In regard to the Freeware CDs:
Due to other priorities, I have not yet been able to finish
the verification tasks that I feel are needed to ensure that
I am producing correct images. However, eventually
I will be making some copies of the CD images from:
ftp://ftp.trailing-edge.com/pub/cd-images/http://www.classiccmp.org/PDP-11/http://www.classiccmp.org/PDP-11/RT-11/http://www.classiccmp.org/PDP-11/RSX-11/
that I have downloaded and wish to offload from my hard
disk drive. I have verified each of the 2 RSX-11 and the
1 RT-11 images against the MD5 values in the file MD5SUMS
and they are the same. In addition, after I copy the image
on my hard drive to the CD, I will verify them against their
respective images in their hard drive files. To do so, I
will be using RT-11 and BINCOM (with some of my own
modifications which allows me to also verify block 65535
at the end of each RT-11 partition). Since there are a
maximum of 20 RT-11 partitions on each CD and each
BINCOM run takes me less than 30 seconds, the whole
comparison can be done in less than 10 minutes - which
will probably be about the length of time it takes to make
the CD copy in the first place.
Since there might be a number of individuals who can't
download at a reasonable speed (even with DSL it takes
about 3 hours each at about 30 KBytes per second as
compared with about 3 KBytes per second on a dial up line),
I am prepared to make additional copies (Tim Shoppa
no longer seems to have the time to do so) and make
them available at my cost of about $ US 4.00 (for media,
label, envelope and shipping carton - the media portion
is less than a third of that total) plus postage which seems
to be about $ US 1.00 to the US. A second CD will
probably be about another $ US 3.00 if requested while
all three should be about $ US 10.00 for the set. I have
yet to verify these prices to be sure that they cover my
costs, but I am 99% sure they should be adequate.
Note that the images at Tim's site are ".bz2" files while
the images at classiccmp are ".gz" images. For myself
(Windows 98 and Netscape 4.78) DOES NOT WORK,
but Carlos Murillo sent me a Windows 98 version of
wget which does work, I suppose on any file.
By the way, I tried to hold the SHIFT key down while
I was clicking my way through the download procedures
of the ".gz" files under Netscape and that did not help.
Note that the images at the classiccmp site are ".gz" files,
so they are slightly larger. Since I did my original download
>from the full size images, I did not have a problem with
expanding - I used WinZip under Windows 98.
If you need help and are running Windows 98 or a
compatible OS, I can send you copies of both "bzip2.exe"
and "MD5.exe", but not for others OSs. For other OSs
(and Windows 98) for bzip2 programs, see:
http://sources.redhat.com/bzip2/
and click on either:
PC, Windows 95/98/ME/NT/2000/XP
PC, Windows 95/98/NT/2000.
for bzip2.exe - I was advised to use the second older
version and did - it worked fine under Windows 98.
For MD5 programs, see either:
ftp://ftp.cerias.purdue.edu/pub/tools/unix/crypto/md5/http://www.fourmilab.ch/md5/
I obtained my MD5 programs at the first site, but it no
longer seems active. Hopefully, it will be back soon.
By the way, for myself, I would VERY much appreciate
being in touch with all individuals who have a copy of the
RT-11 Freeware CD V2.0 so that we might exchange
information about RT-11. Tim Shoppa felt that he might
be violating privacy concerns if he made the names, of those
who ordered the CD, available. I don't see it that way, so
if you want your name to be known along with the other
individuals (or not as the case may be - i.e. restrict that
you have a copy of the RT-11 CD to ONLY specified
individuals such as possibly just myself) so that you can
receive interesting information about new developments
in RT-11 and the status of the operating system, then
PLEASE contact me so that we can share information.
Also state if you want to be known to the entire group
of just to specified individuals such as myself.
PLUS, as for TSX-PLUS, I am going to try again to knock
at the door of S&H to see what they may consider for
hobby users.
Some of you have already expressed an interest in the CDs.
I hope that I have sent a personal copy of this post. If
I somehow missed you, please send me your request again.
For those users who receive a personal copy of this e-mail,
you are already on my list. I will send you a mailing address
when I am ready to burn the CDs. Please reply if you are
still interested.
Sincerely yours,
Jerome Fine
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Hi,
my CI cables are too long for my little basement computer room.
I get all tangled up in the coils. OTOH I need a few more cables.
So, how hard will it be to just cut the cables in half and
mount new connectors? This cable is very similar to thick wire
ethernet, but not the same. Does it require special tools?
regards,
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ethan Dicks [mailto:erd_6502@yahoo.com]
> I received a stack of VMS CDs (originals) from a friend. I have no
> experience with VMS distrubutions on any media other than
> tape. How can
> I tell from the dates what version of VMS is on them? Is there a one-
Err -- you could boot them and see what save-sets you find. :)
They're not labeled?
Chris
Christopher Smith, Perl Developer
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[Hm. This didn't crosspost when I posted it to cctech, so here it is again,
addressed to cctalk. Sorry if you get this twice.]
Well, I've finally moved from acquire mode into play mode. First, I'm trying
to get this uPDP-11/23+ running. I've got so far as a BA23 with PSU, fans,
backplane, front panel, RD52, and RX50 -- that seems to power up without any
problems. Now I'm going to put the boards in, and I need help. Here's what I
plan on doing:
Backplane is H9278-A: slots 1-3 Q22/CD, slots 4-8 Q22/Q22.
AAAAAAAAAA BBBBBBBBBB CCCCCCCCCC DDDDDDDDDD
1 M8189----(KDF11-BF)------------------------
2 M9047----------------
3 M9047----------------
4 M8067-LB-(MSV11-P)-------------------------
5 M7957----(DZV11-M)-------------------------
6 M8639-YA-(RQDX1)---------------------------
7 M9047---------------- M9047----------------
8 M9047---------------- M9047----------------
The memory is in slot 4 because its grant continuity jumpers (W1 and W2) are
soldered in, which (according to the MSV11-P user's guide) tells me it
expects a Q22/Q22 slot instead of a Q22/CD slot.
Question 1: does the above look OK, or have I got something wrong?
Question 2: Should I try it first with just the CPU and memory in, just to
get a boot prompt on the console?
I'm subscribed to both lists, so feel free to reply to either one.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chad Fernandez [mailto:fernande@internet1.net]
> Does this have an OS in Rom, or does it need a "boot" disk
> like an Apple //?
Strictly speaking, I don't believe either model _requires_ a boot
disk. A boot disk will add significant functionality to the Apple,
though. :)
Anyway, the commodore will use its disk without booting from it,
in contrast to some Apple systems, where that's not exactly true.
You can also get CP/M for it, as some other people have said. Don
Maslin probably has the disk, and he's usually willing to send them
for (very reasonable) media/copying cost.
Chris
Christopher Smith, Perl Developer
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Greg asked:
> Having searched throughout HPs web site(s), I've come to the conclusion that
> anything older than a week or so won;t have any usefull information there.
Agreed.
> If anyone has any switch settings for my C1525G DDS1 tape drive, it would be
> most helpfull - I'm trying to hang it off a MicroVAX3100 model10e currently.
From:
http://www.eztechstuff.com/archives/th99/p/txt/70119.txtHEWLETT-PACKARD COMPANY
HP C1525G/H, SURESTORE 2000
Device Type Internal Tape Drive
Interface SCSI-2
Format DDS
Sustained Transfer Rate 183 KBPS
Size 3.5 in. half height
5.25 in. half height (with bezel)
View Top
USER CONFIGURABLE SETTINGS
Setting Label Position
? Factory configured - do not alter JP5 Unidentified
DRIVE SELECT ID
Drive ID JP1 JP2 JP3
0 Open Open Open
1 Open Open Closed
2 Open Closed Open
3 Open Closed Closed
4 Closed Open Open
5 Closed Open Closed
6 Closed Closed Open
7 Closed Closed Closed
MANUFACTURERS RECOMMENDED MEDIA
Tape Capacity Without Compression
90 meter DDS cartridge 2.0 GB
DIAGNOSTIC LED(S)
LED1 LED2 Condition
(Green) (Yellow)
Off Off No power/drive Idle, no cartridge
On Off Cartridge loaded, No Activity
Flash Off Cartridge loaded, Activity
Pulse Off Loading/Unloading/Ejecting/Power-On
Off On Self Test Failure
Off Pulse No Cartridge, Caution (cleaning required)
On Pulse Cartridge loaded, Caution (cleaning
required)
Flash Pulse Cartridge loaded, Drive Active, Caution
(cleaning required)
Pulse Pulse Cartridge loading/unloading, Caution
(cleaning required)
hth,-dq
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dan Veeneman [mailto:dan@ekoan.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 3:50 PM
> To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
> Subject: RE: DECwriter-II Sounds of Impending Doom?
>
>
> At 03:38 PM 5/29/02 -0500, you wrote:
> >Isn't a Decwriter II a LA-36? A LA-120 us a Decwriter III IIRC.
>
> My Decwriter II indicates it's an LA-36. Speaking of which,
> does anyone have recommendations on a good place to get
> replacement ribbons for this terminal?
