- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by pietstan＠rogers.com

I spotted a few cards at the local dismantlers the other day, and I wonder what they are: - dual-height (2 card edge fingers) with a sticker reading " MTI Model MSV05B" and a 50-pin header at the outside edge of the card - quaad-height with a silk-screened Dilog logo and DQ130 model number and 2 50-pin headers at teh ccard edge. What are these?? They had several of each of these, condition unknown (they were already pulled out of the machines), which I asked them to put away for me for a few days. Does anybody need any? One machine I also spotted there was labelled VaxStation II / GPX in a BA123 enclosure. I"m not interested in the machine, but if anyone wants cards from it, let me know....

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PDP 11/44 working

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Oct 6, 21:34, Don Maslin wrote: > On Sun, 6 Oct 2002, John Lawson wrote: > > It boots from two Micropolis 51/4" half-height drives sitting in the > > card bay of a card-less 11/23 chassis... which has been re-badged by > > Centaur Software. The front panel switches control write-protect, now. > > I don't have models right now, since I didn't work on that device yet. > > But they connect to a Dilog DU686 controller card - a quad-height card > > with one common 34-pin ribbon and individual 20-pin ribbons going to each > > (of 2 drives). This is... MFM, no? the original owner called them SCSI > > but somehow I think not.... Anybody have Doc on this Dilog card? > > Certainly not SCSI, but are either ST506/411 (what you called MFM) or > ESDI. Check the controller capabilities or the interface of the drives > before you swap in a different drive that "looks the same". The > connectioons are NOT the same. DQ686 is an ESDI controller, with MSCP protocol. Don's right, do not connect ST506/412 drives to it or you'll release soe magic smoke! -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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10 years

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

I have a Newton.. also the complete, never-used programming kit.. And a spare LCD should anyone need one... Will J _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com

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Mystery QBus cards

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

MTI MSV05 = emulates DEC TSV05.. I have the manual for it... I think its a a QIC controller, not sure off the top of my head.. Will J _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com

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Mystery QBus cards

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

MTI MSV05 = emulates DEC TSV05.. I have the manual for it... I think its a a QIC controller, not sure off the top of my head.. Will J _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com

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Help needed with reading Altos 3068 disks

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

should be 5.25", I think 1.44MB, and UNIX. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx

23 years, 8 months

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PDP 11/44 working

by jpl15＠panix.com

Yesterday (and into the night), I powered up one of the two 11/44 machines rescued from San Diego. Did the usual thing of taking out the cards, documenting cables, cleaning, dusting, and then turning things up slow and watching voltages - no worries, the systaem came up and was subsequently reassembled in it's as-acquired config. It boots from two Micropolis 51/4" half-height drives sitting in the card bay of a card-less 11/23 chassis... which has been re-badged by Centaur Software. The front panel switches control write-protect, now. I don't have models right now, since I didn't work on that device yet. But they connect to a Dilog DU686 controller card - a quad-height card with one common 34-pin ribbon and individual 20-pin ribbons going to each (of 2 drives). This is... MFM, no? the original owner called them SCSI but somehow I think not.... Anybody have Doc on this Dilog card? The machine currently runs RSX-11M V4.2 G Build 58, or so it says. File creations run from 1980 to 1997, when the machine was shut down. The physical devices are mostly from '79 to '83. It has Fortran, Basic, and Oregon Pascal V2 installed. There is an RL02 system, working nicely, and couple of multi-line EIA muxes, one DEC (M7819) DZ11 and a Ditronics 16-line EIA mux. There is also a Digital Pathways SLC-1 real-time clock/calendar that sits in the Console line and responds to certain interrogatories from the System... fairly funky, IMHO. It came with printsets for all major subsystems, and the Blue Wall, and about 20 RL02 packs, most of which are blank. If everything goes as planned, I will bring this machine to VCF5.0 and let it be Played With. And, looking back into the Files, it was Bill Bradford who first brought this machine to the attention of Chris Kennedy, who referred it to me, and voila! here it is warming my (pleasantly) chilly garage while we wait to see if Autumn is going to actually stay for a while. It was pushing 90 here this afternoon... wierd! Should be fixing to snow.... So - now to wake up the Second System. Since this was a mission-critical machine, there are actually two complete identically-configured 11/44a and disk subsystems. The RL02 is shared by changing cables to the machine in use, and the TTY lines are all hooked up to a bank of DPDT mini switches (also by Centaurus Software) so that, if one system crashes, the other can be cut over by changing one connector and flipping the switches. Anyway - not a particularly 'rare' or 'significant' system, but certainly fun to mess around with. It certainly gets stares from my nieghbors. One of the local kids looked in while it was running this evening and asked "what's *that* thing?". I told him it was a computer. "No Way!!" Cheers John

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BSD 2.9

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Oct 6, 12:52, Zane H. Healy wrote: > >5th or 6th edition would be more practical on this system, though you'd > >probably have to write a TU58 driver. > > > >Eric > > I thought 5th & 6th were limited to Unibus systems.... For that matter, > will 7th even run on a Q-Bus system? 7th Edition certainly runs on QBus. That's what one of my 11/23's is running, and it was a development machine for Heriot-Watt University, when they were the UK distribution centre. It has 256KB RAM and two RL02's on an RLV11 controller. With a small tweak, 7th Edition will also run on an 11/73. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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School Auction Finds

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

Went to a large school auction Saturday and got lots of stuff real cheap. There was hundreds of computers stuff at this auction. I got; Epson PX-8 missing keyboard cover and ac adapter. 2 - IBM EduQuest Fifty-cs desktop computers that work fine, first time I had seen these. I have several of the all-in-one units. IBM type 3194 controller. NEC MultiSync 6FGp 20" monitor for $1 and it works great. Apple IIe platinum case and 6 external 51/4 floppy drives. IBM Thinkpad 350c no charger but only cost $1 Compaq Contura 3/25c no charger but also was only $1 And I got about 15 P166 Compaq for less than $1 each along with one P266 Compaq, several IBM 486's desktop all for less than $1 each. There were some Dell's in the lot also. Also got a box full of game consoles that I have not checked yet but saw a Genesis 16-bit and NES on top.

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hp items found today

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

Went to unload the van at the warehouse and stopped at a couple of stores and found these hp items: hp 82162A Thermal Printer with one roll of paper. hp 82169A HP-IL/HP-IB Interface unit. A plastic bag hanging on the junk rack with a hp ac adapter 82059D; hp 82160A HP-IL module; and three different length hp cables for the above units. Also picked up a power supply for the Zenith Supersport 286 notebook.

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Help Needed with NT 4 Password

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

Just purchased a digital Prioris HX 5133DP server at a auction and it is password protected. It powers up ok and then ask for the admin password. Does anyone know a work around to get into this system? Can put a new version of NT 4 on top of it? I do have a legal CD that I got last year that could install on top if I will not lose the drivers that are already on the machine. Thanks in advance for any help.

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Tek O-scope's Available in Oregon

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

Yesterday I ran across someone that has a fairly large supply of Tek Oscilliscopes available with all the pluggins (I believe they're the 7704A model). They were well cleaned prior to storage and they've been kept in a very clean environment. He said prior to storing them they all worked, but prior to selling any he'd want to recheck them. I gather he wants a fair price (it sounded reasonable to me), and would be willing to ship (for an additional cost). If anyone is interested, let me know and I'll put you in contact with him. Zane -- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh(a)aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ |

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Any Altos fans out there?

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

After their Xenix 8086 systems, they made 68k-based *NIX servers... I think they were making x86 processor *NIX servers when Acer bought them.. I have a 3068EP, which is a 20MHz 68020 machine, needs manuals and software, plus assorted case parts.. Will J _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx

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Any Altos fans out there?

by fmc＠reanimators.org

Bob Shannon <bshannon(a)tiac.net> wrote: > Does anyone have a pointer to the general history of Altos? Whatever > happend to them? Bought by Acer. -Frank McConnell

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SIPP to SIMM conversion

by lgwalker＠mts.net

Does anyone on the list know a source for the kits to change SIMMs to SIPPs. I believe you soldered the tips on. Or better yet a source for these hard to get 30 pin RAM chips. Lawrence lgwalker(a)mts.net bigwalk_ca(a)yahoo.com

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SIPP to SIMM conversion

by jwillis＠arielusa.com

I have in stock many many many 30 pin SIMMS

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Excelan EXOS 8000S ?

