- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by chu＠verizon.net

I have gotten my PDP 11/73 to start up and go through an initialization script for RSX-11Mplus. However, I do not know any uids/passwords, so I cannot login; I can only watch the script go by. I am able, while the script is running, to break into MCR and run commands like PDP and DMP. I am able to dump in octal some of the files like [0,0]001054.DIR;1. Does anyone know where the user names/passwords are stored? My memory says that the maybe they are not encrypted? Is that so? TIA, DAve Chu

23 years, 2 months

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DHV11 on BSD2.9

by chpap＠ics.forth.gr

I have read in a message by Steve Schultz that there are 2.9BSD drivers for the DHV11-A around. Can I still find them?

23 years, 2 months

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KNOCK IT OFF people

by jwest＠kwcorp.com

Yes, cctalk is not the totally off-topic free zone that cctech is. However, do NOT interpret that as a "anything goes" policy. I've sat back and watched the past few days of crap threads and I'm a little tired of it. More importantly, I've received numerous complaints. OFF topic posts on cctalk ARE ok. But I think we're all adult enough to know what is pushing the envelope. Sure, go off topic, that's what this list is for. But extended threads on religion, politics, etc. that are little more than pi**ing contests are just off-base. Thanks Jay West

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Help ID this board...

by cb＠mythtech.net

> There is only one sticker on the card >that says "1990 LTI; All Rights Reserved; I believe LTI is Lapis Technologies. They made video cards for the Mac. I would guess it is probably a video card of some kind. Many of the older full page display cards had 9 pin connectors. I don't know if they used a standard video output or if they had to go to the monitor they were meant for. >Since the board is blue, I figured that its >probably a prototype of something, maybe a video card? Probably just artistic license on coloring the board. I have seen blue video cards before in the Mac. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Identifying a Motorola chip - MC14544?( OT)(actually grass ai rports)

by mmcfadden＠cmh.edu

> Ethan wrote > >> Any help would be greatly appreciated; Particularly since the people > that > >> own the property have sold off the end of the strip to a local farmer > who > >> keeps cows there... And the other pilots are a bit too soft to leap the > >> fence and wander through a herd of cattle in the middle of the night > just > >> to turn on the lamps... > > > >I've been to a strip in NW Ohio, Fremont, that has a grass strip butting > >into a narrow asphalt strip in a Tee shape... the State airport guide > >warns that cows may be present on the grass runway and to perform a > >flyover before attempting a landing there. > > I live across the street for an inactive grass field, main problem for > pilots was deer > and dogs on the runway. We could never fly kites or launch Estes rockets > this close to an airport. > I once had my dinner interrupted by a pilot who crashed and walked up to > the house and asked to > use the telephone. His Globe Swift's alternator had failed. He couldn't > manually crank down the > landing gear and wanted to land on grass to save the plane. Now we have a > sixty acre park, we > still mow the runway, great for walking dogs and exercise, no cars > allowed. Occasional wood chucks, > deer, turkeys, and foxes however. > > Mike

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3 BC26V-12 cables available

by stuart＠stuartsjohnsonfamily.net

I recently received a bunch of stuff, including 3 each BC26V-12 SI disk cables, frequently used with RA60, RA80, etc. disk drives. I have no use for them, so if anyone wants them, they are available for the shipping expense. Contact me off list if you are interested, tell me how many (1-3) you want. These cables came from my previous employer and were removed some years ago >from working equipment (that I decommissioned when I worked there) and should be fully usable. First come first served. Regards, Stuart Johnson ssj152 AT charter DOT net // should be obvious how to fix email address

23 years, 2 months

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Felix CE 801 Calculator

by stefan＠softhome.net

Is anybody interested in buying a Felix CE 801 calculator ? I haven't tested it yet, charging some batteries, but when I have done that I will let you know. The date is probably 1975, and its made in Romania. Stefan.

23 years, 2 months

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cctalk digest, Vol 1 #479 - 54 msgs

by alhartman＠yahoo.com

> Blah blah. More inanity from Al. No response to > my last message in which I asked for replies to > specific questions and issues that I raised. <Snipped rest of the rant....> I decided to stop feeding the troll... Regards, Al Hartman (Macintosh Emulation List Host) http://www.topica.com/lists/MacEmuList My Homepage http://www.geocities.com/alhartman Enlightenment means taking full responsibility for your life. - William Blake

23 years, 2 months

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Info wanted: IBM vacuum tube digital computer demonstrator

by massimo.vettore＠zf.com

On Mon, 24 Feb 2003, Joe wrote: >Yes, that's the item but I'm pretty certain that he's wrong about it being a > field engineer's test set. A couple of list members have tracked down several > of these but no docs yet. Hi The diagrams of the plugglable units should be available at: http://www.piercefuller.com/collect/ibmpu/ Max

23 years, 2 months

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PDP-11/04 on Ebay - whats wrong with it?

by David.Kane＠aph.gov.au

Hi, A PDP-11/04 on ebay http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1247&item=3403225 748&rd=1 I have to start by stating I am in Australia. Our dollar might have crept back up to a smidgen over 60 cents US today, but the opening bid on the PDP will still be considerable, then add international shipping and ooooooh ouch. But despite all that I am still toying with the idea of bidding on the item. I do need a little assistance before making a definitive decision. For those unaware the item was listed before recently but was passed in unbid. I did not get interested last time since the description did not list a CPU card, and the seller did not reply to an enquiry regarding a CPU card. I notice that this time there is a CPU card listed (M7263). My quandary is over the seller's comment that the "Unit powers up and reads 0002777" although the pictures have it reading 000277. My worry is that the unit is severely broken. Can any take a stab at guessing what might be wrong, is it possibly just the lack of a boot device (floppy of hard disk)? David Kane

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Have VAXStation II/GPX & Intel iPDS and need an Intel MDS 225/230

by melamy＠earthlink.net

Hi all, I am trying to accelerate my plans to get my Intel MDS up and running... I have a VAXStation II/GPX with two monitors, mouse and keyboard. I think I have all the docs and disks for it also. It belonged to a friend who gave it to me because he was just going to throw it out. It was working for him, but I don't know the first thing about getting it running or do I really want to take on another project. What I am looking for is to use it in trade for an Intel MDS 225/230 development system. I don't need software or manuals for the MDS (I have all that). I don't even need any of the ICE modules. I also have an Intel iPDS with software that I would consider in trade also. Any one interested? Best regards, Steve Thatcher Seattle area, Washington state

23 years, 2 months

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Book available

by anheier＠owt.com

I am cleaning out some more stuff and have the following books available: Learning IBM Basic, David Lien, 1984 An Introduction to the Basic Language, John Skelton 1971 Understanding Telephone Electronics, Radio Shack, John Fike, 1983 How to Program and Interface the 6800, Andrew Staugard, 1987 $5 each + shipping. Thanks Norm

23 years, 2 months

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DEC disk drive power consumption (was Re: QBUS SCSI

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

> in my BA123 and get away from the RQDX3. If I thought I had enough room > in a BA23 for the KDA50 and enough cards to make it worth the effort, > I'd consider that, but between cabling and power consumption, I don't I don't think you can put a KDA50 in a BA23, isn't the reason that "Corporate Cabinets" have dual BA23's in the rack so that you've got enough power for everything? At least I seem to remember reading that was the reason. Zane

23 years, 2 months

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On topic: Invention & Technology

by jrasite＠eoni.com

In the newest issue of American Heritage of Invention & Technology magazine (Spring, 2003.) there is an article on the Houston Spaceflight Center. In it it details the history of the MCC from its inception to February 1, 2003. Included in this history are details of the systems used to control the United States manned spaceflight program. (Originally (5) IBM 7094s). All in all a most interesting article. Pick up a copy at your local large chain bookstore. Or subscribe! <http://www.americanheritage.com/it/index.shtml> Jim -- If there is light in the soul, there will be beauty in the person. If there is beauty in the person, there will be harmony in the house. If there is harmony in the house, there will be order in the nation. If there is order in the nation, there will be peace in the world. ~ Chinese Proverb ~

23 years, 2 months

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Univac III on eBay

by Innfogra＠aol.com

> but I am looking for serious bidders." > He wants real money. I think it will not bring his reserve price which I bet is at least $5000, probably more. I do not expect it to sell. It would be interesting to see what his reserve actually is. I base my reserve price estimate on what he wants just to handle the machine for shipping. This thing is not going to get scrapped, he has had it for decades. He will sit on it longer if he doesn't get what he wants. Stored in a semitrailer is good. It looks dry, just dusty. And some looks like it was stored with stretch wrap. It should be in good physical condition. Note that the seller's feedback is (1) which means he is subject to fits of unrealistic expectations. Paxton Astoria, OR

23 years, 2 months

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G.W.Bush a liar?

by alhartman＠yahoo.com

> Well, I was trying to be good and not pique the ire > of my neighbors to the south in my mother's and > wife's birthplace, but I find I can't hold my peace > at the incredible amount of BS, most of which is > parroting the Bush administrations lies and more > damnedable lies. I'm not aware of ANY lies by the current administration, no less "lies and more damnedable lies" Also, you can't hold this administration responsible for the misdeeds of past administrations. In fact, I'd call the previous administration one of the most dishonest and criminal administrations this country has ever had. Luckily our system of government is such that people like this cannot remain in power for too long. As for the rest of what you say, I don't have any data for or against it. America is a representative republic. Not quite a democracy. And yes, the government does things that the people don't necessarily like or agree to. Given that, I still believe we have the free-est and best form of government on the planet. It is not corruption or mistake free. Nor is it free of the normal human expressions of greed, ego, hatred, and agression. It's still head and shoulders above all other government systems on the planet. Considering the broad areas in which the U.S. is invlolved in, the huge amount of AID it gives to the rest of the world, you have to see that basically we are a good country. I would like it to be perfect, but that's not possible in human affairs. It could certainly be better. And what I like about Bush and his administration is that he got right to the task of setting right all the wrongs of previous administrations he could find and fix. I know he will be relected in 2004 with a landslide. It's a shame he can't run for a third term. Cheney will probably not be able (or willing) to run for President in 2008. Before the election, and before I saw Bush in action. I was sure he'd be a one term President and that Hillary Clinton or maybe Al Gore would run in 2004 and take back the Presidency for the Democrats. Now, I'm sure that won't happen. It's amazing that you can call a liar, a man whose reputation is largely made by his truthfulness and trustworthyness. As Governor of Texas he kept most all of his promises. And left the state in a much better condition than it was when he took office. You may not like his policies, or his decisions. But, that doesn't make him a liar. Regards, Al

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Univac III on eBay

by ekklein＠pacbell.net

This is truly amazing. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3403344993 I have no affiliation with this auction whatsoever. I do wonder what my wife would say if I bought this, though. "Honey, clear out the guest room, I have a mainframe coming!" Erik S. Klein www.vintage-computer.com

23 years, 2 months

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Need Read-It! v1.02 and/or v1.1 OCR software/manual by Olduvai (for Mac)

by vcf＠siconic.com

I'm looking for a copy of Read-It! v1.02 and/or v1.1 by Olduvai (for the Macintosh). This is OCR software circa 1987-1988. The important thing is the manual. I don't really need the software at this point. There i$ a bounty for thi$. If you have this then please contact me directly at <sellam(a)vintage.org>. Thanks! -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *

23 years, 2 months

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was Re: Identifying a Motolora chip -now OT Elk on runway

by Innfogra＠aol.com

In a message dated 2/24/03 11:21:40 AM Pacific Standard Time, mike(a)ambientdesign.com writes: > It's also interesting to hear that cows on the runway isn't only a New > Zealand phenomenon... > > We lost a Lear Jet here at the Warrenton, Oregon Airport when it hit a 1500 pound Roosevelt Elk halfway down the runway on an early morning takeoff last October. Totally trashed the Lear Jet, the Elk was in 500 pieces but the pilot and passengers were OK and able to get out of the plane before it totally burned. We had a herd of about 50 Elk living on the airport flats. Now they have an Elk proof fence that I swear will cause hard drives to fail when you drive across the grat-t-t-t-ting to get to our local UPS drop off center. The Lear Jet was over 10 years old so to get this on topic does anyone know if the older Lear Jets used computers and what kind? Paxton Astoria, OR

23 years, 2 months

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QBUS SCSI card...

