- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

I found an odd looking board today that I THINK might be some kind of delay line memory. I'm trying to find out more about the ICs used on it but I'm not finding much. Can anyone id these ICs? MC1662L, MC1043P, MC1010P and MC1040P? They are all 14 pin DIPs expect for the 1662, it is a 16 pin DIP. All of them are dated 1973 to 1976. They are definitely not sync chips or PICS! The board itself has seven glass or plastic cylinders about 3 1/2" long and 1/4" in diameter. Each cylinder is wound with a twisted pair of fine wires. Besides the beginning and ending points there are six additional taps in the windings. (A total of 8 connections per wire per cylinder). There are four 1662s next to each cylinder and the white wire of the pair is coupled to them. The red pair of the pair connects to a post that goes through the board. On the back of the the board is a daughter board that is seated on the posts. It has the 1040s, 1043 and 1010s on it. This board also has a row of four ICs for each cylinder. There are two 1043s and an two 1040s in each row and they apppear to connect to the posts that connect back to the red leads on the cylinders. The four 1010s are mounted on the bottom of the board between the rows of ICs and seem to be pre-drivers or some such. There's also a row of pre-drivers or something like that on the main board. They use MC1668L s and there are seven of them. These boards came out of a LARGE test system built by Tektronix. (The same one that I pulled the DEC PDP-11/35 out of.) But someone else pulled these and I'm not sure what unit that came from. The main board and outside panel are marked "2941 Delay" and the daugherboard is marked "Delay Register". Any ideas what these boards are? Can anyone positively id the ICs? Joe

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HP storage formats on ss80 protocol disks

by peterbrown10＠hotmail.com

Hi Joe, Bill, Tony, Sorry for the delay in replying - the 'proper' job takes precedence unfortunately! Joe - bit of a typo on my part the 9133 appears to be CS/80. Can you explain the differences between CS/80 and SS/80? I seem to remember that CS stands for Command Set and SS stands for Sub Set but other than my lack of knowledge is complete. I have an HP 1000 based system (the 5451c) that runs 7900 and 7906 drives - are these CS/80 based too? It would be useful if I could back the software up on these. I think that the HP ISA card just allowed you to put DOS partitions on HPIB disks not read partitions in other formats. How can I tell if the drive is from an HP 9000 200 or an HP 9000 300 series system? Do you still have your HP LIF foramt description document? - any chance of a copy? Bill - Thanks for clarifying the HP 88500A harware capabilities Tony - thanks for the pointers with the LIF format. I took your byte tables and overlaid them with the data blocks that I am pulling off the disk and they agree very well (all of the record position / record length values seem to be correct). I have a few questions. The volumme label / descriptor block, bytes 16-19, returns a directory length of 1 but when I directory the disk I get around 280 filenames. A directory of one block would only support 32 files - where am I going wrong? In the tracks per surface, Number of surfaces, Records per track fields I get all zeros - does this just mean that the drive does not report them? What is the LIF file structure for text files? Thanks for your replies Cheers Peter Brown _________________________________________________________________ Get Hotmail on your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/mobile

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Classic Computer Software stores?

by nampcjr＠yahoo.com

Well, one of the "stores" I found was an online one. Granted, its not the GREATEST place as far as quantity and selection, but they didnt have what I was looking for either.http://shop.store.yahoo.com/classicsoftware/clasadgam.html Another place I have been looking, and even posted a place on the "wait list" is called the "Ye Olde Infocom Shop". Its a trader who has a nice selection of items...for trade and for sale as well....and NOT all just Infocom stuff...http://www.if-legends.org/~yois/index.php Im looking for the boxed version of Agent USA, but if someone accidentally slipped an image to me, I would not cry either...but my goal is to have the original....There is a remake out there on the abandonware scene....but I hate to tell them...it is just that...a remake....no game of 1.6mb fit on one 5.25" DSDD floppy :) Brian The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo.

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Wanted: TRS-80 PC-2 Pocket Computer Plotter pens

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Apr 17, 7:20, Ethan Dicks wrote: > What I could _really_ use is a source of the gear that fits directly > on the X and Y motor shafts. I have tried going to local RC car and > model train shops, but they don't carry gears. This thread has come > up before, but I still don't know how to sit down and accurately > determine the physical characteristics of these gears to the > satsifaction of a mail-order gear vendor. I can mic the shaft, I > can count teeth, but the rest eludes me. There are two common ways of specifying gears. One is by diametral pitch (DP), where you specify, in effect, the distance between teeth (actually it's done by dividing the number of teeth by the pitch diameter). The other, mostly used for metric gears, is by "module", and is the reciprocal of DP, ie you divide the pitch diameter by the number of teeth. Gears that mesh will have the same DP (and, of course the same module). The trick is to find the pitch diameter -- that's the "effective" diameter of the gear wheel. If you're using DP, for normal gears the amount of the tooth above and below the pitch diameter, called the addendum and dedendum, is standardised, and it conveniently works out such that if you can accurately measure the outside diameter (OD), and you can count the number of teeth (t), you can easily work out the DP without actually measuring the pitch diameter directly: OD = (t+2) / DP therefore DP = (t+2) / OD and if you do need to know the pitch diameter, then since DP = t/p it's just p = t/DP. There's just one caveat: those formulae only apply to gears with a 20 degree pressure angle, and with more than 15 or so teeth (otherwise you need to make some corrections as the angles get more extreme). -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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FS/A: (photos) Northern Telecom DisplayPhone

by big_boy_toddy＠yahoo.com

http://sdo.dyndns.org/auctions/images/displayphoneGoing to try again, seems formatting is off.Make an offer.ThanksTodd Nathan (remove dotski and put ".") The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo.

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Classic Computer Software stores?

by nampcjr＠yahoo.com

Hello all Can anyone direct me to some decent Classic computer software vendors or stores. I have found a few over the months that sold a lot of "New-old stock" which is interesting, but have been unable to find my "Agent USA" for IBM yet. (I used to own it). Maybe someone here has it? Brian The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo.

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Wanted: TRS-80 PC-2 Pocket Computer Plotter pens

by Robert_Feldman＠jdedwards.com

Go back to the hobby shop and flip through some RC magazines to locate gear vendors (or just Google for them). Then send out some emails describing what you need. -----Original Message----- From: Ethan Dicks [mailto:erd_6502@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2003 9:20 AM To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: Wanted: TRS-80 PC-2 Pocket Computer Plotter pens <snip> What I could _really_ use is a source of the gear that fits directly on the X and Y motor shafts. I have tried going to local RC car and model train shops, but they don't carry gears. <snip>

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tape stuck in a TK70

by ClassicComputers＠bouncy-castle.demon.co.uk

How does one get a tape out of a TK70 when it doesn't want to let it go? Tried powering on / off a few times, hitting the unload button 3 or 4 times in quick succession etc. Wish the TK50 / TK70 QBUS controller cards had some firmware diagnostics that one could access, like retension tape, unload tape, etc... greg

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It's Alive! (HP 1000)

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

Last night I cleaned up the HP 1000 that I picked up a couple of days ago and double-checked everything. Then I powered it up. It came up with no problems. Next I punched in some code into the front panel and run it. I spent three hours or more changing the program around, moving it to different memory locations, running it with different data, etc. Everything is working perfectly. The two broken switches haven't been a problem. I just poke my finger into the hole in the panel and press the contacts. Now I have to get busy and built a terminal cable and hook up hard drive. Joe

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(photos) of Northern Telecom (NT) DisplayPhone Plus NT6K90AC

by big_boy_toddy＠yahoo.com

Oh, and I also thought maybe some photos of the unitswould help folks see and realize what they are and enjoythe 'old stuff' and also the great shape these are in...http://sdo.dyndns.org/auctions/images/nt6k90/Thanks for being patient with me, this is my first, andhopefully last post to the group. These lovely classiccomputing devices need to find a friendly home.Todd Nathan The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo.

23 years

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HH drives

by aeg＠paradise.net.nz

Hi All I have a newbie question <collective groan from list> I don't have much experience with HH type drives and recently unearthed a Wyse Technologies machine at the local refuse recycling centre (it's a shop rather than me wading though a landfill site - I'm not that desperate). Inside this machine (stated built in 1986) were two HH type 5.25" hard drives (one a Segate ST-251 the other not branded but built 1989). On boot up I get: Pheonix 80386 ROM BIOS version 3.53 (c) 1985, 1986 Pheonix Technologies Ltd 640K Base 1408K Extended Memory Hard Disk Failure I have booted the system using a floppy and one drive (the unbranded one) is partially readable. It is a 41Mb drive split into two partitions (primary & extended) - FAT16 system It seems to have been installed with DRDOS. Using my later versions of DOS on floppy I cannot get the drive to respond to any standard commands (I always get a 'Sector not found' error). Can anything be done to revive these disks or were they left unparked and now physically damaged? I have another 5.25" hard drive displaying the same unresponsive characteristics... are they all dead? Thanks in advance Alan

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Looking for docs for the IC86 assembler

by vcf＠siconic.com

Does anyone have documentation for an 8086 assembler called IC86? There are some docs on the web but I'm trying to find a full set for someone I'm returning a favor to. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *

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ASR33 reader

by charlesmorris＠direcway.com

OK now the light has finally come on. Thanks to all who provided different pieces of the puzzle. I had assumed that the PDP-8 turned on the reader, read in however many words from the tape reader it wanted, and then shut it off. It never occurred to me that DEC would toggle this line on every character read, let alone hard-wire this function, given the very slow speed of the tape compared to even a PDP-8! I suppose I could have figured this out by looking at the M706 schematic though... So I'll put a relay in my ASR33 but I'm don't think I'll wire the power switch connections, just the reader magnet path. I wouldn't be using the 8/L and TTY without both being turned on anyway, and only an SPST contact will be required. -Charles >From: Ethan Dicks <erd_6502(a)yahoo.com> >The KCC IOT (6032) clears the Reader Run flip-flop that drives >the buffer that activates the relay. >When the code running on the PDP-8 tells the console hardware to read a >byte from the console, the normal sequence of IOTs toggles the bit without >any extra programming required.

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Where can one find 2.5 inch floppy disks, and other odd sizes

by kurtk7＠visi.com

I know this is a strange request for help, but I have done a lot of searching for sources of odd sized floppy disks, and haven't had much luck. The 8" disks are not so much a problem, but from what I can tell, there were 2.0, 2.5, 2.8, 3.0, 3.25, and 4.0 inch formats and finding even one example has become a challenge for me. Since 3" disks were popular with the Sinclair systems, these can be had off Ebay, but what of the rest? Its a personal quest to one one copy of every type of removable media and if anyone has any ideas, sources, information, it would be most appreciated. I hope to post the collection to a website as I don't think it has been done. Thanks for any input Kurt (Still seeking a copy of the manual for the Jupiter Ace 4000, but I am hopeful as there is one possible source if I am lucky)

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Fluke pod

by Mhooks10＠cs.com

Joe, I was searching for a fluke pod for the 6502 processor and found a newsgroup post of yours. Did you ever find the 8088 pod you were looking for? I have one to trade or sell. Mark Hooks

23 years

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PCI cards available

by anheier＠owt.com

I have two recent pulls, functionality unknown: ATTO Express PCI PSC Single channel ultrawide SCSI-3 host adapter, $15 3Com Fast Etherlink XL PCI 10/100BASE TX, $10 prefer paypal, contact me off line Thanks Norm

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HP storage formats on ss80 protocol disks

by vassilip＠dsl.cis.upenn.edu

"Peter Brown" <peterbrown10(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > It strikes me that an application that enables the information on a cs/80 > drive to be pulled onto a PC, backed-up on another format (e.g. CD ROM) and > then written back to the cs80 drive would be useful - does such an > application already exist? Well if you have an HP9000 computer running HP-UX you can use dd to get a copy of the disk image. > It looks as though the first block on the disk (block 0) contains some drives do, others are hard partitioned (by the drive logic) to 2 or more partitions, so what you are looking at may be just the catalog of the first partition. NetBSD (an Open Source Unix clone) supports the HP 9000 architecture so the kernel source code (available from www.netbsd.org) contains drives to access cs80 mass storage devices over HP-IB. **vp

