- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by kandres＠epssecurity.com

Hello Peoples, I am reading the the mail starting fairly recently. I have a Commodore Pet vintage 1975, serial # in the 13,000 range, received on Guam while in the U.S. Navy, currently not running has a screen full of random characters, seems to me I remember this as indicative of a 6550 MOSTEK ram failure. An Ohio Scientific Superboard, used as a development tool by a firm just starting in computer control of the real world. A DEC something that hasn't been run since it was shut down. The DEC had the BIG 10m removable drive packs, drives and packs since departed this earth in one lost shipment or other. I don't always get to the mail in a timely manner, but it certainly is interesting reading. I am encouraged that there are other enthusiasts out there who appreciate the electronics for what it is not necessarily what it will do at 4.8Ghz. Faster and bigger is not always better. It seems to me the days when programs had to be chained, led to better and less buggy programming. Kev kandres(a)epssecurity.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.435 / Virus Database: 244 - Release Date: 12/30/2002

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Where To Sell?

by Ed_Chiodo＠compuserve.com

7-Jan-03 All - Have you any good experiences at selling your surplus (mostly DEC) gear? The wife has said 'enough' to a basement full of antiques! Ed Chiodo

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Source for TI Silent 700 thermal paper?

by vaxzilla＠jarai.org

Does anyone know of a good source for rolls of thermal paper which are appropriately sized for use in a TI Silent 700 Data Terminal? -brian.

23 years, 4 months

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cctalk digest, Vol 1 #359 - 58 msgs

by alhartman＠yahoo.com

> From: "Steven N. Hirsch" <shirsch(a)adelphia.net> > Subject: Any Corvus collectors out there? > > Hi, > > I'm new to this list and wondering how many Corvus > collectors are out there. Hi, I'm not exactly a Corvus collector, but I used to work for Lawrence S. Epstein Associates, LTD., and we were the East Coast Distributor for Corvus Equipment for quite awhile... And I have a couple of drives and various odds and ends taking up space in a closet... I have some IBM XT Omninet Adapters, I think a couple of older Apple II adapters, Some Mirror Boards, an "H" series drive, and an old Apple II only OmniDrive. I also have manuals and software, maybe even a constellation adapter too.. Those were the days... When a 70mb HDD sold for $8000.00... :) Al __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

23 years, 4 months

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Epson QX-10 / AT

by wroberts＠wi.rr.com

Valdocs was a office suite, word processing, spreadsheet and database group unique to the Epson QX-10 and QX-16 computers. It also ran CPM. and add in board was available that allowed Dos to also be run on the machine. Machine had two voice coil floppydrives that could be configred to many of the early floppy format modes of other computers. I have several including original instruction manuals and many programs for both CPM and early DOS. The computer did not have a hard drive (although an addon was available) and was limited to 360 5 1/4 disks. Is anyone interested? Bill -- William F. Roberts 35081 West Fairview Road Oconomowoc, WI, 53066 wroberts(a)wi.rr.com

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Classic HP equipment available

by amanise＠mscn.demon.co.uk

Hi, I’m acting on behalf of a friend of mine who is looking to find a good home for some classic HP Workstation equipment. He has two HP 9000 workstations which he bought way back when the world was young. One is a Model 345, the other a 710. They are both pretty much complete and there are also a couple of extras like hard disc drive unit, early optical disc unit, and external DAT drive. They both come with 16” graphics monitors and graphics input tablets, and both have their original HIL keyboards. The kit list goes like this; HP9000 Series 700 (Apollo) Base unit (sn:3147G02128) Monitor (A1497A) (2 off) Tape drive unit Model CP-150SE Floppy Drive Unit (Mitsubishi MF504B-318M) Optical Drive Series 630 Model 650/A (with 4 rewritable optical discs) HP9000 345 Workstation (sn:98578x3004G01849) Hard Disc Unit Series 330S Model C2212A (sn:3017A02452) DAT Drive Model 310 (sn:310-930013) Full set of HPUXv8.0 Manuals All this stuff is open to offers. If anyone is interested, I think the only caveat might be that if you take away one thing – you take away the lot. Serious expressions of interest should be made to this email address in the first instance. In the interests of practicality, you might like to note that we’re in England – but please don’t hold that against us. Many thanks, Adrian Manise

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PET chiclet keyboard

by avickers＠solutionengineers.com

Hi, Does anyone (pref. UK based for postage charges) have a spare chiclet-style keyboard for the PET 2001? I don't mind if it's broken, in millions of pieces, etc., just so long as the keytops are in good (or, ideally, excellent) condition and are all present. I have a k/b which works well, but is worn right down to the point where some keys are completely unreadable. It would be nice to have it looking all pristine again. -- Cheers, Ade. B-Racing, "B" where the action is! http://www.b-racing.com

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Looking for an old AT&T PC. (fwd)

by vcf＠siconic.com

Can anyone help Lance in his quest to complete his AT&T collection? Reply-to: <lbockelman(a)hotmail.com> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 00:02:56 -0600 From: Lance Bockelman <lbockelman(a)hotmail.com> To: vcf(a)vintage.org Subject: Looking for an old AT&T PC. Hello, I stumbled across your web page and found it very interesting. I am myself a collector of old computers and accessories. I am looking for a couple specific AT&T PC's and am wondering if you have come across any of them and would happen to know where I could find them. The models I need to complete my collection are: AT&T 6286 WGS and AT&T 6312 WGS. Any help or pointers you can give would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Lance Bockelman -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *

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T1000 Laptop Toshiba in Bangkok

by vcf＠siconic.com

Is anyone interested in a Toshiba T1000 laptop from Thailand? There's nothing particularly special about the T1000. It's Toshiba's second laptop (the T1100 was the first) and it's just a DOS machine. However, the term "laptop" was first used by Toshiba, and this line of machines is what was given that name. I just think it's cool that someone in Thailand wanted to donate a computer :) Reply-to: <wucharinton(a)hotmail.com> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2003 08:07:52 +0000 From: wuchrinton meephanlom <wucharinton(a)hotmail.com> Subject: T1000 Laptop Toshiba Dear Sirs, I had old Laptop T1000 Toshiba -FDD Single Density -512 KB Internal RAM -DOS 2.11 now Working well!!! form 1983-today Bey Meephanlom 209 Soi21 Ramkhamhaeng Road. Wantonglang, Bangkapi,Bangkok 10310 Thailand. Tel 669-5097531 -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *

23 years, 4 months

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System Industries 9900 controller

by rbenward＠parker.com

Anybody interested in a System Industries 9900 controller?? Email me at rbenward(a)parker.com Bob PLEASE NOTE: The preceding information may be confidential or privileged. It only should be used or disseminated for the purpose of conducting business with Parker. If you are not an intended recipient, please notify the sender by replying to this message and then delete the information from your system. Thank you for your cooperation.

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Epson QX-10 available in Norfolk, Virginia

by vcf＠siconic.com

See below. Reply-to: <95tstm(a)cox.net> -----Original Message----- From: Vintage Computer Festival [mailto:vcf@siconic.com] Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 9:45 PM To: David N. Griffiths Subject: Re: Computer donation On Mon, 6 Jan 2003, David N. Griffiths wrote: > Would you have any desire for a complete Epson QX-10 with software and > documentation? One of the floppy drives (A) works when it wants but > otherwise it's in good shape. Hi Dave. Where is it located? ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 10:26:37 -0500 From: David N. Griffiths <95tstm(a)cox.net> Subject: RE: Computer donation It is located here in Yorktown, Virginia, near Norfolk, Virginia. I also have the dot matrix printer for the QX-10. I've stored it within its original box in the garage since 1993. Cheers Dave -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *

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DEC Rainbow 100B available in Townsend, MA

by vcf＠siconic.com

Ward Clark has a Rainbow 100B available with manuals and software. Please contact him if interested. Reply-to: <ward(a)joyofmacs.com> -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *

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Apple Computer 1976

by cb＠mythtech.net

>I have a Apple Computer I purchased in 1976. I also have the printer. It >still works fine. Interested in selling. E-Mail me at gglass21(a)aol.com. I'll give you $25!.... oh, ok $30 since you have the printer... but you pay shipping ;-) -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Apple Computer 1976

by GGlass＠alldata.net

I have a Apple Computer I purchased in 1976. I also have the printer. It still works fine. Interested in selling. E-Mail me at gglass21(a)aol.com.

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FSOT: IBM 4869 external 5 1/4" floppy drive

by twin987＠yahoo.com

To whom it concerns, I am looking to find 1 maybe more external 5 1/4" floppy drives. Anyone with info please let me know. Mike twin987(a)yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

23 years, 4 months

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Early "open hw" projects (was Re: 32k boxen)

by lynne＠telemuse.net

Regarding your thread on NS32k designs (aug2002) to update. We showed off the 375 prototype at the VCF at NASA a few months back - it was a wirewrap and ran great. Also showed a production unit that also ran well. It was sold mostly in aerospace and government (which is why you don't see many owned by individuals nowadays). 386BSD was inspired by many SCS software innovations, including support functions. I passed on your kind words about the 375 to William. Regards, Lynne Jolitz.

