- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by robbiej600＠hotmail.com

Hello, I hate to bother you but I have a old IBM 5362 computer and I came across a add you had on the internet.I was wondering how I could attach my IBM 5362 to my IBM 3270 workstation,would I use the parallel port or do they make a special cable that hooks to the round port below it.I have search the internet high and low and can't find any information about it.If you can help me or know where I can find some information about it please let me know.I guess thats it for now.Thanks in advance-Robbie _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail

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VAX 6610 available in NJ

by cmcmanis＠mcmanis.com

There is a VAX 6610 and storage array available for pickup in New Jersey. Contact me for details. --Chuck

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Pagemaker 3 for the MAC (and other MAC-related things)

by ram_suganthi＠hotmail.com

Hi, I have several documents (whitepapers on various transputer products from Paramax) that was apparently created using Pagemaker 3 for the MAC. I was able to get a copy of Pagemaker for Windows (latest version), but unfortunately documents are not cross-platform friendly on different versions of Pagemaker. I also do not have a MAC and hence I am currently using Basilisk for NT (which suits my current needs). Does anyone have a copy of Pagemaker 3 for the MAC? Or better yet, help me convert these documents into postscript/pdf so that I can post them on my website. I also have several disk images of various transputer programs and applications for the MAC. I am having problems reading these files (they come up as corrupted). Dont know what I can do as I dont know if it is Basilisk's fault or the files are really corrupt. Can someone with a MAC expand out the files and possibly stuffit for me instead? Any help is much appreciated, Ram _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus

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Kilobaud magazine issue # 1

by ib-o＠online.no

I was living in Tokyo from 1969 to 1985 as a Danish electronic expatriate engineer, and my best past time hobby was to visit the electronic marked "akkihabara" I have a number of interesting magazines, one in particular, Kilobaud issue # 1 in pristine condition. Anybody have an idea of the value of this magazine

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SN94281

by Eurtly＠Southslope.net

Do you still have the chip or chips below, if so I'd be interested in buying them... Eurtly Parker Eurtly(a)Southslope.net I have a SN94281 in a Radio Shack package. [demime 1.01a removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of Notebook.jpg]

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PS/1 for sale. Offers invited.

by hofmanwb＠worldonline.nl

Hi, A charity I do some work for has an IBM PS/1 they would wamt to sell. 80386/16. 40 Mb HD, color monitor, dutch handbook. Location Arnhem, The Netherlands. Wim

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Univac 9200 in Minneapolis -- more

by yakowenk＠yahoo.com

Er, in case it isn't obvious, reply to me at xyakoxwenk(a)yahoox.com (after removing those x's) about the Univac... The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com

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VCFe Munich report

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

>From: ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk > >> Hans' presentation on storing vintage computer data as XML made me >> realise that the most important thing is to get everything preserved, >> and then work out what to do with it. I could store everything I've >> ever written on an 8-bit computer in a corner of my existing hard drive >> and not even notice it was there. I've got to dig out all those KCS >> cassettes, ASR33 printouts and even a few bits of paper tape and get >> them transferred. > >I can assure you those paper tapes will still be readable long after your >hard disk had headcrashed!. Why do people insist on transfering reliable >storage media onto modern, unreliable stuff? It's the same with >photographs and cine films -- people transfer them to CDs and DVDs. The >originals have a much longer life... > >-tony > Hi Tony I'm more interested in getting the information spread to multiple locations, regardless of the media. Even paper tape burns up in a fire. The only real hope is a lot of copies spread around the world. This is why I've made my efforts for the Poly88 and I'm doing similar for the H89. Multiple media and multiple locations is the only hope. Dwight

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2116b

by dsvmicro＠island.net

Hi Bob My brother passed away recently and while going through his belongings, I discovered a 2116b with 2160a power supply. There is a box with it containing more cards and the manual. I couldn't say whether it is working or not, but knowing my brother, it would still work. I'm not sure what to do with it yet, but if you are interested, let me know. Thanks. Bernie Stock DSV Microtech 560A 11t6h Ave. Campbell River, BC V9W 4G4 Tel: 250 286 3173 Fax: 250 286 3178

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Lost Server

by sieler＠allegro.com

Re: > ><http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/5/18265.html> The first time I heard that story, it was an HP 3000 :) -- Stan Sieler sieler(a)allegro.com www.allegro.com/sieler/wanted/index.html

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Multiple Manuals needed ($$$)

by vcf＠siconic.com

Hello Folks. I'm seeking out the following manuals for a client: - Apollo DN560 (any manuals, in particular hardware reference) - SUN2 hardware reference manuals - Synapse N+1 (database machine from the early 1980s) any manuals - Motorola VERSAmodule 32-bit Monoboard Microcomputer User's Manual M68KVM04/D1 - Any supplemental information on the above regarding the 68010 - DEC MINC-11 or MINC-23 or MiniMinc hardware reference - IBM System/360 Model 195 Field Engineering Manual: Theory of Operation - IBM System/360 Model 195 Field Engineering Manual: Storage Control - Unit and Buffer Storage IBM Form No. SY22-6850 - Field Engineering Maintenace Diagram Manual (FEMDM) System/360 Model 195, Volume 3 Form No. SY22-6853-1 As always, there is a monetary reward for the capture of these manuals. If you've got any of these and are willing to loan them for a period of time, please contact me directly at <sellam(a)vintage.org>. Thanks! Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *

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Free Scanners (+ shipping)

by cb＠mythtech.net

I have two sheet feed scanners here that anyone can have, just cover shipping. Spectra 1200 Color Scanner SP Color 6000 Here's the catch (there's always a catch). I don't have the interface cards for them. One of the two I have a manual and software, and the software for both is available on the web (PlusTek's web site?). They use, from what I can tell, a custom interface card. I tried to find out if it was a generic SCSI card, but I wasn't able to turn up any info that indicated that. They do pull their power from the interface card, so I tend to think it is not SCSI. I also don't have the cable that goes between the card and the scanner, but both ends are DB 25 so it should be fairly easy to get a cable (assuming there isn't some funky pinout for it). I also don't know for sure that either scanner works. They were given to me a few years ago, at the time the previous owner told me they were parallel scanners, so I didn't think of checking for an interface card until it was too late. As a result, I have no way of testing them, so I can't say if they work or not. If anyone wants either or both, just cover shipping or pick them up (Ridgewood, NJ 07450). They are going in the dumpster no later than Wednesday, so let me know by then. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Fwd: Lanier Word Processing System Needs New Home

by jfoust＠threedee.com

>From: "Marianne L. Faber" <mlfaber(a)earthlink.net> >To: jfoust(a)threedee.com >Subject: Lanier Word Processing System Needs New Home >Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 22:10:54 -0500 > >Hello John Foust-- > >I was delighted to find your "Computer Rescue" site, and I hope you can help me find a home for a friend's Lanier Word Processing System. This is a complete system, including most manuals, that dates from the late 80's. The owner is fastidious about care. He retired the system up sometime around 1989, and it was in full working order at the time. Currently, it is resting safely in about 12 labeled boxes on storage shelves in southern Minnesota. > >Do you know of a collector who would be interested in it? The alternative is May 27th's annual "free computer recycling day" at our county recycling center. I would hate to see that happen, but the eternal quest for shelf space is pressing the issue. > >Thanks for your help. > >Marianne L. Faber ><mailto:mlfaber@earthlink.net>mlfaber(a)earthlink.net

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Removing duct tape residue.

by cb＠mythtech.net

> I've used alcohol on that stuff and it seems to remove some but not all >of it. I've never found anything that would remove it completely. I've used Simple Green. Put a good coating of it on (a small pool of it to cover the marker), then let it sit... and sit... and sit some more... then look at it, walk away and let it sit some more. Give it a good 30 minutes. Then firmly start rubbing it off. I've found that takes off most all of it. Repeat as needed (usually after the 2nd or 3rd application, the marker is either gone completely, or faded to the point of not very noticable... however, on some materials it has almost no effect other than to waste your time and stink up your work bench) Try on the case in a non noticable area first, as I've also found letting Simple Green sit for that long can discolor some paint and plastics. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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In search of Christopher Willis

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

> What is a BBS? You're joking, right? BBS = Bulleten Board System Before the Internet was publically accessable, most people that were online were either using a commercial service such as Compuserve, or BBS's. Some BBS's were free, others charged for access. There were even "Networks" of BBS's such as Fidonet that shared email and message boards. Everything was done via dialup, often with very slow modems. Zane

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Items FS

by pat＠purdueriots.com

I've got things that still haven't been claimed from last time yet. I'm asking $5 plus shipping costs each item. First, the new: - PowerMac 6100/66 with 250MB hard drive, cdrom, and DOS card (with dongle for the DOS card). I think it has 16MB RAM. - Compaq Luggable (original model). Has 2 FH 5.25" floppy drives. - Zenith XT clone with 10MB hard drive, and 360KB floppy drive. Tested, works. - DEC LanBridge, not used, pair of AUI connectors on the back. Now, what's left from last time, and probably going to get thrown out soon: - Macintosh Classic II. 80MB HDD, not sure on amount of ram. - Macintosh Plus 1MB - Macintosh Quadra 700, 16MB ram, 230MB HDD. - Mac-plus style keyboards and mice (4pin RJ11 keyboard, DE9 mouse) - PS/2 Model 70, with 6MB ram and an 80MB hard drive. I have at least two to get rid of, but need to find where I stuffed the ram first... - 2 Full-height 50pin centronics SCSI enclosures - HP 9000 model 715/50, I think it has 32MB ram. Pat -- Purdue University ITAP/RCS Information Technology at Purdue Research Computing and Storage http://www.itap.purdue.edu/rcs/

