- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by julesrichardsonuk＠yahoo.co.uk

Hi all, It seems that adverts are tolerated on this list, so here goes... :-) The time has unfortunately come to get rid of my Diamond D5 Wordprocessor unit; I've had it for 6 years or so now and not really paid it any attention due to lack of time. Whilst I'd like to keep it, lack of space is forcing sale as I currently need the room for more pressing (car, not computer) projects. The system's complete (dating from around the mid 1970's) including: Base unit itself (complete with twin 8" floppies + keys), Display unit, Keyboard, Printer (Diablo daisywheel, badged as Diamond), User manual, Lots of discs (including system disc master copies and backups) - all of these are in disc boxes so unless bit-rot has set in should be OK. I dumped a few pictures in a directory at: http://www.moosenet.demon.co.uk/temp/diamond (640x480 or thereabouts, directory listing gives the file sizes) I got the system in a non-working condition (along with a pile of Link machines and fileserver unit, which was what I was really interested in) and I'm afraid what with lack of time it's stayed that way. When power is applied it'll try to read from the drives, chatter for a while and then stop, with nothing appearing on the display. I found a hand-drawn schematic for part of the display unit circuitry within the user manual, which suggests that the previous owner may have been pointing a finger at that. However, I've never even had time to do the rudimentary first checks on the machine (cleaning board contacts etc.) so it's possible a good strip-down and clean might even sort it out. (as an aside I seem to recall that the back of the display tube glows when the unit's turned on, which is at least encouraging) I'd like around 30 pounds for it if anyone's interested - hopefully it'll find a good home where someone can restore it to running condition again! I'm located just north of Cambridge, UK. cheers Jules __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page >from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com

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Epson HX-20 repair details - more info

by M.Clemence＠exeter.ac.uk

Thanks to the couple of guys emailing me about this I have measured a few more things after Tony Duell's advice as follows. The three test points on the board are as follows with the machine off labelled Vp 4.8V +5 0V Vc 2.86V The transisitor Q8 has 4.8 V on the emitter but 0.18 Von the collector the +ve side of Capacitor C11 is 2.86 V pin 15 on IC7 is high None of these values change when the machine is switched on. As an aside, for those who maybe wondering why I'm bothering - I work at >from Exeter university medical physics department and I have been asked by one of our research groups to help them with a problem regarding a pair of Epson HX-20's (from about 1983). This group still use this machine to control a piece of equipment which is used as part of a large clinical study in diabetes and there is currently no available replacement. We are in the process of replacing these computers with newer machines (for which we need to replicate and validate that the software performs identically as before which will take some time) but we would like if possible to keep them running in the meantime. If any one would be willing to supply photocopies of the relevant bits of the manual (schematic in particular) I would of course pay towards copying/postage/time. Yours Matthew Clemence

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semi-OT: Replacement OS/2 Install Media

by pat＠purdueriots.com

Now that I have a good machine to try installing OS/2 on (a PS/2 Model 95), it seems that the install disks for my copy of OS/2 Warp 3 have become re-magnitized in a patter to obscure the original data. Does anyone have a copy of OS/2 that they can send me (Teledisk images or dd images or an ISO is just fine with me) or know if I can talk to someone at IBM to get new media to replace the failed old media? Thanks for the help! Pat -- "The Microsoft/IBM FORTRAN was adequate for teaching FORTRAN 77. But the performance was AMAZING! It could actually take longer to run a benchmark like sieve of Erastothanes with compiled FORTRAN than with interpreted BASIC." -- Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) http://dilbert.com/comics/dilbert/archive/images/dilbert2040637020924.gif

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A Momentous Decision

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

>From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh(a)aracnet.com> > >> Just out of curiousity, how many other people here name their classic >> computers (for reasons other than giving them a network address) >> >> -tony > >Personally the only computers I give names to are ones on my network (of >course basically every system I have setup is networked). I've reached the >point though where the name is likely to simply reflect what kind of hardware >the host is. Other times the name might be what it was prior to my getting >it. > > Zane > Hi I have one at work I call "Piece of Sh*t". Does that count as naming? Dwight

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amiga

by garoalexanian＠netscape.net

I found your great web site. Would you please give me some advice? My A4000 with a Cyberscsi I module does not always boot from the floppy or the hard drive (let alone from external hard drives). I'm certain I've got proper end termination and a good cable. When it does not boot from either the hard drive or the floppy it does not even check in with the floppy as it should. I was wondering if you knew the proper voltages on the hard drive power connector. Mine gave 5.0 volt and 11.77 volt. But my A200 give 5.0 and 11.23 (it also boots intermittantly). Also, whether a low density floppy would work in place of the high density it comes with. I have a spare low density in case it is the floppy which is intermittant. THanks for any comments. I bought all these and am having nightmares __________________________________________________________________ The NEW Netscape 7.0 browser is now available. Upgrade now! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/browsers/download.jsp Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/

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Tandy XENIX Disks

by Robert_Feldman＠jdedwards.com

Reminds me of a couple of AT&T 6300's that I used in an exhibit at the Field Museum of Natural History here in Chicago. The keyboards were mounded under 1/2 inch particle board, with just the keypads showing (to run the program). We needed to add an extra instructional label beside the keypad, so the exhibit preparators screened the labels and, to protect them, mounted thin plexiglas over them. To mount the plexi, they drilled 4 holes all the way through the particle board -- and the keyboards that were underneath. Amazingly, neither of the keyboards was destroyed. Bob -----Original Message----- From: ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk [mailto:ard@p850ug1.demon.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 4:21 PM To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: Tandy XENIX Disks <snip> There is one other nasty fault I've seen (at least on the M3, and I suspect the M4 is identical). There's a plastic post moulded into the bottom case of the machine under the keyboard. If something heavy is dropped onto the keyboard, it will cause this post to hit the PCB with enough force to break tracks. While you have the keyboard apart, examine this area of the PCB very carefully. > had that problems with M3 and M4 KB's -tony

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Need help with DSSI/SCSI and an ext CD-ROM

by Fred.van.Kempen＠microwalt.nl

I wrote: > The SCSI connector, however, is NOT usable for what you're doing. > The BA440 box (which is what your cab sounds like) has provisions > for changing its internal (DSSI) bus into a SCSI bus, for example > to be used with the KFQSA controller. That way, you can use SCSI > devices with the VAX by mounting them in the old DSSI rails. > > The VAX does _NOT_ have a SCSI controller by default; unless you > have something like a KFQSA, Dilog or Emulex SCSI-to-Qbus controller, > you can NOT use the RRD43. Make that an KZQSA, obviously... Does anyone have a KFQSA and/or KZQSA they'd be willing to let go for a fair price? Thanks, Fred

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OT Re: Naming Computers (strategy, and WHY)

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

I like what my computer is named (work): VAX11785.. my dad's computer formerly was VAX11780, but that was 2 machines ago.. and now his is faster : ( Will J _________________________________________________________________ Unlimited Internet access -- and 2 months free! Try MSN. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/2monthsfree.asp

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Anyone Care About RT-11

by jhfinepw4z＠compsys.to

In regard to the Freeware CDs for RSX-11 and RT-11 I have now finished the verification tasks that I feel are needed to ensure that I am producing correct images. I have made some copies of the CD images from: ftp://ftp.trailing-edge.com/pub/cd-images/ http://www.classiccmp.org/PDP-11/RT-11/ http://www.classiccmp.org/PDP-11/RSX-11/ They will shortly be sent to those individuals who requested them. Since there might be a number of individuals who can't download at a reasonable speed (even with DSL it takes about 3 hours each at about 30 KBytes per second as compared with about 3 KBytes per second on a dial up line), I am prepared to make additional copies (Tim Shoppa no longer seems to have the time to do so) and make them available at my cost (for media, label, envelope and shipping carton plus postage to the US) and make them available at my cost of about $ 5 / $ 8 / $ 10 for 1 / 2 / 3 CDs. If you prefer to have me use Maxell Black brand CDs which I have been told last about twice as long, the cost will be $ 1 more per CD. Note that all the prices are in US dollars for destinations in the US and postage from Canada. If you are in a different country, the postage will be different. Also note that any funds that I receive will be regarded as a gift. Sincerely yours, Jerome Fine -- If you attempted to send a reply and the original e-mail address has been discontinued due a high volume of junk e-mail, then the semi-permanent e-mail address can be obtained by replacing the four characters preceding the 'at' with the four digits of the current year.

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TLZ-06AA drive equivalent

by rgopalan＠ntaf.cmmacs.ernet.in

Hi, We have a TLZ-06AA 4mm DAT drive on our DEC 3000-500 Alpha server and there is some problem with it. Can someone tell me if there is an equivalent drive for the same? Thanks. Rajagopalan

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Sgi personal Iris

by sales＠sgdp.co.uk

Bill, Do you still have these PI's, if so what is the spec 4D/20 12 or 20Mhz, or 4D/30, 4D35. Any info would help, if gone thanks anyway Thanks & regards David Frith SGD Systems Ltd T: +44 1235 227322 F: +44 1235 766065 Email: sales(a)sgdp.co.uk Web: www.sgdp.co.uk This e-mail message is confidential, intended only for the above named recipient(s) and may contain information that is privileged, attorney work product or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you have received this message in error, or are not the named recipient(s), please immediately notify the sender at +44 1235 227322 and delete this e-mail message from your computer. Thank you. intY has scanned this email for all known viruses (www.inty.com)

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CP/M and NEC PC8001A items available

by dcohoe＠qualitymeats.on.ca

Recently I found someone (thank you Joe!) who had a bunch of Z-80 stuff including Televideo TS803's, Xerox 820-II's etc. I brought quite a lot home, but he still has some items that he values highly. He apparently needs to move soon and is short of cash. The things I got from him were in excellent condition. He's located in western New York state. I've tried to help him out and if necessary, could store stuff for someone. If you email me off-list, I can give you his address. regards, Dan Cohoe Here's what he sent me the other day: I have several items left to sell: 4 NEC PC-8001A computers and a few printers with 4 boxes of assorted hardware and software. Note: Only 3 NEC Monitors (Green). However, to make up for the missing monitor I have bundled with these computers 2 AMDEK (Amber Monitors) (Condition unknown) 1 AMDEK II Color Monitor (that needs minor repair) 1 Apple Monitor III (was working when I last used it. Note: One of the mini disk units seems to work when it wants to... Also, I have about seven boxes of Z80 and CP/M related items: 1) a few TRS-80 Mysteries decoded books 2) Tons of CP/M Books (assembler/database/communications) 3) Kilobaud Magazines 4) Digital Research CP/M Plus manuals 5) Much more I know that one of these boxes contains the original LDOS manual with LDOS related magazines.... (still need to find the box...it's hidden here somewhere...) Brian