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

Well I used to have some model of EXOS ethernet interface that was QBus... They were, at one point, owned by Novell.. The board even had Novell silkscreened on it, was quite amusing to me.. I still have a multibus EXOS card for a Masscomp. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx

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Excelan EXOS 8000S ?

by Fred.van.Kempen＠microwalt.nl

Hi all ! While reading in the *pile* of magtapes (on my left side; rightside for the viewers ;-) I found a tape which doesn't look very familiar to me: Excelan EXOS 8000-0101S TCP/IP NETWORK SOFTWARE SOURCE PRODUCT FOR OEM DEVELOPMENT PN: 4408000-0101S REL: 3.3Zv7 It has three more labels, all of which warn about it's contents being proprietary, confidential, yadda yadda. The usual :) Question: what is this? Does anyone know, or remember, what the EXOS 8000S was? The contents (2.3MB or so) look like a UNIX dist of some kind, with UNIX shell scripts for installation... the rest is probably a compressed file with the sources. Any ideas? Thx, TapeMa$ter Fred

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New finds on Thursday At the Thrift's

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

Got a digital DECstation 5000/240 $6.95 plus tax no keyboard, mouse or monitor with it. A dca IRMA Key/3270 keyboard in excellent shape. A dtk DLT-3311 laptop for $8 no charger with it so not able to test it yet. Apple mono monitor A2M2010 with cable. A DeLorme TripMate Hyperformance GPS unit for laptop missing software and manual, was free. A TI Passport Flight Computer was free. SyQuest SyJet 1.5 GB internal SCSI cartridge unit was $1.21 and I found one cartridge for it (the lady let me have it for 60 cents), and I also found the install 3.5 FD for it at a cost of 75 cents. Got some game cartridges for the NES, SNS, Sega CD, and some controllers for PS1 console. Also got several mousepads for that collection and some books/manuals.

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Penpoint! was Re: 10 years

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

Hi Bob Just thought I'd let you know that this last message was sent with an html attachment. You shouldn't sent html to news groups. Dwight

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Hamfest: Bedford Indiana

by Mzthompson＠aol.com

As mentioned in an earlier posting, there is a hamfest this weekend. It is at Bedford Indiana. It is not usually a big hamfest, but I seem to find better goodies there than some of the bigger events. It is also a reunion of sorts for a group of folks from all over Indiana and I get to see old friends from Civil Air Patrol days and the like. In addition to the Intel PC stuff mentioned in an earlier posting, I will have some other computer stuff. Under the heading of DEC will be some keyboards, mice (you awake Ethan), MMJ cables & adapters, as well as some free manuals (which I won't bring back). Also hope to take some spare NeXT parts. If you are interested in going, see: http://www.hoosierhillshamfest.org for a map, directions and GPS info. If you mention you are a Classiccmp'er, I'll give you a good discount and maybe even a free goodie or two. Mike KA9JWZ

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Recent Acquistions (Intel)

by Mzthompson＠aol.com

After I got the PowerMacs, I went back with an idea. Since he considers 486's and lower to be useless I made a suggestion. I would tear them down to cards, memory, drives, cables, etc. and I would take the stuff to an upcoming hamfest (see next posting) and sell it cheap. He agreed and we decided on a 50-50 split and I got 'skimming' rights to the machines as I tear them down to cover my time. We also decided to recycle the cases and motherboards to keep them out of the landfill. So after a few afternoons I got more PC stuff piled around here than even I can tolerate. Let me just say that I am not so naive as to believe that the majority of this mess will sell. I suspect the shop owner thinks otherwise. But who knows, someone might walk up and see that box full of hundreds of SIMMS and make me an offer that I just can't refuse. During those afternoons, he would come back and offer to give me this and that. I think he was happy to just be able to walk into the store room and see the empty space grow. Out of all his offers was a monitor for a PowerMac that had been recently uncovered. The thing that probably made all of this worth it is what I call the Borland Bonanza. Among all the machines were boxes of software. I got about two dozen sets of disks in unopened plastic wrap. It includes Paradox, dbase, Turbo C++, Turbo Pascal, ObjectVision, Delphi, etc. For some products there is both DOS and Windoze versions. Given that it is older versions, I suppose that it is available on their web site. Still there is something to be said for having the original disks. Mike

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Earlier Acquistions

by Mzthompson＠aol.com

I went into the local PC reseller's shop just over a month ago. He had gotten in a big mess of machines which included some Apple stuff. I managed to talk him out of three PowerMacs (not quite 10 years old yet) for 10 bucks each. The models were 7200/120 (with a 1.2 gb HDD), 7200/90, and a 7100/66. These weren't for me though and they are gone now. A friend of mine took them for his daughter's private church school. If it were not for his efforts they probably wouldn't even have that first machine. These were the machines only, no monitors, kybds, mice, etc. That has been partially rectified. See my next posting. Mike

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SCSI drive available

by Fred.van.Kempen＠microwalt.nl

> I probably have the room, but not the inclination. I am > really a software person - the hardware is just there to > run the software - well mostly - my wife certainly would > not agree when she she looks at the basement full of > PDP-11 junk. Ahh, but that merely takes a quick #ifdef WIFE # undef WIFE # define WIFE GEEK_WIFE #endif to fix... :) > As for using the RL02 and RK05 drives, while I have > one RK05 drive at the moment and a borrowed RKV11-D > (THANK YOU Ethan Dicks - which I am close to being > finished with) to recover some RK05 packs I obtained > last year in Montreal, I would NEVER consider using the > RL02 drives, let alone the RK05 drive, as a production > unit to fix software bugs, etc. So if I really want to run > some code which can only be run using an RK05 device > driver under RT-11, I would use Ersatz-11 and run the > code on a PC under Windows 98 SE/Ersatz-11. About > the only problem is that it will run TOO FAST - about > 15 times the speed of a PDP-11/93 right now and > eventually I hope to get to 50 times the speed of a > PDP-11/93 when a high end Pentium 4 is cheap enough. I do all my Ultrix-11 development under E11 too, simple because (a) it's a hell of a lot faster, and (b) I can take Falcon (the "machine") with me, including its four RA82 drives and all the others. :) Still.. I do try make sure it still runs (acceptably) on Real Hardware as much as possible. Which usually means teaming with retrogeek-friends for Yet Another retro-session. (did I mention the WIFE issue already? They usually seem to have issues with these sessions, too.. duuno why ;-) So... OK. I probably would not run a bunch of RP's for fun anymore. However, I have friends ['lo, ed ;-] that do, soo... :) --fred

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Oops...

by jimw＠agora.rdrop.com

Sorry gang, email/web site just came back on line (net seems to be having a bad week) and in trying to respond to some inquiries I see that the mailer responded back to the list. My bad. -jim --- jimw(a)agora.rdrop.com The Computer Garage - http://www.rdrop.com/~jimw

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Computer Garage - "Garage Sale"

by jimw＠agora.rdrop.com

Greetings all; Finances suck at present, and to be honest I don't know if I'm going to be able to make VCF this year. (foo) So... in an attempt to free up some much needed $$ and keep the lights on, (and maybe even get to VCF) I'm having a "Garage Sale". (appropriate, no?) The offering list and details can be found at: http://www.rdrop.com/~jimw/Gsale Any questions, drop me a note. Thanks! -jim --- jimw(a)agora.rdrop.com The Computer Garage - http://www.rdrop.com/~jimw

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RD53 repair

by dundas＠caltech.edu

I know Allison posted on this several years ago, but I couldn't find a collection of instructions. Maybe someone has put this together in a "cookbook." I have several RD53s that I'd like to get data off of. I opened one up as described in previous posts. However it's not obvious to my eyes where the failed rubber bumper is. Do any of you have any detailed instructions you can send or point me to regarding repairing these drives? Thanks for any help. John --------------------------------------------------------- John A. Dundas III Director, Information Technology Services, Caltech Mail Code: 014-81, Pasadena, CA 91125-8100 Phone: 626.395.3392 FAX: 626.449.6973 <mailto:dundas@caltech.edu>

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10 years

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

ClassicCmpLite? Tastes great, less filling? heh _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com

23 years, 8 months

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Spectrum Issue 2

by Antonio.Carlini＠riverstonenet.com

I have a Spectrum (issue two) with a duff power connector. Does anyone know where I can get a direct replacement connector in the UK (other than ripping it off another similar Spectrum ...). Thanks Antonio arcarlini(a)iee.org

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10 years

by mbg＠TheWorld.com

Speaking of a C64... I know of someone who has one she wants to get rid of along with a disk drive... Contact Cesullivan(a)aol.com if interested... Megan

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10 years

by mbg＠TheWorld.com

>> I would actually like to see the "official" cutoff pushed out to 20 >> years, as 10 years just does not seem that long ago... > >We could start a second list: ClassicerCmp. Or named 'ClassicCmpLite' Megan

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Stuff on ebay

by Fred.van.Kempen＠microwalt.nl

> > ROCKWELL's 6502 (100% 6800 code compatible) > > He probably runs windows XP on it as well, using it as a > firewall/intranet server for the house. > > "It is best to keep one's mouth closed and be thought a fool, than to > open it and remove all doubt." Besides, wasn't the Rockwell chip the improved version of the original (MOS) 6502, called the 65C02? It had some nifty extra instructions and an extra addressing mode.. --fred

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Stuff on ebay

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

One presumes his car doesn't have electronic fuel injection... _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx

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Paperwork to move classiccmps from .ca to .us?

by Robert_Feldman＠jdedwards.com

It used to be for some cameras that you could not import one if it had the logo/name intact. Just covering it with tape or goo was not sufficient -- the name had to be ground off! This condition was imposed by the official US importer, IIRC. -----Original Message----- From: Eric Smith [mailto:eric@brouhaha.com] Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 3:02 PM To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: Paperwork to move classiccmps from .ca to .us? Mike Feher wrote: > Another thing that really helps is to declare that it was made in the > USA. Regards - Mike "Fred Cisin (XenoSoft)" <cisin(a)xenosoft.com> wrote: > That can SOMETIMES add to the problems! > A US company with a registered trademark can object to anything with > their trademark being permitted in! Surely they can't do anything to prevent a product they manufactured and that bears their trademark from being imported? Isn't that covered under the doctrine of first sale?

