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CoCo's *are* real... (was: OT: PC Motherboard with a vacuum tube

by tlindner＠ix.netcom.com

> On Fri, 6 Sep 2002, Roger Merchberger wrote: > >> Define "real" -- Admittedly, the CoCo1's chicklet keyboard sucked bigtime, >> but The CoCo2/3's keyboard is as good as anything made nowadays... (that's > > With one glaring exception: NO CONTROL KEY. > > What computer comes without a CONTROL key? Sellam's been dying to bring that up. Did you notice that "Control" key on that CoCo 3 of yours? Anyway I think most CoCo 1-2 terminal emulators use the Break key as a control key. Not very slick, but it worked. What really sucked was the 32 column screen. I never bought one of the many 80 column cards, they were all serial based. Only useful under OS-9. It is funny how many places you wil find Motorola's VDG (MC6847). > That and the RF video out only with no built-in composite video output > would have made the CoCo a complete lemon if it weren't for the > brilliance of the users that managed to extend and expand it. And OS-9 > was also a definite plus. I'm curious, what experience have you had with OS-9? -- tim lindner tlindner(a)ix.netcom.com "Life. Don't talk to me about life." - Marvin, the android

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Who was looking for old VMS for an 11/750??

by jwillis＠arielusa.com

Cool. So you have an 11/750. I'm curious, what did you do about powering it? I heard they require three-phase 240V power. best john -----Original Message----- From: Brian Hechinger Sent: Sat 9/14/2002 1:32 PM To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Cc: Subject: Re: Who was looking for old VMS for an 11/750?? On Sat, Sep 14, 2002 at 12:33:51PM -0600, John Willis wrote: > I'm looking for an actual 11/750 system. but this message has > piqued my curiosity. Do 11/750s not run the VMS hobbyist > kit from montagar? * The minimum memory requirement for OpenVMS Vax Version 7.2 is 4 megabytes. Additional components, such as DECnet for OpenVMS VAX, DIGITAL TCP/IP Services, or VAXcluster, require more memory to ensure satisfactory performance. * The MA780 shared memory is not supported. * You cannot install or upgrade to the OpenVMS VAX Version 7.2 operating system on the following VAX computers and system disks: Computers: MicroVAX I, VAXstation I, VAXstation 8000, VAX--11/725, and VAX--11/782 System disks: RK07, RL02, RC25, RD32, RD51, RD52, RD53, RZ22, RZ25, and RZ23L so the answer is, with enough memory, and the right disks, yes you can. however, the reasons for running pre-7.2 are usually nostalgic. i run 7.2 on all my machines, but only because i'm new to VMS and don't need the added confusion of multiple versions. plus there is the fact that i have all my VAXen clustered, so they all need to be about the same version. for nostalgia, i have an 11/750 that has 4.3 BSD on it since that was where i had my first unix account in college. -brian -- "Oh, shut up Buddha." -Jesus Christ (South Park)

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Who was looking for old VMS for an 11/750??

by jwillis＠arielusa.com

I'm looking for an actual 11/750 system. but this message has piqued my curiosity. Do 11/750s not run the VMS hobbyist kit from montagar? -----Original Message----- From: Brian Hechinger Sent: Sat 9/14/2002 11:07 AM To: Classic CMP Cc: Subject: Who was looking for old VMS for an 11/750?? email me off list. i might be able to help you out. -brian -- <ed> i'm trying to use a windows shell function to move a directory... <ed> and it reports that it failed with the error "the operation completed successfully"

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HP CS/80 Instruction Set Programmers Manual (5955-3442)

by glenslick＠hotmail.com

I did get a private reply with a temporary pointer to the CS/80 spec so I now have a copy. Thanks to some help from Bob I got past the HP 2117F power supply issue so now the box is not totally dead. Some day after I figure out a lot more about how this system works I'll have to try building an HPIB cable to connect to the 12821A disc interface in the system and see if I can get it to talk to one of my CS/80 drives. Apparently this box has a CS/80 boot prom which I have been told is not too common. -Glen >From: Joe <rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com> >Reply-To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org >To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org >Subject: Re: HP CS/80 Instruction Set Programmers Manual (5955-3442) Date: >Fri, 13 Sep 2002 17:14:48 > >At 11:22 PM 9/12/02 -0700, you wrote: > >Does anyone on the list have a copy of this manual that can be copied or > >scanned, or is there a scanned copy on the net somewhere already? > > > I think Frank McConnell has one. He used to be on this list but I >haven't seen anything from him in quite a spell. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com

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Deskstation Raptor 3 for sale.

by listor＠melin.org

Available in the Stockholm, Sweden area, I have to get rid of some computers due to the wife-is-getting-sort-of-mad-at-this-computer-collecting-business-problem and this one must go : Deskstation Raptor 3, featuring : Full Tower Case Alpha 21164 UniFlex Motherboard 4 PCI / 3 ISA slots Dual SCSI II ports 2 serial / 1 parallel ports 1.44 Floppy Drive 96MB RAM / 2MB SRAM Cache 1.9GB SCSI II Hard Drive S3 something VGA card (will produce 1024x768 in 16bit color) 10/100 NIC with Digital chipset that works great with NT4 The computer works great. The only thing that needs replacing are two 8cm fans that was mounted in the front panel of the case. They were completely shot and I removed them a while ago. Please email any bids, small or large to joacim at melin dot org. I will ship wherever but please bare in mind that this box runs on 220 volts power and purchaser will pay for all shipping costs and other fees. I don't have any illusions of making a ton of money out of this box but I want it to find a good home and not being dumped somewhere, which is what will happen if I don't find a new owner for it. To sum up - it's a great box. It won't run Linux or any flavor of BSD but it's still a great machine to run as a server. I have tried to boot the Windows 2000 RC1 beta on it but it never get's pass the boot screen... Joacim

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Have DG AV530s, need media/docs

by classiccmp＠crash.com

I've recently come into posession of two working Data General AViiON AV530 workstations, and an as-yet un-tested AV410. Copyrights on the PCBs indicate a 1990 provenence so I think I'm okay WRT list rules... ;^) First question: Anybody have bootable media that they could see fit to duplicate or loan? None of the BSDs seem to have made it to the DG m88k boxes, though many people have asked and some work has been done. (Last time I checked was a while ago, though...) Second: Anybody have docs for this model, paper or 'lectronic? Third: The AV530s are dual-capable - can I just pull the CPU from one AV530 and pop it on top of the connector blocks on the other AV530? Wouldn't mind hearing from someone before I discover the answer myself via a smoke test... There are jumpers that are labeled clearly WRT running sinle- or dual-processor, but is there anything else I need to know? Thanks, --Steve. Steve Jones ...!uunet!crash.com!smj Arlington, Mass. CRASH!! Computing (any spambots parse bang paths?) "Chaos will ensue if the variable i is altered..." - SysV Programmers Guide

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Available - UK- Tricom Custodian II Network Security Controller

by dave＠naffnet.org.uk

Hi, Looking for a home is a Tricom Custodian II network security controller. This is a device that sits between modems and equipment to be protected (host computer/terminal server etc.), and provides a layer of extra security, including ring-back. This is a 19" rack-mounting unit with dual (one redundant) power supplies. The frame itself consists of a backplane that accepts HD63B09 (6809 compatible) SBCs, each controlling two host/modem pails (four serial lines). The frame accepts one Supervisory Module. and up to 16 Line modules (the cards are distinguished only by their firmware). The Supervisory Module has connects to a serial log printer and a terminal. With the frame comes the SM and four LMs, and cables to suit (so up to eight lines could be protected). There is a manual, too, but I have put it in a safe place, so it'll have to follow the unit when it re-surfaces. The system is menu-driven, and is fairly intuitive, so this should not be a problem. I am looking for some sort of swap:- I would love a KA655 CPU for my uVAX, perhaps with some (up to two) 16MB memory cards to suit, or a very basic EIS '11 QBUS system (no need for storage, just CPU/serial/memory). I am, of course, open to other offers... The beast weighs in the region of 12Kg, plus cables, so collection might be the best option (west Berkshire), although I'm sure that Parcel Force would appreciate the business. Cheers, Dave.

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Your M20 problems

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

Hi Hans It just occurred to me that your system may have the same problem mine did when I first got it. I was seeing occasional bad reads. I took the drives apart to clean the heads when I noticed something funny. Both disk drives had terminators installed. I removed one of these and my problems went away. It was such a long time ago that I'd forgot about it. While tracing down signals for my 512K fix, I noticed the terminator R-Pack that I'd taped to the disk drive ( I try to follow the first rule of intelligent tinkering: "Save All the Pieces" ). I had to go back through the thought process of why it was there. Eventually, I remembered that you were having drive problems. Strange how the mind works sometimes. Dwight

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CP/M-8000

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

Hi He should also be aware of the manuals at: http://www.spies.com/~aek/pdf/digitalResearch/ and http://www.retrocomputing-world.com/biblio/cpu/z8000/z8000.html Chris and I are working on getting CPM-8000 up and running on our M20's. It has been a slow project. I just yesterday figured out how to get the machines to take 512K of RAM ( CPM8000 needed 128K of free RAM and the normal 224K system was not big enough ). Chris is already quite handy with the assembler but I've mostly been looking at hardware issues with the help of the manuals from Hans Pufal. Progress is being made but it is slow. It takes me several hours to pull the 16K DRAMs to stick in 64K one on the expansion boards. I currently only have one card modified for a total of 256K ( w/ motherboard ). When I do all three, I'll be at 512K ( a power user ). Dwight >From: "Christian Groessler" <cpg(a)aladdin.de> > >Hi, > >On 09/13/2002 10:55:11 PM ZE2 jurjen.kranenborg wrote: >> >>In case you still are looking for it, here's the link to the >>officilial DR distribution of CP/M-8000 tuned to the M20: >>http://www.cpm.z80.de/source.html >>On this page you will find the link to CP/M-8000 distributions > >Thanks. I knew this already :-) > > >>I have a few questions concerning the z8001 and accompanying >>software, may I get in contact with you about this (I am planning to >>build a Z8001 system myself (in the year 2002? Yes, because I bought >>the parts in 1985 and I rediscovered them just recently) > >Yes, sure. > >regards, >chris > >

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CP/M-8000

by cpg＠aladdin.de

Hi, On 09/13/2002 10:55:11 PM ZE2 jurjen.kranenborg wrote: > >In case you still are looking for it, here's the link to the >officilial DR distribution of CP/M-8000 tuned to the M20: >http://www.cpm.z80.de/source.html >On this page you will find the link to CP/M-8000 distributions Thanks. I knew this already :-) >I have a few questions concerning the z8001 and accompanying >software, may I get in contact with you about this (I am planning to >build a Z8001 system myself (in the year 2002? Yes, because I bought >the parts in 1985 and I rediscovered them just recently) Yes, sure. regards, chris

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HP CS/80 Instruction Set Programmers Manual (5955-3442)

by glenslick＠hotmail.com

Does anyone on the list have a copy of this manual that can be copied or scanned, or is there a scanned copy on the net somewhere already? I have a couple of CS/80 HPIB disk drives and I am curious how they are controlled and would like to read the CS/80 programming manual if I can find one. The drives I have are a 9133H which is a combo 20MB hard drive and floppy drive unit which I have used with my HP IPC, and a 2203A which is a whopping 670MB dual disk unit which I haven't hooked up to anything yet. Was that the biggest CS/80 HPIB drive HP ever made? Some day I'll try interfacing one of the drives to the HP 2117F box I have if I can ever figure out how to get it to power up. -Glen _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx

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WTB: DEC VAX 11/750 in New Mexico, W. Texas, Arizona

by jwillis＠arielusa.com

Wanted to buy: Digital Equipment Corporation VAX 11/750 system In New Mexico, West Texas or Arizona would be best as these are heavy and expensive to ship. John Perkins Willis Software Engineer/Database Architect Ariel Technologies (505) 524-6860 jwillis(a)arielusa.com

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Almost OT?: The origin of the smiley emoticon...