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PDP8/S then GRI-909 and the perhaps a british machine called the Molecular?

by osmo.palonen＠pp.inet.fi

Hi, if I remember right, GRI-99 was the computer used in Dymo Graphics, called later Itek systems. Those were used for editorial and composing room text processing with "intelligent" VDU's with Z80 processors. There were a user Group for the European users of Itek systems in the 80's. The system was build in the USA, but I had no idea that the computer could have been British. I have used those systems by myself, but now studying history in the University of Tampere in Finland. Regards, Osmo Palonen

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More Ebay Insanity - TRS-80 for $1000!

by bobh＠tds.net

It looks like maybe the one has manuals included? I have a Model 1 buried in my computer "junk". I'll have to see if it still runs. I could use a grand after Christmas! > > From: "Chandra Bajpai" <cbajpai(a)attbi.com> > Date: 2003/01/06 Mon AM 06:32:16 CST > To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> > Subject: More Ebay Insanity - TRS-80 for $1000! > > OK.I'll be the first one to stay I don't understand Ebay. > > Case in question: 2 TRS-80 Model I, Expansion Interface + Disk drive > Very similar machines.but look at the price difference: >$700 (with 5 > hours left) > > VINTAGE TRS-80 MODEL 1 SYS w/ 2 DISK DRIVES > Current Bid - $255 > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem > <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=4193&item=208491 > 7980&rd=1> &category=4193&item=2084917980&rd=1 > > 1ST TRS-80 MODEL 1 COMPLETE DRIVE EXPANSION + > Current Bid: $1000 > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem > <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=4193&item=208521 > 7285&rd=1> &category=4193&item=2085217285&rd=1 > > > Why the insanity? Because the auction title says 'First'???? > > Here's one that's almost as good: > > TRS-80 Model I Keyboard/CPU only - closed at $232 > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem > <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2084247042> > &item=2084247042 > > > > >

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Heath MAC II

by steven.l.seto＠boeing.com

Joe: ...Did someone provide manual information? I use an MAC II and can probably give you some tips... Steve

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Timex/Sinclar 1000

by clarksd5＠bellsouth.net

I have a Timex/Sinclair 1000. Excellent condition, with manual and boxed memory plug-in. A little before my time....but I've held on to it. Any market for this ? David Clark Mobile AL USA

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TRS-80 fever on ebay?!

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 1/6/2003 7:05:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, jcwren(a)jcwren.com writes: << I have a '74 Barracuda that's being restored. The original 283 was tossed out into the dirt by the previous owner, and a 440 dropped in. During the restoration, I found a cracked piston skirt, so I had the engine rebuilt. We're looking for some adapter plates to put it on the dyno, but the desktop calculation says 475 HP at the crank. >> Actually, the original engine would have been a 318, maybe a 340. There was a 273, but was not in production in 1974. -- Antique Computer Virtual Museum www.nothingtodo.org

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Any Corvus collectors out there?

by shirsch＠adelphia.net

Hi, I'm new to this list and wondering how many Corvus collectors are out there. I have a fairly broad collection of hardware and software, including 3 or 4 (working!) Bank tape drives (complete with the rare-as-hens-teeth continuous loop cartridges). Other interests and collections: - Apple II and Apple /// - IBM RT/PC - AT&T 3B1 - Heath H11 - Intel MDS-800 - Asst. old CP/M boxen Steve

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Fwd: Xerox 8086 Worth?

by jss＠subatomix.com

Contact the original author, please. ---------- Begin forwarded message ---------- From: Sonny Helms <sonhel(a)cox.net> To: cctalk-admin(a)classiccmp.org Date: Friday, January 3, 2003, 9:13:23 AM Subject: Zerox 8086 I have an Zerox 8086 with monitor and keyboard and software and books. It worked last time I had it hooked up about a year ago. What would it be worth. ---------- End forwarded message ---------- -- Jeffrey Sharp

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Fwd: Commodore Stuff Available

by jss＠subatomix.com

Contact the original author, please. ---------- Begin forwarded message ---------- From: REO1805(a)aol.com <REO1805(a)aol.com> To: cc-admin(a)subatomix.com Date: Sunday, January 5, 2003, 7:54:47 AM Subject: commodore systems I have a commodore 128 (new condition as purchased in box) and a commodore 64c system (used but like new with box) also a commodore vic-20 manual if anyone should be interested ---------- End forwarded message ---------- -- Jeffrey Sharp

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11/03 system on eBay sold

by mbg＠TheWorld.com

>I've been wondering, ever since I got it a few years ago, what my >PDT-11/150 would go for on eBay. Same here... I've got a few with the EIS/FIS chip in them, maybe that qualifies them for 'L@@K, R@RE' :-) Megan

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Old ETCO catalogs

by aw288＠osfn.org

Some people might recognize the name ETCO - an old time surplus house that, like so many, died in the 1980/90s. Anyway, I found a few of their old catalogs, mostly from around 1982. I used to get these things, and had a good time paging thru these relics, looking up some of the crap I used to buy. Wow, if I could only go back and order more of those tubes... I am done with them...anyone want one for a retro-surplus half-hour good time? Available for postage - $2.00 ought to do it. William Donzelli aw288(a)osfn.org

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Apple //gs available in Hurst, Texas

by vcf＠siconic.com

To anyone interested in an Apple //gs, please contact Crew directly. Reply-to: <crew.r(a)charter.net> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 21:24:22 -0600 From: Reynolds <crew.r(a)charter.net> To: Vintage Computer Festival <vcf(a)siconic.com> Subject: RE: Apple II GS It's in Hurst, TX. I've got enough to boot it up, no docs. I might have one or two disks. -----Original Message----- From: Vintage Computer Festival [mailto:vcf@siconic.com] Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 8:46 PM To: Crew Reynolds Subject: Re: Apple II GS On Tue, 7 Jan 2003, Crew Reynolds wrote: > I've got an old II GS that's going in the dumper unless you want it. Can > you spring for shipping UPS ground? I'm guessing it will be about $18-20 > to ship. Hi Crew. Where is it located? What else do you have with it (i.e. documentation, software, etc.)? -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *

23 years, 4 months

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Busted Mac

by aw288＠osfn.org

I do not normally fix old micros, but I thought I would give this a try. It is an original 128K Mac, with lots of extra goodies. On power-up, I get a sick beep, a dead Mac icon, various pixels on the screen flicker after the screen test, and the code "048298". Not quite dead, but pretty close. What does this code mean? Also, can someone repost that trick for making a tool to get the case open? Thanks! William Donzelli aw288(a)osfn.org

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ADMIN: Coming Updates, Question (classiccmp)

by gil＠vauxelectronics.com

Hi Jeffrey: Some misc thoughts on classiccmp: When I joined the list, I chose cctech, to reduce the off-topic stuff a bit. However, When I posted a question to cctech, I missed most of the answers, since the folks were replying to cctalk. That was no good, so I joined cctalk instead, and get the extra stuff anyway. The idea of two lists seems ok, but to me the cctech seems kinda worthless. Perhaps it is fine for lurkers, but who wants to miss a reply when they post? Then the daily volume of emails got high, so I elected digest mode. The digest is nice and compact, but not easy to use. It would be great if the message list had clickable links to the messages below, but then it would need to be html or pdf, I suppose. And nobody really wants html mail (me included). Or, is it possible to make the subject lines of the digest messages bold (in the messages, not the initial digest list)? Perhaps the message number too? This way it would be easier to find the message when scrolling way down in the digest. It's just not simple to read the digest. But I suppose that can't work in plain text mode either. It is also not simple to reply to a digest message (cut other stuff out, change the subject...). How about a diffent kind of digest: is it possible for the email digest to have links to the web versions of the messages? Then the digest could reduce to just a daily list of links (and it is still plain-text email, with http... links). Read the email summary, click on a link, reply from a button in the browser window... IIRC, there is currently no way to reply while viewing a message in the browser. If we could do that, plus a daily digest of links, it would be quite easy to use. FWIW, gil On Mon Jan 6 01:34:10 2003, Jeffrey Sharp cctech(a)classiccmp.org wrote: > By the way, we now have exactly 720 subscribers. > > I would also like to hear (private email please) from subscribers with > comments for or against the current two-list system. Defense of the ... ;----------------------------------------------------------- ; vaux electronics, inc. 480-354-5556 ; http://www.vauxelectronics.com (fax: 480-354-5558) ;-----------------------------------------------------------

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ADMIN: Coming Updates, Question (classiccmp)

by dzubint＠vcn.bc.ca

On Mon Jan 6 01:34:10 2003, Jeffrey Sharp cctech(a)classiccmp.org wrote: > By the way, we now have exactly 720 subscribers. > > I would also like to hear (private email please) from subscribers with > comments for or against the current two-list system. Defense of the ... Please remember that there might also be people like myself... "lurkers" who do not subscribe to the list, but instead use the www.classiccmp.org website archives of the mailing list to actually read the stuff going on. In response to your question, I personally like the two list system. In your re-design of the website, please be aware that possibly *some* people may be using alternative browsers (ie: *NOT* MS-Internet Explorer) to access the site, so keeping the browser-specific features to a minimum would be really nice. (I personally use lynx (text browser) quite a bit from my VT320 terminal!) Thomas Dzubin

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ADMIN: Coming Updates, Question (classiccmp)

by loedman1＠juno.com

As I have sent the evil Gates creation, Internet (Blue Screen of Death) Explorer to the trash bin and purchased a copy of Opera, I must heartily agree with this suggestion Rich >In your re-design of the website, please be aware that possibly >*some* people may be using alternative browsers (ie: *NOT* MS-Internet >Explorer) to access the site, so keeping the browser-specific features >to a minimum would be really nice.