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IBM APL for PC help: missing VM232___.AIO

by william.white＠us.ing.com

Are you still in need of this file? I presume you are looking at IBM APL version 1.0. I still use it but the trick is always getting it to work with larger hard drives and Windows. Bill White ING Employee Benefits - Actuarial Telephone: 612-342-3145 FAX: 612-342-7029

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PDP-8L and BA08A : how to connect them ?

by sonnet＠sols.ucl.ac.be

Recently, I saved a DEC PDP-8L (S/N 2209) with a BA08A memory expander box (S/N 587) from being trashed. It is is still pretty good shape. However all the flat cables connecting the two boxes have been cut right where they come out of the boxes. There are 8 double flat cables of 11 conductors between the two boxes. The connectors are still plugged in their original location but there is no hope to match the ends which have been cut. I want to reconstruct the connection cables between the main box and the expander. Before starting the soldering work, I need to know how the connections were before (which "Flipchip" connector card in the main box was paired with which connector in the expander box?). So far, I could not find any information or drawing about the BA08A on the Internet. Could someone help me, who owns a complete PDP-8L system (or technical drawing and maintenance guidebooks) ? I am ready to send a list of the number and location of the "Flipchip" cards on the main board in the two boxes as well as the description and location of the cables. Many thanks, Philippe Sonnet

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HP Series 80 site (for HP-83, HP-85, HP-86, HP-87 and the 9915A and B)

by vassilip＠dsl.cis.upenn.edu

I have placed scanned versions of some of the manuals I have here and I plan to scan the rest as my time allows. The manuals are at: <http://www.series80.org/Manuals/index.html> I have also placed images from all the ROMs I have at: <http://www.series80.org/Images/index.html> Thanks **vp

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Dauphin DTR-1

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

I went to a small local hamfest yesterday and picked up a DTR-1. It's complete and includes all the accessories including the original boxs, papers, SW disks, manuals, PSU, slide off cover, pouch, external floppy. The only thing wrong with it is the battery is dead (no problem, 6 A size NiMH cells) and the hard drive has zillions of errors. I'm attempting to reformat the hard drive but the previous owner says that the drive is bad and needs to be replaced. Does anyone have a HP 40 Mb 1.3 inch KittyHawk drive that you're willing to part with? Or does anyone know if anyone ever came up with a way to install a different drive such as one of the PCMCIA drives or the IBM Microdrive in it? Joe

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decitek reader

by bellmfg＠erols.com

Hello, I don't believe you are still looking but I have manuals for the 262 series. Regards, Bernie

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Lost digests

by mhscc＠canada.com

I didn't realize that my mailbox had filled up, so I missed a few digests; is it possible to retrieve past digests with Mailman as it was with the previous system? mike

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Destructive labelling (was RE: Tandy XENIX Disks)

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Oct 26, 16:14, Tothwolf wrote: > On Sat, 26 Oct 2002, Doc Shipley wrote: > > On Sat, 26 Oct 2002, Sark wrote: > > > > > And they thought people would steal mouse balls WHY? > > > > Because people steal mouse balls. A friend works in a major computer > > chain store, and I used to work for University of Texas, in IT. > It isn't just the larger companies or universities that have a problem > with this either. At one local school where I maintain dozens of older > systems, some years the kids steal the balls out of the mice. The year > before last, some kid even stole 6-8 mice (and switched 4 of them out with > dead junk mice. This year I'm planning to ty-wrap the cables to something > behind the systems so that won't happen again. I sure wish I could find a > lifetime supply of the older 3 button PS/2 Logitech mice. I've found those > things to be nearly indestructible in a school, and the younger kids will > usually find a way to break anything... Talking of breaking, and mouse balls, you might be amused by the story of the blackboard and the mouse ball. See the URL below. Oh, and vuft cricket (mentioned on the same page) is played with the sort of ball you commonly find near a PC and the sort of bat you commonly find in front of the same PC (you know, the one with the clicky top surface). http://www-users.york.ac.uk/~bjmi100/uni%20history/compsci.html -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Fw: VAX 7000/610 available, Cambridge MA USA

by rschaefe＠gcfn.org

----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Stone" <lcs(a)MIT.EDU> To: <port-vax(a)netbsd.org> Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 6:24 PM Subject: VAX 7000/610 available, Cambridge MA USA > A complete VAX 7000/610 system, working when removed from service, > will be junked next week. It includes three 19" rack cabinets; > one looks like the CPU, another has a TZ857 tape drive, TSZ07 (9-track) > tape drive, and a pair of RA92 disks. The third cabinet as three > BA350SB StorageWorks disk array units full of, I think, 2Gb drives. > > You must come get it. It's on a ground-level loading dock right now, so > a truck with a lift gate would be helpful. > > Please reply to me if you're seriously interested. This is a big > machine that draws a lot of power, so be sure you know what you're > getting into. > > -- Larry > > (happily running 1.6 on a VAXstation 4000/60)

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Fw: Free Microvax IIs in San Diego, CA

by rschaefe＠gcfn.org

As seen in c.o.v-- too far for me to drive! Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Young" <bill(a)cox.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec,comp.os.vms,comp.unix.ultrix,comp.sys.vms Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2002 2:27 PM Subject: Free Microvax IIs in San Diego, CA > I have 3 Microvax IIs in the San Diego, California area that need to find > a new home. They are the Q2, Q3, and Q5 models (pedistal/rack mount, > rolling tower like enclosure, and short rack with RA81). Unfortunately I > don't have time to deal with shipping or parting them out. If you are > near the San Diego area and would like to pick them up, please send mail to: > > s h @ . > p o c n > a l o e > m e x t > > Thanks, > Bill Young

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cp/m favorite?

by mtapley＠swri.edu

> gil smith asked: > I am curious what your favorite cp/m system might be. As usual, my favorite is the DEC Rainbow. Z-80 for CP/M, 8088 for CP/M 86-80, both available via anonymous update from ftp.update.uu.se, and you can even run (early) MS-DOS, and move data back and forth between OS's, on the same platform. Color and graphics available, with the right monitors and graphics card; MFM (ST-506 format) hard disk possible, again with the right add-on card. Price is usually right (just take it away), *if* you can find one. The unusual floppy format is an issue, but that's true of many CP/M systems. - Mark

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Destructive labelling (was RE: Tandy XENIX Disks)

by zmerch＠30below.com

Rumor has it that Gene Buckle may have mentioned these words: > > I'm surprised that Intel didn't try to blame the Pentium FDIV bug on > that... > > >This supposedly happened sometime in the late 70's early 80's. As long as the Pentium was on the drawing board... That could've too! (Hell, the Itanic is almost on topic already... ;-) > > It still cracks me up that according to Intel I'm a 48,000-year-old > man... ;-) > >Oh do tell. :) One of Intel's "excuses" before actually acquiescing and replacing the original Pentiums was that "under normal computing use [1], a person would only trigger the bug once every 24,000 years..." I had 2 separate Autocad files that when rendered in 3-D wouldn't render right on a buggy Pentium but would render fine on a non-buggy Pentium or a 486. They weren't anything mongo, either... one was a 3-D rendition of a door canopy, and the other was a simple desk with a couple of shelves. When rendered, the center shelf on the desk jutted out 4 or 5 inches past the desk on the buggy pentium! We couldn't figure out what the Hades was wrong with my drawing file, until I rendered it on my workstation (an old bodged-up 486-33). Granted, it took a very long time to do it [2], but both files rendered fine on that old beast, but rendered wrong on 3 different brand new pentium-based machines. Laterz, Roger "Merch" Merchberger [1] as in, not *trying* to execute special code or computations that would prove the bug exists; like doing that special Calculator routine that would spit out wrong numbers... [2] Set up job, go get lunch (15-20 minutes). See one error, make change, set up job, go do 4-5 services calls... etc... Granted, that was better than rendering on my old 386sx-16 (With Math-Co) - Set up job, go make dinner, eat dinner, watch a couple hours of TV... check job, make one change, set up job, go to bed.... Took me all weekend to do a job that I could have done in 30 minutes on my 700Mhz (dual 350's) Pentium-2 Machine... -- Roger "Merch" Merchberger -- sysadmin, Iceberg Computers zmerch(a)30below.com What do you do when Life gives you lemons, and you don't *like* lemonade?????????????

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Destructive labelling (was RE: Tandy XENIX Disks)

by zmerch＠30below.com

Rumor has it that Gene Buckle may have mentioned these words: > > The Stores in a certain college where I once worked insisted on checking > > every delivery to make sure it was complete. I couldn't undertand why one > > or two ICs in several orders were faulty, until I realised they took them > > all out of the tubes to count them :-( > > >Intel or AMD had a similar problem (huge yield problems) because of an >overzealous clerk counting silicon wafers by hand. By *touching* them. I'm surprised that Intel didn't try to blame the Pentium FDIV bug on that... It still cracks me up that according to Intel I'm a 48,000-year-old man... ;-) Laterz, Roger "Merch" Merchberger -- Roger "Merch" Merchberger -- sysadmin, Iceberg Computers zmerch(a)30below.com What do you do when Life gives you lemons, and you don't *like* lemonade?????????????

