- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by Antonio.Carlini＠riverstonenet.com

>The main difference with this box is that it's not as expandable as a >full VAX 6000. The big ones have ample space within them for disk >drives, tape drives, and BI bus card cages. I think the full VAX 6000s >come standard with one, maybe two BI bus card cages. My VAX 6000 is no longer here, so I have to go on memory. Pretty much all there is in a standard 6000 is a row of PSUs at the top, a row with the VAXBI and XMI busses and - right at the bottom - a converter/coditioner that takes the incoming power feed and presents it to the rest of the box. There is a large gap with plenty of air in it. About the only thing you could use it for was a late-breaking internal storage addon. Every 6000 I've seen had external storage (mostly via CI, since that's what big customers were expected to do). Internally it cannot have been much wider that 19" so I would guess that the rack-mount version would be about the same but without the large wad of air :-) >These rackmount boxes only have an XMI bus. I suppose it'd be possible >to hang BI busses off of this with an external box; that's if you needed Is there no space for a VAXBI? My box had an XMI to the right and two VAXBIs to the left (IIRC). >on comp.os.vms say that it's easy to boot this type of system over an >ethernet based VAXcluster. Your disk I/O will be bottlenecked by the >speed of the ethernet. I'm planning on running mine this way initially. I've done this - it works well. Especially nice is botting from an InfoServer for upgrades etc. Antonio arcarlini(a)iee.org

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New VAX 6000 toys.

by CordaAJ＠NSWC.NAVY.MIL

OK, I finally dug out my DEC systems & options catalogs, and found a couple of references to the rack-mount 6000 in the 1990 and 1991 catalogs. These were originally sold as two 19" rack-mountable enclosures, one containing the XMI cardcage, and the other containing a BI cardcage. Both enclosures appear very similar, with the main difference being that the XMI enclosure has a very small front panel on it. The BI enclosure seems to have a cutout on the front panel for a TK70 tape drive and _no_ front panel. The earlier catalogs treat the 2 cardcages as 1 complete system, while the later catalogs refer to the 19" rack BI enclosure as an "option". Not being greatly familiar with the 6000, am I correct in assuming that if you don't have the BI "option" you have not I/O capability whatsoever? (except for possibly ethernet? how about SCSI?) -al- > -----Original Message----- > From: Antonio Carlini [mailto:Antonio.Carlini@riverstonenet.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 5:21 AM > To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: RE: New VAX 6000 toys. > > > > >The main difference with this box is that it's not as expandable as a > >full VAX 6000. The big ones have ample space within them for disk > >drives, tape drives, and BI bus card cages. I think the > full VAX 6000s > >come standard with one, maybe two BI bus card cages. > > My VAX 6000 is no longer here, so I have to go on memory. > Pretty much all > there is in a standard 6000 is a row of PSUs at the top, a > row with the > VAXBI and XMI busses and - right at the bottom - a > converter/coditioner > that takes the incoming power feed and presents it to the > rest of the box. > There is a large gap with plenty of air in it. About the only > thing you could > use it for was a late-breaking internal storage addon. Every 6000 I've > seen had external storage (mostly via CI, since that's what > big customers > were expected to do). > > Internally it cannot have been much wider that 19" so I would > guess that the > rack-mount version would be about the same but without the large wad > of air :-) > > >These rackmount boxes only have an XMI bus. I suppose it'd > be possible > >to hang BI busses off of this with an external box; that's > if you needed > > Is there no space for a VAXBI? My box had an XMI to the right and two > VAXBIs to the left (IIRC). > > >on comp.os.vms say that it's easy to boot this type of system over an > >ethernet based VAXcluster. Your disk I/O will be bottlenecked by the > >speed of the ethernet. I'm planning on running mine this > way initially. > > I've done this - it works well. Especially nice is botting from an > InfoServer for upgrades etc. > > Antonio > arcarlini(a)iee.org >

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Classic Computer Question

by cb＠mythtech.net

>I found my firster, a Minivac601, starting where all I really remembered >was that it was small and that it had a spinning bit. My first was either an Apple II+, or an IBM 5110. Both of which I still have (I don't know if the II+ is the exact same unit as we had many of them and some have been tossed). My only issue is, which was it. When did the 5110 come out? I know the Apple II+ was bought by my brother in 1978 (I had always remembered 1977, but IIRC, the II Plus wasn't released until 78, and I'm sure it was a Plus, not a regular II). So if the 5110 was earlier than 78, I'd have to say it was the first computer I saw and used. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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WANTED: DEC RRD40 or RRD42 CD-ROM

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

What are you offering for them? Joe At 10:54 AM 10/16/02 -0600, you wrote: >Wanted: DEC RRD40 or RRD42 CD-ROM Drive > > >John P. Willis, MCP >Software Engineer/Database Architect >Ariel Technologies >(505) 524-6860 >jwillis(a)arielusa.com > > > > > >Attachment Converted: "C:\EUDORA\Attach\WANTEDDE.htm" >

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WANTED: DEC RRD40 or RRD42 CD-ROM

by jwillis＠arielusa.com

Wanted: DEC RRD40 or RRD42 CD-ROM Drive John P. Willis, MCP Software Engineer/Database Architect Ariel Technologies (505) 524-6860 jwillis(a)arielusa.com

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Quite OT : Im looking for 168pin 3.3v edo 2k refresh dimms - anyone?

by cb＠mythtech.net

>Sorry, I know this is quite off topic but I know a lotta people here >accumulate tons of stuff with time (like me) and there is a good chance some >will have this... > >Looking for these for an older Apple system...32megs or 64megs 3.3v edo 2k >refresh 168pins... > >Will trade for vintage/semi-recent/recent stuff - I have tons : networking, >DEC, Sun, SGI, Apple, 8-16 bit hobby micros etc... - Ask They won't be willing to trade... but www.18004memory.com (Coast to Coast Memory) sells these. I just bought two 64 MB ones (these exact ones) for $23 each. I can't say for sure if they are new, or used (they don't differentiate on their site), but I do know that they test everything right before it is packaged for shipping, so it worked when it left their store. They also stand behind their chips, and will trade out anything that arrives non-functional (or if you bought the wrong chip). -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Osbourne 1 problems

by Robert_Feldman＠jdedwards.com

As I posted on 5/30, Alltronics has an adaptor that looks like what I had for my O1 (which I no longer have). The link is http://www.alltronics.com/computer_miscellaneous.htm and the catalog number is #92C024. they are only $4.95, so you won't be out much if they are not the right one. The description also fits: "Requires +12V (or +5V) and video, vertical drive, horizontal drive signals. Produces RS-170 type composite video output. Fully assembled with 74125 sync regenerator, 3 terminal regulator, 2N2222 transistor. Only 2" square." Bob -----Original Message----- From: Sark [mailto:ian_primus@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 4:42 PM To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: Osbourne 1 problems Oh, also, does anyone have the schematics for the composite adapter, or someplace where I can find one? I have heard rumors of an electronics store on the 'net that still carries them. Thanks! Ian Primus ian_primus(a)yahoo.com On Monday, October 14, 2002, at 05:56 PM, Feldman, Robert wrote: > I have an O1 Tech Ref manual, from which I can send you info that > might be > useful. I'm busy this week, so won't be until next, though. > > One thing to check is the video shunt on the front of the unit. It > takes the > video signals and power from the bottom of the board and passes them > to the > top, where they go to the monitor. If the contacts on the shunt are > oxidized, you could have video problems. > > The pinout of the edge connector is (numbered right to left, odd on > top, > even on bottom): > > (19 ... 1) > (20 ... 2) > > 2 Ground > 4 Brightness High ---> 3 on top > 6 Brightness Low ---> 5 on top > 8 Brightness Arm ---> 7 on top > 10 Ground > 12 Horiz Sync > 14 +12 volts > 16 Video Out > 18 Vert Sync > 20 Ground > > 3 and 7 go to the outsides of a 100K brightness pot, 5 to the wiper of > the > pot. > > Video out and one of the grounds go to a 500 ohm contrast pot. > > Bob > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sark [mailto:ian_primus@yahoo.com] > Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 2:08 PM > To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Osbourne 1 problems > > > I recently accquired an Osbourne 1 computer. I turned it on and it > seemed to work, I was able to boot BASIC off of a floppy and I wrote a > couple little programs, (print hello world, count to ten, and count > forever, stuff like that). The picture on the screen was kinda dark in > spots, and while the computer was counting, it flickered to a very dark > and barely readable, then it went black all together. I tried turning > up the brightness and contrast controls, the only one that makes any > change on the screen is the brightness control. I can see the rasters > when the brightness is up all the way, but the contrast control has no > effect. The computer seems to still work though, I can turn it on, then > hit enter and it will boot from the floppy. Previously, when it was > working, I noticed the screen flicker when the computer accessed the > floppy drive. My guess is that there is something wrong with the power > supply. Does anyone have any ideas? I would really like to get my > Osbourne working again, it's a really cool little computer. > > Thanks! > > Ian Primus > ian_primus(a)yahoo.com >

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New VAX 6000 toys.

by CordaAJ＠NSWC.NAVY.MIL

Yep, I just noticed one on ebay a little bit ago... I'm seriously thinking about it... Are these equivalent to the full-blown 6000 systems that I've seen show up in the past? What are you giving up by going with the rack-mount version? Also, anyone have a guess as to how heavy these are? (UPS shipable?) -al- -acorda(a)1bigred.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian Chase [mailto:vaxzilla@jarai.org] > Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 7:19 PM > To: 'cctalk(a)classiccmp.org' > Subject: New VAX 6000 toys. > > > I've recently acquired two of those rackmount VAX 6000's that > were being > sold on eBay. I paid more than I should've, but given the > nature of the > systems, I'd have gone higher. Though they're still hefty, they are > very small and light in comparison to the full sized VAX 6000's. > They're still built like tanks, but I'm able to move one easily by > myself. Well, at least as long as I don't have to pick it up off the > ground. The other huge plus with these is that they're > already wired up > for single-phase power--no hacks are required. The systems > have Hubbell > Twist-Lock connectors: L6-20 (20A @ 250V). It'll be trivial to hook > these up to household dryer circuits in the US. In their present > configurations, they've each a single 6000-400 CPU, 384MB of > RAM, three > XMI ethernet modules, an XMI FDDI module, and two XMI CI-bus modules. > My employer is planning on tossing out some of their old FDDI > concentrators, so it all works out rather nicely. > > I'm still trying to determine if the XMI card cage is the original XMI > or if it's XMI-2. Looking at the back of it, some of the > metal dividers > in the backplane are stamped with a date in 1991; this is after DEC > started producing the XMI-2 based VAX 6000 systems. If these > do support > the 500 and 600 series CPUs, I'm planning on turning at least one into > the world's smallest VAX 6660. The other will be a VAX 6420 with two > vector processors. MUH HA HAH!!! > > Another interesting thing with these systems is that they've > Intel asset > tags affixed to them. I've often heard it stated that Intel operated > the production control systems at their fabs with VAX/VMS systems. I > don't know if these systems served in that capacity or not, > but the guy > selling them is located only a few miles from Intel's Chandler, AZ > campus where several of Intel's fabs are located. > > As a side note, I'm often disappointed with the packing jobs of the > bulkier gear I buy online. That's not the case with this seller. He > seems to be well equipped for shipping heavy items. The > rackmount unit > was packed in a large box with thick foam surrounding it. The box was > also secured to wooden pallet and wrapped in plastic. It > took me about > half an hour to unpack everything. He really went crazy with the > plastic wrap. > > I believe he has more of these, three have already been put > up on eBay. > I've got my two, so I'm done throwing money at them; I expect > the others > will go for considerably less. > > -brian. >