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

> From: Eric Smith [mailto:eric@brouhaha.com] > > > > Is that the article that claims that no smiley's were ever > used before > > 1982? > > He doesn't claim that. He claims that he independently > invented it and started the use of it on the Internet. > Actually, if you go the the bottom of the page here... http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/~sef/sefSmiley.htm ... I don't think he is claiming that he started the use of it, he seems to only be concluding that. He says "...but it is pretty clear from the timing that my suggestion was the one that finally took hold..." Of course, everyone interprets written words in different ways... -- --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818

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74H52 chip

by ard＠p850ug1.demon.co.uk

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ATM NIC trade?

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

I have the opportunity to set up some ATM networking kit and I'd like to include one of my SGI machines in the system. I'm looking for a GIO bus ATM NIC for an Indy or Indigo2. I have a brand-new-in-box Newbridge VIVID S-Bus ATM (OC-3, 155Mb/s) card with Solaris drivers to trade, preferably to someone in the UK. BTW, anyone (again, in the UK, because you'd have to collect it) want some Newbridge ATM kit, going fairly cheap? -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Broken mouse!

by hansp＠aconit.org

I have been asked if I can repair or replace a broken mouse. It is for a CDC Cyber 910 workstation, the mouse is obviously manufactured by Mouse Systems, its number is MSC 401162-006/E The connection is a DE9 male connector which connects to the system keyboard. The problem is that the mouse was dropped and only one LED works. The mouse allows horizontal cursor movement but not vertical. If anyone has a replacement available or can provide additional information please contact me off list. -- hbp

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Reveal external CD-ROM

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Sep 11, 23:55, Justin Frim wrote: > $20 to anyone who can find me an MS-DOS driver for a Reveal external 2X CD-ROM drive, model CD 610, FCC ID: > 138-EXT-CDROMSLM > > Specifics: > ISA controller card: Reveal Computer Products Inc, V1.2, FCC ID: 138-MMCD861 > CD-ROM drive: Matsushita-Kotobuki Electronics Industries Ltd, model CD-563-B, FCC ID: IUO9TB008CRB > > DIP switch information for switch bank SW1 on the controller card would also be useful. Did you try a Google search? I did, after I discovered there wasn't enough information in your message or my old Reveal manuals to be sure what I have is what you want. The first hit for "reveal CD610" leads to this page: http://ellingson.com/reveal/products/cdrom/ which will allow you to tell which model you really have, and download the drivers atc. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Software & docs for Shiva Fastpath 4 box

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Sep 12, 9:51, Ethan Dicks wrote: > --- Carlos Murillo <carlos_murillo(a)epm.net.co> wrote: > > >> Now I have another question: How do you connect the Fastpath 4's > > >> DE-9 Localtalk connector to a phonenet network? > > >With a standard (ancient) DE-9<->PhoneNet adapter. Barring that, I > > >have made DIN-8 to DE-9 LocalTalk adapters > > > > >You would need a female DIN-8 connector to go the other way. > > > > That would be the trickiest part... I think that I should > > try wiring the DE9 directly to a 4wire phone cable; it is easier > > to find a phone cable than a female DIN8. > > That won't work. The LocalTalk/PhoneNet adapters are not passthrus. > Apple LocalTalk adapters contain self-terminating connectors (the > plastic pip in the end of the cable pushes on a switch that disengages > the internal terminator; PhoneNet adapters use RJ-11s with > external terminators), and both adapters contain at least a transformer, > IIRC to couple the Mac to the network. There might also be a resistor > or two in the adapter. I haven't opened up one in over 10 years. All the commercial LocalTalk and Phonenet adaptors contain an isolating transformer, which is carefully designed to preserve nice clean square waves from one side of the interface to the other. Note that you can't just use any old small transformer! There's a web page describing the innards at http://ground.ecn.uiowa.edu/apple2/MiscInfo/Hardware/appletalk.phonenet It's also commonly believed that the Farallon Phonenet system using unsheilded cable works better than Apple's own grounded shielded cable system. However, I have seen one DIY design that didn't use an isolating transformer. Called CapNet, it was intended for small networks, and used capacitors to acheive some degree of isolation. A slightly updated version was claimed to work with printers and the like. http://hyperarchive.lcs.mit.edu/HyperArchive/Abstracts/info/hdwr/at-connect… http://www.loten-am-mac.yucom.be/cap1.htm -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Reveal external CD-ROM

by jfrim＠idirect.com

$20 to anyone who can find me an MS-DOS driver for a Reveal external 2X CD-ROM drive, model CD 610, FCC ID: 138-EXT-CDROMSLM Specifics: ISA controller card: Reveal Computer Products Inc, V1.2, FCC ID: 138-MMCD861 CD-ROM drive: Matsushita-Kotobuki Electronics Industries Ltd, model CD-563-B, FCC ID: IUO9TB008CRB DIP switch information for switch bank SW1 on the controller card would also be useful. BTW, I'm not really offering $20... just gratitude. But that's priceless, right? ;) And if anyone's wondering why I'd want to use such an old peripheral, it's because it's going on a dedicated network server I'm setting up (FTP, HTTP, SMTP, NAT, Socks5, and DHCP). The server only needs a CD-ROM for two things: #1, installing the operating system (Win32. Don't laugh. I'm no UNIX pro) and software distributed by CD (this is a one-time thing). #2, providing an "online CD of the week" available for download by FTP and HTTP (the bottleneck will be in the server's internet connection bandwidth anyways, not the CD-ROM speed)

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VAXstation 3520 (was: Re: MasPar, anyone?)

by IVIE＠cc.usu.edu

Jochen Kunz wrote: > On 2002.09.11 08:18 Roger Ivie wrote: > > They used the VAXstation 3520 because they got a real good deal on > > them from DEC, who was anxious to sell the thing. I designed the > > interface between the 3520 and the MasPar which, AFAIK, was the > > only 3rd party interface done for the 3520's proprietary MBUS. > Du you still have access to doc about the VAXstation 3520 and its MBUS? > NetBSD on a VS 3520 or 3540 would be so nice as NetBSD VAX supports SMP > for more than a year now... I do have some docs. The stuff I have is mostly hardware oriented; it talks about the bus protocol more than the registers and console firmware implementation, which is what you would be interested in. However, I'm in the process of moving, so I'm not sure what box it would be in. I also don't know what the NetBSD group's attitude toward underground document shipments is; I acquired the stuff under NDA and was probably supposed to destroy it when the project was over. If someone had a good way to anonymously donate sensitive documents to the NetBSD project, I might have several they would be interested in. Or perhaps not. It may be the case that I could put my hands on a copy of the MSCP spec, for instance. Or maybe I just talk big and don't actually have that sort of stuff lying around. I definitely may or may not have a copy of the SOC CPU spec, which could (or could not) be interesting to the 4000/VLC crowd. I could even have interesting and unusual pieces of hardware, such as a couple of rtVAX400s if such things exist, but they don't, so I clearly must not have any. Definitely not 3 of them. Not that it would matter; if they did exist, there would probably be a nasty bug in the ASIC anyway. Or maybe not. > tsch??, > Jochen Aufwiederschreiben, Roger Ivie ivie(a)cc.usu.edu

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Cromemco Z80 Assembler manual (was: Cromemco 64KZ Info Needed)

by mhscc＠canada.com

As a matter of fact, I do, but it's 206 pages... write me off-list & we'll see what we can do. mike -------Original Message------- From: "Douglas Wood" <dbwood(a)kc.rr.com> To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Subject: Re: Cromemco 64KZ Info Needed Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 14:01:38 -0500 Reply-To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Any chance you have a copy of Cromemco's Macro Assembler for Z80 user manual? Douglas Wood Software Engineer dbwood(a)kc.rr.com Home of the EPICIS Development System for the PIC and SX http://epicis.piclist.com

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Obsolecence (Was RE: OT: PC Motherboard with a vacuum tube)

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

At 02:43 PM 9/9/02 -0400, Sridhar wrote: >On Mon, 9 Sep 2002, Philip Pemberton wrote: > >> > Posessing a decoder not "authorized" by the MPAA >> > so that you can watch your *own property* on some OS which the MPAA & >> > friends felt was beneath their dignity to port to should /not/ be a >> > crime. >> Finally! Someone who shares my opinion :-) >> I'm not buying a DVDROM for my PC due to region coding - if I want to buy a >> DVD in the 'States to watch here in the UK, I'll go ahead and do it. > >There are ways around region coding. Keep talking. I'm all ears. Joe

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Price of GPIB (was: Proper Observance of ESD Handling Proceedures

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

At 01:01 AM 9/10/02 -0400, Bennett Paul wrote: > > >Yeah? So? > >Maybe the ones you had were junk. Or maybe he wasn't interested in squeezing every last penny out of them. I know for a fact that Fred doesn't make his living by selling HP-IB cards. > >Or maybe you didn't have the ability to properly manage your assets? > >You did end up going out of business, right? I strongly suspect Fred has made a lot more money in his career than you'll ever see! Especialy with your attitude. > >Opinions are like assholes Fred, everybodys got one, and everybody elses >stinks but your own. That term certainy seems to apply to some people that never post on this list except to complain about other people (and then only post anonymously!) and only lurk on the list looking for bargains that they can turn around and make a fat profit on! Joe > > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1759281641 > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1758428714 > > > > >At 11:49 AM 9/9/02 -0700, you wrote: >>On Mon, 9 Sep 2002, Mail List wrote: >> > And Louis Schulman thought GPIB interfaces were worth only about $5 >> >>Yeah? So? >>He is certainly entitled to that opinion. Particularly since he can find >>them at that price. When I closed out my office, that's more than I got >>for them. > >