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Cassette Media

by cb＠mythtech.net

>theres no header on the data tapes (IIRC) That's a simple fix. Actually, if that is the only reason an audio tape isn't usable, then I can custom order tapes from a supplier I use in the correct length (600 feet) and with no leader. I don't know the price for sure, but I would venture to say no more than $2.00 per tape. (I get normal 120 minute tapes from him for about 60 cents a tape). Somehow I suspect there are other reasons beyond tape length and lack of a leader that makes it different from an audio tape. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Cassette Media

by cb＠mythtech.net

>I have a number of data cassette tapes still in original packaging. A maxell >CS-600XD says 600feet length, 16,000ftpi and D/CAS-86 compatible. Have no >idea what that means. Well, at least it gives me the specs to find a compatible tape. In doing some more searching, I'm having a very hard time finding anyone that actually still sells the tape. A few people still list them, but so far no one seems to actually have them. Probably because from what I can find, Maxell no longer makes the tape. Any chance you might want to part with one tape on the cheap? Although, honestly, if I can't find a supplier for tapes, it won't really matter if the drive works or not. Maybe I'll just stick an audio tape in it and see what happens (found a newsgroup posting that says not to even think of doing that... but they don't say why... if the universe implodes tomorrow, you can all blame me for using a cheap audio tape in the drive) -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Cassette Media

by cb＠mythtech.net

I just aquired a ClubMac tape drive that I want to test. It is a rebadged Teac MT-2ST/N50 cassette drive. I'm hunting around for info, and it looks like that uses a 600XD cassette. A regular audio tape cassette fits in it. Does anyone know if I can use regular audio tapes? Maybe a particular style of audio tape? I really just want to test the drive to see if it works, so if an audio tape will work long enough to write some data and read it again to make sure the drive functions, that should be enough. I don't really want to plunk down $15 for a data cassette for it to find that the drive is dead. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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HP 1650B Logic Analyzer Flexible (Floppy) Disk Drive Pinout

by cli＠pholink.com

HI: Does everyone have experience connect 3.5" PC floppy disk drive to HP 16XX logic analyzer? I think the HP used 720K floppy disk. It is different from standard PC floppy disk. He is pintout on HP main board. 1 ? 2 ? 3,5,6,7,9,11,12,14 5V 4, 16 ? 8 ? 13,15,17,19,21,23,25,27 GDN 18 ? 20 ? 22 ? 24 ? 26 ? 28 ? 30 ? 32 ? 34 ? 29, 31,33 12V Would you tell me what "?" is? Thanks LI

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FA: VAX/VMS manuals, DEC CCAs, HP-85, AT&T 3B2 manuals

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

I just finished putting more sutff on E-bay including some DEC VAX/VMS manuals, AT&T 3B2 manuals, a VME chassis, a HP-85 and even a 1903 book on steam engines. I also have DEC circuit cards that wil lbe closing SHORTLY. see <http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=rigdonj> if interested. Joe

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Cassette Media

by cb＠mythtech.net

>I found a little information that may give a cluue. Go to > > http://www.cybergenetic.ca/ebook/wrh13.htm > >and scroll down to the section headed "D/CAS". My tapes have the big >notch described. I think the coercivity of these tapes is about 600 >oersteds (which makes them Class II); normal audio tape is about >280-320 (Class I). Interesting about that notch. I tried fitting an audio cassette tape in mine last night, and it inserted and allowed me to close the drive (flip the locking handle to the locked position). The link indicates that I shouldn't be able to close the drive without that notch being present. I didn't examine the mechanism as it locked, so it is possible that it has a fail safe and although the handle showed locked, the transport in fact wasn't. Or of course, the previous owner may have forced it locked on an audio cassette and broken the transport. I guess I need to open the drive again tonight and take a look. It does give me hope that you think the tape might be in the range on an Audio Class II tape. Those are easy and cheap to come by around here. The local Tower Records sells them in lengths from 30 minutes to 120 minutes, with all sorts of odd "match the CD" lengths in between. They are usually in the $1 to $5 each range depending on brand, quality, length, and number in a pack. I should take a look there tonight, I almost wouldn't be surprised if they sell D/CAS tapes (if they were used in audio equipment at any point, chances are Tower has a few of them). -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Cassette Media

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On May 15, 9:36, chris wrote: > Somehow I suspect there are other reasons beyond tape length and lack of > a leader that makes it different from an audio tape. > > -chris I found a little information that may give a cluue. Go to http://www.cybergenetic.ca/ebook/wrh13.htm and scroll down to the section headed "D/CAS". My tapes have the big notch described. I think the coercivity of these tapes is about 600 oersteds (which makes them Class II); normal audio tape is about 280-320 (Class I). -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Cassette Media

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On May 15, 9:36, chris wrote: > On May 14, 21:40, Geoff Reed wrote: > >theres no header on the data tapes (IIRC) There is on mine, see below. > That's a simple fix. > > Actually, if that is the only reason an audio tape isn't usable, then I > can custom order tapes from a supplier I use in the correct length (600 > feet) and with no leader. I don't know the price for sure, but I would > venture to say no more than $2.00 per tape. (I get normal 120 minute > tapes from him for about 60 cents a tape). > > Somehow I suspect there are other reasons beyond tape length and lack of > a leader that makes it different from an audio tape. Probably. I have some 30/60MB Verbatim ones, which *do* have a leader. I suspect they'e a different coercivity from normal audio tape. However, I think the warnings about not using audo tape come from the fact that cheaper audio tape used to be reknowned for being a little abrasive, and for shedding oxide, which is not very good for streamer performance. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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What is this Apple cable

by cb＠mythtech.net

Anyone know what this cable might go to: Its an Apple looking cable (Apple Platinum, same physical connector style as they used, and found in a box of Apple/Mac stuff... it just lacks an actual Apple logo). It goes from 15 pin D-shell (Mac RGB style) to 9 pin D-shell (PC Serial style). Assuming it to be an Apple cable, it looks like it would go from RGB to something. I'm not aware of any Apple monitors that use a 9 pin connector however. I know there were some 3rd party ones for early Macs (some full page monitors and the likes), but I didn't know of any that would interface with the Mac's RGB connector. Of course, this doesn't rule out that it is a 3rd party video cable that maybe went to a custom video card (like most of the 9 pin using 3rd party monitors I have seen do, only those that I have seen that use 9 pin have all been 9 pin to 9 pin, not 15 to 9). So, has anyone seen a cable like this before that can do better job of speculating what it is for. I am going under the assumption that it is an Apple cable, but if anyone has seen a similar cable for the PC or other systems, I'll be happy to entertain those ideas as well. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

23 years, 1 month

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Solaris 2.6

by brian.roth＠fnfg.com

Can't remember who was looking for this but.... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3023855791&category=41081 Brian Roth Network Administrator A+ N+ CNA CCNA Network Services First Niagara Bank (716) 625-7500 X2186 Brian.Roth(a)FirstNiagaraBank.com ***************************************************************************** ********************* The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential. It is intended for the named recipient(s) only. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager or the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any one or make copies. ** eSafe scanned this email for viruses, vandals and malicious content ** ***************************************************************************** ********************* BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 X-GWTYPE:USER FN:roth, brian TEL;WORK:2186 ORG:;Network Services TEL;PREF;FAX:716-625-0012 EMAIL;WORK;PREF;NGW:brian.roth@fnfg.com N:roth;brian X-GWUSERID:1372 END:VCARD

23 years, 1 month

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Fwd: [swap] Asante Nubus 100 Mbps Fast Ethernet Adapter

by cb＠mythtech.net

Someone on this list was just asking about 10/100 NuBus ethernet cards for the Mac. I saw this posting today, figured I would forward it along. These go quick, so don't be surprised if it is already sold. As usualy, reply to them, not to me. ---------------- Begin Forwarded Message ---------------- Date: 5/15/03 1:19 AM Received: 5/15/03 9:13 AM From: Lorraine Kerwood, raino(a)mindspring.com To: LEM Swap List, lem-swap(a)mail.maclaunch.com Go flying with your connection to your network! Still in shrink wrapped, unopened box. AsanteFAST 10/100 adapter for Nubus. Systems supported; Macintosh computers with NuBus slots, including Power Macintosh family, Quadra family, Mac II family, Centris 650, Performa 600, and duo dock stations. OS 7 and higher. Need cash. Make offer. Need to buy cat 5 cable and jacks for a comp lab. Cashiers check or money order only. Shipping from Eugene, OR 97402 raino ----------------- End Forwarded Message ----------------- -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

23 years, 1 month

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North Start operating System etc.

by graeme＠davies4924.fsnet.co.uk

Help, I have a North Star with Quad density floppies. Unfortunately I do not have any software, operating system etc, can any one point me in the right direction please. Regards Graeme