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freebies in preparation of moving!

by fernande＠internet1.net

-2 DEC fan sleds with fans for BA440 chassis, from R400X DSSI Expansion Chassis -1 power supply for BA440 chassis, from R400X DSSI Expansion Chassis -Procomm Plus for Windows on 3.5" disk -Linear power supply from old Sperry external drive case, 12vdc 2amp, 5vdc 3.5 amp -Kensington System saver for a Mac Plus, SE, etc located in southwest Michigan, but I'll ship at the cost of the new owner. Chad Fernandez Michigan, USA

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by kevin＠hitechstencils.com

Hi Marvin, If you still have these ones ,please contact me .I want to buy some. Kevin. Apollo Keyboard w/ Logitech 3-button Mouse - $5.00 plus shipping for 6 pounds from zip code 93105. Email me if interested.

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Fw: Sign of the times :(

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

> You don't watch much Japanese Animation do you. > It is only the USA that can't draw and needs to > go computer generated 3D. I suspect that software > rather than hardware is the factor here as it seems > all TOP 3D animation uses custom in house software. > A lot of traditional ink and cel style animation > is done on computer but it does not have the > "special effects look" that 3D has,so most people > don't notice it. I watch a lot of Japanese Anime, and trust me, there is a lot of computer generated work in there. While I've not seen much computer generated 3D animation, there is definitly a lot of 2D that is computer generated. On the 3D note, I was rather disappointed when I got the "Lensman" movie on Laserdisc a few months ago. I'd seen it back in '93, and had forgotten that it had a bunch of 3D animation mixed in with the traditional 2D. Simply put, 3D animation, doesn't always age that well! Zane

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Fw: Sign of the times :(

by Fred.van.Kempen＠microwalt.nl

I just emailed the pic to Brian. --fred > -----Original Message----- > From: Sellam Ismail [mailto:foo@siconic.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 3:12 AM > To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: Fw: Sign of the times :( > > > On Tue, 15 Oct 2002, Brian Chase wrote: > > > The url isn't working for me, but it's probably not a > troll. There are > > quite a few large vfx and animation shops out here. I might > be able to > > identify the area if the pic was available. Nearly everyone > in the movie > > business is dumping, or have already dumped, their non-essential SGI > > gear. > > I'd like to see the picture too so I can try to identify the > area (just > for kicks ;) > > Sellam Ismail Vintage > Computer Festival > -------------------------------------------------------------- > ---------------- > International Man of Intrigue and Danger > http://www.vintage.org > > * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *

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Favorite terminal

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

> Jerome Fine replies: > > I presume the LK201 and the LK401 are plug compatible? > > Also, what are the actual differences and why do you prefer > the LK401? Yes, they are compatable/interchangable. I've ended up with a LK201 attached to the VT420 on my PDP-11/73 somehow, but the rest of the VT420's I'm using have LK401's. I prefer the LK401's as they 'feel' better to me. I think the keys are slightly different in shape/angle. I just wish they had the flap that at least some LK201's have to put the piece of cardboard that shows what the function keys are mapped to. Zane

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CP/M-86 (was Re: Heath/Zenith Z-100 Software)

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

>From: "Glen Goodwin" <acme_ent(a)bellsouth.net> > >> From: Will Jennings <xds_sigma7(a)hotmail.com> > >> Hey all, >> I'm trying to get rid of some of the vast quantities of misc. random crud >I >> have piled on every flat surface, and one those items is a stack o' Z-100 > >> software.> > >[snip list of software and *really* generous offer] > >> Will J > >Will, I'd love to take you up on this but for the following two Really Good >Reasons: > >1 -- I've already got the diskettes you mentioned. >2 -- Although I have a lot of MS-DOS software for the Z100, I have no >intention of polluting yet another machine with MS products. > >To the group: as the proud owner of two really pristine Z100s (one with >hard drive), I am amazed at the paucity of CP/M-86 software available for >this system. Most of the CP/M-86 stuff on the 'net is of the "CP/M-86 for >the IBM PC" flavor. > >And *forget* about CP/M-85! It seems as if nobody ever used the 8085 MPU >in the Z100 . . . Why would one have a CP/M-85. There are only a couple of instructions that are different than a 8080. Well written CP/M code shouldn't care what machine it was on, only the processor. Most general purpose CP/M-86 code should run on a Z100 under CP/M-86. What am I missing?? Dwight > >Anybody care to 'splain me why this is? Am I the only person on the planet >who has/had any interest in running CP/M on the Z100?????? To me, running >MS-DOS on a Z100 turns it into just another kinda-PC-clone. > >Later -- > >Glen >0/0 >

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New VAX 6000 toys.

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

>From: "Brian Chase" <vaxzilla(a)jarai.org> > ---snip--- >I'd estimate the weight at somewhere between 150-200lbs. The seller >shipped my stuff FedEx Ground. To ship it from Phoenix to SoCal cost a >little more than $60 with full insurance. I've had very good luck with >FedEx Ground in the past; I'd even say I prefer them to UPS. I'm a >little biased though--my first "sizeable" VAX, a MicroVAX-II in BA123, >was delivered by UPS. I watched in horror as the guy dropped it off the >back of his truck from a height of about 4-5ft right onto the concrete. I wonder if this is done on purpose. I had a EC-1 ( HeathKit analog computer ) shipped by UPS. They wanted me to pick it up at the depo so I did. When the guy brought it out, he says, "Gee, this is a heavy one!" as he dropped it on the counter ( about 1.5 foot drop ). I replied, carefully, not to let my anger show too much, " Yes, it is a rare old piece of vacuum tube gear". He had a funny expression on his face so I'm sure he understood how I felt. The fellow that packed it had no padding at all. Remarkably, the tubes were all OK but the inside chassis had bent a little, breaking some wires. I debated writing a complaint but decided it might cause issues with future deliveries. I've had some bad luck with FedEx as well so I don't think either does as good as they could. Partly, I think it is because the people handling things don't care about the quality of their work. It makes little difference if they do a good or bad job. They get paid the same. Dwight >The VAX was rather badly dented, most all of the plastic bits were >broken, and the plastic top was sheered off its bolts. I was not >amused. Surprisingly, the VAX still ran fine, but it took a lot of >epoxy and dent hammering to make it look presentable. > >-brian. > >

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CP/M-86 (was Re: Heath/Zenith Z-100 Software)

by acme_ent＠bellsouth.net

> From: Will Jennings <xds_sigma7(a)hotmail.com> > Hey all, > I'm trying to get rid of some of the vast quantities of misc. random crud I > have piled on every flat surface, and one those items is a stack o' Z-100 > software.> [snip list of software and *really* generous offer] > Will J Will, I'd love to take you up on this but for the following two Really Good Reasons: 1 -- I've already got the diskettes you mentioned. 2 -- Although I have a lot of MS-DOS software for the Z100, I have no intention of polluting yet another machine with MS products. To the group: as the proud owner of two really pristine Z100s (one with hard drive), I am amazed at the paucity of CP/M-86 software available for this system. Most of the CP/M-86 stuff on the 'net is of the "CP/M-86 for the IBM PC" flavor. And *forget* about CP/M-85! It seems as if nobody ever used the 8085 MPU in the Z100 . . . Anybody care to 'splain me why this is? Am I the only person on the planet who has/had any interest in running CP/M on the Z100?????? To me, running MS-DOS on a Z100 turns it into just another kinda-PC-clone. Later -- Glen 0/0

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Heath/Zenith Z-100 Software

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

Hey all, I'm trying to get rid of some of the vast quantities of misc. random crud I have piled on every flat surface, and one those items is a stack o' Z-100 software. No manuals, but these are genuine original floppets, complete with Heath Zenith Data Systems labels.. I'd prefer someone with a Z-100 getting them, and a small amount of money would rock... Say $10? Disks are: MS-DOS VERSION 3 FOR THE Z-100 PC (Disk I and II) SUPERCALC 3 PROD DISK SUPERCALC 3 UTIL DISK MICROPRO WORDSTAR PROFESSIONAL CORRECTSTAR DICTIONARY rest are more wordstar flops so I'll save myself typing the whole name: PROFESSIONAL OPTIONS WORDSTAR TUTOR DISK I TUTOR DISK II Will J _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com

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Terminal question...

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

Does anyone know if Zentec bought LSI or what? I recently got an ADM-11 and ADM-11plus for free, and they have Zentec Corp. stickers on them... Will J _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx

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Sun SPARCstations 1+ / 2 (one each) - for sale or trade

by Arno_1983＠gmx.de

Hello everybody, my father is cleaning out his office and wants to get rid of two SUN SPARCstations. I had hoped we'd keep them, but he would like to get a moderate sum of money out of them, so he asked me to offer them here... ! We also consider trading some of the stuff off for a working Calcomp ! ! 971 L ethernet interface card (for a CalComp laser printer). ! If possible, we would like to sell them as complete systems as follows, but if nobody wants these, we also consider splitting them up. System 1: System 2: SUN SPARCstation 1+ SUN SPARCstation 2 Framebuffer Framebuffer 21" CAD monitor 21" CAD monitor 4 GB SCSI ext. HDD 4 GB SCSI ext. HDD 660 MB SCSI ext. HDD 660 MB SCSI ext. HDD Type 4 Keyboard Type 4 Keyboard optical mouse + grid pad optical mouse + grid pad all necessary cabling all necessary cabling SCSI terminator SCSI terminator (I do not know how much memory, internal HD, ... they have; NVRAM may have died over time. Nevertheless, they powered up correctly last time) Furthermore, a SCSI DAT streamer in external enclosure has also become available. They are in Germany at present (Nuremberg, northern Bavaria). Taker(s) would have to pay shipping. Please contact me off list & place your offers if you're interested in anything: A r n o _ 1 9 8 3 @ g m x . d e (remove blanks first...) So far by now Arno -- +++ GMX - Mail, Messaging & more http://www.gmx.net +++ NEU: Mit GMX ins Internet. Rund um die Uhr f?r 1 ct/ Min. surfen!