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./ does the Reuters article... :(

by bpope＠wordstock.com

All, Slashdot *finally* ran something about the Reuters article at http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=technologyNews&storyID=1991627 but they feel the need to slam the classiccmp site in the same breath :(! Check it out at http://slashdot.org/articles/03/01/06/0040259.shtml?tid=137 Cheers, Bryan

23 years, 4 months

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11/03 system on eBay sold

by jpl15＠panix.com

Are y'all ready for *this*?? Somebody bought that fairly bare-bones 11/03 with no HD, a DSD dual RX02 clone, and some kind of I/O board (maybe ADC/DAC??) and a ratty old VT100 w/no keyboard for... $449.44 whew. Ain't Capitalism grand? Wonder what a pristine 11/23 would go for... down payment on a bobtail with a liftgate, maybe??? Cheerz John

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Epson manual needed

by classiccmp＠crash.com

Richard A Cini writes: . > Over the vacation I dug out my Seiko/Epson 486 computer. It's a POS > (point-of-sale) computer that I bought from Timeline two years ago I picked up the same unit in early '99 for $100 or so, from Timeline. Wanted to use it as the always-on DNS/NIS/X10 host for the house. It's really a nice little single-board PC in a small box with 2.5" IDE HDD, floppy, ISA slot and maybe one other. Haven't used it in a while - looks like the "CMOS battery" is dead/flat and it won't listen to the PS/2 keyboard as a result. Weird... I do have the paper docs, but the question is where... Also, it's one small perfect-bound booklet, not terribly amenable to scanning. Is there something specific you need info on? --S.

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Hi

by kendonchatz＠yahoo.com

New member here, just trying to see what this is all about, I have some dinosaurs in my basement that need new homes! Ken --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now

23 years, 4 months

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Loch NeXT Monster

by nashbucket＠iname.com

Battery replacement instructions for NeXTCube and Dimension are provided in the User's Reference. But I own a NeXTstation N1100 equipped with a decade-old battery and whose screen went dark during use. Powering down and rebooting were normal, except for the dark screen. According to the User's Reference, the screen problem suggests a weak battery, whose replacement must be performed by a dealer, in spite of the ease of access. I replaced the battery and hoped for the best, but now the system doesn't boot past the flashing of the keyboard lights. Obviously, the battery-maintained parameter settings in the PRAM have been lost. Since Mac people developed the NeXTstation, I think I need to zap the PRAM by holding down a key combo during bootup. But I may also need to reinstall the system software, which I don't have. If you can assist my recovery with instructions, a service manual, and/or a NeXTSTEP 3.0 CDROM, please contact 'Buck' at nashbucket(a)iname.com. -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup Meet Singles http://corp.mail.com/lavalife

23 years, 4 months

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Anyone need old RAM?

by vcf＠siconic.com

If so, contact Hank. Reply-to: <hstaffa(a)ram-it.com> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 10:50:32 -0700 From: Hank Staffa <hstaffa(a)ram-it.com> To: vcf(a)vintage.org Subject: Question Do you have a need I have boxes of old memory upgrades starting with sipp modules. Does your organization have a use for these? Hank Staffa Rocky Mountain Ram 1-800-543-0932 www.ram-it.com -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *

23 years, 4 months

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New to list

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

>From: "Matthew Sell" <msell(a)ontimesupport.com> > >Jimbo, > > >What type of vintage games? > >Console or (gulp) coin-operated? > >I collect coin operated vintage games - Atari and Bally/Midway. Hi I collect pins. The newer ones are computers. Most of mine are from the late 70's ti early 80's. I guess that makes them vintage compters, as well. Dwight > >Oh - and vintage compters, of course : ) > > > > - Matt > > > >At 05:55 PM 1/3/2003 -0600, you wrote: >>Hi >>I'm also new to the list. I'm actually more of a collector of Vintage >>Video Game Systems but Collector computers has always interested me. >> >>Thanks >>-Jimbo >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: cctalk-admin(a)classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-admin@classiccmp.org] >>On Behalf Of C. Murray McCullough >>Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 3:58 PM >>To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org >>Subject: New to list >> >>Hi >> >> new to list >> >>Murray-- > > > >Matthew Sell >Programmer >On Time Support, Inc. >www.ontimesupport.com >(281) 296-6066 > >Join the Metrology Software discussion group METLIST! >http://www.ontimesupport.com/subscribe_t&c.html. > > >"One World, One Web, One Program" - Microsoft Promotional Ad >"Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Fuhrer" - Adolf Hitler > >Many thanks for this tagline to a fellow RGVAC'er...

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DECmate II

by RITA.WISDOM＠tccd.edu

Do you still need the system diskette for the DEC II? I have several system diskettes, but I also have about 15-18 data diskettes that I would like to retrieve the data from. Perhaps we can exchange favors for each other. Let me know if you're interested. Thanks! Rita Wisdom Writing Center 817-515-6936

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DEC 11/03 on eBay

by fm.arnold＠gmx.net

>>John Lawson wrote: > >> An interesting 11/03 system, has twin DSD 8" drives, and some kind of >> DSD data acquisition card (A/D D/A???) dunno can't see enough detail in >> the pics. >> Seller seems to be rather.... well, 'scattered'.... ;} >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2084606280&category=4193 >> Cheers >> John > >Jerome Fine replies: > >Seller also seems to has used an out-of-focus set of shots to blur >any damage. > >At the current price of $ US 9.99, that would seem to be about >the limit as far as value is concerned. I would not have him power >things on - too much risk. > Well, today we learned that the value is US $449,44. Most amazing. I realley wonder, which components make up this value, especialley since this seems to be more or less untested, lacking the CPU-frontbezel and the cables. My guess was this would raise between 100 and 150. How wrong I was... Oh by the way, I'm still looking for a VT132, anyone who likes to get rid of such one? Frank Arnold

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what a bargain!

by julesrichardsonuk＠yahoo.co.uk

Saw a Spectrum +2 at a car boot sale this morning, complete with label as follows: Sinclair Computer (Works with any monitor or TV) All games etc. 75 pounds I spent a while trying to figure out where they'd missed the decimal point . I actually felt like haggling just to see what the lowest price they were prepared to offer! "but it doesn't have a box!" "Oh, OK, have it for 65 pounds then" :-) Jules __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page >from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com

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Looking 4...

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jan 4, 12:36, Philip Pemberton wrote: > pete(a)dunnington.u-net.com wrote: > > MEK is indeed methyl ethyl ketone, aka butanone. [...] > Just out of interest, how does it compare with acetone? Acetone: TLV 1000ppm Butanone: TLV 200ppm IPA: TLV 300ppm BUT please note these figures vary from authority to authority because of differing regulations in different countries, and are sometimes revised in the light of research or experience. The figures I've given are from the Chemical Society in the UK, and US values may differ. Also, TLV says nothing about what the effects of excessive exposure might be, nor about other hazards (fire, caustic effects, etc). > > Like IPA, acetone (nail > > varnish remover), methylated sprit, etc, it's fairly flammable. > Er, fairly flammable? From the reports I've read, it's worse than petrol > (unleaded, LRP, take your pick). Actually it's somewhat harder to ignite than petrol, and harder than acetone. Petrol contains a number of fractions some of which are more volatile than MEK. From memory (because I don't have any figures handy) about 5%-10% of petrol is a fraction with BP around 20C-30C, and about 25% with BP in the range 30C-50C. Boiling Point of acetone is 56C, MEK is 80C. Petrol is rated as "extremely flammable", as are diethyl ether and petroleum ether; acetone, MEK, and IPA are all "highly flammable", as are ethanol and methanol. And if you want the TLV, it's 500ppm (that's without the nasty additives). > > BTW, the acetic acid given off > > by curing RTV is rated as 10-50 times more toxic than MEK :-) > Hmm... Acetic acid: TLV 10ppm TLV (threshold limit value) is a time-weighted average concentration to which a worker can be exposed day after day without adverse effect. > I've just found a page that lists some solvents and their uses - > http://www.seahawkpaints.com/solvents.html > It lists Xylene as being usable for epoxy and polyurethane resin removal. > Hmm... Shame the only source of xylene I have is the stuff mixed with > varnish in my Electrolube "CPL" lacquer pen. You can get it from some trade paint suppliers as it's used as a thinner for some epoxy paints. And of course from any industrial or laboratory chemical supplier, of which there are several in Yorkshire. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Looking 4...

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

>From: Tothwolf <tothwolf(a)concentric.net> > ---snip--- > >Those Lithium cells are also *very* toxic/dangerous. I think I'd be more Hi I always thought that lithium batteries main advantage was that they were not particularly toxiic and relatively safe for the environment. Exposing the insides of a lithium battery to air or water can cause a fire. Most of these batteries have used up the un-reacted lithium, that is why they're being replaced. Dwight >worried about accidentally cutting into it with a Dremel than I'd be about >MEK handled safely under proper conditions. > >-Toth >

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Apologies from the flake

by mhstein＠canada.com

My apologies to everyone who's waiting to hear >from me about stuff I've offered on the list (Philip, Ernest, Rich, Don, Jeff, Sellam, Cameron, and any others I haven't thought of yet). I've been going through some difficulties, one aspect of which is losing most of my memory (and let me tell ya, that's WEIRD), but I do have all of it stored in the computer and hope to go through it real soon now. However, if those of you who haven't given up on me completely could send me a quick note reminding me of what we talked about, it would help a lot. Once again, my apologies, and a new year full of exciting finds to you all! mike

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Looking for small NS32000 system

by classiccmp＠crash.com

Heinz Wolter wrote: . > I always wanted one of those systems - when I was > in school - Natsemi was pushing those Genix/unix > kits like crazy to all the undergrads My entanglement also dates from later in college, in my case well after most of the NS32k's general purpose CPU success ('89-90). I was noodling around with the notion of building something capable of running Unix and someone pointed me at the 32k as something VAX-like that could be obtained in DIP packaging (the 32008 or 32016, at least). > but they turned out to be seriously expensive and > the early 32K parts were severely buggy I can see that others have already stepped up to this one, so since I can't speak from direct experience... --S.