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Cassette Media

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 5/14/2003 9:09:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, cb(a)mythtech.net writes: > I just aquired a ClubMac tape drive that I want to test. It is a rebadged > Teac MT-2ST/N50 cassette drive. I'm hunting around for info, and it looks > like that uses a 600XD cassette. > > A regular audio tape cassette fits in it. Does anyone know if I can use > regular audio tapes? Maybe a particular style of audio tape? > > I really just want to test the drive to see if it works, so if an audio > tape will work long enough to write some data and read it again to make > sure the drive functions, that should be enough. I don't really want to > plunk down $15 for a data cassette for it to find that the drive is dead. > > I have a number of data cassette tapes still in original packaging. A maxell CS-600XD says 600feet length, 16,000ftpi and D/CAS-86 compatible. Have no idea what that means. -- Antique Computer Virtual Museum www.nothingtodo.org

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Searching for PCjr software title: MasterType (Bounty)

by jplist＠kiwigeek.com

Greetings; I've had a request from a friend who is trying to track down a copy of MasterType for PCjr. He's willing to pay a reasonable bounty for it, but isn't going to pay a Lords ransom. Thanks all; JP Hindin

23 years, 1 month

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Looking to buy Ohio Scientific Challenger

by vcc＠mycroftinc.com

Hi all. I'm in the market for any Ohio Scientific Challenger machines. If you've got one you'd consider selling, please contact me at this e-mail address. Thanks! Sellam Ismail 925/294-5900

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[article] France's Minitel: 20 years young

by vaxzilla＠jarai.org

I noticed this relevant article on the BBC site this morning. Aside >from a one or two inaccuracies (i.e. Minitel preceding the Internet), and this being kind of a filler story, it's good to see classic computing getting coverage in the news. -> France's Minitel: 20 years young -> -> The history of the internet is measured in dog years - -> if you've been using it for 12 months, you're an old hand; -> since the 1990s, and you're a veteran. -> -> But as far back as 1983, a band of pioneers started using -> electronic networks to communicate, share information and -> work more efficiently. -> -> No, not Silicon Valley geeks, nor US military scientists - -> but ordinary French people, long derided as the worst of -> technophobic old Europe. -> -> Minitel, France's precursor to the internet, is 20 years -> old, and rumours of its demise have repeatedly proved -> exaggerated. -> -> [...] Full article: <http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/3012769.stm> -brian.

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Leaving the Hobby

by acme＠ao.net

> I am leaving the hobby/lifestyle of classic computing. I will not > participate in any discussion of the reason. The decision has been made. Thank you for your contributions to this list. May you life be long and happy. Best regards, Glen Goodwin 0/0

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Got Picture? Anyone got a link to a picture of a Televideo 2605?

by rhudson＠cnonline.net

Anyone got a link to a picture of a Televideo 2605? If it's the one I remember... Televideo's PC/AT Color screen and a box on the side holding 1 10mb hard drive and 1 5.25 floppy. Thanks

23 years, 1 month

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Cool Find at Auction Today

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

Picked up a iMMIX videocube today auction and have been trying to find out more about it on the web? Most of the links are bad that have gotten back doing a google search. In the same lot was a PowerPC 8100/100 tower and a 6116CD.

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Oldest computer still in current use

by cb＠mythtech.net

>> On another list I am on, we were discussing why DOS is still used today >> (basic answer, because its working just fine, so why upgrade). >> The following questions were posed that I don't know the answer to, but >> someone here might. > >The questions are meaningless without clarification and/or parameters. I was trying to leave it vague, specifically because I WANTED to elict discussions like "Does Voyager count?". I wanted to see what the general opinions of list members were regarding what they felt was the oldest computer or computer system still in regular use. If I tried to clarify it too much, then I risked people not answering because they felt it didn't qualify (I'll be the judge of what I feel doesn't qualify for myself, but I wanted all opinons regardless). >> 1: What is the oldest computer or comptuer system still in normal >> operational use > >You havn't even clarified whether you mean individual machine, or design. >Individual machine: stonehenge >design: abacus Although both are valid, I was really after an electronic computer (although I don't care if it is digital or analog). Actually, answers like these are why I left it vague. I hadn't even thought about either answer, and both are fully valid. They are old "computing" systems, still operating today. Had I clarified my question with specific parameters, then you might not have suggested them as possible answers. >> 2: What is the oldest that is connected to the internet > >Continuously connected? or just the oldest machine that is now connected? >For example: if today somebody connects a Univac, would that count? >Are you really after which machine is the oldest of those that are >connected? or are you REALLY after whgich machine has been connected >longest? I'm just curious what the oldest someone has gotten connected to the internet is. So someone finding a way to connect a Univac, even if it is just for 10 minutes to see if it can be done would be acceptable to me. This question had a 2nd part to it that asked what was the oldest that was hosting a web site (although in rethinking my own question, I would accept any kind of public accessable internet connected server be it web, ftp, telnet, or whatever). So this part would imply a longer duration connection. BUT, you also bring up an interesting 4th question... what computer has been connected to the internet the longest (and in addition, which one has the longest single continious uptime of internet connection and how long is/was that) -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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StorageWorks question

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

> Wonder if Storageworks ever offered > an SDI/RA* series converter? Now that would be nice! Unfortunatly to the best of my knowledge they didn't. Something like that would be nice for my MicroVAX III. Zane

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smartRAID Century and Millenium controller manual

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

Found this while cleaning. Does anyone need it? DPT SmartRAID Century Millenium Intelligent Raid, SCSI & Fibre Channel Controllers User's Manual. Joe

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64 pin PLCC socket

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

A month or so ago someone on the lsit was fussing that they couldn't find any ZIF type PLCC sockets. I picked up a small cirucit board that has a Textool 64 pin PLCC ZIF socket on it. You can have it for the cost of shipping if you need it. The ZIF socket is mounted in a soldered on socket but isn't soldered itself. The socket is bolted to a metal plate that's bolted to the circuit board. You'll have to take ti apart yourself. Joe

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Cool new find!

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

Went to one of my favorite scrounging places today and found that they had a forest of HP cabinents! They had all been dumped off of a truck and were piled up and leaning on each other like a bunch of dominoes. I stood up as many as I could and nearly lost three fingers in the process when a HP tape drive swung open and scissored on my hand! Luckily someone else was there to grab the drive and swing it closed. But it was worth it! I found a lot of HP 7970E tape drives, a bunch of HP 7912 disk drives (and some of them even say that their heads were locked down!), a HP Multiprogrammer, a bunch of HP power supplies AND (drum roll!) ONE LOADED HP 1000! This beast is a 2117F and has the floating point unit, an expansion chassis, a 13037D (MAC?) disk drive interface, a 7906D disk drive and a 7970 Tape drive and even the battery power backup. The computer is LOADED. It has 3x 256k (words) high performance memory boards, 2x 512k HS error correcting memory baords, an ECC memory controller, a I/O Buffer card, two sets of 7970 tape drive controller cards, two Line Printer controller cards, a time base card, a 13037 interface card, an HP-IB interface and three BACI (communications) cards and the manadatory MEM, DC PC and Mem Protect cards. The expansion chassis has three programmable direct connect serial interfaces, a BUS I/O card, and two more BACI cards. I got EVERYTHING that wasn't nailed down including the cables! The CPU has the followoing Loader ROMs installed; 264x Terminal, "12992-50000", 79xx Disk and 7905/20 Disk. Does anyone know what the "12992-50000" is? 12992 is the right pre-fix for the loader rom PNs but I've heard of a -50000 ROM and it's not listed in any of the docs that I can find. Joe

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Working 8" Floppy drives??? (from originator)

by nick＠4realworld.com

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Thank you for your replies! From today's digest, they are: ?. Re: Working 8" Floppy drives??? (Fred Cisin, from an earlier digest) 2. Re: Working 8" Floppy drives??? (Ethan Dicks) 4. Re: Working 8" Floppy drives??? (Jochen Kunz) 7. Re: Working 8" Floppy drives??? (Peter Turnbull) 11. Re: Working 8" Floppy drives??? (Tony Duell) 12. Re: Working 8" Floppy drives??? (Tony Duell) Including all of these messages in my reply would be a misuse of bandwidth. Please see the original text of the replies. ? Re: Working 8" Floppy drives??? (Fred Cisin) from yesterday's digest? Fred asks if we have considered substituting 1.2M 5.25" drives. Hmmmm. I didn't know there were such drives. I know of DSDD 360K 5.25 drives and 1.44M 3.5 drives, even 720K 5.25 drives, but not 1.2M 5.25 drives. On the general subject of using a substitute drive. I have actually been considering if this could be done. I have not suggested doing that because I need to find out the feasibility. I would hope we could at least get into the 1990s with a 1.44M 3.5 in floppy drive. 2. Re: Working 8" Floppy drives??? (Ethan Dicks) 4. Re: Working 8" Floppy drives??? (Jochen Kunz) 7. Re: Working 8" Floppy drives??? (Peter Turnbull) 12. Re: Working 8" Floppy drives??? (Tony Duell) These replies will probably be helpful to someone with a hardware background (which I'm not). They point out the complexities of substituting one type of drive for another. This level of complexity is about what I expected. 11. Re: Working 8" Floppy drives??? (Tony Duell) Your answer is not silly at all. I didn't know whether such drives would be very rare or plentiful in the "vintage" market. I see now that there are "plenty" of them. The obvious questions, once I know what drives are compatible, are: Are they actually for aale? How much will each cost? What condition are they in? I don't think my client is prepared to pay for "priceless antiques". He considers these to simply be old hardware that he needs to buy. The client has been repairing the drives for years. They are in heavy constant use. I get the impression that they are simply getting too fragile to repair. The client seems to have the impression that 8" floppy drives are very hard to find. While I think that upgrading the system to be based on, say, 1990 technology rather than 1980 technology is a good idea, I am sure they can make the existing system work for quite a while with an adequate supply of replacement drives. Regards, Nick Garnett ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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PS/1 for sale. Offers invited.

