- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by zmerch＠30below.com

Just picked up something I've been looking for for quite a while off of ePay - a Zenith Minisport ZL-2 (AFAIK, it's a ZL-1 w/2Meg RAM) laptop computer. Actually, the computer wasn't the important part -- the important part was the 5 boxes of floppy disks (3 yet unopened) - those suckers are harder than hen's teeth to find nowadays... 3 batteries, power supply, black naugahyde case (dunno how many nauga's had to die to make it... ;-) & the aforementioned disks... $50-few USD shipped. Good news: 1) lotsa disks now... I already have a bare 2" drive that I've always wanted to build into one of my CoCo3's - thereby making it unique. I got the drive on ePay about 4-5 years ago, but it only had one disk. Without more storage, that was kinda pointless, IMHO.. 2) It boots! Bad news: There's a password on it, so it doesn't boot very far... :-( Any utils or 'cmos clearing' keypresses or jumpers I can use to clear that out? Thanks, and laterz, Roger "Merch" Merchberger -- Roger "Merch" Merchberger -- sysadmin, Iceberg Computers zmerch(a)30below.com What do you do when Life gives you lemons, and you don't *like* lemonade?????????????

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want to buy Leading Edge PC

by gravesricharde＠yahoo.com

Want Leading Edge PC, IBM PC/XT clone from the 1980's. Need one with a rocker switch on the front. Dead or alive (dead is no problem). Thanks, Rick Graves gravesricharde(a)yahoo.com

23 years

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AS/400 1991 9404 available in New Jersey

by billdeg＠degnanco.com

Historical Note about AS/400...I worked at IBM when the original AS/400 was first launched. The AS/400 was called "Project Overloard" before launching - it was my job (as an intern) to tape up windows of the conference room containing the AS/400 prototype with black paper so the press could not see in. That was 1987 spring. I helped set up the unit with monitor, boot the unit, and load OS, etc for meetings. To me the as/400 seemed to me like an old fashioned computer. I was more interested in the PS/2's and Windows 2.0. Speaking of which, does anyone have the old IBM Windows Collegiate Kit disks? I have an old model 25 that originally came with this as the OS. Techinically this is Windows 1.5 (?) bd

23 years

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110309-Line Printer Plot

by skidmore＠worldvenue.org

The following file seems to have disappeared from the RT-11 archives and >from the RT-11 freeware CD. even though the abstract is still listed. Unfortunately, it is exactly the program I am looking for. Does anyone have any hint as to its whereabouts? I am using Fortran IV on RT-11 5.0.3 and have only a VT320 and LA75 for output. Thanks, Barry Submitted by: William C. Nowlin, Applied Research Laboratories, Austin, TX Operating System: RT-11 Source Language: FORTRAN Hardware Required: Terminal or line printer Keywords: Plotting Abstract: This FORTRAN Subroutine accepts from one to nine real arrays and plots them on an 80 column wide line printer or terminal. Media (Service Charge Code): Source Listing (BA) -- Barry Skidmore <skidmore(a)worldvenue.org>

23 years

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UP200

by hdwach＠lsol.net

I am in need of software for the UP200. Could I also get a copy?

23 years

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AW: (Ping!) Paging Jim Willing.

by hans.franke＠siemens.com

> > Anyone know where Jim is? I need to get in contact with him ASAP. > It's been nearly a month since he last responded to an email of mine. > It's been several months since I sent him money. . . I'm now starting > to get worried. No need to worrs, I visited him two weeks ago. Well, I almost passed the thing he calls 'city' if they hadn't a stop sign right at the crossing of the only two roads, I I had to slow down for a pickup... Anyway, he's prety hard working at the moment to get his home setup and the business back to a working condition. He is prety much determinated to finish his part of the deals. Belive me, I tried to talk him out of some of the things he hadn't send out by then, and nothing worked... Gruss H.

23 years

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New hard drive for classiccmp

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

I finally got a good deal on a new hard drive for the machine which hosts classiccmp.org (this mail list) and other classic computer related sites. The new hard drive is 160gb, and cost 99 bucks plus tax... $110.00 total. So, if anyone cares to donate to help defray the cost of the machine for classiccmp, I'd appreciate it. You can mail donations to me, or paypal jwest(a)classiccmp.org I don't want to get more money than the drive & memory costs, so if donations cover it I'll tell the list right away so no more donations come in. Also, I need to get some more memory for the machine too - it's swapping sometimes. However, I need to get down to the datacenter and pop the hood to verify how many slots it has, how many are currently full, etc. I am sure it takes PC100 or PC133 memory though. My guess is I'll be looking to buy two 512mb panels, or just one, not sure till I see the slots. Fortunately, memory is cheap these days of that type anyways. I'll let the list know memory cost when I find it out. Why the extra space? Well, I have a LOT of stuff to put online that hasn't made it to the ftp side of classiccmp.org yet. Plus, I'm housing decvax.org and pdp11.org, plus I just acquired the hp2000.org domain and plan on putting a lot of stuff there. Regards, Jay West

23 years

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OT: Computer Hardware that must go... (cctalk)

by dwoyciesjes＠comcast.net

Well, I've been talking about it, and now I finally hove gotten together a basic list of computer hardware and parts that I'm clearing out of my basement... includes some older laser printers, 68k & PPC Macintosh computers, couple Sun SparcStations, Pentium computers, couple Cabletron 10baseT hubs, pair of Digital DELNIs, DECRepeater 350, and other random bits... Check them out at: http://mywebpages.comcast.net/dwoyciesjes/hardware.htm ...and... http://mywebpages.comcast.net/dwoyciesjes/peecees.htm PayPal, Money Order, Cash (if you come and pick it up), or trade. As you can guess, you picking it up is preferred (but not required) considering the amount of stuff I'm clearing out. Otherwise, I'll ship FedEx Ground. I'll give everyone 3 weeks to get thier offers in. This is the stuff I'm looking in trade: http://mywebpages.comcast.net/dwoyciesjes/wanted.html -- --- Dave Woyciesjes --- ICQ# 905818

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Dec Rainbow - Complete

by lingenjj＠earthlink.net

As an old programmer years ago, I purchased a Rainbow to continue my programming work at home. I have a Rainbow complete with keyboard, monitor, documentation and I believe Fortran and C compilers and Peachtree. Any ideas as to whether someone would be interested in a classic? Any old computer museums?