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dan
I just picked up 6 off of EPAY for $5.00 + shipping. Unknown condition, but
I figure I can re-ink them if I need too. I'll send you one for $1 +
shipping if interested. Contact me off-list.
Gary
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> At 03:38 PM 5/29/02 -0500, you wrote:
> >Isn't a Decwriter II a LA-36? A LA-120 us a Decwriter III IIRC.
>
> My Decwriter II indicates it's an LA-36. Speaking of which,
> does anyone have recommendations on a good place to get
> replacement ribbons for this terminal?
I must say, we consume a lot of bandwidth on this list
correcting each others peccadillos... just think of
how useful and fun the list could be if we'd actually
supply useful information such as:
Yes, they sell the ribbons at office Depot for about
six bucks. Bought one there about a month ago.
In solidarity with all those who suffer senior moments
such as I,
-dq
At 03:38 PM 5/29/02 -0500, you wrote:
>Isn't a Decwriter II a LA-36? A LA-120 us a Decwriter III IIRC.
My Decwriter II indicates it's an LA-36. Speaking of which,
does anyone have recommendations on a good place to get
replacement ribbons for this terminal?
Cheers,
Dan
> > My LA120 makes these snapping sounds when first turned on,
> > sourced from the pedestal, that sound a bit like a flyback
> > arcing. I'm guessing its the SMPSU crying out in anguish.
> >
> > Is there anything I can do, or do I need to start looking
> > for a replacement LA-120 PSU?
>
> Isn't a Decwriter II a LA-36? A LA-120 us a Decwriter III IIRC.
>
Why yes, it is!
-dq
Well, I've finally moved from acquire mode into play mode. First, I'm trying
to get this uPDP-11/23+ running. I've got so far as a BA23 with PSU, fans,
backplane, front panel, RD52, and RX50 -- that seems to power up without any
problems. Now I'm going to put the boards in, and I need help. Here's what I
plan on doing:
Backplane is H9278-A: slots 1-3 Q22/CD, slots 4-8 Q22/Q22.
AAAAAAAAAA BBBBBBBBBB CCCCCCCCCC DDDDDDDDDD
1 M8189----(KDF11-BF)------------------------
2 M9047----------------
3 M9047----------------
4 M8067-LB-(MSV11-P)-------------------------
5 M7957----(DZV11-M)-------------------------
6 M8639-YA-(RQDX1)---------------------------
7 M9047---------------- M9047----------------
8 M9047---------------- M9047----------------
The memory is in slot 4 because its grant continuity jumpers (W1 and W2) are
soldered in, which (according to the MSV11-P user's guide) tells me it
expects a Q22/Q22 slot instead of a Q22/CD slot.
Question 1: does the above look OK, or have I got something wrong?
Question 2: Should I try it first with just the CPU and memory in, just to
get a boot prompt on the console?
I'm subscribed to both lists, so feel free to reply to either one.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Douglas H. Quebbeman [mailto:dougq@iglou.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 3:18 PM
> To: ClassicCmp List
> Subject: DECwriter-II Sounds of Impending Doom?
>
>
> My LA120 makes these snapping sounds when first turned on,
> sourced from the pedestal, that sound a bit like a flyback
> arcing. I'm guessing its the SMPSU crying out in anguish.
>
> Is there anything I can do, or do I need to start looking
> for a replacement LA-120 PSU?
>
> -dq
>
Isn't a Decwriter II a LA-36? A LA-120 us a Decwriter III IIRC.
Gary
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My LA120 makes these snapping sounds when first turned on,
sourced from the pedestal, that sound a bit like a flyback
arcing. I'm guessing its the SMPSU crying out in anguish.
Is there anything I can do, or do I need to start looking
for a replacement LA-120 PSU?
-dq
>From: "Ben Franchuk" <bfranchuk(a)jetnet.ab.ca>
>
>"Dwight K. Elvey" wrote:
>>
>> Hi Sam
>> Check:
>>
>> http://www.alltronics.com/tubes3.htm
>
>> >Missing, which is probably why the keyboard doesn't work. According to
>> >John L. it's a common tube (25L6) so I'm going out to look for a
>> >replacement today.
>
>www.tubesandmore.com has the 25L6 for $6.00 US.
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Hi
Alltronics has them at $3 and $4, depending on package
and Alltronics is closer to Sellam.
I have bought from TubesAndMore to get hard to find tubes
and they do a good job. I have a list of other tube sources
since I also play with old radios.
Dwight
I was looking through the Alltronics listings and noticed a TTL-Composite
video adaptor (http://www.alltronics.com/computer_miscellaneous.htm ,
#92C024) that looks like the adaptor I have for my Osborne 1!
-----Original Message-----
From: Dwight K. Elvey [mailto:dwightk.elvey@amd.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 1:18 PM
To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: IBM 026 Printing Card Punch
Hi Sam
Check:
http://www.alltronics.com/tubes3.htm
Later
Dwight
<snip>
Hi Sam
Check:
http://www.alltronics.com/tubes3.htm
Later
Dwight
>From: "Sellam Ismail" <foo(a)siconic.com>
>
>On Tue, 28 May 2002, Tothwolf wrote:
>
>> Is tube no. 6 missing or just optional?
>
>Missing, which is probably why the keyboard doesn't work. According to
>John L. it's a common tube (25L6) so I'm going out to look for a
>replacement today.
>
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Hi
It is really quite simple to use the bi-directional
printer port if your machine supports it. This is
what I did with an old Intel one I have ( I think
it was made by REMEX ). It is just wires and some
simple software.
Dwight
>From: "Loboyko Steve" <sloboyko(a)yahoo.com>
>
>I've designed a very simple Remex paper tape reader
>"parallel" interface to serial board utilizing a
>PIC/Ubicom and a MAX-232 chip. Someone else on this
>has one but I forget who, so:
>
>http://sloboyko.home.mindspring.com/remex.htm
Please contact Carlos directly if you wish to help rescue some of a massive
pile of PDP and VAX parts and documentation (he mentioned in another email, of
having 80 (eighty) RP06 disk packs...). I forwarded this with his permission.
Bill
- - - - - - -
( From: "carlos andres meymar l." <cmeymar(a)hotmail.com> )
My name is Carlos Meymar I had a company here in Mexico City called
MIPROCESADORES S.A. that during several years sold and gave maintenance to
PDP and VAX systems, as a result of this activities I have a lot of original
DEC material including boards, cables, documentation and so on, I am moving
my office to other location that is smaller and have to reduce my inventory.
Do you know anyone in Mexico or in the U.S. that can be intereted in this
material.
I am in a hurry with the relocation of the office so please consider this as
an urgent matter because otherwise I will have to give everything away as
scrap material.
Hoping to hear from you or anyone interested as soon as possible
Best Regards
CARLOS MEYMAR
Can I "force" an RJ11/12 cable into an MMJ jack? I thought I had an MMJ
cable, but I don't. I've got a 4-wire cable from an LK201 keyboard that
I can snap into the MMJ, but it doesn't fill the whole thing, so I
assume only 4 wires will make contact, which I doubt will work. If I
take a regular phone cord, break off the tab, and file the top smooth,
will it fit in the MMJ socket?
- Bob
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chad Fernandez [mailto:fernande@internet1.net]
> Since I don't even know if this machine works yet, can I hook
> it up to a
> TV instead of a monitor? I'd hate to go buy another monitor from
> Goodwill only to find that the computer doesn't work.
Mine works with a TV. Also for the most part completely replaces
the commodore 64 setup, which is nice since it's not nearly as
ugly ;)
Chris
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Hi Dan
The power connector you need is the 12 pin one at the center.
I was wrong about the 44 pins. The 44 pin ones are for expansion.
