -- gone already!

by zaft＠azstarnet.com

It's spoken for!

24 years, 3 months

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Stories of Dayton

by erd_6502＠yahoo.com

--- Bill Sudbrink <wh.sudbrink(a)verizon.net> wrote: > I wasn't able to go. Does anyone have any tales > of great classiccmp finds? Or any other stories? I was there from 08:00 to mid-afternoon on Friday. I only found about three arm-loads of stuff worth buying. The two classiccmp finds I got were an external 5.25" floppy enclosure that's the mate to another one I got 15 years ago, and a box of S-100 stuff. The drive box held two 5.25" floppies up on end, and has a converter board inside - Z-80 based, with a 34-pin connector for the floppies, and a 50-pin connector for the system. It is almost certainly not SCSI. My older enclosure says "Burroughs" on the front, IIRC. This one is nearly identical, but does not. My older one also did not come with the controller board. Don't know what I'm going to do with it, but the old one I used to use to hold MFM hard disks for my external WX-1 ST-506 drive controller that I used to use with my Amiga 1000 (through an 8-bit ISA adapter). The S-100 haul was, essentially, all of a Cromemco system except the PSU and cabinet - backplane, CPU, wad 'o memory, video card and diskette controller - all Cromemco, IIRC. It even came with a Persci 8" floppy drive with a motorized eject. I couldn't carry the box, so I came back for it later, but it took me about an hour to re-locate the booth. Found it and it was my last trip back to the car. I did stock up on machined-pin sockets (especially 40-pin sockets to protect the Fluke9010A 6502 pod I got from Dan Cohoe on his way through Columbus) and other connectory bits. Nabbed some GPIB cables, new in bag for $5 each. Got a pair of 10Base5 transceivers for $5. Now all I need is a few meters of etherhose (and a coring tool). One OT find - a SPARC5/110 w/mix of 8MB and 32MB DIMMs and Sbus 10/100 Ethernet (no disk) for $35. Ultra 5s were $300 from the same vendor. I missed one good find - a skinless BA213 w/KS650 (uVAX-III of some flavor) with KDB50 and *dual* DELQA - Dan took a pass on it, and Mitch Miller of Keyways got it for $20 (it was already marked "SOLD" when I spotted it). Talking to Mitch later, he didn't even notice the CPU - he was after the ethernet (and who wouldn't be for that price). Maybe I should have offered him $10 and deinstalled the Ethernet for him and disposed of the carcass. :-) I went around looking for old, cool stuff, but found little to buy. Did see a demonstration of an Enigma, but I've seen one before, in Munich. Could have been nicer weather, though. -ethan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com

24 years, 3 months

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Vax floppies (11/780 11/785 ultrix)

by lemay＠cs.umn.edu

rx7 vax 11780 diag super rx3 vax 11780 micro diag #2 rx1a vax 11785 console ultrix-32 v2.0 rx01 boot 1/1 ultrix-32 v2.0 rx01 boot (working copy) ultrix-32 v2.0 standalone #1 ultrix-32 v2.0 standalone #2 ultrix-32 v2.2 rx01 boot 1/1 ultrix-32 v2.2 standalone #3 ultrix-32 v2.2 standalone #2 ultrix-32 v2.2 standalone #1 Ultrix-32 v3.0 standalone #3 ultrix-32 v3.0 standalone #2 ultrix-32 v3.0 standalone #1 ultrix-32 v3.0 rx01 boot 1/1 console floppy, ultrix 3.1 (copy) ultrix 2.3 boot disk (copy) vax 11/785 console floppy for booting ultrix-32 v1.0 (copy) master copy vax 11/785 console floppy for booting ultrix-32 v1.0 (copy) working copy vax 11/785 console flopy for bootinmg ultrix-32 v1.1 (copy) working copy vax 11/785 console flopy for bootinmg ultrix-32 v1.1 (copy) master copy ultrix-32 v1 console rx01 ultrix-32 v2.0 64 usr rx01 ultrix-32 v1.2 64 usr upgrd ultrix-32 v1.1 64 usr upgrd ultrix-32 v1.0 64 user upgrd rx2 vax 11780 micro diag #1 rx1a vax 11785 console rx7 vax 11/780 diag super rx1 vax11780 standard console czziij0 dxdp+61 vpdb vax flp1 rx11 vax generic disk diag rx66 vax uda50 subsystem diag rx9 vax/780 micro debug tools rx3 vax 11780 micro diag #2 rx1 vax 11785 console ultrix 1.2 console floppy (copy) working copy rx3a vax 11785 micro diag #2 rx22a vax 11785 ma780 micro rx61 vax bus + autosizer diag rx7 vax 11780 diag super rx66 vax uda50 subsystem diag rx25 vax 11 instr #2 rx17 vax generic mt diag rx62 vax instr #1 rx62 vax instr #1 vax/vms 785 float point pt 1 czziij0 dxdp+61 vpdb vax flp1 micro #3 11785 rx8a (copy) rx2a vax 11785 micro diag #1 rx5 vax fp785 micro diag #4 rx9 vax/780 micro debug tools rx10 vax 11785 etkax diag rx11 vax generic disk diag -Lawrence LeMay lemay(a)cs.umn.edu