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

> The truth is, if you are willing to wait, I've even seen some go as low as > the $40+ > to $60+ range? With some, condition might be poor, or they may not be > operational > and be being sold as is, but they might also be just fine. That's the eBay > gamble. I > do remember the MTI QTS-25 I had sold on eBay a couple of years ago to > Zane went for only $50 The thing to remember is that the controllers in that price range are tape only. For example, that MTI QTS-25 was tape only as I recall (or to put it another way, I don't recall buying any SCSI controllers on eBay that weren't tape only :^) The jump in value from Tape only to disk only is pretty huge, then there is a lesser jump in value from Disk only to Disk/Tape. Zane

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DEC disk drive power consumption (was Re: QBUS SCSI card...)

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

> --- Doc Shipley <doc(a)mdrconsult.com> wrote: > > I do know that my MVIII uses a hack of a lot less power booting off a > > remote disk than it did spinning up 3 MFM drives. I can only assume > > that the RAxx use even more juice. > > Dunno about anything as new as an RA9x, but the RA81 draws 30A surge > current (which is why they have that daisy-chain power sequencer port), > and 8A steady-state. That's a big honkin' motor in there, plus several > square feet of controllers. I'd recommend RA7x instead. The RA9x drives are 8", while the RA7x drives are 5.25". Zane

23 years, 2 months

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Fwd: Free to good home VRT-19

by Mzthompson＠aol.com

Posted to comp.sys.dec, please respond directly to jfedorko(a)rangersys.com > Subject: Free to good home VRT-19 > From: "Joel" <jfedorko(a)rangersys.com> > Date: Sun, Feb 23, 2003 17:03 EST > Message-id: <1Yacnbd0keSd28SjXTWckQ(a)giganews.com> > > Free to good home, a DEC VRT19 worked fine the last time I powered it up (2 > years ago). I need the space. > Available for pickup between Baltimore and DC. > > Drop me a note a jfedorko(a)rangersys.com if you are interested.

23 years, 2 months

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TU58 Emulation (was: M9312 Bootstrap Questions)

by jss＠subatomix.com

Frank Arnold wrote: > I hope you can boot anything else, do you have a DL11-W? You could use > this with a PeeCee emulated TU58 for diagnostics ect. Two questions. First, has anyone here emulated a TU58 successfully in software? I searched through the archives and found lots of posts that say "you could" and none that say "I did". If it's doable, what software should I use? I found this: http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/academic/computer-science/history/pdp-11/utils/t… Second, where do I get the diagnostics to load over the emulated TU58? -- Jeffrey Sharp

23 years, 2 months

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SCSI cards

by geoffr＠zipcon.net

At 02:37 PM 2/24/03 -0500, you wrote: >What was the name of the German company? I don't remember :( I wish I still had my Rainbow hardware guide, they were listed in there :(

23 years, 2 months

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HP1000 F & A700 - pictures

by aek＠spies.com

Does anyone have access to a set of F-series manuals, especially installation reference manuals? -- I have over 100 manuals for HP's 16 bit series. Most have been scanned some are up at www.spies.com/aek/pdf/hp Unfortunately, with the exception of the FE handbooks, HP tended to put out dozens of small manuals which scatters the information that you need out all over the place.

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HP1000 F & A700 - pictures

by glenslick＠hotmail.com

Look here: http://www.spies.com/~aek/pdf/hp/1000/ When you open the front panel of the HP1000F does it have a sticker inside with 1 - 4 numbers of the form 12992A - 12992L ? Those are the loader ROM part numbers. Take a look at the document 12992-90001_loaderRomsApr86.pdf which describes the various loader ROMs which you may have installed in your CPU. The document also describes how to load and execute the loader ROMs. >From: Adrian Vickers <avickers(a)solutionengineers.com> > >2) Does anyone have access to a set of F-series manuals, especially >installation reference manuals? If so, are they in electronic format; if >not, can you/they bear to part with them for at least as long as it will >take me to scan them?

23 years, 2 months

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Epson HX-20 Question

by chriss＠kingston.net

Hi Tony, Saw your posts on the net regarding HX-20's. I was wondering if you would be able to give me a couple pointers. I picked a hx-20 up a few years ago, and am now getting a chance to play with it. I have downloaded and read the 3 PDF's on Epson's site. I have not been able to find a copy of the BASIC Tutorial. I have a ROM installed in the _bottom_ of the unit. Not in the expansion slot, which is filled with the Cassette Unit. Should the ROM be autodetected, or does it have to be loaded? If loaded, how to I load it? I have not been able to get things working experimenting with LOAD "PAC0" and "LOAD PAC1". When I first powered the HX-20 up years ago, it had a 3rd option, but then I initialized it and of course, it is now gone. Thanks in advance. ChriS

23 years, 2 months

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Identifying a Fujitsu chip - MB15140?

by Innfogra＠aol.com

Wow! You guys are good. Maybe you can help me. I need some Fujitsu chip information. I have a bunch of Fujitsu MB15140 CR-G with a date code of 8809 I would like to know what they are. Picture at http://members.aol.com/innfosale/MB15140A.JPG I got them from Fujitsu, Hillsboro, OR, when they were discontinuing the 14" & 8" drive lines there. I suspect they are related to the 23XX 8" hard drives but am not sure. Fujitsu made quite a few products there, POS stuff too. Thanks for the help. Paxton Astoria, OR

23 years, 2 months

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Identifying a Motolora chip - MC14544?

by doug_jackson＠citadel.com.au

Wasn't that chip used in the Tandy TRS-80 Model 100 machines. I remember playing with the Band Pass filters to convince the TRS-80 to work with CCITT tones, instaed of the Bell tones that were used in USA. That was a while ago Boy, did I get myself into strife with the campus computer manager with that little 300 baud modem. Doug Jackson Director, Managed Security Services Citadel Securix +61 (0)2 6290 9011 (Ph) +61 (0)2 6262 6152 (Fax) +61 (0)414 986 878 (Mobile) Web: <www.citadel.com.au> Offices in Melbourne, Sydney, Canberra, Hong Kong, Boston CAUTION - The information in this message may be of a privileged or confidential nature intended only for the use of the addressee or someone authorised to receive the addressee's e-mail. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error please notify postmaster(a)citadel.com.au. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of Citadel Securix. Feel free to visit the Citadel Securix website! Click below. http://www.citadel.com.au

23 years, 2 months

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M9312 Bootstrap Questions

by fm.arnold＠gmx.net

cctech-request(a)classiccmp.org schrieb am 24.02.2003: Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 13:48:36 +0100 From: Andreas Freiherr <Andreas.Freiherr(a)Vishay.com> Subject: Re: M9312 Bootstrap Questions >Jeffrey, > >are you sure the 11/34 manual is talking about the M9312? - I seem to >remember that my copy describes the M9301, of which, IIRC, there are >-YA, -YB, and -YF versions. > >Since all M9301s are completely different from the M9312, it would be no >surprise if you cannot match the switches between docs and hardware... > >Andreas > >Jeffrey Sharp wrote: >> Ok, I got my PDP-11/34 mounted in its rack and have started to audit >> jumpers, switches, etc. I am being cornfused by the M9312 bootstrap >> terminator module. >> >> First, I'm confused about what version of the module I have. My 11/34 user's >> manual (EK-11034-UG-001 '77) talks about a -YA, -YB, and -YF version of the >> board. My M9312 manual (EK-M9312-TM-003 '81) talks only in terms of >> bootstrap ROM part numbers. The DIP switch references in the two documents >> conflict, even differing on the switch settings necessary just to boot into >> the console emulator. >----------<snip>----------- thinking back some 18-20 years, you are right on this comment that the -YA -Yb -YF variationd appley to the M9301 only, that module has no easy upgradable proms, but standard multiboot configurations. The keydifference is that M9312 stores one PDP11 instruction in 4 consecutive nibbles of the prom, therefoere 1 Prom = 1 Bootdevice. The 9301 has a conventional structure where the 4 proms are placed adjacent and each prom provides 4 bits of the program. Therefore if you modify the 9301, all 4 proms must be changed at the same time. I had to do it once, adding a new device to the boot routine, splitting it into the roms, burn those and get it to work, and I remember it was a tedious job. Frank

23 years, 2 months

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Fw: old alpha in the bay area (free)

by rschaefe＠gcfn.org

----- Original Message ----- From: "seph" <seph(a)commerceflow.com> To: <port-alpha(a)netbsd.org> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 2:07 PM Subject: old alpha in the bay area (free) > I have an old alpha I want to get rid of, I really don't want to have > to throw it away. It lives at my house, in the bay area. If you'll > come and get it, it's free. It does work, I installed netbsd onto it > awhile back. > > It's missing its model tag, but I believe it's an old dec3000. here's > what I do know: > > it's turbo channel > > it's not small (about the size of a full pc tower) > > it's got 4 disks. 3 rz25s and 1 rz26 > > it's got 256 megs of RAM. > > it comes with a monitor. a sony gdm 1926 (yes, you have to take the > monitor) > > it has a cdrom (caddy based, I have caddies) > > it has a tape drive I don't recognize. > > > If for reason there's an overwealming response, I'll be swayed by > useage and how soon people can pick it up. > > please reply to me, I'm not subbed to the list. > > seph

23 years, 2 months

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Univac III on eBay

by aek＠spies.com

I just put up three docs at www.spies.com/aek/pdf/univac/univac3 that will tell you more than you ever wanted to know about the Univac III One of the reasons it wasn't very popular was they didn't maintain backwards software compatibility with the I and II on the III.

23 years, 2 months

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Trivia Question

by Robert_Feldman＠jdedwards.com

A real computer doesn't know what the square root of negative one is? :-P -----Original Message----- From: Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) [mailto:cisin@xenosoft.com] Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2003 1:33 PM To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: Trivia Question On Sat, 22 Feb 2003, Hans B Pufal wrote: > > If I write a PC emulator that runs on a real computer, does the computer > > become not real? > Or does my PDP-9 emulator running on my PC make IT 'a real computer'. I It significantly enhances its reality coefficient. But a REAL computer has casters, (or a forklift) A REAL computer dims the lights during power-up (for the NEIGHBORHOOD) A REAL computer attracts attention from the Fatherland Security.