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Destructive labelling (was RE: Tandy XENIX Disks)

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Oct 26, 0:12, Tony Duell wrote: > I'm not going to say where it happened, but I remember an incident where > the Stores engraged the ID number onto (delicate) winchester drive HDAs > with a Dremel-like tool. Needless to say the number of bad blocks was > somewhat rediculous! The Stores in a certain college where I once worked insisted on checking every delivery to make sure it was complete. I couldn't undertand why one or two ICs in several orders were faulty, until I realised they took them all out of the tubes to count them :-( -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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hp300 for free in Portland, OR (fwd)

by spc＠conman.org

Someone from another mailing list I'm on is giving away a stack of HP300 equipment. Please contact the person---I'm just passing on the information. -spc Forwarded message: > From port-hp300-owner-spc=conman.org(a)netbsd.org Fri Oct 25 16:48:44 2002 > Delivered-To: port-hp300(a)netbsd.org > Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 13:48:30 -0700 (PDT) > From: Zetan Drableg <gelbardn(a)skylab.org> > To: port-hp300(a)netbsd.org > Subject: hp300 for free in Portland, OR > Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0210251341140.32398-100000(a)magic.skylab.org> > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > Sender: port-hp300-owner(a)netbsd.org > Precedence: list > > Hello friends, > > It is time I get rid of my stack of hp300 equipment. > There's a 380, a 400, and a bunch of lower-than-380 > boards & cases available. I know the 380 & 400 work great. > > These items aren't really shippable because of weight, > so I suppose this only applies to Portland/Seattle/SanFran > areas. > > Gotta get rid of them by the end of the month, so lemme know > quick! > > thanx > nate > > > >

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Need SA400 help

by acme_ent＠bellsouth.net

Can anyone help me with settings on this drive? Specifically, drive select, termination, and pinouts on the power connector (J2) would help. Also, the specimen I have has a power switch on the front which appears to be factory-installed. Is this common for this drive? The photos I found on the 'net don't have a switch . . . TIA, Glen 0/0 If I am not for myself, who will be for me? And if not now, when? -- Pirkei Avot

23 years, 6 months

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Televideo 912 terminal problems

by ian_primus＠yahoo.com

I just got a Televideo 912 from an ebay auction. It seems to work fine, it feeps, and a cursor appears in the upper left. I have tried to connect it to my Linux computer in place of my regular terminal (a DEC VT100),and it didn't work. I noticed that after the terminal had been on for a minute or so, the cursor disapears from the screen, regardless of wether it was connected to the computer or not. Then, if I turn it off and on again, the cursor reappears, and then goes away again. I have tried setting the baud rate, etc. according to the manual I downloaded from vt100.net. Any suggestions? I really want to get this terminal working. Thanks! Ian Primus ian_primus(a)yahoo.com

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[OT?] Supra FaxModem

by Gary.Messick＠itt.com

Hi George, Try: http://www.supra.com/support/diamond/default.asp?menu=support <http://www.supra.com/support/diamond/default.asp?menu=support&submenu=Legac y_Modems> &submenu=Legacy_Modems Gary -----Original Message----- From: Voyager [mailto:voyager@hol.gr] Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 11:24 AM To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org Subject: [OT?] Supra FaxModem Hi, It may sound a bit offtopic, but it's near the 10yrs margin :-) I have an external 28.8 Supra FAX modem, the one with the 2 digit green LED display. It's never flashed, and contains one of the very early firmware versions. I recall that Supra had an extensive file list (including manuals in PDFs) for downloading at supra's site, then moved to Diamond, then nothing, they vanished. Could anybody help me locate a mirror of these files? I need the flash files to upgrade it up to 33.6 version (needs several consecutive flashes) and the AT command set that supported (the non standard commands). Cheers George ************************************ If this email is not intended for you, or you are not responsible for the delivery of this message to the addressee, please note that this message may contain ITT Privileged/Proprietary Information. In such a case, you may not copy or deliver this message to anyone. You should destroy this message and kindly notify the sender by reply email. Information contained in this message that does not relate to the business of ITT is neither endorsed by nor attributable to ITT. ************************************

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modem help

by oliv555＠arrl.net

I have a couple of (almost classic) external modems missing the wall warts. Anyone on list running either of these that can provide the dc voltage/current requirements? Thanks. Sportster 33.6 faxmodem Motorola ModemSurfer 33.6 -nick

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OT Re: Naming Computers (strategy, and WHY)

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

>Questionable taste! > >There, *now* we've hit bottom. :-) Well the taste, according to various women I've talked to, depends somewhat on what you eat.. And some of them like the taste... Heh *puts away shovel after digging past the bottom* Will J _________________________________________________________________ Unlimited Internet access -- and 2 months free! Try MSN. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/2monthsfree.asp

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6 free RA81 disks near philly (for pickup only)

by wonko＠4amlunch.net

Dave McGuire and I had the good fortune of being able to rescue that lot of PDP-11/70 kit from Williamsport, PA. in there was a pile of stuff that none of us really want or need. one of those things is 6 RA81 disks. they are currently arranged in 3 DEC short racks. come take them, they are under a tarp in my driveway. come before it snows. -brian -- "He's hopped up on caffeine. He has the strength of ten mice." -PVP

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ID this Apple II card?

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

Can anyone tell me what this card is for? <http://home.cfl.rr.com/rigdon14/apple/what.jpg>. There's a logo on it but it's so stylized that I can't read it. It looks like "WcAIR". The ribbon cable on it is about four foot long and has a DB-15F connector at the far end. The lage IC on it is an AMI 8038GK. I'm not sure what it is but most of the 8038s that I could find a listing on are octal bus transcievers. I couldn't find a listing for the AMI part so it may be something very different. Most of the ICs have 1984 date codes. Joe

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Pet Question

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

Tried my Pet 2001 series today and no display? If I turn the bright up all the way I can see white broken lines across the screen. The built in cassette players comes on fine. Anyone have clue where to begin? thanks

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SIMH HP2100 Simulator question

by fmc＠reanimators.org

"SP" <spedraja(a)ono.com> wrote: > In http://www.spies.com/~aek/HP/JeffsPaperTapes/ Al isn't subscribed, so asked me to post that this was a private directory and is now gone. -Frank McConnell

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Destructive labelling (was RE: Tandy XENIX Disks)

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

Umm, all I have to say is: Clue-by-four! Kinda reminds me of an engine I saw where the owner had welded a connecting rod back together... Oddly enough, it broke... Stupid people shouldn't breed... Will J _________________________________________________________________ Internet access plans that fit your lifestyle -- join MSN. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp

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6 free RA81 disks near philly (for pickup only)

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

Damnit, why must you be sooo far away? I could use the drives, and certainly I could use the racks (I have a DECDatasystem sans rack as the owner had made the rack into a toolbench) Will J _________________________________________________________________ Unlimited Internet access for only $21.95/month. Try MSN! http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/2monthsfree.asp

23 years, 6 months

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Cool Finds at Auction and Thrifts today

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

I am sure I will be *so* flamed for this, but; Terminal Server is a pretty cool thing, our network ran it for years, glitch-free... Now its 2000... I just wish I could find the EISA config floppy to load NT on my AXP 150s, always wanted NT alpha. Will J _________________________________________________________________ Surf the Web without missing calls! Get MSN Broadband. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/freeactivation.asp

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HP1000 Card Edge Connectors

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

Yeah the 2nd one does rather look like a V.35 cable, often used with CSU/DSUs and similar crud.. Will J _________________________________________________________________ Surf the Web without missing calls! Get MSN Broadband. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/freeactivation.asp

23 years, 6 months

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Cool Finds at Auction and Thrifts today

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

I walked into one of the local thrifts today and spotted a cool looking terminal with Data General label on the front but on the back it said Wyse model WinTerm 2500-TP. It was priced at $21.12 but I was able to get it for $12.21 plus tax. I just hooked up a Compaq KB and mouse to it and it seems to work fine. I went into several menus it has on it and it's setup for 256 colors looks real sharp. I also picked up a Commodore model 2002 Digital/Analog RGB monitor have not tested it yet but it was only $1. Other items today were Wyse 60 and a model 160 have not tested either yet but they also were $1 each; Apple III Business Graphics manual and software for 25 cents; Sharp Pocket Computer carrying case and Printer/Cassette interface model CE-122 but no computer was with it but it was free; another Turbografx16 with 1 game cartridge and power adapter. My strange picks for today were a these hand held game consoles; Space Revenger by Tronica (1983), MARIO'S Cement Factory by Nintendo (1983), Donkey Kong JR. by Nintendo (1982), and Backjack 21 by RADIC:.

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Anybody heard of an Interac 2400?

by erd_6502＠yahoo.com

I have this box, slightly smaller than a mini-tower, with video adjustment pots on the front, a wad of ports on the back (external disk, laser disc ports (serial), touch screen port, and more), several proprietary boards and a 3.5" ST506/ST412 disk inside. It *may* have come with my Sony LPD-1500. I know the Sony came from a pallet lot of interactive kiosks from the "Pharmacy Network" (the disc had 6+ retail drugstore names, and you told the kiosk where it was and it played commercials, interactive games, etc., tuned to your pharmacy). I have found *no* info on Google about it. ISTR it was manufactured right here in Columbus, OH, but I have never heard of it before running across it. Should be from the 1989-1992 timeframe, give or take 3 years. Whether or not it came from the Sony, it seems to be an interactive laser disc controller. Any clues? Thanks, -ethan __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/

23 years, 6 months

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OT: Loss of the Scorpion, was Re: Naming Computers [was: A Momentous Decision]

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

I also recommend going to the Chicago Museum of Science and Industry, and going through the U-boat... My god, what a horrid place to spend any length of time! And I don't want to think about being submerged... I also would recommend going to the HMS Belfast in London, 6" gun WWII light cruiser.. Will J _________________________________________________________________ Choose an Internet access plan right for you -- try MSN! http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp

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HP1000 Card Edge Connectors

by geoffr＠zipcon.net

at 03:12 AM 10/25/02 -0500, you wrote: >I was checking my inventory of unusual cables to see if I had one of >these, and although I couldn't find one, I came across a couple of other >unusual cables. I put up photos and information here: > http://www.techmonkeys.org/~tothwolf/cables/ > >If anyone has an idea what they might be, speak up so I can tag and >inventory them properly... > >-Toth the top one looks like a commodore vic20/c64 to serial cable (If my memory is still working right....) it should be 10 double sided pins IIRC on the 'card edge' end... the bottom one looks like a winchester extender, used for some Routers and NT1's

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HP1000 Card Edge Connectors

by glenslick＠hotmail.com

I checked with one of the HP1000 dealers on the net and was quoted $100 for a 12966A serial cable. I guess that would be either a 12966-60004 or a 12966-60006 for standard 25-pin terminal / modem cables. Now I'm glad I recently picked up an unused 12566C off of eBay complete with the 48-pin connector for just over $20 delivered. When that arrives I should be able to use that connector to build a serial cable for the 12966A. Is there a scan of the 12966A manual (12966-90001) on the net somewhere? I've found a large selection of other HP 1000 manuals, but not one for the 12966A. I did google up a 2 year old message from Frank on this list with card edge signal descriptions so I at least have that. -Glen >From: "Glen Slick" <glenslick(a)hotmail.com> >Reply-To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org >To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org >Subject: Re: HP1000 Card Edge Connectors >Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 11:33:05 -0700 > >I think the necessary connector is a dual row 48 contact 0.156" spacing >card edge connector. I'll have to see if I can find a source. I think >some place like http://www.edac.net would let you specify such a connector, >but actually buying some in low quantities might be a different story. > >-Glen > > >>From: "Will Jennings" <xds_sigma7(a)hotmail.com> >>Reply-To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org >>To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org >>Subject: Re: HP 2647A / F Terminal & HP1000 >>Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 10:52:43 -0600 >> >>Closest I ever came to cables was the hacked-off ends as gold scrap : ( >> >>Will J _________________________________________________________________ Surf the Web without missing calls! Get MSN Broadband. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/freeactivation.asp

23 years, 6 months

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Micom 2000

by wh.sudbrink＠verizon.net

Well, maybe I just scored an ebay bargan. I just "bought-it-now" for $30 plus shipping. A quick web search seems to indicate that this is an early (1975?) 8080 based small business computer. There is an old classiccmp thread with a few general messages about this box. Anybody want to talk about it... what software it runs, etc. Did I just throw $50 away? Bill