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Jay West???

by jimw＠agora.rdrop.com

...what's your current email address??? (sorry for banging the list with this, but...) -jim --- jimw(a)agora.rdrop.com The Computer Garage - http://www.rdrop.com/~jimw

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Re Intercolors, was pdp 9 control storage

by Innfogra＠aol.com

In a message dated 1/6/03 8:49:43 AM Pacific Standard Time, xds_sigma7(a)hotmail.com writes: > Does this mean I should feel bad/dumb for having thrown like 8 or so of them > > in the dumpster a year or two ago? > You should have at least without pulled the cardcage. Some of those had full Z80 system cards inside the small STD bus like cardcage. I also sold a couple of the keyboards, one through ePay and the other through the list. They are hard to come by. Paxton Astoria, OR

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PDP9 Control Store on eBay

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

>a few 6502 books, and some interesting Intecolor graphics terminals: Does this mean I should feel bad/dumb for having thrown like 8 or so of them in the dumpster a year or two ago? Will J _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM: Try the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

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What am I missing here?

by Robert_Feldman＠jdedwards.com

Just click on the "Bid History" link to the right og the number of bids. You will see (with some interpretation) that the winner put in a bid of $1000 on 01/02, when the current high was $150. There were then six other bids that ran the total up to the $1,000 limit. The last bid was also $1000, but the winner's $1000 took precedence, since it was earlier. -----Original Message----- From: J.C.Wren [mailto:jcwren@jcwren.com] Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2003 6:54 PM To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Subject: RE: What am I missing here? I don't know how this would work, because when you place a bid on eBay, it will only show the amount necessary to beat a previous bid. Which means if this guy is running in $10 increments, someone had $990 on it. <snip>

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More Ebay Insanity - TRS-80 for $1000!

by cbajpai＠attbi.com

OK.I'll be the first one to stay I don't understand Ebay. Case in question: 2 TRS-80 Model I, Expansion Interface + Disk drive Very similar machines.but look at the price difference: >$700 (with 5 hours left) VINTAGE TRS-80 MODEL 1 SYS w/ 2 DISK DRIVES Current Bid - $255 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=4193&item=208491 7980&rd=1> &category=4193&item=2084917980&rd=1 1ST TRS-80 MODEL 1 COMPLETE DRIVE EXPANSION + Current Bid: $1000 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=4193&item=208521 7285&rd=1> &category=4193&item=2085217285&rd=1 Why the insanity? Because the auction title says 'First'???? Here's one that's almost as good: TRS-80 Model I Keyboard/CPU only - closed at $232 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2084247042> &item=2084247042

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Looking 4...

by Robert_Feldman＠jdedwards.com

IIRC, Testors plastic solvent cement (available at most hobby shops) is mainly MEK. Testors makes several "flavors" of solvent cement, so just check the label to make sure. -----Original Message----- From: Tothwolf [mailto:tothwolf@concentric.net] Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2003 3:30 AM To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: Looking 4... <snip> MEK = Methyl Ethyl Ketone (C4H8O)? Is it actually obtainable for most folks? I thought it was regulated since it is so toxic and dangerous? Personally, I think I'd take safety precautions while working with the stuff... -Toth

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http://hardware.localhost.nl

by sjaak＠freebsd.nl

Hi!, The site, http://hardware.localhost.nl contains pictures of computing and networking hardware. We've also got a small collection of all kinds of old hardware. As most of you are probally the owners of old, exotic and cool hardware, a contribution would be greatly appreciated by sending in your pictures! Anyway, drop by and have a look. ;) Greetings, -- +-------- - -- - | Sjaak Jobses <sjaak(a)freebsd.nl> | | Free hot hardware pr0n - http://hardware.localhost.nl +---- - --- -- -- - PS. I'm also looking for people willing to set up a mirror in the US.

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Macintosh LC III needs home

by vcf＠siconic.com

Reply-to: <Shinobi3673(a)aol.com> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 05:23:47 EST From: Shinobi3673(a)aol.com To: donate(a)vintage.org Subject: Macintosh LC III I have a Macintosh LC III & image writer II printer would this be of interest to your organisation? if not can you make a suggestion besides throw away? -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *

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Subject: Re: substitute for TI TIL306/307 Display?

by fm.arnold＠gmx.net

>From: Joe <rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com> >Reply-To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org >To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org >Subject: Re: substitute for TI TIL306/307 Display? >Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 17:00:23 > > The 306/307s also have built in BCD decoders. I've been trying to find >a data sheet on the 311 so that I can see what the difference is between it >and the 306/307. > > >http://www-s.ti.com/sc/ds/til306.pdf >http://www-s.ti.com/sc/ds/til308.pdf >http://www-s.ti.com/sc/ds/til311.pdf Hi, TIL306/7 is a decadecounter, latch, dekoder+driver and led-bar display, and has a puls-input to the counter. TIl308/9 is a latch, dekoder+driver and led-bar display, and has BCD-inputs for data to be displayed. 306 and 308 are identical in its display-dimensions and aparance, the function differs however. To use a TIL 308 as a replacement for a 306 you will need to add externalley somewhere a 7490 decade-counter between the original circuit and the TIL308. I have a few TIL308 available, if this rework is feasable to you. TIl310/1 is a latch, dekoder+driver and led-pixel display, and has BCD-inputs for data to be displayed. Thisone also needs an external 7490 counter in your usage, on top of that, the display has a different appearance. Someone else could have those for you. So, choose the alternative that best suits you, I would continue to search for the original TIL306, or change the whole display to something else althogether. HTH Frank Arnold

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KayPro Daisywheel Printer Ribbon - Juki 6100

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jan 5, 21:19, Mike Davis wrote: > Anyone know what type of ribbon the KayPro Letter Quality printer > (daisywheel; Juki 6100) uses? I have one without a ribbon or even a > used ribbon cassette for comparrison. > > Is there a ribbon that is currently made that works with this > printer? If so, where can it be obtained? I don't know if you can still get them -- I expect you can -- but I can tell you that the ribbon for a Juki 6100 is an IBM 82 compatible multistrike or single-strike ribbon cassette, same as is used on an IBM Selectric II. I used to use multistrike carbon, but you could also get multistrike fabric and single-strike carbon. Fabric, however, tends to clog the character petals after a while. I no longer have a 6100 nor the user manual but I do have the technical service manual. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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(no subject)

by ludedude25＠juno.com

Was this your post? http://www.classiccmp.org/pipermail/cctalk/2002-July/003413.html For Sale or Trade Commodore C-64 computers, 1571 drives, and 1701 (I think) color monitors. If so how much did you want for these items above? or what were you looking for , for a trade?

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Compaq SLT/286

by dwright6＠twcny.rr.com

Mr.Hall I don't anything in tha way of documentation.......but i have navigated tha system quite a bit..........i have installed ms-dos 6.22 and games made for dos and early windows versions..........ask me question.....mebbe i've been down that road already? ;)

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need some help....

by archivesoftware＠celebritydirect.net

Hello ~ I was a long-time member of this list, and am a long time collector of classic computers. I've been away from most internet forums and collecting computers in general for several years, but am finally getting back into it. Want to say hello to those that I used to gather so much information from... and hello to the many new acquaintances I look forward to visiting with. Today I was in a "flea market" browsing a pretty good collection of classic game consoles and coimputers, and discovered something I had never seen before. It was a cream-colored unit, with an integrated keyboard and monitor. Size could be considered small.... probably half the size of a TRS-80 model 4... or smaller. No disk drives were present. I believe it was called a Scoutset ??? I also think it was made by Temat and had a model # of HE 415-B . I could be wrong on all of that information, however... but it was something similar. I have a sneaking suspicion this is some type of early word processor, but am unsure. Has anyone seen this before, or have any information on it? Would it be worth picking up? Thank you! Sincerely, CORD G. COSLOR ----- | Celebrity Direct Entertainment | PO Box 494314 * Port Charlotte, FL 33949 | (941) 625-1649 | www.CelebrityDirect.net * CDE(a)CelebrityDirect.net get paid to read e-mail! click here => http://www.sendmoreinfo.com/id/2329372

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Need Apple Super Serial Card manual online(?)

by vcf＠siconic.com

I've Googled a bit but can't seem to find it. Maybe it's out there, maybe not. Maybe you know where? I'm trying to find an online copy of the Apple Super Serial Card manual. I have a physical copy but it's lost in some box somewhere that I haven't turned up yet :( If you know where a copy might be online, could you please let me know? Thanks! -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *

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NEXTSTEP 3.3 availability?

by sunderwo＠knox.edu

I have been working on getting a NeXT slab that came into my possession into working order since last summer, but have been unable to find a copy of NEXTSTEP to get installed on the system other than the copies Black Hole sells. Black Hole isn't an option for me - I don't think I'll have a spare US$300 laying around for at least a few more years. So does anyone know of a place where I could find a copy of the operating system? Original CD's would be nice, but I would be happy with ISO's, too. Thanks -Bastian --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus]

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New to list

by cmurray＠eagle.ca

Hi new to list Murray--

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Acetone container swelling; safe to keep? (was: Looking 4...)