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OT - Warren Zevon

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

I think Warren Zevon has come up here a couple times. I figured I'd let any fans that don't already know, know the bad news. I know my day is ruined now. Zane September 12, 2002 Warren Zevon has inoperable cancer Sep. 12, 2002 "Werewolves of London" rocker Warren Zevon, the singer-songwriter whose satire, cynicism and wit went on display in the 1978 album "Excitable Boy," has been diagnosed with inoperable lung cancer, his publicist said Thursday. Zevon, 55, was told of the terminal diagnosis last month by doctors and he is spending time with his grown children, spokeswoman Diana Baron said. The entertainer lives in Los Angeles. "He has been diagnosed with lung cancer which has advanced to an untreatable stage," she said, adding he's writing and recording as many songs as possible and will be in the recording studio next week. Zevon said in a statement, "I'm OK with it, but it'll be a drag if I don't make it till the next James Bond movie comes out." (AP) -- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh(a)aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ |

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Univac rescue

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

I bet my 4381 weighs more... Scariest experience with it is a tie between it teetering on the liftgate, and when it rolled away toward someone's car in the parking lot... Thankfully I managed to steer it away, barely! Will J _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com

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Turbo Pascal Toolbox: Numerical Methods

by djenner＠earthlink.net

In rummaging through the storage closet, I found most of my old Turbo Pascal (for DOS) floppies, but I didn't find those for the Turbo Pascal Toolbox: Numerical Methods, Version 4.0, IBM Version (1987). I found the book, and it says that there are three floppies, which are probably 5.25" 360KB disks. So, does anyone have copies of these disks they'd be willing to part with or share with a bona fide owner? Thanks, Dave -- David C. Jenner djenner(a)earthlink.net

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Anybody know anything about the TI TMS 32010 DSP chip?

by jbdigriz＠dragonsweb.org

Joe <rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com> wrote .. > I picked up a machine (TI TDS) that I thought was a developement system > and it has a TMS 32010 pod on it. > > Joe I'm only vaguely familiar with the system with the separate 32010 pod. There was the original TMS32010 EVM that has the DSP, TMS9995 host processor, dual serial ports, audio tape interface, EPROM programming socket, and a 40-pin emulation cable. This would be part number RTC/EVM320A-03. Been looking for one, with software, for some time. What is the model number of yours? I have a bunch of TI DSP literature from the 32010 period and I'll try to look it up. This sounds somewhat later, though. jbdigriz

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MasPar, anyone?

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

Scratch "may have" and replace with "was"... Masscomp, or Massachusetts Computer Corporation, made multibus machines running RTU (Real Time UNIX). Not really sure why Perki-Data bought them (thats the common term for Perkin-Elmer Data Systems, since that was really Interdata after being bought by P-E).. Then they spun all the computer stuff off as Concurrent Computer Corp., who at some point accquired Harris's computer division also.. I have an Interdata and multiple P-E/Concurrents... Will J _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx

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Heathkit ET-3200 digital trainer on EBay

by vaxman＠earthlink.net

BIN $25

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EIA 232 vs. 422, Color Computers (was Re: Serial floppy drive s)

by Lee.Davison＠merlincommunications.com

>> similar. 422 by the way is specified to go almost 1000 feet, while >> with 232 you are lucky to get over 10 feet. Regards - Mike > That's not true. Serial cable can go for a good many feet before > the signal breaks down (someone should pipe in with actual data ;) 450 feet at 9600 bps through multi strand sheilded cable. This was between two buildings and ran through a drain to get under a road. 19200 bps was tried but was error prone. dropping the speed to 9600 bps worked. Lee. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- This email is intended only for the above named addressee(s). The information contained in this email may contain information which is confidential. The views expressed in this email are personal to the sender and do not in any way reflect the views of the company. If you have received this email and you are not a named addressee please delete it from your system and contact VT Merlin Communications Ltd IT Department on +44 20 7344 5888. ________________________________________________________________________ This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star Internet. The service is powered by MessageLabs. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit: http://www.star.net.uk ________________________________________________________________________

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Software & docs for Shiva Fastpath 4 box

by mythtech＠mac.com

>So, can I now go and assume that the DE9 in the Shiva Fastpath has the >same pinout as the older serial connectors in the original mac and the >Mac512K? Unless they used some special Shiva only adaptor (which is HIGHLY doubtful), then yes, you can make that assumption. There were only two styles of Localtalk connectors for connecting to computers, the DE-9 (used by old Macs, PCs, repeaters, and hubs/routers/bridges) and the mini-din 8 (used by most Macs, printers, and some hubs/routers/bridges). In both cases, the pinout was a standard, so if you can find the pinouts for the mac's din 8 serial port and the old mac's DE9 serial port, it should be trivial to make up an adaptor. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Software & docs for Shiva Fastpath 4 box

by carlos_murillo＠epm.net.co

Does anybody have the configuration software for the above device? I want to connect my older mac phonenet network to the rest; I know about the localtalk-ethernet bridge software, but I don't want to hog down a Mac (only possibilities: IIci or SE/30; none of them are particularly fast). Carlos. -------------------------------------------------------------- Carlos E. Murillo-Sanchez carlos_murillo(a)nospammers.ieee.org

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MasPar, anyone?

by Qstieee＠aol.com

You know, I should look through my old stuff more before posting. The company I was thinking of in my earlier post may have been MassComp, not MasPar. Though you say MasPar had a DEC connection, I believe MassComp was actually located in MA. Anyway, we got another great story from someone who really understands computers. Someone should take all of these types of stories from this list and write a pre-quel to the popular Hacker books, about how a lot of computer system really got born.

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TI-74 and TI-95

by dittman＠dittman.net

While cleaning up some old stuff I found my TI-74, TI-95, and PC-324 printer. I completely forgot I had these, even though I used to use them all the time. I think the most interesting accessory is the Pascal module for the TI-74, allowing programs to be written in Pascal instead of BASIC. -- Eric Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net Check out the DEC Enthusiasts Club at http://www.dittman.net/

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Amstrad cpm boot disk wanted. (fwd)

by vcf＠siconic.com

Can someone in the UK help Mike out? Please reply to him directly. Reply-to: <mikecoen(a)blueyonder.co.uk> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 21:43:32 +0100 From: Mike Coen <mikecoen(a)blueyonder.co.uk> To: "'archive(a)vintage.org'" <archive(a)vintage.org> Cc: 'Anthony' <dub(a)ntlworld.com> Subject: Amstrad cpm boot disk wanted. Hi. Do you know the best way to get hold of an Amstrad cpm boot disk in the UK ? Thanks. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *

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Paratronics Logic Analyzer

by DeRoe＠aol.com

Joe, I'm not the one who first requested a copy of your Paratronics Logic Analyzer manual, but I do have a need for a copy if it is indeed the Paratronic Logic Analyzer, model PI-616. Let me know what you have, ok? Thanks, Don

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MasPar, anyone?

by Qstieee＠aol.com

I believe it stood for Massachusetts Parallel processing, or perhaps Massively Parallel processing. It was for real-time high performance use. It was merged with Concurrent Computer Corporation of Oceanport, NJ (formerly Perkin-Elmer, originally Interdata). I have some history with the Interdata and successors, and might be able to contact someone with info on your unit.

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OT: Obsolecence (Was RE: OT: PC Motherboard with a vacuum tube)

by Robert_Feldman＠jdedwards.com

Our local Blockbuster Video here in Chicago is rapidly decreasing the number of video cassettes it rents, in favor of DVD's. Soon there won't be any available, except at the public library or specialty rental stores. I guess they are trying to force users to switch to DVD. -----Original Message----- From: R. D. Davis [mailto:rdd@rddavis.org] Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 11:31 PM To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: OT: PC Motherboard with a vacuum tube <snip> Once someone purchases electronic equipment, one should be able to continue using it for as long as one wants, and be able to repair it whenever necessary... of course, that should also apply to most things, such as refridgerators, cars, washing machines, furnaces, radios, televisions, etc. Is not obsolescence is a concept which needs to become obsolete? I propose that we form a Society for the Obsolecence of Obsolescence, and I jest not.

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Obsolecence (Was RE: OT: PC Motherboard with a vacuum tube)

by Robert_Feldman＠jdedwards.com

Yes, but go to a Best Buy or similar store, and you can still buy a VCR. What gets my attention is the speed with which the newer medium/technology is being pushed. It took a lot longer for CD's to replace LP's, and as another recent thread mentioned, you can still buy LP's and turntables. What I object to is being "forced" to switch, to have to buy new hardware when what I have is still functional and functioning. We can keep our old computers running, and functional, with old programs, or even newly written programs for the old platforms. I still use NewWord (copyright 1986) on my 1994-vintage HP 200LX palmtop that I carry with me every day. I guess if I purchesed prerecorded videocassettes like I purchased my old software, I could keep playing them. In software, if I rented (annually licensed) my software, it could be cut off at any time, like WordPerfect was for certain Data Generals,IIRC, or like MS would prefer. Enough rambling, though. -----Original Message----- From: J.C. Wren [mailto:jcwren@jcwren.com] Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 8:41 AM To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Subject: RE: Obsolecence (Was RE: OT: PC Motherboard with a vacuum tube) "I guess they are trying to force users to switch to DVD." You make it sound like a conspiracy. It's a simple matter of economics. Every time you play a VHS cassette, you degrade it. DVD does not inherently suffer from this, unless you mishandled a DVD. DVDs take less space, in a vertical spine-out display configuration. DVDs do not need to be rewound. DVDs have a better picture. DVDs have better sound. In fact, the *only* disadvantage that DVD has as a medium is that unlike VHS, it's not readily recordable. If I were a video rental store, I'd be dumping miserable VHS cassettes as fast as I could. Let the antique shops rent them. The DVD market now represents a rather large percentage of the rental market, since a reasonable DVD player is as cheap as a mid-range VHS deck. --John -----Original Message----- From: cctalk-admin(a)classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-admin@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Feldman, Robert Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 09:21 To: 'cctalk(a)classiccmp.org' Subject: OT: Obsolecence (Was RE: OT: PC Motherboard with a vacuum tube) Our local Blockbuster Video here in Chicago is rapidly decreasing the number of video cassettes it rents, in favor of DVD's. Soon there won't be any available, except at the public library or specialty rental stores. I guess they are trying to force users to switch to DVD.