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FWD: Try this security update from Microsoft. (fwd)

by donm＠cts.com

This guy has obviously mined the classiccmp mail list for his address list! - don ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 11:00:02 +0200 From: Alexander Thaler <alexander.thaler(a)wasi.tv> To: peraza(a)uia.ua.ac.be, ingesudl(a)aol.com, anonymouys(a)bogus-address.con, fodder1(a)ureach.com, iam(a)here.com, j.bus(a)athccnet.dotnl, rstevew(a)deepthought.armory.com, fjscipio(a)rochester.rr.com, dmabry(a)mich.com, anthony.rhill(a)tiscali.co.uk, ralf_quint(a)hottmail.com, raj(a)rijhwani.org, prhunt(a)dyson.brisnet.org.au, herby(a)memotech.franken.de, mike(a)spurgeon.net, anonymous(a)bogus-address.con, jimbo(a)sonic.net, seanb51229(a)aol.com, rkulhanek(a)gmx.de, usenetreply(a)xs4all.nl, rolfharrmann(a)t-online.de, stanb45(a)dial.pipex.com, msxhans(a)yahoo.com, peter.schorn(a)acm.org, shirkahn(a)busoutoshi.net, j.cammell(a)xtra.co.nz, niemz(a)hagemann-druck.de, wes.parish(a)paradise.net.nz, bill_leary(a)msn.com, john(a)guntersville.net, rdoerr(a)bizserve.com, kth(a)srv.net, halbower(a)worldnet.att.net, tmartin(a)s100classics.org, ruud.baltissen(a)abp.nl, harry_zandbergen(a)hotmail.com, a.stuurman(a)kader.hobby.nl, m10766(a)abc.se, terrygski(a)cfl.rr.com, invalid_email(a)guestwho.com, john.hotdog.jardine(a)hotmail.com, vze337gt(a)verizon.net, supertrone(a)hotmail.com, dkelvey(a)hotmail.com, rgerlach(a)nowhere.com.au, peacock(a)simconv.com, stevejdubrovich(a)digitalme.com, hharte(a)hartetec.com, thosmm(a)yahoo.com, donm(a)crash.cts.com, snyder(a)gonzaga.edu, jgh(a)arcade.demon.co.uk, c(a)c.com, larry_fosdick(a)hotmail.com, anonymous(a)bogus_address.con, greenwoo(a)misu.nodak.edu, ndrez(a)att.net, hjohnson(a)zzznjcc.com, salle.arobase(a)wanadoo.fr, mjmahon(a)aol.com, cbfalconer(a)worldnet.att.net, cbfalconer(a)yahoo.com, axel_berger(a)su2.maus.de, leeahart(a)earthlink.net, daveh(a)ci.com.au, s_dubrovich(a)yahoo.com, jce(a)seasip.demon.co.uk, paralegl(a)cwo.com, watzman(a)neo.rr.com, blackm00(a)cam.org Subject: FWD: Try this security update from Microsoft. ----- Original message follows ----- Microsoft Customer this is the latest version of security update, the "April 2003, Cumulative Patch" update which eliminates all known security vulnerabilities affecting Internet Explorer, Outlook and Outlook Express as well as five newly discovered vulnerabilities. Install now to protect your computer from these vulnerabilities, the most serious of which could allow an attacker to run executable on your system. This update includes the functionality of all previously released patches. System requirements: Win 9x/Me/2000/NT/XP <snip> [demime 1.01a removed an attachment of type APPLICATION/X-MSDOWNLOAD which had a NAME of update797.exe]

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DEC disk packs

by tradde＠excite.com

I could use some RL02s myself, but am also in the US. Tim Radde _______________________________________________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web!

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FWD: Try this security update from Microsoft. (fwd)

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

Hi Don I've gotten this several times on my hotmail account as well. I just hope that most people are not stupid enough to ask for it and put it on their machines. I doubt anyone on this list is that stupid so mining list list would be a waste of time. Dwight >From: "Don Maslin" <donm(a)cts.com> > >This guy has obviously mined the classiccmp mail list for his >address list! > - don > >---------- Forwarded message ---------- >Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 11:00:02 +0200 >From: Alexander Thaler <alexander.thaler(a)wasi.tv> >To: peraza(a)uia.ua.ac.be, ingesudl(a)aol.com, anonymouys(a)bogus-address.con, > fodder1(a)ureach.com, iam(a)here.com, j.bus(a)athccnet.dotnl, > rstevew(a)deepthought.armory.com, fjscipio(a)rochester.rr.com, dmabry(a)mich.com, > anthony.rhill(a)tiscali.co.uk, ralf_quint(a)hottmail.com, raj(a)rijhwani.org, > prhunt(a)dyson.brisnet.org.au, herby(a)memotech.franken.de, mike(a)spurgeon.net, > anonymous(a)bogus-address.con, jimbo(a)sonic.net, seanb51229(a)aol.com, > rkulhanek(a)gmx.de, usenetreply(a)xs4all.nl, rolfharrmann(a)t-online.de, > stanb45(a)dial.pipex.com, msxhans(a)yahoo.com, peter.schorn(a)acm.org, > shirkahn(a)busoutoshi.net, j.cammell(a)xtra.co.nz, niemz(a)hagemann-druck.de, > wes.parish(a)paradise.net.nz, bill_leary(a)msn.com, john(a)guntersville.net, > rdoerr(a)bizserve.com, kth(a)srv.net, halbower(a)worldnet.att.net, > tmartin(a)s100classics.org, ruud.baltissen(a)abp.nl, > harry_zandbergen(a)hotmail.com, a.stuurman(a)kader.hobby.nl, m10766(a)abc.se, > terrygski(a)cfl.rr.com, invalid_email(a)guestwho.com, > john.hotdog.jardine(a)hotmail.com, vze337gt(a)verizon.net, > supertrone(a)hotmail.com, dkelvey(a)hotmail.com, rgerlach(a)nowhere.com.au, > peacock(a)simconv.com, stevejdubrovich(a)digitalme.com, hharte(a)hartetec.com, > thosmm(a)yahoo.com, donm(a)crash.cts.com, snyder(a)gonzaga.edu, > jgh(a)arcade.demon.co.uk, c(a)c.com, larry_fosdick(a)hotmail.com, > anonymous(a)bogus_address.con, greenwoo(a)misu.nodak.edu, ndrez(a)att.net, > hjohnson(a)zzznjcc.com, salle.arobase(a)wanadoo.fr, mjmahon(a)aol.com, > cbfalconer(a)worldnet.att.net, cbfalconer(a)yahoo.com, axel_berger(a)su2.maus.de, > leeahart(a)earthlink.net, daveh(a)ci.com.au, s_dubrovich(a)yahoo.com, > jce(a)seasip.demon.co.uk, paralegl(a)cwo.com, watzman(a)neo.rr.com, > blackm00(a)cam.org >Subject: FWD: Try this security update from Microsoft. > > >----- Original message follows ----- > >Microsoft Customer > >this is the latest version of security update, the >"April 2003, Cumulative Patch" update which eliminates all >known security vulnerabilities affecting Internet Explorer, >Outlook and Outlook Express as well as five newly discovered >vulnerabilities. Install now to protect your computer from these >vulnerabilities, the most serious of which could allow an attacker to >run executable on your system. This update includes the functionality >of all previously released patches. > >System requirements: >Win 9x/Me/2000/NT/XP > ><snip> > >[demime 1.01a removed an attachment of type APPLICATION/X-MSDOWNLOAD which had a NAME of update797.exe]

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Big Want List

by vcf＠siconic.com

I'm working on a rather large project and am looking for the following computers and hardware: Cromemco Z2D (and periperhals) Cromemco System Three (and peripherals) Centronics printer (103 or any model) DEC Rainbow 100 (and peripherals) DEC Pro350 Heathkit H11 (and peripherals) Micro-Term ACT I (terminal) NEC SpinWriter NorthStar Dimension Ohio Scientific Challenger (any model, prefer II or III) OSM Zeus (any model) SWTPc 6800 (and peripherals) Vector Graphics (prefer MZ/2) Fortune Systems 32:16 Dynalogic Hyperion Corvus Concept (and peripherals) (Peripherals include monitors, keyboards, terminals, disk drives, hard drives, printers, etc.) I am also interested in any and all collateral material including: * System software (originals preferred) * Application software (originals preferred) * Manuals and schematics * Related magazines * Related books * Ephemera such as posters, buttons, mugs, etc. If you have anything on the above list please contact me with an asking price. International or domestic. I can also be reached by phone at +1 925/294-5900. Thanks! -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *

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New finds: documentation

by pat＠purdueriots.com

Just picked these up today, "helping to clean out" a room in my department at Purdue. I now have a small VAX/VMS Orange Wall: - Basic User's Manual - Basic Reference Guide - System Manager's manual Volumes 1-6 - Guide to VAX/VMS Disk and Magnetic Tape Operations - 8" Floppy: "AS-1T215G-DE 071812 RX41 11780 EUROPE RD CONSOLE PROPERTY OF DEC (C)1981,84 Digital Equipment Corporation" -- has a sticker with the number "18" on it. - "Introduction to the PDP-11/80 Resource Sharing Timesharing System/Extended (RSTS/E) G.F. Wyncott William I. Bormann" 106 pages. -- George Wyncott still works here, and does software licensing for Purdue. Marked "W0 RSTS (3/86)" - presumably from March 1986? - "RSTS/E Device Requests" by Jeffrey L. Clark, "(11/79) W0-DEVICE". 19 pages. I'm hoping to get time to scan the last two documents, which are interesting to read, and possibly somewhat helpful to RSTS/E people. Also, they don't have Copyrights on them, so I'll try to get them posted to my website. If anyone is interested in a copy of anything here, let me know off-list. Pat -- Purdue University ITAP/RCS Information Technology at Purdue Research Computing and Storage http://www-rcd.cc.purdue.edu

23 years

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aviion 4000 info

by classiccmp＠crash.com

pmulry wrote: > I recently aquired a Data General 4000 series server [...] It's highly possible that the NVRAM's lithium battery will have died ("gone flat") by now. This is the case with both the AV410 and AV4300 I have. My AV530s/5500 seem to be okay, but it's just a matter of time before they face the same problem. The machines with dead NVRAM will give some cryptic indication of the problem like printing "IDPROM" and nothing else, and refuse to initialize/boot on power-up. 'r. bear stricklin' was collecting NVRAM dumps for analysis, so we can try to load usable data into replacement parts, but I've no idea where that stands. I haven't bothered getting a part to see if, like Suns, the machine will function at all with an uninitialized NVRAM. Anyway if you search the archive for his name or Aviion I'm sure you'll find the relevant post. Or head to this URL: http://www.bears.org/~red/museum/aviion-nvram.html The 88k Aviions were frequently SMP capable, though unless you've got rackmount or square/big deskside units they're probably just 2-way. If you think the daughter card on yours is a second CPU complex, look for a chip marked 88100 or 88110; those are the CPUs. The 88200's or 88410 are cache/MMU chips. DG/UX will support SMP out of the box. It's a decent enough SVR4 implementation, with X11 (R?) and some sort of logical volume system. If you're looking for media I may be able to help out, contact me directly/off-list (smj0302 _ crash _ com). Martin Marshall wrote: > http://www-csc.dg.com/csc If you dig around under there, there's a wealth of PDF files about various models. Operations guides, some about installing options and upgrading, low-level programming for a few models. There's been sporadic interest in getting *BSD running on the Aviions, but little activity. OpenBSD runs on several Motorola 88k boards, and I've recently managed to assemble the parts for a complete system, but that's as far as it's gone. I have no history porting OSes, and I'm much more focused on trying to find a job now, so you don't want to hold your breath waiting for me... --Steve.

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1000+ DEC PDF manuals on the web

by classiccmp＠trailing-edge.com

In the hope that others can mirror them, I've put up over 1000 DEC manuals from the late 80's and early 90's up on the web. They hardly seem "classic" to me, since when I started collecting computers these items were brand new, but they *do* meet the 10-year definition! http://www.trailing-edge.com/~shoppa/dec94mds/ Again, if you do set up a publicly-accessible mirror for these I would appreciate it. The last thing I want to do is hoard stuff I've been sitting on for many years. Tim.