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SCSI drive available

by Fred.van.Kempen＠microwalt.nl

> > Ahh, but that merely takes a quick > > > > #ifdef WIFE > > # undef WIFE > > # define WIFE GEEK_WIFE > > #endif > > You forgot the step: > > #undef HALF OOps. > Also, the third step of your algorithm seems to be quite > difficult to achieve. Nobody ever said programming was easy... :) Much worse is the lack of share-ware (also called try-before-you-buy) these days... --f

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OSI disk basic disk

by Lee.Davison＠merlincommunications.com

Does anyone have an image of the OSI Disk BASIC disk? If not that disk any 'bootable' disk for any of the 6502 OSI Challenger, or compatible, machines. I've managed to replicate the OSI 610 disk interface and get it to read/write onto a DD 3.5" drive. Now I would like to try it out with some 'real' software. Ta much. Lee. ________________________________________________________________________ This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star Internet. The service is powered by MessageLabs. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit: http://www.star.net.uk ________________________________________________________________________

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10 years

by passerm＠umkc.edu

The point is that elitists years ago would have said the same thing about the C-64, which is now generally considered a classic.

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10 years

by passerm＠umkc.edu

Re: 10 yearsI find it interesting that I agree with this, but picturing the same text after a %s/PC/C64/g (and other appropriate adjustments) changes my attitude somewhat. --Mike

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What's wrong with this picture?

by jingber＠ix.netcom.com

It's been a long day. This was good for a laugh: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1772937615 Jeffrey H. Ingber (jingber(a)ix.netcom.com)

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First Indirect Addressing?

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

Well I'm not sure as to indexing, but I know that the entire memory on the LGP-30 is the drum.. nothing else, well at least not programmable anyway.. and no, I/O devices aren't memory! heh _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com

23 years, 8 months

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Stuff on ebay

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

>From: "Fred N. van Kempen" <Fred.van.Kempen(a)microwalt.nl> > >> > ROCKWELL's 6502 (100% 6800 code compatible) >> >> He probably runs windows XP on it as well, using it as a >> firewall/intranet server for the house. >> >> "It is best to keep one's mouth closed and be thought a fool, than to >> open it and remove all doubt." > >Besides, wasn't the Rockwell chip the improved version of the original >(MOS) 6502, called the 65C02? It had some nifty extra instructions and >an extra addressing mode.. > >--fred > Hi Fred I have a Rockwell AIM65 and book. I'll have to see if there is anything extra. Having worked on both 6800 and 6502 code, I can assure you that there is no code compatability. The 6502 traded depth in instructions for more page 0 accesses. For most applications, this worked well. Those who worked with Apples will tell you that the OS over used page 0 and didn't leave enough for the users. As was mentioned, there was a 6501 that was pin compatable with the 6800. It was also not code compatable. Rockwell also made a number of embedded 6502 application processors. These are a pain because they are P-MOS and have non-ttl busses. I have these in my old Gottlieb pinball machine ( what we pinheads call spider chips ). Dwight

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TDU, TDF and "Doing magtape image archiving" [was: HP 7980S ...]

by Fred.van.Kempen＠microwalt.nl

All, Oooh... hrrm. Didn't realize there was such a lot of interest in those (already). The toolkit is basically an API in the shape of a C library, which handles all the nitty gritty of the TDF (Tape Distribution Format, aka Tape Dump Format) file format stuff. The user interface for reading physical tapes to image, writing the images back to physical tapes, and doing all sorts of weird stuff with the image files, is handled by a single program called TDU, the T... Utility. Its synopsis is similar to that of 'tar': -------------------------------------------------------- TDU version 1.0.15 for OpenBSD on VAX. Usage: tdu [-f file] [-m maxchunk] [-p path] [-v] cmd [args] where 'cmd' is one of {c|e|i|p|r|t|w|x} -------------------------------------------------------- Also, several conversion tools exist to convert between TDF and TAP (used in Ersatz-11 and SimH simlators) and raw formats. The tookit is currently in its final First Release testing, at version 1.0.15. It has been tested with the following systems: - DOS 6.22 and Win32 DOS box (with ASPI layers for tape I/O) - Windows 9X, NT 4.0 and 2K, Win32 console app - DEC Ultrix-32 V4.5 both VAX and MIPS - OpenBSD/vax V3.1 - DEC Ultrix-11 (on PD-11/83, both real and emulated) - SunOS 4.1.4 on SPARCstation - Solaris (cant memebr which one) - SGI IRIX Porting to VMS is being done by Robert Alan Byer, of SimH/VMS fame. Thanks to Tim Shoppa for helping me out with one of those 'does this ever happen?' issues ... :) I have added TDF support to SimH, so you can just do a simh> mount mt0: /u/dist/rsx11mplus-4.2-tp1.tdf /wprotect /tdf in SinH and then boot the tape. The goal, of course, is to be able to easly get an archive of software up and running. Here's sample output of what an RSX-11M Plus V4.2 tape looks like: -------------------------------------------------------- (vaxlab)$ tdu tfv rsx11mplus-4.2-tp1.tdf TDF version : 1 CRC-32 : 0x32b466df Part # : BB-J083H-BC Serial Number : ME109856 Tape Label : RSX-11M-PLUS V4.2 MT:1600 Description : BRUSYS STANDALONE COPY SYSTEM Copyright : 1989 Owner : DIGITAL EQUIPMENT CORPORATION File 0 : blocksize 512 (439 blocks) File 1 : blocksize 80 (2 blocks) File 2 : blocksize 80 (1 blocks) 2 : blocksize 512 (2 blocks) 2 : blocksize 80 (1 blocks) 2 : blocksize 512 (1 blocks) 2 : blocksize 80 (2 blocks) 2 : blocksize 2560 (1 blocks) 2 : blocksize 80 (1 blocks) 2 : blocksize 4144 (28 blocks) 2 : blocksize 560 (1 blocks) File 3 : blocksize 80 (2 blocks) File 4 : blocksize 80 (2 blocks) File 5 : blocksize 80 (1 blocks) 5 : blocksize 512 (2 blocks) ....... -------------------------------------------------------- All I need to do is testing magtapes written with TDU, and I need the HP to work for that. The code will be released for more testing after I merge in Robert Byer's VMS stuff when he's done. Cheers, Fred

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OT: Anybody have these Apple items??

by r_beaudry＠hotmail.com

Hello all, You knew this list would closely follow the free list :-) I believe all of these are too new to be on-topic, so my apologies... It never hurts to ask, right? If anyone has any of these items, please contact me OFF-LIST... Thanks! 1) Apple Localtalk Locking Connector Kit, DE-9 (for a LocalTalk PC Card). I have two cards, so I'd like two kits... 2) I recently purchased a 12" PCI-slot Apple PC Compatibility card, for a PowerMac 8500, but it did not have the three-connector monitor cable (one connects to the PC card, one to the monitor, and one to the Mac video output). 3) Apple "Superdrive" 1.44MB 3.5" floppy -- needs to be the AUTO-INJECT style, where the manual eject pinhole is directly to the right of the drive slot, and NOT where the pinhole is directly below the slot. You can also identify this drive as one WITHOUT the flap over the drive slot. The bare drive is fine, as I intend to put it in my own enclosure. I'd like to get two if possible. I guess that's it for now.. :-) Rich B. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com

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HP 7980S scsi 9-track [GAIN]

by Fred.van.Kempen＠microwalt.nl

Hey all ! *grumpf* still not working. Although I can change the DENSITY setting with CONF 46, it doesn't "hold" it. The moment I try to write a tape, it switches back to the original 6250 setting. Meaning (apparently) that the host is forcing it to 6250... So... how does one tell that thing that host (SCSI) commands can **NOT** override the default density stored with CONF46 ? I grabbed the Sun manual, but that didn't say much about it, just that it had a DENSITY switch which mine doesn't have, and the info on the COFN46 stuff... --fred