23 years, 2 months

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QBUS SCSI card...

by mail.list＠analog-and-digital-solutions.com

Hello Gene, Even though RD-5x fit in there fine, what is probably an inexpensive but more reliable solution than the RD-5x is to go with 5.25" FH ESDI drives as some other "personal users" have done. They come in larger storage capacities than the RD-5x drives too. Pick up a Sigma SCD-RQD11/EC when it shows up on eBay for around $35 to $50 ( or even less these days? ), and ask Mark Green about an ESDI drive. He got all four ( some of them around 600 Mb ) that I had a couple of years ago for what would have averaged out to $10 each ( plus shipping ). Best Regards At 06:57 AM 2/24/03 -0800, you wrote: > > > That's just amazing. I never knew the demand for those things was that > > > high. I wish the guy that was doing the IDE controllers had entered > > > production. :) > > > > I think a lot of people, "personal users" too, are getting tired of > struggling > > with RD-5x drive unreliability, and/or want the larger storage capacities > > they could obtain with SCSI > >Well I've got a KDA-50 board set so I'm not _totally_ out in the cold, but >it sure would be nice to use a drive that a) wasn't 150lbs (RA81) and b) >wasn't 3 feet long (RA92). Neither of which fit in the BA123(? nice >roll-around chassis, card cage is on the right side) enclosures that my 2 >MicroVAXen use. > >g.

23 years, 2 months

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Semi-OT: Wanted - Vacuum Tube Protyping Boards

by bill＠timeguy.com

A friend of mine is getting heavily into building radios, digital clocks (using nixie tubes and/or miniature vector displays), etc. from tubes. I've been thinking that some of those nifty prototyping boards like we used in high school would be great for him to use for testing new designs. The ones I used had a base made of clear plastic with an array of holes in the top which lead in sets of 5 or so to a common set of metal contacts. There were dozens of sets of contacts on each board. The tubes were mounted in sockets on small squares of PC board with traces leading to pins along the edges. These pins would plug into holes on the base, and you would plug wires into the other holes on the same contact strip to connect something to that pin. There were also inductors, variable caps, pots, etc. on small boards. Any idea where I might be able to buy something like this setup these days?

23 years, 2 months

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HP Apollo 710

by jacqui＠newcorp.co.uk

Hi I'm looking at buying a HP Apollo 9000 Model 710 32MB, can you give me a price to buy?? Thanks Jacqui NEWCORP SERVICES Tel: 01477 505615 Fax: 01477 500242 email: jacqui(a)newcorp.co.uk www.newcorp.co.uk

23 years, 2 months

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MVME 333-2

by Mark.Meyrick＠beck-pollitzer.com

Dear Sir, We have a client who is desperate to purchase an MVME 333-2, can you give me an idea of where I might get hold of one of these. We regularly get requests to find old XVME equipment so please keep me informed of any equipment you aquire and I will do the same. Best regards Mark Meyrick Technical Project Manager Beck & Pollitzer Control Systems Tel: 0044 1621 890310 Fax: 0044 1621 890319 ________________________________________________________________________ This message is intended solely for the use of the individual or organisation to whom it is addressed. It may contain privileged or confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please notify the originator immediately. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not use, copy, alter, or disclose the contents of this message. All information or opinions expressed in this message and/or any attachments are those of the author and are not necessarily those of Beck & Pollitzer Engineering Ltd. Beck & Pollitzer Engineering Ltd accepts no responsibility for loss or damage arising >from its use, including damage from virus. ________________________________________________________________________ This e-mail has been scanned for all known viruses by MessageLabs. ________________________________________________________________________

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Identifying a Motolora chip - MC14544?

by jplist＠kiwigeek.com

Howdy folks; I'm trying to identify a Motorola chip for my father - his guess is a 300 baud modem... The chip comes from circuitry which allows folks to remotely control the lights on a runway. All of the breakers/generators are in a little shed at the end of the runway, but there is a controller board in the tower to allow you to turn on lights without having to trek down to the shed... Unfortunately said controller is broken, and my old man has tracked it down to this chip. Any help would be greatly appreciated; Particularly since the people that own the property have sold off the end of the strip to a local farmer who keeps cows there... And the other pilots are a bit too soft to leap the fence and wander through a herd of cattle in the middle of the night just to turn on the lamps... Thanks! JP

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"Real Computers" (was Re: Trivia Question)

by Robert_Feldman＠jdedwards.com

The Osborne 1. -----Original Message----- From: Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) [mailto:cisin@xenosoft.com] Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2003 2:27 PM To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: "Real Computers" (was Re: Trivia Question) <snip> How many CP/M machines provided both schematics and source code?

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BA123 and disks (RE: QBUS SCSI card...)

by Fred.van.Kempen＠microwalt.nl

True, the various ESDI disks are proving to be a fine and reliable replacement for the RD drives, using the same form factor. My MV4 (in a BA123) has three Hitachi drives, 680MB each, and are emulated as RA82's. Nice, reliable and _fast_ ! These drives, and the controllers (Sigma, ADC, Emulex, Dilog) are real cheap now. --f > -----Original Message----- > From: Mail List [mailto:mail.list@analog-and-digital-solutions.com] > Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 4:38 PM > To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: QBUS SCSI card... > > > Hello Gene, > > Even though RD-5x fit in there fine, what is probably an inexpensive > but more reliable solution than the RD-5x is to go with 5.25" FH > ESDI drives as some other "personal users" have done. They > come in larger storage capacities than the RD-5x drives too. > Pick up a Sigma SCD-RQD11/EC when it shows up on eBay > for around $35 to $50 ( or even less these days? ), and ask > Mark Green about an ESDI drive. He got all four ( some of them > around 600 Mb ) that I had a couple of years ago for what would > have averaged out to $10 each ( plus shipping ). > > > Best Regards > > > > > At 06:57 AM 2/24/03 -0800, you wrote: > > > > That's just amazing. I never knew the demand for > those things was that > > > > high. I wish the guy that was doing the IDE > controllers had entered > > > > production. :) > > > > > > I think a lot of people, "personal users" too, are > getting tired of > > struggling > > > with RD-5x drive unreliability, and/or want the larger > storage capacities > > > they could obtain with SCSI > > > >Well I've got a KDA-50 board set so I'm not _totally_ out in > the cold, but > >it sure would be nice to use a drive that a) wasn't 150lbs > (RA81) and b) > >wasn't 3 feet long (RA92). Neither of which fit in the BA123(? nice > >roll-around chassis, card cage is on the right side) > enclosures that my 2 > >MicroVAXen use. > > > >g.

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Info wanted: IBM vacuum tube digital computer demonstrator

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

Yes, that's the item but I'm pretty certain that he's wrong about it being a field engineer's test set. A couple of list members have tracked down several of these but no docs yet. Joe At 04:42 PM 2/24/03 +0100, you wrote: >On Sun, 23 Feb 2003, Joe wrote: > >> Can anyone tell me more about this thing or even (HOPEFULLY) have a >> manual for it? > >Hi Joe > >Could be this one: >http://www.newbegin.com/itemmis_28.html > >Max

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Info wanted: IBM vacuum tube digital computer demonstrator

by massimo.vettore＠zf.com

On Sun, 23 Feb 2003, Joe wrote: > Can anyone tell me more about this thing or even (HOPEFULLY) have a > manual for it? Hi Joe Could be this one: http://www.newbegin.com/itemmis_28.html Max

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M9312 Bootstrap Questions

by GOOI＠oce.nl

Well, my 11/34C has the M9312 in it. See www.pdp-11.nl and click on the folder PDP-11/34A. Inside that folder is a folder called CPU information, in there is the folder options, and the last item is the document "bootstrap" (M9312). Maybe that's a little help. I have a scan of the M9312 manual and also of the M9301 manual wich will be at Jay's in a few weeks ... - Henk. > -----Original Message----- > From: Andreas Freiherr [mailto:Andreas.Freiherr@Vishay.com] > Sent: maandag 24 februari 2003 13:49 > To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: M9312 Bootstrap Questions > > > Jeffrey, > > are you sure the 11/34 manual is talking about the M9312? - I seem to > remember that my copy describes the M9301, of which, IIRC, there are > -YA, -YB, and -YF versions. > > Since all M9301s are completely different from the M9312, it > would be no > surprise if you cannot match the switches between docs and hardware... > > Andreas > > Jeffrey Sharp wrote: > > Ok, I got my PDP-11/34 mounted in its rack and have started to audit > > jumpers, switches, etc. I am being cornfused by the M9312 bootstrap > > terminator module. > > > > First, I'm confused about what version of the module I > have. My 11/34 user's > > manual (EK-11034-UG-001 '77) talks about a -YA, -YB, and > -YF version of the > > board. My M9312 manual (EK-M9312-TM-003 '81) talks only in terms of > > bootstrap ROM part numbers. The DIP switch references in > the two documents > > conflict, even differing on the switch settings necessary > just to boot into > > the console emulator. > ... > > -- > Andreas Freiherr > Vishay Semiconductor GmbH, Heilbronn, Germany > http://www.vishay.com

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QBUS SCSI card...

by mail.list＠analog-and-digital-solutions.com

Gene, I took a look at the CTP dealer listing index, and the current listed prices for UC08's run from a low of $300 to a high of $750 Out of the 12 listed that have prices showing, the average is $511.25 There was a UC07 recently on eBay in the UK that sold for GBP 252.00 (currently approx. US $397.91 ) EMULEX UCO7 Q-BUS SCSI CONTROLLER FOR DEC http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1247&item=2307510324 With variations in exchange rate, that US equivalent was about $420 on the day it closed. Best Regards At 09:49 PM 2/23/03 -0800, Gene Buckle wrote: >Why is it that the UC08 SCSI controller on ePay right now is going for a >buy-it of$799? Are QBUS SCSI controllers THAT rare? I was going to try >to find one for my MicroVAX II, but not for that kind of dosh.... > >tnx. > >g.

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Transitional Technology Qbus SCSI controller

by mail.list＠analog-and-digital-solutions.com

Hello, I just received this inquiry from a "personal use" user about a card that I am not familiar with. If any of you want to help him out, his address is included. Wasn't someone asking about a differential scsi controller lately? If he'd have better use for a single-ended, and someone else needed a differential, perhaps you'd have a trade. Best Regards From: Robertdkeys(a)aol.com Message-ID: <54.b0c1e41.2b8b0e5b(a)aol.com> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 00:57:47 EST Subject: QTD-1 qbus diff scsi board - you folks know anything about??? Since you folks deal in legacy qbus things, I was wondering if you might know anything about a Transitional Technology, Inc., model QTD-1 differential mscp/tmscp scsi controller? I have one that a friend sent me, to use in an MVII machine, but I can't seem to find out any information anywhere about the board. It is dated 1989, but must have been made by one of the lesser qbus card manufacturers. If you know anything about this particular board, I would be most interested in finding out the particulars, so I can get this thing running. Thanks R.D. Keys robertdkeys(a)aol.com

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PDP11 - RQDX1 standalone format utility?

by chpap＠ics.forth.gr

I would like to do a bad sector scan on a RD52 connected to a RQDX1 controller (The machine is a pdp11/73 without OS) prior to installing BSD2.11.Is there a standalone program like zrqch0(standalone version of zrqc from the xxdp package - only for RQDX3) that can be downloaded directly to the pdp via vtserver and recognizes the RQDX1 , i.e. a version of zrqb or something similar?