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 5/13/2003 4:04:19 AM Eastern Daylight Time, hofmanwb(a)worldonline.nl writes: << A charity I do some work for has an IBM PS/1 they would wamt to sell. 80386/16. 40 Mb HD, color monitor, dutch handbook. Location Arnhem, The Netherlands. >> That sounds like the 2121 model which uses the display to power the CPU. Worth maybe $20USD

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OT: Voyager watts

by cb＠mythtech.net

>Plutonium is an extremely toxic metal. 1 microgram will kill you damn >quick. >Plus it's readily absorbed by tissue, which means everywhere you have a Pu >speck, you're irradiating tissue with ionizing radiation in a few centimeter >radius. Not good for a long term outlook. Ok, that answered the other question I just posed, that is, how dangerous is it. Sounds like its some pretty nasty stuff so an explosion WOULD be of actual concern. > Incidently, the tree huggers worries on this matter are not completely >unfounded. Because of launch weight issues, the shielding material is not >really designed to survive reentry. And add to it like Dwight said, NASA's track record for screwing things up... and yeah, I guess there was a good cause for concern. I could see it being less of an issue in the past when NASA spent tons and tons of money on a single probe, but these days, when they seem hell bent on getting the cost under that of a VW Bug, I would expect more accidents to occur. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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PCjr with Racore HDD expansion - setup help!

by nampcjr＠yahoo.com

Hello to you all with a PCjr still lying around dormant in the dust! I have recently aquired a Racore HDD expansion chassis (Model 1500/1501) . There was no doubleheight sidecar with it, but I have normal and DMA extras to install. A gentlemen from "Computer Reset" believed the system used the DMA sidecar, but for the life of me, I can not get power to the unit. The expansion chassis does not have the standard power supply found on the floppy units. It has, instead, a powerboard, but where the power input would be on the floppy units, there is instead a serial port.If anyone has the setup instructions for this model or knows off hand how to set it up, Id appreciate the help in getting this neat "extra" setup and working. Thanks Brian The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo.

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OT: Voyager watts

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

>From: chris <cb(a)mythtech.net> > >>From what I remember, those probes (and most (all?) other deep space probes, I >>think), use a radioisotope decay generator for power. This is a >>sub-critical-mass nuclear power plant; it uses the heat produced by a >>near-critical lump of plutonium to generate electricity, rather then using >>fission to produce heat to produce electricity. > >So is this the power supply all those whiney people were bitching about >NASA trying to put into a Mars probe? They were all afraid the probe >would explode during launch and be ground zero of a nuclear blast (or >some other most likely vagely based on reality doomsday outcome activists >are notorious for). > >-chris ><http://www.mythtech.net> > Hi You can't even get a pile of plutonium of greater than critical mass to blow up, by it self. It will just get hotter and hotter until is melts or if contained long enough to vaporize. To make a bomb you need to increase the neutrons quickly. In a bomb, this is done with a thing called a trigger. What most where worried about was just the accidental spread of radioactive material in the atmosphere. I don't know about you but I don't like breathing that stuff if I don't have to. The problem is that NASA doesn't have a good track record for using common sense to avoid accidents. I'm still in favor of them using the radioactive power sources for the probes, I just wish it was someone else determining when and how it was safe to launch them. Dwight

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Preserving ancient media (was Re: VCFe Munich report)

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

> > True, but I doubt that Hans or any of the rest of us are planning on > > trashing the originals after they've been copied. > > Maybe not on this list, but I have seen it happen far too often > elsewhere. People think the latest/greatest storage media must be more > reliable that something that's rather more ancient... For some of the stuff I'm copying to more modern media, I have to keep the originals, even if it becomes unreadable, in order to be legal. In some cases I've had to archive the original material, and then reuse the original Media (RL02's come to mind). > > I think the thing to remember is, just because you've transferred > > something from original media to "modern" (for the moment) media, you > > aren't off the hook forever. Those same copies will have to be > > copied to "modern" media at some point in the future. Depending on > > I would never want to rely on this happening, simply because it won't > always happen. People forget, or they assume tbat nobody will ever what > 'that old file'. And then it's lost for ever. I'm trying the following with my archive of DEC stuff. 1. I have the archive on my fileserver (I prefer keeping copies on two different spinning hard drives). 2. I have two backup copies, one I keep, and one my parents keep. 3. I update #2 when additions are made to #1, keeping the previous backups. Zane

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VCFe Munich report

by ljw＠formula1.demon.co.uk

I spent last weekend at the European Vintage Computer Fair (www.vcfe.org) in Munich. I didn't take anything along for display myself, but spent the time looking at what the others had brought. I guess my favourites were the CP/M portables, since I haven't played with one for years. Gaby Chaudry (www.gaby.de) had brought along a Kaypro and an Osborne 1. I'm not sure how we ever survived with the tiny screen on the latter. Other highlights: a nice display of disk drive head assemblies, from the huge to the miniature; evolution of the Mac LC (I'm not into these, but it was interesting); an IDE interface for the Z80 (if they ever do an 8080 version I'll take one); lots of old machines doing very impressive things, showing that there is still effort going into to programming and updating. I suppose the thing which came home to me was how there was an explosion of PC design in the late 70s/early 80s before things converged to the IBM/Apple paths. Tours were running to see the Cray-4 & Cyber 960 (www.cray-cyber.org) and I went along for a look. The temperature reminded me of when I had my 360/30 running. These machines are available for remote access, the Cray runs 24 hours a day. I paid a quick visit to Hans Franke's warehouse, I'm sure he has one of everything hiding there somewhere. I haven't seen a SC/MP evaluation board for, well, decades. Hans' presentation on storing vintage computer data as XML made me realise that the most important thing is to get everything preserved, and then work out what to do with it. I could store everything I've ever written on an 8-bit computer in a corner of my existing hard drive and not even notice it was there. I've got to dig out all those KCS cassettes, ASR33 printouts and even a few bits of paper tape and get them transferred. Finally, I visited the Deutsches-Museum in Munich for a final fix of computer stuff (www.deutsches-museum.de/e_index.htm). They have a very good display of calculating and computing machinery, from ancient instruments through Zuse Z3, Univac, IBM360 up to a Cray 1. I have a soft spot for the 360/20, even if it's not quite as good as a /30. Thanks to Hans for all his organisation, and to all the others that made it such a good weekend. I will be back next year, hopefully as an exhibitor. -- Lawrence Wilkinson ljw(a)formula1.demon.co.uk Ph +44(0)1869-811059 http://www.formula1.demon.co.uk

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id this HP 1000 CCA - HP 5061-3432

by aek＠spies.com

BTW is there a reason that the search feature of Acrobat doesn't work on the docs on your website? __ Search assumes the document has been OCRed

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id this HP 1000 CCA - HP 5061-3432

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

Found another HP 1000 today :-) It has three CCAs that I can't identify. They're all PN 5061-3432. Besides the usual TTL logic they have the following socketed ICs; 8 4116 memories, one EPROM and the following Zilog ICs; (2) Z8430A PS, (2) Z8410A PS, Z8400A PS, Z8442A PS. Anybody know what these are? Joe

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Leaving the Hobby

by jss＠subatomix.com

I am leaving the hobby/lifestyle of classic computing. I will not participate in any discussion of the reason. The decision has been made. What remains is to divest myself of my remaining collection. Part of that process is underway in private dealings with certain individuals. The rest of my collection will be offered in lots on eBay. If you don't like that, tough. I believe that eBay is the best way to get the word out about available items, the best way to deal fairly with prospective takers, and the best way to ensure that the items go to good homes. The first set of auctions will begin in the next few days. I will consider trades for other items; a list of things I am seeking will accompany each auction. I will continue my duties as list moderator for some time. Jay will see to the long-term continuation of list services. -- Jeffrey Sharp

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id this HP 1000 CCA - HP 5061-3432

by aek＠spies.com

HP 12792A 8-Channel Asynchrounous Muliplexer.