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Items for free

by r_beaudry＠hotmail.com

Hello all, I have the following items available for free... You do need to pay for shipping, so send me your country or ZIP code with your requests, so I can get shipping quotes out. I accept PayPal, or money order for postage payments. This is *NOT* first-come, first-serve. In order to be fair to international and digest readers, I will pull names from my hat (or any other convenient place :-) ) to determine who gets what. PLEASE make all contact OFF-LIST.... No need to flood the list with replies... - HP Network Printer Interface for HP LaserJet IIIsi -- looks unused, comes w/ selaed manual, LANSpool Si test drive edition, original box - Dell Laser System Font Cartridge "R" - Qty. 2 SMC fiber-optic Arcnet cards, ISA bus, model PC-310, original box, w/ manual and registration card, sticker priced at $1295.00 each! - Qty. 2 proNET Model p2400 "Wire center" -- 4 ports on top, two on the sides, top ports labeled "node", side ports labeled "link". Each port has a switch for "in ring" and"out", and each port is a 15-pin D-shaped connector -- token ring??? - NEC ProSpeed Power-Block Battery Cartridge for the ProSpeed 286 laptop. Model no. PC-21-71. Probably dead, but looks in near-mint condition, and in original box/packaging. - Qty. 3 Connect brand Ethernet/PC 16-bit ISA Ethernet cards -- AUI/BNC connectors, original box, driver disk, docs (refer to BNC as "CheaperNet" connector, so you know it's old :-)) - Microchannel 3270 card -- no docs, but comes w/ "IBM Personal System 3270 Connection Diagnostics" diskette (Version 4.10) - Tiara LANCard/A, full-length 16-bit ISA Arcnet card, w/ original box, manual - Chorus Data Systems PC-EYE Video Capture card -- old, full-length 8-bit ISA card for video capture. w/ original box, docs, software. Manual seems to indicate it willwork with "standard" graphics cards, but install instructions only refer to Chorus cards - Excelan Etherport II ethernet card -- looks like a Macintosh NuBus, or PDS? (96-pin connector, 3 rows of 32) full-length card, no docs or drivers - Qty. 3 Madge Microchannel token ring cards, "SMART MC Ringnode", w/ original box, disks,docs. 2 boxes still sealed, one opened - Proteon ProNET 8-port Wire Center. similar to 4-port described above, but with 8 ports, not 4 :-) - Megahertz External Token Ring Adapter for Toshiba T1000SE/XE/LE, T1200XE, T2000SX, original box, manual, disks _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com

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HP 7980S scsi 9-track

by jfoust＠threedee.com

At 11:43 AM 10/3/2002 +0200, Fred N. van Kempen wrote: >I wrote my own ASPI layer for both DOS and Win32, and developed >a bunch of tools around them to handle the reading, writing and >archiving of tapes of various sorts. Did you release these tools on the web somewhere? - John

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SCSI drive available

by Fred.van.Kempen＠microwalt.nl

I used to have about half a zillion of these and other "anywhere between 2 and 9G" SCSI drives, mostly taken from old Compaq servers I had to service. Most of them have been given away, but I do have some 4GB's left. I *might* have a bunch of 9GB barracuda's left, too, which run at 7200. And get hot. :) --f

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SCSI drive available

by Fred.van.Kempen＠microwalt.nl

> Jerome Fine replied: > > But that is where I draw the line as far as "production" hardware > is concerned. I don't regard a 60 lb. RL02 drive as reasonable > because of BOTH the size and the weight - aside from the fact > that the capacity is only 10 MBytes. Yeah, but they are way cool, too, like the RK05's.... I truly wish I had the physical space to put up some racks with an 11/40, 11/34a and an 11/70 side-by-side -with- all the stuff that used to go with them... *sigh* --fred

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Info request : Tek 4052

by hansp＠aconit.org

We are exhibiting a Tektronix 4052 computer and I am looking for some info on the beastie: Year of introduction Price at introduction Memory size Processor Clock frequency Tape capacity Tape speed Screen resolution The web seems somewhat reluctant to divulge this info and I'd appreciate your help. Regards, -- Hans B Pufal

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HP 7980S scsi 9-track

by Fred.van.Kempen＠microwalt.nl

> > Bear in mind that you'll need some fairly specialized (and > expensive -- > > in the $300 region) software if you want to use that drive > on any sort > > of PC. > > Someone should have warned me about that before I started > using one with no special software whatsoever. :-) > > It responds to plain old SCSI tape commands, so any software > that talks to SCSI tape drives should work. Yeah :) I wrote my own ASPI layer for both DOS and Win32, and developed a bunch of tools around them to handle the reading, writing and archiving of tapes of various sorts. Kinda nice, because I can read in magtapes, store them in a single formatted file, enter the info on the tape label, and then let it sit on my server, or email it around. Later, one can re-write a tape using that file. The drawback is: many tapes [worldwide] have decided to gather up and move themselves to Holland, to find their eternal piece in archived format. In other words... gawd, I still have a PILE of tapes to go.... Anyway. The toolkit runs under most UNIXes, too, so no problems there. The 7980S is actually connected to a MicroVAX 3100 running Ultrix, and that box is my fast-tape-reader. Nice! It responds fine, no extra stuff needed. Cheers, Fred

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Looking for CP/M-86 for Compudata Tulip System I

by Fred.van.Kempen＠microwalt.nl

*sigh* Sorry people, wasn't awake when doing that. I redirected it offlist. *blush* --f

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Looking for CP/M-86 for Compudata Tulip System I

by Fred.van.Kempen＠microwalt.nl

Freek, Een hele oude vriend van me, die ik al zeker 15 jaar niet heb gezien, had er een. Die mensen verzamelden ook vanalles, en ze waren heel zuinig op de spullen. Ze zouden die machine plus aanverwanten nog best eens kunnen hebben. Via telefoonboek of 0800-8008 zou je hun telnr kunnen achterhalen; ik weet het niet meer: Roeland & Maarten Tuk Schoonoord [ik meen] 92 Voorhout, ZH Groets, Fred

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HP 7980S scsi 9-track

by Fred.van.Kempen＠microwalt.nl

Thanks to all who responded, both on-list and off-list. Summary: While READING, the 7980S will always default to whatever it finds on the tape currently loaded. If no format can be found (? bulk- erased tape?) it will use the setting below. While WRITING, it will use the desity as set with the CONF 46 setting. So, to fix my problem I had to set CONF46 to 1600, rather than 6250, and it worked. :) Cheers, Fred

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Mag Drums?

by glenslick＠hotmail.com

Anyone know what this is? Litton Systems? http://home1.gte.net/~gslick/drum.jpg _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com

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Digital Decserver 700-16 info requested

by Antonio.Carlini＠riverstonenet.com

-----Original Message----- From: Doug Jackson [mailto:doug_jackson@citadel.com.au] Sent: 03 October 2002 06:58 To: 'cctalk(a)classiccmp.org' Subject: Digital Decserver 700-16 info requested Hi, >I am the proud owner of 3 of these old (1991) terminal servers. DSRVW-YC. A01 > Unfortunately, I have absoloutly no doco. I have been able to determine that the device is trying to TFTP Go to the dnpg website and enter "decserver 700" as a search term or follow this link: http://www.dnpg.com/search/search.cgi?m=any&ps=10&o=0&q=decserver+700 Antonio

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Digital T2011 Board

by Antonio.Carlini＠riverstonenet.com

>From: Geoff Roberts [mailto:geoffrob@stmarks.pp.catholic.edu.au] >>From: "Jeffrey Sharp" <jss(a)subatomix.com> >> On Wednesday, October 2, 2002, Stefan wrote: >> > I forgot >> >> Some file I have says: >> : T2011 - 6310 - 6300 CPU / KA62B CPU XMI cpu module > >Yes, 300 Series cpu for a VAX 6000 4.7VUP. (1 VUP~=1 MIPS) My list has: T2011-00 KA62A-A VAX 6000-200 CPU T2011-YA KA62B-A VAX 6000-300 CPU T2011-YB KA62A-B VAXserver 6000-200 CPU T2011-YC KA62B-B VAXserver 6000-300 CPU I don't have any manuals to hand to go and check. I do know that the KA62B was essentially a souped up KA62A, so the -YA designator seems entirely plausible. Antonio