23 years

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Removing Grease Pencil Marks On Books -Blu-Tak

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Aug 12, 20:27, Ladyelec(a)aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 8/12/03 12:08:53 PM Central Daylight Time, > cctalk-request(a)classiccmp.org writes: > > > > Push a blob of Blu-Tak onto the mark, pull it > > off; repeat until bored. I > > I have been looking for some Blu-Tak, where do you get it? > Thx ahead of time, Any stationer or some supermarkets (in the stationery section) in the UK :-) Last time, I got it in either Office World or Ryman's. Outside the UK, I don't know -- but it's made by Bostik if that's any help. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Free: Two Cipher 9-Track 1/2-inch Mag Tape Drives - Last Chance

by djenner＠earthlink.net

Last chance: I need to get these out of the way soon. They'll be recycled if I don't get a response within a couple days. I have two Cipher 9-Track 1/2-inch Magnetic Tape Drives that I would like to pass on to someone who might use them. One is fully operational, the other has a power supply problem. You could use these for parts, too. These drives are free if you pick them up in north Seattle, or I'll deliver locally or regionally for a negotiable small fee, depending on the distance. Cipher 9-track Tape Drive Model F880 640-90-1025U ------------------------------------------------- Pertec interface 1600 BPI only 25/100 inches per second tape speed Auto loading and threading Built-in diagnostics Handles 7", 8.5", and 10.5" tape reels 8.75" high, 19.0" wide, 24.5" deep 85 pounds Does not include power cord Does not include cables to connect to computer See http://www.jenner.net/Items/Cipher_F880/index.htm for pictures of this model of tape drive. The illustrated hard copy of the manual is not included with this drive. This drive has a power transistor problem. The manual for this drive is, or soon should be, available online, and contains all the information for someone adept at electronics to fix and maintain the drive. Alternatively, a hardcopy of this manual is available for $25. Cipher 9-track Tape Drive Model M891 340-96-1050U ------------------------------------------------- Pertec interface 1600/3200 BPI 25/100 inches per second tape speed Auto loading and threading Built-in diagnostics Handles 7", 8.5", and 10.5" tape reels 8.75" high, 19.0" wide, 24.5" deep 85 pounds Includes rack-mount slides Does not include power cord Does not include cables to connect to computer See the preceding link to the pictures for the F880 drive for illustration of the type of drive. The M891 differs little physically from the F880. This drive is fully operational and passes internal diagnostics. It also reads and writes tapes under computer control. The manual for the F880 is close to supporting this drive, and you can use the F880 directions for most maintenance tasks. Also, there is an eBay auction for the M891 manual at the moment. See http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2550715005 Send me an email if you are interested. Dave -- David C. Jenner djenner(a)earthlink.net

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Removing Grease Pencil Marks On Books -Blu-Tak

by Ladyelec＠aol.com

In a message dated 8/12/03 12:08:53 PM Central Daylight Time, cctalk-request(a)classiccmp.org writes: > Push a blob of Blu-Tak onto the mark, pull it > off; repeat until bored. I I have been looking for some Blu-Tak, where do you get it? Thx ahead of time, On digest, Isa

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Removing Grease Pencil Marks On Books

by Ladyelec＠aol.com

> Subject: Re: Removing Grease Pencil Marks On Books > Try using a DRY soft cloth--towel or old fashioned diaper and rub, rub, rub in a circular motion. Sometimes Goo Gone will do it but do a test spot first. An artist gum eraser like the brand Magic Rub (I get mine at a craft store), is another good try on inside pages. Isa

23 years

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reading rsts 7.1 disks from OpenVMS

by cvendel＠att.net

I have several disk paks that are clearly marked RSTS 7.1 Image Data Backups. Openvms Exchange says that they are not DOS11 or RT11 or Files-11 format. So is there anyway way for OpenVMS to mount and read these disks, I've scoured the search engines and haven't come up with anything yet... Thanks, Curt

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Removing Grease Pencil Marks On Books

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

>From: "Vintage Computer Festival" <vcf(a)siconic.com> > >On Mon, 11 Aug 2003, Dwight K. Elvey wrote: > >> I'm not sure if this will work for grease pencils but >> you might give this a try. Get a can of brake-clean from >> the auto parts store. Place the page on a paper towel such >> that the marked side is against the towel. Spray some >> brake-clean, starting in a circular motion from outside of the >> mark to the center. Remove from the towel before it dries. >> Repeat with clean towel as needed. >> I'd advise checking on some material that is similar first. >> As I recall, I used this method on something like a sharpie >> mark once. Use out side. Brake-clean will give you a real >> bad hangover. It is mostly solvents and dry cleaning fluid. > >I assume this evaporates to some considerable degree and does not leave >any marks or residue on the paper? Hi Sellam It is intended to leave no residue but if there are dyes in the paper that it dissolves, it may leave rings. You need to experiment a little. It will also dissolve some plastics as well so always check first. It is used to remove oils and old brake fluid from brake parts in cars. I often use it to degrease parts that need to be extra clean, such as when cleaning surfaces to epoxy. Dwight > >-- > >Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org > > * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *

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Looking for PDP-11/44XA rack advice

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Aug 11, 21:28, John Lawson wrote: > Hi Jay. I have done this two ways - > > One is to just drill four 1/4" holes thru convenient adjacent hardware > and bolt the cabs together. That's basically what DEC did. I'm not sure if my cabinets are the same type as Jay's; they're original DEC, black frames with grey side panels and melamine (on steel) grey tops. Dimensions are 49_1/2" high, 20_1/2" wide, 28_1/4" deep. The side panels are grey sheet steel with stiffeners on the inside (and surprisingly heavy); at the bottom, they hook over the horizontal side member of the rack, and at the top they have two steel "buttons" which engage teardrop-shaped holes in the top horizontal side member. The joining kit consists of 4 (or maybe 6, but I only have 4) bolts with nuts and star washers, and a couple of black-painted alloy extrusions which fill the small gap between the racks. The spacers aren't essential, but you might want to put 1/8" worth of washers in their place if you don't have them. On the top horizontal side member, at front and back, are two holes, 2_1/2" and 3_1/4" down from the top of the cabinet. A bolt passes through the lower of these at front and back, through the spacers, through the corresponding hole in the other rack, and is secured with star washer and nut. Ditto on the bottom horizontal side member, except the holes are about 1/2" and 2_1/2" down from the top of the side member, and it doesn't matter which hole you use, as the spacer has two matching holes. This is an attempt at an ASCII art diagram of the cross-section of the extrusion: _______ |___ ___| front, 3/8" wide | | | | | | | | distance between front | | and centre "wings" is 1_1/4" | | ____| |____ |_____ _____| centre, 1" wide | | | | | | distance from centre "wings" | | to back edge is 7/8" |_| All sections 1/8" thick And this is a diagram of the side view of the front extrusion, showing the positions of the three holes: |\ ||\ ___|| \ | o|| || | || || | || || | || || | || || | || || | || || | || || | || || | || || | o|| || |_o||_|| The back extrusion is just the same, except without the cutout or bevel at the top. Does this help? -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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PDP11/24 rev E (M7133-ya) switch settings

by hofmanwb＠worldonline.nl

Hi all, Can anybody give me the settings for an M7133-YA. I had to change from an M7133 and there are a lot more switches on the board. Any help will be appreciated!! Wim

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Removing Grease Pencil Marks On Books

by dwightk.elvey＠AMD.com

>From: "Vintage Computer Festival" <vcf(a)siconic.com> > >On Tue, 12 Aug 2003, Kevin Handy wrote: > >> > It is intended to leave no residue but if there are dyes >> >in the paper that it dissolves, it may leave rings. You need >> > >> Or if your paper is yellowed (aged), it may also make the rings. > >That was my next question :) Hi I'm not sure if the yellowing of pages would make any difference. You'll have to dig out some old paperback SiFi book to give it a try. Dwight