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Anyone in the Pacific Northwest (USA) going to the VCF?

by dpeschel＠eskimo.com

Sorry if you're subscribed to both lists. This is for the people who are only subscribed to cctech. I want to bring an exhibit. Taking things on the plane is even more of a nuisance than usual these days, shipping could be expensive, the train may not be very practical, and I can't drive. So a ride would be the logical way to go. I'm in downtown Seattle. Thanks, -- Derek

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IN BAD TASTE: Putting the blame where it belongs?

by jbdigriz＠dragonsweb.org

John Foust <jfoust(a)threedee.com> wrote .. > At 09:39 AM 9/12/2002 -0700, Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) wrote: > >But I think that the 1989 Flight Simulator is the FIRST reference to > >planes with the WTC. > > When they built the WTC, the builders and planners were quite aware of > its potential as a terrorist target. > > - John I promised myself I would not contribute to any off-topic threads again on this list, but I have to at least say that your comment is going to have to qualify as one of the great masterpieces of understatement, or maybe caustic irony, of not just this decade or century, but of the millenium. 'nuff sed. jbdigriz

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Anybody know anything about the TI TMS 32010 DSP chip?

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

I picked up a machine (TI TDS) that I thought was a developement system and it has a TMS 32010 pod on it. Joe

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HAMFEST!

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

There's a hamfest this Saturday in Melbourne Florida at the civic auditorium. This is one of the best one hamfests in the state and definitely worth visiting if you're in the area. While you're there visit Astro II <http://www.astrotoo.com>. They're located a few miles away and I always find GOOD stuff there. That's where I found the RCA Cosmac VIP. E-mail if you need directions or anything. Joe

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Univac rescue

by GOOI＠oce.nl

> 80 Floppies: > http://users.bestweb.net/~toober/images/Univac04.jpg This looks quite like the SSP (System Support Processor ?) of the A-series (again ? , it is over 7 years ago). That was also a small table with a few 8" floppy disk drives and to the right a white table surface. I worked on an 1163 and a 1172 Sperry / UNISYS machine. Was one of the happy few allowed to program in assembler. HAd some "odd" things like no stack and some, I still think IMHO, nice instructions, like EX, execute remote. The EX instruction was sort of the execution of one instruction "somewhere else". Compare it to a JSR to a subroutine of one instruction (besides the RTS of course). BTW the 1163 is a main frame, so not likely found "at home". Pity. - Henk.

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MasPar, anyone?

by IVIE＠cc.usu.edu

Qstieee(a)aol.com said: > I believe it stood for Massachusetts Parallel processing, or perhaps > Massively Parallel processing. It was for real-time high performance use. MasPar was a company out of Milpitas, CA founded (I understand) by ex-DECcies. They built a SIMD massively parallel machine. The unit was controlled by a front-end computer, originally a VAXstation 3520 running Ultrix, later some flavor of DECstation 5000 also running Ultrix. They used the VAXstation 3520 because they got a real good deal on them >from DEC, who was anxious to sell the thing. I designed the interface between the 3520 and the MasPar which, AFAIK, was the only 3rd party interface done for the 3520's proprietary MBUS. They claimed to have licked the problem of compiling for and debugging SIMD machines using standard languages; IIRC they supported FORTRAN and C. Seems to me they were more proud of their debugger than their compilers. I debugged the front-end interface hardware by poking hand-assembled code into the console using CP/M KERMIT's TRANSMIT command on my (then) trusty Kaypro 10. When I arrived with the prototype and my Kaypro, they said "How quaint; he hand-assembles code". After a while it was "Wow! Scope loops you can see on a scope!" (they were using a high-level interpreted thingy called hdb for hardware debugging; their scope loops were too slow to see on a scope) By the time I left, it was "show us how you did that." Sometimes being an old fart pays off. -- Roger Ivie ivie(a)cc.usu.edu

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Software & docs for Shiva Fastpath 4 box

by mythtech＠mac.com

>That would be the trickiest part... I think that I should >try wiring the DE9 directly to a 4wire phone cable; it is easier >to find a phone cable than a female DIN8. This won't work as there are electronics in that box. A TeleNet connector doesn't just re-pin from a din 8 to a phone wire. Besides, it only uses 2 of the four wires (the yellow/black pair aka "line 2"). You will need to build an adaptor to go from Din 8 to DE 9, or just check eBay and see if you can find telenet connectors with the DE9 already on it. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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What is a Texas Instruments TDS?

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

What the heck is a Texas Instruments TDS? It^H^H They look like developement systems. Joe

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Today's Dumpster Grab...

by daw＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

Well, it'a a touch short of the 10 year rule, but I know there are DEC collectors running around here... I found a Digital VRT17-HA monitor just now. It has 5 BNC connectors, R, G, B, HD, and VD sync. It has a switch, for choosing either 75 ohm or 2k Ohm. It's currently on the 2k Ohm setting. It also has a DIN-8 connector, which appears to be for servicing it. After some quick tests (swapping around the R G and B lines) it appears to work fine, except for the Blue line in the cable itself. Woo-hoo! Now at least I don't have to mess around inside with the high-voltage stuff... Does anyone have a spare cable they're willing to part with? Digital part # 17-04340-01. Next line on it is BC13L-10. -- --- David A. Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818

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Anyone in the Raleigh NC area?

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 9/11/2002 1:39:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mythtech(a)mac.com writes: << This is on eBay right now, anyone in the Raleigh North Carolina area that wants these things? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2051689106 >> hmmm, I'll check it out. I guess the SE30 would be worth it. -- Antique Computer Virtual Museum www.nothingtodo.org

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Anyone in the Pacific Northwest (USA) going to the VCF?

by dpeschel＠eskimo.com

I want to bring an exhibit. Taking things on the plane is even more of a nuisance than usual these days, shipping could be expensive, the train may not be very practical, and I can't drive. So a ride would be the logical way to go. I'm in downtown Seattle. Thanks, -- Derek

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6845 CRTC, Microvitec VDU/BBC Micro sync waveforms (was Re: CoCo's *are* real...)

by philpem＠dsl.pipex.com

Sorry about the last message (the one that contained HTML). I've just reinstalled Win98 and Outlook and forgot that OE5.5 defaulted to HTML format for mail. Tony Duell wrote: > But what chipset does this decoder use? Some of them do contain sync > generators, as they can be used as general-purpose display devices > too. The SAA524x series can, for example. The board is from a Ferguson T14T (Thomson TX91 chassis?) and has two ICs onboard - a Texas Instruments IC labelled: EUROTEXT TELETEXT DECODER CF70204NW 59A5V3W The other one is also TI, labelled: 58D71DT CF72306 DATA SLICER Anyone got a Ferguson T14T or Thomson TX91 service manual? I need the part number of the TTX decoder mentioned in the schematic. I think it originally used a Philips SAA52xx IC, not sure though. Thanks. -- Phil. philpem(a)dsl.pipex.com http://www.philpem.dsl.pipex.com/

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Anyone in the Raleigh NC area?

by mythtech＠mac.com

This is on eBay right now, anyone in the Raleigh North Carolina area that wants these things? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2051689106 I would love a 512k or two and the SE 30, and would be willing to go in for some (or all if it goes low) of the bid if someone wants to pick these things up. It looks like they can probably be had for about $30 (opening bid of $25 with zero current bids, closes in about 12 hours) -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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More Free Stuff Near Philly

by wonko＠4amlunch.net

ok, added to the list are two Dataproducts dot-matrix printers, model M200. one in beige skins and one in black skins. also available is a spares kit that has at least one of every piece in the printers. -brian -- "You're the only stranger i know, and you're as strange as they come laddie."

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Data General stuff, Nova 2/10 on ebay

by Innfogra＠aol.com

A friend asked me to post this listing of a DG2/10. I told him he is asking 5 times what it is worth but he has delusions of value. If anyone is interested they should would make him an offer after the auction closes. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2052986986&rd=1 I told him the price he is asking is for a fully function and running DG not an incomplete and untested system. I think he realizes it wont sell. I mention him in particular because he is sitting on one of the biggest stashes of Data General in the Northwest. He is an old mainframe person turned into a scrapper who like to accumulate. Findlay used to provide data processing services and still has a running IBM 4381 in a real computer room. However I don't think he does much data processing business anymore and makes his living off of scrapping. He turned out to be the DG scrap specialist in PDX in the late 1990s when a lot of systems were coming out of service from the Government. Last I was there the place was filled with old DG racks. He was/is selling parts into the DG secondary market. Everything from Novas to MVS?10,000s. Not much newer. If you are looking for odd old Data General parts it may be worth contacting him. He travels a good part of the year. Paxton Astoria, OR

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Today's Dumpster Grab...

by mythtech＠mac.com

>You must have a better Goodwill there that we have around here. There is >never >_any_ computer stuff at our local Goodwill. I've seen computer stuff >donated, not sure where it goes though... They might throw it out... the Salavation Army store near me does that. They sell computer parts (monitors, keyboards, software, printers, that kind of stuff), but all CPU's they throw out. They claim this is because too many people were buying them, and then bringing them back and expecting support or to return them when they didn't work (despite all the large "As Is, All Sales Final" signs everywhere). You should check with them, maybe they will let you have them if all they are doing is tossing them. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Wanted: Intel Data Catalogs