Here is a list of the connectors:
EXPANSION (E)
1 SYNC A AB0
2 RDY B AB1
3 01 C AB2
4 IRQ\ D AB3
5 RO E AB4
6 NMI\ F AB5
7 RES\ H AB6
8 DB7 J AB7
9 DB6 K AB8
10 DB5 L AB9
11 DB4 M AB10
12 DB3 N AB11
13 DB2 P AB12
14 DB1 R AB13
15 DB0 S AB14
16 18\ T AB15
17 DBOUT(1) U 02
18 POR\ V R/W
19 -- W R/W\
20 -- X AUD TEST
21 +5V Y 02\
22 GND Z RAM-R/W
APPLICATION (A)
1 GND A +5V
2 APA3 B 00\
3 APA2 C 04\
4 APA1 D 08\
5 APA4 E 0C\
6 APA5 F 10\
7 APA6 H 14\
8 APA7 J 1C\
9 APB0 K 18\
10 APB1 L AUDIO IN
11 APB2 M AUDIO OUT(LO)
12 APB3 N RCN-1 (1)
13 APB4 P AUDIO OUT(HI)
14 APA0 R TTY KB RTN+
15 APB7 S TTY PTR+
16 ABB5 T TTY KB RTN-
17 KB ROW 0 U TTY PTR-
18 KB COL F V KB ROW 3
19 KB COL B W KB COL G
20 KB COL E X KB ROW 2
21 KB COL A Y KB COL C
22 KB COL D Z KB ROW 1
AUXILIARY APPLICATION (AA)
1 GND A +5V
2 -VN B +VP
3 2 PA 1 C 2 PA 2
4 2 CA 2 D 2 PA 0
5 2 CB 2 E 2 CA 1
6 2 PB 7 F 2 CB 2
7 2 PB 5 H 2 PB 6
8 2 PB 3 J 2 PB 4
9 2 PB 1 K 2 PB 2
10 2 PA 7 L 2 PB 0
11 2 PA 5 M 2 PA 6
12 2 PA 3 N 2 PA 4
13 RES P 3 CA 1
13 3 CB 1 R SCOPE
15 3 CB 2 S 3 PB 3
16 3 PB 0 T 3 PB 1
17 3 PA 6 U 3 PA 7
18 3 PA 3 V 3 PA 0
19 3 PS 4 W 3 PA 1
20 3 PA 5 X 3 PA 2
21 3 PB 5(B) Y 3 PB 4(B)
22 3 PB 7(B) Z 3 PB 6(B)
POWER (P)
1 +5V A +VP
2 GND B GND
3 +5V C +5V
4 GND D GND
5 +5V E -VN
6 GND F GND
TERMINAL (T)
1 GND
2 RS-232 IN
3 RS-232 OUT
4 --
5 +5V
6 +5V
7 GND
8 +5V
9 TTY KEYBOARD IN+
10 TTY KEYBOARD IN-
11 TTY PRINTER OUT-
12 TTY PRINTER OUT+
13 --
14 AUDIO REMOTE NPN HI
15 AUDIO REMOTE NPN LO
16 AUDIO REMOTE PNP LO
17 AUDIO REMOTE PNP HI
18 AUDIO IN
19 AUDIO GND
20 --
21 AUDIO OUT (HI)
22 --
23 AUDIO OUT (LO)
24 --
25 AUDIO GND
KEYBOARD
1 +5V
2 +5V
3 +5V
4 +5V
5 +VP
6 +VP
7 -VN
8 -VN
9 GND
10 GND
11 GND
12 GND
13 RS-232 IN
14 RS-232 OUT
The RAM sockets can be filled with 2114's. I think Jameco still
has these. The RS-232 will drive +5 to 0 if the other end will
take it, otherwise, you'll need a -12V connected to the -VN pins.
You then change the jumper GG to 40.
Data for the basic ROM's and parts of manual can be had at:
http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/classiccmp/my_docs.htm
If you need other things, let me know.
Dwight
>From: "Dan Veeneman" <dan(a)ekoan.com>
>
>At 06:36 PM 5/28/02 -0700, you wrote:
>> Also, check to see if you need to have the BASIC ROM's. These
>>boards normally only came with the monitor ROM and minimum
>>RAM. One usually added the parts for the serial as well ( some
>>transistors and resistors ).
>
>Looks like I need to add some parts. I've put up some pictures of
>the SYM-1 at
>
> http://www.decodesystems.com/sym-1.html
>
>The board appears to be minimally populated. Besides the power
>connector, specifications and instructions for adding the BASIC ROMs
>and the serial interface would be appreciated. Thanks!
>
>
>Cheers,
>
>Dan
>www.decodesystems.com/wanted.html
>
>
>I know how to boot a CD-ROM in a VAX. I've got the VMS 7.2 hobbyist, VMS
>7.2 regular distrib, and VMS 7.3 regular distrib, and when I boot them
>all, I just go into standalone backup. I thought maybe there was some
>"trick" I didn't know about to boot into a regular VMS system.
The trick is that instead of booting with:
>>> BOOT DKA100:
you do something like:
>>> BOOT/R5:10000000 DKA100:
assuming that the alternate root is [SYS1].
I just looked on a V7.1 VAX binary disk and
it looks very much like [SYS0] (i.e. the
default boot) is S/A BACKUP and [SYS1]
(i.e. as above) is a full OpenVMS boot. Obviously
it's booted off a read-only medium so you do not
get to mess around too much, but it should be
enough to get your install done or fixup your
disk or whatever.
Antonio
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bob Lafleur [mailto:bob_lafleur@technologist.com]
> I know how to boot a CD-ROM in a VAX. I've got the VMS 7.2
> hobbyist, VMS
> 7.2 regular distrib, and VMS 7.3 regular distrib, and when I boot them
> all, I just go into standalone backup. I thought maybe there was some
> "trick" I didn't know about to boot into a regular VMS system.
The 7.2 discs also kick me into standalone backup -- not that I
have a problem with that, of course. I'm pretty sure it's not
"normal" VMS, though, since, IIRC, the only command I could get
to work is BACKUP. (Characteristic of standalone backup, of course)
Chris
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Hi Dan
I have a SYM-1. You need to get a 44 pin connector ( I think it
is .153 spacing ). These were quite common until everyone started
uning 0.100 spacing. You can't have my connector though.
I can get the pinouts for you but I don't have them here ( I'm
at work ). I can get them to you tomorrow.
What other requirements do they have for running the games.
If it only needs the keypad and display, you can just connect
+5V and ground. If it requires a terminal, you'll need +/- 12V
as well. If you only need the +5V, you can clip onto the
protection diode that is between the two connector. The + side
it the side with the band ( Cathode ) and the ground is the
other side ( Anode ). This diode is normally reverse biased.
Also, check to see if you need to have the BASIC ROM's. These
boards normally only came with the monitor ROM and minimum
RAM. One usually added the parts for the serial as well ( some
transistors and resistors ).
Dwight
>From: "Dan Veeneman" <dan(a)ekoan.com>
>
>I recently acquired a Synertek SYM Model 1 but it came without
>a power connector. Before I try to locate an edge connector and
>wire one up, I wanted to check to see if anyone had an extra one
>made up that they wouldn't mind parting with.
>
>The board also came with a seminar workbook from the American
>Institute for Professional Education. The course is entitled
>"Microprocessing Fundamentals: A Short Course for Scientists
>and Engineers" by Raymond Bennett and John Stockdale, dated
>December 1, 1979. It's eleven chapters and some appendices
>with exercises and program listings for the SYM-1, including the
>ever-popular Lunar Lander.
>
>
>Cheers,
>
>Dan
>www.decodesystems.com/wanted.html
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Don Maslin [mailto:donm@cts.com]
> > You can also get CP/M for it, as some other people have said. Don
> > Maslin probably has the disk, and he's usually willing to send them
> > for (very reasonable) media/copying cost.
> No, regrettably, I have nothing for Commodore.
Oops, then let me say instead that anyone who's got this disk should
consider sending it to Don ;)
Chris
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> Here is the latest acquisiton of the VCF Archives:
>
>
> http://www.vintage.org/gallery.php?title=IBM%20026%20Printing%
> 20Card%20Punch&grouptag=IBM026
>
> A very neat machine. John Lawson helped me clean it up a bit over the
> weekend and we got it to do "stuff" but it's still not printing or
> punching so it definitely needs some more TLC.
>
> Look for it to be operational by and on display at VCF 5.0
> this September (dates to be announced very, very soon).
My First Computing Experience.
Sitting down to one of these to punch a set of job cards
and input data values to run a program that taught us the
binary search algorithm. It was a Purdue University during
the Summer Engineering Seminars, June 1974. The job was
processed by PUFFT, Purdue University Fast FORTRAN Translator,
a system that ran on a beautiful IBM 7094.
Later that same day, I was typing ALFIE programs on an ASR33
hooked to their CDC 6500 via PROCSY, Purdue Remote Online
Console SYstem. All my program did was accept some input
and display vulgar expresssions. Later that week though,
I was printing roots tables to tale back and use in my
Physics class my senior year in high school.
-dq
Hi, my pulse is still at 100.
Today I brought my second VAX 6000-400 into the basement. That thing
is haunted! Bringing into the basement entails screwing everything
off and then back on. Everything went so beautifully. Having it done
the second time I noticed that the cables almost find their way
by themselves, just listen to them and they show you how they want
to be plugged in :-).
Anyway, it didn't work very well. The XMI side alone could be made
to work fine, but the VAXBI side doesn't want to work. I checked
the wiring once, twice, there is really not much to it, just one
big plug that goes into the power regulator and the two HUGE contacts
for the actual power. Nothing difficult.
I think I burned a couple of XBIA and XBIB boards today. Nothing
went off in smoke or flames but one spare after the other would
stop working right. I thought I'd do a little board-testing in my
working VAX, but even there the things behaved strangely, even to
the extent where I thought that may be one XBIA board destroyed
the attached XBIB board and vica versa.
Although I have accumulated a load of XBIA/XBIB boards my reserve
went preciously low. I shot with almost all I had and there were
quite a few casualties in the battle. But all to no avail.