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Sun Sparc ID

by ghldbrd＠ccp.com

I have the possibility to pick up the following: Sun 600-2575-06 : 10" square by about 4" tall. Has drive and a whole lot of memory . . . . Sun Sparc Station 1 Model 147 p/n 608-2217-01 : 15" square by about 3" tall. Guess this is the pizza box model I only looked at both briefly, and not have any detailed info at this time. I can get matching monitors, but don't think there is a keyboard/mouse available. I was wondering if you can power them up w/o keyboard/mouse, just box and monitor to verify basic operation, whether dead or alive. Gary Hildebrand St. Joseph, MO

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More bounties ($$$)

by foo＠siconic.com

I am looking for the following software: Window Master (Structured Systems Group) Concept VP (Scientia) Inview (Graphicon) If you have any of these GUI software packages (early to mid-80s vintage) please contact me directly at <sellam(a)vintage.org>. Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *

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IBM 5120 (was Re: My First S-100 System)

by vassilip＠dsl.cis.upenn.edu

"Scarletdown" <SecretaryBird(a)SoftHome.net> wrote: > I might just build a very minimalist 386 or 486 system from spare parts > I have lying about here, set it up with FreeDOS or MINIX, and make that > the console. [...] Actually the easiest way to build a 386-based terminal is with MSDOS (or DRDOS) and kermit. Kermit supports most serial cards and even some ethernet cards (so you can telnet over TCP/IP). There is even DOS-based software for mouse support (so you can cut & paste text). Kermit or DOS can take care of most input and output conversions so you can talk to almost any system that support telnet or async serial. BTW since most IDE disk have a spin down feature, you can spin down the disk just after you load kermit, so you don't even have to listen to the hard disk. Many systems of that era didn't have PSU fans, so spinning down the disk made the system totally quiet. **vp

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Rise and fall of MS-DOS floppy FORMAT program

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

> Sounds like motivation to keep a bootable DOS5 system around, with both > 3.5" and 5.25" drives.... And don't forget to have an ethernet card, and either a copy of PCTCP, or anotherbootable OS on the system that has a TCP stack. One of these days I'm going to build such a system. I've managed to collect all the parts, and even a nice small PC, I just haven't found the time (or really a place to put it). Zane

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Rise and fall of MS-DOS floppy FORMAT program

by Fred.van.Kempen＠microwalt.nl

> What's to know? Still.. > How available is it? Dunno. Technically, I shouldn't have it, right? Then again, MS dropped DOS quite a while ago, so... pfff... Fair Use for retro-hackers ? :) --f

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Rise and fall of MS-DOS floppy FORMAT program

by Fred.van.Kempen＠microwalt.nl

> This may have been the very first (for me at least) of the by now > innumerable MS Gotchas Dunno about MS-DOS V6.22; I'll look it up in the format.exe source.. (yes, we have the source, and no, we're not gonna fix it ;-) --fred

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Favorite terminal

by ken＠seefried.com

> >Isn't this the commercial version of the Blit? > Yup. > >Does anybody actually have one? > Nope. I last had my hands on one circa 1988. Never seen one on eBay... > >"Ken Seefried" <ken(a)seefried.com> wrote: > My most favorite was the AT&T 5620 with a host running layers. >

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Epson HX-20 repair details

by M.Clemence＠exeter.ac.uk

Hi there, I have a two Epson HX20's (which we use in our reasearch lab - yes still - to control some equipment) one of which has sufferred a failure of the power supply on the main CPU board (details below) and I need to get hold of a schematic if one exists. I beleive that Epson produced a repair guide - does any one know where I might be able to source this information. I have had a plough through the archives to this list and there are some very helpful people out there and maybe if anyone has some experience with this machine and can give me pointers - the following might help ... The batteries and external adaptor are good (new) charging correctly and delivering 4.8 V. However, the power switch has no effect (no LCD, no beeping) The main power rails seem to be off - there is 4.8 v at one test point 0 at another an 2.8v scattered around the board. There seems to be no 17 V which I beleive is needed for the LCD. The previous owner reported a burning smell so component failure is suspected, but no obvious signs on the transistors. A previous writor in the archive (Tony Duell) suggests that a volatge should be present on the collector of Q8, this is absent. Thanks in advance Yours Matthew Clemence

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Parts for Teletype ASR35 needed

by stefan＠softhome.net

Hi, I have here a half working Teletype ASR35. I am missing some parts, namely the plastic hood, manuals and some lightbulbs. Also the ASR35 isn't working properly, I am missing half of the keyboard sorta speak, you can type uptil the letter H or so and then if you continue it starts with the A again. So any help with that is also welcome. Thanks!! Stefan.

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HP 9915A (industrial version of HP 85A)

by gil＠vauxelectronics.com

Hi Joe: I subscribed and posted to cctech, but found your response in the cctalk archive. This list is new to me -- do you think I should I subscribe to cctalk instead of cctech? >>>I have three or four 9915s and a keyboard... I don't know what the difference is between an A and a B model... I did make a schematic of my keyboard but I haven't seen it in a while... >>> As I understand it, the 9915A is compatible with the HP-85 (aka HP-85A), while the 9915B is an 85B. IIRC, the 85B has built-in mass-storage and i/o roms, and more ramdisk memory than the 85A. I'd sure appreciate any keyboard info you may run across -- I could program a little pic to convert a serial keyboard. If this keyboard is used with other HP machines, other folks might find an adapter handy too. >>>You need to use the HP composite monitors. IIRC the PN is 82912 and 82913. These are used on the HP 86 and commonly used on the 9000 220 (aka 9920) and are pretty common. >>> >>>There were software developement kits available that let you write programs in assembler and burn them into EPROMs that plugged into a HP-85 type plug-in cartridges (called a Hybrid ROM or something like that) or directly into the 9915. The EPROMs that are in it are probably Matrix and/or I/O ROM IIRC. That seems to be standard in the 9915s that I'm aware of. >>> Yes, I have a programmable-rom-module and assembler rom (but have not tried them yet). A buddy of mine has managed to read 85 roms and burn them into eproms for the prog-rom-module. The original 85 roms seem to be special, and cannot be simply duplicated. I opened up a rom, hoping to find a standard package, but found a chip covered in a blob of epoxy, attached directly to a small board. I opened the rom drawer card, and found that all six sockets are wired in parallel (no individual enable lines to each). Then I looked at the signals connected to the rom card connector (using the serial manual's connector pinout as a reference). The roms have +12V, +6V, and -5V power. There is an 8-bit bi-directional bus, and four non-overlapping 12V clock signals. There is a "load-memory-address" line, a "power-on" line, "read" and "read-control" lines, and even a "write" line (I don't know why write is available on a rom). This all leads me to believe the roms are pretty specialized. Since there are no lines to enable a specific rom socket, I think the 85 must poll for roms using fixed address ranges or something -- this implies that the roms contain address qualification circuitry of some sort. I'm just speculating, but it would make the roms very difficult to duplicate, since this is not a standard address-bus/data-bus (or even a typical multiplexed addr/data bus). Thanks for the info Joe, gil ;----------------------------------------------------------- ; vaux electronics, inc. 480-354-5556 ; http://www.vauxelectronics.com (fax: 480-354-5558) ;-----------------------------------------------------------

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Computer Garage - 'Garage Sale' update

by jimw＠agora.rdrop.com

Quick note: some new items in the 'Garage Sale'! http://www.rdrop.com/~jimw/Gsale -jim --- jimw(a)agora.rdrop.com The Computer Garage - http://www.rdrop.com/~jimw

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Model 100

by Econsulting＠earthlink.net

Is your Radio Shack Model 100 still for sale? How much?

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HP 9915 keyboard (PN 98155)

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

I opened up my keyboard and traced out the circuits again today. I HOPE this is right, I haven't double checked it. Everything in caps is as it appears on the keyboard. Names that are too long are abbreviated and shown in lower case. A list of the abbreviations and their meanings is also shown below. pin 21 20 19 18 17 16 15 14 2 nu kl K1 K2 K3 K4 ^ da 3 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 4 Q W E R T Y U I 5 A S D F G H J K 6 sb Z X C V B N M 13 nu nu -l da -CHAR REP -> <- 12 nu RESET bs nu = - 0 9 11 nu nu nu sca ) ( P O 10 nu nu nu nu el ' ; L 9 nu nu nu RUN PAUSE ? > < Abbreviations: nu = not used da = down arrow (up and down arrow are used to recall previous commands and for editing)(I just noticed that I have this listed twice so there's probably an error there somewhere). k1 = Key Label el = End Line (this is what HP uses for carriage return/Enter) sb = space bar bs = Back Space -l = -Line (erases the entire line) sca = Scratch (erases all memory, just variables, etc depoending on what argument you give it) Notes: The K keys are programable function keys. K5 through K8 are K1 through K4 shifted. You can assign programs or functions to these keys and use the Control input lines to trigger the program or function. The -Char key erases one character at a time. the REP key toggles between the insert and replace modes. There are a few more keys that don't fit into a matrix. Here's a list of them and the two pins that they connect to: Both SHIFT keys are tied together in parallel and connct to pins 18 and 7. There is a 8 Ohm .2Watt speaker inside. It connects to pins 25 and 7. CNTL key connects to pins 23 and 7. CAPS LOCK key connects to pins 24 and 7. I'll try to photograph the keyboard and post the picture tomorrow so that you can see what the layout and key legends and shifted legends are.