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 1/5/2003 9:42:22 AM Eastern Standard Time, rdd(a)rddavis.org writes: << Speaking of Acetone, I noticed that an old metal container of it that I have keeps swelling up and creasing the metal a bit after it's reclosed, and vapors hiss out of it when it's opened. The container is slightly rusty, and probably only about six or seven years old. Is this anything to be concerned about? -- Copyright (C) 2002 R. D. Davis >> uh, you think? Since it's rusting, you've got leaks on the way I'm sure. It's cheap enough to replace instead of replacing whatever it damages will would cost more. -- Antique Computer Virtual Museum www.nothingtodo.org

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Collectors in Hong Kong?

by vcf＠siconic.com

I've been contacted by someone at CNN International and they want to do a story on someone that collects old computers in Hong Kong. Does anyone have any computer collecting contacts there by any chance? VCF Hong Kong has a nice ring to it ;) -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *

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Xerox 820 II available in Ottawa

by vcf＠siconic.com

Here's a nice Xerox 820 II system available in Ottawa, Canada. Please reply to original sender. Reply-to: <buch(a)sympatico.ca> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2003 21:24:40 -0800 From: Friedrich Buch <buch(a)sympatico.ca> Subject: Vintage Computer Hi! I have a still-functioning Xerox 820 II with a double, external 5.25" disk drive. I bought it in 1982, retired it a long time ago, but it is still in good condition. I also have a Xerox 620 daisywheel printer to go with it. Paid approx. $15,000 at the time. I just cannot get myself to throw it away. I would be glad to get it a new home. It still has CPM as operating software. If interested, contact: Friedrich Buch buch(a)sympatico.ca or friedrich.buch(a)pc.gc.ca Tel: (613) 234-5885 (Ottawa, Canada) Claim everything, concede nothing; and, if defeated, allege fraud. Machiavelli, The Prince -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *

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Amstrad PPC640

by noahfox＠mac.com

To whom it may concern, I am interested in buying or renting the Amstrad PPC640 for a movie called ETERNAL SUNSHINE OF THE SPOTLESS MIND Staring Jim Carrey and Kate Winslet. The movie tells the story of a couple who have elected to rid themselves of their memories of on another by a machine. Noah Fox

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Looking for small NS32000 system

by jmkatcher＠yahoo.com

I've been looking for a Symmetric 375, but those seem to be rare as hen's teeth. Does anyone have something like a Whitechapel MG1 or a Tektronix 6130/4132 looking for a new home? Jeffrey Katcher jmkatcher(a)yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

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Re.: Computers stored in barn; questions answered

by cmurray＠eagle.ca

R. D. Davis wrote: Are these stored in an area where the temperature doesn't get too cold, e.g., where there are a lot of 4-legged space heaters :-), or in a part of the barn where temperatures vary more? How do you prevent damage to the systems from rodents, dampness, birds and spiders, etc.? Hopefully these systems aren't stored near any cedar shavings used for stall bedding, as the fumes from the plicatic (sp?) acid in the cedar can damage any copper used in circuit boards, etc. Does anyone know if the abietic acid in pine shavings/dust causes similar problems? R. D. - I don't use cedar or pine shavings, just plain wheat straw. The temperature varies across the year. The computers are in wooden boxes, not cedar or pine, and the inside is covered with a black plastic that rodents don't chew on. They have been in the barn since the summer of 1987. I think they're all intact. Have to see this summer. Murray--

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Acetone container swelling; safe to keep?

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jan 5, 15:45, quapla(a)xs4all.nl wrote: > Use a plastic or a glass bottle. If there is a sparc next time you open it > it may fry your eyebrows and/or hair!. NOT plastic. Acetone, MEK, toluene, and many other organic solvents are sometimes supplied in 1-litre pastic containers but should not be kept in plastic for long-term storage. Even polythene bottles will be damaged in the long term -- they go brittle as the plasticisers are leached out. Such things are normally kept in glass bottles for small quantities, say up to 500ml, or metal tins for a litre or more. >On Jan 5, 10:08, R. D. Davis wrote: > > Speaking of Acetone, I noticed that an old metal container of it that > > I have keeps swelling up and creasing the metal a bit after it's > > reclosed, and vapors hiss out of it when it's opened. The container > > is slightly rusty, and probably only about six or seven years old. Is > > this anything to be concerned about? Is it kept somewhere warm? It should be kept cool (no more than 68deg F). If it's reasonably pure acetone, I can't think of any reaction it should have with steel or tin, so I guess what you're noticing is evaporation causing a slight pressure buildup in the can. Unless it's contaminated -- it doesn't co-exist well with some other solvents (such as chloroform) and moderately strong oxidising agents, or some catalysts (including some forms of carbon). If it's rusting, then you should probably replace the can before it becomes weak enough to leak. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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substitute for TI TIL306/307 Display?

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

At 01:18 AM 1/4/03 -0600, you wrote: > >I have the datasheet for the 311 in pdf format if you'd like me to email >it to you. The 311 has a built-in BCD decoder, but not a counter, like the >306/307. I need the counter function but I'd like a copy of the PDF anyway. > >> > I'll make a note to check a couple of my local surplus dealers over >> > the next few weeks. If I find any TIL306 displays, I'll pick them up. >> > Should I also hunt for any 307s? >> >> 306's or 307s will work equally well. The one difference between them is >> that one has the decimal point to the left of the digit and the other >> has the dp on the right. My unit doesn't use the decimal points so >> either display will work fine. > >Ok, thats what I wanted to be sure of. Often devices didn't use the >decimal points, but I didn't want to assume that was the case. > >> > If all else fails, would it be possible to salvage your displays? I've >> > carefully ground back ceramic and plastic on other dip components to >> > attach replacement leads in the past, but it isn't a fun task... >> >> It's possible but all the leads on them are weak and I'd probably have >> to eventually replace ALL the leads. > >Been there, done that. I have a pile of early 74244s and other 7400 series >logic chips that have nearly nothing left of their leads due to the foam >that were stored in for roughly 15-20 years. Same here. I squirreled away a lot of parts over the years but found that many of them were damaged due to the foam. Fortunately I've get some pretty good scrap sources and I've been finding lots of military grade cards with socketed ICs in the last couple of years so I've been picking them up and pulling the ICs and storing them in parts cabinets. I've amassed a huge stock in just the last year. I was also lucky last year and picked up a good number of parts cabinets that have all the drawers made out of anti-static material. I had been keeping the parts in anti-static foam for AS protestion but now I don't have to. .Thankfully, the TIL311s and >most of the other chips that came in the same batch of parts didn't have >the same problem, though their leads had to be cleaned. I have a fair number of 308 and 311 displays that I've pulled from cards and the local surplus place has plenty of them but the 306/307s seem to be scarce. Joe > >-Toth >

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New finds

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

>3) Tektronix 7854 Waveform Calculator .. looks to be a part of something > else, what I have is just a pad with a bunch of buttons and a cable > with a DB-25M on the end. I'm also willing to sell this. > $ free Sounds like you got the keyboard that goes with a Tek 7854 scope. With the keyboard you can use the scope to do some calculations based on the measurements that it's reading. I think the keyboards are a bit scarce. Probably worth a few bucks to someone that needs one or on E-bay. Joe

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A bit more about me...

by cmurray＠eagle.ca

Hi all, Sorry about the short intro. A bit more: I' a computer teacher; been in the business since 1970 when i learned COBOL programming in Toronto. I earned a BA and BEd and taught ESL in Africa and Asia. My first computer was CompuPro and the Intercept Jr. 6100. Sorry to say they're no longer active as they're in storage in the barn. I raise horses. The computer I still use from vintage era is the Coleco ADAM. Us Adamites keep are favorite machine running despite its early orphan status. I now have an 800 Mhz. Celeron machine. I wrote a book called "A Historical Research Guide to the Microcomputer" which covers the 4/8 bit era as a supplementary paper for my PhD. I try to follow what's happening out there but I'm afraid I have limited time. Too busy!!! A great excuse... Murray--

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Eagle Computer needs new home

by vcf＠siconic.com

Reply-to: <bobk1(a)cox.net> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 22:34:35 -0700 From: bobk1 <bobk1(a)cox.net> Subject: Eagle Computer I have an original Eagle Computer with this huge external ( as in big goofy looking box ) 10 megabyte winchester hard drive, 5 1/4 " floppy and documentation. It stills fires up under MS DOS and I believe it has an original version of Lotus 123 on it and maybe word perfect. It's been so long I dont even know whats there. Who knows it may even have some vintage porn on it.. Any interest? What is it worth? -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *

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Config info on HP1000 memory?

by glenslick＠hotmail.com

Memory locations 000000 and 000001 are the A and B registers, so if they work ok that might not say anything about the state of main memory. I don't believe memory location 000002 is mapped to anything special though. >From: James Willing <jimw(a)agora.rdrop.com> > >Memory locations 0-2 seem to be OK, but anything above that Bit 3 is >stuck on. Tried multiple memory boards - same results. Thinking I >should find/make a new ribbon cable to try. Or could the memory >controller be funky? _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963

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New Garage Sale item... sorta kinda...