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Some Cool Sun stuff Today

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

> A Sun SPARCserver 20 model 544 with 2-20gig HD's, 256 MB memory and loaded > with software but I have no password to login with. Isn't the model that has 4 50Mhz CPU's? If so that *IS* a *VERY COOL* find! You can probably boot it in single user mode and clear the password. Zane

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Amiga 2000 "Video Toaster Powered"

by doc＠mdrconsult.com

Hi. I ran across an Amiga 2000 yesterday, with the front of the case silk-screened "Video Toaster Powered". No cables, keyboard, docs, or anything else, but the price was right. The motherboard is probably junk. The battery has leaked and etched a pretty large area, plus the GVP 030 accelerator (A3001) has dumped rubber sludge on the board. The rubber button on the back of the board *melted* and ran like hot fudge. http://amiga.resource.cx/gallery/A3001-50-back.jpg shows the button intact. Beware; that's a half-meg pic. There is a RAM-32 daughterboard, too, with 2x 4MB SIMMs, http://amiga.resource.cx/gallery/A3001-RAM32.jpg and a GVP SCSI hardcard with a 340MB drive and no DRAMs installed. The Video Toaster boardset is labeled v1.0, but there's a sticker that reads "Eval Board 08/90" It's cabled to a Faruodja Labs board, a "Y/C Separator Board". http://amiga.resource.cx/photos/photo.pl?id=ycp100 Also installed are 2 ISA cards by RGB Computers and Video. http://amiga.resource.cx/photos/photo.pl?id=amilink The short card I have has only 3 BNC connectors - positions 1. 3, and 5, and the long card has only the bottom two. I have another working 2000, so I could replace the motherboard, but I'm not sure I'd gain anything. I have a bunch of questions. I'm not really an "Amiga person", so don't assume any reasonable level of prior knowledge. Where the heck is the video out? I know zip about Video Toaster and even less about the Amilink adapters. All the online documentation assumes I know the basics, like how to hook the durned thing up.... Are there docs for the original VT? Software? I have an OpalVision, with documentation and software. Which is the better board for general futzing around? For animation & graphics? Any docs or software at all for the Amilink setup? Are the SIMMs for the A3001 unobtainium? I have a 33MHz CSI "Derringer 030" in the other 2000, but I don't like the clearance between the top of the accelerator and the drive bay - basically none. Plus, a 50MHz 68030 would be much nicer than a 33MHz. The hardware database page claims that the RAM-32 board needs 4x 1MB SIMMs installed to use the 2 4MB sticks, but this one just has 2x 4MB in the top two slots. Is the database page smoking crack? I haven't seen any pics or mention of the A2000 with the Toaster label on front. I get the impression that this machine is pretty much original - that it wasn't built a piece at a time. Anyone know anything about that? Thanks. Any pointers or help would be appreciated.

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[Slightly OT] IBM Typewriter Ribbons

by cb＠mythtech.net

This is probably off topic, but maybe only slightly. I don't know the age of the Typewriters in question. Does anyone need 3 unopened typewriter ribbons for an IBM/Lexmark typewriter. I don't know which model specifically, but the ribbon is labeled as: IBM Easystrike Superior Write Correctable Ribbon #1380999 by Lexmark If anyone has the typewriter these go to and wants 3 of these ribbons, unopened, still in their box, let me know... you can have them (just pay postage, they should be under one pound so it should be really cheap). Also, if anyone knows what typewriter they go to, let me know. I'm curious why I have 3 of them, and maybe if I knew what they went to I might know why they were purchased. They are going in the trash in the next few days, so respond quick if you want them. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Fwd: Seeking good home(s) for old hardware [UK]

by vaxzilla＠jarai.org

Here's something of possible interest to rightpondians. -brian. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 10:23:51 +0000 >From: John Carlyle-Clarke <john.cc(a)nospam.europlacer.co.uk> Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Seeking good home(s) for old hardware Can anyone provide any suggestions, flippant or otherwise, as to where I might seek new homes for some old kit that has been cluttering my attic for many years? My wife is putting her foot down, and frankly I am never going to do anything with it. I am paring down my collection of old computers and peripherals to a few that I will actually use, and trying to find people who will actually use the others. So I need homes for: * SWTPC 6809 computer. Main unit, disk unit inc. 8 1/2" Qume floppy drive, Western digital harddisk controller but no HDD. VDU/terminal (not working). Used to run Uniflex (but I don't have this, since the hard disk crashed and there were no originals provided). I have all the hardware and software manuals. I have seen this computer working but it has been stored a long time. * Remex paper tape reader/writer (works as far as I know, but I don't have the cables for it). * Diablo daisy wheel (have seen it working but about 17 years ago!) It's a long shot, but somebody may be able to help. I can provide more details if anyone is interested. Mail me at jpcc "at" bigfoot "dot" com if you prefer. I am in the UK.

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Wyse 700 not 800

by Innfogra＠aol.com

In a message dated 4/16/03 10:57:45 AM Pacific Daylight Time, cisin(a)xenosoft.com writes: > It was also sold as the Amdek 1280. Try to find a newer version of the > drivers (I doubt that I can find mine). There were drivers available > through Windoze 3.10, as well as drivers for Xerox Ventura, etc. The 1280 > x 800 mode was one of the best of its time. > I used one in a XT about 1990. Great monitor. However I think the monitor is a Wyse 700 not an 800 if you are looking for drivers. Originally with a matching 8 bit ISA double card IIRC. They also made a 19" 7XXX series of High res mono white monitors. Paxton Astoria, OR

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HH drives

by Edward.Tillman＠valero.com

Hmm... If they're FAT16 (2.1Gb max recognition), maybe you can get hold of an old copy of Partition Magic, and see if you can read them with it. Its doubtful that the drives are physically harmed, but the 0 Sector (boot and/or reference sector) will be different with each version of DOS you try. If you can boot from floppy, you may want to reformat the disks (DOS 2.11, or 3.20) and start anew. Do you know what they likely contain? Are they worth the time/effort to recover as-is? Cheers... Ed Tillman Store Automation Tech Support Specialist Valero Energy Corporation San Antonio, Texas, USA Office: (210)592-3110, Fax (210)592-2048 Email: edward.tillman(a)valero.com <mailto:edward.tillman@valero.com> -----Original Message----- From: Alan Greenstreet [mailto:aeg@paradise.net.nz] Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2003 10:55 PM To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Subject: HH drives Hi All I have a newbie question <collective groan from list> I don't have much experience with HH type drives and recently unearthed a Wyse Technologies machine at the local refuse recycling centre (it's a shop rather than me wading though a landfill site - I'm not that desperate). Inside this machine (stated built in 1986) were two HH type 5.25" hard drives (one a Segate ST-251 the other not branded but built 1989). On boot up I get: Pheonix 80386 ROM BIOS version 3.53 (c) 1985, 1986 Pheonix Technologies Ltd 640K Base 1408K Extended Memory Hard Disk Failure I have booted the system using a floppy and one drive (the unbranded one) is partially readable. It is a 41Mb drive split into two partitions (primary & extended) - FAT16 system It seems to have been installed with DRDOS. Using my later versions of DOS on floppy I cannot get the drive to respond to any standard commands (I always get a 'Sector not found' error). Can anything be done to revive these disks or were they left unparked and now physically damaged? I have another 5.25" hard drive displaying the same unresponsive characteristics... are they all dead? Thanks in advance Alan

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( Wyse Setup & Test Diskette)

by mmcfadden＠cmh.edu

My first Pc was an Amdek/Wyse 10Mhz 8086. I had installed an RLL 30MB drive in it. We used Wyse's and PS/2 model 25's at work. I have the original hard drive >from my Wyse and the diskettes somewhere. I'll look Mike m m c f a d d e n @ c m h . e d u

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DEC newbie (was need caddy for RRD-42DA CD-ROM drive)

by acme＠ao.net

> i have 2 of these caddies. there is a store in redondo beach ca that had > stacks of them. i don't know if they still do.i can check for you if you > need some. they were top loading. i can part with mine if necessary but > they do go with 2 plextor 4x cdroms. > > jeff duncan Thanks Jeff, but I took Zane's advice and found some on eBay. Later -- Glen 0/0

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ASR33 reader

by charlesmorris＠direcway.com

On Tue, 15 Apr 2003 12:00:01 -0500, Tony Duell wrote: >Ah. With the PDP8/e and PDP11s, there's a relay wired in series with the >reader trip magnet (the one on top of the distributor unit at the rear >right). It allows the computer to start and stop the reader, and in fact >the read a character at a time. It's partly controlled in hardware, in >that when the PDP derects an incoming character, it turns off the relay >(stopping the reader). It's then turned on a again by software >(presumably after said software ahs read the character). My TTY *does* have a relay on the reader "powerpack" board which can be turned on if an XON (DC3, Ctrl-Q) is sent to the typing unit, and off again upon receipt of an XOFF (DC1, Ctrl-S); it also latches itself on if the reader's manual start lever is flipped, until it is pushed to the stop position, or the tape-out contact opens. Is that the relay to which you are referring? Are you sure the 8/e actually goes to the trouble of turning off/on the reader after EVERY character? At 10 cps that's 100,000 uS between characters (60,000 machine cycles on my 8/L)? Meanwhile I have my 33 apart awaiting new function levers that trigger the above flow-control options (someone had installed Ctrl-B and CR instead of the correct Ctrl-S and -Q). Further reader "tuning" will thus be delayed... -Charles

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H89 disk transfer program

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

Hi Sallam See embedded: >From: "Vintage Computer Festival" <vcf(a)siconic.com> > >My knowledge of 8080 assembly is totally weak, but here I go: > >On Tue, 15 Apr 2003, Dwight K. Elvey wrote: > >> BOOTSTRP.ASM >> >> ; 42 BYTE BOOTSTRAP LOADER WITH INIT FOR 8250 >> ; INTENDED FOR THE H89 BUT MAY ASLO WORK ON H8. >> >> >> ORG 2300H >> LDR: XRA A >> OUT LCNTL ; LINE CONTROL >> OUT IER ; NO INTERRUPTS >> OUT MCNTL ; INIT MODEM CONTROL >> DCR A ; SHOULD BE 'MVI A, 80H' BUT 0FFH OK? >> OUT LCNTL >> MVI A, 0CH ; 9600 BAUD >> OUT DVL >> XRA A >> OUT DVH > >Why not move this up so you don't have to repeat the XRA A? Or does this >have to be here? The idea is to clear the IER as early as one can to make sure that no interrupts are generated. Since IER and DVH share the same I/O address and are selected by the MSB of the LCNTL, I needs to clear both LCNTL and IER first. Note: the DCR A causes the MSB to be set for the LCNTL that selects the baud rate registers, DVL and DVH. > >> MVI A, 07H ; 8 BIT 2 STOPS >> OUT LCNTL >> IN LSTAT >> IN RX ; CLEAR ANY JUNK >> LXI H, 2400H ; DEPENDS ON SIZE (TO BE DETERMINED) >> LDR1: IN LSTAT >> ANI 01 >> JZ LDR1 ; WAIT FOR CHAR >> IN RX >> MOV M,A >> DCX H >> JMP LDR ; ADDRESS TO BE OVER WRITTEN BY CODE LOADED > >How does this work if the address is two bytes but the code is loaded one >byte at a time? First, the last JMP LDR was suppose to be JMP LDR1 ( my typo ). As long as the high part of the address of the new code to run was the same as LDR1, by writing one byte at a time, overwriting the same high part would not cause the JMP LDR1 to change its action. The next byte to be over written would be the low part of the address. when this happened, the JMP NEW would happen instead. One just need to make sure that the start address of the NEW code has the same high byte. In this case, I can just put it right after the JMP LDR1. It would look something like: Tail end of boot strap: 2328 DCX H 2329 JMP 232A 1E 232B 23 New code to run after load: ORG 232A DW $+2 NEW: New code starts here . . . As you can see, the two will overlap and the final JMP of the bootstrap will be modified to point to the new code on the last loaded value. This is why it is loaded backwards. I should note that Patrick Rigney found one more byte to remove. The sequence: ANI 01 JZ LDR1 could be replaced by: RAR JNC LDR1 Later Dwight > >-- > >Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org > > * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *

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Apple II Corvus drives?

by alhartman＠yahoo.com

> From: Martin Scott Goldberg <wgungfu(a)csd.uwm.edu> > > Anyone have any extra old Corvus hard drives? I'm > looking for on for my Apple II display. Thanks! > > Marty I have an "H" series drive and an Apple II specific Omnidrive. Not 100% sure that they are still working, as they have been in storage for over 10 years. I also have controller cards and manuals/software for them. I'd love to adopt them out to a good home, and wouldn't want much for them. I just can't stand to throw classic computer stuff out, but would love to lighten the load around here... They are heavy and shipping would be expensive. It would probably cost more to ship the units than I'd want for them... Contact me off list if you're interested... Regards, Al Hartman The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com

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Disk and CD found Inside Two Sparc's

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

Today I found a 3.5 floppy in the SPARCstation 10 with the labeling saying SPARC BSD is on it, I have been able to read it yet. In the cd-rom drive on the SPARCserver 20 I found cd titled ORACLE8i The Complete Reference. I can read the cd with my windows machine.