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Sep 10, 15:23, Bob Shannon wrote: > > I've got a minty 1977 catalog here... > > Joe wrote: > > > > 1974 or '75 catalog? I didn't know they printed them that far back. > > I've seen several 1978 or '79 catalogs but nothing older. I have a well-thumbed 1976. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Apple II Echo II card and speaker

by mythtech＠mac.com

I just aquired an Apple II "Echo II" card and speaker box. I don't get how to connect the speaker box. It has a Din 5 connector, but no where on the card is any place to connect it. The card has a 2 pin plug for routing the Apple internal speaker, and has a 1/8 inch phono jack for an external speaker. Also, maybe I misunderstood what this thing does. I thought it was basically a sound card for the Apple II series, but the box has a "rate" dial, and the company that makes it is the "American Printing House for the Blind" (based on a product label on the underside of the speaker box). Is this thing some kind of voice box? What software do I need to make it work? -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Apple II Echo II card and speaker

by mythtech＠mac.com

>I have no idea where the DIN connector would go. I don't think I've ever >seen an Echo card with that. I'm still scratching my head on that. The only DIN 5 connector I remember on an Apple II, is on the IIc for the modem port. Maybe this was meant for that (it is possible that the two are not a pair, I got them as a pair, and I have seen one on eBay as a pair, but maybe the card is for one type of Apple, and the box is for another). >It also does speech synthesis with the supplied software. If you don't >have the software then I can probably make a copy for you as I know >exactly where my disks are. I don't have the software. All I got was a card and speaker box. I was going to check the asimov ftp site, but if you know where the disks are, and it isn't much trouble to send me images, that would be great (but if it is much effort, I can just search that ftp site and then bug you again in the future if I can't find the software there). -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Apple II Echo II card and speaker

by mythtech＠mac.com

> I could use a copy if you don't mind. I have one of those cards too. >Is there anything special about the speaker box? (Is it amplified?) I >didn't get the box with mine. I just opened the box for mine. Now mine most likely is designed to hook up to the serial port if a IIc, but inside, there is NOTHING of importance. No amplifier, no nothing. Basically, the cable comes in, 2 wires go to the Volume, which splits to a headphone jack and then to the speaker... and 2 wires go to the pot for "Rate". So at least on the IIc version, everything must be done in software, and the rate pot must just alter the signal on the serial port, and just tells the software to make the correct changes. I don't know what is in the box for the IIe card. I found a pic of that box, and it appears to have a standard 1/8 plug for that speaker jack on the card. I couldn't really tell from the picture if there was even a "rate" dial on that box at all. If there was, the dial was missing and it was just the post. I would think that if there is a rate dial for it, that something would have to be done internally to the box, because there doesn't appear to be any way to get the signal back to the card (the jack on my card looks like it might be a mono type plug, which would only give you the +/- for the speaker and no return path). The software is supposed to be on the asimov ftp site (ftp.apple.asimov.net) but I can't seem to log on there right now (I either get a connection refused, or it just sits trying to connect). Does anyone know if that site is still up? (I'll check the appleii newsgroup tonight... I can't read NNTP from work) -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Apple II Echo II card and speaker

by mythtech＠mac.com

>Aha. Look at the speaker box. Does it say "Echo II" or "Echo IIc"? If >the latter then it is the //c version of the Echo card, since there is no >way to put the card inside a //c. If this is the case, I am not terribly >familiar with the Echo IIc. I would guess the electronics are in the box, >and it connects to a serial port on the back of the //c. All it says is "Echo" and then on the bottom it says "Echo Commander". I did find some links, and I am guessing you are right, this is the IIc version, and doesn't actually go with the card that I got. I found out there were at least IIe, IIgs, Mac, and PC versions, all seem to have slightly different connection methods. I didn't see anything that specifically mentioned a IIc version, but it would make the most sense based on the plug. I'll have to pull out my IIc and give it a try. Do you know, do you *need* the echo box, or will any speaker work? Can I just hook up a set of headphones to the card's "speaker" connection and use it that way? Or is the speaker box part of the system itself (has electronics in it that are used for the speech). Just curious if I should hunt down the box to match my card, or if I can use it without. >These days everything is a chore. If you don't find it on Asimov then let >me know. I'll make disk images that I can send to you, and you can put >them up on Asimov for the next guy :) In the searching, I found reference to a complete set of the disks being posted on the Asimov site, so they should be there, I just haven't gotten as far as looking. Thanks for the help. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Obsolecence (Was RE: OT: PC Motherboard with a vacuum tube)

by Antonio.Carlini＠riverstonenet.com

> In fact, the *only* disadvantage that DVD has as a medium is that unlike >VHS, it's not readily recordable. If I were a rental shop I'd see this as a bonus too :-) > If I were a video rental store, I'd be dumping miserable VHS cassettes as >fast as I could. Let the antique shops rent them. The DVD market now >represents a rather large percentage of the rental market, since a >reasonable DVD player is as cheap as a mid-range VHS deck. True. The lack of VHS cassettes for rental does not mean that you cannot keep playing the ones you have at home however. So I don't see this as making the VCR + tapes obsolete. (In the UK, the VHS=>DVD move has not yet happened - there are plenty of people with VCR and no DVD player). If I were so inclined, I suspect that I could stock up on enough spare VCRs and tapes to last me as long as I am likely to watch them. Antonio

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Free Stuff for PICKUP ONLY in Collegeville, PA (near philly)

by Gary.Messick＠itt.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Brian Hechinger [mailto:wonko@4amlunch.net] > Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 3:48 PM > To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Free Stuff for PICKUP ONLY in Collegeville, PA (near philly) > > > i have had the pleasure of making a trip with Dave McGuire to > rescue some very > nice PDP-11/70 boxes. what were not expecting was the volume > of stuff that we > were presented with. being the people we are, we could not > just flat out say > no, we had to take it all. it filled a 24' truck. that's a > lot of PDP-11/70. > > in the pile of stuff was a bunch of LA36 and LA120 terminals. > only one of the > LA36 terminals powers up and DTRT, the rest are assumed to be > dead. this is > WAY more stuff that i can deal with, so i need these dead > terminals (including > a dead LA120) as well as the working LA36 and four CRT > terminals gone from my > house as soon as possible. i am not one to lightly toss > things into the skip, > but if these are not recovered from my house in a timely > manner, i fear i have > no choice but to do so. > > ok, quick run out to the driveway, and here is a list of what > is there for the > taking: > > 1 LA120 (assumed broken) > 4 LA36 (assumed broken) > 1 LA36 (seems to work) > 1 Qume QVT-101 CRT terminal (powers up, seems to work) > 1 Qume QVT-201 CRT terminal (powers up, seems to work) > 1 Qume QVT-202 CRT terminal (powers up, seems to work) > MicroTeam FE 4520 CRT terminal (powers up, seems to work) > Diablo 620 (untested, has the extra tractor assembly) > > i think i have the keyboards for all the CRT terminals, but > i'd have to check. > > -brian > > ps: some pics of the PDP-11 haul, as well as moving my large > collection of VAX > kit from dave's locker to my garage (stone/dirt floors SUCK) > -- > she manipulates my language | > the scion of a cunning goddess | Fridge > and i *am* but a MAN | Magnet > watching my gratuitous torment | Poetry > not looking herculean | Brian, I'm looking for some keycaps for a LA-36. Would it be possible for you to grab me a couple of the LA-36's? I could re-reimburse you for expenses incurred (like maybe shipping and a 6-pack?) I've got an original LA-36 (bought new), and the Wife thoughtfully vacuumed the "really dusty" keyboard, and ate a couple of keycaps! Thanks for your consideration! Gary ************************************ If this email is not intended for you, or you are not responsible for the delivery of this message to the addressee, please note that this message may contain ITT Privileged/Proprietary Information. In such a case, you may not copy or deliver this message to anyone. You should destroy this message and kindly notify the sender by reply email. Information contained in this message that does not relate to the business of ITT is neither endorsed by nor attributable to ITT. ************************************

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OT: PC Motherboard with a vacuum tube

by Robert_Feldman＠jdedwards.com

Sufficiently retro to be interesting. Take a look at http://www.aopen.com/products/mb/Pax4b-533tube1.htm. The tube is used in an onboard audio preamp.

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by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

Generally I agree with the comments about the necessity of anti-static packing but otherwise I'm very suspicious of messages like this that are posted without a name and not even a recognizable From address. If the situation is as bad as you describe then why didn't you post negative feedback instead of neutral? Just for those of you that are interested, the buyer's feedback rating is 51 and the seller's feedback rating is 1332! The auction in question appears to be <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1750732393>. I think there's more going on here than what this message describes. Joe At 04:44 PM 9/8/02 -0400, you wrote: > > > >If any of you list members ( that are also eBay buyers, as many of you are >) feel >as we do, that computer components should be shipped in some type of antistatic >packaging, you might wish to avoid purchases from ... > > eBay seller ... davidth > > dba ... Tec Instruments Inc > >We purchased a computer card from them that they did not place in an antistatic >bag. They just wrapped it in clear bubble wrap, which is not an antistatic >material. >As most, if not all, of you well know, the pink bubble wrap is the >antistatic variety. >We just purchased a roll ourselves that cost us less than eight cents per >square >foot. One square foot ( eight pennies worth ) would have been sufficient to >have >done a decent job, but that was not done. > >They also did not realize we had paid them for the part virtually >immediately after >the auction was over ( IIRC we purchased with the Buy It Now feature ) and >SIX WEEKS+ LATER when we still hadn't received it, we had to call and inquire >as to it's whereabouts. > >We felt that a job done that poorly did not deserve a positive comment, so we >gave them a neutral comment calling it like it was. This seller sees fit to >retaliate >against neutral comments and lie in their response. > >Just a heads up for anyone that would wish their purchases not to be >senselessly >placed at risk of damage before you have ever even received it. > > > > > >

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New aquisition: Xenophobe

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

>From: "Ethan Dicks" <erd_6502(a)yahoo.com> > > >--- "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh(a)aracnet.com> wrote: >> >I wouldn't say it's dangerous, but it certainly gets interesting trying >> to get VAXen and arcade games to co-exist inside the house. >> > >> >: ) >> > >> > >> >Power issues and space.... > >A standard arcade machine is rated at 8.0A max @ 110VAC - that runs >the board set, the lights and the 19" monitor. > >> ...most people here are probably using MAME, rather than having their own >> Arcade cabinets. > >I do both. MAME is portable, but MAME on a PeeCee keyboard can't match >the feel of real buttons, etc. Yes, people are making their own MAME >cabinets (like a buddy of mine down the hall) but you might as well get >a real cabinet to start with. > >The other issue of emulators vs the real thing is odd controllers - >spinners come to mind immediately: Tempest, Star Trek and Arkanoid. >Xenophobe is another, because of the thumb buttons. I've played it >with MAME (and on my Lynx) and it's not the same feel. It's much >smoother with the original hardware. > > >> (she's actually the one that found the cabinet for sale locally...) > >That's the key - not shipping these things across the country. If >I didn't have an arcade auction nearby, I probably would consider >crafting my own cabinet from scratch as a viable option. After >seeing a stripped Galaga Cocktail go for nearly $100, maybe I still Hi Most empty upright cabinets go for giveaway prices. Cocktail machines are alway a premium, even stripped ones because one can move an upright's inners into one and increase the value. Rather than using MAME, why not just get a complete working vid. Better yet, a real pinball machine :) Dwight >will (I have a spare boardset for Gorf - I can use a DEC VR241 as >the monitor and have it take up less space). > >-ethan > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes >http://finance.yahoo.com >

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New aquisition: Xenophobe

by Robert_Feldman＠jdedwards.com

You can always build your own panel. I have friends who run MAME on a PC using real arcade controllers. Happ Controls (http://www.happcontrols.com/) sells buttons, joysticks, trackballs, even coin input boxes. Not necessarily cheap to buy all the parts from them, but they are the real things. -----Original Message----- From: Matthew Sell [mailto:msell@ontimesupport.com] Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 4:40 PM To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: New aquisition: Xenophobe <snip> >>I do both. MAME is portable, but MAME on a PeeCee keyboard can't match >>the feel of real buttons, etc. >Yea - no kidding. Try playing Robotron on a PC.... Or Star Wars (using keyboard) >>The other issue of emulators vs the real thing is odd controllers - >>spinners come to mind immediately: Tempest, Star Trek and Arkanoid. >>Xenophobe is another, because of the thumb buttons. I've played it >>with MAME (and on my Lynx) and it's not the same feel. It's much >>smoother with the original hardware. >I also like putting quarters in my machines. It's sort of a savings account for my addiction. <snip>

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HP BASIC

by atredo＠nitram.com

Anyone have an HP Basic Manual ?