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Oldest computer still in current use

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

>From: ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk > >> A friend has an IMSAI 8080 that he still uses to burn PROMs ... that's the >> oldest one I know of. > >It's nowhwere near the oldest computer still in use (since it's based on >a microprocessor), but when I need to program 1702s, I have to use my >Intellec MCS8i, since that's the only machine I have with a suitable >programmer. And that machine is older than an Imsai. > > >-tony > Hi I use my 4004 system for 1702A's. I suspect that is at least one or two years older than your MCS8i. Dwight

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George Morrow died Wed May 7th 2003

by dzubint＠vcn.bc.ca

Some sad news... http://www.businessweek.com/technology/cnet/stories/1000732.htm and http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=9415 Quote: "Morrow, who was 69, was a member of the Homebrew Computer Club, many of the members of which became instrumental in pushing the concept of the personal computer. He formed a firm called Microstuf and was responsible for the design of the S100 bus." ------------------- Thomas Dzubin Calgary, Saskatoon, or Vancouver CANADA

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OT: Voyager watts

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

>From: "Kapteyn, Rob" <kapteynr(a)cboe.com> > >I think RTG stands for "Radioactive Thermal Generation" or something like that. > >It is a hunk of plutonium that, on its own, glows at a high temperature. >Since the temperature of space is near absolute zero, there is a large temperature difference. >A relatively simple, dependable thermocouple generates electrical power from this temperature difference, >making a really long-lasting, dependable battery -- but not of the sort you want in your kid's toys :-) Hi At least I know for sure that the Cassini uses a linear Stirling engine and not thermocouples. These are much more efficient at producing electricity with a thermal source. The linear ones can use magnetic bearings and don't have wear factors to worry about. They can also be controlled to give a more constant power output by changing the efficiency as the radioactive source runs down. Dwight

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Need HP-UX System Security manual ($$$)

by vcf＠siconic.com

I am in need of the HP-UX System Security manual from 1989. I don't know if that is the exact title but it's what I was given. If someone's got it then please come forward. There is a bounty for this. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *

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OT: Voyager watts

by cb＠mythtech.net

>From what I remember, those probes (and most (all?) other deep space probes, I >think), use a radioisotope decay generator for power. This is a >sub-critical-mass nuclear power plant; it uses the heat produced by a >near-critical lump of plutonium to generate electricity, rather then using >fission to produce heat to produce electricity. So is this the power supply all those whiney people were bitching about NASA trying to put into a Mars probe? They were all afraid the probe would explode during launch and be ground zero of a nuclear blast (or some other most likely vagely based on reality doomsday outcome activists are notorious for). -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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OT: Voyager watts

by cb＠mythtech.net

> What most where worried about was just the accidental >spread of radioactive material in the atmosphere. I don't know >about you but I don't like breathing that stuff if I don't >have to. Knowing NOTHING about radioactive material (other than its amazing what simple items will set off my fire department's old geiger counter)... would an explosion really pose a health hazard? Are we talking about enough of a quantity to cause an issue (I don't know how deadly it is, so I don't know what kind of an airborn PPM is needed to be a problem). -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Japanese 100V units on USA 110-120V

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

Hi One should note that most switching supplies are happier with an additional 20% voltage. Linears get hotter with excess voltage. Dwight >From: "Gary Dean Hildebrand" <ghldbrd(a)ccp.com> >> >Cameron Kaiser writes: > > >> Anyone out there have experience with how Japanese computers of that era >> (early 1980s) tolerate United States mains voltage, since Japanese voltage >> is lower (100V)? Any recommendations, cautions, or concerns? > >A variac (ISTR is three syllables) will work, but why can't you get a >18-20vac transformer and wire it to buck the 120v down to 100v? I'd think >that would be simpler, and a whole lot smaller. > >Cameron, you said you were in the market for a variac. I have a couple for >sale, but they are 10A, complete with STEEL rack panel. These would be >great for any workbench, and good for some current as well. Drop me a line >offlist. > >Gary Hildebrand >St. Joseph, MO

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OT: Voyager watts

by cb＠mythtech.net

>In the >case of a Voyager-class probe, with RTG-sourced power, For the few of us on the list that are idiots (ok, fine, just for me then), what is RTG sourced power? -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Oldest computer still in current use

by cb＠mythtech.net

>The science being addressed is something we have no other way of observing >in situ (remote observing missions are being planned) so it's still in >practical use if you regard basic scientific research as "practical" (I do, >but then, I would). After seeing the mission status report on Vyger, I'd have to revise my previous notion that I didn't accept it as an answer. Since it is still sending data, and we are still receiving it, and it is still carrying out its original mission (ie: it isn't doing it simply because it can't be turned off, but rather is doing it because we WANT it to do it regardless of our ability to shut it off). I'd have to say that I now DO accept Vyger as an answer. So the question is, when was it launched (1977) and is there something older in regular use (I would think so). But this also brought to my attention something I had previously not know. That Voyager 1 and 2 were both launched at the same time. I had always thought 2 was years after 1 (I thought 2 was late 70's, and 1 was early 70's). I'm not sure why I thought that, maybe it was because it took a different course and was more recently in the news sending back data about the outer planets. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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OT: Voyager watts

by kapteynr＠cboe.com

I think RTG stands for "Radioactive Thermal Generation" or something like that. It is a hunk of plutonium that, on its own, glows at a high temperature. Since the temperature of space is near absolute zero, there is a large temperature difference. A relatively simple, dependable thermocouple generates electrical power from this temperature difference, making a really long-lasting, dependable battery -- but not of the sort you want in your kid's toys :-) -----Original Message----- From: cctalk-admin(a)classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-admin@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of chris Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 10:25 AM To: Classic Computer Subject: Re: OT: Voyager watts >In the >case of a Voyager-class probe, with RTG-sourced power, For the few of us on the list that are idiots (ok, fine, just for me then), what is RTG sourced power? -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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ST Falcon Goes high on eBay

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

>From: "Hills, Paul" <Paul.HILLS(a)landisgyr.com> > >That's a lot - it's not really a vintage machine, nor a particularly rare >one. I still use mine as a MC56000 Digital Signal Processing (DSP) testbed. >At the time, the ?500 I paid for it was a quarter of what I would have had >to pay to get a DSP experimentation card for a PC, and since I didn't have a >PC at the time it was a bargain. > >In addition to that, I wrote a series of articles about DSP for the ST >Format magazine in the UK, for which they paid me ?500, recompensing the >computer's cost! Ha! > >paul > Hi For my DSP experiments, I got one of those "SoftModems". It had a A/D-D/A, ADSP2100 Analog Devices DSP and RAM to load the programs into. It only cost me $75 when new. Dwight

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Oldest computer still in current use

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

>From: TeoZ <teoz(a)neo.rr.com> > >The oldest computer still in use has to be a government non military server >somewhere. The military gets too much cash not to swap their equipment out >every decade at the latest so I rule them out. Other branches only upgrade Hi You must know something about the military that I don't know. When I was in the military ( middle 70's ) we were still using some pieces of gear that were made during ww2. The military often doesn't replace something until you can't get replacement parts any more. In some cases, even then, ways are found to keep them running. They do get a lot of new gear but that is usually to add function and not to replace. Dwight >after every user who knows how to run the system is dead/retired. Probably >some computer setup for the social security database, or liscense plate >server or other mundane task. > >Besides im shure there are tons of Sinclair's running chemical plant >controllers in the Ukraine somewhere that are at least older then the C64. > >What about the computer sent out in the Voyager spacecraft in the 70's? Or >is this just personal computers? > > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "R. D. Davis" <rdd(a)rddavis.org> >To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> >Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2003 9:59 PM >Subject: Re: Oldest computer still in current use > > >> Quothe UnRooster, from writings of Sat, May 10, 2003 at 01:14:38PM -0600: >> > What about Commodore 64? >> >> Hardly. That's one of those newfangled little computers of relatively >> recent vintage. It doesn't seem all that long since my C-64 was >> brand spanking new. Does that mean that I'm getting old? ;-) >> >> -- >> Copyright (C) 2003 R. D. Davis The difference between humans & other >animals: >> All Rights Reserved an unnatural belief that we're above Nature >& >> rdd(a)rddavis.org 410-744-4900 her other creatures, using dogma to justify >such >> http://www.rddavis.org beliefs and to justify much human cruelty.

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Oldest computer still in current use

by Michael.Haffely＠katun.com

Voyager Mission Operations Status Report # 2003-03-14, March 8 Through March 14, 2003 Command Transmission & Verification Operations Voyager 1 command operations consisted of a command loss timer reset on 03/11 [DOY 070/1555z]. The spacecraft received the command. There were no Voyager 2 command operations during the period. Sequence Generation Operations Continue sequence development of CCSL A047 and B119 mini-sequence. Data Return Operations Voyager 1 Data Processing and Operations: There were 79.1 hours of DSN scheduled support for Voyager 1 of which 2.5 hours were large aperture coverage. There was one real-time change made on 03/11 [DOY 070] when 1.3 hours of DSS-25 support was released to Ulysses. The total actual support was 77.8 hours of which 2.5 hours were large aperture coverage. There were no significant outages during the period. Science instrument performance was nominal for all activities during this period. One frame of GS-4 data was recorded this week. The AHELI1 cyclic for recording additional GS-4 data was enabled on November 17, 2001. A frame from this cyclic was recorded on March 8. The EDR backlog is 23 days. Voyager 2 Data Processing and Operations: There were 73.9 hours of DSN scheduled support for Voyager 2 of which 18.0 hours were large aperture coverage. There were no real-time or schedule support changes made or significant outages during the period. Science instrument performance was nominal for all activities during this period. One frame of GS-4 data was recorded on March 12. The PRA receiver recovered from it's 84th POR event on March 11. It has been 393 days since the last POR event. Twenty-six frames of GS-4 data were played back on March 12. Approximately 96.95% of the data were recovered. The EDR backlog is 23 days. Flight System Performance Voyager 1 performance was nominal during this report period. Activity included an ASCAL on 3/12 (DOY 071). Voyager 2 performance was nominal during this report period. Activities included a PMPCAL on 3/11 (DOY 070), X-Band high power and DTR playback on 3/12 (DOY 071), and turning ON Gyros B/C on 3/13 (DOY 072). PROPELLANT/POWER CONSUMABLES STATUS AS OF 3-13-03/3-14-03 Spacecraft Consumption One Week (Gm) Propellant Remaining (Kg) Output (Watts) Margin (Watts) 1 9.12 30.23 305.0 28 2 9.82 32.11 306.4 37 RANGE, VELOCITY AND ROUND TRIP LIGHT TIME AS OF 3/14/03 Voyager 1 Voyager 2 Distance from the Sun (Km) 13,119,000,000 10,424,000,000 Distance from the Sun (Mi) 8,152,000,000 6,477,000,000 Distance from the Earth (Km) 13,096,000,000 10,479,000,000 Distance from the Earth (Mi) 8,137,000,000 6,511,000,000 Total Distance Traveled Since Launch (Km) 14,941,000,000 14,007,000,000 Total Distance Traveled Since Launch (Mi) 9,284,000,000 8,704,000,000 Velocity Relative to Sun (Km/sec) 17.212 15.690 Velocity Relative to Sun (Mi/hr) 38,501 35,096 Velocity Relative to Earth (Km/sec) 18.770 24.570 Velocity Relative to Earth (Mi/hr) 41,986 54,961 Round Trip Light Time (hh:mm:ss) 24:15:58 19:25:04