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Updates in general...

by jimw＠agora.rdrop.com

Before everyone thinks I've fallen off the edge of the world (tempting tho it is some days) a brief status. I'm behind on everything (short and to the point). I ended up having to move on a house deal a few weeks ago unexpectedly. It was that, or lose the house and probably be unable to reopen the bowling center for a month or more. And seeing as that is my major source of income... But doing this took all the money I had on hand. So I'm in day to day scrounge mode until the end of this week when I finally reopen. Then I can start catching up on shipping, updates, etc... In general, the 'Garage' sale is on hold until I get shipping caught up. Kinda like cutting off the leg to spite the face, but... Hell, by the end of the year I may even have a life again... Of course then there are added little amusements like the 'rocket scientists' at Register.Com who are unable to process a domain renewal in less than "6 to 8 weeks" (their words) unless paid thru the blessed 'credit card'. So the web site and email for the center have been killed... Even a USPS Money Order does not count for anything anymore! Is it just me, or does it seem that the more 'hi-tech' that things become, the stupider the people behind them seem to get??? Surviving... (barely) -jim --- jimw(a)agora.rdrop.com The Computer Garage - http://www.rdrop.com/~jimw

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(Ping!) Paging Jim Willing.

by classiccmp＠vintage-computer.com

> Anyone know where Jim is? I need to get in contact with him ASAP. > -- > David Vohs It's been nearly a month since he last responded to an email of mine. It's been several months since I sent him money. . . I'm now starting to get worried. Erik Klein www.vintage-computer.com/vcforum The Vintage Computer Forum

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(Ping!) Paging Jim Willing.

by netsurfer_x1＠fastmailbox.net

Anyone know where Jim is? I need to get in contact with him ASAP. -- David Vohs netsurfer_x1(a)fastmailbox.net -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Email service worth paying for. Try it for free

23 years

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Unusual DEC card reader...

by mross666＠hotmail.com

I've just aquired a DEC card reader; it will be some time before it shows up here, so I thought I'd ask if anyone recognises it and can provide a model number. Pic on this page: http://www.corestore.org/1155.htm Cheers Mike http://www.corestore.org _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

23 years

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SIG/M, PCBlue libraries?

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

Tim's Amstrad site <http://www.ncus.org.uk/fnov00.htm> has a link to a SIG/M library but it doesn't seem to work. Joe At 04:00 PM 8/11/03 -0700, you wrote: >If you can get the data off the disks, I'd be happy to stuff it up on the >retroarchive site. > >g. > > >On Mon, 11 Aug 2003, Dave Mitton wrote: > >> I have a large box full of 8" and 5.25" diskettes of SIG/M (~80 disks) and >> PCBlue (~80+ disks) software. It's not the full set, but it's a large chunk. >> >> I've seen people say that this stuff has been archived online somewhere >> already, but I have trouble finding current working URLs. >> >> In any case, is there someone interested getting something useful from this >> box? >> (other than media) >> >> Dave.

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New To List with NEC Multispeed HD Questions

by robert_little_2000＠yahoo.com

Howdy All, I just joined the list and am the owner of a small (though my wife would dispute that) collection of computers. I collect both PC's and Macintoshes, and thoroughly enjoy all. One thing I seem to be getting a lot of lately are laptops. At last count, I have 9 of them, ranging from my beloved (and frequently used) Tandy Model 102 to my Toshiba Satellite 133. One of my latest acquisitions, though, I would like to get running urgently. My computers actually have to work, and do so all of the time! I acquired an NEC Multispeed HD. The main battery in it is gone (like to rebuild one, obviously), but the machine does run (incidently, the option for removing the LCD screen? That's great!). The problem is, I get a 1701 error on HD startup, and the ROM based programs can't be found. I think I may need to run a setup program, but it can't be accessed either. Does anyone out there know what might be the problem? Or, more to the point, does anyone have the files needed to get this gem running? Thanks, Robert PS -I also acquired, in the same batch, a Toshiba T1200XE with a dead backlight. Any idea where I might be able to find parts? RL

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Removing Grease Pencil Marks On Books

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Aug 11, 21:29, Vintage Computer Festival wrote: > On Tue, 12 Aug 2003, Peter Turnbull wrote: > > > Since it's essentially coloured wax, I wonder if the technique used to > > remove wax (candle wax, usually) from clothing might work? It's > > basically a case of ironing a sheet of brown (wrapping) paper over the > > wax. Paper-on-paper probably won't work as well as paper-on-cloth, so > > I'd try it on something unimportant first! > > Hmm, good suggestion. Might wax paper also work? I don't think so, as it's already got a lot of wax on/in it. The effect is to melt the wax with the iron and use the paper to wick it out. Writing paper might be a reasonable substitute, or the kind of tissue paper used for wrapping. If you want to try a solvent approach, eiher turpentine substitute or "white spirit" (oil paint thinner, somewhat like light, white kerosene) might work. Apply with a small artist's brush, and dab off with kitchen roll. Another possible method might be to use a scalpel with a pointed blade (10A or 11) to gently scape away the wax. This is the same as the method used to retouch photographic negatives and B/W prints, something I used to do in a former career -- and was pretty good at. It takes a lot of patience, though; you must only scrape a tiny amount at a time (this method works for Indian ink as well). It doesn't work very well for endorsing ink, as that gets right into the fabric of the paper. Yet another trick for cleaning up marks and grubbiness on books (pencil marks, fingerprints, dirt) is to use a soft putty rubber (from an art supplier) or Blu-Tak. Push a blob of Blu-Tak onto the mark, pull it off; repeat until bored. I've often used that technique, once to clean a set of very valuable exhibition photographs that had acquired dusty fingerprints. Please note, these are only suggestions -- I've not tried any of these on wax pencil! -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Removing Grease Pencil Marks On Books

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

Hi I'm not sure if this will work for grease pencils but you might give this a try. Get a can of brake-clean from the auto parts store. Place the page on a paper towel such that the marked side is against the towel. Spray some brake-clean, starting in a circular motion from outside of the mark to the center. Remove from the towel before it dries. Repeat with clean towel as needed. I'd advise checking on some material that is similar first. As I recall, I used this method on something like a sharpie mark once. Use out side. Brake-clean will give you a real bad hangover. It is mostly solvents and dry cleaning fluid. Dwight >From: "Kevin Handy" <kth(a)srv.net> > >Vintage Computer Festival wrote: > >>On Sun, 10 Aug 2003, M Jones wrote: >> >> >> >>>I have been looking for a solution to the problem of removing grease >>>pencil marks on books. I noticed that some time back, someone posted >>>this question. I do not know if an answer was ever given. I have the >>>same question. I have several books that have been priced with a black >>>grease pencil (on the front cover as well as inside the opening pages). >>>Does anyone know how this can be removed without causing damage to the >>>book? >>> >>> >> >>I hate these stupid thrift stores that do that. Retards. >> >>Anyway, I never figured out a good way, short of using lots of eraser >>heads. It usually leaves a big blotch, but sometimes I can effectively >>erase the grease pencil. >> >>I know of no other way currently. >> >> >> >To remove regular pencil marks, you want as a minimum a soft eraser, >like the Staedtler 52825 or the Pentel ZER2BP-K6. These are >about 4 inches long and usually bought with a holder. They don't >tear up the paper like those used on most pencils, and last a considerable >bit longer. > >It depends on how hard it was written, and on the paper, >but going over it lightly usually greatly reduces the darkness, >or may entirely remove it. > >Using chemicals would probably cause as noticable a mark >as the pencil marks make (especially if the pages are yellowed).