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HP 7980S scsi 9-track

by fmc＠reanimators.org

"Bruce Lane" <kyrrin(a)bluefeathertech.com> wrote: > I had an 88170 at one time. They're pretty much the same as > the 7980. It will automatically sense the density of the tape > you load, and will lock itself to said density, and it should > certainly be able to handle all three of the standards (800, > 1600, 6250). It's less than certain. The supported densities are determined by the installed board set. There are many 88780s out there that only do 1600 and 6250. Fewer that do 800 too. I have yet to run across one that only does 1600 but it's a possible configuration; HP sold that (w/HP-IB interface) as the 7979A. For 7980s, 1600 and 6250 are standard and 800 is an option. 7980A is HP-IB, 7980S is SCSI (single-ended). There's also an "XC" option which does in-the-drive compression on 6250BPI tapes; I think this option does not coexist with the 800BPI option. BTW, a couple months ago Sun had a version of their service manual for the 88780 up at: http://sunsolve.sun.com/data/800/800-3447/pdf/doc.pdf It's missing the figures though. > Bear in mind that you'll need some fairly specialized (and > expensive -- in the $300 region) software if you want to use > that drive on any sort of PC. Last time I noticed, FreeBSD and Linux were able to make use of a SCSI interface with an attached 88780. -Frank McConnell

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5150 & 720 KB FD

by robert_little_2000＠yahoo.com

Think I found the problems.... Machine #2 (the one I'm rebuilding) had its DIP's set for a single drive. After correcting that, still failed to work, so decided to check out the 720 itself... AH HA! Of course it wouldn't work. It was a dead drive. As for the purist out there who shudder at the thought of adding later components to such a classic, I should mention that I'm an astronomer. I don't have the systems as collectibles, I use them. Yup, that's right... when you're on a budget, you have to make everything work. This ol' PC is basically just going to serve as a real time clock. With CGA monitors they are good for that... Better that then have it go to the landfill (as is too often the case...) Robert Little Astronomer Talcott Mountain Science Center __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com

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Digital Decserver 700-16 info requested

by doug_jackson＠citadel.com.au

Hi, I am the proud owner of 3 of these old (1991) terminal servers. DSRVW-YC. A01 Unfortunately, I have absoloutly no doco. I have been able to determine that the device is trying to TFTP a configuration file of some type. But I can not find any doco since Compaq desimated the Digital support sites. I believe that their logic was "is this PC related?" no - flush it. Does anybody on the list either (1) know anything or (2) know anybody who would know anything, about these boxes. I would *really* like to use one to put a couple of modems onto to use as a dial in service for my organisation. regards, Doug Jackson Director, Managed Security Services Citadel Securix +61 (0)2 6290 9011 (Ph) +61 (0)2 6262 6152 (Fax) +61 (0)414 986 878 (Mobile) Web: <www.citadel.com.au> Offices in Melbourne, Sydney, Canberra, Hong Kong, Boston CAUTION - The information in this message may be of a privileged or confidential nature intended only for the use of the addressee or someone authorised to receive the addressee's e-mail. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error please notify postmaster(a)citadel.com.au. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of Citadel Securix. Feel free to visit the Citadel Securix website! Click below. http://www.citadel.com.au

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Digital T2011 Board

by stefan＠softhome.net

Anybody interested in this board ? Its a CPU board, and I even looked it up, but I forgot. So if anyone wants anymore info let me know. Stefan.

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VCF Gazette Volume 1 Issue 3

by IVIE＠cc.usu.edu

> Vintage Computer Festival 5.0 is scheduled for October 26th and 27th. > Doors open at 9:00AM each day, with talks beginning at 10:00AM and > running until 2:00PM. The Exhibit and Marketplace is open from 2:00PM > until 6:00PM each day. Argh! It's up against the Edwards AFB air show. Moral dilemma... -- Roger Ivie ivie(a)cc.usu.edu

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First Indirect Addressing?

by phil＠ultimate.com

>From: "Andy Holt" <andyh(a)andyh-rayleigh.freeserve.co.uk> > IBM704 (mid '50s) didn't The IBM709, which succeeded the 704 did; http://www.columbia.edu/acis/history/grosch.html The 709 succeeded the 704, adding overlapped i/o, indirect addressing, and decimal instructions. The 7090 was a 709 with transistor, rather than vacuum-tube, logic. http://www-1.ibm.com/ibm/history/reference/glossary_7.html The IBM 709 Data Processing System was introduced in January 1957. > PDP8 (?) did The first DEC computer, the PDP-1 (designed 1959) did as well. http://www.utc.edu/~jdumas/cs460/vonnarch.htm mentions the 709 and no others.

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VCF Gazette Volume 1 Issue 3

by vcf＠siconic.com

VCF Gazette Volume 1, Issue 3 A Newsletter for the Vintage Computer Festival October 1, 2002 Hello Vintage Computer Fans! The VCF Gazette is back again with more news about the Vintage Computer Festival. In this issue: VCF 5.0 Venue Change VCF 5.0 General Information VCF 5.0 Special Events VCF Open House Update Latest Additions to the VCF Archives VCF 5.0 Venue Change -------------------- The VCF is pleased to announce that this year's Vintage Computer Festival is being sponsored by the Computer History Museum. This sponsorship has enabled the VCF to be held at the Moffett Training & Conference Center at the Moffett Federal Airfield in Mountain View, California. The move has several advantages, including tighter integration with the tours to the Computer History Museum's Visible Storage exhibit area. Tours of the Air & Space Museum will also be available. The Computer History Museum has always shown support for the VCF in the past by exhibiting terrific artifacts from their collection in the VCF Exhibit. We greatly appreciate this new level of commitment to and support of the Vintage Computer Festival! VCF 5.0 General Information --------------------------- Vintage Computer Festival 5.0 is scheduled for October 26th and 27th. Doors open at 9:00AM each day, with talks beginning at 10:00AM and running until 2:00PM. The Exhibit and Marketplace is open from 2:00PM until 6:00PM each day. The admission to VCF 5.0 is $10 per person per day for full access to Speakers, the Exhibition and the Marketplace, or $4 per person per day for Exhibition and Marketplace access only. Kids 17 and under are admitted free of charge, and parking is free. VCF 5.0 is being held at the Moffett Training & Conference Center at Moffett Federal Airfield in Mountain View, California. Check the VCF 5.0 website for more details and directions. LODGING The VCF has reserved a room block at the County Inn in Mountain View, California, which is a short drive or walk to Moffett Field. The room rate is $69 per night for single or double occupany. Reservation information as well as information on other area hotels can be found on the VCF 5.0 Lodging page: http://www.vintage.org/2002/main/lodging.php EXHIBITORS If you wanted to an exhibit a computer from your collection, there is still time to register. To register as an exhibitor, please go to: http://www.vintage.org/2002/main/exhibit.php VENDORS The VCF still has vendor booths available. The VCF Marketplace is the best place to sell your old computer items to a targeted market. You may also sell items on consignment and leave the hassle to us. For more information on the VCF Marketplace and consignment sales, please visit: http://www.vintage.org/2002/main/vendor.php VCF 5.0 BBS The VCF has just launched a bulletin board system on the VCF 5.0 website to enable attendees to communicate with each other before the event to arrange trades, form carpools, and discuss the VCF in general. The BBS can be accessed here: http://www.vintage.org/2002/main/bbs.php FOREIGN NATIONALS Foreign nationals can disregard previous announcements about the requirement to register in advance in order to be allowed access to Moffett Federal Airfield. The confusion with the entry procedures was caused by a miscommunication. Foreign nationals will be allowed onto the base just as any United States citizen, but as is required for all persons entering the base, valid identification must be presented at the main gate. We sincerely apologize for the confusion. SPONSORS The Vintage Computer Festival gratefully thanks its sponsors, the Computer History Museum and the Alameda County Computer Resource Center. Computer History Museum http://www.computerhistory.org Alameda County Computer Resource Center http://www.accrc.org VCF 5.0 Special Events ---------------------- We are adding new features to the VCF this year to increase attendee participation. Along with the Nerd Trivia Challenge, the popular quiz game that tests your computer history knowledge, the VCF will feature the Retro-Code vintage computer coding challenge in which attendees will write games on old home computers within a limited time period at the VCF. Information on the Nerd Trivia Challenge can be found here: http://www.vintage.org/2002/main/ntc.php Information about the Retro-Code challenge is here: http://www.vintage.org/2002/main/retrocode.php COMPUTER HISTORY MUSEUM TOURS Tours of the Computer History Museum will be running throughout the exhibition hours of the VCF. Those that have not yet had the opportunity to visit the Computer History Museum's Visible Storage exhibits will certainly want to take advantage of this. For more information about the Computer History Museum, please visit their website at: http://www.computerhistory.org/ DIGIBARN EXCURSION The DigiBarn is a computer museum in a country setting (literally housed in a barn in the Santa Cruz Mountains). Bruce Damer, the curator of the DigiBarn, will be heading the excursion. A caravan will leave the VCF at approximately 2:30pm on Sunday and return before the close of VCF 5.0. More information about the DigiBarn can be found on their website: http://www.digibarn.com/ APL BAY AREA USERS' GROUP MEETING The VCF is hosting a meeting of the APL Bay Area Users' Group (The Northern California SIGAPL of the ACM) at VCF 5.0 in conjunction with the lecture that will be given by Zbigniew Stachniak. Zbigniew will be discussing an early portable personal computer, the MCM/70, which ran APL. The meeting will take place at 3:00pm on Saturday, October 26, in the speaker hall. For more information on the APL BAUG, visit their website: http://www.acm.org/sigapl Stay tuned for more VCF event updates! VCF Open House Update --------------------- The first VCF Open House is still in the works. We had promised to have the VCF Archives ready for display by now but progress has been slower than hoped. Still, progress is being made. Most of the material needed to build out the floor has been acquired. Construction on the floor will begin in October. Once it's complete, artifacts will be selected and exhibits will be assembled throughout the Fall, with an anticipated museum opening sometime in late November or early December. Again, the VCF would like to thank the Alameda County Computer Resource Center for generously providing space for the VCF to store our archives. The Alameda County Computer Resource Center is the largest non-profit computer recycling operation on the west coast of the United States. You may visit them on the web at: http://www.accrc.org/ Better yet, visit them in person and volunteer your time to help put computers into the hands of deserving kids, schools and organizations world-wide. Volunteering details can be found the ACCRC website. Latest Additions to the VCF Archives ------------------------------------ The VCF has continued to acquire new (or rather "old") artifacts since our last update. One of the most exciting is our acquisition of a Digital Computer Controls D-116 minicomputer. The DCC D-116 is roughly a clone of the Data General Nova 830. We have also acquired a Linus WriteTop. The Linus WriteTop was the first pen-based computer, manufactured in 1986. The computer did not meet with much success, mainly because the hand-writing recognition was not perfect (but then, it still isn't 16 years later ;) That wraps it up for this issue of the VCF Gazette! Until next time... Best regards, Sellam Ismail Producer Vintage Computer Festival http://www.vintage.org/ The Vintage Computer Festival is a celebration of computers and their history. The VCF Gazette goes out to anyone who subscribed to the VCF mailing list, and is intended to keep those interested in the VCF informed of the latest VCF events and happenings. The VCF Gazette is guaranteed to be published in a somewhat irregular manner, though we will try to maintain a quarterly schedule. If you would like to be removed from the VCF mailing list, and therefore not receive any more issues of the VCF Gazette, visit the following web page: http://www.vintage.org/remove.php ;) -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *