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Logic Analyzer pods Re: HP LA Inverse Assemblers for classic microprocessors

by glenslick＠hotmail.com

The HP 10269B/C General Purpose Probe Interface is just a physical interconnect between the pods and various probes. The B version is for the old style HP 1630 pods. The C version is for the HP 1650 all the way through current style pods. I think the 10342B just buffers the HP-IB signals and I think you could use the config and IA files just without the probe. For the RS-232/449 signals it uses a dual UART (I forget which one) plus the Z-80. I assume the Z-80 is there just to configure the UART. Some day I'll dump the eprom on the probe just to see what it actually does. I have a manual and the config and IA files for the 10342B. If there isn't a scanned copy of the manual on the web I should send a copy of the manual to someone who can scan the manual and make it available on the web. I also have a 10314B 80386 proble which mates with a 10269B/C and it has a bunch of active electronics. I don't have config or IA files for it. Does anyone else? Not that I have a real need for it nor do I have any 80386 systems (at least not at the moment.) The HP 10277 might just be a physical interconnect to your own custom interfaces, if I correctly remember what that thing is. -Glen >From: Joe <rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com> >Reply-To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org >To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org >Subject: Logic Analyzer pods Re: HP LA Inverse Assemblers for classic >microprocessors >Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 13:26:25 > > I dug around this morning and found two logic analyzer pods/CPU >adapters. These are boxs that you plug the pod of the logic analyzer pods >directly into and they usually have a cable that plugs into the CPU socket >of the UUT. When using these you don't use the flying wire leads and >grabbers. > > One is the HP 10342B Bus Preprocessor in the HP 10269B General Purpose >Probe Interface. This is for the HP 1630 and 1631 series LAs. This >particular preprocessor is used for monitoring RS-449, RS-232 or HP-IB >busses and acquiring data directly from the bus. You can replace the Bus >Preprocessor with various CPU adapters. I opened both of these up and the >10269 doesn't have any parts in it other than cables, PC boards and various >connectors. However the Bus Preprocessor is full of ICs, including a Z-80 >CPU. > > The other logic analyzer pods/CPU adapter is a HP 10277 and is for the >HP 1610 sereis LAs. It's a single unit and it doesn't have any active parts >in it. However it has connectors for ribbon cables to connect the the test >bewing tested and I don't have the cables so it's POSSIBLE that there may >be some active parts in the cable or something attached to the other end of >it. > > Joe _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com

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Logic Analyzer pods Re: HP LA Inverse Assemblers for classic microprocessors

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

> >At 08:20 PM 10/13/02 -0400, you wrote: >>> Typically I think they came with the matching probe >>> fixtures, but you only have to know what bits to hook for the status word >>in >>> order to use them with the standard probes. >> >>I found some informatyion on the probes tucked into the back of the 16510A >>documentation, >>and this statement may not be correct. It's possible that the probes may >>decode some >>states in hardware, and that the IAs may depend on this decoding. But it's >>not 100% >>clear in the documentation. >> > > I checked the description in the HP catalog and it implies the same thing but it's not clear about it. I've run across a few pods, I should grab one and open it up and see it there's anything inside. Another thing to add to the "To Do" list! > > Joe I dug around this morning and found two logic analyzer pods/CPU adapters. These are boxs that you plug the pod of the logic analyzer pods directly into and they usually have a cable that plugs into the CPU socket of the UUT. When using these you don't use the flying wire leads and grabbers. One is the HP 10342B Bus Preprocessor in the HP 10269B General Purpose Probe Interface. This is for the HP 1630 and 1631 series LAs. This particular preprocessor is used for monitoring RS-449, RS-232 or HP-IB busses and acquiring data directly from the bus. You can replace the Bus Preprocessor with various CPU adapters. I opened both of these up and the 10269 doesn't have any parts in it other than cables, PC boards and various connectors. However the Bus Preprocessor is full of ICs, including a Z-80 CPU. The other logic analyzer pods/CPU adapter is a HP 10277 and is for the HP 1610 sereis LAs. It's a single unit and it doesn't have any active parts in it. However it has connectors for ribbon cables to connect the the test bewing tested and I don't have the cables so it's POSSIBLE that there may be some active parts in the cable or something attached to the other end of it. Joe

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Vintage Scopes

by carlos_murillo＠epm.net.co

At 06:42 PM 10/13/02 -0500, you wrote: >I know for a fact Tektronix no longer supports the 2213 60MHz analog >scopes. -snip- > but when I called >them, GTE would not sell me any parts. They wanted me to send in my >scopes, charge me an extremely high troubleshooting fee, charge me more >for whatever they thought needed to be replaced/repaired, and then charge >me yet again for return shipping. Argh, my main scope is a Tek 2213... though I still use my hp1980 sometimes. >I've since located a source for the special P6120 probes, and am now in >the process of buying them. I have not yet located the Service/Operators >manual(s). I have a photocopy of the operator's manual. At some point I was also looking for the service manual and I found a message in the archives of some high-frequency hobbyist mailing list (which I can't find now, but I have a hard copy). They referred the person who was asking about this to Deane Kidd, W7TYR, ex-TeK employee, and who runs a business supplying manuals for older TeK scopes. The contact info: Deane Kidd, 27270 S.W. Ladd Hill Rd., Sherwood, OR 97140, (503) 625-7363 . carlos. -------------------------------------------------------------- Carlos E. Murillo-Sanchez carlos_murillo(a)nospammers.ieee.org

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TMS3417 (was My First S-100 System)

by glenslick＠hotmail.com

If you want a TMS3417 bad enough any of the parts brokers (e.g. http://www.aecsales.com) should be able to get you some. Usually these places have something like $100 minimum orders. I don't know where you would get a single piece cheap. >From: Ethan Dicks <erd_6502(a)yahoo.com> >Reply-To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org >To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org >Subject: Re: My First S-100 System >Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 08:55:33 -0700 (PDT) > > >--- Eric Smith <eric(a)brouhaha.com> wrote: > > Speaking of Cromemco cards, and only using "standard chips", does anyone > > have a source for the TMS3417, used on the Cromemco Dazzler? Google >only > > turns up a single mention of it, on a German page. "Standard chips" > > aren't necessarily all that easy to find. (But much easier to find than > > gate arrays and other ASICs.) > >Is that some sort of video chip (like a 6845) or a character generator? > >-ethan > > >__________________________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More >http://faith.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com

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My First S-100 System

by SecretaryBird＠SoftHome.net

Hi all! I just discovered this mailing list a couple nights back. Now I have a place to share my cool classic comp acquisitions. :) Anyway, last weekend, when I reported to my squadron for our monthly drill, I was informed that one of our officers had brought in a whole bunch of old computer stuff that I might be interested in (he's moving across country and isn't able to pack it with him.) I had a great time sifting through the massive amount of classics that were stacked at the back of the dining hall, and deciding what I should claim. Since our little apartment here is short on storage space at the moment, I just selected a Cromemco System Two and a Cromemco System Three, as well as a box of various S-100 cards, manuals, and disks (including a complete set of Cromix-Plus and Unix System V floppies.) Had I realized that the thing that looked like a jerry can, which I thought was most likely a power supply of some sort was actually a Cromemco hard drive, I would have taken it along with the Cromemco System One that was sitting in front of it as well. Oh well, live and learn. :/ So the next day, after final roll call, I load up the stuff in the truck of the guy who gave me a ride home, and me and my roommate that afternoon start looking over everything. We were disappointed that the System Three was totally stripped of all cards (though it does have a pair of 8 inch floppy drives). The System Two on the other hand, was a different story. Not only does it have a pair of floppies, but it also has a 21MB hard drive, 3 256K RAM cards, and a couple other cards I can't remember at the moment. Since we are in need of some cash at the moment, we went ahead and put some of the excess stuff (spare manuals, extra cards, and the Fortran 77 and 68000 C packages up for auction. We might also sell off one of the 256K cards that's in the System Two as well. But that isn't the point of this post (not wanting to turn this into a FA posting, y'know). We are looking forward to one day having the room to set up the System Two and actually making her a part of our little home LAN. I'm predicting that this is going to be a long term project, much like restoring a classic car. I suppose the most important thing I need to get for her is some sort of terminal/control console. Fortunately, dumb terminals show up at the thrift stores around here every so often, as well as other interesting bits of old computer parts (I have an IBM 3274 Terminal Controller set up as a TV stand in my room. For only $10, it is a much cooler piece than the usual bits of overpriced furniture Goodwill normally gets...) I'm also wondering if this little honey could be used as a console for the Cromemco system... http://www.oz.net/~otter/gallery/Geek-Console.JPG Sorry. Can't remember what model number it is at the moment. It is way too heavy for me to move by myself so I can see the label on the back. :p As for the System Three; we haven't decided what to do with it yet. It doesn't have enough stuff with it to make it worth the hassles of auctioning (plus, without having an operational car at the moment, shipping would be an enormous logistical challenge.) If someone can come pick it up (Kitsap County, WA), I would be open to some sort of reasonable buy or preferably trade offer; especially if I could trade it for a Commodore PET (been wanting one of those ever since I saw one back in the old days on an episode of Buck Rogers, and later in the background in Kirk's apartment in Star Trek II: http://www.oz.net/~otter/images/scr-st2-1.JPG Anyway, enough incoherent babbling from me for now. Time for me to catch a bit of sleep. Later! -- Scarletdown P.S. If anyone is interested, I can send off an email to someone at my squadron Monday Morning to find out where that Cromemco System One was donated to.

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Osbourne 1 problems

by ian_primus＠yahoo.com

I recently accquired an Osbourne 1 computer. I turned it on and it seemed to work, I was able to boot BASIC off of a floppy and I wrote a couple little programs, (print hello world, count to ten, and count forever, stuff like that). The picture on the screen was kinda dark in spots, and while the computer was counting, it flickered to a very dark and barely readable, then it went black all together. I tried turning up the brightness and contrast controls, the only one that makes any change on the screen is the brightness control. I can see the rasters when the brightness is up all the way, but the contrast control has no effect. The computer seems to still work though, I can turn it on, then hit enter and it will boot from the floppy. Previously, when it was working, I noticed the screen flicker when the computer accessed the floppy drive. My guess is that there is something wrong with the power supply. Does anyone have any ideas? I would really like to get my Osbourne working again, it's a really cool little computer. Thanks! Ian Primus ian_primus(a)yahoo.com

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Corn Puffs box misinformation

by jfoust＠threedee.com

Dear Topco, I've created a web page to publicize and discuss the horrible misinterpretation of the facts of the history of computing as delivered to thousands of kids on your recent box of Corn Puffs. You can see it at: http://www.threedee.com/jcm/cereal/ I'd like to talk to the person who wrote and designed this box. I'd like to offer to serve as a consultant to help you design more accurate and more entertaining cereal boxes than this. Sincerely, John Foust (920) 674-5200 www.threedee.com/jcm

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Floppies

by cb＠mythtech.net

>Anyone know if 3.5" DSDD (not HD) floppies are still manufactured ? mei-micro sold them at least recently. Although you had to buy them in lots of 500. Don't know if they are new off the line, or just ancient stock sitting in a warehouse. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Altair

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

>From: "Walter Peterson" <walterp(a)cyberstreet.com> > >The A11 light dosn't function due tyo a blown 7405 chip in the front panel. I have had to replace several of these myself on my altair and on my IMSAI. 7406 seems to make a better replacement as it can take higher voltages > > > Hi I've notice these as being a common failure item, as well. I don't think it is the voltage that is killing them. It is more likely a timing overlap issue with other parts driving the bus and stressing these parts. One might consider adding some resistors in series ( small value ) to limit the current when a tristate drive also drives the bus at the same time as the '05 is active ( driving low ). I would suspect that something in the order of 15 ohms would be enough to protect the '05's and still drive a solid '0' onto the bus lines. There is no reason that any voltage issue should cause problems with these parts. Later Dwight