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Oldest computer still in current use

by cb＠mythtech.net

>What about the computer sent out in the Voyager spacecraft in the 70's? Or >is this just personal computers? Well, for my question, it doesn't matter if it is personal computer or a mainframe or whatever. Although I would rule out the Voyager computer for two reasons. 1: You can't say for sure that it is still running (is it still sending back data?) and 2: Its only still running because no one shut it off. However, I WOULD consider any original ground based systems that are still in use listening for data from Voyager to be valid. At least they are still serving a purpose even if they aren't getting any data. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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FW: PoqetPad Plus User Guide

by Robert_Feldman＠jdedwards.com

FYI (From the Poqet mailing list) Bob -----Original Message----- From: Sven Utcke [mailto:utcke@informatik.uni-hamburg.de] Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 5:33 AM To: Poqet PC mailing list Subject: PoqetPad Plus User Guide Hi everybody, several of you were interested in the User Guide for the PoqetPadPlus. Bill Moy was so good to photocopy his version (several times) and to send it to all interested --- big cheers to Bill for that! John O'Neal than scanned in his copy, and after a lot of problems with ftp this is now available as a 16MB File at ftp://kogs.informatik.uni-hamburg.de/pub/utcke/poqetpc/PoqetPadPlus.pdf Happy downloading Sven -- _ __ The Cognitive Systems Group | |/ /___ __ _ ___ University of Hamburg | ' </ _ \/ _` (_-< phone: +49 (0)40 42883-2576 Vogt-Koelln-Strasse 30 |_|\_\___/\__, /__/ fax : +49 (0)40 42883-2572 D-22527 Hamburg |___/ http://kogs-www.informatik.uni-hamburg.de/~utcke/home.html

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Congrats to Megan

by Robert_Feldman＠jdedwards.com

I don't know if this was mentioned earlier, but I see that Megan has gotten a new job. Congratulations! -----Original Message----- From: Megan [mailto:mbg@theworld.com] Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2003 12:46 PM To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: RE: Oldest computer still in current use <snip> Megan Gentry Former RT-11 Developer +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | email: mbg at world dot std dot com | | Member of Technical Staff | megan at savaje dot com | | SavaJe Technologies, Inc | | | 100 Apollo Dr. | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ | | Chelmsford, MA | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler | | (DEC '77-'98) | required." - mbg KB1FCA | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+

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Stone age? (was: George Morrow died Wed May 7th 2003

by cb＠mythtech.net

>> Rebuilding? Without the existing infrastructure (in the wilderness), how >> many people would be capable of building/making ANYTHING? Other than >> Tony, could you make a battery? a bulb? Do you really know how to extract >> the materials needed from the ground? > >I can think of two people off the top of my head - Captain Kirk when >fighting the Zorn Captain, and McGuyver in just about any episode. Don't forget the Professor from Giligan's Island. :-) -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Oldest computer still in current use

by Gary.Messick＠itt.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Vintage Computer Festival [mailto:vcf@siconic.com] > Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2003 1:22 AM > To: Classic Computers > Subject: Re: Oldest computer still in current use > <SNIP> > > I am inclined to believe there may still be some ground > systems for the > Space Shuttle program that are run on 8080 based machines.2 > I can confirm as a fact that there was at least 1 8086 flying on Columbia before Feb 1. ************************************ If this email is not intended for you, or you are not responsible for the delivery of this message to the addressee, please note that this message may contain ITT Privileged/Proprietary Information. In such a case, you may not copy or deliver this message to anyone. You should destroy this message and kindly notify the sender by reply email. Information contained in this message that does not relate to the business of ITT is neither endorsed by nor attributable to ITT. ************************************

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by cb＠mythtech.net

>I dont understand your logic. Logic plays no role... this was nothing more than a question I posed (almost a week ago non the less). Therefore in looking for answers, I can allow or disallow anything I please for any reason I please. That doesn't make it valid or invalid for anyone other than me. If others want to tag onto my 2 questions, then they can use whatever criterea they desire to see if something is a valid answer for them. >The Voyager is ruled out because it might be >too far away to have its valid data (stuff it was made to send back on >purpose) get back to us, but the recieving equipment that will never get any >data back since the signal isnt getting back is still a valid system? The big strike Voyager has against it in my book is that no one can tell if it is still running. Its not valid to me, because it might be mythical (not the craft, but rather the fact that it is still functioning). The ground computers on the other hand are valid, because they can be verified and someone each budgeting cycle has to make the decision if they want to continue to spend money having them operate. So they are still doing their original job... listening for data from Voyager. Of course, its all pretty irrelivant as I'm sure the original ground computers for Voyager have long since been shut off and removed. NASA may still be listening, but if they are, I'm sure the task has been lumped in with other newer monitoring systems. >Would an old obsolete college computer that runs a 300 baud bbs still be >valid if nobody knows about it, or even called it and the college forgot to >shut it down in the last 40 years? If it is running ONLY because no one knows its running AND no one knows it exists... then its a mute point. If a tree falls in the woods... Although, I would still, for my original question, consider it not valid. Because it isn't in normal use. The simple fact that no one knows about it removes it from use (no one dials in to the BBS anymore, and the sysop forgot it is there so isn't leaving it up just in case someone stumbles on it). If on the other hand, a sysop knows about it and IS leaving it running just to see if someone hits it, then I might consider it valid. At least it is still serving a function. But I would have to hunt for a better answer, something that is a bit more in use. (I would also probably hunt for a better answer than Voyager ground monitoring computers for the same reason, they may be valid, but they are a poor example). >If somebody fires up an old 50's analog computer in a museum just to see if >it still kicks is it really "in use"? No, because my ORIGINAL question was, what is the oldest computer still in normal use. So for MY question, that is, the answer I am looking for.... I will only consider a computer that was put into service when it was reasonably new, and is still functioning today. I will also accept an old computer that was put back into service either as a replacement for one the died, or because it was needed to do a job, and it was the best option for the job. So I wouldn't consider a collector or museum that has put an old machine into service just because they can (although that would still be interesting to know, but for my question, I would consider that a different catagory). This of course is 100% acceptable as an answer for my 2nd question that was: Whats the oldest computer connected online and preferably hosting a site that can be visited. Its very acceptable to me that the best answer for this is one that is doing it for no other reason than because someone wanted to see if it could be done with one of their old collected computers. But for my first question, 'm looking for the type of answer along the lines of "Company XXX still uses YYY for their ZZZ process". -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Vax 6000-430 upgrade to 6000-620

by geoffrob＠stmarks.pp.catholic.edu.au

Following a successful trans-Pacific trade, (for a DRQ3B) I have the following that will (theoretically) upgrade my Vax 6000-430 to a 6000-620. 2 T2054-AA 6000-600 CPUs 1 T2019 3.3V regulator, 25A Can Antonio or one of the other DEC experts confirm that there are no other hardware mods required to the Vax 6000-200/300/400 series cabinets (this particular machine was originally a 6000-310 IIRC) to support the 500 & 600 series cpu boards other than the insertion of the T2019 3.3v regulator board? ie no re-cabling etc? AFAIK this is a plug it in and go field upgrade but would like to confirm it before committing irreplaceable hardware to possible destruction. Can't seem to find much on the web about the process itself. Thanks. Geoff in Oz

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CFX-200

by jrichar9＠bellsouth.net

Looking for replacement buttons for Casio CFX-200 Scientific watch. Any idea where I might find them? Thanks! Jim Richardson

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Old Cisco

by brian.roth＠fnfg.com

Does anyone have a source for Old Cisco hardware, IOS, documentation info. Preferably pre 1990. Brian Roth Network Administrator A+ N+ CNA CCNA Network Services First Niagara Bank (716) 625-7500 X2186 Brian.Roth(a)FirstNiagaraBank.com ***************************************************************************** ********************* The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential. It is intended for the named recipient(s) only. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager or the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any one or make copies. ** eSafe scanned this email for viruses, vandals and malicious content ** ***************************************************************************** ********************* BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 X-GWTYPE:USER FN:roth, brian TEL;WORK:2186 ORG:;Network Services TEL;PREF;FAX:716-625-0012 EMAIL;WORK;PREF;NGW:brian.roth@fnfg.com N:roth;brian X-GWUSERID:1372 END:VCARD