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DECSystem & VAXen Catalogs up for bid on E-pay...

by kyrrin＠bluefeathertech.com

For those still collecting DEC systems documentation, this may be of interest. I've just put up for bid a group of nine 'Systems and Options' catalogs, covering VAXen and DECSystems, on E-pay at this link: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2747346505 Thanks for putting up with my occasional ads. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Owner & Head Hardware Heavy, Blue Feather Technologies -- http://www.bluefeathertech.com ARS KC7GR (Formerly WD6EOS) since 12-77 -- kyrrin(a)bluefeathertech.com "Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati" (Red Green, aka Steve Smith)

23 years

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Looking for PDP-11/44XA rack advice

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

I think I mentioned this on the list before, but I can't find the emails about it - I think the responses I was trying to dig up were sent directly to me. So, I'll try again. I have a PDP-11/44XA, that's the one that is in a "lowboy" rack with a slot in the front door to slide your dectapes into the dual dectape drive. The side panels of this rack measure 39.5" high by 30.0" deep. I would like very much to make a dual bay rack out of this - where the two bays are directly attached. I have recently obtained another rack that is exactly the same height & depth, but it has no side panels. So, I was thinking about taking one of the side panels off the existing 11/44XA rack, putting this new rack next to it, and putting the side panel on the outside of the new rack - voila - dual bay rack. However, here's the problem - I see no way to easily bolt the two non-sidepanel sides of the two racks together. How was this normally done? Was there some special piece that slid inbetween the two racks to tie them together? Without this will I run into problems with mounted peripherals in each side clearing eachother? Dare I ask that someone has the mating hardware spare to mate the two racks? Thanks a million! Jay West

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Removing Grease Pencil Marks On Books

by harp＠exis.net

Dear All, I have been looking for a solution to the problem of removing grease pencil marks on books. I noticed that some time back, someone posted this question. I do not know if an answer was ever given. I have the same question. I have several books that have been priced with a black grease pencil (on the front cover as well as inside the opening pages). Does anyone know how this can be removed without causing damage to the book? Many thanks, M Jones

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silent 700 paper

by jwstephens_2000＠yahoo.com

use fax machine paper for silent 700's

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SIG/M, PCBlue libraries?

by dave＠mitton.com

I have a large box full of 8" and 5.25" diskettes of SIG/M (~80 disks) and PCBlue (~80+ disks) software. It's not the full set, but it's a large chunk. I've seen people say that this stuff has been archived online somewhere already, but I have trouble finding current working URLs. In any case, is there someone interested getting something useful from this box? (other than media) Dave.

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Stuff for auction

by dave＠mitton.com

I'm working my way through cleaning out my basement, and getting rid of my micros used and collected over time. Not all of which is worth auctioning. Latter I will be digging into my old Integrand S-100 system (former CBBS-Boston) and left-over parts. I also have a ton of DEC processor handbooks. I have an LA36 that I will give to anyone willing to come and take it! Currently on eBay: Exidy Sorcerer w/S-100 Exp. Box and 8" FD http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2747173744 Processor Tech SOL ROM Personality Cards (3) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2747173802 Kilobaud Magazines 1977 - 10 issues http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3543974769 Kilobaud Magazines 1978 - 11 issues http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3543974785 Kilobaud Magazines 1979 - 4 issues http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3543974797 Dave.

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MicroVAX 3100 questions

by chrisc＠addpower.com

Thanks to all for your timely replies. :) Okay, if I've got to use 5.5 or 6.0 until I can find memory, that's what I'll have to do. :) Can anyone provide me with a media set that I can install with? I'm pretty sure my CDROM here will do 512-byte sectors... Thanks! Chris "Fred N. van Kempen" <waltje(a)pdp11.nl> Sent by: cctech-admin(a)classiccmp.org 08/10/2003 01:34 PM Please respond to cctech To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org, Christopher Cureau <chrisc(a)addpower.com> cc: Subject: Re: MicroVAX 3100 questions Chris, Late reply... was kinda busy. > I've become the new owner of a nice MicroVAX 3100, and I'm trying to learn > more about it. I had a few hardware-related questions, and I'm hoping that > someone here can give me some insight. Yay! The 3100, albeit a bit slowish, are nice boxes... they're a real VAX, they use SCSI for I/O (read: cheapo drives and stuff) and, as long as they're taken care of, virtually indestructible. I have about 30 of them :) > This is what I know about the system so far -- it's got three RZ26 drives > in it, although one appears to have died, since SHOW DEV only reports two > installed. If I were to replace the failed one, do I need to get my hands > on another Digital drive, or will any SCSI drive work with VMS? Also, I've > heard that some vaxes (or was it VMS, or both?) have limits on the size of > the drive it will work with...what would work best in this system? The 3100 will not be able to boot off drives larger than 4GB, because of how their ROMs address the sectors. Once booted, the OS takes over, and they have no real limits. So.. make sure the OS boot area "lives" below that size, and you're fine. Very old ROMs have a 1GB limit, but rather than going with those, just swap the ROMs :) Also, DEC drives are good, but any good SCSI drive will do. Many people, me included, use Seagate HAWK drives (2GB, 3.5", 1" low-power), which now come dirt-cheap. > My VAX came with VMS 5.5-2 installed, but I'd like to go ahead and get the > hobbyist license and move to 7.2. Will my little VAX handle it? It's got > 16 megs of memory and about 2 gigs of hard disk space (unless I can coax > that other RZ26 into working...) 16MB is pushing the limits for 7.x. I believe it *does* run, but it will be slow as hell, and probably slower than that :) Try to stick to 5.5 or 6.x, or find more memory. The machines has a 32MB limit, by the way. > Also, I don't have a CDROM, or a place to put it in the case. Again, if > I get an external SCSI case, does it or the CDROM I put in it need to be > specific to the VAX? External cases work find (it IS just regular SCSI...) but there's a catch. For reasons unknown to me, DEC decided to fit these machines with their own weird "external SCSI" connector. Meaning, you need a very special cable (BC36 I believe) converting from their connector to the regular Centronics-like connector. If you have or can get that, no problems. Otherwise, either mount the CDROM drive inside the chassis, or fix your own "external" cable using a soldering iron and some patience. The VAX is like most systems of its class: it requires a CDROM drive able to handle 512-byte sectors. That obviously includes the DEC drives, but also those from Sun, SGI, IBM and a truckload of modern drives (Toshiba, Plextor) and, for some reason, many CD-R and CD-RW drives. > Thanks in advance for your help! I'm really looking forward to putting > this machine back into service... Yeah! Cheers, Fred (just done with fixing up the old DEC laptop ;-)