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Parts for Teletype ASR35 needed

by erd_6502＠yahoo.com

Stefan <stefan(a)softhome.net> writes: > I have here a half working Teletype ASR35... I am missing half of the > keyboard sorta speak, you can type uptil the letter H or so and then if > you continue it starts with the A again. > >So any help with that is also welcome. I can't help from personal experience (my ASR-35 from N.J. hasn't made it home yet - it went from The Armory to Canada and should be in Ohio by the end of the month), but I can make the suggestion that it sounds like a dirty contact in the output rotor or a broken/disconnected lever under the keyboard. Looks like you are missing 2**3 in your parallel->serial conversion, but I couldn't guess at what stage. I do not own nor am I expecting any ASR-35 manuals. Perhaps the Greenkeys list mentioned elsewhere might be useful to you for securing a set of docs. I'll have to be hitting them myself when my 35 shows up. I'm certain it's in need of a PM cleaning and lube, and I have *no* idea how to do it at the moment. (The TTY itself still has strapping tape on the carriage and protective film on the cover - except for a test sheet, it looks virtually new. Still needs a lube job, though). -ethan __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com

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Free HP7978 tape drive in London (needs repair)

by ojw＠dircon.co.uk

Time to part with my 7978 9track reel-to-reel drive. Appears to have power supply problem with both motor drive and logic PSU's - fans function on power up but nothing else. Unfortunately I have not had the time/space/expertise to get to grips with repairing this so can't offer much more insight I'm afraid. Free to anyone who can physically remove it from me in Central London (really needs 2-3 people to carry it). Oliver

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Parts for Teletype ASR35 needed

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

>From: Stefan <stefan(a)softhome.net> > >Hi, > >I have here a half working Teletype ASR35. I am missing some parts, namely >the plastic hood, manuals and some lightbulbs. Also the ASR35 isn't >working properly, I am missing half of the keyboard sorta speak, you can >type uptil the letter H or so and then if you continue it starts with the A >again. > >So any help with that is also welcome. > >Thanks!! > >Stefan. > > Hi I've only fiddle with my ASR33. You need to find out what is wrong first. As an example, my ASR33 takes the output of the keyboard and passes that to the distributor at the back of the machine to serialize. The parallel output of the keyboard depends on a bunch of switches that are located at the side of the keyboard. These switches are exposed to all the gunk that usually floats around in a teletype. I'm sure you may find that one of the switches is dirty and just needs cleaning. Until the signal is serialized, the problem can be anywhere >from the switch on the keyboard to the brush on the distributor. This includes the connectors. Some tracing with an ohm meter ( power off ) will most likely find the problem. Dwight

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Altair

by walterp＠cyberstreet.com

The A11 light dosn't function due tyo a blown 7405 chip in the front panel. I have had to replace several of these myself on my altair and on my IMSAI. 7406 seems to make a better replacement as it can take higher voltages

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Amiga development (was: uVAX II Memory Board)

by maciver＠worldpath.net

FWIW, The GA-16/220 is a computer that is used in the Excellon CNC-4 , CNC-5 , and CNC-6 consoles. These consoles controlled the Excellon Drilling/Routing Machines. www.excellon.com for more info.

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Favorite terminal

by ken＠seefried.com

My most favorite was the AT&T 5620 with a host running layers. Even without layers, the 800x1024 page-sized screen was nice. Second would be a Tek 4207...fun graphics. Favorite "normal" terminal would be an amber phospor VT420. Ken

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A quandry....

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

I dunno, I prefer TIFFs, but they have the disadvantage of being honkin' huge.. But at least I can go and in be anal-retentive and edit them to look better than the originals, can't edit pdfs nearly as much... Will J _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com

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Parts for Teletype ASR35 needed

by gil＠vauxelectronics.com

Hi Stefan: You may be interested in the greenkeys teletype email list -- lots of good folks with questions, answers, etc. (I am admin of it). Let me know if you want more info. You could join and ask, or I could forward your message if you'd rather. There is likely someone on greenkeys who can help you. I'm not personally familiar with the 35 (though it's just an ascii version of the baudot 28). The 35 is a heavy-duty machine that you should be able to return to service (as opposed to the 33, which is a crappy design that just wears out). I'd love to see some pics of your 35. There was a guy in NJ last month with two 35 machines on ebay. He could not get $5 for them, and may still have them. I have collected a few teletype machines that I am restoring (not selling): an M15-ksr, an M31-ksr, an M33-asr, an M28-ksr table-top, an M28-ro, an M28-rotr, an M28-td, an M14-td, and an M14-ktr. gil smith At 07:19 PM 10/9/02 +0200, you wrote: >Hi, > >I have here a half working Teletype ASR35. I am missing some parts, namely >the plastic hood, manuals and some lightbulbs. Also the ASR35 isn't >working properly, I am missing half of the keyboard sorta speak, you can >type uptil the letter H or so and then if you continue it starts with the A >again. > >So any help with that is also welcome. > >Thanks!! > >Stefan. > > > ;----------------------------------------------------------- ; vaux electronics, inc. 480-354-5556 ; http://www.vauxelectronics.com (fax: 480-354-5558) ;-----------------------------------------------------------

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Found a NCR system 3400 BoatAnchor

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

I would doubt AT&T handles support for a 3400, since it is an MP-RAS machine, and I *know* NCR retained MP-RAS... I'm fairly certain that I saw System 3400 docs on NCRs website when I was looking for Tower manuals.. Will J _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com

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SIPPs

by luser＠xtra.co.nz

I recall someone asking about SIPPs the other day. Was it on this list ? I found 3x 30 pin SIMM -> SIPP converters in my junk box if that is out any help.

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small FreeBSD (was Re: IBM 5120 (was Re: My First S-100 System))

by fmc＠reanimators.org

"Scarletdown" <SecretaryBird(a)softhome.net> wrote: > Yeah. I discovered that shortly after my last post. How about > FreeBSD? Would that work on such a miniscule setup? You may need more than 8MB of RAM to run FreeBSD versions >= 3. 2.2.x will run in 8MB, maybe as little as 4MB (I'm thinking the "5MB" requirement on the CD jewel-box insert had to do with running sysinstall from a RAMdisk filesystem). ObClassicmp: 486/33, 8MB RAM 200MB HD, running FreeBSD 2.2.6-STABLE of 23 Apr 1998 and in use as dial-on-demand PPP router w/NAT. I've had the hardware for >10 years so it must be on topic. There's been some recent discussion on the freebsd-stable mailing list about how to do a small installation, where "small" would appear to be in the 14-83MB range. Take a look at (long URL): <http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&threadm=E17xMiU-000JaP-0…> These folks are mostly discussing version 4.x on later iron with more RAM but comparable disk space (sometimes with flash EEPROM imitating disk). There's also the PicoBSD project whose aim is (or at least used to be) a floppy-sized installation based on FreeBSD. I think you'll find that this is another experience-building project. -Frank McConnell

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Test. Ignore

by spedraja＠ono.com

Thanks. Sergio.

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Looking for Delrina WinFax Pro 4.0 ($$$)

by foo＠siconic.com

I'm looking for a copy of Delrina WinFax Pro 4.0 in the retail box. I am more interested in the box than the software, so just having the software won't do. This is a bounty item, so anyone who can come up with this will get some $$$. Please reply directly to me at <sellam(a)vintage.org>. Thanks! Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *

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HP 9915A (industrial version of HP 85A)

by gil＠vauxelectronics.com

Hi Joe: At 09:37 PM 10/13/02, you wrote: > I'm sending a copy of this reply directly to you as well as replying on the list so I can be sure that you get a copy. Thanks. I subcribed to cctalk, and will dump cctech once it seems like posts are coming through -- looks like I'll miss stuff otherwise. > No, the 85B has more memory (32k vs 16k) than the 85 (aka 85A) but it's standard memory and not RAMDISK memory. The E-Disk ROM MAY be able to convert all or part of that to RAMDISK but it would leave you with no user memory. FWIW The 128k memory cartridge is strickly for RAMDISK memory, it can't be used for regular memory. Ahh. Knew there was something about ramdisk in there. I actually have a 64K expansion card. I opened it up to find a second row of chips not installed, so I suppose I could make it a 128K if ever needed. >Also I'm pretty certain that 85B does not have the I/O and Mass Storage ROMs built-in. The HP-85F has those built in and it looks like an 85B and says 85B on the front but it should have a metal tag on the back that identifies it as an 85F. The 85F were delivered as part of various HP test systems and AFIK they were never listed separately in the HP catalogs. That's probably why few people have heard of them and may be confusing their capabilities with standard 85Bs. The 85F is a nice catch IMO, you gain two ROMs and don't use up any of the ports on the back. I have not heard of an 85F before. I was pulling my 9915A apart, and found six ROM locations under the module card cage. I also just noticed a post >from someone about it too. There is an I/O rom and a 9915-specific rom, and four spare locations. > I'm sure they would, there are quite a few 9915s out there but AFIK I have the only keyboard around. I'll see if I can find the schematic. If I can't I guess I'll have to re-create it. But me every week or two and make sure that I do it else I'm liable to get busy with other projects and forget it. Well, I have been poking around with the keyboard connector, and will post my findings to the list. There are some locations I can't figure out, so your assistance may still be required. > How did your buddy manage to read the HP ROMs? With the Assembler? I'll have to prod him to elaborate on the list -- I'm not sure if he is subscribed yet or not. thanks, gil ;----------------------------------------------------------- ; vaux electronics, inc. 480-354-5556 ; http://www.vauxelectronics.com (fax: 480-354-5558) ;-----------------------------------------------------------