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H89 disk transfer program

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

Hi Here is the code I have so far. I've shortened it a bunch but I don't think I can get it much shorter. I desided not to use any special Z80 instructions because I want this to work with the H8's as well ( these are 8080 box's but can run HDOS ). It is down to about 42 ( decimal ) bytes. If anyone can remove some more that would be great. I'm using the over writing of the jump address at the end of the code to stop loading and begin using the main down loader. This saved quite a bit of code but it means that I need to load the main loader backwards. This is a pain but not that big of a deal, compared to typing in a lot of bytes. For this code, if someone thinks of some other method that does something like self modifying code, I'm game to that. This is a boot strap and the key is being small. There are no other rules. I thought it would be a good idea to also have the ability in the main loader to save the main loader to disk as a bootable image. This would make it easier because one wouldn't need to keep typing in the first bootstrap loader every time one got more images to load, like a week later. Dwight BOOTSTRP.ASM ; 42 BYTE BOOTSTRAP LOADER WITH INIT FOR 8250 ; INTENDED FOR THE H89 BUT MAY ASLO WORK ON H8. ORG 2300H LDR: XRA A OUT LCNTL ; LINE CONTROL OUT IER ; NO INTERRUPTS OUT MCNTL ; INIT MODEM CONTROL DCR A ; SHOULD BE 'MVI A, 80H' BUT 0FFH OK? OUT LCNTL MVI A, 0CH ; 9600 BAUD OUT DVL XRA A OUT DVH MVI A, 07H ; 8 BIT 2 STOPS OUT LCNTL IN LSTAT IN RX ; CLEAR ANY JUNK LXI H, 2400H ; DEPENDS ON SIZE (TO BE DETERMINED) LDR1: IN LSTAT ANI 01 JZ LDR1 ; WAIT FOR CHAR IN RX MOV M,A DCX H JMP LDR ; ADDRESS TO BE OVER WRITTEN BY CODE LOADED

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cctalk digest, Vol 1 #556 - 46 msgs

by alhartman＠yahoo.com

> From: Doc Shipley <doc(a)mdrconsult.com> > > I find myself in the highly amusing position of > siding with Sellam, > sort of. > > I refuse to take seriously anything that is > quoted out of context. > You haven't posted his entire messages, nor the full > text of your own side of the exchange. As a matter of fact, I did. Those ARE his entire messages in full. They are NOT out of context. Anyone who would like to read my replies may e-mail me off list to get them. I will send them in full. > You did mention in your previous post that you > *had* used the term "Islamic Idiot", "although not > referring to Sellam himself." Al, that > was pretty dumb, at best, and malicious at worst. So, you don't think that celebrating the death of courageous Astronauts, and using their death to claim that Allah was against the U.S. and punished it wasn't "pretty dumb, at best, and malicious at worst."? I stand by my comment. I think people who are trying to make this a war against Islam, rather than a war against Terrorists ARE idiots. And what's funny... It's the Radical Islamics themselves who keep trying to drag all of Islam into the fray. I can only speak for me, but I have MANY, MANY friends who are Islamic. And I enjoy the lives and work of many other people who are followers of Islam. And I would reject in the loudest terms that All of Islam is bad. > Especially considering that Sellam is well and > widely known for trumping with the race card, and > for being very sensitive concerning his heritage. That's not my problem. I don't take offense when people talk about Germans, or Italians or Irish. And if you haven't missed it... Two of the three have been major enemies of the U.S. in wars in the last century, and the last one has been the cause of lots of terrorism as well... I don't take any of that personally, as being German, Irish and Italian does not mean I am a Nazi, a Fascist, or an IRA Terrorist. If others can't seperate themselves from what other people do, either they need some help.. Or feel connected in feeings and desires. I can't control either. But, I won't be stifled in my opinions because someone else wants to coddle people doing wrong because their feelings might be hurt. Sorry. When someone does wrong, they deserve to recieve the negative reaction from it. It's how society shows it's displeasure at wrong actions. > > I am posting this to the list so that members can > > observe for themselves the behavior of one of it's > > members... > > We all know how Sellam behaves on list, and many > of us have been exposed to his behavior off list. > I vote "not interested" There's enough crap here > without dragging up more from outside. Ok.. I posted these messages because I want it to stop. I want him to stop doing this, rather than having it tolerated. You say you know about it. How about doing something about it, rather than letting others be attacked and harrassed by him? Because, I'm not willing to just ignore him and allow him to attack others on the list in the future. That's wrong. If he does not receive strong admonishment and feedback that his behaviour is unacceptable (and just letting him go on and do it unchallenged tells him it's ok....), why would he ever stop? He dominates this list and uses it to support his business. He receives a HUGE benefit from this list, that I would not deny him. In return for that, he needs to control himself and treat members of this list with the respect he himself receives. > You know who the maintainer is, if you have a > problem with someone's behavior on the list. You > evidently know also how to contact Sellam's > ISP. If you're being threatened, I suggest > contacting your local LEA. I do NOT know who the maintainer is. Can you give me an E-Mail Address for them? I simply sent copies of Sellam's Email and a complaint to "Postmaster@hisdomain". For all I know, that is he himself, and he got the complaint and is snickering about it... So, posting to this list was an attempt to get others to cooperate in stopping his hate, without resorting to the "LEA" (What is that?) or another Govermental Agency. > But none of what you've posted here is useful here, > and it comes off as simple character assassination. I did nothing to assasinate his character. If reposting his messages does that, that's his problem. I don't post anything that I don't want to come back to haunt me. I certainly don't post messages to people off the list and curse at them, or call them nasty names. OR, falsely accuse them of being racist... LOL! > > Doc Thanks Doc! I appreciate the time and thought that went into your post. Regards, Al Hartman The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com

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cctalk digest, Vol 1 #556 - 46 msgs

by alhartman＠yahoo.com

> From: Joe <rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com> > Subject: Al, the idiot! was RE: Apple Lisa XL on > eBay > > Al, what are you, some king of F***** idiot? > That certainly didn't qualify as hate speech or > "mean-spirited". As for backing it up, where have > you been for the last year? Did you miss the news > that Enron, Adelphi, World Com and a number of other > companies have been looted and ruined by their own > management? Not only did they wipe out their > companies but they also wiped out the life savings > and retirements of tens of thousands of their > company employees and millions of stock holders. What does that have to do with George Bush? > That's just one example of the lack of > administration that I was referring to. Certainly. But of the Clinton Administration, where all this happened during... Not the current Administration. > The gouging of the american consumers by the oil > companies is another. Gas prices have nearly > doubled in the past six months or have you been > living in a cave somewhere and not noticed? I have NOT been living in a cave, and again... How is that the fault of the Bush Administration? If you haven't noticed, his actions have caused the oil prices to start to go back down. Oil prices ALWAYS peak in Winter, and threats of war in the Middle East ALWAYS cause Oil prices to go up, whether the Oil supply is threatened or not. To suggest that Bush leave Saddam to continue to develop WMD's, build up a military to attack his neighbors, and to murder and torture his own citizens is selfish in the extreme. It's a price we have to pay to secure the future safety of the U.S., and the region. > In both cases the perpetraitors are major > supporters (read $$$$) of the Bush administartion. AND the major supporters (read $$$$) of the Clinton Administration AND ALL political parties... Any smart major corporations funds BOTH parties... > Don't get me wrong, I'm a registered Republican, > but I won't stand by and say nothing while the Bush > administration stands idlely by and l! Great to hear that. But, because it's taking longer than you or I would like, doesn't mean they are standing Idlely by... > ets their big dollar supporters rob the american > public. Why don't you ask the members of this list > how many of them have lost their jobs entirely or > have had to take jobs far below their capabilities > because of the lousy economy and stock market? I have myself. And I lost my good job not because of Action of the Bush Administration (that has only been in office about 28 months... But due to the actions over 8 years of the previous one. To expect the current administration to reverse 8 years (actually 12 years, since Bush 41 made some bad moves as well in regards to taxes and our economy) in 28 months is impatient. Especially considering that 9/11 caused TRILLIONS in damage to this economy. The fact that it is as strong as it still is, and rebounding is a testament to his good leadership. We could be a LOT worse off. I still remember the Carter days.... And this ain't those. Anyone who is slamming this administration for the economy or it's leadership has a very short memory. Our economy has been A LOT worse off in recent memory, and isn't so bad now. And is getting better by the day. The President just made a speech, that should kick the market up a few more points today. I just read an article on the CBS website that says that MOST Americans believe that Bush is doing a good job and the economy today is better than a year ago. That's why I called your post nasty and mean-spirited. Because it goes counter to the data in the world. The data that the economy is improving, and that people say Bush is doing a GREAT job as President. > If you wanted to hear about classic computers then > why did you even reply to this message, why didn't > you just ignore it and go on? No one else felt it > necessary to jump in and grossly exaggerate what I > said. They believe in letting stuff pass, or agree with YOUR Gross Exaggeration. It was your message that was the gross exaggeration. Not mine. Sorry. Go pick up any newspaper today, or listen to the news tonight. I don't think you'll find much agreement with your post in them. > Not only did you feel it necessary to mouth > off on the CC-Talk list but you also posted your > batherings to the CC-Tech list! I am not subscribed to the CC-Tech list. If it went there, it was purely by accident. > As a matter of fact, I don't remember ever seeing a > message from you that was about computers. You haven't been looking then. > But you're always eager to but in and shot off your > mouth when someone expresses their opinion! Yes, if I disagree with it... > In the mean time, your village is looking for > you! I assume by this you intend to say I am liberal? Because that is FAR, FAR from the truth. > > Joe > > PS you don't need to bother to reply, you've > just been added to my permanent kill-file. > > <end of rant!> Typical. If you took the time to talk to me, rather than making the harsh assumptions you make in the last few paragraphs of your post. You'd find we agree on a lot of things (except your post), and you might even like me (most people do who take the time to get to know me..). I've posted quite a bit in the last few months on computers. But, I'm out of my depth with the major iron that people talk about here. Ask me anything about HP Laserjet II/III, TRS-80's, Coco's (I worked for Spectrum Projects and wrote for Rainbow Magazine), Timex/Sinclairs (I wrote the front end for a lot of Zebra's Products and the manuals), and Mac Emulation... And while I used an Imsai 8080 (with a Z-80 CPU Card) for several years to run a small mail-order business in the mid-80's. I know little about it, as I only used it. I didn't assemble it or maintain it. I can say, it was a nice machine and did everything we asked of it well. I wonder what Stewart did with it? That was at Zebra Systems, Inc. where we made add-ons for the Timex/Sinclair Computers, Tandy Color Computer, Commodore Amiga and the Atari ST computers. Stewart also used to make something called the "Music Box" and "Rhythym Box" for S-100 Systems and the TRS-80 Computers. It was the fore-runner of the Orchestra-80, which Stewart always claimed was a cheaper knock-off of the much nicer Music Box. A minor mod of the Music Box software or Orch-80 Software made them run on the other hardware. I think just a change in which port one addressed with the music data was all... Regards, Al Hartman The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com

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Forwarded: Please help if you can... Apple issue

by kyrrin＠bluefeathertech.com

Fellow classiccmp'ers, A while back, I forwarded an E-mail I'd received to the list. It came from a school tutor who had some questions about Classic-era Apple computers that I couldn't answer. Unfortunately, there was a typo in his E-mail addy, which would have caused any replies to bounce. That typo has been corrected. Here's the message text again. If anyone can help, please contact him directly. Thanks much. Attachment follows. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Subject: ..Hi.........Can you help? Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 13:01:11 -0400 From: Randy Sammons <rsammons4(a)attbi.com> Reply-To: Randy Sammons <rsammons4(a)attbi.com> To: kyrrin(a)bluefeathertech.com Hello, Can you help me? I tutor math at a juvenile institution outside of Pittsburgh, Pa. and still use an Apple II E computer(made in 1982). My math program is a very good one...but now down to three 5 1/4" disks which were made in 1984. The software company is long out of existence.(Instructional Communications Technoglogy,Inc.) Do you know of anyone who has three useable 5 1/4" disks?..(my disks say: Apple II (48K) Dos 3.3 Version)..and can my three disks be copied? ..Can these disks be copied to a normal 3 1/2" PC disk? Any help you can give will be greatly appreciated. Thank you, Randy Sammons Irwin, Pa. 724.864.2719 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Owner & Head Hardware Heavy, Blue Feather Technologies -- http://www.bluefeathertech.com ARS KC7GR (Formerly WD6EOS) since 12-77 -- kyrrin(a)bluefeathertech.com "I'll get a life when someone demonstrates that it would be superior to what I have now..." (Taki Kogoma, aka Gym Z. Quirk)

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New Finds for teh Museum

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

Well the last few days have been fun and I got the following items: A vintage Hasbro Think-A-Tron toy computer that works great. An AMIGA A3000 needs some tender loving care, will not power up right now. A Commodore 1403 monitor. A Grid notebook model 1660 needs some work. A digital Decpc XL590 not tested yet. An AT&T 6310 PC. Several more mousepads and other items too new to list.