23 years, 6 months

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ET-3400 Revision Questions

by patrick＠evocative.com

Guys, I just got an ET-3400 that was partially built. On average, the construction seems to be fairly good. I haven't yet plugged the rascal in, I'm still doing a visual checkout and comparison to instructions and schematics, and trying to find the point or points at which the kit has remaining steps. Mechanically it seems to be in great shape: the labels for the case haven't been applied, and the case is completely unscratched. Soldering is generally good, but flux hasn't been removed so it looks untidy. The keys still have the thin plastic film over their caps, and it's obvious that this unit has had little if any use. Perhaps the builder had a problem and wasn't able to diagnose it, I don't know. I have a manual with schematics, but it's apparent from inspection that the manual refers to an older revision (part numbers different, parts changed or absent, etc.). The main board is part number 85-2712 (-2). Unfortunately, I don't have the x-ray views of the board, and the component side is completely covered with a white plastic mask that carries various labels and graphics, so traces on that side are all but invisible. Before I break out the probe, I've got a couple of questions, for those who may know: The 6800 in the schematic is a 6802 on the live unit, and the 6875 in the schematic is absent altogether, and there's no trace (no pun intended) of a location for it. This seems to make sense; the '02 has its clock generator on board, correct? Where is its 128 bytes of RAM mapped? There are also two 2114's on this board, rather than two 2112's and two empty sockets for additional 2112's. There's a jumper soldered between U4 (a 74126) pin 5 and the nearest resistor (part of the 8-LED assembly). Not on the schematic, but it seems like it quite possibly could be a pull up or down (pin 5 is an input to a tri-state buffer, pin 6 is the output to the DBE signal on the MPU, at least, according to the schematic I _have_). Again, I can't tell easily in this area of the board because the component-side traces are covered with the white plastic mask. The ROM is 444-364, so I suspect the source listing in the manual I have (for ROM part number 444-17) won't nearly cut it and routines have probably moved. Does anyone have a listing of this ROM they'd be willing to share? IC1 is listed as a 'LS241 on the schematics I have, but there's a 'LS240 in the socket. I can't visually verify that the change is appropriate, or just a bad substitution by the builder, because the component-side traces are covered by that white mask. It seems plausible that Heath would, for whatever reason, decide to invert the sense of the lines buffering the eight binary display LEDs (not the 7-seg displays on the right, the eight FLV117s on the left), and this would be an appropriate substitution. Of course I can quickly find out with a logic probe or some of Heathkit's infamous "short wires", but I was just wondering if anybody knew for sure? Does anyone have a GIF or JPG (or other format) of the x-ray of the main board (even a newer or older revision), or a copy of the "Illustration Booklet" that they'd be willing to share? For that matter, does anyone have a copy of the manual for this (or near) board revision? The manual I have is from Raymond Sarrio, and it was listed on his site as the Illustration Book, but it turned out to the Manual (I'm going to contact him as well). I'm happy to buy/trade... Thanks! --Patrick

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Fw: Sign of the times :(

by rschaefe＠gcfn.org

> In news:3DAC9616.5EB1C69C@pacbell.net, yi ge mei you wei ba wrote: > > > Looks like california plates, but where ? I'd go grab it for you > > if I knew where it was .... no street signs in the photo :-) > > Area Code: 818 > Prefix: 762 > Location: North Hollywood > > Well this is as close as I can peg it. Wish someone would salvage it. In reference to: http://216.102.153.252/sgi.jpg For the graphically or bandwidth challenged, it's an Onyx sitting beside a dumptser. Possibly a troll, but if I was withing a half-days' drive I'd spend the weekend driving sidestreets to be sure... Bob

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FW: CP/M and NEC PC8001A items available

by dancohoe＠oxford.net

This didn't get on the list first time around so here it is again. Recently I found someone (thank you Joe!) who had a bunch of Z-80 stuff including Televideo TS803's, Xerox 820-II's etc. I brought quite a lot home, but he still has some items that he values highly. He apparently needs to move soon and is short of cash. The things I got from him were in excellent condition. He's located in western New York state. I've tried to help him out and if necessary, could store stuff for someone. If you email me off-list, I can give you his address. regards, Dan Cohoe Here's what he sent me the other day: > I have several items left to sell: > > 4 NEC PC-8001A computers and a few printers with 4 boxes of > assorted hardware and software. > > Note: Only 3 NEC Monitors (Green). However, to make > up for the missing monitor I have bundled with these computers > 2 AMDEK (Amber Monitors) (Condition unknown) > 1 AMDEK II Color Monitor (that needs minor repair) > 1 Apple Monitor III (was working when I last used it. > > Note: One of the mini disk units seems to work when it wants to... > > Also, I have about seven boxes of Z80 and CP/M related items: > > 1) a few TRS-80 Mysteries decoded books > > 2) Tons of CP/M Books (assembler/database/communications) > > 3) Kilobaud Magazines > > 4) Digital Research CP/M Plus manuals > > 5) Much more > > I know that one of these boxes contains the original LDOS > manual with LDOS related magazines.... (still need to find the > box...it's hidden here somewhere...) > > Brian >

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Looking for CRT tester/rejuvenator

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

>From: "Claude.W" <claudew(a)videotron.ca> > >Hi > >Looking for a "recent has possible" CRT tester/rejuvenator to do work on >several older terminals, monitors and other equip with CRTs I have around >here... > >Borrowing the high $ unit from work is not good for me....Carrying large >monitors into work is not practical... > >Will trade or $s. > >Claude >http://computer_collector.tripod.com > > Hi They can be tested in place. Most rejuvenators just run the filaments at about 1.5X to 2X the voltage while the rest of the voltages are at zero. You can do this with a bench power supply. Dwight

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Even stranger classic software

by jpl15＠panix.com

In the late 70s I remember seeing a tiny little ad in the back sections of Byte for a program for Passover. You plopped your Apple ][ down on the table next to the Charoses and roast lamb and wine - and the damn thing stepped you thru the Seder, songs and all. "Daddy - why on this night do we have our computer on the dining room table, instead of the desk? Daddy - why on this night are all our relatives and guests dying from hunger because you can't get a disk to read?" ;} It was a stunning concept - and right then I began to formulate the cynical observation that *some* people have way too much time on their minds... Cheers John

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Looking for CRT tester/rejuvenator

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

>From: jpero(a)sympatico.ca > >From: "Dwight K. Elvey" <dwightk.elvey(a)amd.com> >Subject: Re: Looking for CRT tester/rejuvenator >To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org >Reply-to: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org >Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 13:53:02 -0700 (PDT) > >>From: "Claude.W" <claudew(a)videotron.ca> >> >>Hi >> >>Looking for a "recent has possible" CRT tester/rejuvenator to do work on >>several older terminals, monitors and other equip with CRTs I have around >>here... >> >>Borrowing the high $ unit from work is not good for me....Carrying large >>monitors into work is not practical... >> >>Will trade or $s. >> >>Claude >>http://computer_collector.tripod.com >> >> > >Hi > They can be tested in place. Most rejuvenators just run the >filaments at about 1.5X to 2X the voltage while the rest of the >voltages are at zero. You can do this with a bench power supply. >Dwight > >Another reason for having rejuvenator it has ablitity to test >emissions and leakages (short), also can remove those shorts as well >besides just heating the heater HOTTER. You are right but it is still the brightness of the screen that counts in the end. Measured emission is only part of the end result. Tired phosphors can't be measured without a photometer or the eye. Shorts can be opened the same way. Charge a large capacitor and hit it to to short. Again, a cheaper way. > >Secore brand is very good, get used one instead to keep cost down, be >prepared for sticker shock. Your best bet is buy up new TTL monitor >(mono) and stick the new tube into your old terminals is cheapest. > >Otherwise for color CRT is same from used monitor except have to >spend lot of time convergencing them. Convergence is an art. Dwight > >Cheers, > >Wizard >

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Looking for CRT tester/rejuvenator

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

Wow I rejuv old '20's tubes all the time. I just do it the old fashioned way. I'm not all that sure adding a PIC to the process would mean much. There is no such thing as a "safer & gentler" method. You need to bring the cathode to a temperature that is hot enough to bring new material to the surface. This always has the chance of blowing the filament. If done right, this can take from 2 to 20 minutes. I doubt that running it for, exactly, 19.53 minutes is much different than 20 minutes. You run it for a while with the higher voltage then measure the emission. You are the only one that can decide when it is good enough. How does the PIC know that the tube will be bright enough? It might even be over doing it?? Should it be as bright as new?? Should the emission value be the only judge?? Why is it that everyone thinks that a computer controlled or LASER light is better than tried and proven methods. I guess we all just read the labels and except what some marketing fellow wrote. There are some things a computer can do faster than me. It is a little more consistent than me. But it can be consistently bad as well. I guess if the computer blows it up, you can say that it was destined to fail anyway. Anyway, I thought you were talking about one of the old fashioned tester/rejuvenators. They just had a meter needle that was labeled red/yellow/green and a push button labeled Rejuvenate. I guess I'm just out of date. The ones I've seen didn't have a PIC in them. Later Dwight >From: "Claude.W" <claudew(a)videotron.ca> > >Well...newer units use a PIC or similar (probably) and will monitor currents >and will attempt a "safer & gentler" restoration/rejuv....and will do >several other tests... > >Claude >http://computer_collector.tripod.com > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Dwight K. Elvey" <dwightk.elvey(a)amd.com> >To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> >Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 4:53 PM >Subject: Re: Looking for CRT tester/rejuvenator > > >> >From: "Claude.W" <claudew(a)videotron.ca> >> > >> >Hi >> > >> >Looking for a "recent has possible" CRT tester/rejuvenator to do work on >> >several older terminals, monitors and other equip with CRTs I have around >> >here... >> > >> >Borrowing the high $ unit from work is not good for me....Carrying large >> >monitors into work is not practical... >> > >> >Will trade or $s. >> > >> >Claude >> >http://computer_collector.tripod.com >> > >> > >> >> Hi >> They can be tested in place. Most rejuvenators just run the >> filaments at about 1.5X to 2X the voltage while the rest of the >> voltages are at zero. You can do this with a bench power supply. >> Dwight >> >> > >

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ELAN E9C EPROM Programmer

by kbhipp＠yahoo.com

Does anyone have any information as to where I might locate a Manual for an old ELAN EPROM programmer/copier? If anyone has any leads I would appreciate it. Thanks Kevin Hipp __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/

23 years, 6 months

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OT Re: Naming Computers (strategy, and WHY)

by palazzol＠comcast.net

Back in the late 80's I worked in a lab at Michigan State with a dozen or so SunOS Workstations, 2 Sun Fileservers, and a VAX8600 running Ultrix. All the Sun machines had odd, short names: bubo, mala, typh, pock, etc. It turns out the admin had named them all after diseases, but the management thought it was too much, so they all became 4-letter truncated diseases :) The VAX was renamed from sniffles to eecae (an acronym) at the same time. -Frank

23 years, 6 months

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Couple of mystery boards (MDS, Ricoh, ...)