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Info wanted: IBM vacuum tube digital computer demonstrator

by mranalog＠attbi.com

Joe wrote: > > Can anyone tell me more about this thing or even (HOPEFULLY) have a > > manual for it? Joe, 1948 IBM 604 Computer Engineers Field Unit Price $6000 http://www.newbegin.com/itemmis_28.html --Doug ========================================= Doug Coward @ home in Poulsbo, WA Analog Computer Online Museum and History Center http://dcoward.best.vwh.net/analog =========================================

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G.W.Bush a liar?

by homeranonymous＠netscape.net

Well said. Ditto all the following: > I'm not aware of ANY lies by the current > administration, no less "lies and more damnedable > lies" > > Also, you can't hold this administration responsible > for the misdeeds of past administrations. > > In fact, I'd call the previous administration one of > the most dishonest and criminal administrations this > country has ever had. > > Luckily our system of government is such that people > like this cannot remain in power for too long. > > As for the rest of what you say, I don't have any data > for or against it. > > America is a representative republic. Not quite a > democracy. And yes, the government does things that > the people don't necessarily like or agree to. > > Given that, I still believe we have the free-est and > best form of government on the planet. > > It is not corruption or mistake free. Nor is it free > of the normal human expressions of greed, ego, hatred, > and agression. > > It's still head and shoulders above all other > government systems on the planet. > > Considering the broad areas in which the U.S. is > invlolved in, the huge amount of AID it gives to the > rest of the world, you have to see that basically we > are a good country. > > I would like it to be perfect, but that's not possible > in human affairs. It could certainly be better. And > what I like about Bush and his administration is that > he got right to the task of setting right all the > wrongs of previous administrations he could find and > fix. > > I know he will be relected in 2004 with a landslide. > It's a shame he can't run for a third term. Cheney > will probably not be able (or willing) to run for > President in 2008. > > Before the election, and before I saw Bush in action. > I was sure he'd be a one term President and that > Hillary Clinton or maybe Al Gore would run in 2004 and > take back the Presidency for the Democrats. > > Now, I'm sure that won't happen. > > It's amazing that you can call a liar, a man whose > reputation is largely made by his truthfulness and > trustworthyness. As Governor of Texas he kept most all > of his promises. And left the state in a much better > condition than it was when he took office. > > You may not like his policies, or his decisions. But, > that doesn't make him a liar. > > Regards, > Al

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Not at all Re: TRS-80 Floppy Drive

by fmc＠reanimators.org

Al Hartman <alhartman(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > Micros back then were more like cars. You could > customize them heavily. Only now with all these > case-mods and cooling options are we getting back into > what used to be fun about being a Computer Hobbyist. When next I find myself looking at the bizarre heat sink and fan contraptions in modern desktop PCs, I think I will try to think about fenders with fins. The alternative is to think about the J. C. Whitney catalog, and I don't think that's quite appropriate. -Frank McConnell

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Off-topic (John Allain: do not read) Re: cctalk digest, Vol 1 #472 - 25 msgs

by allain＠panix.com

> But that comment was directed at you, so referring > to you as "he" wouldn't work. That comment was: > He actually had the audacity to quote the ten > commandments to someone whose religious > beliefs and oaths contradict many of them, and > try to say that it should be the basis for international > law. He causes me much nausea. I never sent you this. Don't lie about me on the list. Actually, the topmost statement here doesn't even make grammatical sense to me. Is everyone here just sick or something? John A.

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TRS-80 Floppy Drive

by alhartman＠yahoo.com

> From: "Fred Cisin (XenoSoft)" <cisin(a)xenosoft.com> > Reply-To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > > On Sat, 22 Feb 2003, Al Hartman wrote: > > I always preferred Tandon TM-100 drives. They > > needed a lot less service and maintenance than > > the SA400's did. > > And I always liked having the extra 5 tracks. > > I agree > I really like those drives. The pins that hinge the > doors don't hold up well to the abuse of a college > lab (unless you catch the culprits and break their > fingers), but without that abuse, they hold up very > well. Oh Man! I forgot ALL about that... I found it wasn't the pins themselves, it was the plastic hinges in the doors. A friend used to keep the broken ones after we'd replace them (I worked for a company that serviced these drives.. Cleaned, re-aligned, repaired. refurbished them...), and refurbish them for his personal drives with metal hinges. > > Boy, those were the days... > > They sure were. (except for some of the politics > :-) I must have somewhere all sorts of patched OS'es for my old Model I. DoubleDOS, TrsDOS, NewDOS 2.1, NewDOS/80, LDOS, VTOS, DosPLUS, the list goes on and on... I used NewDOS/80 for most things, followed by Multi-DOS. I have here a Percom flippy drive. It was a Wangtek mechanism (I think) that had write protect, and sector hole sensors on both sides of the drive, so you could write to both sides of a disk without punching holes. I got rather good at that, and used to sell home-made kits for people to punch their own disks. As well as installing Electric Pencil Lowercase Mods into Model I Keyboards. Micros back then were more like cars. You could customize them heavily. Only now with all these case-mods and cooling options are we getting back into what used to be fun about being a Computer Hobbyist. All things come around in a circle I guess... My Model I was stolen from my apt twice, and I recovered it twice because it was instantly recognizable as mine. A local Model I guru knew my machine and when it came in to him for service by the kid who bought it out of the trunk of a car, he called me and the police. The kid complained he was out his $100.00 and wanted it back from me. But, I felt... You buy stolen equipment, you take your chances... I didn't press charges when I got the machine back though. The first time it was stolen, the guy realized that nobody would buy it from him, it was so custom.. So he tried to ransom it back to me. I said sure... His ransom payment was me, and 5 friends with baseball bats. The police were stunned that I recovered the system twice. Those REALLY were the days... *sigh!* Regards, Al P.S.: though not booted in several years, my Model I (which just turned 24 yo) is sitting a foot away from me on a desk. I should hook it all up and give it a boot for old times sake.

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M9312 Bootstrap Questions

by fm.arnold＠gmx.net

cctech-request(a)classiccmp.org schrieb am 23.02.2003: ----------<snip>----------- From: Jeffrey Sharp <jss(a)subatomix.com> Subject: M9312 Bootstrap Questions > >First, I'm confused about what version of the module I have. My 11/34 user's >manual (EK-11034-UG-001 '77) talks about a -YA, -YB, and -YF version of the >board. > I also always wondered about this, and never found any clues. But don't bother, its not very important. Those variation-codes just describe the situation of the module at the time the first customer took them from the box, soon as you change a prom or switch, its something else... So just run the 9312 diagnostic from XXDP, it will print a nice summary for you how the unit is momentarely configured and what its capabilities are. It will also certify correct operation of your M9312 on top of that. I hope you can boot anything else, do you have a DL11-W? You could use this with a PeeCee emulated TU58 for diagnostics ect. If you need the Boot-prom for TU58 write me off-list. >My M9312 has no -Yx designator and has only one bootstrap ROM installed >(756A9 for RK03/05/05J or TU55/56). The M9312 manual seems to make the most >sense in this case, so I've been believing its side of the story. However, >the DIP switch settings on my M9312 have me puzzled. Here they are: > > 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 > ON ON ON OFF OFF OFF OFF OFF ON ON > >This doesn't correspond to anything in either manual! According to the >manual I'm trusting, this says to start executing at 765406 (in the console >emulator ROM). It needs to be 765020 (with diags) or 765144 (without diags). > >Supposedly, the machine was functional when it was decommed, so my first >instinct is to assume I am (or the docs are) wrong somewhere. However, its >previous owner (another collector) was not able **IIRC** to get a register >printout at power-up. So maybe the DIP switch is pointing to someplace that >isn't a valid entry point. I don't have access to the complete M9312 print >set, which would list the ROM contents. > >Should I reset the DIP switch to say 765020? > That depends on the physical socket-location where the 756A9 is plugged into. Alternatively, you could use 773000 that will give you console-odt from where you can interactively select the boot you desire. Hope you get it to work, Frank Arnold

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cctalk digest, Vol 1 #473 - 49 msgs

by alhartman＠yahoo.com

Sellam, You have it reversed again... The only reason Cuba has economic sanctions is because Castro refuses to step down, and allow the Democratic Government that his people want. Also, that Cuba supports and funds a lot of South American Terrorism. Just like Iraq, it is totally in Castro's power to make life better for his people. Just step down and let them vote for a new leader. Again, you blame police for the crime, rather than the criminals. > Actually, the only reason Cuba is worse off with > Castro is because the US continues to economically > sanction Cuba because our government doesn't agree > with Castro's politics. > > I'm not saying everything the US does is stupid, but > a lot of the things that the US does is stupid. I would agree with that, but this isn't one of them. Personally, I would like to see the sanctions lifted as they don't seem to make a difference to Castro. He is determined to stay in power anyway. The only good thing is he will probably be too sick to lead, or dead within 10 years, and probably at that point the sanctions will be lifted. A lot of mistakes were made in the U.S.'s policies towards Cuba. And its' handling of the situation. No doubt about that. But hindsight is ALWAYS 20/20. Al

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cctalk digest, Vol 1 #472 - 25 msgs

by alhartman＠yahoo.com

> And you are also one of the people who think America > is the one who should make the rules for everyone. > *sigh* *shakes head* > > This country does many things of which I am ashamed. > Anyone whose told me otherwise have never come up > with any proof. > > Peace... Sridhar Based on the off-list conversation we had, it's much more likely you decided not to listen to the proof... I've never said the the U.S.A. should make the rules. But, how can you quibble with the concept that it's wrong for a county to attack it's neighbors, or to build up offensive weapons? Or, to defy the United Nations when they order you to disarm? The only way the U.S. figures into all of this, is that it has the backbone that the U.N. does not have. The backbone to back up it's own resolutions. It's the same in international affairs, personal affairs and in raising children... When you make a threat, or set a condition upon behavior, you have to follow through with the penalty when the wrong behavior happens. Otherwise, you teach that person (and others) that rules, threats and responsibility are meaningless... Nobody wants war, but in case such as this... This war will prevent the deaths of millions. Not only by Iraq and Hussein, but by others in the future who will take this example to embolden themselves to do evil without fear of retribution. The penalty for breaking laws and rules must be swift and predictable. That's the only way for there to be a deterrent. Saddam Hussein can avoid the war in a minute. He simply can abide by the U.N. agreements, disarm himself of the illegal weapons and technology, and dedicate himself to making a good life for his countrie's citizens. He would have the added benefit of having the embargo for sale of his oil lifted upon full compliance and good behavior. It's much more in his interest to do that, than the course that he has chosen. How can anyone disagree that what he is doing is sheer madness? The guy can't live without fear of assasination... His life must be desperate and awful. And all by his own choice... Putting attention on the U.S. or President Bush is wrong. That's focusing on the wrong end of the situation. Why aren't there protests calling for all police forces to be disbanded? Using the same arguments that people are using against this war, if the police didn't carry guns or shoot criminals committing acts of crime, why... There'd be a lot less death in the world. Just let the criminals alone.... In fact, how wonderful would it be for all the prisons to be empty, and the courts to have nothing to do... It's all the fault of those crazy police who capture criminals for the fun of it. Because they LOVE to shoot and hurt people... Al