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Looking for CP/M-86 for Compudata Tulip System I

by f.heite＠hccnet.nl

Hello, Someone out there who has the CP/M-86 software for the Dutch-made Compudata Tulip System I? It's an 8086-machine that is hardly IBM-compatible (as it was introduced before the IBM PC). The BIOS is completely different from IBM-PC-standards. Under Tulip's MS-DOS (which was also available when buying this machine) it has a whopping TPA of about 900 KB, as the video RAM is somewhere at the top of the 1 megabyte memory, and there are no expansion cards with their own BIOSses. The 5,25 inch diskettes could store ca. 800 KB each. Thanks, Freek Heite

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For swap/sale : Digital LAX34-JL

by stefan＠softhome.net

This is a set of special character keys. Probably for the LA34 DECwriter IV. See http://www.mainecoon.com/classiccmp/LAX34/ for the only related pic I could find. 100% new, I only opened the box to see what was in it. Willing to swap or sell it. yours, Stefan.

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What's wrong with this picture?

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

> On a slightly more serious note, does the description mean it's running > OpenStep? > > -- Tony Nope, NeXTStep 3.3. For OPENSTEP you need to be running V4.x. Of course V4.2 was *also* shipped as "Prelude to Rhapsody". Zane

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RK05 or RK07

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Oct 2, 15:09, Ethan Dicks wrote: > --- Pete Turnbull <pete(a)dunnington.u-net.com> wrote: > > The QBus equivalent of an RK11 is an RKV11-D, which is a single quad > > board, controlling up to eight RK05's. They were moderately common on > > larger 11/03 and some 11/23 systems. > > Umm... _my_ RKV11D is a quad-slot box. There's a dual-height card > that sits on the Qbus with a pair of 40-pin cables that go to a > small enclosure that is mostly filled with an RK11D. Another set > of 40-pin cables goes from that to a short dual-height paddle card > that goes in the first drive. > > Is there more than one variant of the RKV11D? No, you're right -- I don't know what I was thinking of there. An RKV11-D is basically an RK11-D with a QBus interface. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Leor Zolman's BDS C Now Public Domain

by r_beaudry＠hotmail.com

Don't know how many of you are on comp.os.cpm, but in case you missed it, Leor Zolman has decided to release the full retail package of BDS C, including *ALL* source code (compiler as well!) to the Public Domain. http://www.bdsoft.com/resources.html#bdsc Check it out! Rich B. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com

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First Indirect Addressing?

by jss＠subatomix.com

Ok, I've got a friend in academia who wants to know: What was the first computer to support indirect addressing? While I expect no definite answer (as if I had asked "what is the first computer" :-), it should be an interesting discussion. -- Jeffrey Sharp

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RK05 or RK07

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Oct 2, 13:55, Chris Muller wrote: > > I've been asked to try to get some data (to CD) from some number of RK05 > and/or RK07 packs. I have an old 11/73 floating around, but I believe the > RK's were only for Unibus, so the drives alone wouldn't help me. My contact > is unaware of the O/S, but I resume its got to be RT or RSX. (?) The QBus equivalent of an RK11 is an RKV11-D, which is a single quad board, controlling up to eight RK05's. They were moderately common on larger 11/03 and some 11/23 systems. The RK06 and RK07 use an RK611 controller, which is a large multi-board unit occupying two system units, usually in an expansion box. There's no QBus equivalent that I know of. Emulex did make QBus boards that emulated an RK611, or more accurately, emulated the whole RK711 subsystem using a QBus SC02 controller and an SMD drive, but you couldn't connect a real RK06/7 to one of those. The OS could be RT or RSX, possibly RSTS or something more unusual like MUMPS. Even 7th Edition Unix has an RK driver. I think RT-11 or RSX-11 would be most likely, though. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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RK05 or RK07

by chris.muller＠mullermedia.com

Hi, I've been asked to try to get some data (to CD) from some number of RK05 and/or RK07 packs. I have an old 11/73 floating around, but I believe the RK's were only for Unibus, so the drives alone wouldn't help me. My contact is unaware of the O/S, but I resume its got to be RT or RSX. (?) Is there anyone in or near NYC that can handle these? If you can get the files to a tape via COPY, I think we can take it from there. Regards, Chris Muller Muller Media Conversions www.mullermedia.com 800-OLD2NEW or 212-3440474

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Searching for eBay seller "Mobybids"

by tony.eros＠machm.org

Has anyone on the list dealt with the eBay seller known as "Mobybids"? He/she recently won a couple of auctions for some old DEC documentation. In particular, a teacher's guide ( I have the workbook, but not this) for the DEC Computer Lab really caught my eye, but I got outbid. I've tried sending a couple of eBay "Question from eBay member" notes to Mobybids, but got no response. I should probably take the hint and just stop trying, but I thought I'd run it by the list anyway, just in case. -- Tony

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Stuff on ebay

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

I see some of the strangest stuff on ebay: ROCKWELL's 6502 (100% 6800 code compatible) Dwight

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First Indirect Addressing?

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

>To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > >Ok, I've got a friend in academia who wants to know: > > What was the first computer to support indirect addressing? > >While I expect no definite answer (as if I had asked "what is the first >computer" :-), it should be an interesting discussion. > >-- >Jeffrey Sharp > > Hi My Nicolet 1080 uses indirect addressing as its primary form of addressing. It was designed in the late 60's sometime. This is the only way to address out of the current page. Dwight

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Great Finds Today at Auction

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

1. hp 25C calculator with case and quick reference guide but no charger. 2. Direct Logic 405 PLC by Koyo with DL440 CPU 22.5K word, I/O base 4 slot, DC input module, and 8 channel analog module. 3. Atari 130XE with a XF551 ext. FD (51/4) for it. 4. Magnavox Color monitor 40 5. Commodore 1084S monitor 6. Vtech The Equalizer laptop in the box with mouse, manual, and ac adapter for it.