by jimw＠agora.rdrop.com

kinda sorta... <G> Anyone need/have a use for Honeywell M4260 disk cartridges? Look to be about 8 inches in diameter, enclosed square case. Looks like a 'slide in' type drive. With dust covers/cases. Appear to be in good condition, but I have nothing that will use them. Have six of them. $2.50/ea + shipping -jim --- jimw(a)agora.rdrop.com The Computer Garage - http://www.rdrop.com/~jimw

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OS/2 manuals

by cb＠mythtech.net

Is there any interest or value in OS/2 manuals? I have a few OS/2 boxes, and I am pretty sure the software is MIA (never had it, I pulled the stuff from a dumpster long ago). I have decided I don't want to continue to take up the shelf space, so I am trying to find out if there is any interest in these kinds of things or should I just send them back to the dumpster. I don't want to go thru the effort of pulling the stuff out and listing it if there is no interest (the last few items I've offered no one wanted, guess I really DO just have junk). I don't currently know what manuals, or to what versions of OS/2 they go (that is the step I am trying to avoid if there is no interest... I just don't feel like having yet another pile of crap under my desk until I get takers or get sick of waiting). And of course, I would LOVE to find out that OS/2 manuals are worth money... saving for a house when on an already strained budget is a bitch! -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

23 years, 4 months

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Looking 4...

by netsurfer_x1＠fastmailbox.net

Anybody have a Compaq SLT/286 or a GRiDCase 3 that they want to get rid of for cheap? -- David Vohs netsurfer_x1(a)fastmailbox.net -- http://fastmail.fm - Or how I learned to stop worrying and love email again

23 years, 4 months

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GRiDCase 3 & GEOS.

by netsurfer_x1＠fastmailbox.net

Pretty soon I'll be in posession of a GRiDCase 3. I was wondering if it would be a good idea to try to run GEOS on it. Is this a good idea, or should I slap myself for saying something stupid? -- David Vohs netsurfer_x1(a)fastmailbox.net -- http://fastmail.fm - Sent 0.000002 seconds ago

23 years, 4 months

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Craig Electronics

by evan947＠yahoo.com

Does anyone on this list know whatever became of Craig Electronics, the Compton, Calif.-based calculator giant of the 1960s and 1970s? Specifically I'm looking for names of high-level people who worked there, or if the company was acquired by someone else, etc. - Evan Koblentz __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

23 years, 4 months

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Selling black Bell & Howell Apple ][+

by MTPro＠aol.com

Happy New Year. Before I put this up on eBay, anyone seriously interested? I'm willing to sell it more reasonably here to someone, please just e-mail me an offer. The system has a black B & H floppy drive. Has 16k upgrade to 64K. Floppy controller. Boots and tested fine to an Apple /// monitor. Excellent condition. I am also about to sell a seemingly rare portable terminal / printer. A 1978 Execuport 4000 attache' size portable data communication terminal. Very nice with acoustic coupler on back, sleek with detachable plastic shroud to cover keyboard. Includes small user's manual dated 8/19/78 printing. Value? Offers? Here's some pictures: http://members.aol.com/mtpro/exec.html Thank you, David David Greelish Classic Computing www.classiccomputing.com "classiccomputing" on eBay

23 years, 4 months

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Config info on HP1000 memory?

by jimw＠agora.rdrop.com

In severe HP mode this week... <G> Does anyone have at hand the information for configuring HP memory boards 12747H and/or 12749H for use in an HP1000 (2117F) computer??? I (finally) have signs of life from the computer, but it does not see any of the memory and I'm going bonkers cycling randomly thru permutations on the DIP switches!!! Unfortnately, in the online archive of the HP1000/e/f/m Engineering Reference Set, section II (covering memory) is missing, as well as sections III, IV, and VIIII. (other relevant parts) AARGH! <G> Thanks!; -jim --- jimw(a)agora.rdrop.com The Computer Garage - http://www.rdrop.com/~jimw

23 years, 4 months

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New to list (Boeing B-29)

by loedman1＠juno.com

No, but if you locate two of them I will take one if you pay shipping to Napa, Ca Rich >Here's more of a challenge: >Anybody here have a lead on a Boeing B-29 Superfortress for sale or rescue ? >I'd be happy with an RB- or KB- variant as well. A B-50 or TU-4 wouldn't be bad, either. >you can always ask....

23 years, 4 months

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TIL311s

by Ed_Chiodo＠compuserve.com

4-Jan-04 Plenty of TIL311 ICs on hand (one of my favorites!), but a bit different >from the 306/307s you seek. I have the 311 datasheets if you care to investigate the necessary 'tanslation' work. BR/EC Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 17:00:23 To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org From: Joe <rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com> Subject: Re: substitute for TI TIL306/307 Display? Reply-To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org At 06:01 PM 1/1/03 -0600, you wrote: >On Wed, 1 Jan 2003, Joe wrote: >> At 10:51 PM 12/31/02 -0600, you wrote: >> >On Tue, 31 Dec 2002, Joe wrote: >> > >> > > Does anyone know of another display that can be substituted for the >> > > TIL 306/307? Here is a data sheet for the 306/307 in case you have a >> > > question about it, <www.alltronics.com/download/TIL306.pdf>. >> > >> > I don't know of an exact replacement offhand, but I thought these were >> > still in production? >> >> Are they? I think mine are about 25 years old. FWIW I went looking for >> some at a large local surplus store and found one that I think is >> prototype. It's built out of clear material instead of red and is marked >> TIXL306 and is date coded 7204 (almost 31 years old!). I went through >> several boxs and THOUSANDs of displays and only found one standard 306 >> and the one prototype. >> >> > How many of these displays are you looking for? I believe I still have >> > a few in my parts bin... >> >> In addition to the one that I found in the store I need three of them. >> Mine were in sockets and the dissimilar metal corrosion has eaten off at >> least one leg off of each of mine. > >Oops, I have TIL311s, not the 306. I was thinking that the 311s were still >in production. I guess the 311 with a built-in BCD controller must still >be useful in current products. The 306/307s also have built in BCD decoders. I've been trying to find a data sheet on the 311 so that I can see what the difference is between it and the 306/307.

23 years, 4 months

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Looking 4...

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jan 4, 10:06, Philip Pemberton wrote: > Tothwolf wrote: > > MEK = Methyl Ethyl Ketone (C4H8O)? Is it actually obtainable for most > > folks? I thought it was regulated since it is so toxic and dangerous? > > Personally, I think I'd take safety precautions while working with the > > stuff... > I've heard of it being used to nuke potting compound. Should work on an RTC, > but it'll probably rip up the screenprint on the caphat at the same time. I > don't have any MEK, nor do I want any - a bit of hacking (in the literal > sense) with a craft knife/Dremel should get the caphat off. MEK is indeed methyl ethyl ketone, aka butanone. It's not particularly toxic, nor particularly dangerous -- very roughly on a par with iso-propyl alcohol, and less dangerous than some solvents that have been mentioned on this list for use on plastics. It's used industrially to "weld" ABS and PVC, as a cleaner in the printing industry, as a degreasing agent, to clean equipment used for plastic foam (including cans of the expanding urethane foam filler used in the building industry), and as a constituent of some plastic glues. It will dissolve most ink and some paints. Like IPA, acetone (nail varnish remover), methylated sprit, etc, it's fairly flammable. It will attack a lot of plastics, but not most epoxies (once properly cured) or "waxy" plastics like polythene. The effect on potting compund will depend on the compound, but it will make some types of RTV (Room Temperature Vulcanising compound) "silicone" swell and eventually make some types crumbly. BTW, the acetic acid given off by curing RTV is rated as 10-50 times more toxic than MEK :-) -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

23 years, 4 months

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New to list

by julesrichardsonuk＠yahoo.co.uk

> Here's more of a challenge: > Anybody here have a lead on a Boeing B-29 Superfortress for sale or rescue ? I believe there's one in my local air museum, along with a B52. Sneaking them past the security guards might be a bit tricky though - they don't exactly fit in back pockets :-) I have a few leads to chase up on the WWII fire control computer now, from various sources, so a bit of progress is being made. Thanks to those on the list who replied! cheers Jules __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page >from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com

23 years, 4 months

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Some old computer systemsof interest

by Joel.E.Bradley＠syntegra.com

Greg, Are you sure you want to get rid of your SX-64 and not do 'this' to it??? http://sx64.opsys.net/ Joel -----Original Message----- From: G Manuel [mailto:gmanuel@gmconsulting.net] Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 1:00 PM To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Some old computer systemsof interest Hi Everyone, I have a couple of old systems some of you might be interested in. The first one is a Vector. This is an all in on unit running CPM as the OS. I only have the system for this one. The second is an old Commodore SX-64. For those who don't know it, it is a small portable Commodore 64. It had a small (maybe 5" diagonal) color crt and 5 1/4" disk drive internal. I have many additional peripherals for it including additional 5 1/4" drive, 20MB HD, Memory expansion model (256k), mouse, GEOS OS, HearSay 2000 (speech recognition and speech module) and lots of software. It is in 100% working condition and has been well cared for. If you have any questions about these or other systems please feel free to ask. Greg Manuel

23 years, 4 months

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substitute for TI TIL306/307 Display?