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cctalk digest, Vol 1 #476 - 57 msgs

by alhartman＠yahoo.com

> What he doesn't realize is he is now a permanent > resident of my ignore list. Cool!!! > He actually had the audacity to quote the ten > commandments to someone whose religious beliefs and > oaths contradict many of them, If your religious beliefs contradict: - Don't Steal - Don't Murder - Don't take your neighbors wife or property away - Honor your parents - Take a day off to rest Then, I'm glad I'm not a member of that religion... > and try to say that it should be the basis for > international law. He causes me much > nausea. I didn't say it SHOULD be. I said IT IS... Ask anyone who has studied law. Most of today's laws are based on the 10 Commandments, The Golden Rule and the Laws of Hammurabi. The basic concepts carry, even if the details are different. If you bothered to actually read my message, rather than be "offended" by it. You'd have understood that. I don't claim to be the creator of that concept. I read it somewhere, and found that I agreed with it. The 10 Commandments are acutally pretty religion neutral as most religions have similar "laws" and that particular set is share between Judaism, Christianity and several other derivative religious faiths. But, please be offended by the thought that good ideas are universal. Or that just because one faith brought up an idea that it belongs ONLY to that faith and not to other faiths, or even in the secular world. So silly. Good ideas, are good ideas. No matter who created them. > Peace... Sridhar Al

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Preserving exposed platters from corrosion and fingerprints

by julesrichardsonuk＠yahoo.co.uk

> The platters are very sensitive to fingerprints and other environmental > contact. What is a good, quick, and cheap way to treat the platters > before completing the clock that will seal and protect the platters > without yellowing or cracking? have you tried using clear laquer on them? They used that on the alloy wheels on my car and it's only now starting to give up after 30 years - and that's with outdoor weathering. I suspect that sort of lifetime will outlast any clock mechanism based on plastic gearing anyway... cheers Jules Everything you'll ever need on one web page >from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com

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Test message

by kyrrin＠bluefeathertech.com

Please excuse the brief test. I'm trying to troubleshoot a replacement mail server. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Owner & Head Hardware Heavy, Blue Feather Technologies -- http://www.bluefeathertech.com ARS KC7GR (Formerly WD6EOS) since 12-77 -- kyrrin(a)bluefeathertech.com "I'll get a life when someone demonstrates that it would be superior to what I have now..." (Taki Kogoma, aka Gym Z. Quirk)

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8" floppy drive available

by anheier＠owt.com

I have a Shurgart 8" floppy drive available. See at http://gallery.owt.com/users/a/anheier/61.jpg It needs to be thoroughly cleaned, but should be restorable. Best offer. Thanks Norm

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cctalk digest, Vol 1 #473 - 49 msgs

by alhartman＠yahoo.com

> From: Vintage Computer Festival <vcf(a)siconic.com> > > Based on the off-list exchanges we had, your "proof" > was most likely merely jingoistic non-sequiturs > that Sridhar would have probably found as stupid as > I did. Being that you haven't read said reply, you can't possibly make a comment on them. I notice, as usual you stoop to personal attacks rather than discuss the issue. > > But, how can you quibble with the concept that > it's wrong for a county > > to attack it's neighbors, or to build up offensive > weapons? > > Look, every time you open your mouth you contradict > yourself. When will you realize that everything > you ascribe as the reasons for which we want > to go to Iraq, the US has committed the same? Are > you seriously this dense? Personal attack. And what contradiction. When has the U.S. attacked it's neighbor? Last I heard Canada and Mexico are unmolested. And before you bring up stuff that's 100's of years old, you can't address stuff that old with todays mores. Iraq attacked it's neighbors in modern times, with modern weapons. > This is typical of the mindset of control freaks: > everyone else is a child and must be punished if > they don't do as we tell them. I consider this > deviant psychological behavior. Personal Attack yet again. Do you understand a basic concept? It's called "Being one's word". When Iraq AGREED to disarm, to not own or develop weapons of mass destruction, and then broke those agreements. That's where the problem lies. It's not about "control" or being a "control freak". Adults make agreements and keep them. That's the only way world affairs can work. Treaties and agreements have to be kept, and there must be trust that they will be. When they are broken, they must be enforced. Otherwise the entire house of cards based on agreements and "word" collapses. That leads to chaos. > > Nobody wants war, but in case such as this... This > > war will prevent the deaths of millions. Not only > > by Iraq and Hussein, but by others in the future > > who will take this example to embolden themselves > > to do evil without fear of retribution. > > Contradiction. None that I can see. You'd like there to be one, so that you can attack me personally. It's a common tactic of people who are unable to have intelligent discussions of issues. Instead of discussing the issue or facts, and keeping the discussion on that level. You attack the person directly. I could be the world's worst idiot. But, if I was speaking a truth... What difference does that make? I could be a drooling idiot and point up and burble "Sky.. Blue..." The fact that I could be an idiot, doesn't change the fact that sky is indeed blue. So keep the discussion on the facts, rather than making personal attacks. When you do this, you rob yourself of any power, and ability to have your opinions considered and respected, and convince people that they must be indeed, invalid since you needed to make a personal attack. > No it's not. It's in our power to change our > President's ill pursuits because we elected the > bastard and we can take him down. I got news for you. Our President is not doing ANY "ill pursuits". He has the highest sustained approval rating of ANY President in history. He is doing the right thing most of the time. I got that you don't like what he's doing, and don't agree with it. It doesn't make him wrong. > He's OUR servant, and our problem. Saddam Hussein > is someone else's tyrant, not outs. No. He surrendered to us in a war. He has made agreements with our Government AND the U.N. that he is not keeping. He attacked two of our allies, was defeated and he must disarm to keep the terms of the treaty. He is not doing that, and that makes it our business. Sticking our heads in the sand (or up a bodily orifice) as you would have us do, does not make the problem go away, and emboldens others to break agreements or to attack their neighbors without fear of reprisals. > Simple: we are not the police force of the world. People would like us not to be. I'm not sure where I stand on this. Generally, I'm happy when we take principled stands against terrorism, and agression against neighbors. > Of course, logic eludes you, Al. Not at all. I would recommend you go to college, take some World History and Civics courses. Also Ethics. You hold some naive opinions. That sound good on the face, but don't hold up under rigorous scruitiny. They only seem good on the face, but when you extend the consequences of what you would like to see happen out on a timeline, you see that they don't actually bring about the things you claim to stand for. "Peace at any cost" is a misused statement. Often, the price of peace IS war. Perhaps it wouldn't seem so contradictory if you consider that in this context... "An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure..." If there were some science fictional way to look at alternate timelines where we could see the different outcomes for different decisions, perhaps there'd be some data for you that might convince you of this. Having this stand that I hold, takes some faith. It takes trust that there are things that never happened that we will never hear about, because they were deterred. If every country or terrorist made a press release saying... "I was going to do X, but didn't do it because I was afraid that the U.N., the U.S., the U.K., etc... Would punish me for doing it..." Then, you'd see how well deterrence works. There was an article in Time Magazine (or it may have been Newsweek) fairly recently that said, that when the U.S. pulled out of Vietnam, it emboldened all sorts of actions. Within three years of the pull-out, American Embassies were attacked, Cuba stepped up it's actions in South America, and more. Backing down has consequences. It's a tough row to hoe, and not as simplistic as you make it. Al

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Ersatz-11 gone?

by jrengdahl＠safeaccess.com

I can't reach www.dbit.com, home of the Ersatz-11 (E11) PDP-11 emulator by John Wilson. Has this gone away? -- Jonathan Engdahl

23 years, 2 months

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Info wanted: IBM vacuum tube digital computer demonstrator

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

Does anyone on here know anything about a digital computer demostrator unit made by IBM in the late '50s? It's housed in a nice wooden box about 2 feet wide x 15" deep x 12" tall. On the top of the box is a brass plaque that says "Presented by International Business Machine Corporation". Inside is a grey painted metal box with a row of ten 9-pin tube sockets along the back of top. In front of each socket is a single nean light. In front of that are blocks with small holes for jumper wires similar to those used in the Heathkit trainers. One end of the box has a male Jones plug connector and the other end has a female connector. It looks like the units were made so that additional units could be stacked together. On the front side of the grey box is a tag about 1 1/2" x 3" that says IBM in large letters. In a compartment on the right side of the wood case is a power cable that plugs into one of the Jones plug connectors. Under the grey metal chassis is a compartment with jumper wires, spare neon lamps and other small parts. Along the front edge of the box are two rows of holes that hold modules that plug into the sockets in the metal chassis. Each module is an open chassis about an inch square and 4 to 7 inches tall. Each chassis has at least one vacuum tube in it and some have two tubes, one above the other. Each chassis has a metal hoop or bail that goes up and over the top of the top most tube and back down the other side to form a handle for inserting and removing the chassis. On the top of the bail is a small tag with numbers like "TR-2", etc. Besides the tubes the chassis also have other small components such as resistors and capcitors. There are a total of twenty of the small chassis and each one can be plugged into any of the sockets in the main unit but you have to set a number of jumpers on each socket to a get the correct voltages for each of the tube elements. The tubes can be configured as logic elemements such buffers, invertors, various gates, etc and they jumpered together to form more complex d e such as flip flops. Evidently the nean lamps are used to indicate the state of each logic element. The guy that had it was quite specific and said that is is NOT an analog computer but a digital one. I went through it trying to find a model number or date but could only find the number 56 stamped on some of the tubes. I'm not sure if that's the manufacturering date or not but it's probably close. Can anyone tell me more about this thing or even (HOPEFULLY) have a manual for it? PS this came from the University of Florida. Joe

23 years, 2 months

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Misterious DEC-Module M7071

by fm.arnold＠gmx.net

Hi, I got a strange board in recentley. Made by DEC, Quad-heigh, Dual-width, only one double sided 2x18 pin edge-connector that is snmaller as usual, aperantley carrying only power-supply connections. Has some 80 SSI/MSI TTL-chips, one prom 19-10818-02, and 10pcs 93l422 256kx4 ram's. Chips have 1979 date codes. The strange thing about this board is, that there is hardley any external connections, there is 1 (one) split-lug terminal, and one 16 pole IC-socket, as normalley used for automated testing signal connection. On the solderside there is the wording: "Waveform Generator" and 5012514F-P1 Who knows what this board is, and what it does? In what equipment was it used? How and for what purpose are the 10 Mbit of RAM filled with what kind of data? Fieldguide says: M7071 U Video Display Sys: image memory, RAMs & buffer logic. I don't understand this, because ther is no unibus-connection on this module at all. Is it a part of something bigger? Thanks, Frank

23 years, 2 months

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OT - was Let the witch trials... now oil

by Innfogra＠aol.com

In a message dated 2/21/03 8:26:42 AM Pacific Standard Time, fernande(a)internet1.net writes: > Oh, your one of those people, who thinks it'a about oil. > It isn't??? 60 percent of the setup costs from moving our Army/Navy over there are Fuel costs. All of Bush's decisions consider how it impacts the price of oil, and how much money his friends will make. I have heard Administration Spokespeople say that the Iraqi oil will reimburse the US for the cost of the war. How else does he expect to pay for the war when he is running deficits. It is all about Oil and how much money the oil industry can make before the resources run out. Bush's goal is to make as much money for his oil friends as possible. What do you think the current run up in prices is? This is also why he is gutting environmental protections and ignoring global warming. This is why you can buy vehicles with the worst MPG and get tax credits. It is all about OIL. If you view each of Bush's actions through an oil filter it make them quite understandable. Bush and his friends are Oilmen. Paxton Astoria, OR PS: Sorry for the off topic post, It finally just got to me.....