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

Well the nubus kinda cards I would bet money on being QMS laser printer boards, since the 2nd one even visibly says QMS on it... Will J _________________________________________________________________ Get a speedy connection with MSN Broadband. Join now! http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/freeactivation.asp

23 years, 6 months

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WordCraft for PET with software dongle?

by foo＠siconic.com

Does anyone have WordCraft written by Peter Dowson and Mike Lake (UK) for the PET (crica 1978-1979) that included a "dongle" (software key) that had to be plugged into one of the ports on the back of the PET in order to work? If so, please contact me directly at <sellam(a)vintage.org>. Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *

23 years, 6 months

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Even stranger classic software

by acme_ent＠bellsouth.net

> From: Sellam Ismail <foo(a)siconic.com> > > I have the Omm program somewhere, I'm sure. > > What's that? Sellam, you've never encountered (or been a part of) a bunch of chanting hippies? You know, "Aum?" Too young, I guess ;>) Glen 0/0 If I am not for myself, who will be for me? And if not now, when? -- Pirkei Avot

23 years, 6 months

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Radstone Tech?

by jfoust＠threedee.com

I'm trying to help a guy on the electron microscope mailing list. He has a LEO 360FE SEM, with a computer attached built by Radstone Technology, better known for making military and space applications, he says. It saves images on a Panasonic LF-7300 WORM drive, but because he doesn't know the embedded OS, we can't guess at the filesystem on the MO. Any ideas? - John

23 years, 6 months

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Even stranger classic software

by acme_ent＠bellsouth.net

> From: John Lawson <jpl15(a)panix.com> > In the late 70s I remember seeing a tiny little ad in the back sections > of Byte for a program for Passover. > > You plopped your Apple ][ down on the table next to the Charoses and > roast lamb and wine - and the damn thing stepped you thru the Seder, > songs and all. ARRGH! It is NOT kosher to have an electrical appliance on the Seder table! Glen 0/0 If I am not for myself, who will be for me? And if not now, when? -- Pirkei Avot

23 years, 6 months

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Naming Computers [was: A Momentous Decision]

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

Just think, since some of those are subs, (Thresher I know is, I believe Scorpion is as well), why not name one machine DICASS? For those not in the know, thats the AN/SSQ-62B Directional Command Activated Sonobuoy System... And yes, the Navy really *does* call it DICASS... They're death to subs, usually lead to a direct ping by a dipping sonar, and then the helicopter crew shouts "weapon away!" and you get torpedoed/depth-charged/all of the above! Will J _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963

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TRS-80 Model 6000 Keyboard

by univac2＠earthlink.net

Well, just days after my post regarding XENIX for the Tandy 6000, its keyboard seems to have gotten some ideas from Jeff's post on TRS-80 keyboard problems. The 'D' key has taken sick. Every other key on the board works flawlessly. But simply in the course of normal use, the 'D' key has stopped working. I've "fixed" it to the best of my ability, but the problem obviously goes beyond that. Now, that one key in itself wouldn't be so bad, except that in order to get to the login prompt in XENIX, you have to type CTRL-D. Which puts my 6000 in the very large paperweight category at the moment. So my question is - Does anyone have a spare 6000 keyboard lying around, or know where I might go about looking for one? I have enough systems lying around waiting for parts to complete them, and I really don't want this one to join them. Thanks. -- Owen Robertson

23 years, 6 months

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Couple of mystery boards (MDS, Ricoh, ...)

by owad＠applefritter.com

I've taken photographs of a couple of interesting looking but unknown boards I've been setting aside and am curious if anyone can identify them. The following boards are from 1975 and are all labeled "MDS-100x", where 'x' is between 1 and 8. My Google searching was unable to find anything that looked relevant. <http://www.applefritter.com/temp/boards/mds/1.jpg> has a couple of 6821's <http://www.applefritter.com/temp/boards/mds/2.jpg> <http://www.applefritter.com/temp/boards/mds/3.jpg> is just about all TTL The second two of these cards have a connector that looks like Nubus but is missing the middle row of pins. Are these for a laser printer? <http://www.applefritter.com/temp/boards/seminubus/1.jpg> <http://www.applefritter.com/temp/boards/seminubus/2.jpg> has a 68000 processor and RAM. <http://www.applefritter.com/temp/boards/seminubus/3.jpg> is labeled Ricoh Engine Driver Another one that looked interesting. I have no idea what this is from. <http://www.applefritter.com/temp/boards/1.jpg> Thanks. Tom Applefritter www.applefritter.com

23 years, 6 months

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More Heathkit H8 Questions

by chris＠blackwidowguitars.com

Well I've been messing with my H8 some... I did get a program to work that I entered into the keypad on the front. Now I would like to take the next step and see if some of the other stuff works... This machine has the H8-5 serial/ tape combo - I have the cable that connects the funny Molex connector to the terminal & have a nice terminal hooked to it. I also have in there what I believe to be the floppy controller - but I have no cables or drives. I am assuming that this machine must be "told" via the front panel to boot >from a tape or disk before I ever get anything on the terminal? Is this correct? If this is true - what do I need to get this thing up and running? Will this thing boot from tape? Is that the easiest option for starters? I am not having much luck locating information or parts online for this beast... Also I'm wondering if the floppy drives are just a standard old 360k drive & some sort of standard cabling that I might be able to round up? If so how hard will it be to find bootable media? Lots of questions! Thanks in advance Chris Lamrock

23 years, 6 months

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Classic kitchen computer products?

by classiccmp＠crash.com

> I remember an magazine add for a TRS-80 (Model 1) in the mid-70's > with it in a kitchen, 'storing recipies'. Wish I had kept it. I've been reading Stan Veit's History of the Personal Computer lately. He's got a reprint of the photo from a TRS-80 Model I ad where a guy is using it on the kitchen table, copying some thing down on a pad and looking vaguely crazed with a cup of coffee. A woman stands in the background behind the kitchen counter, findling a bowl of snacks or fruit and gazing fondly at the gent in the foreground - as if proud the her man is finally able to purchase an use a microcomputer. Page 171. --Steve.

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Wired story on VCF 5.0

by foo＠siconic.com

http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,55949,00.html Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *

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VCF Stuff For Sale

by marvin＠rain.org

In the interest of getting rid of stuff, the list below is some of the stuff I will be bringing to VCF. I'll be adding to it as the stuff gets loaded into the van. The pricing is OBO but I probably won't be very flexible on just one item :). At this point, I have zero interest in shipping anything, so this is info for those of you who will be attending. Misc. For Sale 1. $5.00 Apollo Keyboard/Mouse 2. $10.00 Arnet Boards, cables, etc. No Software Untested 3. $25.00 Atari 850 Interface w/ Power Supply 4. $25.00 Commodore Monitor 1701 5. $5.00 Commodore 1541 disk drives 6. $4.00 Commodore C-64 Power Supplies 7. $5.00 HP Laserjet II 1 MB Memory Board 8. $3.00 Kensington System Saver - Apple II 9. $3.00 Kensington System Saver - Mac 10. $10.00 Keyword 8000 8" drives & power supply 11. $1.00 Misc. Box - Anything in box for $1.00 ea. 12. $10.00 Multibus Extender Card 13. $20.00 One Box Punch Cards, Globe #39367 14. $10.00 Printer Ribbon Re-Inker 15. $20.00 Vector Graphic Hardware Manuals 16. $20.00 Vector/Godabout S-100 motherboard 17. $5.00 Versatec Interface Board? Books/Magazines for Sale 1. $2.00 Apple II User's Guide, PB 2. $2.00 RCA SK Replacement Catalog, PB 3. $4.00 Information Processing w/ Basic and Telecourse Guide, Bohl, PB 4. $2.00 1985/86 NTE Technical Guide and Cross Reference, PB 5. $2.00 Open Windows V3 for SunOS 4.1.x DeskSet Reference Guide, Sunsoft, PB 6. $4.00 Odyssey, Sculley, HB 7. $2.00 The Personal Computer Book, McWilliams, PB 8. $2.00 Programmmer's Guide to the IBM PC, Norton, PB 9. $2.00 Programmer's Guide to the NeWs Toolkit code Generator, Sunsoft, PB 10. $2.00 Solaris 2.0 System Configuration and Installation Guide, Sunsoft, PB 11. $4.00 High Level Cobol Programming , Weinberg,Kauffman,Wright,Goetz, HB Software for Sale 1. $5.00 MAC Tools, Central Point Software, shrinkwrapped eval.copy 2. $7.00 Microsoft Windows 3.1 (Logitech) 5 1/4 HD diskettes 3. $25.00 One Lot OS/2 Software 4. $5.00 QB/Pro Vol 7 - QB Optimizer, Microhelp 5. $2.00 ea Sun CDs 6. $30.00 Xenix w/AST 4-port serial card, etc. Computers/Terminals For Sale 1. $10.00 ADM 5 terminal, lights up but NT 2. $10.00 Atari 400 3. $15.00 Atari 800 4. $10.00 DEC VT-220 terminal 5. $25.00 Commodore 64 w/1701 Monitor, 1741 Disk Drive, Cassette Drive, Manuals, etc. 6. $10.00 Epson Equity LT Laptop w/manuals, disks, power supply, carrying case, NW 7. $25.00 Epson HX-20 modified w/ bar code scanner 8. $35.00 HP 150 Touchscreen Computer 9. $20.00 IBM convertable computers 10. $5.00 Mac SE, 2FD, Top FD w/insertion problem, no kb/mouse 11. $20.00 Mac SE30, FD/HD, ADB keyboard/mouse, original disks, cloth carrying case 12. $15.00 Mac 512K 13. $15.00 Mac Classic w/ keyboard/mouse 14. $7.00 Sharp PC-4501 Laptop w/ manual, carrying case NW 15. $35.00 Soroc IQ120 16. $5.00 Tandy Coco 1 17. $5.00 Tandy Coco 2 18. $35.00 Tandy/Radio Shack Model 100 19. $10.00 Zenith Z-170 w/ User Manual 20. $10.00 Zenith Z-170 w/ User Manual 21. $25.00 Zenith ZTX-11 Terminal, Unopened in Original Box NW - Not Working NT - Not Tested Game Computers For Sale 1. $15.00 Atari 5100, power supply, game/ps connection box 2. $5.00 Magnavox Odyssey II, power supply, one game cartridge 3. $5.00 Mattel Aquarius (no box)