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Some Cool Sun stuff Today

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

At a local Goodwill I picked up the following: A Sun external tape drive PN 595-1711-01 model 411. A Sun SPARCserver 20 model 544 with 2-20gig HD's, 256 MB memory and loaded with software but I have no password to login with. A Sun SPARCstation 10 model 144 can't get it to boot up. A Sun type 6 keyboard. A Burroughs desk top computer power supply external black brick.

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Newspaper layout/typsetting (was Re: new gifts)

by classiccmp＠crash.com

> They also seem to bear the name of an aftermarket supplier - > Systems Industries?- and some sort of system name, which I cannot > remember, but suggests typesetting. May be the Atex (?) system, which I understand was very popular and is still hanging on in some corners. I've got some pictures around here somewhere from one datacenter of a major metro New York area newspaper showing racks of what I believe are rebadged pdp-11/x4's (they look recent, so maybe /84, /94, or one of the goosed third party CPUs) dedicated to running Atex terminals in newsrooms. The systems are using some reasonably modern storage system - might even be 3.5" form factor. But I wasn't in a position to inspect any- thing too closely. If I run across the snapshots I'll scan them and put them up somewhere for grins. --Steve.

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HH Drives ( Wyse Setup & Test Diskette)

by truthanl＠oclc.org

Alan, Do you have a Wyse Setup and test diskette? My employer resold Wyse systems for several years. I 'May" be able to get a version of setup and test. Wyse setup & Test diskettes walk you through configuration. You can enter a drive by "type" from tables, or free form, Cylinder, Head, Sector , entries. Usually when the battery is weak these sytems would forget drive configurations, or even loose track of the Floppy drives. Do you have any identifying marks FCCID # etc on the motherboard, Wyse model, date codes. The wyse bios Part number, (version 3.53 was one of the latter ones). They ran a Wyse Version of MS DOS which, allowed larger cluster sizes, Wyse systems could typically run drives larger the the 528MB. If you can characterize your system a little better I might be able to help Larry Truthan, truthanl(a)oclc.org. Dublin Ohio, USA Digest Subscriber

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New HP find

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

Today I got HP 41C the following items; ac adapter, 5- extra battery packs model 82120A, Brown carrying case, HP Card Reader model 82104A, a model 82143A printer with an ac adapter for it. Got it all for only $7. Also got Heathkit VectorScope model 10-101 for $12.

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Mac Classic

by cb＠mythtech.net

>Is there a keyboard shortcut that will turn the $%^& thing off?? Sorry, I said Command-Option-O, but what you may in fact want is Command-Option-X. Command-Option-O toggles CloseView on and off, and Command-Option-X toggles the magnification on and off. I don't remember if turning off CloseView will ALSO turn off the magnification, or if they are two different abilities. In either case, to permanantly disable it, you still should remove the CloseView control panel from the Control Panels folder and reboot. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Help nomenclature???

by Edward.Tillman＠valero.com

I rather thought they used ASCII text, sometimes strained through ANSI for color, but ASCII was the primary character set/map. Cheers... Ed Tillman Store Automation Tech Support Specialist Valero Energy Corporation San Antonio, Texas, USA Office: (210)592-3110, Fax (210)592-2048 Email: edward.tillman(a)valero.com <mailto:edward.tillman@valero.com> -----Original Message----- From: Ron Hudson [mailto:rhudson@cnonline.net] Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 9:25 PM To: Classic Computers Subject: Help nomenclature??? IBM had a standard for text based user interfaces. Systems Architecure blah blah.. Many of the DOS6.2 programs exibit this user interface, like "Edit" and perhaps "Qbasic" What was that called?? Thanks.

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Fw: Commodore 16 Power Supply

by h.ahonen＠shaw.ca

Subject: Re: Commodore 16 Power Supply Sorry, email address should read: h.ahonen(a)shaw.ca ----- Original Message ----- From: h.ahonen To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2003 10:16 AM Subject: Commodore 16 Power Supply Hi, Can someone please help me. I have a Commodore 16 computer without Power Supply. I understan it requires 9VDC source at 1A. What is the polarity of the connector? Is plus (+) on the center pin or on the sleeve? Thanks Hank Ahonen email: h.ahonen(a)shaw.ca

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Data I/O 29A

by fmc＠reanimators.org

"Jay West" <jwest(a)kwcorp.com> wrote: > On a more on-topic note, is anyone well versed in troubleshooting/repair of > a Data I/O 29A w/Unipak 2? Mine is sick and I'm not sure where to start :\ Take a look at <http://www.spies.com/~arcade/TE/> -- there are links there to the documentation for the 29A and Unipak 2. Mine seems to think it is OK (passes self test), but it does weird things sometimes, especially when I switch from reading one device type to another. Looks like when I do that, I should cycle power and put it back in remote mode, else the next read will either fail with an error or fail silently by only reading part of the device. So, trust but verify. -Frank McConnell

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MC6870A

by aw288＠osfn.org

A while back I offered an old Motorola 6871A clock chip for the 6800 - it went fast. Now I dug up an MC6870A - apparently the same thing, but slower (614.4 KHz). Anyone need it for pocket change and shipping? $3.00 cash gets it to your door. Act quickly, as in ten days I am going on vacation! William Donzelli aw288(a)osfn.org

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Old UNIVACS

by DBRYAN＠genicom.com

Just stumbled onto a message posted on Nov 7, 2002, in which you mentioned having some UYK-20 machines. Should you have any left, or locate any more of the -20's or -44's, please add me to the list. Being a true diehard collecter, I might also consider coming and picking up something bigger: UYK-7, Univac 1218, CP-642, etc. Just depends on the price and the timing. Thanks, Don Bryan dbryan(a)genicom.com (540) 949-1394

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132 column (14x11) fanfold paper

by cb＠mythtech.net

>Does anyone know where 132 column (14x11) white (blank) fanfold >paper is still available? Bowater used to make it years ago, but >has since sold that business off... We were buying it from Staples and Office Depot up until recently. As of when we stopped buying it, they were still carrying it (we just upgraded our system and moved to printing to a laser printer... MUCH cheaper). I am pretty sure Staples still sells it. Its kind of pricey. IIRC, it was about $50 or $60 for a box. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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List member harassment

by jwest＠kwcorp.com

Take it to private email please, both of you. On a more on-topic note, is anyone well versed in troubleshooting/repair of a Data I/O 29A w/Unipak 2? Mine is sick and I'm not sure where to start :\ Jay West

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Interfacing an HP 9134 HDD to my HP 85

by vassilip＠dsl.cis.upenn.edu

Well I have my 9134A connected to an HP-87 and when the system boots it recognizes the hard disk automatically, so that you can just type a CAT commend and see the directory listing. One question, I assume that you have set the two address switches on the back to *different* addresses (e.g. HP-IB addr 0 for the hard disk and addr 1 for the floppy). So if you try to do a CAT on the floppy address, do you still get a timeout? **vp

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iUP201

by martial.perrin＠free.fr

Hi, I've got a IUP201a programmer with a Fast27K module which works fine. I'm seeking docs on them. I can upload hex files from a PC via serial port but I know that it is possible to download from programmer to PC via serial port. Widely it is possible to command programmer from host but I need command language. Martial

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TIL-308

by tsl＠tslinc.com

Dear Mr. Arnold: I found your name through a Google search for TIL-308 numeric displays. You were in some kind of web discussion concerning replacing the TIL-307/307 displays with TIL-308 displays. You mentioned that you had a small quantity of TIL-308s. We are looking for a few of these displays. Are they still available and, if so, what is the price? Thanks, Andy Corbin Technical Services Laboratory Inc. 95 Ready Avenue Ft. Walton Beach, FL 32548 USA Phone (850) 243-3722 FAX (850) 244-6653 E-mail address: tsl(a)tslinc.com

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TRS-80 Modem

by aeg＠paradise.net.nz

Hi All Was just browsing ebay and this might be of interest to someone on the list... (not my auction, don't know the seller etc) TRS-80 Modem 1 (Radio Shack) currently at $5 with about 5 hours left to go. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/ eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3412343006&category=3692 Alan

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Interfacing an HP 9134 HDD to my HP 85

by rhahm＠nycap.rr.com

Hello, I am having trouble interfacing an HP 9134 HDD to my HP 85. I have connected other drives without difficulty such as the 9121D so I believe the computer is set up properly. I recently picked up a 9134A HD. It apparently emulates a 9895A 8" flexible drive and 3 slaves each with 1.15MB capacity. I set the HP-IB address to zero on the HD and typed MASS STORAGE is ":D700". I then typed CAT and Initialize and keep getting a "Timeout". Also if I turn the 85 on with the HD connected and running and type CAT the HD does not respond as my 9121 would without typing a mass storage is command. Can I assume the drive is bad or am I using the wrong syntax. The drive spins up nicely, and the light comes on but I get that error message and the disk access light does not come on. I hate to toss this drive into the dumpster if it is functional. Thank you for your thoughts. Bob H

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HP storage formats on ss80 protocol disks

by peterbrown10＠hotmail.com

Hi folks, I have an HP 9133 HDD that I'm going to have to re-format (for an HP based measuring system). The drive already has quite a lot of software on it that it seems a shame to destroy. I've stuck a bus analyser on the drive and had a quick look at the data passing back and forth between a controller and it. I think that I can control the drive OK (using cs80 protocol) from a PC with HPIB controller card - i.e. I can identify the drive, check block sizes and pull data off or write data to the drive. It strikes me that an application that enables the information on a cs/80 drive to be pulled onto a PC, backed-up on another format (e.g. CD ROM) and then written back to the cs80 drive would be useful - does such an application already exist? With the data clocks off the drive, I'm having a few problems working out the actual format that HP use to record files on the disk. It looks as though the first block on the disk (block 0) contains information about the volume label, number of blocks available, number of blocks allocated etc. (and I assume the length of the catalog). The next few blocks seem to contain the catalog information itself - file names, start locations lengths, file types etc. Does anyone have access to details of the format that HP use to store files on cs80 protocol disks/tapes? (I already have a document 'cs/80 instruction set' dated March 1983 that has proved invaluable in understanding the messages between the controller and disk drive.) Any help much appreciated. Cheers Peter Brown _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch with absent friends - get MSN Messenger http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger