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found VAXStation 3100 M38 memory

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

> From: David Woyciesjes > > > From: Bill Bradford > > > > On Tue, May 21, 2002 at 01:57:08PM -0500, Doc wrote: > > > Does anybody on this list _not_ own an m38? :) > > > > Me, actually. > > > > Bill > > Well, if you're up for a trip to Tulsa, OK, I just saw this > VAXStation 3100... > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2025932212 > ...and it even comes with a DEC 3000/600, a MicroVAX II, DECServer 500, > infosever150... > > -- > Also, you could negotiate with this guy, to save the 3100m38 (that donated the memory being auctioned) from the scrapper... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2025133368 ...I hate to see good machines get scrapped. -- --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 Mac OS X 10.1 - Darwin Kernel Version 5 Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash

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found VAXStation 3100 M38 memory

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

> From: Bill Bradford > > On Tue, May 21, 2002 at 01:57:08PM -0500, Doc wrote: > > 32M is max, and there's 4 onboard, so you typically see a 16M card > > with a 12M daughterboard. > > Does anybody on this list _not_ own an m38? :) > > Me, actually. > > Bill > > -- > Well, if you're up for a trip to Tulsa, OK, I just saw this VAXStation 3100... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2025932212 ...and it even comes with a DEC 3000/600, a MicroVAX II, DECServer 500, infosever150... -- --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 Mac OS X 10.1 - Darwin Kernel Version 5 Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash

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found VAXStation 3100 M38 memory

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

> From: Doc > > On Tue, 21 May 2002, David Woyciesjes wrote: > > > Isn't the VAXStation 3100m38 standard-issue as the ClassicCmp > > beginner's VAX? > > Doc, how many people have the LK201(?) keyboard, hockey-puck mouse, and > > Digital 19" mono monitor that sold with their m38? Well, besides me & > Linc > > ;) > > Like most, I'm still looking for the display. Bill Bradford beat me > to the VRE01 at Goodwill this week. And I actually owned (and operate) > a couple of Classics before any of my DEC stuff. I just didn't know > they were Classics.... > Hopefully that's 'own' as in present-tense, and not 'owned' as in past? Hate it when that happens... -- --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 Mac OS X 10.1 - Darwin Kernel Version 5 Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash

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Mathematica 2.0 for NeXT

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Gordon Zaft [mailto:zaft@azstarnet.com] > I have a copy of this free for cost of shipping to a > good home. Please > reply offlist. Sorry guys -- Itchy 'reply' finger. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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found VAXStation 3100 M38 memory

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

> From: Christopher Smith > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: David Woyciesjes [mailto:DAW@yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu] > > > Isn't the VAXStation 3100m38 standard-issue as the ClassicCmp > > beginner's VAX? > > Doc, how many people have the LK201(?) keyboard, hockey-puck > > mouse, and > > Digital 19" mono monitor that sold with their m38? Well, > > besides me & Linc > > ;) > > Well, my m38 actually has an lk201, hockey-puck mouse, and 20" > color monitor. > - oh, quit bragging so loud... ;) > I do have a DEC 17" or so mono monitor, and now plenty of extra > lk201s and hockey-puck mice. > - What's with the mice with two wierd looking button things, instead of a ball? > My first working VAX was a 2000, which now has just about every > VAXStation 2000 accessory that you could want except the color > KVM breakout and a monitor ;).. > > At any rate, this impressive stack of peripherals makes that > VAXStation 2000 about the same size as any other MicroVAX, except > that it comes apart rather than having wheels. > - Until you put it on a utility cart... ;) > Also worth mentioning is that it's one of what I assume was an > older series of VAXStation 2000s with no AUI on the back (co-ax > only). > - Interesting... -- --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 Mac OS X 10.1 - Darwin Kernel Version 5 Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash

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Mathematica 2.0 for NeXT

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Gordon Zaft [mailto:zaft@azstarnet.com] > I have a copy of this free for cost of shipping to a > good home. Please > reply offlist. If it's not gone, I'll take it :) Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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Mathematica 2.0 for NeXT

by zaft＠azstarnet.com

I have a copy of this free for cost of shipping to a good home. Please reply offlist.

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found VAXStation 3100 M38 memory

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

> From: Roger Merchberger > > Rumor has it that David Woyciesjes may have mentioned these words: > > >> And I thought finding compatible memory for my 3000/300 would be bad! > >> Anyone have a list of the compatible memory vendors for that beastie? > >> > >- Didn't Doc just offer some? > > Yes, as a matter of fact he did... right after I clicked *send*... ;-) > ***chuckle chuckle*** Well, now you should be all set. -- --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 Mac OS X 10.1 - Darwin Kernel Version 5 Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash

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Misc. VAX (Was: found VAXStation 3100 M38 memory)

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: David Woyciesjes [mailto:DAW@yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu] > > Well, my m38 actually has an lk201, hockey-puck mouse, and 20" > > color monitor. > - oh, quit bragging so loud... ;) Well, err... I have a _MicroVAX_ 3100/m38, with a vt320. *duck* ;) > - What's with the mice with two wierd looking button > things, instead > of a ball? Pretty simple, really. The "button things" spin. Depending on which axis the mouse is following, one or the other button will do the spinning because of the way they're tilted. Nice design. I like them much better than ball mice. It seems most people do. Even in my pile of "spare" mice, I only have one of those. I also have the one on my m38, which was originally a ball mouse, but got replaced. > > At any rate, this impressive stack of peripherals makes that > > VAXStation 2000 about the same size as any other MicroVAX, except > > that it comes apart rather than having wheels. > - Until you put it on a utility cart... ;) I have thought about that -- or one of those little square plastic things with casters that little kids scoot around on in school :) > > Also worth mentioning is that it's one of what I assume was an > > older series of VAXStation 2000s with no AUI on the back (co-ax > > only). > - Interesting... One of perhaps two I've seen like that. I don't know whether to replace the casing with one that's got the AUI port, or keep it this way for the novelty. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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found VAXStation 3100 M38 memory

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

> From: Doc > > On Tue, 21 May 2002, David Woyciesjes wrote: > > > - Yeah, my 3100m38 has 32MB also. I'm just not positive if he's > > identifying the boards right. I mean, he's not even positive. :) > > 32M is max, and there's 4 onboard, so you typically see a 16M card > with a 12M daughterboard. > Does anybody on this list _not_ own an m38? :) > > Doc > Isn't the VAXStation 3100m38 standard-issue as the ClassicCmp beginner's VAX? Doc, how many people have the LK201(?) keyboard, hockey-puck mouse, and Digital 19" mono monitor that sold with their m38? Well, besides me & Linc ;) -- --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 Mac OS X 10.1 - Darwin Kernel Version 5 Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash

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found VAXStation 3100 M38 memory

by zmerch＠30below.com

Rumor has it that David Woyciesjes may have mentioned these words: >> 32M is max, and there's 4 onboard, so you typically see a 16M card >> with a 12M daughterboard. >> Does anybody on this list _not_ own an m38? :) >> >> Doc >> > Isn't the VAXStation 3100m38 standard-issue as the ClassicCmp >beginner's VAX? >Doc, how many people have the LK201(?) keyboard, hockey-puck mouse, and >Digital 19" mono monitor that sold with their m38? Well, besides me & Linc >;) Well, I didn't *purchase* my 3100, but it did come with it's original keyboard, mouse & 17" Color monitor... and I have the 8-plane 2Meg grafix board for it, too... too bad I couldn't figure out how to use it... :-( and now I don't have the room to set it up just yet... I have to refurb & run power to my 3rd floor "future" office / hamshack / sewing room / etc... I don't even have my QMS Color Laser set up yet, so I can't start printing the relevant dox yet... :-( Laterz, Roger "Merch" Merchberger -- Roger "Merch" Merchberger --- sysadmin, Iceberg Computers Recycling is good, right??? Ok, so I'll recycle an old .sig. If at first you don't succeed, nuclear warhead disarmament should *not* be your first career choice.