23 years, 2 months

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TRS-80 Floppy Drive

by alhartman＠yahoo.com

> From: "Fred Cisin (XenoSoft)" <cisin(a)xenosoft.com> > > On Sat, 22 Feb 2003, Al Hartman wrote: > > > I am looking for a 5 1/4" floppy drive for a > > > TRS-80. > > > That's fine, but you still haven't provided the > > specific information about WHICH TRS-80 you needed > > a drive and cable for... > > He sent me a private post clarifying. > He has a TRS-80 Model 1, and is looking for an > ORIGINAL drive for it (external, with case, power > supply, and cable). > Preferably the original SA400 35 track. I always preferred Tandon TM-100 drives. They needed a lot less service and maintenance than the SA400's did. And I always liked having the extra 5 tracks. I've seen a few of these pop up on E-Bay. Unless you have one for him, or someone on the list... eBay may be his best bet. I have 4 40 Track DSDD 360k PC Drives mounted in an old PC Compatible case (XT style), that has a LONG cable coming out the back. I use this for both my Coco and my Model I (when it was working, my EI is shot and while I have an LNW EI, I want a new KB unit as well). The other thing about SA400 drives, is to make sure he isn't using a patched version of TRSDOS or NewDos/80 or whatever... If the stepping speed of the DOS is too fast, the older drive may not boot properly. I remember taking a copy of 80 Microcomputing and applying the patches from it (with SuperZAP) to a copy of TRS-DOS to make it 40 track, and to speed up the drive step. The system booted up MUCH faster. Boy, those were the days... Al

23 years, 2 months

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Replying to Lawrence.

by alhartman＠yahoo.com

> I will say this about you Al, you do consistently > trumpet the bullies logic and the administrations > spin without embarassment. You would have fit in > very comfortably with the US supporters of Nazi > Germany. Thankfully your type is still a minority > at this time in the US. > > Lawrence I'm sorry but none of the above is true. Unlike the Clinton adminstration there is no spin here. It's all the truth, and policy based on hundreds of years of human history observed. You should be ashamed of resorting to trick of comparing me, Bush or ANYONE to Nazi Germany, or Germans (I am also of German descent, and proud of that. Though not proud of Germany in the beginning years of the 20th Century). It's just low. Luckly, I don't take it personally because it's on the same level (and as funny to me) as "Yo Momma!" And I'm NOT in the minority. Given the approval rating for the war, AND the President I'm in the majority. Though Liberals would like Conservatives to think they are kooks and marginalized in the population. The truth is, that we're not. Thanks anyway. Al

23 years, 2 months

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Transfer of Files From RSX-11

by badoni_nk＠yahoo.com

Hello John How are you. Sorry for late writing. I was out of station for last couple of days only today I joined my work. John I am unlucky I do not have the Kermit S/W in my winchester disk. Is it necessary to load any communication S/W like Kermit in the winchester disk, because I also can not load any S/W in my winchester disk. Now I think I am in trouble. Fortunately I also have VanDyke's CRT404 with me & I can load this in my WINnt PC. ====================================================== > Then, find the > file(s) you want, and use the RSK 'type' command to > list them to the port > you are attached (logically and physically) to. Use > your terminal > program's "logging" or "screen capture" function, > and... there you are! ===================================================== Sorry please I could not understand your avobe sentence. What you mean by """"use the RSK 'type' command to list them to the port you are attached (logically and physically) to. Use your terminal program's "logging" or "screen capture" function,"""" Could you please tell me the process/commands in detail how to use this software & which is the sutiable cable (RS232) to link these two PC's. It would be great help from you side. Best regards Kishore --- John Lawson <jpl15(a)panix.com> wrote: > > > On Tue, 18 Feb 2003, nk badoni wrote: > > > Hello John > > > > Thank you very much for your kind reply. > > > > Yes it is a complete system. > > Ah... this makes the process *much* easier! A > bit of info now would > be: what is the model of your DEC system? (ie PDP > 11/23, VAX 11/750, > PRO350... etc) > > > > > I have checked Kermit but I could not find this > S/W > > there. Might be my process was wrong. > > > Hmmm... a lot of RSX systems had Kermit as part > of the Distribution > Kit.. you can try: > > MCR> DIR kerm*.*,* > > but if your disk is big and you CPU slow, this can > take upto an hour to > complete. > > > OR, you can use a Terminal Emulating program on > your Wintel machine (I > use VanDyke's CRT on my IBM Thinkpad running Win2K). > Then, find the > file(s) you want, and use the RSK 'type' command to > list them to the port > you are attached (logically and physically) to. Use > your terminal > program's "logging" or "screen capture" function, > and... there you are! > The files are safe on your PC. (This assumes you > have a multi-port set of > serial terminal connectors attached to the computer. > This procedure can > also be done using the PC terminal emulator attached > to the DEC system > console port. The object is to list the files as an > ASCII stream and > capture that listing on the PC's HD. > > > This will work with any storage media on your DEC > computer, HDs or > Floppies, by the way. > > Please write to the classiccmp list during this > process, and we will all > try to help out as much as possible. > > I will also forward this correspondence to the > List. > > Cheers > > John

23 years, 2 months

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Data Peripheral Disk Drive

by dstalnaker＠mindspring.com

I am looking for a functioning Data Pheripheral DP100 8 inch removeable disk drive. Any ideas where I might find one? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Debbie

23 years, 2 months

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DEC BA35X and HSZ40C docs?

by Fred.van.Kempen＠microwalt.nl

Hi All, Today I spent driving up and down to a place that had a bunch of interesting stuff for me. Amongst others, some VAX 4000 stuff, a truckload of DSSI disks, and: some StorageWorks stuff. The haul included two HSCZ40C controller cabs, cables, and several (empty) BA356-JC storage cabs. I still have a bunch of RZ28's in their SW trays, so plugged them in, for fun. Everything seems to be alive, I could use some docs on this, though.. esp. the HSZ40C controller, which obviously needs to be configured through its [unknown pinout] serial port... Thx, Fred

23 years, 2 months

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Visual Computer Inc. Commuter US

by revmrf＠kingcon.com

I have a Visual Commuter laptop which I purchased new and still works. It's stored securely in a closet. Unfortunately, I didn't purchased a LCD display for it. Would you by chance know where I may purchased an LCD?

23 years, 2 months

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dBit / John Wilson

by Fred.van.Kempen＠microwalt.nl

Hi all, See subject.. They're fine... just got word from John that although he's extremely busy, he's OK. Site was down since the last time his ISP rebooted (fri 14th) which indeed was caused by the storm. He'll check in on the site. Thanks for noticing! Cheers, Fred

23 years, 2 months

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"Digest" Subject posts

by lgwalker＠mts.net

Could the many who post from their digest downloads please put the subject in their replies ? This makes it much easier to use my delete button and not have to read the things I'm not interested in. I don't think that's too much to ask. I'm sure that would make Jay or Jeffries task much easier also. Not all of us receive in digest form. Lawrence lgwalker@ mts.net

23 years, 2 months

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cctalk digest, Vol 1 #469 - 47 msgs

by alhartman＠yahoo.com

> Roger Merchberger wrote: > You mean, citing war on others despite (or because > of) the #1 commandment of most [all?] Christian > faiths: "Thou shalt not kill." > Despite 2000 years of trying, Christianity (in all > it's flavors) is still not the dominant faith of > this planet... Any chance there's a reason for that Did you ever bother to get the data? http://www.religioustolerance.org/worldrel.htm Since your premise is wrong, I'll let you decide whether your conclusion is too.... Thanks for playing! Al

23 years, 2 months

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[fixed]: DECserver 300 fun

by Fred.van.Kempen＠microwalt.nl

All, Yay... DEC's rigidness in how things Should Be Done did not disappoint me again... the DS300 was in password protection mode. I cleared it with the usual procedure, and am now able to configure it... which is almost as painless as it was with the DS200's I have ! (*just with TCP/IP added ;-) *) Thanks to all who have helped/responded! Now, back to the usual political BS we read here.. --fred

23 years, 2 months

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DECserver 300 fun

by Fred.van.Kempen＠microwalt.nl

All, Yeah, well... part of the fun was getting the consoles tied together using a DECserver 300. The thing works, boots, loads the software, and then... BANG. Dumps me into a very unwilling mode that just gives me a # prompt, and then wants me to guess. Anyone have the (pdf?) docs on this beast? I assumed it would be a thing similar to the 200, but oh, was i wrong... --f

23 years, 2 months

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one last riposte

by lgwalker＠mts.net

One last riposte for these supposed "patriots". FEMA was brought in by the Reagan-Bush administrations and now Junior has extended the rights to suspend the rights enshrined in the US constitution by the founding fathers who could never have imagined the rapacity of the present bandits. Check out http://www.sonic.net/sentinel/gvcon6.html or if you want a real example of the big sell even extended to your kids www.fema.gov/kids/ But of course there is no brainwashing going on in the US of The New World Order. Or if you are even capable of reading something other than spin-doctored news-clips, read " The Praetorian Guard" by John Stockwell, the highest-ranking CIA officer ever to quit the agency and expose the truth of it's operations to Congressional investigators, if the book hasn't been "disappeared" by the State Department. You might even re-examine the positions of the "discredited" former US Attorney-General Ramsey Clarke. Enough of this BS, I'd rather ignore the parroting rabble and go back to figuring out the workings of "non-computer" micros and even "non-computer" DEC micros. I shut ma mouth... Lawrence lgwalker@ mts.net

23 years, 2 months

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Apple 1 memory

by oldcomp＠cox.net

Thanks Eric, I'll take your word for it since I haven't looked at an Apple 1 schematic for about twenty-five years! That may have been another reason I didn't put video on my board! Bryan Eric Smith wrote: >Your Apple 1 homebrew page is interesting, but the details about >Woz's design aren't quite correct. The Apple 1 did use 4K multiplexed >address DRAMs (typ. MK4096) for the main memory. But the video memory >was entirely separate, and consisted of seven Signetics 2504 1Kbit >dynamic shift registers and a Signetics 2519 hex 40-bit shift register. >The video memory recirculated constantly, so it didn't need any explicit >refresh circuitry. > >It wasn't until the Apple 2 design that Woz shared the main memory with >the display to get automatic DRAM refresh. > >Best regards, >Eric Smith

23 years, 2 months

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New goodie - Solid State Disk

by jplist＠kiwigeek.com

I received my EMC2 Orion SSD today... I have to say I'm impressed, it definately is what we'd considering "Enterprise" these days... The unit is, according to its manuals, 31.4" x 33.3" x 11.5", and weighs roughly 275lbs. The Orion has some nine slots in what looks like (but isn't) a full-size 3-connector VME bus cardcage. It has one "Director" (controller) card, and five 64MB memory cards installed (320MB). In the rear of the unit is one Maxtor 320MB SCSI disk, for offline backup, and two sealed lead-acid batteries (So that in an emergency power off situation the unit can back itself up to the internal SCSI disk and not lose data). Pictures are available: http://www.kiwigeek.com/hjp/comps/emc2_orion.html Now all I need is an IBM that can read from a IBM 3370/3380 DASD - which is what the Orion emulates... JP