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Free Stuff for PICKUP ONLY in Collegeville, PA (near philly)

by mythtech＠mac.com

>1 Qume QVT-101 CRT terminal (powers up, seems to work) >1 Qume QVT-201 CRT terminal (powers up, seems to work) >1 Qume QVT-202 CRT terminal (powers up, seems to work) I'm in need of a Qume QVT-108, are any of those 3 compatible? (although, even if so terminal wise, I'm not 100% sure I could use them, as I have to swap in a special RS-422 card from my dead 108). My brother in law lives in the Philly area, so I'm sure I could talk him into picking one up if it would be useable in place of a 108. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Latest find: Victor Comptometer, model 12E.523.157.C need power cord

by detyreed＠frontiernet.net

Do you have a picture of this machine? I may have found a machine with the same problem, or any info? Thank you Bob Jasinski

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The Financephalograph

by mranalog＠attbi.com

A new link that I placed in my little museum has been generating quite a few enjoyable comments. Financephalograph Bill Phillips is most known for his "Phillips Curve" in Economics. But before the Phillips Curve was invented and while attending London School of Economic, Phillips was having problems understanding the economics lectures. So he sketched out a hydraulic model of the economy, then built the computer that uses water to represent money as it flows through the economy and a pen plotter to display the results. http://www.nzpca.org.nz/megabyte/2001/02/art02.htm One of the (maybe the only) remaining copy of this computer is in the Science Museum in London. If someone gets a chance to stop by and see this computer, I would appreciate a first hand report and maybe,maybe,maybe a picture. Regards, --Doug ========================================= Doug Coward @ home in Poulsbo, WA Analog Computer Online Museum and History Center http://dcoward.best.vwh.net/analog =========================================

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Free broken laptop

by dlormand＠aztec.asu.edu

I got hold of a Compaq LTE Lite/20, which is a '386 monochrome job. It was broke when I got it, and I can't seem to fix it (laptops were never designed to be repaired). If anyone wants it for spare parts or to have their own go at resurrecting it, it's yours for the shipping from Tucson. Cosmetically fine, but the power switch does nothing. Power is working, as the battery charge light comes one. I also have the power pack for it, which is fine. Also works with the other Lite series. I'd like to get $20 for it.

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Otrona Attache boards on eBay

by Robert_Feldman＠jdedwards.com

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2052204164. 5 motherboards, 3 16-bit addon boards, docs, and a _set of schematics_. Only problem is that many/most of the socketed chips have been pulled. I'm interested in the schematics for my 8:16, but have no need for all the boards. I thought John Wren had it yesterday with Buy It Now ($15.00), but it is relisted today.

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OT: Obsolecence (Was RE: OT: PC Motherboard with a vacuum tube)

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

I was in a BlockBuster here two nights ago and was surprised to find that at leat 80% of the VCR tapes have been replaced by DVDs. I guess DVDs don't wear out and they take up less space, That equals higher profit for BlockBuster. Joe At 07:21 AM 9/9/02 -0600, you wrote: >Our local Blockbuster Video here in Chicago is rapidly decreasing the number >of video cassettes it rents, in favor of DVD's. Soon there won't be any >available, except at the public library or specialty rental stores. I guess >they are trying to force users to switch to DVD. > >-----Original Message-----

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VT220

by jhfinepw4z＠compsys.to

I remember that there was a VT220 available here recently, is it still available? Mine is just too burned at this point. Please reply directly. Sincerely yours, Jerome Fine -- If you attempted to send a reply and the original e-mail address has been discontinued due a high volume of junk e-mail, then the semi-permanent e-mail address can be obtained by replacing the four characters preceding the 'at' with the four digits of the current year.

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by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

At 02:06 AM 9/9/02 -0400, Bennett Paul wrote: > > >Joe Rigdon, > > > I think there's more going on here than what this message describes. > >You bet. Here's just how small a world it really is ... > > Just so you know, it's Bennett Paul here in Va. Beach. Hi Paul. I knew that id sounded familar but I couldn't place it. why didn't you put your name on the message? Incidently, I did >go ahead and bid on your National Instruments GPIB-1014DP. I guess >when I talked to you on the phone, you thought I was trying to get over >on you or something? I'm sorry you thought that. If I hadn't bid, as I >felt should have been the case, Mitch would have gotten that part from >you for only $86.00 or $87.50 and you would have done worse than my >offer to you. As it turned out, against my better judgement, I bid anyway >and that's what got you the $111.48 for it. All in the same range of what I >pretty much knew it would sell for, and in the range of my offer to you, >because I track all this type of gear. You always could have come back >with a reasonable counter offer. And if you had been willing to cooperate, >I might have been able to get you two to three times as much for it; you >just would have to have been willing to be patient and cooperative. > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2039825292 > >http://cgi6.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=2039825292 > > After that one, we have decided that we will never again compete with >Mitch for any your parts. Joe, your overly suspicious nature just makes >you too difficult for us to deal with. So now, when you mention your parts >for sale to this list, we'll take a look, but we probably won't be buying. Juat so the rest of you know what's going on. Paul called me on the phone and wanted to buy a VME GP-IB that I had ALREADY posted on e-bay. He wanted me to cancel the auction and sell it dirctly to him. At that point, two other people had already bid on it so I declined. Not only is outside selling against my user's agreement with E-bay but more importantly it's not fair to the other bidders. Call that suspicious if you like but I'd do the same thing again. >I have >since now gotten a GPIB-1014 from another member of this list. Dropped >over $1,300 on that cc list member which will help him in his business >endeavors. > > Is there more to this than casual inspection shows? You bet. > >The seller of that DIO-24/PnP responded with a retaliatory comment, to a >neutral comment, because I posted that I consider it substandard to ship a >bare computer component in nothing but a material that risked damaging it. >We really expected that someone that would be in the instrument business >would know better than that. Most of the sellers that have made this >mistake, at >least have shown that they cared and that they would try to do better in >the future. That's true. >I know I should have given him a negative. If I knew ahead of time what his >attitude was going to be, I most definitely would have. Too picky? No. No, not "too picky" just a cop-out. If he deserved negative feedback you should have posted negative feedback and not worried about it. I just posted negative feedback on someone for the first time, after I couldn't contact him via e-mail or telephone for over a month. After I posted the feedback he contacted me and told me that his secretary was supposed to have handled the transaction while he was on vacation. It's regretable that she didn't and that he got negative feedback but that's what happens if you leave things up to someone else without checking up on them. The >parts >we buy must be of a quality to be acceptable to business buyers or you will >find we will stop buying from any seller that sells obviously physically >damaged >trash without truthfully describing it or mishandles our purchases. Then maybe you should point that out to the seller before he ships it. I know you shouldn't have to but personally I'd rather be safe than sorry. I frequently get requests for special shipping, packaging, etc and I usually comply with their requests. > >When I used to sell DEC Qbus components on eBay ( to Zane, Gordon, Clint, >Barry, William, Mark, Tim, and others ), I always tried to package their >purchases >properly. Even a M3104 that I sold to Doug Meade for only ONE DOLLAR, went into >an antistatic bag. So do mine. Even my books go out in anti-static bags! I bought a big pile of them and use them for EVERYTHING. > > My patience has worn thin with eBay sellers that charge enough for shipping >and handling to do the job properly, then don't. It's not about what they >charge. I have to agree there. Too many sellers are trying to make a living just on what they charge for "handling". (You'll notice that a lof of commercail companies are doing the exact same thing). If I'm interested in it, I E-mail the seller and ask about that on EVERY auction that has additional charges. And I usually deduct the "handling" cost from what I'm willing to pay for an item. If they charged a "packing" or "handling" fee and the item was damaged due to improper packing I would file a complaint with E-bay (and file negative feedback) if the seller didn't refund my money. >It's about ignorance and incompetence. It's about their risking damage to the >thousands of dollars worth of gear we have been buying. > > In the very recent past these items were shipped to us without being in >either >an antistatic bag OR antistatic bubble wrap ... > >National Instruments PC-DIO-24/PNP ISA Card - $24.99 > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1750732393 > >national instruments IEEE 488 interface card - $21.50 > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2048704854 > >Data Translation DT5712 Analog Input Board - $39.17 > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2045869397 > >National Instruments PCI-MXI-2 - $125.00 > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2049828950 > >Motorola MVME 300 VME Module - $39.95 > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1756363070 > >GPIB PCI Card National Instruments NI-488.2 - $150.00 > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1749304420 > > I must say, you seem having a lot more trouble with it than I do. I seldom have that problem and I've had leterally thousands of items sent to me. The items that I recieve damaged are usually do to gross mishandling by the shipping company and have nothing to do with how it was packing. >Hmmm ... > > And Louis Schulman thought GPIB interfaces were worth only about $5 > http://www.classiccmp.org/mail-archive/classiccmp/2001-09/0543.html Naw, they're worth at least $14. <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2049995705> > > At least Allison knew. > http://www.classiccmp.org/mail-archive/classiccmp/2001-09/0552.html > > >Anyway, these items were misrepresented by their seller ... > >Ziatech ZT8907 STD32 Single Board Computer SB > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2036630347 > >NATIONAL INSTRUMENTS TERMINAL SCREW BLOCK - $24.95 - item pictured > was acceptable, item received had the ends of the socket broken off >and the > latches missing > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1760911557 That looks like a pretty simple and compact item. How did they manage to pack it so that it was damaged, put a stamp on it and send it bare? It looks like even a simple box would have protected it (not that that's what I'm recommending). Why didn't you post negative or even neutral feedback? > > > And these following items were received DAMAGED due to poor packaging >practices ... > >Dawn VME Supercard i860 vector processor - $76.00 - received DAMAGED > due to poor packaging methods - seller has refused/failed to respond to > 2 emails concerning this. > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2040376918 Then why didn't you post negative or neutral feedback? I checked all the way back to June but didn't find it if you did. This and the one above are the only two that I checked and I didn't see any feedback on either one. Joe > >JORWAY 74A CAMAC TYPE SERIAL CRATE CONTROLLER - $59.95 - > received DAMAGED due to poor packaging methods - Frank will probably > make good on this, but it causes a senseless loss of time and money > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1758624242 > > >Add it up. It starts to become a fairly significant amount. Tony, with his >physics >background, is the one most likely to recognize the significance of more of >these >types of parts than anyone else. > >There are a lot of you list members that sell on eBay. If you want us ( who are >more often than not, the high bidder that will pay you better for your >parts than >most anyone else out there ) to buy your parts, you must show proper care in >their handling and shipping. We will no longer give "Praise" to those that >don't. > >If any of you list members wish to reject our bids which are more often >than not >the high bid, and even when not, usually helps increase the amount you receive >for your parts, feel free to add us to your blocked bidder list. > > >If anyone cares to learn how to properly package items for shipment, review >these following links ... > >http://pages.ebay.com/services/buyandsell/shippingcenter2.html > >http://www.ups.com/using/services/packaging/guidline.html > >http://www.fedex.com/us/services/packaging/groundtips.html > > > >Best Regards, > >Bennett Paul > >dba ... Legacy Solutions International > >http://www.analog-and-digital-solutions.com/ > >