I'm lucky my working machine is back working again. But I should
find a more efficient and less dangerous way to debug that other
machine. There is just too much combinatorics involved in the
trial and error method. There are
1 XMI bus
2 positions for XBIA
2 VAXBI busses, that are interconnected
everything seems dependent on everything else here. How can this be
decoupled so that I can test one thing at a time? The next I'll try
is actually replace the VAXBI backplane cage. But what would DEC
field service have done? Is there a technician's handbook that
would give some ideas?
thanks,
-Gunther
--
Gunther Schadow, M.D., Ph.D. gschadow(a)regenstrief.org
Medical Information Scientist Regenstrief Institute for Health Care
Adjunct Assistant Professor Indiana University School of Medicine
tel:1(317)630-7960 http://aurora.regenstrief.org
Searching for information on the Tektronix 4025A terminal, I cam across
the following website:
http://www.enemiesunknown.com/
(The page my search returned was http://www.enemiesunknown.com/terminals.php).
It appears this is a text-based adventure game (still under development)
that is played over a telnet connection. The page I was directed to lists
all of the termainls that are supposedly compatible with the game.
Kinda cool, but I can't play it right now because according to the site
the server is down as of the time of this posting.
Since the last build is 16 Dec 2001, it may be that this is a dead
project.
Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival
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These mice were also used on early IBM PS/1's (the ones with PC-DOS in
ROM). My parent's 286-based PS/1 had one of these. Unfortunately, that
found the way of the trash hopper when they moved a year ago.
-- Pat
On Tue, 28 May 2002 torquil(a)rockbridge.net wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I am looking for a few of the first mouses IBM made. I would like to acquire one or two of the mouse in this picture. http://members.aol.com/phwimage1/mouse1.jpg . I am using one on this terminal in the library and I just could not get over how cool the mechanical click noise is.
>
>
> Thanks,
> Torquil MacCorkle III
> Lexington, Virginia
>
>
Hi
As I recall, during the disk building process, you tell
it if it is going to run stand alone or used on a network.
That way, you don't waste space on the internal disk for
code that you could easily access from the local net.
I've gone through the stand alone disk building process
in the pass but don't recall all of what was needed. I
used the Sun documents to do it with.
You need to have a CD ROM drive to get the disk built.
Some machines didn't have the drive. In the lab, we had
a machine that we always used to build disk on and we would
then move it to the machine we were testing. We always
had a stack of disk that could boot from disk or the net.
As far as password, you'd have to clear the NOVRAM.
Setting this up again would be tough, without knowing the
magic. I don't recall how to do this but I can ask around.
Maybe one of the others remembers.
Dwight
>From: "Dan Wright" <dtwright(a)uiuc.edu>
>
>Thanks all for the info. So, it turns out that it has a copy of SPARC64
>Solaris 2.4 on it. Does anyone know how to convince Solaris 2.4 to boot up in
>single user mode without asking for the root password, and without an OS disk?
>from the hostname I can find what domain it was on so I should be able to
>h4x0r it from the network, but I'd rather get into it on console before
>networking it because I don't have a machine I can convienently do that with
>at hand.
>
>Dwight K. Elvey said:
>> Hi
>> I used to work at HaL. I don't have any of the stuff
>> you need but I'll ask around. It is funny that when working
>> on some of the machines made by other people I can't understand
>> why they didn't save some of the information for future
>> use. Here I was working there and I don't think I saved
>> anything.
>> The HaL boxes were the first Sparc64's. Still they did
>> take a specialized OS. This was mainly for the I/O drivers.
>> The processors used in the early machines were some
>> of the first to use such things as out of order execution.
>> Basically, the processor would prefetch a number of
>> instructions ahead of time. If it saw an instruction that
>> didn't seem to have dependencies on previous results that
>> might not be available yet, it would execute them to fill,
>> otherwise, dead processor time. This was fine for most
>> everything but I/O and some process handshake in multitasked.
>> Someone forgot the I/O problem. I/O that needed to
>> be ordered had to have enough 'nop's inline so that the
>> next I/O was not in the prefetch. This required special
>> I/O routines, even though the machines were otherwise compatible
>> with other Sun code.
>> I don't even recall if the 330 was a R1 or a R2 processor.
>> I guess I can't blame others for losing computer history
>> when I'm part of the problem. I guess we should all make
>> efforts to save information as we go along. The hard
>> part is to recognize when we are at a significant point
>> in time.
>> Dwight
>>
>> >From: "Dan Wright" <dtwright(a)uiuc.edu>
>> >
>> >I just picked up one of those today. I'm not sure of the date, but I think it
>> >might only be 7.5-8 yrs old, making it slightly OT...
>> >
>> >anyway, does anyone know anything about this box? All I've been able to find
>> >out so far is that it was the first marketed SPARC64 machine, it was
>> >technically very good, but was a total market failure. In other words, it's
>> >obscure and weird, perfect for a classiccmp find ;) It's a sun-compatible box
>> >-- I've fired it up with a serial console and I get a sun-ish OpenBoot prompt,
>> >etc.
>> >
>> >So, my question is, does anyone know more about this thing? Anyone have docs,
>> >OS media (if it won't run normal solaris...not sure), or anything?
>> >
>> >Thanks!
>> >
>> >- Dan Wright
>> >(dtwright(a)uiuc.edu)
>> >(http://www.uiuc.edu/~dtwright)
>> >
>> >-] ------------------------------ [-] -------------------------------- [-
>> >``Weave a circle round him thrice, / And close your eyes with holy dread,
>> > For he on honeydew hath fed, / and drunk the milk of Paradise.''
>> > Samuel Taylor Coleridge, Kubla Khan
>> >
>>
>- Dan Wright
>(dtwright(a)uiuc.edu)
>(http://www.uiuc.edu/~dtwright)
>
>-] ------------------------------ [-] -------------------------------- [-
>``Weave a circle round him thrice, / And close your eyes with holy dread,
> For he on honeydew hath fed, / and drunk the milk of Paradise.''
> Samuel Taylor Coleridge, Kubla Khan
>
> I'm working on writing a program for CP/M 2.2, and would like to make it
> stay 'resident' in the system memory. Is there any way I can locate
> to bottom of the CCP so I don't overwrite it, without doing it at compile
> time? I'm planning on using only Z-80 based systems (so I can use an
> offset-based jump) so I should be able to pretty easily make the code
> re-locatable. All I need to do is be able to figure out where the CCP is
> so I don't overwrite it.
<sigh>
CP/M Plus offered this through the RSX Manager.
Due to all the cool RSX utilities available from Jim
Lopushinsky back in '84, I was able to make CP/M 2.2
and Molecular's N*Star MP/M-II-ish OS a lot more useable.
I mistakenly told Allison that I thought I wrote this stuff!
I just plain got it confused with what I did write...
Anyway, write me privately, I don't want to post the ftp
url in a place that will be harvested someday...
Regards,
-doug q
Well in terms of Emulex controllers, I have a circa 1983 emulex handbook
that even goes so far as to list a whole lot of drives and say what
controllers they work with.. hmm that out to be online methinks...
Will J
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>This is not a facetious question (I know little about clustering... we
>had several standalone VAXen back in the old days, with 64Kbps sync
>links between them, either running HASP or DDCMP)... *can* you cluster
>a Digital Unix box with a VMS box?
No VMScluster and TruCluster (is that what it's called?)
don't have much in common. They do not interoperate.
But you could add in a spare drive and drop VMS
onto that on you Alpha - you can boot VMS and it
will leave your Unix disks alone if you don't mount
them and vice versa.
Then you cluster you VAX with your Alpha and
and mount the CD and off you go. (It's that
easy if you've done it before, you'll probably need
a bit more help if you have not). For this to work
your prerequisites are working ethernets at both
ends and OpenVMS on both (same version saves
a bunch of hassle).
>
>Hmm... That's an idea. I do have this 1.2GB 3rd party ESDI box that
>is one of the things I boot the 8200 from. If only I could get the DEBNT
>working on the 8200. I also have a couple of KA630s and and a DEQNA,
>but no DELQA. :-(
DELQAs are two a penny. I'd send you one
but shipping would be prohibitive from the UK.
>need to get me and it in the same room. That should solve my
>VAX/SCSI/Ethernet-in-the-same-box problems. Mostly, I have two of
>three in the same place at the same time.
If this is either a VAXstation 3100 or a VAXstation 4000
then obviously it will have SCSI and adding a CD should
be straightforward. If it is a VAXstation II/2000/8000/3500
then you'll still have problems (although if it's a VAXstation
8000 I'd like to have your problems :-))
Antonio
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pat Finnegan [mailto:pat@purdueriots.com]
> where the CCP is
> so I don't overwrite it.
I don't know. If it's generally in a "normal" place, you could
just find the size of CCP, and add that to the address. I don't
think that would work, though, :)
> Alternatively, would it be a better idea to write something
> that loads its
> own replacement CCP under it, and overloads the old CCP just under the
> BDOS? I would probably need to intercept the 'JMP WBOOT' and
This is what I was about to suggest. This way you could know exactly
where, and how large, it is.
Chris
Christopher Smith, Perl Developer
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> This is not a facetious question (I know little about clustering... we
> had several standalone VAXen back in the old days, with 64Kbps sync
> links between them, either running HASP or DDCMP)... *can* you cluster
> a Digital Unix box with a VMS box?
I'm possitive you can't cluster DEC UNIX and VMS (though there is a slim
possibility I'm wrong).