23 years, 2 months

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Century Data Systems (tape drive?) exerciser

by aek＠spies.com

I've put the manual for the T2000 up at www.spies.com/aek/pdf/centuryData

23 years, 2 months

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cctalk digest, Vol 1 #473 - 49 msgs

by alhartman＠yahoo.com

> From: Mike <kenziem(a)sympatico.ca> > > So then why not demand that all countires with > weapons of mass destruction disarm? Because none of those countries attacked three of it's neighbors using them, were forcibly expelled from a neigboring country and agreed to disarm as part of the surrender agreement. We have not picked Iraq out a hat to disarm them. They asked to be disarmed when they used their weapons against their neighbors AND their own people (Northern Kurds). > Why not start with those that have actually used > them in the past. Name some... And I mean a country that has used WoMD in an offensive manner without provocation. > And not applied randomly. There are many other UN > sanctions that are being ignored or have been > vetoed. Not that are on the same level as the one Iraq is flouting. > He claims to have done just that and the arms > inspectors have not been able to find anything. > If the US has been concealing the evidence of this > then they are as guilty as he is. Did you not listen to the same presentation of Hans Blix that I did? He stated that not only did they find things, they found more things than Iraq reported. They found Iraq had developed weapons with a greater range, and in amounts in excess of the agreements. What is stunning for any intelligent person, is that he then followed that by saying he saw no problem with Iraq and that they were following the agreement. He basically said they WEREN'T in compliance, but that is was not a problem for him. > Because in most countries the police require proof > before an arrest and then there is a trial before > an execution. The police do not stop you on the > street demand proof of your innocence claim you are > lying and shoot you. There was such a thing, vis-a-vis Iraq. It was called the Invasion of Kuwait and the bombing of Israel with Scud missiles... What is happening now is of a piece with that. When we booted them out of Kuwait, they agreed to disarm as part of the surrender. They have not been keeping their word. They are in breach of their obligations, AND have been continuing to develop illegal weapons. Al

23 years, 2 months

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Where has dbit gone?

by j.r.engdahl＠adelphia.net

I can't reach www.dbit.com, home of the Ersatz-11 (E11) PDP-11 emulator by John Wilson. Has this gone away? -- Jonathan Engdahl

23 years, 2 months

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power (ups) systems

by Fred.van.Kempen＠microwalt.nl

Hah! Now *that* is on-topic banter! :) *saving info for later* Thanks! --f > -----Original Message----- > From: Christopher McNabb [mailto:cmcnabb@4mcnabb.net] > Sent: zondag 23 februari 2003 4:30 > To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: power (ups) systems > > > On Sat, 2003-02-22 at 22:18, Fred N. van Kempen wrote: > > > My real question: > > > > These UPSes have 3 load segments each. On the Compaq, I currently > > use *2*. Is this the reason for its screaming? Does the total > > load come from the three segments? > > > > Fred, I'm betting the Compaq UPS is rated for 800VA per load segment. > If this is true, then that means you are trying to supply 1650VA from > two segments, which are rated for a total of 1600VA. Try > moving some of > the load to the third segment and see what happens. > > -- > Christopher L McNabb > Operating Systems Analyst Email: cmcnabb(a)4mcnabb.net > Virginia Tech ICBM: 37.1356N 80.4272N > GMRS: WPSR255 ARS: N2UX Grid Sq: EM97SD

23 years, 2 months

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power (ups) systems

by Fred.van.Kempen＠microwalt.nl

All, While rewiring the VAX Lab here, I found something weird is going on with the power usage on the network. First, some stats: UPS 1: 2400VA, mains load 220VAC (Compaq) UPS 2: 2200VA, mains load 220VAC (APC) All power is 220VAC, 50Hz, single phase. Regular European power, so to speak. No weirdness there. The Compaq UPS is connected to the Compaq servers and related (MicroWalt Corp) equipment. This is the PROD network. The APC (new in town) is for the VAX stuff and related equipment, and powers all of that. For now, an 4100, a 3100 and some hub/ router/DECserver et al equipment. Here comes the fun part. All this *used* to be on the Compaq UPS, and it was fine, just at 96% of its load. Now that things are split out... the compaq screams even *more* at me, even though its reported load is ~1650VA. My real question: These UPSes have 3 load segments each. On the Compaq, I currently use *2*. Is this the reason for its screaming? Does the total load come from the three segments? Call me stupid, this I cant figure it out. I probably should not be doing this at 4am :) Cheers, Fred

23 years, 2 months

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cctalk digest, Vol 1 #470 - 52 msgs

by alhartman＠yahoo.com

> No, I'm one of "those people" who sees no logic > whatsoever in going to war with Iraq. I don't want > to say that those in favor are stupid, but those in > favor are dumb. What's great about people like you Sellam, is that every time you think something like this, you get to have egg on your face when it turns out wonderful. I remember all the doom and gloom and naysayers, and the predictions of thousands of bodybags for the Afghanistan War on Terrorism a year and half ago. People thought that those in favor of that were dumb too... I am not someone who loves war. But, I am someone who believes in backing up rules, laws, and civilization with penalties when the rules are broken or in the case of Hussein, not only broken but flouted. It will be over fairly quickly once it starts, and as before (in 1981) it will be a rout. But, this time we will take Hussein out of power and set the people in Iraq free. Iran is probably next on the President's list, and then North Korea. Unless Kim Jong Il pushes to be the next in line and won't wait his turn. It's so wasteful for people like Hussein, Il and the leadership in Iran to do the kind of things that cause this, rather than dedicating themselves to providing the best possible lives and economy for their people. Since we still have people here in the U.S. who think ideaology is more important than doing the right thing, I'm not surprised there are similar people elsewhere... I hope the human race outgrows that someday... It's ok for you to think people in favor of taking Hussein out are stupid.... It only means you don't have a clue what it's all about... Hopefully getting egg on your face a few more times will make you tired of being wrong... Al

23 years, 2 months

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Century Data Systems (tape drive?) exerciser

by aek＠spies.com

> It's marked T2000B Exerciser. It is for the T series disc drives (T40 -> T300) Not of much use unless you have one of these. Did you get the whole suitcase or just the T2000 ?

23 years, 2 months

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New Find Today An AMSTRAD

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

My wife talked me into stopping at a thrift today and in the electrical area under some stuff I found a Amstrad PPC640. Not able to test it yet not enough "C" batteries. :-(

23 years, 2 months

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cctalk digest, Vol 1 #470 - 52 msgs

by mail.list＠analog-and-digital-solutions.com

Hello Sridhar, > We shouldn't have tried to prevent it because it's none of our business. > I think Cuba is worse off with Castro, but it just simply isn't our place > to change that. That is for the people of Cuba to do. We were genuinely worried about Castro's wanting to have nukes only 90 miles offshore of the US mainland. Right or wrong, it was a real danger we wanted not to have happen. Best Regards At 01:38 AM 2/22/03 -0500, you wrote: >On Sat, 22 Feb 2003, Chad Fernandez wrote: > > > So your basically an isolationist, then? Sounds like many of the people > > here are. > >If by isolationist you mean that I believe we shouldn't be projecting our >collective penis into everyone else's affairs, then yes, I am an >isolationist. However, I don't believe that's the proper meaning of the >term. > > > I don't know much about many of items on your list, However. > > > > > 1961 : The U.S. attempts to overthrow the revolutionary Cuban > > > government at the Bay of Pigs. > > > > This ones interests me...... are you saying Cuba is better off, now that > > Castro is in power, and we shouldn't have tried to prevent that? > >We shouldn't have tried to prevent it because it's none of our business. >I think Cuba is worse off with Castro, but it just simply isn't our place >to change that. That is for the people of Cuba to do. > >Peace... Sridhar

23 years, 2 months

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Hp-85 consumables source

by rhahm＠nycap.rr.com

Hello, Does anyone know of any web sources for thermal printer paper or new magnetic data tapes for the HP-85 other then eBay? Thanks, Bob

23 years, 2 months

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CNN reveals real reason for Columbia crash

by cisin＠xenosoft.com

> http://www.decodesystems.com/cnn-columbia.jpg Wouldn't it be rather dangerous to fly at that speed in the atmosphere of a planet?

23 years, 2 months

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Political Rants and Other BS

by jrice54＠charter.net

Can we please end the endless, mindless discussion and get back to 'puters. I'm getting really tired of all of the anti-this and anti-that BS. No wonder so many people have signed off this list. James -- http://webpages.charter.net/jrice54/classiccomp2.html

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TRS-80 Disk Drive

by alhartman＠yahoo.com

> HI: > > I am looking for a 5 1/4" floppy drive for a TRS-80. > The cable would be great too! Please let me know > the cost. Thank you. > > Sorry about my posting yesterday asking for a 1 > 1/4" drive. It was a typo. That's fine, but you still haven't provided the specific information about WHICH TRS-80 you needed a drive and cable for... That's like asking for a drive and cable for an Apple Computer... Please be more specific, and I'm sure there are lots of people on this list who could be of help to you. To repeast someone else's request: - What kind of TRS-80 is it? - Do you need an internal or external drive (i.e.: a Model III or IV can use both) - Do you need a case and power supply? - Do you need a 35 or 40 track drive? Or do you need an 80 Track Drive (mostly determined by the model, and the type of disks you want to read). If you can be more specific, those of us willing can be of more help.. Thanks! Al