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

At 06:01 PM 1/1/03 -0600, you wrote: >On Wed, 1 Jan 2003, Joe wrote: >> At 10:51 PM 12/31/02 -0600, you wrote: >> >On Tue, 31 Dec 2002, Joe wrote: >> > >> > > Does anyone know of another display that can be substituted for the >> > > TIL 306/307? Here is a data sheet for the 306/307 in case you have a >> > > question about it, <www.alltronics.com/download/TIL306.pdf>. >> > >> > I don't know of an exact replacement offhand, but I thought these were >> > still in production? >> >> Are they? I think mine are about 25 years old. FWIW I went looking for >> some at a large local surplus store and found one that I think is >> prototype. It's built out of clear material instead of red and is marked >> TIXL306 and is date coded 7204 (almost 31 years old!). I went through >> several boxs and THOUSANDs of displays and only found one standard 306 >> and the one prototype. >> >> > How many of these displays are you looking for? I believe I still have >> > a few in my parts bin... >> >> In addition to the one that I found in the store I need three of them. >> Mine were in sockets and the dissimilar metal corrosion has eaten off at >> least one leg off of each of mine. > >Oops, I have TIL311s, not the 306. I was thinking that the 311s were still >in production. I guess the 311 with a built-in BCD controller must still >be useful in current products. The 306/307s also have built in BCD decoders. I've been trying to find a data sheet on the 311 so that I can see what the difference is between it and the 306/307. > >I'll make a note to check a couple of my local surplus dealers over the >next few weeks. If I find any TIL306 displays, I'll pick them up. Should I >also hunt for any 307s? 306's or 307s will work equally well. The one difference between them is that one has the decimal point to the left of the digit and the other has the dp on the right. My unit doesn't use the decimal points so either display will work fine. > >If all else fails, would it be possible to salvage your displays? I've >carefully ground back ceramic and plastic on other dip components to >attach replacement leads in the past, but it isn't a fun task... It's possible but all the leads on them are weak and I'd probably have to eventually replace ALL the leads. Joe > >-Toth >

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Looking for small NS32000 system

by fmc＠reanimators.org

"Heinz Wolter" <h.wolter(a)sympatico.ca> wrote: > I always wanted one of those systems - when I was > in school - Natsemi was pushing those Genix/unix > kits like crazy to all the undergrads - but they turned > out to be seriously expensive and the early 32K parts > were severely buggy to support a stable system. Yes! If you get a chance to talk to someone who tried to seriously use the 32K, ask them about National's bugs. You are almost assured of a story. -Frank McConnell

23 years, 4 months

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New finds

by glenslick＠hotmail.com

The 7854 calculator keyboard goes with a 7854 mainframe scope. I've never used or seen one, but apparently the keyboard is necessary for full use of the scope. They show up on eBay occasionally. This page has some info and pictures of various 7000 series mainframes and plugins: http://www.caip.rutgers.edu/~kahrs/testeq/7000.html >From: Patrick Finnegan <pat(a)purdueriots.com> >Reply-To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org >To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org >Subject: New finds >Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 00:19:24 -0500 (EST) > >Got a few new things from Purdue Salvage over winter break.... > >3) Tektronix 7854 Waveform Calculator .. looks to be a part of something > else, what I have is just a pad with a bunch of buttons and a cable > with a DB-25M on the end. I'm also willing to sell this. > $ free > _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

23 years, 4 months

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M200 interfacing continues...

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

>From: "Sellam Ismail" <foo(a)siconic.com> > >On Fri, 3 Jan 2003, Dwight K. Elvey wrote: > >> You know I have a reader that I connect to a printer port on a PC? >> You can borrow that any time you want. > >I know, but I'm on a roll. This interfacing stuff is fun :) > >Was there any special magic required to connect it to the parallel port or >did you just feed the outputs into the pins of the PC port? Hi It depends. Not all parallel ports are created equal. Many are bi-directional though. There are about 3 different flavors. As I recall, I connected the parallel data out to the data lines and ran the strobe to one of the status input lines. There is a start and stop signal that uses to start and stop the tape as well. I can give you a copy of my code. There is a web page, http://www.lvr.com/parport.htm , that has several links to parallel port stuff. Since you are now at the hardware level and on a roll, this is a good place to look. I don't recall if the two drives that you loaned me were parallel or serial outs. I think one was a parallel though. Dwight > >Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org > > * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com * > >

23 years, 4 months

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ADMIN: Coming Updates, Question

by jss＠subatomix.com

If you're in a hurry, skip to the request at the end. Good news! The travesty that was my first attempt at a new web site for ClassicCmp.org has only a few days' worth of life still left in it. We've been long overdue a web site that doesn't (completely) suck, and I intend to provide one as soon as possible. I am finished with college and have become comfortable with my new job, so I now have adequate time to make ClassicCmp a better tool for its members and for the world's classic computer enthusiasts in general. The first stage will be a small set of static documents which will provide a *consistent* view of the site's current content: mailing list info, mail archives, and the FAQ. There will be no mention of anything under construction. Documents will be simple, nearly text-only, XHTML-compliant, and lynx-compliant. Expect this to be up soon. I have written the first half of the spam-defense mechanism we discussed several weeks ago. This half isn't the CGI program I talked about, but instead the processor that replaces email addresses in an HTML document with links to that CGI program. Due to popular demand, the email address info encoded in the links is encrypted by two iterations of DES. I am currently investigating human-verification methods to be used in the CGI program. Expect the archives to be spam-proofed soon. Thanks to Tothwolf the packrat, the missing months of the old list archives have been recovered. Expect them to be up soon, as soon as I decide whether to keep Pipermail or switch to Hypermail (what we used to use) for message archiving. I'm leaning toward Hypermail. Once these things are done and a decent web site is in place, I will look at developing a much more complex, second-stage site, with a file archive, link database, and some degree of dynamicity via PHP or similar. If you have a suggestion, please let me know via private email. By the way, we now have exactly 720 subscribers. I would also like to hear (private email please) from subscribers with comments for or against the current two-list system. Defense of the system is welcome, as are ideas for better ways of doing it. Is it necessary? Should we go back to one list? Should we have more than two lists? Something else? I want _your_ opinion! -- Jeffrey Sharp ClassicCmp List Admin (during Jay's extended break)

23 years, 4 months

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New finds

by pat＠purdueriots.com

Got a few new things from Purdue Salvage over winter break.... 1) (OT) RS/6000 F30 .. proc but no ram, drives, I/O cards and missing the cable to connect the hard drive bay to the motherboard. ... if anyone is interested, I would probably be willing to sell this off. $30 2) HP 1361D Logic Analyzer with 5 pods, and an analog probe $ free 3) Tektronix 7854 Waveform Calculator .. looks to be a part of something else, what I have is just a pad with a bunch of buttons and a cable with a DB-25M on the end. I'm also willing to sell this. $ free Everything seems to work, as far as I can tell. I'm also looking to get rid of a few things that I'm not really interested in anymore, watch the next few days for more items. BTW I'm in Lafayette, Indiana. Pat -- Purdue Universtiy ITAP/RCS Information Technology at Purdue Research Computing and Storage http://www-rcd.cc.purdue.edu

23 years, 4 months

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DIY Equipment Racks

by rdd＠rddavis.org

While thinking about racks to use for mounting my PDP-11/44 components, as well as other equipment from test equipment to audio and synth equipment, something just occured to me: why bother with hunting down steel racks when some 2x4s and lag bolts may suffice just as well? I was thinking that one can just run 2x4s from the basement floor up to the heavy wooden rafters, attach them to the rafters, and then add horizontal supports at the bottom to space the vertical 2x4s apart properly. Any thoughts on this? I guess the museum-type equipment purists won't like the idea, but it would be a cheap and functional solution for many of us. :-) Has anyone else here tried this? Lastly, has anyone on this list tried retrofitting non-rack-mount equipment into racks? E.g., welding (or "JB Weld"ing) rack-mount tabs onto systems like PCs and Kaypros, as well as making rack-mountable shelves to hold the Macintoshes, etc.? Just trying to think of ways to save space. Stacking system on top of system, helter skelter, as systems are added, tends to result in rather annoying, space hogging, piles of systems after a while, making some systems difficult to get to at times. -- Copyright (C) 2002 R. D. Davis The difference between humans & other animals: All Rights Reserved an unnatural belief that we're above Nature & rdd(a)rddavis.org 410-744-4900 her other creatures, using dogma to justify such http://www.rddavis.org beliefs and to justify much human cruelty.

23 years, 4 months

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Looking for small NS32000 system

by classiccmp＠crash.com

> I've been looking for a Symmetric 375, but those seem to be rare > as hen's teeth. Definitely, and a shame as they seem to have been very nice systems. > Why 32000s? I just like to be different I guess. :) I was fortunate enough to pick up a couple of systems built around the Nat Semi ICM-3216 boardset a little while back. I keep my eyes open for other systems, but am both broke/unemployed and time constrained these days... --Steve.