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HP 9915A (industrial version of HP 85A)

by gil＠vauxelectronics.com

Hi vp: >From an old 9915A brochure: >Control Signals Interface: >Connector - 15 pin D-subminiature connector, ...(snip)... So the Control connector provides some handy ways to restart the 9915 remotely. I was thinking it might have been a mini-gpio with some program-readable i/o lines. Oh well. >The 9915 has sockets for two sets of ROMs: The EPROM card you mentioned >(which can accomodate up to 32K using 2516, 2716, or 2732 EPROMs) which >can store user application programs. The second set is a bank of 6 >sockets for HP-85 ROM MODULES (white letters). These are the same modules >that plug into the HP Series 80 ROM drawer (HP 82936A). The default >configuration of the 9915 includes the 00085-15003 I/O ROM and the >98151A Program Development ROM (which contains instructions for controlling >the front panel LEDs and switches). > >The second bank is located under the expansion card cage. You can >get to them by unscrewing one screw in the back of the 9915 (under >the bottom slot) and one on the Operator Interface card. I just found these rom locations as well. Hidden, but saves a rom drawer slot. >With just the I/O ROM even if you get an HP-IB card you will not be able >to use disks, you also need the 00085-15001 Mass Storage ROM for accessing >old-style Amigo drives or the (unobtainable) 00085-15013 EMS ROM that >allows access to the SS-80 drives (e.g. 9122, 9133D/H etc.). DOES ANYONE HAVE AN EMS ROM? It would be nice to get you to dump the binary for possibly putting it into an eprom. John Shadbolt (are you on this list John?) has managed to read an ASM rom, and burn an eprom. It then ran from the Prog-rom-module card in and 85. >Given the EPROM card, it may be easier to make a small ROM emulator board that >allows data to be uploaded via a serial interface. I thought about a little flash pic or something that could emulate the rom signals, but that looked non-trivial. But a configurable 2732 emulator, hmm, that's probably even been done. Problem is, for an 85, it's hard to find the prog-rom card to run an eprom anyway. I've been looking at a prog-rom module here, for possible pcb duplication, but it is stuffed with ttl and a few house-numbered parts. At least it does not have a programmed micro or custom "translator" chip like the serial card. DOES ANYONE HAVE A SCHEMATIC OR OTHER DOCS FOR THE PROGRAMMABLE-ROM-MODULE? >The keyboard is simply an 8 by 10 matrix buffered and debounced, and >provides 76 cross points. The shift, control and caps lock keys are provided >as dedicated lines. Well, I started peeking at the operator interface card in the 9915. First off, it looks the the video connector may just go to the edge connector, so the video may be available (inside) even without the card. The chips connecting to the keyboard and control connectors were house numbers, so I just poked the keyboard connector with a scope, to guess at the matrix i/o lines. Then, after a bit of playing with a couple of jumper wires (and the incorrect but usable tv monitor), I have determined most of the keyboard matrix: 2 3 4 5 6 7/8 9 10 11 12 13 14 down 8 I K M , L O 9 left 15 up 7 U J N . ; P 0 right 16 K4? 6 Y H B / ' ( - RPL 17 K3? 5 T G V LIST? CR? ) = -CHAR 18 K2? 4 R F C RUN PAUSE CONT \ ROLL 19 K1? 3 E D X + -LINE BS LOAD 20 K-LBL 2 W S Z - * ) ( STORE 21 1 Q A SP / ^ 22 SHIFT 23 CTRL 24 CAPS-LK Where the +-*/()^ keys in the bottom right are the numeric pad versions. The numeric pad number keys were not found. Pins 7/8 (connected together inside) are used with lines 22/23/24, but I'm sure don't connect to the rest of the matrix at all. There are still a few unknown keys in the main matrix though. Pin 25 use is unknown (2.5V). Pin 1 is chassis ground. It's too bad this wasn't a parallel interface or something, since an adapter to a serial keyboard would have been easy. I suppose an adapter could use an array of analog-switches to drive the keyboard port, but it might be easier to find an old keyboard with isolated switch contacts, and wire it appropriately. gil ;----------------------------------------------------------- ; vaux electronics, inc. 480-354-5556 ; http://www.vauxelectronics.com (fax: 480-354-5558) ;-----------------------------------------------------------

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HP 9915A (industrial version of HP 85A)

by vassilip＠dsl.cis.upenn.edu

Joe <rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com> wrote: > I don't know what the difference is between an A and a B model. [...] There are two models corresponding to the 85 and the 85B. I am supposed to have an 9915B (that's what it says on the box), but the main PCB says 9915-66512 Rev A. Go figure. If I could power it up I'd know whether its an A or a B by the amount of RAM, but I am still debugging the PSU. > >As for the control connector, I have no idea what that might be used for. > > I don't recall if it's input and output or only input but the 9915 can > detect switch closures and take pre-programmed action.

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FS: HP1000 Computer System

by peter.mate＠verizon.net

Skipped content of type multipart/alternative

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A quandry....

by Antonio.Carlini＠riverstonenet.com

>It all depends on wether you want the data to be still "mostly "there if >something goes wrong with the file. >AFAIK PDF and TIFF will be totally unusable with any one byte missing. >whereas HTML XML and other text based format will still have useable and >recognizable data. The other way of looking at this is that your text/html files could be utter garbage and you would not know any better. Or more likely, one or two characters could get corrupted and produce something that is still readable but incorrect ... The real advantage of text (I think) is that we are still likely to be able to do something with it 100 years from now. The medium is most likely to be the problem (7-track tapes anyone..?) MD5SUM and CDcheck will help detect errors years down the line (I'm assuming that you write stuff to CD and immediately verify against the original sources ... and obviously you keep duplicates of all the really important CDs ...) If getting the stuff back matters, you can try looking at the various tools that can produce "parity files" for you. I think they are geared towards having N files of a set size and adding P parity files to regenerate lost data, but it's a start. Much better to keep a master copy of your CDs somewhere IMHO. Antonio

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Paging: Craig Smith

by tothwolf＠concentric.net

Sorry to bother folks, please contact me off list. I tried the last email address I had, which is ip500(a)home.com, but since @home dumped so many customers, I'm not surprised that address no longer works. -Toth

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Favorite terminal

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Oct 13, 14:12, Megan wrote: > > >Jerome Fine replies: > > > >While I have a number of versions of the source for SST (Super > >Star Trek) which was first written around the same time, I don't > >think I have the FORTRAN IV source for the SST.SAV and > >SST.DOC files (well obviously I do have the source for the > >DOC file since that is the source) that were also released > >around 1979 as well. Those two files are at dbit under games > >for RT-11 unless you want me to e-mail them. > > > >Might you know where the FORTRAN IV source for that > >version might be found. Also, I suspect that the 1979 version > >of SST must have been compiled using V3.0x of RT-11. > > Your message was in response to my message about Spacewar on > a GT40... I wasn't talking about Star Trek or Super Star Trek. > They are entirely different games... > > I've not seen SST for quite a while... I might have a copy > somewhere in my disk archives, but they are not currently > accessible (being in storage)... I'm pretty sure there is > a copy *somewhere* on the net... Jerome, have you looked at the FORTRAN IV version of Star Trek on my page at http://www.dunnington.u-net.com/public/startrek/ ? It's Kay Fisher's (from DEC) translation of Mike Mayfield's program. It's not the same as the version at dbit, though. If that one is a 10x10 grid instead of the classic 8x8, it's probably the UT Super Star Trek released through DECUS. You can probably find it in the DECUS catalogue. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Moving data from PC to any Classic systems - Suggestions, Ideas, anyone?

by vze4cykj＠verizon.net

Hoping as many peoples as there are ideas may respond and all help is appreciated. Off list if possible @ vze4cykj(a)verizon.net If I downloaded files on my PC for old systems (e.g. Apple ][, Amiga, Amstrad, Commodore, PCjr, Sinclair, TRS-80, Texas Instruments TI) (1)Please describe some ways to move files to any of above systems assuming they had hard drives or floppy with correct format. Please note the above are only examples, I mean to include all classic systems excluding most PC XT systems. (2) Please describe any other alternative way different from downloading to PC first (3)Describe software and hardware that will be needed and know-how's. Please be detailed and kind as possible, s I am A novice at this. Regards Stewart

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latest find...

by rschaefe＠gcfn.org

A Mattel Aquarius. It's not something that I would have normally picked up, but it seemed to be reasonalbly complete, CPU, mini expander, printer, tape deck, RAM cart, and a half-dozen carts. Most in original boxes, if not packing. After reading all the "coming soon"'s and "under development"'s, all I'm really missing is a few carts and the 16K RAM cart (the one I've got is 4K). Alas, the thrift store I found it at has succumbed to the parts-are-worth-more-than-the-whole, and each piece was priced seperately. I haven't added up the total yet. :/ Bob

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Favorite terminal At&t/WE Blit

by ken＠seefried.com

> I'd love to have one, never seen a live one - but > it was one of the experimental 68k based terms > brought to you by the makers of Unix(tm) ;) While the BLIT was experimental (and contrary to other posters was 68000-based), it was commercialized as the AT&T 5620. It was the 5620 that was based on a WE processor. We had tons of them at Georgia Tech. The successor terminals (the 630 & 730) switched back to the 68000. Check the FAQ: http://www.bell-labs.com/user/dwd/5620faq.html Ken

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DEC QBus FDDI adapter DEFQA / M7534 docs

by Fred.van.Kempen＠microwalt.nl

okok, tis bedtime again, or so it seems... sorry, all.. --fred > -----Original Message----- > From: Fred N. van Kempen > Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 2:58 AM > To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: RE: DEC QBus FDDI adapter DEFQA / M7534 docs > > > Dave! You are alive! > > -fred > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Dave McGuire [mailto:mcguire@neurotica.com] > > Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2002 2:19 AM > > To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org; port-vax(a)netbsd.org > > Subject: Re: DEC QBus FDDI adapter DEFQA / M7534 docs > > > > > > On Friday, October 11, 2002, at 08:09 PM, Matt Thomas wrote: > > >> I wonder why the DEFZA isn't supported yet? > > > > > > Because no one has had enough interest to do it yet. > > > > > > The DEFZA requires a new driver. The DEFQA can reuse > > > the existing PDQ framework for DEF[TPE]A. > > > > I have a few DEFZAs here that I'd be happy to donate for driver > > hackitude. > > > > -Dave > > > > -- > > Dave McGuire "PC users only know two 'solutions'... > > St. Petersburg, FL reboot and upgrade." -Jonathan Patschke > > > > >

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DEC QBus FDDI adapter DEFQA / M7534 docs

by Fred.van.Kempen＠microwalt.nl

Dave! You are alive! -fred > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave McGuire [mailto:mcguire@neurotica.com] > Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2002 2:19 AM > To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org; port-vax(a)netbsd.org > Subject: Re: DEC QBus FDDI adapter DEFQA / M7534 docs > > > On Friday, October 11, 2002, at 08:09 PM, Matt Thomas wrote: > >> I wonder why the DEFZA isn't supported yet? > > > > Because no one has had enough interest to do it yet. > > > > The DEFZA requires a new driver. The DEFQA can reuse > > the existing PDQ framework for DEF[TPE]A. > > I have a few DEFZAs here that I'd be happy to donate for driver > hackitude. > > -Dave > > -- > Dave McGuire "PC users only know two 'solutions'... > St. Petersburg, FL reboot and upgrade." -Jonathan Patschke > >