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TELEX machine, modems

by gil＠vauxelectronics.com

Hi Bruce: When you say that the telex machines used a "high-voltage DC, 60mA current loop," is that implying a 120V loop as in standard TTYs? The reason I ask is that the "private-wire" current loop for an M32/33 is a max of something like 45 volts on the loop supply. I presume then, that the telex interface box was designed for the HV, 60-mil telex loop, and then in turn drove the internal 20-mil input to the selector-magnet-driver card of the M32. Was this telex interface box in the M32 stand? I had not heard of later M32s having Telex Line Adapters for FSK modem application. How can you identify which interface an M32 has? Was there a different dialer CCU, like the one with six pushbuttons used on the twx 33s? I have some additional telex info from other folks added below. ps: Bruce, did you see the post about all those TTY machines for free in Seattle? Lots of good stuff headed for the dump. gil ------------------------------------------------- More telex info from George Hutchison: Using a Teletype Corporation equipped telex machine on RTTY is relatively easy. You need a loop supply with a current limiting resistor (2K or so wirewound pot) a double-pole double-throw switch, and the telex machine. Connect the DPDT switch in the standard manner for reversing polarity. Feed the loop supply (Such as one would find in a 28 LESU) through the pot to the center terminals of the switch. Wire the reversing terminals of the switch to the telex machine input cable/terminals. If you plug the telex machine into 110 VAC, with the loop supply de-energized, it will run open. Some folks tweek the dial on the telex a bit to get the machine to lock up, but this is not necessary. Energize the loop supply. Depending upon the position of the DPDT Switch, the machine will either stop running open, remain on and be ready to type uponst, or will shutdown and the motor will stop. Flipping the switch will result in the opposite condition to occur. With the machine energized and the loop locked, set the loop current for 60 ma. When the machine is on and ready to type, it will key the loop that is coming from the loop supply. From there it is easy to use it to key another machine, a transmitter, or what have you. When the machine is in the off condition, motor shutdown, etc, depressing the "LOCAL" button on the telex will cause it to come to life so you can type locally. I have an ST-6 that I removed the 110VAC that goes through the motor control relay, and set it up with the reversing arrangement as described. Most ST-6 motor control relays were DPDT. The loop current from the ST-6 goes through the motor control/now reversing relay, so when the ST-6 says turn on the motor, the loop current flips polarity and turns on the telex machine. Such a deal. Thought some of you might like this bit of info. 73, George, W7KSJ ------------------------------------------------- More telex info from Don Robert House: I have always just used the loop rather than tapping into the SMD circuitry. I set a loop supply of 120-130 vdc to 62.5 milliamps with two machines wired in series into the loop. The machines usually have a mounting cord on them for this purpose. The M32, if it is a former Telex, it uses the ITA2 version of Baudot code. It is a 7.00 unit code with 1 start bit and 1 stop bit, which is 50 baud and 67 words per minute. ------------------------------------------------- More telex info from Jim Haynes: There are two Telex interfaces to the M32. One is neutral, and the other is a polar adapter that plugs into the neutral one. Look in the Western Union Technical Review CD ROM; I think it's all documented in there. And yes, it's 50 baud, 7.5 unit code. ------------------------------------------------- More telex info from Wayne LeTourneau: Most Telex's are 66 WPM, I have 60WPM gears in mine and I connect the local loop to terminals 8 & 9 in the rear. Local loop set at 60ma and not to exceed 100 VDC. It copies fine, I'M using a Flesher 170 tu. It also has automatic caridge return and automatic line feed, so can copy those RTTY stations that are using computers and don't have enough sense to send a LF and CR at the right time. I cannot get mine to talk to itself yet, have not figured out how to get the keyboard in series with the printer. Actually, the selector Magnets on thease draw close to 500ma, so you have to use the driver card, which is where terminals 8 & 9 end up. Wayne WB0CTE ------------------------------------------------- >From: "Bruce Lane" <kyrrin(a)bluefeathertech.com> > > Now I'm glad I spent those years with Western Union's Field Service division (when they still had one), fixing those things. > > The Model 32 Telex machine did not operate on a standard phone line. It required a dedicated hookup to a specially-equipped Western Union central office. The normal interface was high-voltage DC, 60mA current loop. In the case of longer-than-typical cable pair length, a polar adapter was employed to create a differential DC interface. > > The later Model 32's were equipped with TLA's (Telex Line Adapters) which used FSK, as you've already guessed. I don't recall the frequencies involved exactly, but 2200/2000Hz Mark/Space wants to stick in my head for some reason. > > The Telex network, as far as I know, is long dead in the United States, and some other of the more industrialized countries, replaced pretty much by the Internet and FAXes. The Telex-ready Model 32's ran at around 67WPM (Words per Minute)/50 baud. Amateur Radio RTTY standard calls for 60WPM/45.5 baud. > > In other words, you've got yourself a true museum piece there. You may be able to, if you wanted, convert it for ham radio use. However, you would need to change the motor gearing to bring the speed down a notch. Finding the necessary gear would be an adventure at best, though I can suggest a couple of possible sources if you want to try this. > > Enjoy! > >Bruce Lane, Owner & Head Hardware Heavy, >Blue Feather Technologies -- http://www.bluefeathertech.com >ARS KC7GR (Formerly WD6EOS) since 12-77 -- kyrrin(a)bluefeathertech.com ;----------------------------------------------------------- ; vaux electronics, inc. 480-354-5556 ; http://www.vauxelectronics.com (fax: 480-354-5558) ;-----------------------------------------------------------

23 years, 2 months

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Subject: Re:large disk platters?

by cheri-post＠web.de

Wow ! Tony, could you send some photos of your disk drive ? I'd like to see this "mystical" thing ! :) The 24" platters of IBM's RAMAC are known to me but 36" platters ??? Who could have built such disk drives ? Any ideas of the company ? Pierre > > In about 1976 University of Missouri Bioengineering Program acquired an "IBM > > surplus image system" from somebody "unknown" out west. They sent a couple > > [...] > > > There were two clamshell halves that were opened to access the platter, each > > track had a fixed head over it. Stored on each track was the image on a > > single display station. By switching between tracks you could access > > different images. There was a vacuum pump to remove the air if you opened > > the clamshells to adjust the heads. Each of the display stations had an > > integrated keyboard and a proximity or optical pen to select menu items. > > One of the peripherals I have for my PDP11s is a PPL model 121 display > system. > > It uses a magnentic disk to store the video images. I think it rotates > once per field (the motor speed is electronically controlled with an eddy > current brake IIRC). Images are stored using analogue FM modulation on 3 > tracks of the disk (one for each of R, G, B). There are several sets of > fixed heads which can be selected so you can store several images on the > disk and display them. > > The disk is a lot smaller than the ones described here, though. I've not > taken the HDA apat (for obvious reasons), but it looks to be a normal 14" > platter. The HDA fits, disk horizontal, into a normal 19" rack module. > There's a separate PSU rack module, and a cardcage of electronics. It > connects to the Unibus via a DR11B interface I think. > > -tony ______________________________________________________________________________ Keine Lust, immer Ihre Adressdaten in eine E-Mail zu schreiben? Mit der vCard ist Schluss damit! Infos - http://freemail.web.de/features/?mc=021153

23 years, 2 months

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VAX 11/750 question

by jwillis＠arielusa.com

I just received a new board set for my VAX 11/750, which includes an L0004 to replace the one I had before, which would send output to the console, but wouldn't read input from the console. Now, however, when I put in the new L0004, it prints garbage on the console. What's more, the _old_ L0004 doesn't print anything on the console anymore. Any ideas? TIA, John W.

23 years, 2 months

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TELEX machine, modems

by grg2＠attbi.com

Hi, I have just bought a nice clean TELEX machine, it's a TTY-32, 5-level coding, with what looks like a phone line hookup, dial-type phone. I wonder if anybody knows what the modem standard is for this, and/or any phone number I could call to test this thingy out! Thanks, George

23 years, 2 months

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Recent Find: Votrax PSS

by r.stek＠snet.net

Patrick - I dug out my Votrax manual (1982), and can give you the voltages: Pins 1-3, 26 VAC, 180 ma Pin 2, 20 VDC, 50 ma Pin 4 is 0 volt reference Unfortunately I don't have a PS for mine either. Be careful if you find a PS from the Votrax Type 'N Talk. It also has the 5 pin DIN, but it puts out: Pins 2-4, 19.8 VDC, .35A Pins 1-3, 17.0 VAC, 1.0A I do have a working TNT, and it is cool! Also, the DIP switch configuration on the PSS: (1 is up, 0 is down) 1-3 baud rate: 000 - 9600 100 - 4800 010 - 2400 110 - 1200 001 - 600 101 - 300 011 - 150 111 - 75 4 up - xon/xoff for serial port 4 down - rts 5 - unused 6 up - power-up message spoken 6 down - power-up message not spoken 7 up - parallel port used as input port 7 down - serial port used as input port 8 up - self-test - continuously performs diagnostic test - no access to PSS in this mode 8 down -normal operating condition Bob Stek Saver of Lost Sols

23 years, 2 months

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(no subject)

by mail.list＠analog-and-digital-solutions.com

Hey, Here's one for the Military members, and taxpayers, of the list ... >from the "serial killer", "dick", "genital lice" that we are here in Virginia ... The Navy recently needed some Ariel Hydra Plus DSP boards and contacted me about them. They mentioned also searching eBay. Well, I ended up seeing some at ... Ariel Hydra VME single board DSP computer http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=162&item=2302043683 I talked to the seller and he thought he had a thousand dollar reserve on them. I told him, no, no reserve, just $500 opening bid. He had made a mistake listing it and ended the auction because of his mistake. I couldn't buy them. My buying budget couldn't cover $1000 boards that I wasn't sure were even going to be the right part ( minor difference in last digit of part number) and I'm not an extraordinarily strong player. But I gave the client the seller's phone number, and seems they may have had possibilities. Response from client ... > Bennett: > Will do. The boards on Ebay do not have the VSB option that we ideally require, however these boards still may > be workable. We are researching to find out what the slightly different part number denotes. We are still > interested in any additional leads you may be able to find. Thanks for your work on this! I still want to follow up and see if this worked out. Wish I could have made a little to cover my bills, but didn't seem doable on this one. But I might have saved you all a lot of money, and might have solved a national need. Can't post client contact info though. Having anyone pestering my clients would be a no no. But, might have built up the karma level. Right now I might see the light at the end of the tunnel on a project for the Saudi government. ( They are our allies ). Also just donated a chassis to Cornell University ... http://wwwapps.ups.com/etracking/tracking.cgi?TypeOfInquiryNumber=T&Inquiry… With chassis, you can't get enough for them to make them worth packaging and shipping. So my terms were the mailing center had to do it. Plus I didn't have suitable materials. Used to wish we could bring some of you with us, but you made it seem better to go it alone. Incidently, with the situation overseas, the US military and many defense contractors are currently re-evaluating their spares levels. Best Regards

23 years, 2 months

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DEC VT 320 with Terminal Disease - help?

by trestivo＠concentric.net

Mark, I followed your thread about troubleshooting your monitor. I have a warehouse in Melbourne Florida with some good and probably some bad VT320's on the shelves. If you zero in on a bad part or suspect something as bad and would like to replace it send me an email and if I can pull one from a unit here it's yours for the cost of shipping. regards, thom

23 years, 2 months

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3151 terminal keyboard

by j.pepas＠mail.utexas.edu

hello, I recently inherited an IBM 3151 terminal, but no keyboard! As some of you may know, this terminal used a keyboard with an RJ-45 jack on it. I have been able to find pinouts of both the terminal keyboard connector and a regular AT style keyboard. I connected all the wires appropriatly, but no go. The terminal still says "Problem in keyboard". so, two questions. 1) is it even possible to use an AT or PS/2 keyboard with a 3151 terminal? 2) if so, how? ps, I am not subscribed, so please cc to me. thanks, jason pepas

23 years, 2 months

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Fwd: WTB: 8" floppy drive

by jss＠subatomix.com

BAU; reply to original author. ---------- Begin forwarded message ---------- From: Mohammad Asim Khan <masimk2003(a)yahoo.com> Date: Friday, February 21, 2003, 8:49:20 AM Subject: Required 8" Floppy Drive I need of Following 8" Floppy Drive. Please send me the detail and price of it. Model FDD-412 A Hitachi, Capacity 1.6 MB HHT 24v / 5v Thanks Mohamamd Asim Khan masimk2003(a)yahoo.com ---------- End forwarded message ---------- -- Jeffrey Sharp

23 years, 2 months

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FYI: 25th Anniversary of Ward Christensen's BBS

by swtpc6800＠attbi.com

> Er, I don't think the modem was invented in late 50's. > While U.S. Robotics did not invent the modem, they were one of the first companies to sell them for home use. Here are some U.S. Robotics data sheets that I got in February 1978. http://www.swtpc.com/mholley/USR/USR_Modem.htm I don't want to argue about who was first to sell a modem. I just think it is neat that U.S. Robotics is still around and I have these data sheets Michael Holley www.swtpc.com/mholley Thanks to Jay West for providing the web servers for www.swtpc.com.

23 years, 2 months

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