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Piracy was Re: HH drives

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

>From: "Paul Berger" <sanepsycho(a)globaldialog.com> > >On Mon, 2003-03-10 at 16:46, Lawrence Walker wrote: >> Why does this legalistic crap with high moral tone >> forever come up on the list. For the most part almost >> all old computer collectors are using programs illegally. ><snip> >> a thousand others sitting on a program which they won't >> put into public domain due to not giving a shit about the >> end user. > >I usually take the extremely legalistic point of view to highlight to >people that the current system of copyright is broken, and only getting >more so to protect the interests of a few. > >Whenever I catch somebody I know doing something that is technically >illegal I point out this fact most strenuous and let them know they can >get a criminal records, do jail time and receive millions in fines if >somebody takes offense at what they are doing. I will then suggest that >if they think this is wrong they should contact their representative and >suggest things be changed. > >Most shrug, figure I'm a kook (probably right) and don't do a damn thing >... this is why things won't change. > >> Why is there not an similar outcry about companies like >> Lotus or Borland that put out products that were obsoleted ><snip> >> companies it's tit for tat. Apple and a few others do the >> decent thing but they are the exceptions not the rule. > >Borland has released some of their old dos compilers on their community >site, so I would not knock them too much. They sold off the rights to >many of their applications so I would not expect them to release them to >the public. > >I'm hoping that the shareware type idea will come back with the rise of >open-source software creating new niches, and the big software companies >charging for support & updates. You don't want support, the software is >free, but if you want somebody to answer questions, you need to pay the >author something. Hi The only problem here is something I saw done ( and admitted to ) in shareware. The product was release to shareware with a known bug. In order to get it fixed, simply pay for the support/upgrade. I chose to delete the original and not use either. I had a couple of shareware programs that I released. They were used by many hundreds of people. I only had 4 people send me the $5. I'm not complaining. Actually I'm happy that so many found them useful. I'll have to admit that most were college students so they have a good excuse. I've also used several shareware programs without sending any money in so I can't complain about others. There were a couple that I did send money in for and used quite a bit. My only complaint is with abandonware. When the code is no longer relevant, why hang onto it as though it were of some value. I can see that one could make a point that there might be something in the source that was of value but the application is different. Dwight > >Regards, >Paul

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Kenbak-1 pictures

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

>From: Geoff Reed <geoffr(a)zipcon.net> > >Looks cool, however :( please warn about the pop-ups at your host, I got >cascading popups because I didn't ahve my pop-up killer loaded when i >visited your site :( Hi I never got the pictures to come across?? I only got one popup. Dwight

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DEC newbie (was need caddy for RRD-42DA CD-ROM drive)

by acme＠ao.net

From: Antonio Carlini <arcarlini(a)iee.org> > Just checking since I've seen others slip before ... > > The RRD42 takes the standard "flip-top" caddy that > must have been made in their millions. Well, that's a relief. Can you point me to a source for these common caddies? I have ZERO experience with DEC equipment but recently acquired a VaxStation 3100 m76, with the specific goal in mind of gaining familiarity with DEC gear and VMS. I'll be pestering the list with a lot of newbie questions as things progress . . . Later -- Glen 0/0

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Newspaper layout/typsetting

by classiccmp＠crash.com

Sorry, should have mentioned the timeframe: this was a disaster recovery datacenter being setup in early 2002. So clearly this stuff is in current use and probably will be for some time. --S.

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Will you please stop your OT posts?

by acme＠ao.net

Mr. Hartman -- I now add my voice to the voices of others who have repeatedly requested that you stop your grossly off-topic and impolite posts to this list. Will you please stop this? > Anyone who would like to read my replies may e-mail me > off list to get them. I will send them in full. Your continued attempt to justify your actions (posting private messages to a public list) is very distasteful to me, and I'm sure others also find it so. > I can't control either. But, I won't be stifled in my > opinions because someone else wants to coddle people The fact that you have an opinion does not entitle you to use this list to express that opinion. We are all here as guests. > I posted these messages because I want it to stop. > > I want him to stop doing this, rather than having it > tolerated. You have no control over what others choose to tolerate, regardless of what you "want." > You say you know about it. How about doing something > about it, rather than letting others be attacked and > harrassed by him? If Sellam should "attack" and/or "harass" someone other than yourself, is that not their battle to fight? > Because, I'm not willing to just ignore him and allow > him to attack others on the list in the future. I am not at all sure what you are suggesting here, but I *am* sure that I don't like the sound of it. Since you do not have the power to banish Sellam or anyone else from this list, and since such a banishment would still not prevent Sellam or anyone else from sending private email messages, the above-quoted statement implies that you are prepared to take *some other course of action* to achieve your stated goals. Mr. Hartman, I am certain that posting such sentiments to a public forum is not a wise thing to do. > In return for that, he needs to control himself and > treat members of this list with the respect he himself > receives. Mr. Hartman, who *are* you to state as a fact your opinion of what anyone needs to do, on this list or off? > So, posting to this list was an attempt to get others > to cooperate in stopping his hate, without resorting If this is so, then why have you not asked for help in clear and simple language? I believe you will find that the members of this list are not so easily manipulated. Again, I respectfully request that you cease these impolite, manipulative, defensive, and off-topic posts. Glen Goodwin Orlando, FL USA 0/0

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New finds

by aeg＠paradise.net.nz

Hi I just thought I'd share with you a few of my finds this week (maybe someone will be able to shed a little light on one or two items?) Sinclair Spectrum+ (nice condition in its original box) complete with data cassette, joystick, games and thermal printer. I've already had this up and running. Dick Smith VZ-200 (again good condition) complete with 16kb memory expansion (taking it to a heady 24kb), twin joystick adaptor. No power supply with this but I've found out it takes 10V 800mA so that shouldn't be too hard to rig up. Apparently these were sold in Australia between 1983 and 1989, the VZ-200 being the first of the model range. It uses the Z80 processor. (For those that don't know Dick Smith is a Radio Shack style electronics outlet - he used to use the catchy but rather self depreciating slogan "The Electronic Dick" ) IBM 122-key keyboard - this is the clicky type board with 24 function buttons across the top and a group of preset functions to the left of the main qwerty board. It has an 8 pin RJ45 style plug (rather than the 4 pin versions I've seen on Digital and Wyse keyboards). I don't know where this comes from or what it was originally hooked up to. Commodore PC10-III (this is the small case version) very clean condition, came with the keyboard but no monitor. It powers up without a problem. Canon A-200 (that is the model stated on the back) This powers up fine but the inbuilt graphics card does not like my mono monitor (in fact my monitor doesn't like most cards, I must get around to changing it). It has twin 5.25" floppies with a rather neat eject system that requires you to push the button to lock the disk in and also to eject it (well, I thought it was neat anyway). There is no hard disk but it came with a boot floppy of a really cut down version of DOS 2.11 and a word processing programme. I don't have a keyboard or anything else for that matter with this. I can't find any information on the web about this computer, it appears to have an 8086 or 8088 chip - I haven't dismantled it all yet. Anyone know about this one? Advanced Electronic Applications PAKRATT model PK-64 radio modem. This is for the Commodore 64, SX64 and C128 (in C64 emulation mode). It came with the manual, power adaptor and cables. In the blurb it states that you can send and receive Morse, Baudot, ASCII, Amtor and AX.25 V2.0 (or below - but to receive morse you need the HFM-64 module). I haven't tested this and don't have a C64 or Ham radio... it was just one of those strange add-ons that would have bugged me if I'd let it pass. A couple of 2400 and 9600 modems and a box full of cards that I haven't gone through yet. Not a bad week in all. Alan

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Interfacing an HP 9134 HDD to my HP 85

by aknight＠mindspring.com

Hi Bob & Joe, At 04/15/03 12:01 PM Joe wrote ... > > At 11:52 AM 4/15/03 -0400, you wrote: > >Hello, > > > >I am having trouble interfacing an HP 9134 HDD to my HP 85. I have >connected > >other drives without difficulty such as the 9121D so I believe the >computer > >is set up properly. > > > >I recently picked up a 9134A HD. It apparently emulates a 9895A 8" >flexible > >drive and 3 slaves each with 1.15MB capacity. > > I'm not sure that the 9134A will work, you may need the 9133 or 9134 VX >model. The 9134A will work just fine with a HP85. It's the same as a 9135A without the 5.25" floppy drive that the 9135A has. I've used a 9135A with both the HP85/87 family machines and with a HP9835B. > >I set the HP-IB address to zero on the HD and typed MASS STORAGE is >":D700". > > Try using "D700,0", "D700,1", "D700,2" and "D700,3", That will address >the individual logical drive units. I believe those commands are for a 9826 or something else. On the HP85, the 9134A/9135A drives emulate four 9895 8" floppy drives (approximately 1.2 Mbytes each). If the unit address switches are set for 0, the individual logical drive units are ":D700", ":D701", "D702", and "D703" on the HP85. >I then typed CAT and Initialize and keep getting a "Timeout". Also if I >turn > >the 85 on with the HD connected and running and type CAT the HD does not > >respond as my 9121 would without typing a mass storage is command. > > > >Can I assume the drive is bad or am I using the wrong syntax. The drive > >spins up nicely, and the light comes on but I get that error message and >the > >disk access light does not come on. I had much the same trouble with the hard drive in my 9135A when I got it. It appears that the drive mechanism got "sticky" during a long period of storage. Much of the other stuff I got from the same lot as the 9135A was rusty. Anyhow, with some encouragement from list member Vassilis, I opened up the case, unscrewed the hard drive (I think it's an ST-506) from the mounting hardware and set it on it's side, still hooked up, and was able to eventually get the disk to initialize. It took a number of tries before I could get all four partitions to initialize, but once I got them all going, it worked fine. I would try MASS STORAGE IS ":D700" and then INITIALIZE. If that doesn't work, then try the same thing with ":D701", then ":D702", then ":D703". I wouldn't give up unless you've tried it multiple times, alternating between partitions. If you do decide to open up the case, you can see an arm on the side of the drive that is supposed to move - it moves about 90 degrees going from the :D700 partition to the :D701 partition. Once I got it working on the HP85 I tried it using my 9835B with Mass Storage ROM, but I had to re-initialize the partitions I wanted to use with the 9835B because they weren't compatible with the HP85 (too bad, I'd hoped to be able to transfer data that way). Right now I have two partitions in HP85 format and two in 9835 format. At least Bob got the hard drive in his 9134A. I bought a second one that was listed on eBay that ended later the same day as his, and when it arrived I found that the unit had been stripped and there was no hard drive inside :-( Anybody have a spare ST-506??? Hope this helps, Alex The Calculator Museum Web Page http://www.calcmuseum.com

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H89 disk transfer program

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

Code Oops! see below: >From: "Dwight K. Elvey" <dwightk.elvey(a)amd.com> > >Hi > Here is the code I have so far. I've shortened it a ---snip--- > > BOOTSTRP.ASM > >; 42 BYTE BOOTSTRAP LOADER WITH INIT FOR 8250 >; INTENDED FOR THE H89 BUT MAY ASLO WORK ON H8. > > > ORG 2300H >LDR: XRA A > OUT LCNTL ; LINE CONTROL > OUT IER ; NO INTERRUPTS > OUT MCNTL ; INIT MODEM CONTROL > DCR A ; SHOULD BE 'MVI A, 80H' BUT 0FFH OK? > OUT LCNTL > MVI A, 0CH ; 9600 BAUD > OUT DVL > XRA A > OUT DVH > MVI A, 07H ; 8 BIT 2 STOPS > OUT LCNTL > IN LSTAT > IN RX ; CLEAR ANY JUNK > LXI H, 2400H ; DEPENDS ON SIZE (TO BE DETERMINED) >LDR1: IN LSTAT > ANI 01 > JZ LDR1 ; WAIT FOR CHAR > IN RX > MOV M,A > DCX H > JMP LDR ; ADDRESS TO BE OVER WRITTEN BY CODE LOADED > should be: JMP LDR1 ; ADDRESS TO BE OVER WRITTEN BY CODE LOADED Later Dwight

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Old Computer Books - what to do? (fwd)

by vaxzilla＠jarai.org

This is a forwarded message from a.f.c. Don't reply to me for details. -brian. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: 15 Apr 2003 11:30:13 -0700 >From: Patrick Connors <pmc(a)finger-rock.com> Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Old Computer Books - what to do? I'm about to do a Major Purge of my library. Part of that library is a collection of old microcomputer books (catalog not yet available - I'll post a pointer when it becomes available), which I kept around for historical purposes. We're talking, Apple II; the original TRS-80, and a big basket of random Bytes and Amiga magazines. Possibly even a Creative Computing or two. Since I'm never going to start a proper historical computer library, I'd like to offer these books to interested parties. Not looking for money or even recognition* here, just space on my bookshelves and Less Stuff to Manage. It was suggested elsewhere that I try here. Also, ebay and half.com have already been mentiioned as possibilities, but I'm after the shelf space not the money. Any ideas? And, yes, interested individuals may apply. - Patrick Connors, lost in his own library, never to return... *My ego claims otherwise and points out that recognition is good, where applicable. My wallet will accept reimbursement for shipping, if offered.