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"Food" for my HP 9000/382

by bernd＠kopriva.de

Hi, i'm looking for another challenge for my HP 9000/382 ... Currently, i've installed NetBSD, but there seems to be a Pascal Operationg environment available ? Does anyone know some details ? Where can i get it ? Which other operating systems are available for that machine ? Thanks Bernd Bernd Kopriva Phone: ++49-7195-179452 Weilerstr. 24 E-Mail: bernd(a)kopriva.de D-71397 Leutenbach Germany

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Attention 1802 fans...

by glenslick＠hotmail.com

One thing I really regret is that I bought all of the parts to build an Elf back when the Popular Electronics articles came out (I was only twelve at the time) but never actually finished building it because someone my father worked with gave me a KIM-1 that he no longer needed and it was more interesting to use an already working computer than try to build one. I kept all of the parts and the articles until I returned home from college and then, gasp, threw them out. I really wish I still had them now so I could build the Elf that I never finished. I guess I should just acquire some 1802 chips and finish the job now. I also regret trading in the KIM-1 along with a 8KB ram board and a SWTP terminal that I built from a kit a year or two later for credit toward an Apple II+ when they were brand new. The mistakes of youth... -Glen >From: "Jim Kearney" <jim(a)jkearney.com> >Reply-To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org >To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> >Subject: Re: Attention 1802 fans... >Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 11:05:14 -0400 > > >I recently built an Elf, BTW: http://www.jkearney.com/elf. It's not going >into space anytime soon. > >Jim > _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com

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HP 7980S scsi 9-track

by fmc＠reanimators.org

"Fred N. van Kempen" <Fred.van.Kempen(a)microwalt.nl> wrote: > Does anyone have info on this beastie? I'm trying to convince it to be > nice to me and lock itself to 1600bpi, but it doesn't wanna play... :( CONF 46 -Frank McConnell

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microdata 9000

by aek＠spies.com

the person auctioning the microdata on ebay forwarded a picture to me, which i've put up at www.spies.com/aek/microdata it's a model 9000 with a cipher 880 the auction is http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2057885211

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For swap : Philips NMS 8245

by stefan＠softhome.net

Hi, I have here for swap a Philips NMS 8245 MSX2 system. Willing to swap for almost anything vintage computer related. Stefan.

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DEC 3000 300 PSU

by luser＠xtra.co.nz

Hi all, I'm in need of details on the DEC 3000 300 power supply. I've been give one that has none. The cost of getting a suitable PSU from Compaq USA to NZ is more than I make in a week. I'd like to try my hand at building one. Cheers.

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11/44 rescue complete

by jpl15＠panix.com

A rescue not without it's glitches and travails - from the fact that it took somewhere plus-or-minus a year to get the equipment released from the Large Company where it had been mothballed - only the dedication of it's former sysop kept it from the Dumpster of Death, to several hurdles that had to be danced around in actually effecting rescue process. Thanks to Sellam for orginally brining it to my attention. Thanks to Marvin who, on very short notice, drove over 400 miles round trip to pick up the System, and whose van subsequently broke down and required towing to a service center, with the computers and software and manuals still loaded. Thanks also to two non-listmembers who went out of thier way to help us - one of whom worked for the aforementioned service center, where the Poor Van got locked inside for the evening, even though Marv requested that it be left out so we could transload it... I now have 2 11/44s set up as mirrored systems - if one failed the other could be switched over 'easily' - 2 SCSI HDs of unknown capacity (they're full-height and look like Seagates from the front - 1 RL02 - and an 11/23 used as a serial line concentrator. The system runs RSX-11M. A Blue Wall came with it, and about 20 diskpacks. Perhaps this coming weekend I will find the time to power it up and see how it's journey of years of storage and a thousand miles in vans and pickup trucks has treated it. Here's hoping it's still Happy!! Cheers and thanks to all who helped! John

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CPMUG Disk

by RCini＠congressfinancial.com

Hello, all: I'm preparing another release of the Altair32 Emulator and I wanted to start building different program diskettes. I remember sometime in the past someone on the list provided me with a file listing from the old CPMUG Archive and also provided a few ZIP files >from the archive. Unfortunately, I can't find that person's email address. If someone has this archive (or a pointer to it), please contact me off-list. Thanks. Rich

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new list member..

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

>From: Joe <rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com> > >At 12:28 PM 10/1/02 +0200, JD wrote: >>Hi Everyone >> >>I am new to this mailing list & thought a quick few lines as introductory would be ok. >> >>I'm a 23yo South African male Systems Developer (Read: microsoft monkey). >> >>Recently I acquired a lot of old computer systems and since then I have been collecting everything I can find that pre dates the general PC era. >> >>I will post a URL with a complete listing of all my current goods but here's a few I thought i'd mention seeing as there is very little about these on the internet: >>Intel Prompt 80, MDS-800 & ICE. > > Cool! which ICE unit do you have? I have an Intel MDS-800 with ICE-80, an Intel MDS-888 with an ICE-80, an Intel MDS-235 with hard drive with iCE-85 and ICE-86 and an Intel 320 system. I'm also storing another MDS-225 for a friend of mine. Dwight Elvey and Dave Mabry are also on this list and both have Intel systems and we all use them regularly. > > > > I also have various atari/commodore/hp/epson/sharp/ncr computers & handhelds. >> >>As far as i know i have one of the only few surviving Multitech Microproffessor II (MPR II) machines which is a slightly modified clone of the original apple 2 & apparently the first apple clone to be shipped out of taiwan. >> >>Back to the intel stuff, who can help me learn to use the MDS & Prompt 80 machines? Programming on a IC level has always been something I've been wanting to get into but alas no newbie resources are readily availible.. is the Prompt 80 ok for this purpose? > > A prompt 80? I've never seen one. I've seen a few Prompt 48s but never managed to buy one. I assume that it's for the 8080 CPU.? I suspect the Prompt Hi Prompt48 is for the 8048/49/35 parts. I don't have one of these but I do have a Prompt 2920. Dwight 80 wil be fine, especailly when used with the MDS-800 and ICE-80. > > Joe (located in central Florida) > > >> >>reg >>jD >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >

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Latest aquisition: DEC 3000-300

by Fred.van.Kempen＠microwalt.nl

We call it "the chevron" here.. :) --fred > -----Original Message----- > From: Huw Davies [mailto:Huw.Davies@kerberos.davies.net.au] > Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 2:40 AM > To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: Latest aquisition: DEC 3000-300 > > > At 03:29 PM 1/10/2002 -0500, Eric Dittman wrote: > > > to the "lazy sergant" prompt (>>>). It has 112MB of RAM > and a 100MHz > > > >I've always called (and heard others call) the prompt the > "dead sergeant". > > I always refer to it as the "triple arrow" prompt. I must > have got this > from either the > local Digital engineer or possibly off comp.os.vms after we > installed our > first alpha > in 1992. > > > Huw Davies | e-mail: Huw.Davies(a)kerberos.davies.net.au > | "If God had wanted soccer played in the > | air, the sky would be painted green" > >

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Latest aquisition: DEC 3000-300

by dittman＠dittman.net

> to the "lazy sergant" prompt (>>>). It has 112MB of RAM and a 100MHz I've always called (and heard others call) the prompt the "dead sergeant". -- Eric Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net Check out the DEC Enthusiasts Club at http://www.dittman.net/

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IBM PC 5150 and 720KB Floppy Drive

by robert_little_2000＠yahoo.com

Got a question... I have just received an original IBM PC; actually, 2 of them (one had to be parted out). I still haven't checked the BIOS date, but the machine does have an origianl Intel 8088 and the power supply appears to be the original design. Here is the crux of the problem... I want to refit the machine with a 720 KB 3 1/2" drive. This was a fairly easy mod that we used to perform on XT's, but it seems to have problems finding the drive. Anybody out there have any experience with this? Robert __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com

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Altair-what do I do first

by kapteynr＠cboe.com

Good move -- don't plug it in yet. The biggest danger is that the electrolytic capacitors have depolarized. In that case, they could heat up and explode when you turn it it on. Search Google for "reforming electrolytic capacitors" and you get a lot of links. In any case, detach everything from the power supply and check it out first. Unfortunately, Altairs have no connectors for this, so you will have to desolder the wires. Some suggest powering it up slowly on a variable transformer, but I have not tried that. After checking out the power supply voltages, unplug all of the cards and power up the front panel only. Then do the same for the CPU, etc. -----Original Message----- From: cctalk-admin(a)classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-admin@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Ron Hudson Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 8:51 AM To: Classic Computers Subject: Altair-what do I do first I have just been offered an altair computer, it's been sitting in the back of a garage, unused for some time. I don't want to just plug it in and power it up right away do I ? Inspect -- what am I looking for? Clean -- best method? It is described as "not having switches or blinking lights", having floppy disks, having been used for somthing to do with ham radio. This is in advance of actually getting the computer,

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Altair-what do I do first

by bshannon＠tiac.net

Thanks for catching my typo Joe. The MTBF (mean time between failures) is greatly REDUCED by unsoldering chips, often very dramatically so. Ever notice the soldering specifications for TTL devices, like 300 degrees C for not more than 10 seconds? This limitation is given for the parts to meet their rated MTBF, not because 300 degrees C for 11 seconds will destroy the parts right away. Resolder the parts, and you may be throwing away well over half their service life. Clearly not a professional way to restore a machine. For some repairs, we have no other option, but melting solder is a last resort. Joe wrote: >At 10:38 PM 9/28/02 -0400, you wrote: > > >>If you think this does the least dammage, your grossly in error. As a >>test engineer, I can direct you to any number >>of volumes that will show you the dramatic increase in MTBF >> > > I think you mean dramatic DECREASE in MTBF. But I doubt many people on this list even truely understand what MTBF is. I worked in reliablility, logisitics and maintainablity so I'm prpobably one of the few that would catch this. > > Joe > > > > > > for > >>resoldered parts. This is known, for-sure dammage, not some risk of >>dammage from a theoretical regulator failure. >> >>Care to defend this position? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >

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new list member..