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reading rsts 7.1 disks from OpenVMS

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

> Zane, > > At 2:20 PM -0700 8/11/03, Zane H. Healy wrote: > >> case 1) is better). I have the V7 Mayfield book (but haven't scanned it > >> for the 'net yet) and wrote a program on the Mac to read the V7 (RDS-0) > >> structure. So it _can_ be done. > > > >So, is this Mac program something that will build on a standard UNIX system? > > High probability. It was originally built as an MPW tool; MPW is very > Unix-like. I could probably clean it up a bit and verify that it actually > works correctly under a few flavors of Unix. [You mean someone else would > want to use this? :-) ] > > John OK, the way you wrote the initial statement I figured it might be pre OS-X code. I personally (at this time at least) don't have any need for such a program, but I can see where others might. Zane

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reading rsts 7.1 disks from OpenVMS

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

> >Openvms Exchange says that they are not DOS11 or RT11 or Files-11 format. > > > >So is there anyway way for OpenVMS to mount and read these disks, I've > >scoured the search engines and haven't come up with anything yet... > > I hope to be proven wrong, but... I'm not aware of any software to read > RSTS file systems of that vintage for the VAX. If there are they'd be DECUS utilities most likely. I'm not aware of any either. > Two ideas come to mind: > > 1) copy the packs, block for block (VMS can mount these "foreign", also > read-only, and then copy them), and move the image copy to a machine > running SIMH. Use the available RSTS 7.0 to restore the backups to an > appropriately simulated disk. This is probably a good idea regardless of > 2). Once you've got access to the disks under SIMH, you should be able to back the data up to virtual tapes, which you should be able to find tools to access (as long as you back the data up to the right tape format). > case 1) is better). I have the V7 Mayfield book (but haven't scanned it > for the 'net yet) and wrote a program on the Mac to read the V7 (RDS-0) > structure. So it _can_ be done. So, is this Mac program something that will build on a standard UNIX system? Zane

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Altair base CPU speed

by RCini＠congressfinancial.com

Perfect. Thanks. -----Original Message----- From: Kapteyn, Rob [mailto:kapteynr@cboe.com] Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 2:24 PM To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Subject: RE: Altair base CPU speed 2MHz -----Original Message----- From: Cini, Richard [mailto:RCini@congressfinancial.com] Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 9:28 AM To: CCTech (E-mail) Subject: Altair base CPU speed Hello, all: This might sound like a "you should know this" kind of question, but what was the default CPU speed for the Altair 8800/8800a/8800b models? Is it 1MHz or 2MHz? Rich

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Altair base CPU speed

by kapteynr＠cboe.com

2MHz -----Original Message----- From: Cini, Richard [mailto:RCini@congressfinancial.com] Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 9:28 AM To: CCTech (E-mail) Subject: Altair base CPU speed Hello, all: This might sound like a "you should know this" kind of question, but what was the default CPU speed for the Altair 8800/8800a/8800b models? Is it 1MHz or 2MHz? Rich

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AS/400 1991 9404 available in New Jersey

by vcf＠siconic.com

See below for details. Contact original sender. Reply-to: <wperry(a)fiduciary.com> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 12:06:33 -0400 From: W. E. Perry <wperry(a)fiduciary.com> To: donate(a)vintage.org Subject: AS/400 1991 9404 I have a 1991 vintage AS/400 9404, located in New Jersey, with original QIC120 distribution of system software through 1993 OS/400 v3 and *ALL* manuals. In storage since 1995, but working then. Would you want this machine or could you point me to someone who might? Thank you. Walter Perry -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *

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Altair base CPU speed

by danjr＠voyager.net

It was 2-MHz. Here is a site about the 8800 http://www.machine-room.org/computers/289/ Dan > Hello, all: > > This might sound like a "you should know this" kind of question, but > what was the default CPU speed for the Altair 8800/8800a/8800b models? Is it > 1MHz or 2MHz? > > Rich > > > _____________________________________________________ > This message scanned for viruses by CoreComm

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Help restoring early issues of Mark-8 Newsletter

by jack.rubin＠ameritech.net

At least the first 3 issues of the Mark-8 Newsletter were published by Hal Singer using a ditto machine. I have copies of these issues which range in quality from faded and smeared to _really_ faded and smeared. I would like to try to "restore" these items to readable form - anybody have any ideas? The worst pages are faded beyond simply photocopying and/or OCR - I'm wondering if there may be some way to chemically "lift" the images, UV light, etc. As near as I can tell, all the information in these issues was re-issued in the first three issues of the Micro-8 Newsletter (archived at Jim Kearney's site), so no actual info is at risk, but it would be nice to at least share .pdfs of the "real" issues. Any interest in .pdfs of the Micro-8 Newsletter? As Jim notes, the originals were none too easy to read, but I may try messing around with them if anyone cares. Jack Rubin Wilmette, Illinois USA

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Altair base CPU speed

by RCini＠congressfinancial.com

Hello, all: This might sound like a "you should know this" kind of question, but what was the default CPU speed for the Altair 8800/8800a/8800b models? Is it 1MHz or 2MHz? Rich

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What to do with power distribution boxes?

by gunther＠aurora.regenstrief.org

Hi folks, geez, I have to clean out my garage. I can't do anything with the computers anymore because I have no room to move. So, stuff must go. I had already given 3 StorageWorks cabinets to the recycler but had removed the power distribution boxes. Now I have a half dozen of those boxes with the HUGE power cables sitting around. Is there any use for those or should I just toss them too? I also have rackmount kits for StorageWorx boxes, lots of them. So, if you have those boxes and want them rack-mounted, let me know, else these things will go to the recycler too. thanks for your ideas, -Gunther

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power switches...

by Edward.Tillman＠valero.com

Does anyone know wehere I can locate a power switch for an AT power supply that has the 4 bayonettes pointed directly aft, opposite the switch, rather than coming out the casing at 90 degrees to the switch? I have a tight spot to fit the switch, and the original DEC proprietary switch was a soldered-on intrigal part of the power supply... Help? Cheers... Ed Tillman Store Automation Tech Support Specialist Valero Energy Corporation San Antonio, Texas, USA Office: (210)592-3110, Fax (210)592-2048 Email: edward.tillman(a)valero.com <mailto:edward.tillman@valero.com> [demime 1.01a removed an attachment of type image/bmp which had a name of Valero5.bmp]

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Compaticard IV Master Diskette

by djenner＠earthlink.net

I recently acquired a Compaticard IV without manual and drivers. I found a manual on the Web, but haven't been able to find the Compaticard IV "Master Diskette," which contains a driver (cc4drv.sys) and several utility programs to use with the card. Is there someone out there who has this diskette who is willing to make a copy of this diskette (either hardcopy or electronic)? Note that I'm not talking about the Uniform software package, but if it were available, I'd be interested in it, too! Thanks, Dave -- David C. Jenner djenner(a)earthlink.net

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Copy II PC option Board

by teoz＠neo.rr.com

Anybody know where to fin one of these hardware boards that allows a normal PC drive to be able to copy any disk from multiple platforms? I just seen one on ebay but it was bid up quite a bit. Would be very usefull copying all the protected early era games in my collection before the disk media goes bad (I think you can make images of the disks that can be duplictaed at a later date).