My question would be, if DEC UNIX can read the CD-ROM, can't you just
transfer the savesets you need over your network?
Zane
Hi
I used to work at HaL. I don't have any of the stuff
you need but I'll ask around. It is funny that when working
on some of the machines made by other people I can't understand
why they didn't save some of the information for future
use. Here I was working there and I don't think I saved
anything.
The HaL boxes were the first Sparc64's. Still they did
take a specialized OS. This was mainly for the I/O drivers.
The processors used in the early machines were some
of the first to use such things as out of order execution.
Basically, the processor would prefetch a number of
instructions ahead of time. If it saw an instruction that
didn't seem to have dependencies on previous results that
might not be available yet, it would execute them to fill,
otherwise, dead processor time. This was fine for most
everything but I/O and some process handshake in multitasked.
Someone forgot the I/O problem. I/O that needed to
be ordered had to have enough 'nop's inline so that the
next I/O was not in the prefetch. This required special
I/O routines, even though the machines were otherwise compatible
with other Sun code.
I don't even recall if the 330 was a R1 or a R2 processor.
I guess I can't blame others for losing computer history
when I'm part of the problem. I guess we should all make
efforts to save information as we go along. The hard
part is to recognize when we are at a significant point
in time.
Dwight
>From: "Dan Wright" <dtwright(a)uiuc.edu>
>
>I just picked up one of those today. I'm not sure of the date, but I think it
>might only be 7.5-8 yrs old, making it slightly OT...
>
>anyway, does anyone know anything about this box? All I've been able to find
>out so far is that it was the first marketed SPARC64 machine, it was
>technically very good, but was a total market failure. In other words, it's
>obscure and weird, perfect for a classiccmp find ;) It's a sun-compatible box
>-- I've fired it up with a serial console and I get a sun-ish OpenBoot prompt,
>etc.
>
>So, my question is, does anyone know more about this thing? Anyone have docs,
>OS media (if it won't run normal solaris...not sure), or anything?
>
>Thanks!
>
>- Dan Wright
>(dtwright(a)uiuc.edu)
>(http://www.uiuc.edu/~dtwright)
>
>-] ------------------------------ [-] -------------------------------- [-
>``Weave a circle round him thrice, / And close your eyes with holy dread,
> For he on honeydew hath fed, / and drunk the milk of Paradise.''
> Samuel Taylor Coleridge, Kubla Khan
>
Whoa, I have never heard of 5.25" SMD disks before... I wish I had some!
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ethan Dicks [mailto:erd_6502@yahoo.com]
> I have *a* GCR CP/M disk. I will have to see what version it is. I
> suppose it's copyable with a C-64 and two 1541 drives? If not, I do
I'm not completely sure, but considering how much of the logic
was in the drives and not the system, I'd guess you can copy
it even if it's not the right system to run it. As for whether
the 1541 drives are GCR, your guess would be as good as mine,
but mine would be 'yes.'
> have a C-128 - the later (AFAIK) model with the built-in disk drive.
That's the 128-D.
> Since I haven't fired it up yet and since the previous owner did a
> number on the innards with crappy wire and crappier solder joints (got
What did he try to do to it, specifically?
> it from a kid who lived 5 minutes from Hara Arena), that will
> be a long,
> slow path. A real 1541 and an X1541 cable is something I could do in
> the forseeable future.
I'm not completely certain how the commodore 128 CP/M works, but if you
mean to extract the contents of the disk to a peesee, I can imagine that
may not work as expected. :) The only way to be sure is to try it,
though.
Chris
Christopher Smith, Perl Developer
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I received a stack of VMS CDs (originals) from a friend. I have no
experience with VMS distrubutions on any media other than tape. How can
I tell from the dates what version of VMS is on them? Is there a one-
page "how-to" for CD ConDists? Were there seperate distros for VAX and
Alpha OpenVMS?
Any pointers for a newbie to VMS-on-CD-ROM would be helpful.
Thanks,
-ethan
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ethan Dicks [mailto:erd_6502@yahoo.com]
> They are labelled with a date and a "x of y". I'm not seeing anything
> that says "Open VMS 6.1" or such.
Right, and they're all condists, right? (I missed that part before)
Does VMS come with the condist, or is it just "other stuff?"
Never seen one, myself, though I have come across VMS OS media on CD
before.
Chris
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Please contact Steve directly if you can help him...
Bill
- - - - -
Date: Sun, 26 May 2002 09:29:04 -0400 (EDT)
From: Stephen L Moshier <steve(a)moshier.net>
To: <mrbill(a)pdp11.org>
Subject: pdp11 hardware
Hi, in the course of answering a question about data formats
for the GNU C compiler PDP-11 maintainer, I just ran across your
fine web site.
I have somewhere around 1000 pounds of Unibus and Q bus PDP-11
hardware down in the basement. If you know of an opportunity to
swap or obtain equipment, what I would like to do (some day)
is get a system running again in order to read out approximately
200 rolls of mag tape that are also stored in the basement
and then probably get rid of most or all of the collection.
The available hard drives are broken or rusted out, unfortunately --
some 5-, 8-, and 14-inch Winchesters, all dead. If you know where
to get working replacements, maybe there is some hope for this
project.
Thanks,
Steve Moshier
From: Stephen L Moshier <steve(a)moshier.net>
To: Bill Bradford <mrbill(a)mrbill.net>
Subject: Re: pdp11 hardware
> Steve - with your permission, I'll forward this email to a
> list of collectors who might be able to read your tapes or help
> get a system working again. Where are you located?
Bill,
The museum pieces and I are in Cambridge, Massachusetts.
You are welcome to send the information to your mailing list,
The stuff has never been inventoried. Some of the items, picked up as
spares, are still in original sealed packaging. The dual DECtape is nice
to look at. It used to work and is probably repairable. I don't
really know how may computers there are. There is an 11-thirty-something,
several 11-04 crates, several LSI-11 crates. The system that I actually
used was handmade from wire-wrapped backplane blocks. There are many
shelf feet of manuals. And so on, to items that are just useless boat anchors.
In case you cross-reference to other brands, I have been
an avid 68000 user too, and the residue includes several Motorola
systems: a VME-10 and two Delta boxes, also an AT&T Unix PC.
Steve
Well currently I don't use any SMD drives on DEC machines; I use them on my
Interdata and on my Perkin-Elmer/Concurrents... But I would like to put SMD
drives on my 11/34A, just don't have a controller.. BTW its a pain to
disassemble a FSD, vacuum up the spiders living inside, and reassemble it..
I recommend covering all holes on the drive somehow to prevent this, if
you're storing it for long periods of time.
Will J
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torquil(a)rockbridge.net wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I am looking for a few of the first mouses IBM made. I would like to acquire one or two of the mouse in this picture. http://members.aol.com/phwimage1/mouse1.jpg . I am using one on this terminal in the library and I just could not get over how cool the mechanical click noise is.
>
>
> Thanks,
> Torquil MacCorkle III
> Lexington, Virginia
I saw one the other day..... can't recall where though :-(
Chad Fernandez
Michigan, USA
In a message dated 5/28/2002 12:20:59 PM Central Daylight Time,
torquil(a)rockbridge.net writes:
> ,
>
> I am looking for a few of the first mouses IBM made. I would like to
> acquire one or two of the mouse in this picture.
> http://members.aol.com/phwimage1/mouse1.jpg . I am using one on this
> terminal in the library and I just could not get over how cool the
> mechanical click noise is.
>
>
>
jeez, i just round filed dozens of them a while back! the buttons start
getting dodgy after long term use.
Hi,
I am looking for a few of the first mouses IBM made. I would like to acquire one or two of the mouse in this picture. http://members.aol.com/phwimage1/mouse1.jpg . I am using one on this terminal in the library and I just could not get over how cool the mechanical click noise is.
Thanks,
Torquil MacCorkle III
Lexington, Virginia
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Doc [mailto:doc@mdrconsult.com]
> I had totally forgotten about that feature. I can't really speak to
> Windows Netscape, but in Linux a downloaded .gz file was guaranteed to
> be corrupt.
I've had it helpfully uncompress the thing automatically, but not
change the name ;) Never corrupt, though.
Chris
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pat Finnegan [mailto:pat@purdueriots.com]
> I hope you have better luck than me. I've never had any luck
> in getting
> an MMJ (RS-423?) console port to work right with a PC's
> serial port, but
> it could just be my stuff....
For the record, they work OK for me, but I don't do it often.
Usually I use _real_ terminals. :)
> [1] I think this should be 0, but could be 1.
"The first port" is a safe way to put it. ;)
Chris
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Sorry for using list traffic for this....
Outlook express ate my inbox saturday, so if anyone is waiting for an email
response from me for something, I probably am no longer aware of that.
If anyone is waiting for a response from me on something, please re-email
the request.
Jay West
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Hi allison
My browser is on the blink so I am trying through the mail .
I also have a anadex dp8000 printer but I do not have the manual to set the
blocks .
Is there a posibility to get some inf o from you ?