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Classic kitchen computer products?

by doug_jackson＠citadel.com.au

I remember an magazine add for a TRS-80 (Model 1) in the mid-70's with it in a kitchen, 'storing recipies'. Wish I had kept it. (Btw, a friend of mine scored an 'audry', and as a browser, it really rocks.) Doug Jackson Director, Managed Security Services Citadel Securix +61 (0)2 6290 9011 (Ph) +61 (0)2 6262 6152 (Fax) +61 (0)414 986 878 (Mobile) Web: <www.citadel.com.au> Offices in Melbourne, Sydney, Canberra, Hong Kong, Boston > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian Chase [mailto:vaxzilla@jarai.org] > Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 1:16 PM > To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Classic kitchen computer products? > > > I'm sure most people on the list are familiar with Honeywell's Kitchen > Computer. And then there are also plenty of more recent attempts to > computerize the kitchen these days: The Electrolux fridge computer, > 3COM's aborted Audrey internet appliance, and a whole range of systems > from South Korea's LG Electronics. > > But what of the intervening years? What was going on during the 1970s > and 1980s to conquer the kitchen with computer technology; either with > software or hardware? I've vague recollections of commercial software > being availble for 80s era microcomputers--things like recipe > databases > software--but I can't come up with any specific examples. > > Does anyone here know of other classic computer kitchen automation > products from bygone decades? > > -brian. > CAUTION - The information in this message may be of a privileged or confidential nature intended only for the use of the addressee or someone authorised to receive the addressee's e-mail. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error please notify postmaster(a)citadel.com.au. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of Citadel Securix. Feel free to visit the Citadel Securix website! Click below. http://www.citadel.com.au

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(no subject)

by loedman1＠juno.com

Well I have the manuals and all the related stuff but having been ripped off by the inept operators of eBay, I refuse to acknowledge their existence other than to regularly wish a pox on their first born children Rich From: "Glen Goodwin" <acme_ent(a)bellsouth.net> To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Subject: Re: Kaypro 10 Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 11:02:25 -0400 Reply-To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Happy hunting. The last one I saw on eBay went for $175, no diskettes, no manuals, just the box. Glen

23 years, 6 months

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Kaypro 10

by acme_ent＠bellsouth.net

Happy hunting. The last one I saw on eBay went for $175, no diskettes, no manuals, just the box. Glen 0/0 ---------- > From: loedman1(a)juno.com > To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Kaypro 10 > Date: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 7:18 PM > > Looking for a Kaypro 10 with CP/M 2.2 OS. Drives must be in good shape > > Rich Stephenson > loedman1(a)juno.com If I am not for myself, who will be for me? And if not now, when? -- Pirkei Avot

23 years, 6 months

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good book on Pascal

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

Hi I'm looking for a good reference book on Pascal. I'm looking for something in the 1982 to 1985 time range. The Pascal, I have, is said to be MS-Pascal. I didn't know that they did a Pascal but it may have been someone elses that they OEM'd. I don't think it is Turbo Pascal so don't suggest your favorite TP book. Of course, it isn't on a x86 machine so there may be differences. I am mostly interested in the kind of things one would normally find in the object library that one would use with this compiler. They mention that it is a shared library with MS-FORTRAN. Information on FORTRAN libraries might also be useful. Thanks Dwight

23 years, 6 months

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[OT] paper on Retro ?

by eric＠brouhaha.com

> While we're on the subject, did anyone see the article "Data > Extinction" in the October 2002 issue of Technology Review? Yeah, but I was somewhat disappointed. The cover made it sound like they would discuss *media* that would last a long time, but they were just talking about maintaining the ability for software to handle the data. That's obviously worthwhile, but it's also much easier to figure out: 1) Use industry-standard data formats, not proprietary formats 2) Use text-based formats where possible rather than binary formats 3) Keep a specification for the format along with that data, ideally on the same physical medium 4) Keep the source code for the software that processes the data, ideally on the same physical medium. Ideally use software written in a programming language that is widely used, not something obscure. 5) Keep the tools used to build the binary of the software. etc. On the media side, though, AFAIK there is only one high-density machine-readable media that can be expected with any confidence to last much more than 20 years. That is CD-R with a gold-coated substrate rather than silver or aluminum. Note that gold-tinted dye is NOT sufficient. The main failure mechanism for CD-Rs is oxidation of the reflective layer, and a gold layer won't do that, so then your limit is based on other physical processes that occur even more slowly. Kodak's accelerated aging tests indicated a typical life of several hundred years, so they conservatively claimed one hundred. They used to have a white paper on their web site. However, almost everyone that made gold CD-R media (including Kodak) has abandoned it. Mitsui appears to still offer it. Of course, it's more expensive than the cheap stuff by a factor of two or more. Kodak came up with a "marketing breakthrough" in offering discs with a blend of silver and gold. They claim these to be better than silver only discs, though not as good as gold-only. I am very dubious that these mixed discs will actually hold up better than silver-only, since there's not actually enough gold to be sufficiently reflective if all of the silver oxidizes. But I don't really understand the chemistry of it, so perhaps somehow the mix keeps the silver from oxidizing as quickly? I speculate, but have *no* evidence, that gold CD-RW media might last even longer than gold CD-R media. This is because it takes a higher energy level to cause a phase change in CD-RW media. If you need to archive data with any media with a limited lifetime (which means any media at all), you have several potential problems. You need to recopy the media before it fails, and you need to make sure that you don't introduce any errors in replication. The longer the lifetime of the original media, the less of a problem this will be. When you do recopy the media, you'll probably want (or need) to copy it onto a different, more modern medium. One of the things people have worried about is how long CD-ROM drives will exist. I believe that twenty-five years from now it will not be difficult to find a working drive that can read CD-ROMs, but that in fifty nears it will be somewhat difficult. However, one advantage of the CD format is that it was designed to be so simple that a microprocessor is not even necessary in a player or drive. This was a serious design consideration in the late 1970s when Sony and Philips were developing the CD for audio use, though by the time they introduced the first actual products in 1983 the cost of a microprocessor was so low as to make "dumb" CD players impractical. The CD and CD-Audio specifications are widely available. You can't get the official specs without paying some money, but they're in IEC 60908 (CD-Audio) and ISO/IEC 10149 (CD-ROM extension) which are *much* less expensive than buying the Red Book and Yellow Bookfrom Philips. I believe that building a crude but working CD-ROM drive from scratch would be a reasonable project for a few grad students, so if it is really the case that in 50 or 100 years, no new CD-ROM-compatible drives are commercially available and no old ones still work, it won't be an insurmountable challenge to read CD-Rs. If you want a medium with even better longevity than that, I suggest punched mylar tape. But the density is orders of magnitude worse than for CD-R.

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suggestions for where to post adverts??

by julesrichardsonuk＠yahoo.co.uk

hi all, back on the list after maybe a three year absence - nice to see the list is still going! anyone know of a good place to post adverts for classic stuff? I'm sure it used to be frowned upon on this list, and probably still is; I've checked the FAQ on www.classiccmp.org and it's missing the whole section on list etiquette though, so I'm none the wiser :-) (rather not use loot, ebay etc. unless I have to as I don't want the machine being turned into a coffee table, beer fridge, ashtray etc. etc.!) cheers Jules __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page >from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com

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OT: Shipping a large, heavy crate

by msspcva＠yahoo.com

As promised, the results of my shipment of a large heavy pallet: The package was picked up on time by the shipping company selected from freightquote.com's list of shippers (I took the cheapest). That was Monday this week. Delivery occurred this morning (Wednesday), it was supposed to take 3 business days so they somewhat beat their estimate. They did NOT call the receiving party prior to showing up, but it turned out OK, and everything arrived in one peice. This was a pallet load of 9 track tapes and weighed in at 712 pounds. -- Frank --- Clayton Frank Helvey <msspcva(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > FWIW: > > I'm in the process of using freightquote.com's > service > to do this very thing. I signed up for my > corporation > but I don't normally ship a large amount of stuff; I > have a bunch of older AS/400 gear I'm trying to sell > off. > > I have a pallet of 650 pounds (U.S.), standard > sized, > quoted to ship from Roanoke to Illionis for $184 > with > 3 day delivery. On Monday I'll find out if the > shipping company (Central Transport International) > will pick it up on time; on Thursday or Friday I'll > find out if it got destroyed enroute (which is what > insurance is for!). > > I'll post an after-action report once I find out how > it went. > > -- Frank > > --- Eric Smith <eric(a)brouhaha.com> wrote: > > Robert A. Feldman wrote: > > > I need to ship a large, heavy crate (about 30" x > > 12" x 72" and around > > > 200-250 pounds) in the US. What company would > you > > recommend? > > > Please answer off-list, directly to my email. > > > > Actually, please DO answer on-list. This > > information is of general > > interest to many of us. > > > > > > > > > ===== > = M O N T V A L E S O F T W A R E S E R V I C E S > P. C.= > Clayton Frank Helvey, President > Montvale Software Services, P. C. > P.O. Box 840 > Blue Ridge, VA 24064-0840 > Phone: 540.947.5364 Email: msspcva(a)yahoo.com > ============================================================ > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More > http://faith.yahoo.com > ===== = M O N T V A L E S O F T W A R E S E R V I C E S P. C.= Clayton Frank Helvey, President Montvale Software Services, P. C. P.O. Box 840 Blue Ridge, VA 24064-0840 Phone: 540.947.5364 Email: msspcva(a)yahoo.com ============================================================ __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/

23 years, 6 months

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Tandy XENIX Disks

by univac2＠earthlink.net

Does anyone here have the XENIX and/or XENIX Development System disks for a TRS-80 Model 16/6000? I have a Tandy 6000 that I like a lot, and have been playing around with for a few months, but the XENIX installation seems rather spotty. Some command line utilities seem to be missing and the development tools are missing completely. I suppose the previous user did that to conserve disk space. On a related note - If anyone has a TRS-80 Model 12/16/6000 keyboard suffering from keys that have a lack of bounce, removing the keycap and stretching the spring out a little works wonders. -- Owen Robertson

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OT: Monitor repair

by pat＠purdueriots.com

I've got a rebadged Sony GDM-20E20 and GDM-20D11 that have some issues and was wondering if anyone had technical information about them. The E20 seems to have HV ok, but doesn't display any picture - but it appears to be powered up ok. The D11 won't switch out of powersave mode. If anyone has any info, reply to me off-list Pat -- "This fucking university has shown time and time again that it is completely fucking incompetent when it comes to employing technology" -- Anonymous http://dilbert.com/comics/dilbert/archive/images/dilbert2040637020924.gif

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HP 2647A / F Terminal & HP1000

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

Closest I ever came to cables was the hacked-off ends as gold scrap : ( Will J _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963

23 years, 6 months

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Morrow Radio Mfg Co. Salem, Or. ? and/or Heathkit Technical Applications Bulletins?