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(no subject)

by Dcsonntag＠aol.com

I have a bunch of old data tapes that my father (deceased) wrote on his TI 733 ASR terminal. Any idea how I might go about accessing data on the tapes or transferring to more modern media? Thanks, Dave Sonntag

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For Sale/Trade at the VCF - plus want list

by RonaJoyner＠hotmail.com

I am looking for either :- - working Sharp PC1500 Pocket Computer with or without printer or - working Sharp PC1500A Pocket Computer with or without printer I live in Australia

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PDP-8 "Introduction to Programming"

by a.krennmair＠aon.at

Hello, I'm a student interested in retrocomputing. That's why I started programming PDP-8 assembly a few days ago (Debian basically delivers all you need to do that, i.e. simh and palbart). One problem I have is the documentation. All that I found is either only a reference for the PDP-8 instructions or the documentation of PAL III assembler. The third thing I had as reference was the source code of OS/278. All in all, very incomplete. Now I learned about the "Introduction to Programming" by DEC, written for and about the PDP-8. Unfortunately I was unable to find a copy of it on the internet. Now I ask whether anybody of you has a copy of it (machine-readable preferred). In Austria, DEC hardware doesn't seem to have been very popular at that time, so documentation isn't easily available, either (it's even quite hard to get VAXen, fortunately I did). Thanks in advance, Andreas Krennmair -- "I treat [women] like compilers. They take simple statements and make them into big productions." -- Pitr

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OT: dumpster dive and water/mold cleanup

by tothwolf＠concentric.net

I guess I should give a little background for the folks who haven't heard >from me privately lately. Just a few weeks ago or so (has it been that long already?), I ended up rescuing nearly an entire ham shack/photo/woodworking shop from a 40cu yard dumpster. A friend of mine who lived around the corner died a few years ago, and even after picking up tons of stuff from his family, and after numerous attempts to arrange pickup of the remaining stuff, I found out some of his family dumped the entire shop into a huge dumpster (or skip for you folks on the other side of the pond). Thankfully, I found out about it *before* the dumpster was to be picked up. I spent a total of around 22+ hours (with permission from the folks who filled the dumpster) over the course of two nights with the help of a work light pulling out everything I could salvage. There were a few things missing (someone else got there first), and 1000s (I'd guess that number anyway) of magazines and some books were ruined due to rain before I found out about the dumpster. Magazines dating from the 1940s to the 1970s were mostly ruined beyond salvage. These included titles such as Popular Science, Popular Mechanics, Mechanix, and Popular Electronics. It also included 3-4 different photo oriented publications with dates from early 1970s to the 1980s. Ironically, they also accidentally trashed 1000s and 1000s of photos, slides, negatives (both plastic and glass plate), and home movies. I've been returning those items as I sort them from the rest, since they did not mean to trash them. I still need advice on unsticking/cleaning the home movie films, since none were in water tight containers. Most are small reels in 3"x3"x3/4" cardboard boxes. I did explain to the family how to separate/clean prints, and I think about 99% of those were successfully salvaged. I am currently trying to figure out how to clean/salvage books that were exposed to the water, and since the texts are irreplaceable, I'm hesitant in what I try. Many books have a very fine powder-like mold on their covers, while the pages are ok. Some books have small amounts of mold growing on the edges of the pages. I also rescued a huge vinyl 33 1/3 record collection that needs to be cleaned up somehow. They were added to the dumpster (by mistake I was told) after the initial dive, and were subsequently exposed to yet more rain (Houston really sucks sometimes). I'm very worried about cleaning any mold from the album covers, but I imagine most of the vinyl is currently ok. Some of the records may have been broken when they were dumped into the dumpster, but I expect to find most intact. I imagine these may be the most time sensitive of all the rescued materials. I am also trying to figure out how to clean minor mold from and separate QSL cards that are stuck together. The cards date from the 1950s, but thankfully most were not exposed to water. I also have 100s of HARC publications that need to be salvaged. Some are in very good condition, while some have a significant mold growth on them. I should also add that I am keeping all the items stacked (and piled) in my (unfinished) computer building (nowhere else to put them at present), and have been keeping the lights on 24/7 to help inhibit the growth of mold. Also, if there is anyone located in Houston that feels like lending a hand in sorting/cleaning up stuff, please contact me. It is abit overwhelming for me to try to deal with ~50-60 years worth of items. -Toth

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PDP-8 "Introduction to Programming"

by aek＠spies.com

I've had a copy sitting next to the scanner for a while now. I'll see about getting it pdf'ed and up at www.spies.com/aek/pdf/dec/pdp8

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Old Computers - Xerox

by aek＠spies.com

here's an exchange I already had with them: From: "Kathy Marsh" <kmarsh(a)dnsllc.com> To: "Al Kossow" <aek(a)spies.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by spies.com id g7KCZnVt000585 X-SpamBouncer: 1.6 beta (7/05/02) X-SBClass: OK X-Folder: Bulk Status: RO Good morning, Al! I apologize for the delay in responding to this. I work 8 am to 3 pm, EST, Mon-Fri, so I had already left yesterday when you sent this. We are located in Erie, PA. I have some links with photos of the items. We are asking $999.00 plus shipping for everything or $950.00 plus shipping for the computer system and software (no printer).

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HP 4972A LAN Protocol Analyser

by seweryni＠grs.nasdsl.com

Do you still have a manual for this equipment and software? George

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VMS Conquest.

by gcroasdill＠enlighten.com

Just saw you posting about conquest. This was an old favorite of mine. I Googled it this morning because an old college chum and I were reminiscing last night. You might want to check out www.radscan.com/conquest.html Looks like ConQuest was ported to linux, and this site has a telnet service where you can go play (just like the good old days). Not quite the same as a VT100 hooked to a VAX750, but, fills the bill ;-) Take Care! GregC /-----------------------------------\ + Greg Croasdill + gcroasdill(a)enlighten.com \-----------------------------------/

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Proper Observance of ESD Handling Proceedures

by mail.list＠analog-and-digital-solutions.com

If any of you list members ( that are also eBay buyers, as many of you are ) feel as we do, that computer components should be shipped in some type of antistatic packaging, you might wish to avoid purchases from ... eBay seller ... davidth dba ... Tec Instruments Inc We purchased a computer card from them that they did not place in an antistatic bag. They just wrapped it in clear bubble wrap, which is not an antistatic material. As most, if not all, of you well know, the pink bubble wrap is the antistatic variety. We just purchased a roll ourselves that cost us less than eight cents per square foot. One square foot ( eight pennies worth ) would have been sufficient to have done a decent job, but that was not done. They also did not realize we had paid them for the part virtually immediately after the auction was over ( IIRC we purchased with the Buy It Now feature ) and SIX WEEKS+ LATER when we still hadn't received it, we had to call and inquire as to it's whereabouts. We felt that a job done that poorly did not deserve a positive comment, so we gave them a neutral comment calling it like it was. This seller sees fit to retaliate against neutral comments and lie in their response. Just a heads up for anyone that would wish their purchases not to be senselessly placed at risk of damage before you have ever even received it.

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Free Stuff for PICKUP ONLY in Collegeville, PA (near philly)

by wonko＠4amlunch.net

i have had the pleasure of making a trip with Dave McGuire to rescue some very nice PDP-11/70 boxes. what were not expecting was the volume of stuff that we were presented with. being the people we are, we could not just flat out say no, we had to take it all. it filled a 24' truck. that's a lot of PDP-11/70. in the pile of stuff was a bunch of LA36 and LA120 terminals. only one of the LA36 terminals powers up and DTRT, the rest are assumed to be dead. this is WAY more stuff that i can deal with, so i need these dead terminals (including a dead LA120) as well as the working LA36 and four CRT terminals gone from my house as soon as possible. i am not one to lightly toss things into the skip, but if these are not recovered from my house in a timely manner, i fear i have no choice but to do so. ok, quick run out to the driveway, and here is a list of what is there for the taking: 1 LA120 (assumed broken) 4 LA36 (assumed broken) 1 LA36 (seems to work) 1 Qume QVT-101 CRT terminal (powers up, seems to work) 1 Qume QVT-201 CRT terminal (powers up, seems to work) 1 Qume QVT-202 CRT terminal (powers up, seems to work) MicroTeam FE 4520 CRT terminal (powers up, seems to work) Diablo 620 (untested, has the extra tractor assembly) i think i have the keyboards for all the CRT terminals, but i'd have to check. -brian ps: some pics of the PDP-11 haul, as well as moving my large collection of VAX kit from dave's locker to my garage (stone/dirt floors SUCK) -- she manipulates my language | the scion of a cunning goddess | Fridge and i *am* but a MAN | Magnet watching my gratuitous torment | Poetry not looking herculean |

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OT: PC Motherboard with a vacuum tube