Alwyn
Abester@ctech .ac.za
In the continuing project to revive our PDP-9 system, yesterday we
mechanically coupled the TC02 / TU55 bay to the processor. The next
stage is power supply checkout followed by subsystem debug.
I found the TC02 and TU55 maintenance docs online but so far have been
unable to locate the TC02 printset. Anyone have one they could
donate/lend or scan for me?
-- hbp
Hi,
I have powered up my TU78 that I got from Isildur last fall. Given
just the right power plug with 220V it actually powers up and has
a nice sound. I tried to do some stand-alone testing like threading
a tape etc. I am fighting with the automatic threading system. There
is a switch to select Auto and Manual, but in reality a complete
manual threading is not possible at all, i.e. there is no way to
manually see to it the tape gets properly wound on the empty reel.
The automatic threading will suck the tape into all sorts of blind
canals, it's quite funny. Even though I have a TM78 user manual,
the magic of threading isn't described there (guess that's in the
operator's manual?)
The TU78 also has a nice key pad that seems to allow all sorts of
stand-alone testing and diagnosis, but that again is not described
in the TM78 manual. Does anyone of you run a TU78 and could initiate
me into the art of handling one :-)?
I am waiting for my PCM board for the VAX 11/780 before I can
report progress on that end. Will drive to Kansas soon to get
the backplane stuff for the 11/785 boards that I bought last
year.
regards
-Gunther
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> Hello, all:
>
> I'm looking for copies of the following manuals:
>
> * Vector Graphics ZCB (Z80) processor board, S100
> * Vector Graphics 64k RAM board, S100
> * Bitstreamer serial board
>
> I have a Northstar Horizon motherboard and case that's filled with
> VG cards. I've had this system for three years and every once in a while,
> I pick up the project to see if I can get it working. At this point, I'm
> ready to throw in the towel if I can't get it working soon because I need
> the shelf space.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Rich
>
> Rich Cini
> Collector of classic computers
> Build Master for the Altair32 Emulation Project
> Web site: http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/classiccmp/
> /************************************************************/
>
>
>
Hi everyone! :)
I'm just starting to go through a bunch of stuff
kindly given to me by a nice fellow a while ago.
I've got two Cromemco terminals here. I'm trying to
figure out the best (and easiest) way to clean
everything off, keyboards included. If possible, I'm
going to try to not open up the keyboards... the
keycaps don't seem to want to readly come off, so I've
got a giant vat of Q-tips. Sitting next to me is a
venerable can of Endust for Electronics, which claims
to be safe for cleaning such things. (As long, of
course, as nothing goes anywhere it shouldn't.) I
forget where I'd heard it, but there was some rumor a
while ago that it wasn't good for cleaning one of the
things it claimed to cleaan - I just can't remember
which one of the materials was supposed to be bad.
Might anyone have any opinion as to whether it'd be OK
for cleaning the plastic parts of the terminals? ...
Water alone did a pretty good amount of cleaning, but
they still have some dirt stuck in them. They're a
textured plastic - very 70's design - I love 'em +
don't want to hurt them. :)
Thanks in advance!
Have a wonderful day,
Andy
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>The Apple //c that I have has a direct 3-prong plug into the back. What
>kind
>of //c do you have, Tom?
My //c has an external brick that connects using a DIN plug (3 pin? been
a while since I looked at it).
Do you maybe have the //c Plus?
-chris
<http://www.mythtech.net>
Hello, all:
I'm looking for copies of the following manuals:
* Vector Graphics ZCB (Z80) processor board, S100
* Vector Graphics 64k RAM board, S100
* Bitstreamer serial board
I have a Northstar Horizon motherboard and case that's filled with
VG cards. I've had this system for three years and every once in a while, I
pick up the project to see if I can get it working. At this point, I'm ready
to throw in the towel if I can't get it working soon because I need the
shelf space.
Thanks in advance.
Rich
Rich Cini
Collector of classic computers
Build Master for the Altair32 Emulation Project
Web site: http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/classiccmp/
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FYI, when I emailed about the hobbyist licensing.. Of course, havent
they been saying this for a year or so now?
Bill
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To: "'MrBill(a)MrBill.net'" <MrBill(a)MrBill.net>
Subject:
Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 13:57:28 -0400
Dear Bill,
Sorry for the delay in replying. The details on the hobbyist licensing
program will be available on our new website. I was hoping to have the date
of website release. It should be ready to go within the next month or so. I
will let you know when it has been published.
Kind Regards,
Careena Fitzpatrick
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Hello,
I have a VAXstation 4000 model 90 that has the following error when I restart the system. I get the following error:
?? 000 8 SYS 0512
If I run a TEST 8 I get the same thing.
Does anyone know what this is? If so, is there a component failure? My NetBSD seems to run fine, other than not being able to reboot automatically.
Thanks in advance,
Patrick
beeson99(a)aol.com
Looks like we're hitting new lows in signal/noise ratio; I'd guess that we're
probably down to less than 1 percent of text actually being useful information,
and the rest largely confirms the stereotype of 'computer types' as pedantic
and self-important poor communicators with even poorer spelling & grammar
skills.
It is getting less and less worth while to scroll & delete through all this silly
drivel; what other lists do the people on this list know of that more or
less serve the function that this one is/was supposed to without so much crap?
>From the FAQ:
1.1 What is ClassicCmp? It's a mailing list for the discussion of classic computers.
Topics center on collection, restoration, and operation. It is also an appropriate
place for stories and reminiscences of classic computers.
Lofty discussions dealing with the philosophical and/or metaphysical aspects of
computers are often better handled in private e-mail ;)
2.8 Can I type obscenities about Microsoft in ALL CAPS!?! (Or, in general,
be unreasonable with reagard to advocacy posts?) Check your anti-MS baggage
at the door, please. For that matter, drop any posts that serve only to perpetuate the holy wars.
>I have no idea why they are doing this, their englih homepage is "under
>construction".
I think you went to the wrong homepage:-)
The Italian one is mostly in English (until
you hit any of the buttons ... then you
find that either they support their user's
or they are looking for people to collaborate
in creating Client Server Apps and Web Services
and so on).
If, instead, on that ad page, you click on the
"everything start here" link right at the bottom
(in tiny print) you get to:
http://www.rgmconsultants.it/tix/main.asp
which is in English and explains that he
is yet another collector of vintage machines
with a web page.
Antonio
> Do you have the original data sheets for the 2901 too?
yes, several generations of them (2900 -> 2900C)
I also have the Mick and Brick book, and will be putting up
the notes from the 2900 course taught at AMD, and the AMD
app note that shows how to build an 8080 with two 2901s.
On May 25, 1:46, Doc Shipley wrote:
> First the on-topic. Re: the recent thread about the ultra-weird PI
> SIMMs, I did find some 2M modules, and a shop here will do the chip
> conversion to 8M.
Good luck -- let us know how you get on.
> Now the off-topic. I'm going to be doing some testing of a Challenge
> S, and will need to do it from a serial console, as it has no graphics
> option. The serial port's an RS422 just like a Mac, right?
Nearly. Normally it operates in RS423 (RS232-compatible) mode, although
you can switch it to RS422 mode in software. IIRC the manual says that
both pins 4 and 8 are ground. Don't believe it, use pin 4 (or short 4 and
8 at the SGI end). I've seen several cases of wierd behaviour when people
use pin 8 instead, because pin 8 is really just the -ve differential input
to the receiver, in RS422 mode. To use the first serial line as the
console, you should only need pins 3 (TxD), 4 (SG), and 5 (RxD).
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I came across this site today :
http://www.rgmconsultants.it/tix/ad/bro/brochures.asp
It makes available a whole load, well 84, of old computer ads and
brochures. Most are in italian. After selecting from the list, click on
the ad image to get a larger, readable version.
I have no idea why they are doing this, their englih homepage is "under
construction".
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Gunther Schadow <gunther(a)aurora.regenstrief.org> wrote:
> Hi, my neighbor's work place used to have some HP minicomputer,
> HP 3000 (? I don't know anything about HP minis.) They plan to
> get rid of it sometimes soon. Anybody interested? I am not
> interested in it myself but I could potentially store it in
> my garage on a (very) temporary basis. I don't know exactly when
> it will be available and under which conditions, but I'll
> follow up.
I'm thinking you should ask "what series?" and try to get some idea what
size it is and what else you might have to haul away to get it, like
its peripherals. If it's a smallish 9x7 or 9x8, or a Micro GX/LX/RX,
you might have room for it after all.
-Frank McConnell
BTW, is it appropriate to (re)post classic hardware for sale, to the
CCTECH list? I would think so, since none of us want to see it get
scrapped...
In my daily browsing of the newsgroups, I happened upon this pretty
nice setup. I'd try to grab it for myself if I could, but alas...
*** Reply to Les (les(a)uwo.ca), not me...
Subject: VAX Hardware Anyone?
Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 16:09:28 -0400
From: "Les Flodrowski" <les(a)uwo.ca>
Organization: The University of Western Ontario, London, Ont. Canada
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec
We have a dual VAX 4500a (4000-500a) cluster to dispose of.