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

Does anyone know anything about this company? Or if it's related to Morrow computers? I found this address on the instruction manual for Morrow convertors. The convertors were super hetrodyne tuners for use for auto radios and would allow the reception of 10-15-20-40-75-80 meter stations. I found this manual in a binder of Heathkit Technical Applications Bulletins dated 1952/1953. I've never even heard of these bulletins before but they look pretty interesting. Does anyone know more about them or when Heathkit stopped printing them? Joe

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HP1000 Card Edge Connectors

by glenslick＠hotmail.com

I think the necessary connector is a dual row 48 contact 0.156" spacing card edge connector. I'll have to see if I can find a source. I think some place like http://www.edac.net would let you specify such a connector, but actually buying some in low quantities might be a different story. -Glen >From: "Will Jennings" <xds_sigma7(a)hotmail.com> >Reply-To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org >To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org >Subject: Re: HP 2647A / F Terminal & HP1000 >Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 10:52:43 -0600 > >Closest I ever came to cables was the hacked-off ends as gold scrap : ( > >Will J _________________________________________________________________ Surf the Web without missing calls! Get MSN Broadband. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/freeactivation.asp

23 years, 6 months

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DEC wiring colors and the PDP-8/e PSU

by djg＠drs-esg.com

> If anyone happens to have their PSU dismantled > enough to see the back, I need to know which half of the breaker, > white-lead or black-lead, attaches to the lone white wire, and which > one attaches to the red wire (with a companion wire). > Did you look at the pictures on http://www.pdp8.net/pdp8em/pdp8em.shtml ? When I fixed the fuse a while ago I took a bunch of pictures of the inside of the power supply. If you select the large size you get pretty good detail. This is probably the best for what you are needing http://www.pdp8.net/pdp8em/pics/h724inp.shtml?large David Gesswein http://www.pdp8.net/ -- Run an old computer with blinkenlights.

23 years, 6 months

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Classic Computer Question

by Huw.Davies＠kerberos.davies.net.au

OK, this is a long shot but with this group, you never know. I'd like to try to identify the first computer I saw "in the flesh" so to speak. This would have been 1965 or 1966 and it was at Keele University (in the UK). Does anyone have any suggestions as to how I would find this out? I've already tried sending e-mail to the computer centre at Keele a few years ago but didn't get very far. Whatever computer it is has a lot to answer for! Yes, I'm getting old but I was 10 or 11 at the time.... Huw Davies | e-mail: Huw.Davies(a)kerberos.davies.net.au | "If God had wanted soccer played in the | air, the sky would be painted green"

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Educational Computer Corporation ?

by hansp＠aconit.org

Anyone heard of this company, apparently made or OEM'd minicomputers probably in the early 70's. I have a lead on a system and this is the only info I have so far. -- hbp

23 years, 6 months

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HP 2647A / F Terminal & HP1000

by glenslick＠hotmail.com

I do have a 12966A BACI interface in my 2117F, but unfortunately no interface cable for it (or for any of the other interface cards in the system). Anyone have a spare cable for some sort of reasonable deal? -Glen >From: Bob Shannon <bshannon(a)tiac.net> >Reply-To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org >To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org >Subject: Re: HP 2647A / F Terminal >Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 17:22:21 -0400 > >The HP1000 264x boot rom uses a common BACI board. I have the source code >listing for that >boot rom. > >The protocol is very simple, the HP sends "<escape> e" I beleive, and then >listens to a stream of bytes to be sent in the HP standard BBL format. >This is the same format used for HP paper tapes, so all the software on the >HP2100 archive site can be loaded this way. There is no additional >handshaking for each byte as it is read. > >(its also the format used to distribute HP-IPL/OS) > >This is a quick and easy way to get your 2117F booting. _________________________________________________________________ Unlimited Internet access -- and 2 months free! Try MSN. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/2monthsfree.asp

23 years, 6 months

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Reading floppies under Linux

by eric＠brouhaha.com

After that thread about reading various floppy formats under Linux, and I went to the trouble of packaging up a prerelease of dmklib, releasing it on SourceForge, and announcing it here, I'm somewhat disappointed that no one has downloaded it. I was hoping for some feedback. Sigh.

23 years, 6 months

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HP9100 Calculator

by martin.kaeser＠auge.de

Hi all, i bought a HP 9100 A calculator and need some advice. According to the owner, the power supply hummed and the backlighting came one - nothing on the screen, though. I think i should test the power supply and the tube first. Any suggestions on where i could test voltages and what i should get? How long would the screen take to light up? If the calculator is stuck in a loop, would there be a display at all? Would pulling the logic cards first be a good idea? Thanks for advice, Martin

23 years, 6 months

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Naming Computers [ was: Re: A Momentous Decision ]

by carlos_murillo＠epm.net.co

I started with mountain names (heck, everyone does, but then I *really* like some mountains). But I tried to use original names whenever possible (citlaltepetl, popocatepetl, iztaccihuatl, jimulco). Then I followed with aztec deities (coyolxhauqui, chimalpopoca, tezcatlipoca, huitzilopochtli...). Nahuatl language is just great for naming hosts. Carlos. -------------------------------------------------------------- Carlos E. Murillo-Sanchez carlos_murillo(a)nospammers.ieee.org

23 years, 6 months

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Computer names Re: A Momentous Decision

by mtapley＠swri.edu

>Just out of curiousity, how many other people here name their classic >computers (for reasons other than giving them a network address) Once I've worked with a computer enough, I name it. Classic or not. That probably contributes heavily to my resistance to replacing them with newer models. - Mark

23 years, 6 months

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Someone was looking for a Packard Bell power supply

by cb＠mythtech.net

A while back I was talking with someone from this list about a Packard Bell power supply they were looking for. We decided that the one I had wasn't the right one... but just a few minutes ago, I stripped a Packard Bell 486, and have its power supply. So whoever that was, if you are still in need of one, email me, and we'll see if this one fits your case. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

23 years, 6 months

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DEC wiring colors and the PDP-8/e PSU

by erd_6502＠yahoo.com

I think I have repaired the circuit breaker in my PDP-8/e, but in my efforts to reassemble the dismantled breaker, I am concerned that I might have swapped the hot and return wires (black and white) from the mains plug. For internal AC wiring, I have seen in this power supply and others (of the -8/i and -8/L vintage, among others) white and red wires. Is it white-to-white, black-to-red? The problem with my breaker turned out to be curable by tightening up the pivot points of the double-jointed contact-throw mechanism. The design, it seems, depends on the back-pressure of the movable contact into the fixed. One breaker stayed extended, while the other collapsed before the throw was complete. As there is a linkage that trips both at once, that's all it took. I think there was excessive side-play that meant the weaker breaker couldn't stand the pressure at the main joint and it popped. Before disassembling it, the symptom had been that I could reset the breaker dozens of times in a row and never have it stick. Now, it seems quite mechanically reliable. Haven't applied power yet, for obvious reasons. Thanks for any tips. If anyone happens to have their PSU dismantled enough to see the back, I need to know which half of the breaker, white-lead or black-lead, attaches to the lone white wire, and which one attaches to the red wire (with a companion wire). Thanks, -ethan __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/

23 years, 6 months

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Favorite terminal

by emu＠ecubics.com

Hi, what is THE favorite terminal you folks here use ? Now I have all this nice VTxxx I ever wanted, but they always miss the graphics capabilities, I had on my terminals in the office. (not talking about GUIs, just few nice lines on the screen) So, is there something like emulating VTxxx (52,100,200,320,340) and tektronix ? (probably even 38400 baud ? I really like to talk about terminals, not software for PC's emulating those ... cheers & thanks

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Kaypro 10

by loedman1＠juno.com

Looking for a Kaypro 10 with CP/M 2.2 OS. Drives must be in good shape Rich Stephenson loedman1(a)juno.com

23 years, 6 months

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Troll on imsai.net?

by Lee.Davison＠merlincommunications.com

> Second, I think that the 8" disk would be marked "SSDD", not "Single > Sided Double Density", but I really haven't seen enough 8" disks to > firmly decide that. Oops #1. Got a stack of BASF 8" disks here. The label says .. BASF Single Sided Double Density Lee. ________________________________________________________________________ This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star Internet. The service is powered by MessageLabs. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit: http://www.star.net.uk ________________________________________________________________________

23 years, 6 months

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Fwd: [geeks] [david@aulis.demon.co.uk: Re: PDP 11/84]

by geoffr＠zipcon.net

>Free PDP 11/84 for rescue in the UK. > >Please contact David directly if you're in the UK and can rescue this >machine.. Also, can someone who is on classiccmp forward this to that >list as well? > >thanks. > >Bill > >----- Forwarded message from David Warden <david(a)aulis.demon.co.uk> ----- > >Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 21:59:44 +0100 >From: David Warden <david(a)aulis.demon.co.uk> >To: mrbill(a)mrbill.net >Subject: Re: PDP 11/84 >Cc: david(a)aulis.demon.co.uk > >Bill, > >Thanks for your prompt reply. > >Please do forward my details to your contacts in the UK. I look forward to >hearing from them. > >Its great to get such a positive response. I have been trying on and off for >about a year to find a new home for this machine as I really do need the >space. I've always thought it was too good for scrap which was why I >saved it in the first place. > >Its in two DEC cabinets each 40in high x 20in wide x 30in deep. Once I've >dug it out from under three years accumulated clutter I can send further >details and/or pictures to anyone who is interested. It spent most of its >life in a climate-controlled equipment room at the hospital and I've >kept it in the house since so it is in quite clean condition. > >Once again, thanks for your help. > >Best Regards, > >David. > >--- > >David, > >With your permission, I'll forward this to a group of people who collect >and rescue such machines from the skip and give them a good home. I'd take >it myself, if I wasnt thousands of miles away. 8-) > >Let me know, and I'll forward this and have people contact you directly. > >Bill > >On Mon, Oct 21, 2002 at 10:50:45PM +0100, David Warden wrote: > > Dear Sir, > > I am trying to find a good home for a DEC PDP 11/84 mini computer > (circa 1986 > > vintage) which I salvaged in 1997 and whose space I now need. > > The working (when last powered up in 1999) system comprises the following > > main components: > > 11X84-BB > > TU80-CB > > RA81-AD > > and boots DSM 11 version 4.1. > > It was in use until 1997 running a laborartory system at a district > > general hospital. Since then it has been stored in the study at my > house in > > Gloucestershire, England. > > I am keen that this system should go to someone who will appreciate it > > and not just strip it for spares or try to sell it. If you have any > > bona fide contacts in the South West of England who might be interested > then > > I would be grateful if you could forward my e-mail details on to them. > > I do not want to advertise on the web or in the news groups since I don't > > want to get spam for everafter and want to be sure that anyone I deal > with is > > genuine. > > Thanks in anticipation of your help. > > Yours faithfully, > > David Warden > >----- End forwarded message ----- >_______________________________________________ >GEEKS: http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/geeks