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Config info on HP1000 memory?

by fmc＠reanimators.org

"Glen S" <glenslick(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > I have a copy of the manual 5955-4311 / Installation and Service Manual / > High Performance Memory Systems. It covers the 2102E and 2102H Memory > Controllers and the 12741A, 12746H, 12747H, 12779H, and 12780H Memory > Modules. (But not the 12749H). Looks like I have a December 1983 edition of this manual that also covers the 12666H and 12749H but not the 12741A. In storage of course. If it would be helpful, I'll try to pull it next time I'm out there (hopefully sometime this weekend). -Frank McConnell

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Z8000-Fan

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

Hi You need to look a little more. You should find other files that may be named incorrectly as *.z8k. Some of these are actually source files and not executables. Most of the assembly source were called *.8kn. Also, many of the files have some garble at there ends. This was because of the extraction process. If you look at them carefully, you'll see that the text starts to repeat it self at some point. Just delete the repeated text to the end. I may have these files in PC file format after they have been cleaned up. I have gone through the process of starting with the source files for the BIOS and actually creating a new BIOS. I was careful to make sure that it ended up matching the original release image. In anycase, with new BIOS code, I should be able to build another new image. This would be much easier than starting from scratch. When you get done, you'd be able to use the C compiler and assembler that came with this release. I'll go back and see, just which files I used so that you can use the matching ones. There were several different source pieces to hunt through. Some of them were older versions. The 1.1 stuff is actually the most current. The other revs seem to be pre-release stuff. Dwight From: "Kane, David (DPRS)" <David.Kane(a)aph.gov.au> > >Hi Dwight, > >I had also found the CPM8000 executable for the M20 on "The Unofficial CP/M Web site" (www.cpm.z80.de), but the source I grabbed at first only seemed to be for the BIOS and a couple of programs. So I thought that I would have to emulate an M20 for it to be useful. Either that or find a way to compile up a modified BIOS as you suggested. I just looked on the site again and there was a zip file with a more complete set of source. I still have no Z8000 C compiler or assembler but you do, so I might look into this a little more vigorously. > >David Kane > >-----Original Message----- >From: Dwight K. Elvey [mailto:dwightk.elvey@amd.com] >Sent: Friday, 3 January 2003 5:52 AM >To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org >Subject: RE: Z8000-Fan > >Hi David > It may not be as hard as you'd think. First, you don't have >to cross compile CPM-8000. There already is a CPM-8000. Recently, >source and release code was found for this and, working with Chris >Groessle, we've managed to bring it up on our Olivetti M20's. >This code was originally written for the M20, as it was the only >major machine sold with a Z8000 ( there were a few SBC's out there ). > The release comes with a C compiler and an assembler. There is >source code for the BIOS as well. It does depend on the M20 >ROM code for low level access. This CPM was mostly written by >a combination of Zilog and DR people. It is mostly written in >C with a minimum written in assembly. > There are a few issues. Even though the manual says you can get by >with only 128K, this would be difficult. Several of the utilities >require two 64K chunks ( one for instruction and one for data ). >It would be best if the other system functions had there own piece >of RAM to work in. One needs to map the memory such that you can >access a single 64K as both instruction and data as well as >the 128K as 64k instruction and 64k data. > The bad news is that we don't have the complete source for the >CPM. The BIOS does require that it be compiled on a running CPM-8000. >As the documents state, it would be difficult to build it on >some other system. Still if someone is willing to write a BIOS >for their board, I'd be willing to compile the code for them on >my machine. >Dwight > >>From: "Kane, David (DPRS)" <David.Kane(a)aph.gov.au> >> >>Hi, >> >>I always wanted to play with this processor, I just never got the chance. I >have a copy of the Zilog "Microcomputer Components - Data Book Feb 1980" and >a copy of "Programming the Z8000" (a Sybec book), but that is about as far >as I ever got. I was tinkering with the thought of modding the SIMH emulator >to include a Z8000 system, but I don't have any details or experience of any >real systems. I then though to invent a fictitious S100 system, based on the >existing Altair emulation, but with a Z8000 CPU. This could most likely run >a CPM8000 system, with the appropriate BDOS changes. But a lot of work would >be need to get a set of compilers/cross compilers for the Z8000, either in >tracking them down or writing them. I saw recently that BDS C has been put >into the public domain with full source, so there might be some avenue >there. Still to generate CPM (or MPM) for a fictitious machine would be a >mammoth undertaking, I have all the source code needed, just not the >compilers. It would require an 8080/Z80 to Z8000 cross assembler (to avoid >rewriting all the assembler), a Z8000 PLM compiler, and a Z8000 C compiler. >> >>Anyway I am declaring myself an unfulfilled fan of the Z8000 processor >family. >> >>David Kane >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: G?nter Mewes [mailto:info@mewesbus.de] >>Sent: Saturday, 28 December 2002 12:49 AM >>To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org >>Subject: Z8000-Fan >> >>Hi Mr. Johnston, >>today I was looking for some Z8000 Fans, to talk about experieces ... >>Are you interested ? >> >>Please, be so kind and send a mail. >> >>Guenter Mewes (www.guentermewes.de) > > >

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Z8000-Fan

by David.Kane＠aph.gov.au

Hi Dwight, I had also found the CPM8000 executable for the M20 on "The Unofficial CP/M Web site" (www.cpm.z80.de), but the source I grabbed at first only seemed to be for the BIOS and a couple of programs. So I thought that I would have to emulate an M20 for it to be useful. Either that or find a way to compile up a modified BIOS as you suggested. I just looked on the site again and there was a zip file with a more complete set of source. I still have no Z8000 C compiler or assembler but you do, so I might look into this a little more vigorously. David Kane -----Original Message----- From: Dwight K. Elvey [mailto:dwightk.elvey@amd.com] Sent: Friday, 3 January 2003 5:52 AM To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Subject: RE: Z8000-Fan Hi David It may not be as hard as you'd think. First, you don't have to cross compile CPM-8000. There already is a CPM-8000. Recently, source and release code was found for this and, working with Chris Groessle, we've managed to bring it up on our Olivetti M20's. This code was originally written for the M20, as it was the only major machine sold with a Z8000 ( there were a few SBC's out there ). The release comes with a C compiler and an assembler. There is source code for the BIOS as well. It does depend on the M20 ROM code for low level access. This CPM was mostly written by a combination of Zilog and DR people. It is mostly written in C with a minimum written in assembly. There are a few issues. Even though the manual says you can get by with only 128K, this would be difficult. Several of the utilities require two 64K chunks ( one for instruction and one for data ). It would be best if the other system functions had there own piece of RAM to work in. One needs to map the memory such that you can access a single 64K as both instruction and data as well as the 128K as 64k instruction and 64k data. The bad news is that we don't have the complete source for the CPM. The BIOS does require that it be compiled on a running CPM-8000. As the documents state, it would be difficult to build it on some other system. Still if someone is willing to write a BIOS for their board, I'd be willing to compile the code for them on my machine. Dwight >From: "Kane, David (DPRS)" <David.Kane(a)aph.gov.au> > >Hi, > >I always wanted to play with this processor, I just never got the chance. I have a copy of the Zilog "Microcomputer Components - Data Book Feb 1980" and a copy of "Programming the Z8000" (a Sybec book), but that is about as far as I ever got. I was tinkering with the thought of modding the SIMH emulator to include a Z8000 system, but I don't have any details or experience of any real systems. I then though to invent a fictitious S100 system, based on the existing Altair emulation, but with a Z8000 CPU. This could most likely run a CPM8000 system, with the appropriate BDOS changes. But a lot of work would be need to get a set of compilers/cross compilers for the Z8000, either in tracking them down or writing them. I saw recently that BDS C has been put into the public domain with full source, so there might be some avenue there. Still to generate CPM (or MPM) for a fictitious machine would be a mammoth undertaking, I have all the source code needed, just not the compilers. It would require an 8080/Z80 to Z8000 cross assembler (to avoid rewriting all the assembler), a Z8000 PLM compiler, and a Z8000 C compiler. > >Anyway I am declaring myself an unfulfilled fan of the Z8000 processor family. > >David Kane > >-----Original Message----- >From: G?nter Mewes [mailto:info@mewesbus.de] >Sent: Saturday, 28 December 2002 12:49 AM >To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org >Subject: Z8000-Fan > >Hi Mr. Johnston, >today I was looking for some Z8000 Fans, to talk about experieces ... >Are you interested ? > >Please, be so kind and send a mail. > >Guenter Mewes (www.guentermewes.de)

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Some old computer systemsof interest

by gmanuel＠gmconsulting.net

Hi Everyone, I have a couple of old systems some of you might be interested in. The first one is a Vector. This is an all in on unit running CPM as the OS. I only have the system for this one. The second is an old Commodore SX-64. For those who don't know it, it is a small portable Commodore 64. It had a small (maybe 5" diagonal) color crt and 5 1/4" disk drive internal. I have many additional peripherals for it including additional 5 1/4" drive, 20MB HD, Memory expansion model (256k), mouse, GEOS OS, HearSay 2000 (speech recognition and speech module) and lots of software. It is in 100% working condition and has been well cared for. If you have any questions about these or other systems please feel free to ask. Greg Manuel

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Pinout for EECO Tape Reader?

by jimw＠agora.rdrop.com

Figured I'd ask before I put a lot of time into sorting the thing out the hard way. <G> Anyone have the pinouts for an EECO TES-9301 8 level punched tape reader/spooler? I expect parallel with status and control lines, but like many critters it comes out on a DB25 connector and I have no docs on it... Thanks; -jim --- jimw(a)agora.rdrop.com The Computer Garage - http://www.rdrop.com/~jimw

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settings for M7847

by ggs＠shiresoft.com

Hi, I just received an M7847 16KWord memory card for my PDP-11/10. But I can't find any settings for the switches on it. Any one have any documentation? Thanks. -- TTFN - Guy

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Commodore C64 Tech Ref

by rcini＠optonline.net

Hello, all: Does anyone have a spare copy of this that they can part with? I have most of the info spread over several different help files but I sometimes find it helpful to have the relatively compact original handy. Please contact me off-list. Thanks. Rich Cini Collector of classic computers Build Master for the Altair32 Emulation Project Web site: http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/classiccmp/ /************************************************************/

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