It consists of the following components:
- 2 VAX 4500a systems clustered with the following storage arrays
- R400X DSSI Storage cabinet with 6 x DSSI 1.0GB - 1.6GB drives
- StorageWorks cabinet with 3 x 4.3GB SCSI drives
- TX87 DLT Tape drive
- TU81 Plus Magtape drive
- VAX 4500a system complete spare
At this time we are simply trying to find out if there is
any interest in the community for these systems. If you are
interested, and would like to make a serious offer, please
contact me.
BTW, we also have all media and documentation for VAX/VMS and
a number of related applications.
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On the left side of the platen is a clutch bar, usually black. Does it
slide freely back and forth? Does the long horizontal plastic piece below
the platen move up and down? Are any ribbon cables loose from the main
board?
My main printer is a DJ 540 and I used to repair inkjet printers for a
living. I'll dig up my troubleshooting sheets and e-mail them to you
tonight. If you cannot get it to work then perhaps this weekend we can
talk on the telephone for a few minutes to troubleshoot the printer.
Paul R. Santa-Maria
Monroe, Michigan USA
Yeah, all my SMD disks are of the CDC FSD variety.. 300MB but 8"...though I
have a pair of bigger EMD drives, I'd love to find more but I never find SMD
disks.. I do have an IPI drive though.
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[Now that I finally sorted out the new ways of classiccmp.]
Hi,
in my VAX 11/780 I have the PDP-11/03 alias KC780. And it has
the following memory board right now:
M7944 MSV11-B Q 4-Kword 16-bit MOS RAM (external refresh)
But, since I'm planning to upgrade to an 11/785 I need additional
RAM. When it showed up on ePay I purchased a
M8044-DA MSV11-DD Q 32-Kword 16-bit MOS RAM
but the boot program will not load with this. Why would that be?
From the error I got it appeared as if may be there is just some
jumpering to do, but I have no clue as to where and what.
Looking at the UNIBUS/Q-bus field guide beginning from M7944
and then scanning forward to the next MSV11 I find:
M7955-AD MSV11-CD Q 16-Kword 16-bit MOS RAM with on-board refresh
and then the family of M8044s
M8044-AA MSV11-DA Q 4-Kword 16-bit MOS RAM
M8044-AA (Also M8044-AB, -AC, -AD)
M8044-AA Refs: EK-MSVI1-OP, MP-00566
M8044-BA MSV11-DB Q 8-Kword 16-bit MOS RAM
M8044-BA (Also M8044-BB, -BC, -BD)
M8044-BA Refs: EK-MSVI1-OP, MP-00566
M8044-CA MSV11-DC Q 16-Kword 16-bit MOS RAM
M8044-CA (Also M8044-CB, -CC, -CD, -CE, -CF, -CH, -CL, -CM)
M8044-CA Refs: EK-MSVI1-OP, MP-00566
M8044-DA MSV11-DD Q 32-Kword 16-bit MOS RAM
M8044-DA (Also M8044-DB, -DC, -DD, -DE, -DF, -DH, -DL, -DM)
M8044-DA Refs: EK-MSVI1-OP, MP-00566
Does that mean that I should have the M7955-AD RAM instead?
This is confusing. And I'm not even asking for Q22 bus or PMI
memory stuff. What's the thing I'm missing?
thanks,
-Gunther
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I was given a an HP Deskjet 540. I bought a rebuilt ink cartidge for
it, which is over 20 dollars, so I'd like to get it working if I can.
The thing tells me it's out of paper even when it has paper. It just
doesn't want to grab it.... it doesn't even try. Is this something that
is easily fixed, or do I need to toss the printer?
The head seems to move back an forth just fine, but after it "discovers"
that it has no paper it just sits.
Chad Fernandez
Michigan, USA
Hi, my neighbor's work place used to have some HP minicomputer,
HP 3000 (? I don't know anything about HP minis.) They plan to
get rid of it sometimes soon. Anybody interested? I am not
interested in it myself but I could potentially store it in
my garage on a (very) temporary basis. I don't know exactly when
it will be available and under which conditions, but I'll
follow up.
regards,
-Gunther
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Hi friends, luck was on my side today. I just won a government
auction VAX 4000-200 with 3 RF72 DSSI disks in a nice pedestal
for five bucks! :-) :-) The shipping from Salem, OH to Indy will
add up to quite a bit more, but it could have been that and $200
if the market had been responsive to those as it usually is. This
is quite likely the last VAX that will have a permanent place in
my home (yea right, they all say that :-). I will probably get
another VAX 6000 sometime soon, which I will give away to Micheal
McCabe, if he still wants one. Next summer I am planning on two
6630 but those will be merged to one 6660 and then swapped against
one of my 6400s. That will make another two 6420s available. And
those go to Shengchao Li and/or Isildur, if they want them by then.
regards,
-Gunther
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Thanks, the test was fine today. Sorry to bother you with this, Jay.
-Gunther
Pete Turnbull wrote:
> On May 25, 13:14, Gunther Schadow wrote:
>
>>[I think I can still not post to cctalk, even though I'm subscribed.
>> may be it just doesn't echo it back to me. Could someone send me an
>> ACK if (s)he sees this message? Jay, could you check the maillog again
>> for what's wrong?] Thanks!!!
>>
>
> I got it OK...
>
>
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[I think I can still not post to cctalk, even though I'm subscribed.
may be it just doesn't echo it back to me. Could someone send me an
ACK if (s)he sees this message? Jay, could you check the maillog again
for what's wrong?] Thanks!!!
Hi,
I don't understand MSV11 MOS RAM. I tried to use M8044 in a PDP11/03
and it won't work. This is the KC780 which I want to provide with
more memory in order to get ready for my upgrade to the VAX 11/785.
But the console program won't accept it. It seems to mumble about
something that might be fixable with the dip-switches or jumpers on
the card. What could it be?
thanks,
-Gunther
PS: I can post more detail, but for now I'm just fighting with
classiccmp to make it accept and forward my posts. Thanks.
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Yesterday, I discovered part of an AT&T model 705MT terminal in a
thrift shop... it was just missing the keyboard. At the time, I
didn't know that it was a "multitasking" terminal - still not sure
what that means, but I figured that it should be possible to find a
keyboard for it somewhere at some point in time. From what I can
tell, it's VT100, etc. compatible. Since it was priced at only US$4
for the base unit, which appeared to be in good cosmetic condition,
except for some screen burn, I bought it.
Is anyone on this list familiar with these terminals? What is a
"multitasking terminal"?
...also bought an Insync 1428NI monitor for US$4, thinking it to be
a generic VGA monitor (taking a guess at this).
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Jim Battle asked for info on how his Econoram X is configured. I
finally got the manual out to look at it. Guess I should scan it
(12pp) before I put it away again.
Econoram X is a 32Kx8 RAM board, designed for compatibility with
the proposed IEEE standard for the S-100 bus. Date on the manual
is 1/79.
The board is addressable as three blocks of RAM: two blocks of 8KB
called blocks A and B, and one block of 16KB called block C. The 8KB
blocks reside at 8KB boundaries and the 16KB block resides at a 16KB
boundary. Each block may also be disabled. Blocks A and B can be write
protected, and each half of block C can be write protected.
S1:
1: block A write enable (write enabled if on, protected if off)
2: block B write enable
3: block C lower 8KB write enable
4: block C upper 8KB write enable
5: block A disable (disabled if on)
6: block B disable
7: block C disable
8: write strobe select
grounds S-100 bus pin 68/MWRITE, should be off if your front
panel or CPU board drives this
S2:
1-3: block A base address (1,2,3 are address bits 15,14,13)
4-6: block B base address (4,5,6 are address bits 15,14,13)
7-8: block C base address (7,8 are address bits 15,14)
J1: (down by bus connector, near U7)
if installed, board supports PHANTOM feature
(Note there is also an Econoram Xa which is different: it is two
16KB blocks which can be located within a 64KB extended-address
block, i.e. it knows about the IEEE 696 extended addressing, unlike
the Econoram X.)
-Frank McConnell
Hello everyone, I like the new discussion system. Anyway, could someone
please write directly to this man and possibly help him out?
Please reply to: malcolmdean(a)earthlink.net
--------------------------------------------------
Say, here's a question: I have several Displaywriter systems plus an extra
keyboard, which in my opinion was the best every produced.
I would like to interface the keyboard with a modern PC. I've been through
months of trying to network within IBM and with the person who originally
ported MS-DOS for the Displaywriter, but all I've got so far is that the
keyboard PROBABLY has a standard IBM serial interface, and it MAY be
possible to write PC software which would translate the serial input into
"normal" keycodes.
Any suggestions?
Malcolm
? McFadden, please call Joe Rigdon on his cell phone . . . he's in the
middle of Kansas somewhere.
I tried mcfadden(a)cmh.edu, and got a reject. If anyone else knows your
correct addy, pass it along so we can get connected
Gary Hildebrand
St. Joseph, MO
My "new" Microvax 3100/90 has 4 serial ports, 3 MMJ's and one DB25-M. The
MMJ's are numbered 0, 1, and 3, and the DB25-M is labeled 2. I assume the
one labeled 0 is the console OPA0 port. There is a big yellow sticker above
the ports that says "0 OPA0" but it has a big arrow pointing to the RIGHT.