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Shameless Plug: More auction stuff

by kyrrin＠bluefeathertech.com

I've just posted some more DEC'ish stuff on E-pay in the 'Other hardware; vintage; other' category (#1247). Included among these is a couple of DHV11 serial mux's, a dual-height extender, four M9047 grant cards, and some TK50 tape controllers. All cheap opening bids, no reserve on anything. Also, as a reminder; My existing auctions for such things as engineering drawings for the PDP11-05S/11-10S, the TU60, and the MF11-U, all end this evening between 18:31 and 18:56 PDT. If interested, pop over to Ebay and use the 'Search by seller' feature to scan for seller ID 'bftbell' (sans quotes, of course). Thanks for putting up with my occasional ads. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Owner & Head Hardware Heavy, Blue Feather Technologies -- http://www.bluefeathertech.com ARS KC7GR (Formerly WD6EOS) since 12-77 -- kyrrin(a)bluefeathertech.com "I'll get a life when someone demonstrates that it would be superior to what I have now..." (Taki Kogoma, aka Gym Z. Quirk)

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Favorite terminal

by r_beaudry＠hotmail.com

>what is THE favorite terminal you folks here use ? >Now I have all this nice VTxxx I ever wanted, but they always >miss the graphics capabilities, I had on my terminals in the office. >(not talking about GUIs, just few nice lines on the screen) I have a very clean H19 terminal, with a graphics board by Northwest Technical Products (I think -- it's at home, and I'm supposed to be working :-)). I even have the manuals for the H19 and the graphics board. The board allows for some nice graphics capabilities, and 132 column text (SWEEEEEEEET in WordStar, though hard on the eyes). I use it as a terminal for my Compupro S-100 system ... Still works just fine, and it's clean and neat. A nice terminal.... Rich B., _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com

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DEC QBus FDDI adapter DEFQA / M7534 docs

by matt＠3am-software.com

At 09:06 PM 10/11/2002, vance(a)neurotica.com wrote: >So DEFZA is different hardware from the other three? The NetBSD/pmax FAQ >seems to indicate otherwise. Maybe it should be changed. > >Peace... Sridhar Yes it is. -- Matt Thomas Internet: matt(a)3am-software.com 3am Software Foundry WWW URL: http://www.3am-software.com/bio/matt/ Cupertino, CA Disclaimer: I avow all knowledge of this message

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Favorite terminal

by dittman＠dittman.net

> The VT420 came in three types B&W, Green, and Amber, personally my favorite > is the Amber, but I think I've got at least one of each type. I've got two > I use all the time, one is the console on my two main servers, the other is > plugged into two ports of a DECserver. If I had the desktop space, I'd > probably have at least a couple more plugged into the decserver. I really like the VT420, and my VT525 is nice, too, but for my emergency console I've got an LT320 plugged in to my DECserver 90M. The LT320 is nice and small, and I've got the table-mounted extension arm so it is out of the way. The LT320 is a third-party plasma terminal. There are MMJ and DB25 serial connectors, and LK201/401-compatible and AT-compatible keyboard connectors. I use an LK401 with mine. -- Eric Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net Check out the DEC Enthusiasts Club at http://www.dittman.net/

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DEC QBus FDDI adapter DEFQA / M7534 docs

by matt＠3am-software.com

At 04:19 PM 10/11/2002, vance(a)neurotica.com wrote: >I wonder why the DEFZA isn't supported yet? Because no one has had enough interest to do it yet. The DEFZA requires a new driver. The DEFQA can reuse the existing PDQ framework for DEF[TPE]A. -- Matt Thomas Internet: matt(a)3am-software.com 3am Software Foundry WWW URL: http://www.3am-software.com/bio/matt/ Cupertino, CA Disclaimer: I avow all knowledge of this message

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DEC QBus FDDI adapter DEFQA / M7534 docs

by jkunz＠unixag-kl.fh-kl.de

Hi. Are there any programming docs for the DEC QBus FDDI adapter DEFQA / M7534 available? I have one of this beasts and a NetBSD driver would be quite nice. This may be not to hard to accomplish, as there is already support for the other PDQ cards (DEF[TEP]A). -- tsch??, Jochen Homepage: http://www.unixag-kl.fh-kl.de/~jkunz/

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Tandy Model 600 Question

by robert_little_2000＠yahoo.com

Just dug a Tandy 600 out of the dungeon up here at the science center, found an appropriate power supply and tried it out. Nada. Zip. Anybody out there have experience with this machine? All I know is that it has internal ni-cads (which are to be clipped out), an SSDD 3 1/2" FD, and looks like a Model 100/102 on steroids. I think the chipset is also unique (80C88 ?). Any thoughts would be appreciated... Robert Little Astronomer Talcott Mountain Science Center Avon, CT __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com

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FYI

by robert＠usce.org

I need 45 as is LK402-a DEC keyboards.........PO Robert M. Campbell U.S. Computer Exchange, Inc. 386 East Maple Troy, MI 48083 Ph. 248 583-9000 Fx. 248 583-9009 robert(a)usce.org

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IBM ThinkPad 750T

by eam＠fernsoft.com

Are you still looking to get rid of this? How much are you asking for it? * IBM ThinkPad 750T (pen-based computer with doc). Comes with power brick, dock and 185mb PCMCIA hard drive. PenWindows 95 installed. // www.fernsoft.com // The place for custom software and graphics, // doing the hard stuff so that you do not have to.

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SCSI drive available

by john_boffemmyer_iv＠boff-net.dhs.org

Well, I happen to have a 5.25" Hull height Seagate 10gig SCSI drive available. It powers, never fully tested it though. Hildebrand was going to take it but it fell through. I also have a 1gig IBM and I think one or two 2gig drives (Maxtor? and Seagates). Anyone need one or specs? Seagate seems to like me lately. Going for shipping only. john_boffemmyer_iv(a)boff-net.dhs.org BTW: nice to see that Sridhar is still with us. =) -John At 12:18 AM 10/9/02, you wrote: >On Wed, 2 Oct 2002, Bruce Lane wrote: > > > Actually, that's a 2.2 gig drive. The 12400N is an early Hawk series, > > very popular with the Sun 'lunchbox' systems. > >As a matter of fact, I'd like to find one of these for my Sparc LX. It >came without a drive (removed because the place that owned it was >paranoid). > >-Toth ---------------------------------------- Founder, Lead Writer, Tech Analyst and Web Designer Boff-Net Technologies http://boff-net.dhs.org/index.html ---------------------------------------

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Parts for Teletype ASR35 needed

by Qstieee＠aol.com

The last time I saw a teletype gainfully employed it was maintained by Western Union service people, even though it was attached to a real-time computer system, not the WU network. So WU may still maintain some service capability.

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Found a NCR system 3400 BoatAnchor

by Qstieee＠aol.com

I believe NCR's PC group went to AT&T, so some support might be there.

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Parts for Teletype ASR35 needed

by gil＠vauxelectronics.com

Hi Stefan: The greenkeys teletype email list averages a few emails a day (not overwhelming). To sign up, you need to go to: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys You can poke through the archives at: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/ You can peek at my incomplete and random tty stuff at: http://www.vauxelectronics.com/gil/tty/ There's also some interface stuff at: http://www.vauxelectronics.com/gil/tty232/ Bill Buzbee wrote a program that lets a tty send/receive email, ftp, and other cool things: http://www.buzbee.net/heavymetal/ http://www.buzbee.net/heavymetal/Intro.htm And yet more tty stuff at http://www.rtty.com and http://www.nadcomm.org later, gil At 08:42 PM 10/9/02 +0200, you wrote: >Yup, I saw them on eBay, but he would only sell me the complete things :( >And since I live in the Netherlands shipping them complete was VERY >expensive. I would have payed for the whole thing but just would have let >him send the smaller parts to me. > >But yes, if you could add me, send me more info, please do! > >Stefan. > >At 11:12 9-10-2002 -0700, you wrote: >>Hi Stefan: >> >>You may be interested in the greenkeys teletype email list -- lots of good >>folks with questions, answers, etc. (I am admin of it). Let me know if you >>want more info. You could join and ask, or I could forward your message if >>you'd rather. There is likely someone on greenkeys who can help you. >> >>I'm not personally familiar with the 35 (though it's just an ascii version >>of the baudot 28). The 35 is a heavy-duty machine that you should be able >>to return to service (as opposed to the 33, which is a crappy design that >>just wears out). I'd love to see some pics of your 35. >> >>There was a guy in NJ last month with two 35 machines on ebay. He could >>not get $5 for them, and may still have them. >> >>I have collected a few teletype machines that I am restoring (not selling): >> an M15-ksr, an M31-ksr, an M33-asr, an M28-ksr table-top, an M28-ro, an >>M28-rotr, an M28-td, an M14-td, and an M14-ktr. >> >> >>gil smith >> >> >>At 07:19 PM 10/9/02 +0200, you wrote: >> >Hi, >> > >> >I have here a half working Teletype ASR35. I am missing some parts, namely >> >the plastic hood, manuals and some lightbulbs. Also the ASR35 isn't >> >working properly, I am missing half of the keyboard sorta speak, you can >> >type uptil the letter H or so and then if you continue it starts with the A >> >again. >> > >> >So any help with that is also welcome. >> > >> >Thanks!! >> > >> >Stefan. >> > >> > >> > >> >>;----------------------------------------------------------- >>; vaux electronics, inc. 480-354-5556 >>; http://www.vauxelectronics.com (fax: 480-354-5558) >>;----------------------------------------------------------- > > > ;----------------------------------------------------------- ; vaux electronics, inc. 480-354-5556 ; http://www.vauxelectronics.com (fax: 480-354-5558) ;-----------------------------------------------------------

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Found a NCR system 3400 BoatAnchor

by sipke＠wxs.nl

Hi, Just PackRatted a NCR 3400 system from a house on the next blok............. It'll be legaly on topic in 2.5 month from now Seems it could run OS2 2.0 and UNIX SRV4 It's got a Exabyte tapestreamer (propably a 8200-type) and a few SCSI HD's It's got RAM-modules with 7 chips each, which seems a rather odd number to me. In 3 Banks of 8 Modules. They look a bit like 30-pin simms .......... Does anyone know if it's value is more than a rather heavy boat-anchor Sipke de Wal ------------------------------------------------- http://xgistor.ath.cx -------------------------------------------------

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10 years

by jismay＠gkar.unixboxen.net

>On Tue, 8 Oct 2002, James Rice wrote: > >> By the strict 10 year rule, Tandy 1000's are on-topic. I bought the >> My 2000 is even older. > >Both the 2000 and 1000 had interesting deviations from the PC "standard". >The 2000 was a "720K" 5.25" disk format. > >IIRC, >The 1000 did not use DMA for disk I/O, somewhat like the PCJr. > >-- >Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin(a)xenosoft.com In stock form the 1000 did not use DMA, but any of the Tandy, and many of the third party memory expansion cards added DMA to the system. Even a dual 360k drive 384k RAM T1000 was a pretty decent machine IMHO. At least it came standard with a printer port. -- To Sleep, Perchance to Dream. For in that sleep of death what dreams may come when we shuffle off this mortal coil must give us pause

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Richard Erlacher?

by foo＠siconic.com

So, does anyone know what ever happend to Richard Erlacher? Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *