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RLV12/RL02 issue solved... thanks

by TRASH3＠splab.cas.neu.edu

Well, I never got to it yet, but I have some xylogics controllers for diablo/pertec 2.5Mb front loaders. It was the aftermarket equivalent to the RK05. Been meaning to try to get them running on RT-11 someday, as I have a couple of dozen packs to read. I have all the hardware, cables, drives, controllers, but just haven't tried to get them running. They have been sitting for over a dozen years, so I don't even know if the drives will start up. If nothing else shows up, let me know if you want to take a stab at it. Joe Heck

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new member - 8008 and S100 interests

by jack.rubin＠ameritech.net

Hi, I've been cleaning out the attic and unboxing a bunch of stuff I stored away in the mid-'80s. I've got seveal 8008 systems - Mark8, RGS008, SCELBI-8H, Mod8, MCS-8 - that I'd like to get running. I also have a lot of related docs, including newsletters and manuals that I will be happy to share as time permits. I also want to get a few S100 "systems" together - Imsai/ProcTech, Cromemco, TDL, Morrow and Godbout. I'm looking for a TDL SMB board, Cromemco Tuart and Godbout CPU-Z for starters. Maybe an H8 as well. I've been putting some stuff - mostly MITS - up on eBay to pay for parts and tools, but I'd be interested in hearing about needs/wants/trades if you have any of the above. Would also be interested in an S100 6809 card if one was ever made. Jack Rubin Wilmette, Illinois USA

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Pro_Log STD BUS manuals needed

by feldte＠cox.net

Did you ever get the manuals below? I have the following manuals: 7502 SPST Relay 7387 Floppy Disk 7304 Dual USART 7880 Z80 Processor 7507 General Purpose Interface 7803A Z80 Processor 7303 Keyboard/Display Let me know if you need them. I am looking for the following manuals: 7842 7508 Everett Feldt feldte(a)cox.net -----Original Message----- Hello, all: I bought a STDBUS instrumentation computer off of eBay last week for $9, and it has some interesting boards in it. Unfortunately, the boards are mostly older Pro-Log models and information is sparse. I've made contact with the "legacy" manufacturer who wants $50 per manual for two of the boards. I found information for two of them on VersaLogic's Web site. So, here's the list of boards. If any one has original Pro-Log manuals for these that they can copy and send me, please contact me off-list. Pro-Log# Description 7303 DSKY (Display/keyboard module) 7502 Relay output module (8 relays) 7605 Programmable I/O 7806-1 Z80 CPU card (I have copy of VersaLogic's manual) Other P-L boards from another system I have: Pro-Log# Description 7805-1 8085 CPU card 7604A 64-bit digital I/O (I have copy of VersaLogic's manual) Thanks again for any help. Rich

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STDBUS Manuals

by feldte＠cox.net

Did you ever get the manuals below? I have the following manuals: 7502 SPST Relay 7387 Floppy Disk 7304 Dual USART 7880 Z80 Processor 7507 General Purpose Interface 7803A Z80 Processor 7303 Keyboard/Display Let me know if you need them. I am looking for the following manuals: 7842 7508 Everett Feldt -----Original Message----- Hello, all: I bought a STDBUS instrumentation computer off of eBay last week for $9, and it has some interesting boards in it. Unfortunately, the boards are mostly older Pro-Log models and information is sparse. I've made contact with the "legacy" manufacturer who wants $50 per manual for two of the boards. I found information for two of them on VersaLogic's Web site. So, here's the list of boards. If any one has original Pro-Log manuals for these that they can copy and send me, please contact me off-list. Pro-Log# Description 7303 DSKY (Display/keyboard module) 7502 Relay output module (8 relays) 7605 Programmable I/O 7806-1 Z80 CPU card (I have copy of VersaLogic's manual) Other P-L boards from another system I have: Pro-Log# Description 7805-1 8085 CPU card 7604A 64-bit digital I/O (I have copy of VersaLogic's manual) Thanks again for any help. Rich

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pagemaker 3

by gil_amor＠hotmail.com

Hi Ram Did you open these files created on pagemaker 3 Mac to PC? Any help would be greatly appreciated Thank you Gil

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MMD-2 - Need copy of ROMs

by nbreeden2＠comcast.net

All, I have a MMD-2 which is missing the 4 ROMs. I'm looking for either the HEX files for the ROMs or if someone has an MMD-2 and could copy them that would work also. Thanks -Neil

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Roland LAPC-1 Cards

by xboxer＠roadrunner.nf.net

Hi, I found this old message of yours, any chance your friend still has one of these LAPC-1 cards? Please let me know. Thanks. - - - - MPU-401/LAPC-1 Hans Franke cctech(a)classiccmp.org Thu Jan 9 12:52:45 2003 Previous message: MPU-401 Next message: H89, REMark, Sextant Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] I just taked to my friend. The cards are LAPC-1s. He still has two new units, and he'd be willing to part for 40 Euro each (~42 USD), plus shipping. So if someone still wants to build a early 90s game PC, just drop me a note. Gruss H.

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8008 emulator

by terif.young＠us.army.mil

Steve, I built a working 8008 computer in ''73 from circuit boards from a bankrupt canadian company. I still have the computer and I have a number of books >from Scelbi Computers on 8008 source for basic as well as debuggers, etc . I would really like an 8008 emulator that I could run the source on my modern PC. The roughest beta would be fine. I ran across a blurb about your emulator in cassictechpub/jan9-02. It had a link to your website but I was not able to get in due to lack of login. Would you be willing to send me the emulator? Not necessarily for free either. It does not have to be perfect and I will not require any support. Thanks. Terry Young youngt(a)isecfdeo-emh1.army.mil

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TI silent 700

by pamelabarnard＠ameritech.net

Hi, I also just found my portable TI Silent 700 data terminal. Also in very good condition. I used it to access various systems after hours on the job. I curious, what kind of information did you learn? Would you share any with me? Thanking you in advance! Sincerely, Pamela Barnard

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RLV12/RL02 issue solved... thanks

by cvendel＠att.net

Hi Everyone, I solved the issue with mounting the RL02 on my Vax4000-200 last night. I took the advice of one of the people who responded back about what the settings and vectors are, compared to what the system expects. Turned out: a. I had a bad RLV12 card b. My 2nd card was setup for 22bit addressing So I reset it back to factory 18bit settings, plugged it on, did a mount/automatic dla3: and viloa! Up is came, I set sef to it and did a directory listing and there were the files all sitting patiently waiting to be read once again. I have a backup across 3 rl02's as bak files, now I am going to work on doing a restore to a dia1: drive that I have in my system as a scratch disk... Thanks again to everyone who has helped out on this, now does anyone have a spare rk05 decpack and a qbus controller they want to sell or loan me??? Curt

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TIL308 readout

by lectromech＠worldnet.att.net

I happened upn your message about Til 308 chips. Do you still have any available? If you do let me know. Bruce Brandl lectromech(a)worldnet.att.net

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IBM History site

by jpl15＠panix.com

Whilst Browsing - ran across this fascinating - and well designed! - group of pages on IBM's site. Includes a whole section on "IBM Dress" rather tongue-in-cheekingly called 'The Way We Wore'... http://www-1.ibm.com/ibm/history/ Enjoy. There are many sections that go into great detail about historical IBM gear and systems, many fine pix, etc. Cheers John

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Will trade my AIM-65 for a nice Sinclair ZX-80, or maybe a ...

by tosteve＠yahoo.com

Hi, Looking for a nice trade for my Rockwell AIM-65 computer system. Would like a: - Sinclair ZX-80 - KIM-1 - HP-85 (maybe) Thanks! Steve.