24 years, 3 months

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found VAXStation 3100 M38 memory

by zmerch＠30below.com

Rumor has it that David Woyciesjes may have mentioned these words: >- I'll try to remember to bring my camera, and snap a pic of them for >you tomorrow... That would be cool... >> And I thought finding compatible memory for my 3000/300 would be bad! >> Anyone have a list of the compatible memory vendors for that beastie? >> >- Didn't Doc just offer some? Yes, as a matter of fact he did... right after I clicked *send*... ;-) Laterz, Roger "Merch" Merchberger -- Roger "Merch" Merchberger --- sysadmin, Iceberg Computers Recycling is good, right??? Ok, so I'll recycle an old .sig. If at first you don't succeed, nuclear warhead disarmament should *not* be your first career choice.

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found VAXStation 3100 M38 memory

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: David Woyciesjes [mailto:DAW@yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu] > Isn't the VAXStation 3100m38 standard-issue as the ClassicCmp > beginner's VAX? > Doc, how many people have the LK201(?) keyboard, hockey-puck > mouse, and > Digital 19" mono monitor that sold with their m38? Well, > besides me & Linc > ;) Well, my m38 actually has an lk201, hockey-puck mouse, and 20" color monitor. I do have a DEC 17" or so mono monitor, and now plenty of extra lk201s and hockey-puck mice. My first working VAX was a 2000, which now has just about every VAXStation 2000 accessory that you could want except the color KVM breakout and a monitor ;) (Yes, it does have the color option, as well as the external second RD54, and external TK50) I think the only thing missing is the external floppy (I only surmise that this exists, and may be what plugs into that other port on the expansion box -- could be wrong), and a decent memory board. It would be nice to put an 8M, 12M, etc, board in it. At any rate, this impressive stack of peripherals makes that VAXStation 2000 about the same size as any other MicroVAX, except that it comes apart rather than having wheels. Also worth mentioning is that it's one of what I assume was an older series of VAXStation 2000s with no AUI on the back (co-ax only). Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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computer sales -- now only on e-bay???

by dougq＠iglou.com

> On Tue, 21 May 2002, Lawrence Walker wrote: > > > While this is true in urban centers, it certainly isn't for those of us > > that live in the boonies. I did acquire an Itellevision with an Adam > > tho. A local junk warehouse also has a bunch of HP stuff stuck away on > > the 3rd floor gathering dust that I have to catalogue for the list, > > since I know ziltch about HPs. > > The most important thing to finding old computers is to look in places > that you hadn't considered before. Think to yourself, "Who around here > would have had a need for computers 10 or 20 or 30 years ago?" Then find > places that fit the "who" and start investigating. Around here (Louisville, KY) those places are in a part of town that, well, you are likely to be stopped and searched on the assumption you are on your way to a crack house. Other parts of town you'll simply be shot at. > The key is to GET OUT THERE AND LOOK! I walked many, many, many miles to > amass my collection. Unless you like eBay, and even if you do, you won't > find the really cool stuff sitting behind your CRT. > > And you'll have much more fun and much better stories to tell in the end. If you survive... Y'all come out here for a visit sometime, Sellam... I'll protect you as best I can, brother! ;)

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by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

> From: Roger Merchberger > > Rumor has it that David Woyciesjes may have mentioned these words: > > >Well, my 3000/400 uses, I believe, 100-pin memory SIMMs. Looks like > >regular PC EDO stuff from a distance. But they're really abut 5 or 6 > inches > >long. There are 4 daughterboards, in the /400, each of which holds 4 > SIMMs, > >totaling 16 100-pins SIMMs in there... > > Yeouch! That sounds 1)wicked, ;-) > - I'll try to remember to bring my camera, and snap a pic of them for you tomorrow... > and 2)expensive... :-( > - I'm not sure, haven't really seen any around to gauge the prices! > And I thought finding compatible memory for my 3000/300 would be bad! > Anyone have a list of the compatible memory vendors for that beastie? > - Didn't Doc just offer some? -- --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 Mac OS X 10.1 - Darwin Kernel Version 5 Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash