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Paperwork to move classiccmps from .ca to .us?

by classiccmp＠crash.com

Why do now what you can put off until the last minute... A gentleman in Canada has some hardware that he's willing to give me (old computers in questionable state). Thing is, neither one of us is sure if there's any paperwork required to bring these boxes over the border. He's even willing to deliver, but not without any necessary paperwork. Can anybody fill me in on what would be required? Would working versus non-working make a difference? It's close to 15 years old if that matters... Thanks, --Steve. smj(a)spamfree.crash.com

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BSD 2.9

by pat＠purdueriots.com

Does anyone know where I could find a distribution of BSD 2.9 that I could install on my PDP-11/23. Also, will it work with just a 'TU58' (or possibly two) - I should hopefully have a working emulator by the end of the week - and 32kW of ram? I don't need it to do much - I'd just like to have something set up to play with a little. Thanks! Pat -- "This fucking university has shown time and time again that it is completely fucking incompetent when it comes to employing technology" -- Anonymous http://dilbert.com/comics/dilbert/archive/images/dilbert2040637020924.gif

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DEC SDI Drives

by vance＠neurotica.com

Does anyone have any DEC RA7X drives they would be willing to let go real cheap? Size doesn't really matter all that much. Peace... Sridhar

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Stuff on ebay

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2057697313 Ok, the price is high but this is surely a one of a kind. Dwight

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Quite OT : Im looking for 168pin 3.3v edo 2k refresh dimms - anyone?

by altertech＠blueyonder.co.uk

At 04:57 PM 10/13/02, you wrote: >The dimm must be 2k refresh. I dont wanna spend a lot on this. It is. >Its for a StarMAX 4000/160. I bought the box ram-less for $10CAN and now I >learn it might not roll OS8 but just 7.5....it might just be thrashed... It will run any OS from 7.5.3 through 9.1. See http://www.lowendmac.com/moto/4000.shtml >this would be my fastest mac in my "home-network" , replacing an old and >slow 6100/60... I know the feeling. Apart from the compact macs in my collection, I've got two powermacs on my lan. A dual 233MHz 604e running 9.1 and a 7300/166 running Yellow Dog Linux. >Think of what you might want (small item) in a trade for this... I don't know. An accelerator or Z80 card for an Apple II? Stuff for a TRS80 model 1 or 100? A NIC for a C64 (joking!)? Most of my stuff is 1980s or there abouts, space is at a premium in London so I don't have room for any of the bigger, older kit. Mail me off list with an offer of whatever you feel is appropriate. Best Regards Rob

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Erikb has been found

by roosmcd＠dds.nl

Hello, Erikb has already been contacted. Thanks! greetings, Michiel

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Fortune 32:16 (was: Amusing book cover)

by fmc＠reanimators.org

John Lawson wrote: > On 13 Oct 2002, Frank McConnell wrote: > > What's so amusing? The cover photograph is of a Fortune 32:16, and > > placed to the left of the title and blurb "An Insider's Advice on How > > You Can Earn Thousands of Extra Dollars". What I found amusing was the placement of a computer made by a company named "Fortune" next to those words. Not because of any particular failings of the company or its hardware. > Actually a similar thing went on with Molecular - which I thought were > quite advanced machines for the time. We sold several of them, got Molecular apparently did build some interesting machines, multiprocessor Z80 systems which were connected to an in-the-box CSMA/CD bus for communication with the computer that had disks attached. Haven't seen one but have heard about it from some folks I work with who used to work for Molecular or with their systems. > It was such a snazzy name: Fortune 32:16. A business name - substantial, > executive - not like having Fruit on your desk... or a business computer > touted by... Charlie Chaplin???? Puh-leeeze! Also a good way for one executive to tell his peers and underlings how much he could blow on a desk ornament. -Frank McConnell

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Contacting erikb@cyberspace.org

by roosmcd＠dds.nl

Hello Erik, Your e-mail address "erikb(a)cyberspace.org" doesn't exist according to my server. Please let me know the correct address, so I can reply. greetings, Michiel ps. (almost) old-computer-related bit: I just got a Jamma-converter for CD-i players complete with snackbar-type quiz game. The questions are in German, but it's still great fun to play; especially since you get credits by just pressing a button instead of throwing money into the machine...

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Favorite terminal

by mtapley＠swri.edu

>From: emanuel stiebler <emu(a)ecubics.com> >what is THE favorite terminal you folks here use ? Textronix 4025. No color, but nice graphics, macros, screen scrollback, contained a Z-80 (or 2?) and 64k RAM back when that was actually an OK computer system. Intuitive graphics language. Very nice physically. Loved it. Can't find one, now... - Mark

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British micros for sale / trade at VCF

by altertech＠blueyonder.co.uk

I thought it might be a nice idea to bring some 8 bit British micros to VCF. Having measured my suitcase & dug out my roll of bubble wrap here's what I reckon I can bring. The machines won't be boxed but I will bring power supplies (220V) for those that won't work off a generic PSU (Dragon, QL). The BBC has a built in PSU, the electrons need 19V and the spectra 9V. I'm open to offers, either money or kit, my aim is more to defray my airfair than to make a profit. Of course, if anyone's looking for anything in particular that's more common in the UK than the USA do let me know. Best regards Rob 3 off Acorn Electrons - working 6 off Sinclair ZX Spectrum 48K rubber keys - 5 working, one with minor keyboard fault (B and N keys) 2 off Sinclair ZX Spectrum + 48K - one fully working, one with some keys not registering 2 off Dragon 32 - working 2 (or possibly 3) off Sinclair QL - all with some keys not registering. 1 off Acorn BBC Micro model B with DFS (floppy disk interface chip - less common) - working. I may be able to bring a drive as well. 1 off Cambridge Z88 Possibly 1 off Oric 1

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Quite OT : Im looking for 168pin 3.3v edo 2k refresh dimms - anyone?

by claudew＠videotron.ca

Hi Sorry, I know this is quite off topic but I know a lotta people here accumulate tons of stuff with time (like me) and there is a good chance some will have this... Looking for these for an older Apple system...32megs or 64megs 3.3v edo 2k refresh 168pins... Will trade for vintage/semi-recent/recent stuff - I have tons : networking, DEC, Sun, SGI, Apple, 8-16 bit hobby micros etc... - Ask Thanks Claude http://computer_collector.tripod.com

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Amusing book cover

by fmc＠reanimators.org

Moonlighting With Your Personal Computer Waxman, Robert J. World Almanac Publications, 1984 ISBN 0-345-31652-5 What's so amusing? The cover photograph is of a Fortune 32:16, and placed to the left of the title and blurb "An Insider's Advice on How You Can Earn Thousands of Extra Dollars". Oh well, I thought it was funny. -Frank McConnell

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Vintage Scopes

by cmcnabb＠4mcnabb.net

Well, after the recent discussion of scopes for vintage computers, I've put together a web page with a couple of pictures of two of my scopes. One is a Kenwood SM-220 station monitor that I use with the Ham Radio stuff. The other is a Tektronix RM-503 dual channel scope that I use for troubleshooting the PDP-8/E and perepherals. In the photo, it is sitting on top of a currently non-operational Sykes 7200 Dual 8" Disk drive. Here is the URL: http://cmcnabb.cc.vt.edu/scopes.html

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Favorite terminal

by mbg＠TheWorld.com

>DEC GT40. That's a PDP11/05 (with real core memory) and a VT11 vector >display board set in a desktop case with a monitor on top and a separate >keyboard). 3 user input devices -- the keyboard, a light pen and the >lights-n-switches panel. I wish I had one... I'm trying to get the hardware I need to at least put a VT11 on an 11/05 or 11/34a so I can get spacewar running... As I mentioned in a prior post, I found the DR11C which has the original spacewar control boxes we used at WPI back in the later 70s. I also found the source for the spacewar we played -- written by a friend of mine who was also a student at WPI... Megan

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DEC stuff wanted..

by Fred.van.Kempen＠microwalt.nl

Hi all, Wheee.. thas been a loong weekend so far, trying to get all the piles of DEC stuff back into cabinets and in complete, working order... Then again, one can whine about that here, as we all do it, sometimes with grumbling wives and annoying kids in the dim background, but hey.. :) Anyway. Does anyone have (part of) the following items I could use to complete the 11/83 (BA123) box: - BA123 front plate saying "PDP-11/83" - mine says "MicroVAX II" - BA123 "front panel" switch set - I have one in, but kinda need two more, if they're around - *external* cable set for the tape unit - see below. I have an Emulex QT13 Pertec controller doing TSV05 emulation- runs well. However, for obvious reasons, the Cipher F880 tape drive is external, in a neat "tabletop" kind of box, even, with the two signal cables coming out and going into the back of the BA123, through one of the (now empty) faceplates. I'd like to replace that with a QT13 cab kit for BA123, and a cable I can plug into the Cipher and then into the cab kit thing, like I have for the (external) TK50 drive connected to my MicroPDP. I _know_ they exist, as I have seen them... just don't know where to look for these gadgets. Also, if anyone in Holland still has a couple of larger ESDI drives (600+ MB, similar to RA82) laying around.. pse contact me off-list.. I need one to emulate a RA82. Thanks, now back to my cabling issues here... :) --fred

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Sun Sparc ID

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Oct 12, 21:00, jkunz(a)unixag-kl.fh-kl.de wrote: > On 11 Oct, Ethan Dicks wrote: > > Uses 30 pin parity memory. May not like 3 chip PC SIMMs. > May depend on the SIMMs / RAM chips and the refresh cycles they need. > My SS1+ was happy with 3 chip SIMMs. So was mine. It does depend on the refresh, though. That's why some older PCs also have trouble with some 3-chip 30-pin SIMMs. One of my friends had that problem. > > Prefers 9 chip SIMMs. Can take 1MB, probably takes 4MB (mine did). > All SPARCstations should be able to take 4 MB SIMMs as the SS1 can take > them. (According to the sun.hardware.FAQ file.) Yes, it does. I had an SS1 and still have an SS1+ that both have 4MB SIMMs, and I've seen an SS2 with 4MB SIMMs. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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New acquisition, and question

by mbg＠TheWorld.com

Okay, it is a PDP-8/L, but I don't remember an -8/L with the kind of paddle switches this one has... I seem to remember them being the rocker kind like on a pdp-8/I Megan

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Sun Sparc ID

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

> Solaris, and the max memory is 64MB except for the SPARC 2 which can > take 128MB with a rare and expensive add-in board. Isn't that 96MB with a rare and expensive add-in board, and 128MB with an EVEN rarer and expensive daughter board for the rare and expensive add-in board. Zane (Sorry, I couldn't resist, but from what I've seen it's true (each of my Sparc 2's has 96MB)).

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