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Sep 7, 0:53, Tony Duell wrote: > I'll bet that in, say, 5 years time you'll still be able to get 12AT7s > (what's that? ECC82?) Roughly. My Mullard 1977 Data Book lists as equivalents 12AT7 ECC81 12AU7 ECC82 12AX7 ECC83 12AZ7 ECC81 but I notice that my 1976 book lists ECC81 as obsolescent! You can still get them, though. That's a long obsolescence period! There's not much difference, actually; ECC81/82/83 are the same except for gm, mu, -Vg and Ia: gm mu -Vg Ia ECC81 5.5mA/V 60 2V 10mA ECC82 2.2mA/V 17 8.5V 10.5mA ECC83 1.6mA/V 90 2V 1.25mA And I found the 12AT7 data elsewhere: 12AT7 5.5mA/V 55 2V 10mA The small difference in mu between 12AT7 and ECC81 might just be the result of minor differences in measurement techniques or manufacturer quality; I read something that suggests the ECC81/82/83 were designed as exact replacements for the 12A?7 series. All data refer to 250V anode voltage. Those dual triodes are/were often underrun at 150-200V, and obviously the gain and currents etc change if you do that. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Cygwin

by appleone＠mac.com

If you're running Windows, you want Cygwin (http://cygwin.com) which is a unix environment foe Windows, GCC, bash shell & everything (even a port of XFree86). It has a port of ps2pdf. "Unix environment foe windows"? Boy, what a Freudian slip! And I think Mr. Gates would agree! Steve Christensen

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Noval 760 on eBay (again)

by sloboyko＠yahoo.com

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2052619348 This is that Noval 760 machine discussed earlier. If I had the room and could move it myself, the buy it now price seems reasonable (for a change!). It actually looks like a nice piece of furniture! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com

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FOR ST20 compiler

by han_hao＠163.net

hi,all I'm looking for something about ST20's compiler,ST20-SWC, ST20-SWC++ anybody can help me :_) HanHao han_hao(a)163.net

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OT: dumpster dive and water/mold cleanup

by doug_jackson＠citadel.com.au

This sort of reminds me that the village isn't quite so global...Even though the marketing says so... Brasso is an Australian Trademark. It may not exist elsewhere. Doug Jackson MSS Operations Manager Citadel Securix (02) 6290 9011 (Ph) (02) 6262 6152 (Fax) (0414) 986 878 (mobile) > -----Original Message----- > From: Geoff Roberts [mailto:geoffrob@stmarks.pp.catholic.edu.au] > Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 12:19 PM > To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: OT: dumpster dive and water/mold cleanup > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris" <mythtech(a)mac.com> > To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> > Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 11:14 AM > Subject: Re: OT: dumpster dive and water/mold cleanup > > > > >I've found that 'Brasso' applied by hand can descratch a CD > > >that was unreadable due to serious scratching and make it > > >useable. > > > > What's Brasso? > > Liquid brass polish. Been around forever. There is a > companion product for > silver called, oddly enough, Silvo which is a bit finer in > composition I > believe. > Brasso works very well on scratched cds, I've got a couple that were > unplayable/readable > and now look and play like new. Requires patience. I don't > recommend power > tools in this > application though I have resorted to putting the cd in a holder on a > variable speed drill for really > heavy scratching that was going to take forever by hand. > That worked, with > a chux and plenty of > brasso. > > Cheers > > Geoff in Oz > > > CAUTION - The information in this message may be of a privileged or confidential nature intended only for the use of the addressee or someone authorised to receive the addressee's e-mail. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error please notify postmaster(a)citadel.com.au. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of Citadel Securix. Feel free to visit the Citadel Securix website! Click below. http://www.citadel.com.au

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OT: dumpster dive and water/mold cleanup

by mythtech＠mac.com

>My sons had (as late as the late 70's) small Golden Books that came with a >thin vinyl record that had the story and sounds recorded (yeah they'll reall >learn how to read if you give them a record to play instead - duh!) I have >a feeling I stashed those away and might come across them this winter. My sister and I used to have something along those lines. It was a mini record player/slide projector. The records were hard plastic or vinyl, and they came with a stick with slides on it and a book. You would play the record, and insert the slide stick. The record would tell the story in the book (not word for word if I remember), and every time it would beep you would pull the slide stick up one notch (maybe pressed a button to do it for you, don't remember). Somewhere in a box I still have some of the record/slide/books, but the player is long gone. Some day I hope to find a new player at a flea market. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Interesting Book: "The Digital Dictionary"

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

Yesterday I finally got a couple books I'd gotten on eBay a couple weeks ago, obviously "VAXcluster Principles" is an interesting book, but I was surprised how good of a book "The Digital Dictionary" is. I got the 2nd Edition (the first was mainly internal use). It's a dictionary of all the different terms that were in use around 1986. As such it contains info on the PDP-10, PDP-11, and VAX, as well as DECmate's, Rainbows, and Professionals. As well as the Apps, Languages, and OS's. Great book if you want to know what a specific term or acronym means. Well worth picking up if you are in to DEC stuff and can find a copy! Zane -- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh(a)aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | healyzh(a)holonet.net (alternate) | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ |

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Wanted

by MSHLI＠aol.com

We would like to locate some Matrox QG-640 graphics boards for Qbus. These were manufactured in the 80's. Is there still an appropriate bulletin board where this want could be posted? Thank you, Neil Rubenstein Neil Rubenstein, Pres. N&R Scientific Co., Inc. 201 592 1864 201 592 7027-fax mshli(a)aol.com

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Paper tape reader/punch restoration

by coredump＠gifford.co.uk

I'm just starting to fix up and restore a very fine old paper tape reader, a GNT 4104. It's a photoelectric model and can go up to 1000 characters per second. It was originally used on a CTL Modular One, and has the CTL logo and "1.32" designation. Next, I'll have a look at the Facit 4070 paper tape punch. This seems to be a common model, and there's interfacing info available on the web. I also have a supply of blank paper tape! What I need is a recommendation for finding teletype oil, or something similar to lubricate the mechanical parts of these machines. The oil on the machines at the moment seems to have got very sticky, and nothing moves freely any more. Oh, and I do have manuals for both of these machines. -- John Honniball coredump(a)gifford.co.uk

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OT -- more housecleaning -- Victor computer

by zaft＠azstarnet.com

Okay, I have a Victor computer and monitor. It has a single 5.25" floppy drive. I've not opened it up but I suspect it's an early PC clone. The monitor plugs into the back of the PC and has no power cord or other attachments. The machine powers on, seemingly, but I get no display at all. I don't have a keyboard for it either. Anyone who wants it can have it, otherwise it goes to the recyclers next week. I'm in Tucson, AZ. Please contact me offlist. GZ Gordon Zaft zaft(a)azstarnet.com

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visiting NY next week?

by red＠bears.org

Howdy. I'm going to be in Poughkeepsie, NY, next week for an IBM z/VM class. I think it'd be nice to meet up with a couple of folks from the list, and maybe try to arrange to do something besides sit alone in my hotel room and read trashy novels. (: I'm due to arrive late Monday night, and I'm leaving early Thursday evening. Drop me a line and let me know what you think. ok r.

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OT: PC Motherboard with a vacuum tube

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

You gotta be kidding! It's not even April Fool's Day yet! Joe At 08:14 AM 9/6/02 -0600, you wrote: >Sufficiently retro to be interesting. > >Take a look at http://www.aopen.com/products/mb/Pax4b-533tube1.htm. The tube >is used in an onboard audio preamp. > >

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FA: Nova 1200, 1210 & 1220 Technical manuals, PCB book, N* book, more

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

I just finished putting some suff on E-bay including Technical Manuals for the Data General Nova 1200, 1210 and 1220, HDOS manual for the North Star hard drive systems, a good book on Magnaflux magentic partical inspection and a GREAT book on printed circuit boards by Clyde Coombs of Hewlett Packard. see <http://cgi6.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=rigd…> Joe

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Amiga goodies clearance

by ghldbrd＠ccp.com

Having had next to no interest in the usenet groups, I'm cleaning out my stash of Zorro cards and other Amiga goodies. Included are: Toaster 2000 cards, Flyer cards, A2065 Ethernet, A2091 SCSI with 2 Meg RAM, PP&S 040 accelerators, and memory cards. If you are interested e-mail me off-list and we can either go cash and carry or trade. I'm interested in SCSI-3 drives of more than 1 gig, an LCD display for an Apple IIc+, or anything to make an A1200 into a towerized computer, including case, slot expander, etc. Gary Hildebrand St. Joseph, MO

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S-100 Question (ISC Computer/Seattle Computer Products)

by gstreet＠indy.net

Back on June 9th of this year (Classic Tech Eletter #11), someone thoughtfully posted the paragraph at the bottom of this message (on this newsgroup). Coincidentally, I had already found the same S-100 computer and I eventually ended up winning the bid (I was the only bidder). I only very recently received this machine (it was slightly damaged in shipping, and it _really_ was filthy! (There was an enormous delay in shipping it to me.) I've got the damage straightened out and I completely disassembled it for cleaning. I just got it back together last night and turned on the switch. I seems to power up and the led's come on (led near the on/off switch and 3 led's on the backplane/motherboard). I talked to one person who said that he thought that he'd had an ISC computer before, but that it wasn't pure S-100. The reason that I bought this machine is that I have some Seattle Computer Products S-100 cards that I really want to get running. They drop in the ISC "S-100" computer _perfectly_, but I have not powered it up with the SCP cards in place. If there's something that's not "pure S-100" about the ISC, I don't want to damage the SCP cards. I just checked the link (below) and it still works. I think the link will disappear in just a few more days (90 days), so I can provide the same pictures to anyone interested after the link disappears. The reason it's taken so long to ask this question is because it took over 2 months for me to actually receive the unit (now the darned link is ready to vanish, probably on Sept 10th). http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2029719366 I cannot find _any_ information about ISC Systems Corp., Spokane, WA. It's an absolutely beautifully crafted unit and from the filthy condition that I received it in--it appears to have been left running for, perhaps, _years_! The seller claimed that he'd removed the existing cards to install in his Altair, but if that's true, someone must have already substituted different cards--in the pictures, you'll notice a bunch of twisted pair and other small gauge wires: these all appear to hook up to what would seem to be "non-standard" S-100 cards, through proprietary connectors. I cannot fathom how the original ISC cards could have been of any use to anyone except a user of this ISC system. It appears that the "non-standard" wires go to things like: keyboard, monitor, a network and LP 1 and LP 2 (LPT 1 & LPT 2??). There is yet another connector that I've no clue as to what it might do. _BUT_, _if_ the box itself conforms to the S-100 standard, and if I can use the SCP cards, all the other wires don't matter, because they won't be connected to anything. I've really taken a liking to this machine--I hope I can use it! Any help would be much appreciated! Thank you, Robert Greenstreet gstreet(a)indy.net > >At 08:33 PM 6/9/02 -0400, you wrote: >CLASSIC TECH ELETTER, Vol. 1, Issue 11 > >It's too bad the seller gutted this ISC Systems S-100 computer. If it >sells close to the opening bid, however, the buyer will get a good deal on >an S-100 starter system. (The seller's right about the system needing a >cleaning. You could knit a sweater with all the lint stuck in the fan >vent.)

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