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Need caddy for RRD-42DA DEC CD-ROM drive

by acme＠ao.net

Actually, I could use more than one. TIA -- Glen 0/0

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OT?: low tech computer.

by cb＠mythtech.net

>I got sent this from a list, I thought it was funny. > >http://jokeworm.com/funlinks/funlinks6.html Ok, what OS does it run? It says Intel Inside, but has an ADB Mac Mouse connected... humm... I thought Apple's only Intel based OS was an early version of Rhapsody... and that ran on standard Intel compatible hardware, so no ADB mouse (could be an internal build of OS X for Intel, but that still wouldn't use an ADB mouse). Humm... NeXTStep maybe, using a Mac mouse as a replacement... they used ADB on some model NeXT boxes, didn't they? Color is right for a NeXT Cube. Er.. ok, I have officially taken this too seriously. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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European members

by GOOI＠oce.nl

Oops, forgot one complete system, Hans. I also have an PDP-11/05 with PC05 and Perkin-Elmer drive. The Perkin has a removable disk and a fixed hard disk. I guess this is the *only* non-DEC part, but it boots RT-11 (V.4). cheers, - Henk.

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European members

by SPEDRAJA＠ono.com

Hi ! > Hi all this is a call to all european members, or should I say > members in Europe?. All Europeans at last :-) > I have been invited to write a paper about the work being done > in Europe on the history of computing. I have decided to highlight > the individual collectors and the valuable work they are doing. Ok, Hans, I shall send you a list or document privately. Good action this :-) Thanks and Greetings Best Regards Sergio

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European members

by hansp＠aconit.org

Hi all this is a call to all european members, or should I say members in Europe?. I have been invited to write a paper about the work being done in Europe on the history of computing. I have decided to highlight the individual collectors and the valuable work they are doing. If you are in europe and collect/preserve computer hardware/software/documentation I would appreciate a short description of what you do, how big your collection is and anything else you might like to mention. I will probably highlight the contributions for just a few of you but mention all of you. Please let me know if you would be willing to be be an in depth subject which will entail an email interview. Mention also if you would prefer to remain anonymous. Finally, if you know of any other individuals working in the field who are not subscribed to this list I would be interested in hearing >from them also. All contributors will receive a copy of the paper when it is completed. Regards, -- hbp

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Apple Lisa XL on eBay

by alhartman＠yahoo.com

> From: Joe <rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com> > > At 03:05 PM 4/12/03 -0400, you wrote: > >And I thought the economy was in the toilet. > > Only for the average citizen. The rich are richer > than ever thanks to Bush and administration (or > maybe I should say LACK of administration!) > > Joe You probably shouldn't say that, since it's wrong... Can we keep political commentary off this list? Especially mean-spirited partisan hate speech with no data to back it up? I want to hear about Classic Computers on this list. Not someone's partisan hatred. Thanks! Al

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HP 7905/7920 "Amigo" drives?

by glenslick＠hotmail.com

Take a look at the 12992-90001_loaderRomsApr86.pdf doc on Al's site. It has details of the operation of the various HP 1000 loader ROMs, including source code listings. There is a separate ROM, p/n 12992-80007 12992E, which is specifically for booting from the 9885 flexible disk. I'm not sure what interface is used to the 9885 for that loader ROM. ROM p/n 12992-80002 12992B is for MAC 7905/7920 drives, 13175A/B interface. ROM p/n 12992-80004 12992H is for HP-IB 7920H/7925H/9895 drives, 12821A interface. If you remove the memory cards from the front card cage of the 1000E CPU you should be able to see the loader ROMs and if you can read the p/n labels you should be able to reference those back to the loader ROM doc to see exactly what you have. >I know that a lot of the older HP floppy drives (9885, 82901/902, 9121, >etc) also use the Amigo prototcall. I'm wondering if that means that this >1000 can boot from one of those floppy drives. _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

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Netframe NF450

by geoffr＠zipcon.net

anyone have any netframe NF450 documentation?

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H89 disk transfer program

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

>From: "Patrick Rigney" <patrick(a)evocative.com> > >> It currently takes >> about 40H+ of code to enter ( in octal for Heath monitor ). >> I might find some code in the ROMs that does this >> part for me. This is a little long but there is not much >> I can do about it. > >> Any suggestions on things I might want to add? >> Dwight > >Dwight, > >Hmmm... interesting. I have an idea... How about borrowing a concept from >bootloaders in general? Shorten the program that you have to key in by hand >to just a short bootstrap loader that reads bytes from the serial port and >stuffs memory. The PC-side program's job, then, is to *first* send the >*real* larger downloader down the line before the disk image data, which the >bootloader stuffs into memory and then executes to read the image data that >then follows. I'm not sure how much shorter the bootloader could be than >40H, but I have to imagine a good bit since no disk I/O is needed at that >stage, and it would certainly facilitate the bigger duplicator app being >much larger without much hassle to the operator. > >Patrick > Hi Patrick Reread my post. That is just about all it does. It does have to initialize the port and that takes more than about half the code. The loop that loads the memory is quite short. The com port on the H89 is a 8250 and so needs a bunch of stuff setup. To load a value into the port I/O takes 3 to 4 bytes, regardless of how it is done. I suspect I can strip a little but I doubt I can take out more than about 10%. One thing I haven't tried is to use the Z80 I/O instructions and have a table of things to output in sequence. This might be shorter. Anyway, I've made it so that I can optimize it more after I get the rest of the functionality of the main code. There is a small amount of extra because I've not used a fixed load address or fixed size. I could shorten it a little and keep it flexable by only writing the load address. One would write the bytes backwards from there. At some point, the JMP instructions address would be over written by my new load code. The address of the high byte would be the same, just the low byte part of the address would change, directing the code to the newly loaded code. This would simplify the load loop since no count needs to be maintained ( a trick I learned form my Nicolet 1080's bootstrap ). I'll make another pass at the code and publish what I have. Others can then look at it for optimizations. Dwight

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ISA single board computer and Hardcard 40

by anheier＠owt.com

I have a Plus Hardcard 40 and a 80286-20 ISA single board ISA card available. These look to be in good shape and probably function properly. Best offer, prefer Paypal. Thanks Norm

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HP 7905/7920 "Amigo" drives?

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

Is anyone here familar with these drives? I was checking some HP 1000s today and making particular note of what boot roms they contained. One of them had a label that said that it had a boot rom for the "7905/20 disk". I checked my references and found that these drives are supposed to use the Amigo/MAC protocall. I know that a lot of the older HP floppy drives (9885, 82901/902, 9121, etc) also use the Amigo prototcall. I'm wondering if that means that this 1000 can boot from one of those floppy drives. How compatible is the 7905/7920 Amigo protocall and the Amigo protocall that's used for the floppy drives? Joe

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Need Omnibot 2000 parts

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

I'm looking for two items to complete my omnibot 2000. I need the remote control and the tray. Also the cardboard base would be nice to have. If anyone has these items to sell or trade let me know off line. Thanks

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H89 disk transfer program

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

Hi I've started looking at how to make a H89 disk transfer program that would allow one to make images of the hard sectored disk into a DOS file. I've had my H89 powered up and thought I'd pass on one of the first problems I came across ( other than one of the tantalums popping ). The belts on the floppy drives have all stretched. Only about half of my floppies would read. Since I don't have the original full height drive, the drives I do have had no adjustment for belt tension( they were ALPS single sided drives, half height ). I had to file the motor mount holes to get the drives to work well with the pile of disk I have. Anyway, this is something to watch for in the older drives. Now, onto the more useful stuff. I've written some bootstrap code that allows me to pass a program into the H89 from a serial port. The code to do this take a reasonable amount of space because of the need to initialize the serial port. It currently takes about 40H+ of code to enter ( in octal for Heath monitor ). I might find some code in the ROMs that does this part for me. This is a little long but there is not much I can do about it. I am using the LP serial port of the H89 since it runs with a 1:1 wiring of a PC serial port ;) The idea is that the first 4 bytes will contain the address and count to load. The rest will be the actual code. When it finishes the counted bytes, it will automatically switch to the down loaded code. This next code is expected to perform the functions of format, disk image write and disk image read. This will be used as the next level of bootstrapping. I've got notes on all of the entry points to control the H17 disk controller so I can do the various disk operations. There is one problem I have now and that is that the HDOS disk all have a thing called 'Volume Number'. I expect that this was so that one could avoid trashing other disk ( HDOS uses a mount/dismount system ). The difficulty is that the first track is always volume 0 and the others are the particular volume number selected for that disk. In order to read or write, one needs to know the volume number for that disk. This is encoded on the disk, similar to things like sector number and track number. I haven't figured out how HDOS knows what volume the disk is by looking at the first track. I suppose it is someplace there. I suspect that I may want to format the disk as I write the image so that I can pass the volume number along. I'm not sure if it is a good idea or not to keep the original volume number. One might want to have new volume numbers for each disk in their collection. Still, I am making progress. Hopefully, this will make sending and archiving HDOS disk easier. Any suggestions on things I might want to add? Dwight

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Fwd: Harrassment by list member

by alhartman＠yahoo.com

I am still being harrassed once again by Sellam. I am posting this to the list so that members can observe for themselves the behavior of one of it's members... Here is the text of his latest message... ----------------------------------------------------- Message 4: The next time you send me a message I will report you to the FBI for harassment and violating my civil rights. You have called me an "Islamic Idiot" one time too many and I will not stand for this anymore. This is hate speech! I am forwarding your messages to colleagues at the ACLU and will pursue the matter legally if you continue to send me your vitriolic hate speech. ----------------------------------------------------- I look forward to speaking to representatives of the ACLU and FBI and presenting factual data of this list user's continual hate and harrassment of me. I'm sure there are several other list members who have been harrassed by Sellam who would like to do likewise (Contact me off the list if you'd like to do that). I'd like the fantasies and harrassment to stop. I have NEVER attacked Sellam over his religious beliefs, and never would. I have commented on Nastiness of Radical Islamics in Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, and other Middle Eastern Countries. There lies the hate and intolerance. But, I would plead guilty to being intolerant of intolerance... LOL! I'd much rather be dicussing some cool Classic Computers... The first weekend of May is the Trenton Computer Festival (oddly held in Edison, New Jersey rather than Trenton...). I'm looking forward to the Flea Market, as I do every year. Though sadly, each year the flea is dominated more and more by PC's and less by cool classic computers. I'm still hoping to get some Amiga Equipment, and a TRS-80 Model I/III/4 for my collection. And possibly anything for my Atari ST. But, there wasn't much there last year. Mostly because I think the price for a Flea Booth is too expensive for most people to sell the few things they have. It's a shame Ken Gore bought the rights for this show >from the original User's Group that ran it. They've made it less special and smaller in recent years. Regards, Al Hartman

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OT?: low tech computer.

by kittstr＠access-4-free.com

I got sent this from a list, I thought it was funny. http://jokeworm.com/funlinks/funlinks6.html

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Harrassment by list member

by alhartman＠yahoo.com

I am being harrassed once again by Sellam. I am posting this to the list so that members can observe for themselves the behavior of one of it's members... Here are the texts of his messages... ----------------------------------------------------- Message 1: Shut up you fucking dickhead. Quit fanning the flames on the list you filthy scum. Message 2: Shut your filthy scum hole you nationalistic servant of American facism. You're part of the reason for the decline of this nation and the destruction of the world that is coming upon us. Go find a dirty little hole befitting for your kind, crawl into it, and pull a rock in behind you. Your stink is overwhelming. Message 3: The next time you send me a message I will report you to the FBI for harassment and violating my civil rights. You have called me an "Islamic Idiot" one time too many and I will not stand for this anymore. This is hate speech! ----------------------------------------------------- The claim I called him an "Islamic Idiot" is totally fictional. I used the term in a reply to message #2, but was referring to people in the Radical Islamic Community who hailed the explosion of the Space Shuttle as Punishment from Allah to the U.S. I predicted that would happen, and then got attacked on and off the list by Sellam. Who somehow takes the actions of other people of the Islamic faith personally. In that people who criticizing them are also criticizing him... I just want the list to know how nasty and awful Sellam is. Just for those few of you who might not. And to give those of you who have written to me about him off-list some more data for your files.. I am currently reporting him to his ISP for harrassment. Thanks! Al Hartman