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free kit in UK. PDP 11/84

by geoffr＠zipcon.net

Free PDP 11/84 for rescue in the UK. Please contact David directly if you're in the UK and can rescue this machine.. Also, can someone who is on classiccmp forward this to that list as well? thanks. Bill ----- Forwarded message from David Warden <david(a)aulis.demon.co.uk> ----- Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 21:59:44 +0100 From: David Warden <david(a)aulis.demon.co.uk> To: mrbill(a)mrbill.net Subject: Re: PDP 11/84 Cc: david(a)aulis.demon.co.uk Bill, Thanks for your prompt reply. Please do forward my details to your contacts in the UK. I look forward to hearing from them. Its great to get such a positive response. I have been trying on and off for about a year to find a new home for this machine as I really do need the space. I've always thought it was too good for scrap which was why I saved it in the first place. Its in two DEC cabinets each 40in high x 20in wide x 30in deep. Once I've dug it out from under three years accumulated clutter I can send further details and/or pictures to anyone who is interested. It spent most of its life in a climate-controlled equipment room at the hospital and I've kept it in the house since so it is in quite clean condition. Once again, thanks for your help. Best Regards, David. --- David, With your permission, I'll forward this to a group of people who collect and rescue such machines from the skip and give them a good home. I'd take it myself, if I wasnt thousands of miles away. 8-) Let me know, and I'll forward this and have people contact you directly. Bill On Mon, Oct 21, 2002 at 10:50:45PM +0100, David Warden wrote: > Dear Sir, > I am trying to find a good home for a DEC PDP 11/84 mini computer (circa 1986 > vintage) which I salvaged in 1997 and whose space I now need. > The working (when last powered up in 1999) system comprises the following > main components: > 11X84-BB > TU80-CB > RA81-AD > and boots DSM 11 version 4.1. > It was in use until 1997 running a laborartory system at a district > general hospital. Since then it has been stored in the study at my house in > Gloucestershire, England. > I am keen that this system should go to someone who will appreciate it > and not just strip it for spares or try to sell it. If you have any > bona fide contacts in the South West of England who might be interested then > I would be grateful if you could forward my e-mail details on to them. > I do not want to advertise on the web or in the news groups since I don't > want to get spam for everafter and want to be sure that anyone I deal with is > genuine. > Thanks in anticipation of your help. > Yours faithfully, > David Warden

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uyk-20? (Count me in!)

by CordaAJ＠NSWC.NAVY.MIL

I _definitely_ want in on a UYK-20 if any become available! Please let me know! -al- > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeffrey Sharp [mailto:jss@subatomix.com] > Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2002 10:34 AM > To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: uyk-20? > > > On Friday, October 18, 2002, Joe wrote: > > Excellant suggestion! My father is also interested in > disposing of his > > Teletype systems and they're looking for some of those too > so I might be > > able to load them up. > > Oh boy, you're gonna get a few responses here saying *that*! I need a > Teletype for my PDP-11/20. And, since I just found out I was > getting hired, > I might actually have money in a month or two. > > How many TTYs do you have, and where are they? > > -- > Jeffrey Sharp >

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CP/M for DEC VT-180?

by classiccmp＠crash.com

I recently gained a Pro-350 and a "Robin" VT-180. I know where I can get various bits of OS for the Pro, but nothing for the Robin. I've checked the two CP/M archive sites I knew about and done a little Googling -- I didn't find anything, though I did see a pointer to Don Maslin and get the impression he may be able to provide disks for some sort of fee. Anybody have a pointer to something on the 'Net? There's nothing like instant gratification, y'know... ;^) Thanks! -- Ob. Tick quote: The morning sun rises to greet him, and in its low warm light he stands like some sort of... of Pagan God or... deposed tyrant, staring out over the city he's sworn to ... to stare out over. And its evident just by looking at him that he's got some pret-ty heavy things on his mind. -- The Tick, "The Tick vs. Dinosaur Neil" --Steve. Steve Jones ...!uunet!crash.com!smj Arlington, Mass. CRASH!! Computing (any spambots parse bang paths?) +1 781 MID BYTE "Chaos will ensue if the variable i is altered..." - SysV Programmers Guide

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Naming Computers

by classiccmp＠crash.com

Well, I grabbed the domain crash.com in the Great Internet Domain Name Land Grab of the early 90's. So when I'm naming machines, I have an overpowering urge to use Unix signal names. The firewall was Segv [.11], is now Hup [.1]; desktops have been Buserr [.10] and Abort [.6]; web server is Fpe [.8]; main file- server had to be Io [.23]. The higher numbered signals tend to vary from one Unix flavor to another, unfortunately... This only applies to working machines; collection machines are liable to get boring names like different deities, different pantheon per manufacturer. I know, I know, how predictable... In a previous life as IT guy for a smallish ISV desktop machines were named with input from the user, if they seemed likely to have a good idea or insisted. Lab machines would typically be named by vendor and sequence, as they were rotated/replaced on something like a 12-18 month cycle. The two fileservers I put together (to get them to stop cross-mounting everything!) got named Inode and Vnode... External FTP server got named Beyond, as I recall. When we brought in a big team of developers and ordered their machines on short notice, I went with another common theme: T lines and stops (that's "subway" to those not in Boston ;^) Servers became Redline, Greenline, etc. Machines became stops on these lines (Alewife, Copley, Kenmore, Lechmere, etc). The original plan had been stops for servers and nearby streets for nodes, but we were rushed... The name I'm still most fond of is the first machine I was allowed to name. I started working in the VAX Resource Center at MIT back in '89 and was handed a VAXstation II, some TK50's and books, and told to learn VMS from a system managers point of view (I'd been a user for a couple years). Since I was and am a big fan of Buckaroo Banzai I called it Yoyodyne.mit.edu (and YOYO::), and after I finished my VMS lessons it got reloaded with Ultrix 3.x/UWS 2.x. I got a lot of complements on the name; several people tried to tell me something about this Thomas Pynchon guy, but I was more interested in reading things by Henry Spencer or Rob Pike... ;^) Ob. Tick quote: DO NOT: 1. Eat in Lab 2. Set Lab on Fire 3. Innovate Unnecessarily -- Sign in Dinosaur Neil's Tent "The Tick vs. Dinosaur Neil" --Steve. Steve Jones ...!uunet!crash.com!smj Arlington, Mass. CRASH!! Computing (any spambots parse bang paths?) +1 781 MID BYTE "Chaos will ensue if the variable i is altered..." - SysV Programmers Guide

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cp/m favorite?

by r_beaudry＠hotmail.com

>I am curious what your favorite cp/m system might be. I am getting an itch >for some late-70/early-80/pre-msdos kind of box. Well, - For portability, I like the Osborne 1. I had a Kaypro 4 '84, and I admit the larger screen was nice, but for 'cool factor', I just like the Osborne. - For a desktop/all-in-one, the Televideo TS-803 is my pick. The graphics capabilities are quite nice, and the screen is large for an all-in-one. Also a nice large clicky keyboard. Wish I had the 803-H, though (built-in hard drive) :-(. I do also have a Xerox 820-II (a fine machine), but I like the style of the Televideo case better (not as industrial looking), and the Xerox drives are external, so they just don't look as nice :-) - For taking up rack/desk space, I have a CompuPro S-100 system -- Dual CPU (Z80H and 80286), a separate box containing dual 8" floppies (Qumetrak 842 SS/DS, SD/DD), and a separate box containing dual 5.25" 96tpi floppies and a 40 MB Hard Drive. All of this drives a pristine Heath H-19 terminal with a sweet graphics board. This is definitely my favorite overall system... - For a system that runs CP/M that wasn't designed to run CP/M :-), I like my Platinum Apple IIe w/ Microsoft SoftCard. I had a C-64 w/ the CP/M cartridge, and I also had a C-128 (which really was designed to run CP/M), but the IIe appeals to me. Especially the Microsoft CP/M card :-) (from back when they made good products :-)) Rich B. _________________________________________________________________ Get a speedy connection with MSN Broadband. Join now! http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/freeactivation.asp

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cp/m favorite?

by Robert_Feldman＠jdedwards.com

I remember hearing the Osborne likened to a VW, the Kaypro to a Chevy, and the Otrona to a BMW. I had an Osborne and Otrona, while a friend had a Kaypro. Between the Osborne and Kaypro, I'd probably go with the Kaypro now -- larger screen, slightly better graphics (IIRC), but it has a strange disk format that makes copying to other formats more difficult. The Otrona's still the coolest of the three, and if you can get an 8:16, you can easily use it to copy disks to/from IBM PC 360KB format. Desktop CP/M machines (as opposed to luggables) are a different subject, of which I have little knowledge. Always heard good things about Epsons, except that they often went down strange proprietary paths and never got much market share. Bob -----Original Message----- From: J.C. Wren [mailto:jcwren@jcwren.com] Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 8:44 PM To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Subject: RE: cp/m favorite? And the ever popular Otrona, which I personally consider a little nicer than the Kaypros. However, for sheer cool, nothing beat the IMSAI. One day, I will have space to light mine up again. Living on a houseboat is great, but sometimes the space issue is a little frusterating. Like there's no room for a PDP/11 here... --John gil smith wrote: > Hi folks: > > I am curious what your favorite cp/m system might be. I am getting an itch > for some late-70/early-80/pre-msdos kind of box. Of the transportables, I > recall working with a kaypro years ago that seemed decent,

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OT: Monitor repair

by Lee.Davison＠merlincommunications.com

> Me, too. I have a GDM-20E20 that's gotten all fuzzy (not > convergence - it's achromatic). Love to know what I can > tweak. Focus. It should be on the line output transformer. Lee. ________________________________________________________________________ This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star Internet. The service is powered by MessageLabs. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit: http://www.star.net.uk ________________________________________________________________________

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Les Solomon passed away this weekend

by r_beaudry＠hotmail.com

I saw this in comp.os.cpm, but didn't see it here, so for those who don't read that group, Les Solomon passed away this weekend at the age of 80. More details from Stan Veit on http://www.imsai.net/ ... I did not know Les, but he definitely led an interesting life, and I know he was well-respected and cared about ... :-( Rich B. _________________________________________________________________ Surf the Web without missing calls! Get MSN Broadband. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/freeactivation.asp

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