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HP Integral questions

by vp＠mcs.drexel.edu

ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk wrote: > 1) What's the space on top, under the printer cover, for? I've found the also floppies, the side of the compartment near the printer is deaper to accommodate 2 (maybe 3) floppies on their side. **vp

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OT: RE: Grammar, was RE: Work In KC Area?

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Aug 6, 9:54, Peter C. Wallace wrote: > On Wed, 6 Aug 2003, Patrick Rigney wrote: > > James Sissel wrote" > > > > > > My pet peeve is people who don't know the difference between your and > > > > you're. > > > > Mine is "utilize" and all its forms. What is wrong with "use"? > Mine is Architected. It always makes me think of someone bludgeoning > people by swinging an architect around by his/her ankles... Mine is "burglarized" (or "-ised"). The noun is "burglar", the verb is "burgle", and the past tense is "burgled". "To burglarize" would be to turn someone into a burglar. On Aug 6, 13:00, John Lawson wrote: > "Verbing nouns wierds language" Indeed :-) -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Your old PC jr.

by stgeorge＠myhome.net

Hi, I ran across a reference to your webpage; searching for a power supply for my 386-25 . If you haven't given away your computer, I'd like to suggest that you hook it up, as an X-10 box, for home automation . The freeware that comes with X-10; probably won't run on a machine that old; but I'm told that the device works off a serial port; and that there is software out there; that was written specifically to use this standard on "older" machines . Also, take a look at the big manufacturers of home/industrial electrical contracting equipment . There are clock boards, eprom cards, your old box, is still valuable, TO YOU . Hava-goodun, Ken .

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ECMA 46 tape standard

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Aug 5, 21:43, Tony Duell wrote: > > I've been asked about a quarter-inch tape standard from 1976, called > > ECMA-46. > I have here the manuals (user and technical) for a Penny and Giles 'Data > Logger' -- actually a QIC drive with a RS232 or current loop interface. > The user manuals says > > Recording Media : DC300A, DC300XL or equivalent 1/4in. data cartridge > conforming to ISO4057 (ECMA 46) > > Recording Format : 1600 bpi phase encoded data to ISO 4057 [...] > What I don't know is wherte ISO 4057 and ECMA 46 are essentially the same > thing, or whether the latter just specifies the physical form of the > cartridge (The manual could be interpretted either way). Neither do I, offhand, but virtually all the ECMA standards are available online. Unlike some standards bodies, the ECMA believe they should be accessible if people are to adhere to them. Anyway, ECMA 46 is at http://www.ecma-international.org/publications/files/ECMA-TR/TR-046.PDF BTW, many ECMA standards were adopted verbatim by ISO, so if you need a copy of an ISO standard, and you know there's a corresponding ECMA one, just download the ECMA version. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Primate Programming

by Edward.Tillman＠valero.com

Speaking of former Soviet (ne Russian) programmers -- When was the last time one of *US* developed a tetris, or programmed a rotating Rubik's cube to be both defeatable and indefeatable? They got some pretty sharp cookies over there... Cheers... Ed Tillman Store Automation Tech Support Specialist Valero Energy Corporation San Antonio, Texas, USA Office: (210)592-3110, Fax (210)592-2048 Email: edward.tillman(a)valero.com <mailto:edward.tillman@valero.com> -----Original Message----- From: Joe [mailto:rigdonj@cfl.rr.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 5:20 PM To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: Primate Programming At 10:05 PM 8/5/03 -0400, R. D. Davis wrote: >Quothe Tillman, Edward, from writings of Tue, Aug 05, 2003 at 08:06:20PM -0500: >> And both management and users treat/pay us like lower-level primates too... > >The interesting thing about this is that a large percentage of >management and users are much closer to primates, intellectually >speaking, than we are. > >> From: Vintage Computer Festival [mailto:vcf@siconic.com] >> This pretty much sums up the current state of the IT job market in the US >> right now ;) > >Do you mean that an IT job market still exists in the U.S.? That is, >aside from the H1 visa employees imported for cheap labor along with >the cheap outsourced overseas labor. > I saw a funny article the other day. In it the Indians were whining about all the programming jobs that THEY were losing to the Asian and former Soviet countries. Joe

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Testing a video card resolutions

by cb＠mythtech.net

>Check out http://www.simtel.iif.hu/pub/pd/3758.html Thanks! -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Testing a video card resolutions

by cb＠mythtech.net

Anyone know of software that will test a VGA cards available resolutions? I have a stack of old VGA cards here, and any that don't support at least 800x600 at 8 bits are no good to me. I was thinking of just plugging them in turn into a Windows machine and letting windows tell me what resolutions it can use, but that's slow and clunky. I'm looking for some kind of a DOS utility that I can run that will test the card at different settings. Something that I can put only a bootable floppy so I don't have to wait thru the long windows boot, change, reboot cycle. Any suggestions? -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Data Systems Design DSD-880 8" floppy and Hard Drive

by heck＠NEU.EDU

Hi there, Read with great curiosity the thread about the above. I own 3 DSD880D30s and 1 DSD880S8. All are Q-bus. I have the original manuals, and probably the floppies that came with them. Also have the RT-11 v4 and v5 modified drivers. We used them at one of my old jobs for quite some time. If you have any questions about them, feel free to email me. On another note, the 880S8 seems to be dead, but I don't know if it is the drive or the electronics. The Q-bus controller is fine, as is the cable, as they run the D30 just fine. So I am looking for either a good drive or a good S8 box to test with. Anything like that in the group of units you were talking about? Thanks Joe Heck trash4(a)splab.cas.neu.edu

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Retro printer ribbons still up for grabs

by elec37＠york.ac.uk

Hi all, Re-posted with picture in case anyone is interested: I have a couple of new boxed ribbons as shown at http://www.comprec.org.uk/ribbons.jpg The box indicates that they're suitable for the following printer list... Binder 1550, 8510, 8510A C.Itoh 1550, 8510, 8510A, Prowriter 7500 DEC CLA 45-14602, LA50 HP 85 Leading Edge Prowriter 2-1550 8150AP NCR 6411 NEC PC 8023A/B/C Toshiba P1150, PA7251, PA7252 These are FREE (via an SAE to the UK, or a small PayPal donation). If you have any of the above equipment and are interested, please email me directly at elec37(a)york.ac.uk. Cheers now, Ben ~~~ Computer Recycling Project University of York, UK www.comprec.org.uk