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Amstrad PPC640 expansion ports

by kirone0＠libero.it

Hi, I've found this http://www.classiccmp.org/pipermail/cctech/2002-July/000553.html searching for technical specs about the expansion ports of the PPC640. In it you write "I have both the (software) technical manual and the service manual." Can you please look at the manuals, for the pinout of expansion ports A anc B? My interest is about this statement: "2) The PPC has an expansion bus which can be turned into normal PC-compatible (8 bit) slots, so you can have an external display adapter" The expansion bus is the ISA-8bit bus? Can I use it (rewiring it) for connect a ISA card? TIA, and sorry for my English. ^_^; -- The disadvantage of working over networks is that you can't so easily go into someone else's office and rip their bloody heart out. (Jim McDonald)

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Cars, politics & hate mail

by avickers＠solutionengineers.com

Chaps, Cars: I love classic cars & motor racing, that's why I subscribe to one mailing list & several newsgroups. I rarely read about classic computers in those. Politics: I detest politics & politicians, this is why I neither subscribe to related mailing lists or newsgroups. Hate mail: Never had any, never sent any, probably never will. Classic computers: Love 'em, that's why I subscribe to this list, and several newsgroups. I've got my cars elsewhere. I've got my classic comps here. I don't want politics or hate mail. Can we keep it on topic please? You Know Who You Are. And finally: Please please please DO NOT reply to this message. Ever. Thanks. -- Cheers, Ade. Be where it's at, B-Racing! http://b-racing.com

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Fwd: Harrassment by list member

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

Hi I think this show why we should keep both political and religious comments out of our text and even our signature lines. This group is really intend to be a classic computer list. There are plenty of other news groups and mail list that one can go out and pick fights in. I know that most people feel strongly about things. It is good that they voice their opinions. It is just that this is not the place. Dwight

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OT: Toy Chevy's

by cb＠mythtech.net

> With >the computerization of manufacturing that's available, it makes no >sense to me why auto manufacturers can't stamp out any body part, for >any car, from any year, on demand. Can't they? Eons ago, when I owned a 65 T-Bird and was rebuilding it (a failed project), I was told by a Ford Dealer that Ford can make ANY part for the car if I request it. However it was going to cost a bundle as they had to retool to make the parts. (The conversation was specifically revolving around body panels and interior body parts... so engine and other mechanical parts may not be included... I didn't clarify as I wasn't able to afford used parts much less factory new). -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Tenton Computer Fest (was: Fwd: Harrassment by list member)

by cb＠mythtech.net

>The first weekend of May is the Trenton Computer >Festival (oddly held in Edison, New Jersey rather than >Trenton...). I'm looking forward to the Flea Market, >as I do every year. Anyone have a URL with info on the Festival? I missed it last year, and am thinking heavily of going this year, but would like to find out more info before I pen in the date. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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3.5" floppy drive in IBM XT?

by jforbes2＠mindspring.com

----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe" <rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com> To: <cctech(a)classiccmp.org> Sent: Monday, April 07, 2003 6:12 PM Subject: 3.5" floppy drive in IBM XT? > I picked up an old IBM XT today and it has a 3.5" floppy drive in it (and it works!) Anybody ever heard of this? The drive has it's own controller card and both it and the drive appear to be IBM parts. )I haven't pulled everything apart to be sure.) FWIW the computer also has a FH 5 1/4" floppy drive and a HH 5 1/4" 10 Mb hard drive with a Seagate logo on the front of it. Anybody know if this is an original XT hard drive or a replacement drive? It's been so long since I've seen an original XT with the 10 Mb drive that I don't remember much about it. > > Joe I have a highly original late production XT, with the 640k system board, 720k hh floppy, 360k hh floppy, and full height IBM 20mb hard drive. Interesting features include a Y cable to power both floppy drives from the PSU connector (Y cable has black wires, and a cloth tag with IBM part number 6480173). Also, the 720k drive has a plain blue eject button. The 3.5" drives from the PS/2 series were labelled 1.44m or 2.88m as appropriate. The 360k drive has an asterisk on it, just like on the optional AT 360k drive. Apparently the IBM convention for 5.25" drives was that if it was a full height floppy, drive then it was 360k, if it was a half height drive it was assumed to be 1.2M, unless it had an asterisk, then it was 360k. Mueller's book says that the 640k system board, XT 20M hd, half height 360k drive, and 720k drive were introduced in April, 1986. Hope this helps solve the mystery.... -- Jim Visit the Selectric Typewriter Museum! http://www.mindspring.com/~jforbes2

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Items For Free ???

by junkmale＠mindspring.com

It's nothing spectacular... I have several IBM Model 76's sitting around my office (in storage) and I thought I would try to replace the couple of remaining dumb terminals that are all dying a slow death. I found a couple of these 3270 cards in an old box a couple of years ago so I built a PC DOS 5.0/IBM PC3270 disk image on one of the PCs. I built two and they still work beautifully ! I would have built more but I could find no more cards and there wasn't much of a demand. These are very sturdy machines (The IBM 76 and 77 Models) and I would love to put more of them back in service. I admit I have a sentimental attachment to them and have on several occasions had to make excuses to keep others from tossing them. So it's not critical... but if I can accomplish this I will be quite happy. Peace to you as well. - Michael At 01:35 PM 4/13/2003 -0400, vance(a)neurotica.com wrote: >What kind of project is it? > >Peace... Sridhar > >On Thu, 10 Apr 2003, JunkMale wrote: > > > > I am looking for one or more IBM 3270 Microchannel cards for a pet > project of mine. > > > > Thanks for your time, > > Michael

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MicroDaSys and Solid State Music info rqst

by jforbes2＠mindspring.com

Hi again...been awhile! I got hold of the remains of a computer my dad built (with the help of us kids, college age at the time) about 1980 or so. It's a 6809 S-100 bus system, with a microdasys MDA-6809A processor board, and a Solid State Music VB1B video interface board. It also uses a Jameco JE610 ASCII keyboard. The computer was stored in a shed where rats got in, and chewed away all the wires connecing the cpu board to the case keyboard connector. So, I need to figure out how to wire it back up. I also need to build a power supply, although I might be able to use a bench supply I borrowed from my brother...but it only provides 2 amps per side (dual supply, 0-30vdc). Any scans of microdasys or SSM data shemetatics would be incredibly helpful...but if you have links to sites with S-100 bus info, that would also be a help. I'm on digest mode, so expect delays... Thanks! -- Jim Visit the Selectric Typewriter Museum! http://www.mindspring.com/~jforbes2

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Mac Classic

by cb＠mythtech.net

>Have a mac classic that I gave to one of the local kids a few months >back. Apparently a visiting friend was fiddling with it and >has somehow gotten it into magnify mode. IIRC, it's system 7.something. >Can't figure out how to turn it off. It's on maximum >magnfiy apparently, can only see a very tiny part of anything, even a >single word takes more than the entire screen which makes it >real hard to use the GUI. >Is there a keyboard shortcut that will turn the $%^& thing off?? They have accidentally activated CloseView, a control panel designed to magnify the screen for people with vision problems. To deactivate it, type Command-Option-O (hold the command key, that's the cloverleaf, apple key, the option key, and the letter O all at the same time). To permanantly disable it, remove the CloseView icon from the Control Panels folder and reboot the Mac. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Macintosh System 7.5.x question

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

Does anyone remember what the last update to System 7.5.x was? I'm in the process of getting my old PowerBook 540c (purchased used a few years ago to replace the 520c I wore out) setup to use as a 'typewriter', and noticed that I've got it running System 7.5.3. Zane -- -- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh(a)aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ |

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[Fwd: [swap] FS: BCS-MAC newsletters]

by jrasite＠eoni.com

From a Mac Swap list. Please contact NeptuneMidheaven(a)ao;.com for further info. Jim -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [swap] FS: BCS-MAC newsletters Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 15:01:54 EDT From: NeptuneMidheaven(a)aol.com To: <lem-swap(a)mail.maclaunch.com> (LEM Swap List) Would like to see these go to a good home rather than the trash. Eight vintage editions of "The Active Window" BCS-MAC newsletter (Boston Computer Society Macintosh Users' Group Magazine). In mint condition. 7/87 12/87 2/88 5/88 6/88 7/88 10/88 1/89 How about $3.00 for all & media mail shipping (weight 2+ pounds) from 02368. Paypal verified (non cc only) NeptuneMidheaven(a)aol.com Ebay ID: Cattastro -- LEM-Swap is sponsored by and... 123Inkjets.com Support Low End Mac LEM-Swap list info: --> AOL users, remove "mailto:" Send list messages to: To unsubscribe, email: For digest mode, email: Subscription questions: Archive: Join the SwapChat list: --------------------------------------------------------------- >The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com --------------------------------------------------------------- .

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Piracy was Re: HH drives

by fmc＠reanimators.org

Bryan Blackburn <oldcomp(a)cox.net> wrote: > I'm not suggesting it is! What I am subtly suggesting, is that if > you think the company is still in business, or would still recognize > the product name, send them a check. More power to you! I stopped > using the software when the hardware it was specifically designed to > work with became obsolete, well over a decade ago. (Probably about a > year or two after the company went out of business.) Gibson Research is still in business, and still sells Spinrite. http://grc.com/spinrite.htm -Frank McConnell

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FA HP disk drive and computer manuals (9826, 9836, 9122 more)

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

I've just finished putting some HP computer and disk drive manuals on E-bay. I previously listed some HP software manuals and I'll be adding more as time permits. <http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=rigdonj>. Also listed a NEW unassembled Heathkit kit on there if anyone is intersted. Joe

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Piracy was Re: HH drives

by cb＠mythtech.net

>Pirating is not something that should be condoned on this list. I don't want to start a battle, so I'm not going to comment beyond this email... but... shouldn't "pirating" be something that IS condoned on this list? At least under the idea of "abandonware". After all, without some degree of software piracy, it is highly unlikely that a good chunk of the hardware this list is interested in would have any useful software available to it. I very much support the idea of abondonware, and I would think that idea is very much in this list's interest. However, it is in many cases still piracy. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Numbers of systems available

by vcf＠siconic.com

I took Doug's advice and called Tom Fischer who took over IMSAI's operations when they went bankrupt. The number of IMSAI's produced is as follows: "According to a July 2002 e-mail from the IMSAI 8080 creator Joe Killian, "I remember passing the 17,000 mark. I believe it never went past 20,000" [between December of 1975 and September 1979]. Fischer-Freitas Company produced another 2100+ machines between November 1979 and June 1986. These machines can be identified by the Fischer-Freitas Company back panel label." This is right on the front page of imsai.net. More detailed information can be found here: http://www.imsai.net/history/imsai_history/imsai_pre_history.htm These numbers are not broken down by front panel vs. turnkey system, so it's still not readily known what the split was in terms of those counts. IMSAI also sold a number of other machines. Here's a nice summary (still being edited by Tom so some inaccuracies exist): http://www.imsai.net/support/imsai_systems.htm -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *

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New Toy! :-)

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

Found another HP 1000! Third one in three weeks. I think this one is a keeper. Got ALL the cables including the AC power cables, the interface panel, the CPU (2113E with option 065) and 1 MW of memory, boot loader ROMs for HP 264x terminal, CS-80 hard drives and HP 79xx disk drives, plenty of interface cards and a HP 12979 I/O Expander chassis. Best of all, this one was untampered with so everything was there and where it was suppsoed to be and I was able to mark where all the cables, etc all went to. The only thing that I've found wrong with it so far is two broken switches on the front panel from where they kicked it off the truck! It had a 7914 hard drive attached but I left it behind. I've never found one worth taking home. Pictures at <http://home.cfl.rr.com/rigdon14/hp1000/>. Joe

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