(the ports are numbered 0, 1, 3, 2 from left to right). This sticker seems
to be really odd.
My MMJ cable should arrive Tuesday. I'm planning to connect to my PC serial
port and use a terminal emulator to control the console. I assume I need a
null-modem/crossover cable to go from my PC COM port to the MMJ jack...
Correct me if I'm wrong.
Does anyone know if it is possible to use the DB25-M port as OPA0 instead,
like you can on the VAXstations? My MMJ will be here on Tuesday, but if I
could use the DB25-M, I could get my machine up and running this weekend :)
- Bob
Unfortunately, www.dec.com is one of the blocked sites...
"Per the request of the site owner, http://www.dec.com
is no longer available in the Wayback Machine. Try
another request or click here to see if the page is
available, live, on the Web."
Damn!
Megan Gentry
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Hi.
I have a 1GB 5,25" SMD disk from Seagate. It is a ST-41097J or
ST-41201J. I didn't identify it yet exactely. All I found is the quick
spec: st41097j.txt st41201j.txt, but I need the full manual with a
description of the DIP switches and the pinout of the power connector.
Has anyone this information? This disk and my QD33 would be a really
nice disk sub system for my portable VAX / PDP11 project....
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Someone whispered to me that ftp.digital.com seems to be evaporating?
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> From: Jay West
>
> this one should include non-digest subscribers
>
I think all the pertinent hardware is really a couple of years too
young, but hey.
First the on-topic. Re: the recent thread about the ultra-weird PI
SIMMs, I did find some 2M modules, and a shop here will do the chip
conversion to 8M. With the caveat that he has no way to test the
finished product, and offers no guarantee at all. He has worked on RAM
for me in the past with very satisfactory results. It's M.C. Howard,
here in Austin, they have a toll-free number listed on their website -
http://www.mchoward.com - and the solder-wizard's name is Mel. They've
been around for a very long time.
Now the off-topic. I'm going to be doing some testing of a Challenge
S, and will need to do it from a serial console, as it has no graphics
option. The serial port's an RS422 just like a Mac, right? So a Mac
printer cable from the Challenge to the Indigo2 serial port should work?
I suppose I could figure out which one of my DE9-RS422 adapters isn't a
null, chain that to a DE9-MMJ and just use the VT420, but that sounds
sort of screwy, and not nearly as fun.
Doc
I need an EDAC connector for the DEC CR-11 (Documation M200) punch card
reader I am trying to interface.
This is 1-5/8" wide by 3/4" high. It has 37 conductors and is of the
female persuasion. I need it's male counterpart to breed it.
Does anyone have a spare/know of a source?
Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Richard Erlacher [mailto:edick@idcomm.com]
> DIN-5 cable - ~1 meter
> DIN-5 cable - ~3 meter (home-made)
This reminds me -- isn't standard MIDI also a DIN-5? Is it the
same plug? If so, will the cables work? I might have to test
this out.
Chris
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Amdocs - Champaign, IL
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'
Greetings all,
Picked up a CBM 8032 today, amongst other good stuff a little more
recently produced.
I've plugged in and attempted to power it up, but I get zip... Bad power
supply I guess?
Anyone got any experience with these units, and/or fixing them?
My favourite feature so far:
The keyboard/monitor tips up and backwards and there is a prop rod to hold
the upper chassis up, just like a hood prop :)
JP
> There was supposed to be an AMD assmebler for these chips.
There was an entire CP/M based development system called the
amsys/29 that AMD sold, which included AMDASM. I just scanned
in the docs, and will be up on www.spies.com/aek/pdf/amd/2900
in a few days.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gary Hildebrand [mailto:ghldbrd@ccp.com]
> BTW, the standard MIDI cables are DIN-5, with pin 3 (middle one) as
> shield/ground, pins 4&5 are a current loop to the LED in the
> opto-isolators. I just bought a handful of DIN-5 plugs from
> Mouser and
> used shielded audio pair. I'd use god mic cable if you need something
> more rugged.
I might try making some drive cables up -- I have three 1541 drives
(I think three...) setting in the basement doing nothing. A shame
when they could be attached to a commodore which is also doing nothing
at the moment ;)
Chris
Christopher Smith, Perl Developer
Amdocs - Champaign, IL
/usr/bin/perl -e '
print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n");
'
Sellam Wrote...
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I need an EDAC connector for the DEC CR-11 (Documation M200) punch card
reader I am trying to interface.
This is 1-5/8" wide by 3/4" high. It has 37 conductors and is of the
female persuasion. I need it's male counterpart to breed it.
Does anyone have a spare/know of a source?
____________________________________________________________
Oh yeah, THAT critter! Interestingly enough, it is still a production
part (popular in the commercial aircraft world among others) and I got
some for my reader from Grainger.
To quote 'Beat The Geeks' (I love that show - should do a variation of
that at VCF, no?) "That's the good news, now the bad news..."
They run about $90 EACH! (eek!)
Altho if you guilt trip on me bad enuf, I did buy two and might even know
where the spare is... (maybe, sorta, aprox...)
-jim
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The Computer Garage - http://www.rdrop.com/~jimw
What kind of RAM do I need for an m40? Is it the same as the m38/m48?
I've got 16MB in mine now, but I'd like to take that up to the max if I get
a chance.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ethan Dicks [mailto:erd_6502@yahoo.com]
> I'm sure that Ethernet was standard on the VAXstation 2000. I have at
I didn't know that.
> least one MicroVAX 2000 - it has the DHT32 8-port serial option, but
I've seen two, both with ethernet.
> did not come with Ethernet. It came out of a law office that had
> terminals on everyone's desk (I got it when they asked their support
> guys how much it would cost to add another 8 terminals - they went
> with PC-XTs...)
Funny and tragic at the same time.
> > Wolfgang Moeller's SCSI drivers for these systems. (Which I've not
> > tried yet, but will eventually...
> I haven't tried that either. I got it as patches, but not patches
> to my version of the ROMs. I got them as a solid block of code to
> be split into ROM images, but haven't played the swapping game to
> figure out which ROM works in which socket. :-(
Hmm -- he also has a "boot disk" that will supposedly make them work
without patching the ROMS, or you can install the driver into a VMS
system on an MFM disk, and still use SCSI disks, without either the
boot disk or the ROM patch.
Wolfgang is a helpful guy, and last I talked to him I got the
impression that he'd very much like to see somebody other than himself
use them ;)
Chris
Christopher Smith, Perl Developer
Amdocs - Champaign, IL
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print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n");
'
In a message dated 5/23/02 10:22:07 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
doc(a)mdrconsult.com writes:
> Hurts a _hell_ of a lot worse than getting shot.
>
This I have to disagree with, Having taken two 45 slugs for selling a
fictional Laser Sculpting Tool I think that actually getting shot is much
more painful.
The short story is that a local crazy thought I sold a laser to a couple of
other locals who were going to use it to give him a lobotomy (1980). He came
looking for them. When I told him it wasn't true, he shot me.
The moral is not to tell a crazy that he is wrong.
I only spent 11 days in the hospital thanks to an Ex Air Force doctor that
had had experience with gunshots. No permanent disabilities, thank goodness.
In the long run it lead me to moving to Portland and getting into the
computer business. If I hadn't gotten shot many of you on the list would not
have gotten the classics from me that you did. (to make it a little on
topic.)
Paxton
Astoria. OR
I just picked up one of those today. I'm not sure of the date, but I think it
might only be 7.5-8 yrs old, making it slightly OT...
anyway, does anyone know anything about this box? All I've been able to find
out so far is that it was the first marketed SPARC64 machine, it was
technically very good, but was a total market failure. In other words, it's
obscure and weird, perfect for a classiccmp find ;) It's a sun-compatible box
-- I've fired it up with a serial console and I get a sun-ish OpenBoot prompt,
etc.
So, my question is, does anyone know more about this thing? Anyone have docs,
OS media (if it won't run normal solaris...not sure), or anything?
Thanks!
- Dan Wright
(dtwright(a)uiuc.edu)
(http://www.uiuc.edu/~dtwright)
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For he on honeydew hath fed, / and drunk the milk of Paradise.''
Samuel Taylor Coleridge, Kubla Khan
> Might it be possible to use the colour output when connected
> to the TV? Now that would be an interesting appliance?
Shoot, I think just getting it to work in monochrome on a TV is interesting!
> > Is VENIX worth trying on this thing?
>
> I don't know what VENIX is or how it works, but I get the
> impression that VENIX was used on the PRO350 when
> the PRO350 was used as the console device for the
> VAX 780??????
VENIX is a UNIX varient. Personally, of all the OS's available I'd
recommend RT-11. My Pro380 was originally a VAX console (they were used on
the 8000 somethings). It's still got the software for that on the hard
drive. I'm not sure what exactly it is, other than I don't think it's P/OS,
and it's most definitly not RT-11 or a UNIX varient.
I think it's also possible to run a version of 2.xBSD (2.9 IIRC) on the
Pro's.
Zane