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ST Falcon Goes high on eBay

by Paul.HILLS＠landisgyr.com

That's a lot - it's not really a vintage machine, nor a particularly rare one. I still use mine as a MC56000 Digital Signal Processing (DSP) testbed. At the time, the £500 I paid for it was a quarter of what I would have had to pay to get a DSP experimentation card for a PC, and since I didn't have a PC at the time it was a bargain. In addition to that, I wrote a series of articles about DSP for the ST Format magazine in the UK, for which they paid me £500, recompensing the computer's cost! Ha! paul -----Original Message----- From: Keys [mailto:jrkeys@concentric.net] Sent: 05 May 2003 05:42 To: cctalk@classiccmp Subject: ST Falcon Goes high on eBay This ST Falcon goes for over $300. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?viewitem&item=2725518828

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zenith zfl-184-01

by robert-e＠pacbell.net

I salvaged this laptop, looks ok, but does'nt have a power supply. Any members of this b-board in the san francisco bay area interested in it?? robert-e(a)pacbell.net

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by cb＠mythtech.net

>> Although I would rule out the Voyager computer for two reasons. 1: You >> can't say for sure that it is still running (is it still sending back >> data?) and 2: Its only still running because no one shut it off. > >Both Voyager spacecraft are still transmitting. Is NASA still getting data? I assume it will continue to transmit until a failure of some kind occurs, regardless of if we can hear it. But I didn't think NASA was still getting data from V_YGER :-) -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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VAXStation 2000 start-up questions

by josh＠becks-online.net

I am having the same type of issue. I have a VAXstation 3100 and the Hold Screen, Lock, Compose and Wait lights are all lit. I have tried typing B and B followed by a device at the >>> prompt, but nothing seems to work. Any ideas? I would love to breath new life into this Old VAXstation as a BSD machine. Josh Beck

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StorageWorks question

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

I have a StorageWorks unit that's surplus to requirements. It's a floor-standing box, complete with the doors and keys, 2 PSUs, and some "innards". Can anyone tell me if all thse bits belong in the same unit? 2 x SWXBP power supply 1 x HSD10-AA DSSI-SCSI controller (what does this do, exactly?) 1 x 70-32155-01 8-bit interface (SCSI? or what?) 1 x RZ29B 4.3GB fast wide disk 1 x TLZ06 DDS tape drive It came wih a MicroVAX some time ago, but I've never used it. Anybody want it, for a suitably low price? -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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DEC RL02 -vs- RL02-A

by skidmore＠mail.worldvenue.org

Could someone tell what the differences are between a DEC RL02 -vs- a RL02-A, or point me to the appropriate web site. Thanks very much, Barry -- Barry Skidmore | Hobbyist Systems: skidmore(a)worldvenue.org | C64/128 Red Hat Linux 8.0 | MicroVAX 3100-40, OpenVMS Postfix 1.1.11 | Mac SE/30's --

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A Vectrex Case goes for over $162

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

This just for a empty case???? The machines itself goes for $5 to $25 at the thrifts here. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2723594245

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TIL308

by rcc.electronic＠t-online.de

RCC Forststr 28 D-90574 Rosstal ++49-9127-951340 fx 951341 rcc.electronic(a)t-online.de Dear Frank Arnold you have some TIL308 available? Can you sell us up to 20 pcs? Please send an offer Best regards Wolf

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SMD disk drive

by jim＠smithy.com

I'm looking for an 8" SMD disk drive. The only ones I've seen were made by NEC - and I can't seem to find any. What other companies made these kind of drives? Any suggestions on where I should look or what (other) kinds of equipment these were used in? (besides Wang minicomputers) -- Jim Donoghue Smithy Co. (734) 913-6700

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hotrod Kaypro acquisition & problem

by jforbes2＠mindspring.com

> So that leaves the question: how to get a kaypro II disk image? > > I have a PC (P-166) lying around that I added a 5.25" drive to for the > purpose of reading some trs-80 disks. I'm not sure of the drive density > at the moment; that was a while back. What density drive should I use > in my PC? What software it recommended for making a bootable disk? > Short of bothering the tireless Don Maslin, are there any disk images > available online that could help me out? Should I scratch any plans to > recover the CP/M 2.2 image on the A drive and instead just attempt to Sounds like you need to bother the tireless Don Maslin....with whatever ROM info you have. Most likely, you won't end up with a normal Kaypro II disk image! From what I can make of the available info, you can use the Sydek program 22DISK to transfer files from Kaypro disks to MS-DOS files and vice-versa, but it won't work to make a bootable disk. It requires the use of a 360k disk drive for best results--as 1.2M drives have different size heads and record at different levels. I've had good luck using a 386 PC with a 360k drive and wfwg 3.11 to read and write Kaypro floppies and talk over my lan to get files to/from the internet. One of the roughly ten Kaypros I've owned had the fan mod; a couple had OEM fans, but none have had the Advent rom; nor have any had hard drives added (the K10 I have now has a working hard drive, although the original files are long gone...and it takes some creative "laying on of hands" to get the drive spinning after it's been sitting awhile) Sounds like a fun machine! -- Jim Visit the Selectric Typewriter Museum! http://www.mindspring.com/~jforbes2

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MINC-11

by ctbatchelder＠conveytechnology.com

Do you know where I could find technical documentation for the MINC-11 or MINC-23? Cynthia Batchelder ctbatchelder(a)conveytechology.com

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by john.e.buckner＠lmco.com

Hey Bill We hope this message finds you well. It's been almost three years now since we last 'spoke'. Randy Hill managed to get through three more tax seasons thanks in part (mostly) to your help. When we last talked, you had some stuff hanging over your head and we wanted to give you the space you seemed to need. With your notes and the assistance of another technician, we were successful in cobbling together a few more disk drives. Apparently Randy finds himself now with a single 8" drive. He had, at one time, mailed you three of his 'original' drives. Randy would appreciate some status on those three drives. We look forward to hearing back from you Thanks John Buckner PS Saw you and your son in a UMD press clipping. Kids can be a real Joy. Bill Sudbrink, 38, and his 9-year old son Ben had front row seats last night. The Sudbrinks also attended the three previous Physics is Phun events this year. "I'm a computer science major from the class of '88," Bill Sudbrink said. "I came here and I just thought I'd bring my son."

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by cb＠mythtech.net

>Was the pun intended? The term is "moot point" -- to be "mute" is to be >unable to speak/make sounds, Spelling error on my part, but it did make for an interesting pun. >Define "Normal" -- If you can't define "normal" to us, and can accept or >dismiss anything any way you like, then we cannot give you a logical answer >to your original question and the entire discussion up to this point is >moot. I can't define Normal. I'm intested in hearing all opinions of what is the oldest comptuer still in "normal" use. From there I'll make my own personal decision of which I feel provides the best answer. That doesn't mean anyone else has to consider my choice to be valid. >So, does that leave the gubbermint out? I'd accept the government, and actually I rather expected the answer to be some government system. >My SWAG's would be that your best bets are: a) the gubbermint, and b) older >CNC/punch/cutting machines That was the other place I figured the best answer might turn up. Some kind of factory automated system that still uses its orginal systems simply because its working so has no reason to be replaced. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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by mranalog＠attbi.com

> >If somebody fires up an old 50's analog computer in a museum just to see if > >it still kicks is it really "in use"? > > No, because my ORIGINAL question was, what is the oldest computer still > in normal use. So for MY question, that is, the answer I am looking > for.... I will only consider a computer that was put into service when it > was reasonably new, and is still functioning today. I will also accept an > old computer that was put back into service either as a replacement for > one the died, or because it was needed to do a job, and it was the best > option for the job. Well to fit such restrictive criteria it would have to be: Digital computer - abacus - 4000 years without a service pack or patch to the OS. Analog computer - Stonehenge - It has lost most of its functionality but it is still in use. ========================================= Doug Coward @ home in Poulsbo, WA Analog Computer Online Museum and History Center http://dcoward.best.vwh.net/analog =========================================