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

At 12:28 PM 10/1/02 +0200, JD wrote: >Hi Everyone > >I am new to this mailing list & thought a quick few lines as introductory would be ok. > >I'm a 23yo South African male Systems Developer (Read: microsoft monkey). > >Recently I acquired a lot of old computer systems and since then I have been collecting everything I can find that pre dates the general PC era. > >I will post a URL with a complete listing of all my current goods but here's a few I thought i'd mention seeing as there is very little about these on the internet: >Intel Prompt 80, MDS-800 & ICE. Cool! which ICE unit do you have? I have an Intel MDS-800 with ICE-80, an Intel MDS-888 with an ICE-80, an Intel MDS-235 with hard drive with iCE-85 and ICE-86 and an Intel 320 system. I'm also storing another MDS-225 for a friend of mine. Dwight Elvey and Dave Mabry are also on this list and both have Intel systems and we all use them regularly. I also have various atari/commodore/hp/epson/sharp/ncr computers & handhelds. > >As far as i know i have one of the only few surviving Multitech Microproffessor II (MPR II) machines which is a slightly modified clone of the original apple 2 & apparently the first apple clone to be shipped out of taiwan. > >Back to the intel stuff, who can help me learn to use the MDS & Prompt 80 machines? Programming on a IC level has always been something I've been wanting to get into but alas no newbie resources are readily availible.. is the Prompt 80 ok for this purpose? A prompt 80? I've never seen one. I've seen a few Prompt 48s but never managed to buy one. I assume that it's for the 8080 CPU.? I suspect the Prompt 80 wil be fine, especailly when used with the MDS-800 and ICE-80. Joe (located in central Florida) > >reg >jD > > > > > >

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OT: URL for the list's Tesla fans

by lgwalker＠mts.net

http://www.edm.net/~jwilliams/tesla.html lgwalker(a)mts.net bigwalk_ca(a)yahoo.com

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IBM PC 5150 and 720KB Floppy Drive

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 10/1/2002 8:55:58 AM Eastern Daylight Time, voyager(a)hol.gr writes: << > I have just received an original IBM PC; actually, 2 > of them (one had to be parted out). I still haven't > checked the BIOS date, but the machine does have an > origianl Intel 8088 and the power supply appears to be > the original design. Here is the crux of the > problem... > > I want to refit the machine with a 720 KB 3 1/2" > drive. This was a fairly easy mod that we used to > perform on XT's, but it seems to have problems finding > the drive. Anybody out there have any experience with > this? > > Robert >> Install the drive and start using it. Might need a cable adaptor depending on how old the 3.5 drive is. With a modern version of DOS, it will either work outright or you might need a DRIVEPARM statement to let DOS know it's a 720k.

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new list member..

by jd＠sourcecode.co.za

Hi Everyone I am new to this mailing list & thought a quick few lines as introductory would be ok. I'm a 23yo South African male Systems Developer (Read: microsoft monkey). Recently I acquired a lot of old computer systems and since then I have been collecting everything I can find that pre dates the general PC era. I will post a URL with a complete listing of all my current goods but here's a few I thought i'd mention seeing as there is very little about these on the internet: Intel Prompt 80, MDS-800 & ICE. I also have various atari/commodore/hp/epson/sharp/ncr computers & handhelds. As far as i know i have one of the only few surviving Multitech Microproffessor II (MPR II) machines which is a slightly modified clone of the original apple 2 & apparently the first apple clone to be shipped out of taiwan. Back to the intel stuff, who can help me learn to use the MDS & Prompt 80 machines? Programming on a IC level has always been something I've been wanting to get into but alas no newbie resources are readily availible.. is the Prompt 80 ok for this purpose? reg jD

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Eulogy for Bob Wallace by Dan Gillmor

by vcf＠siconic.com

Dan Gillmor wrote of Bob Wallace in his September 28 column in the San Jose Mercury: Bob Wallace, personal-computer software pioneer, philanthropist and activist, died last week in San Rafael. He had a too-short life, but accomplished more than most. Wallace was 53 when he died, apparently of natural causes, according to the Marin County coroner's preliminary report. He was one of the first Microsoft employees, but left in the early 1980s to start his own company, Quicksoft, which sold a popular word processor, PC-Write. He may be best known for his early contributions to the genre of software that became called "shareware"-- a marketing method in which people would buy diskettes with free-to-try software on them, or download it, and then let them buy it if they liked it. He had qualms about the commercial software industry, and once told the New York Times, "My philosophy is that I want to make a living, not a killing." Wallace worked, in college and afterward, with some of the industry's leading lights. He joined Microsoft in 1978. Wallace's interests ranged beyond the computing world. He was also known among drug-policy reformers, and funded medical and social research about psychedelic drugs. Wallace had many admirers, including his former employers at Microsoft and technology luminaries in Silicon Valley. "I remeber Bob as a gentle soul who was soft-spoken, but creative, persistent and meticulous in his programming and thinking," Microsoft co-founder Paul Allen told the Times this week. Rest in peace. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *

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Free in LA: TK50's - DEC Manuals - Commodore Pet - Dell P120 - Jaz Drives

by elmo＠mminternet.com

Help me with my pre-spring cleaning: I have several DEC Basic+2 manuals available in the small grey binders. About 20 TK50's - mostly VMS 4.0 - 5.0 distributions and updates, plus a couple LICENSE PAKs and a 3780 BSC emulator. A Commodore Pet 8032. A Dell Pentium 120 System (Chassis/CPU/Floppy, small HD, no memory - works.) A large assortment of wall warts, mostly 9 VDC. Several Multitech modem power supplies. Two Okidata low-profile laser printers - one 600, one 300 dpi, with toners and trays. (Recent feeding issues) A pair of 1 G SCSI Jaz drives. Miscellaneous ISA / PCI cards - video, network, sound. Promise ISA EIDE controller with BIOS. All yours for free. Pickup in Santa Monica. I have also a PDP-11/23 available for trade. Regards, Eliot

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PDP-11/93 Schematics

by jhfinepw4z＠compsys.to

A friend of mine has an 11/93 that hangs about every third time the power is cycled. Can anyone help with a set of schematics? Sincerely yours, Jerome Fine -- If you attempted to send a reply and the original e-mail address has been discontinued due a high volume of junk e-mail, then the semi-permanent e-mail address can be obtained by replacing the four characters preceding the 'at' with the four digits of the current year.

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Free 8" floppy drives, near Washington DC

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

>From: classiccmp(a)trailing-edge.com > >Same conditions as the DEC stuff: You pick up only. > >A bunch of Shugart 8" floppy drives, electrically identical to SA801's >but the aluminum castings are slightly wider than a real SA801. (Maybe >these are SA901's? I don't know.) > >E-mail me at "shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com" if interested. > >Tim. > Hi I think that all of the 900 series used 44 pin edge connectors instead of 50 pin. At least the SA925 uses the 44 pin connector. I have at least one of the larger SA800's and it just has a different dash number as I recall ( I used its control board and spindle shaft on another drive that fit the box I had ). Dwight

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Anybody want a TI Linear and Interface Circuits Data Book?

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

First Edition, 1973, semi hard cover. Original owner's name on the outside top of the pages, slight crease in front cover. Paper sticker on front cover. Otherwise in VG conditon. I have two of them and don't need them both. Your's for the price of shipping. Joe

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Altair-what do I do first

by Robert_Feldman＠jdedwards.com

Yes, a great way to remove any socketed chips that are stuck (or soldered-in ones for that matter!) <GD&R> -----Original Message----- From: Bob Shannon [mailto:bshannon@tiac.net] Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 9:50 PM To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: Altair-what do I do first <snip> Using a crowbar is an excellent suggestion really, if your super-concerned about rare chips, <snip>

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Seen this?

by Lee.Davison＠merlincommunications.com

There's at least an Apple ][ in that lot. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2057798506&ssPageName=ADM E:B:SS:US:1 6 hours to go. Lee. ________________________________________________________________________ This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star Internet. The service is powered by MessageLabs. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit: http://www.star.net.uk ________________________________________________________________________

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