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found VAXStation 3100 M38 memory

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

> From: Doc > > On Tue, 21 May 2002, Roger Merchberger wrote: > > > > >And good news is he's got RAM for auction, for my DEC 3000/400! > Woo-hoo! > > > > Sure... I'm sure you didn't post _that_ link to keep me bidding against > you > > for that -- for my DEC 3000/300! Mine's only got 64Meg; and I heard VMS > is > > rather doggy in that amount... (tho I'd doubt that it'd be any worse > than > > Tru64 Unix, but that's just speculation...) > > You guys, that's just plain old generic 36-bit parity SIMMs. How much > memory do you need? Yes, tested in my 3000/300x, if you want.... > > > Doc > For the /300x, yeah that does sound right. Couldn't find any actual info around here for that. Roger will be happy to hear that offer... -- --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 Mac OS X 10.1 - Darwin Kernel Version 5 Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash

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Fwd: Classic Computer and Gaming Show Saturday near Cleveland

by zmerch＠30below.com

Just got this posting from my Model 'T' mailing list... >>>> Mailing-List: contact m100-help(a)list.30below.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: m100(a)list.30below.com From: "Charles Good" Subject: Classic Computer and Gaming Show Saturday near Cleveland Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 14:06:03 -0400 A Model 100 system will be on display at Saturday's CCAG show near Cleveland Ohio. See below and check the web site for maps and more details. Charles Good <mailto:cgood@nicsweb.com>cgood(a)nicsweb.com ------------------------------------------------- For Immediate Release to all Internet and related groups! The Classic Computer And Gaming(CCAG) Show 2002 is on! "We, the CCAG organizers, regret that it took so long to officially announce the CCAG 2002 Show. However, we are also very glad that the CCAG 2001 Show did NOT take place after September 11th, 2001. Had CCAG 2001 taken place after 9-11, we would have had to cancel. Because we had used a National Guard Armory for the previous two CCAG's, we were not able to rent the Armory again after the events of 9-11. We have been able to locate and secure a facility for CCAG 2002! We again apologize for the delay, as we were only able to know with certainty, in the past several days. See you all at the CCAG 2002!!!" CCAG 2002 Staff The Classic Computer And Gaming Show 2002 will be held on May 25th, 2002 >from 8AM till 2 PM. Vendor setup is on the 24th from 5:30PM till 9PM, and >from 6:30AM till 8AM on the 25th. Show location is at the St. John Lutheran Church, 11333 Granger Road, Garfield Hts. Ohio, 44125. Here is our own site for more information and current status of vendors and attendees. <http://www.ccagshow.com>www.ccagshow.com Table rental is $5 this year, and admission is only $2. The admission fee will also allow you to be eligeble for a drawing at 1PM, the 25th, for an Arcade machine! (You will need a way to take the machine home with you!) The web site, <http://www.ccagshow.com>www.ccagshow.com, has site info, table layouts, map info, etc. We hope to see you there at the CCAG 2002! <<<< -- Roger "Merch" Merchberger --- sysadmin, Iceberg Computers Recycling is good, right??? Ok, so I'll recycle an old .sig. If at first you don't succeed, nuclear warhead disarmament should *not* be your first career choice.

24 years, 3 months

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found VAXStation 3100 M38 memory

by zmerch＠30below.com

Rumor has it that David Woyciesjes may have mentioned these words: >Well, my 3000/400 uses, I believe, 100-pin memory SIMMs. Looks like >regular PC EDO stuff from a distance. But they're really abut 5 or 6 inches >long. There are 4 daughterboards, in the /400, each of which holds 4 SIMMs, >totaling 16 100-pins SIMMs in there... Yeouch! That sounds 1)wicked, ;-) and 2)expensive... :-( And I thought finding compatible memory for my 3000/300 would be bad! Anyone have a list of the compatible memory vendors for that beastie? Thankz, Roger "Merch" Merchberger -- Roger "Merch" Merchberger --- sysadmin, Iceberg Computers Recycling is good, right??? Ok, so I'll recycle an old .sig. If at first you don't succeed, nuclear warhead disarmament should *not* be your first career choice.