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StorageWorks question

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On May 10, 19:20, Zane H. Healy wrote: > >I have a StorageWorks unit that's surplus to requirements. It's a > >floor-standing box, complete with the doors and keys, 2 PSUs, and some > >"innards". Can anyone tell me if all thse bits belong in the same > >unit? > > > >2 x SWXBP power supply > > Unless the HSD10 is pulling a LOT of power, you should be able > to get by using just one of these, while having two gives you > redundant power, I prefer to have the slot open for another device. I'm fairly sure it was set up that way to have redundant power (from two different sources). > >1 x HSD10-AA DSSI-SCSI controller (what does this do, exactly?) > > As mentioned, it lets you use SCSI devices on a MicroVAX with DSSI. It has three connectors on the front; two 50-pin high-density D-connectors (like SCSI-2 conectors) and an RJ11. I assume those 50-way connectors are DSSI, and the RJ11 is for a terminal? > >1 x 70-32155-01 8-bit interface (SCSI? or what?) > > Does this plug into the end opposite the powersupplies? It > sounds like you've got a BA356 shelf. If so, I'm envious, > I've only got BA350's, the BA356 supports both 8-bit and > 16-bit interface modules. Oh, yes, if we're talking about > the same thing, it's SCSI. It's a High Density 50-pin > connector, right? Yes, it is. Two of them, in fact. The module is in the top, inserted >from the front, same as everything else. Ah, I guess you're thinking in terms of a horizontal rack-mounted unit (the other one that the VAXes had was mounted like that); this unit has the extra pieces for floor mounting and (AFAIK) doesn't have the brackets for rack mounting. Does it make sense to have both the 70-32155-01 SCSI interface and the HSD10-AA DSSI/SCSI unit in the same shelf? > >1 x RZ29B 4.3GB fast wide disk > > RZ29B-VW? RZ29B-VA, it says on the outside. > >1 x TLZ06 DDS tape drive > > You have an SBB, with a TLZ06 in it? Now I'm even greener with > envy! I've only got disks. Plus, I don't have any of the nice > enclosed models with doors. > > >I should have mentioned it's a BA35X-MD box. > > These are actually the fans on the back of the shelf. The > good news is they're the good dual-speed ones that support > the 7200RPM drives. Ok, so I shouldn't just dump it, then ;-) To be honest, though, I don't think I want to keep it. I have two MicroVAXes, a uVAX-II in a BA23, and a uVAX 3100 (DV-31AT1-A, on the label on the back). Both have internal drives. I'm not likely to use either for anything serious, and I need the space the StorageWorks unit is occupying. > >It came wih a MicroVAX some time ago, but I've never used it. Anybody > >want it, for a suitably low price? > > You might just want to keep it... I really like using StorageWorks on my VMS systems. I've got a BA350 attached to the PWS 433au I use as a server via a Narrow SCSI card. > > If you want, I should be able to dig up all the manuals on this, as I think I've got PDF's of them. I'll have another look round, where it came from. They may still be there. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Oldest computer still in current use

by bqt＠update.uu.se

On Sun, 11 May 2003 "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh(a)aracnet.com> wrote: > >Even better, how about the Digital PDP-11. > > Doesn't someone have a PDP-8/e hooked up to the Internet in such a manner that visitors to his site can run stuff on it? crap-1.update.uu.se is a PDP-8/I. It's unfortunately offline for now... > > > >1: What is the oldest computer or comptuer system still in normal > > > >operational use > > Define what you mean by "Oldest Computer or Computer System". That can > figure heavily into the correct answer. After all, systems that you > might not consider still under production, such as the PDP-10 or PDP-11 > are to at least a certain extent (and I don't mean emulation). Also, if > emulation counts, that might skew the answer as well. Remember > emulation has been used for production systems for a *LONG* time. PDP-11 is still in production. I know a few companies that make and sell new PDP-11 systems. > There are still PDP-8's, PDP-10's and PDP-11's in daily use. I'm sure > there are at least a couple older ones out there. Just look for > industrial and scientific applications. True. > > > >2: What is the oldest that is connected to the internet > > Well, various platforms that were connected to Arpanet are still being used. > > > > >3: What is the oldest connected to the internet AND hosting web pages > >> >that can be visited (I know of an Atari that is acting as a web server, > >> >don't remember the URL, but it shouldn't be tough to find... didn't know > >> >if there was something older) > > I'm aware of systems running TOPS-20 and RT-11 serving web pages. Me too, such as shop-pdp.kent.edu... Oh, and anyone who thinks anything with a microprocessor in it has a chance in this competition can walk out the door now. Johnny Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: bqt(a)update.uu.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol

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by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On May 11, 11:09, Barry Skidmore wrote: > I think the answer is yes to both questions if it is running Unix (BSD), > but no if it is running RT-11. Then go and look up "fuzzball" :-) (hint: try http://wombat.doc.ic.ac.uk/foldoc/ ) -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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ISA hardcard 40 available

by anheier＠owt.com

The buyer never came through and I still have a Plus Hardcard40 ISA card available. $5 plus shipping. Thanks Norm

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11/21 plus, falcon, m7676

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On May 10, 23:46, Antonio Carlini wrote: > > anybody out here has a manual for the falcon, 11/21 PLUS > > board ? (real names: EK-SBC02-UG & EK-SBC02-CG ) > > There's a manual that looks close here: > http://www.spies.com/~aek/pdf/dec/pdp11/ > (look for the KXT11-UG). It probably won't help as the Falcon and Falcon PLUS are very different boards. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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IBM Punch Card cabinets

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On May 10, 19:00, Zane H. Healy wrote: > Strange question, how deep are the drawers in punch card cabinets, > the tops are pretty much flush with the card aren't they? I'm > assuming I couldn't be lucky enough for them to be another 0.25-1 > inch deeper. Yes, they're not much bigger than they need to be, but maybe deep enough for your purpose. I have drawers from two cabinets, both measure internal: 16 1/4" x 7 5/8" x 3 11/16" external: 17 5/8" x 7 11/16" x 3 3/4" There's a vertical flange sticking up at one or sometimes both ends, to stop the drawer being accidentally slid right out. Iincluding that, the overall external height is 4 1/16", but the aperture in the cabinet will be just over 3 3/4". -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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[Cascade-SC] Organizing Stereoptigraph cards

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

>I'm not 100% sure of this, but I think that stereo cards are pretty much >the same size as IBM punch cards. If this is correct, I'll bet there are >hundreds (maybe thousands) of IBM punch card cabinets, of varying sizes, >for varying numbers of cards, that could be had, at who knows what price. > > Obie Try not to be to scared.... :^) I actually have a card punch and reader, so grabbing a ruler, they're 7 3/8's x 3 1/4 inches. Unfortunately while I've got a punch, reader, and a few blank cards, I don't have any cabinets. The person I got the reader from wasn't about to give up his cabinets (or blank cards). This might be an excellent idea. Unfortunately as I recall the drawers are flush with the cards. I've just posted a question to a mailing list where there are people that should know the exact dimensions of the drawers. Zane -- -- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh(a)aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ |

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IBM Punch Card cabinets

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

Strange question, how deep are the drawers in punch card cabinets, the tops are pretty much flush with the card aren't they? I'm assuming I couldn't be lucky enough for them to be another 0.25-1 inch deeper. Zane -- -- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh(a)aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ |

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cctalk digest, Vol 1 #591 - 34 msgs

by cmurray＠eagle.ca

Hi Sellam, I quite agree. A pioneer in the microcomputer world who was a hardware designer establishing standards the industry thrived on into the 80s. Murray-- > > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 11:12:40 -0700 (PDT) > From: Vintage Computer Festival <vcf(a)siconic.com> > To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> > Subject: Re: George Morrow died Wed May 7th 2003 > Reply-To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > > On Fri, 9 May 2003, Thomas Dzubin wrote: > > > Some sad news... > > > > http://www.businessweek.com/technology/cnet/stories/1000732.htm > > and > > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=9415 > > > > Quote: > > "Morrow, who was 69, was a member of the Homebrew Computer Club, many > > of the members of which became instrumental in pushing the concept > > of the personal computer. > > > > He formed a firm called Microstuf and was responsible for the design > > of the S100 bus." > > This totally sucks and is indeed sad news. > > -- > > Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org > > * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *

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StorageWorks question

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On May 10, 20:00, Peter Turnbull wrote: > I have a StorageWorks unit that's surplus to requirements. It's a > floor-standing box, complete with the doors and keys, 2 PSUs, and some > "innards". I should have mentioned it's a BA35X-MD box. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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StorageWorks question

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On May 10, 12:15, Jochen Kunz wrote: > > [ plain text > Encoded with "quoted-printable" ] : On 2003.05.10 12:00 Peter Turnbull wrote: > > > 1 x HSD10-AA DSSI-SCSI controller (what does this do, exactly?) > Sounds like a very nifty device that can turn a (bunch of) SCSI disk(s) > into a (bunch of) DSSI disk(s). I.e. you connect a SCSI disk on one > side and it presents a DSSI disk on a DSSI bus on the other side to a > VAX. As DSSI disks are rare, especially with high capacity, this thing > may be of some value. Oh. Maybe I should investigate that. Thanks, Jochen. Anyone else know any more about how it works (connections, etc)? Anyone desperately need one? -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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11/21 plus, falcon, m7676

by emu＠ecubics.com

Hi all, anybody out here has a manual for the falcon, 11/21 PLUS board ? (real names: EK-SBC02-UG & EK-SBC02-CG ) cheers & thanks

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Japanese 100V units on USA 110-120V

by spectre＠floodgap.com

A recent dream come true (no, nothing to do with the opposite sex). I am, or will shortly be, the proud owner of a Tomy Pyuuta, the original Japanese release that evolved into the American Tomy Tutor. It's traveling on the high seas from Hokkaido, Japan as we speak. Anyone out there have experience with how Japanese computers of that era (early 1980s) tolerate United States mains voltage, since Japanese voltage is lower (100V)? Any recommendations, cautions, or concerns? At least it's NTSC! -- ----------------------------- personal page: http://www.armory.com/~spectre/ -- Cameron Kaiser, Point Loma Nazarene University * ckaiser(a)stockholm.ptloma.edu -- if (you.canRead(this)) you.canGet(new job(!problem)); -- Seen at JavaOne ---

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