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computer sales -- now only on e-bay???

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Douglas H. Quebbeman [mailto:dougq@iglou.com] > Around here (Louisville, KY) those places are in a part of town that, > well, you are likely to be stopped and searched on the assumption > you are on your way to a crack house. Other parts of town you'll > simply be shot at. As long as there's no body cavity search involved, they'll just be confused about your objective, and possibly your cargo of electronic components ;) "So you say you're looking for 'old computer parts'..." <aside> "I think he may be speaking in code." After you finally convince them you're serious, they might offer you their old 386. > > And you'll have much more fun and much better stories to > tell in the end. > If you survive... Y'all come out here for a visit sometime, Sellam... > I'll protect you as best I can, brother! You know, Louisville didn't seem all that bad to me when I was there. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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found VAXStation 3100 M38 memory

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

> From: Roger Merchberger > > Rumor has it that David Woyciesjes may have mentioned these words: > > [snip] > > >- Sorry Roger, it's more of a "Please let me have it! Don't bid on > >it!" kind of begging... :) > > Don't have the cash currently for it anyway... so that wasn't a problem. I > was just pickin' on ya! ;-) > Well, yeah, what else would you be doing? like I would really be begging. How un-geek-like. :-P > > Well, wait, IIRC, the 3000/300 uses different kind of memory sticks > >anyway, doesn't it? > > I dunno - I thought most of the lower-end 3000's all used "normal" memory > - > as in 72-pin FPM parity memory; but I could be wrong, I've only owned a > 3000/300. Even that's kinda hard to find without paying an arm & another > necessary appendage... > > Now methinks I'll have to look up the auction, just to see if there's pix > of that memory... > Well, my 3000/400 uses, I believe, 100-pin memory SIMMs. Looks like regular PC EDO stuff from a distance. But they're really abut 5 or 6 inches long. There are 4 daughterboards, in the /400, each of which holds 4 SIMMs, totaling 16 100-pins SIMMs in there... -- --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 Mac OS X 10.1 - Darwin Kernel Version 5 Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash

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found VAXStation 3100 M38 memory

by zmerch＠30below.com

Rumor has it that David Woyciesjes may have mentioned these words: [snip] >- Sorry Roger, it's more of a "Please let me have it! Don't bid on >it!" kind of begging... :) Don't have the cash currently for it anyway... so that wasn't a problem. I was just pickin' on ya! ;-) > Well, wait, IIRC, the 3000/300 uses different kind of memory sticks >anyway, doesn't it? I dunno - I thought most of the lower-end 3000's all used "normal" memory - as in 72-pin FPM parity memory; but I could be wrong, I've only owned a 3000/300. Even that's kinda hard to find without paying an arm & another necessary appendage... Now methinks I'll have to look up the auction, just to see if there's pix of that memory... Laterz, Roger "Merch" Merchberger -- Roger "Merch" Merchberger --- sysadmin, Iceberg Computers Recycling is good, right??? Ok, so I'll recycle an old .sig. If at first you don't succeed, nuclear warhead disarmament should *not* be your first career choice.

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found VAXStation 3100 M38 memory

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

This guy thinks this set will put the VAXStation3100m38 up to 32 MB of RAM... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2025133368 ...there is also a note about offering the rest of the VAX, or it gets scrapped. And good news is he's got RAM for auction, for my DEC 3000/400! Woo-hoo! He also has an SGI Indy slab... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2025132809 DISCLAIMER: I don't know the guy, just found it while looking for DEC3000 RAM... -- --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 Mac OS X 10.1 - Darwin Kernel Version 5 Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash

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PDP 11/34 Settings

by dougq＠iglou.com

> Tarsi, > > I do have a working 11/34A, so first, we need to make sure we have the > same pair of processor boards (one board is "control", the other "data > path"). I am not currently at home, but IIRC, the older 11/34 has boards > labelled something like M725x, while the later 34A has M825x boards, > with x being two consecutive digits for both boards in a pair. Andreas... Tarsi recently corrected himself, and stated that what he has is a PDP-11/23+, not a PDP-11/34... Regards, -doug q

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