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hi,do you have bios?

by lucas_jedi＠263.net

hi, i find the following lines incidentally ------------------------------------ Hi all, I don't know if anyone is doing anything with the original PC, but when I had mine I converted it to an XT with a 15meg hard drive. I ended up typing in the PC monitor and modifying it so the bios had a drive entry for the hard drive I had purchased (actually I bought a 10meg and they gave me a 15meg instead). I have a zip file that has both the orginal source and my modified copy if anyone is interested. Just email my privately and I will pass the ZIP on. best regards, Steve Thatcher ------------------------------------ i am trying to write a system and cant find bios source code. could you email me your copy? sorry to bother you.^_^ jedi

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ATW800

by rene.de.bie＠xs4all.nl

Hi, Is this ATW800 still for sale? I would like to contact this person and ask him a few questions about it. Rene

23 years

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hard card 40

by nashafi＠yahoo.com

Hi, I am interested in buying the hard card 40 you have. Let me know how to go about it ? One more thing. I currently have a hardcard in an old system which is not showing any display. so i took out the hard card and plugged in a 486 system but now the system wants to use it as a start up disk any idea how can i prevent system to do that so i be able to retrieve data from hard card. because if i let hard card be start up disk then i get a bios address error. Any help will be appreciated. infact i dont need a hardcard any more but if your suggested solution works i 'll buy it :) Cheers Thanks, Nauman

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STR LINK IIa

by jgershon＠steelindustriesinc.com

I saw a post of yours from last year. I have a manual for this item if you still require it. I am actually looking for a replacement for our STR LINK IIa, or at the very least, the belt for the tape drive on it. Jack

23 years

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Northgate

by jopower＠poetworld.net

Hi David, Still got that Northgate? I'm interested. -Jopower(a)poetworld.net

23 years

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Primate Programming

by Edward.Tillman＠valero.com

And both management and users treat/pay us like lower-level primates too... Cheers... Ed Tillman Store Automation Tech Support Specialist Valero Energy Corporation San Antonio, Texas, USA Office: (210)592-3110, Fax (210)592-2048 Email: edward.tillman(a)valero.com <mailto:edward.tillman@valero.com> -----Original Message----- From: Vintage Computer Festival [mailto:vcf@siconic.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 7:33 PM To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: Primate Programming On Tue, 5 Aug 2003, Joe wrote: > Everyone should read this! <http://www.newtechusa.com/ppi/main.asp> This pretty much sums up the current state of the IT job market in the US right now ;) -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *

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MANUAL

by jbraver＠rogers.com

Saw your post about DEC manuals you've collected. I just inherited two DEC LN-03 printers. Would appreciate copy of anything you've got for this unit. Thanks.

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Grammar, was RE: Work In KC Area?

by larry＠laurelnet.com

The word "prolly" in written communication is like fingernails on the blackboard of my mind. I prolly shouldn't get so upset about it. Larry "Besides a mathematical inclination, an exceptionally good mastery of one's native tongue it the most vital asset of a competent programmer." - Edsger W. Dijkstra -----Original Message----- From: cctalk-admin(a)classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-admin@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of ghldbrd(a)ccp.com Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 10:59 AM To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Subject: RE: Grammar, was RE: Work In KC Area? The lastest ones are "have gotten" and "enthused", which have become commonplace in our English. May Edwin Neumann have mercy on our fractured words. Gary Hildebrand St. Joseph, MO > My pet peeve is the use of "I've got..", "You've got...", "They've got..", > etc. > > -----Original Message----- > From: James Sissel [mailto:James.Sissel@labone.com] > Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 9:19 AM > To: kclug(a)kclug.org > Subject: RE: Work In KC Area? > > > My pet peeve is people who don't know the difference between your and > you're. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Monty J. Harder [mailto:lists@kc.rr.com] > Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 8:42 PM > To: kclug(a)kclug.org > Subject: Re: Work In KC Area? > > > "Steven Elling" <ellings(a)kcnet.com> wrote: > >> I wish I would of known that before I went to DeVRY. I would of just >> went >> to Goodland VoTech and saved a bunch of money in tuition and living >> expenses. Plus, I would of been better off. > > I suggest that a bit broader education, which includes some English to > go > along with the technical classes, would _have_ served you better yet. > You used the word 'of' four times above, and three of (heh) them should be > 'have': > > 'would have known' > 'would have just gone' (not 'went') > 'would have been' > > > > There. I'm the freaking Grammar Nazi.

23 years

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Keyboard

by RToyota756＠aol.com

Hi David; I just found this old link; to your ad for a Northgate Ultra keyboard. Is it still for sale? Thanks, Roddy

23 years

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uVAX Sigma Cage...

by TDMINTERNATIONAL＠aol.com

I recently purchased one of these old sigma cages with DEC and other hardware inside. Anyone out there have information on how to "strap" the I/O cards so that the 9 pin serial port for the console is active? According to the DIP switches it is set to 9600 Baud. I know there is more to it than that. Thanks Ken

23 years

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LSI-11 and other goodies available cheap/free in Silicon Valley

by ran＠netgate.net

My apologies for the tackiness of posting a "for sale" ad to a list where I'm not a regular, but this seems to be the best hope of finding a good home for this stuff. I'm about to become another of those "Silicon Valley refugees", so I need to get rid of a bunch of "formerly useful" and "maybe someday" items so I can spruce up the house and put it up for sale. Many of them will be of interest to classic computer fans. These are the ones that I think are "on-topic" here: 1. A lot of LSI-11 parts. One DEC chassis (BA-11N, I *think*) with a minimal front panel and about 8 hex slots. Enough boards to build 2 or 3 working systems. CPUs: an 11/03, an 11/23, an 11/73, and a fourth one whose model I forget (I think it's a different flavor of 11/73, but I'm not sure). Multiple dual-wide RAM boards (and a 128KW quad-wide one in the garage, somewhere, I hope). Various DEC and non-DEC serial cards. An MTI MLV-11 MFM controller, with two Syquest drives and about 10 10-megabyte cartridges. A prototype of a UDA50 clone with a couple of ESDI drives (I think they're 760Meg, but don't hold me to that. They were "pretty big" 10 years ago, when I was working on it ;-). I'm pretty sure there's a QDA-50 to run it, too Assorted cables and other parts. All of the boards should be good: they came out of systems that were working back in my DEC-peripheral-consultant days, and were properly stored in anti-static bags. The Syquest drives were never especially wonderful as a family, but these seemed to work fine while I used them, and I think the odds are better than 75% that at least one of them will work. And the odds are better than 90% on the UDA clone. My preference is to have someone come by and pick up the whole lot for $100 (trade offers will be considered: there are a few small items, like hard drives to revive a couple of old PCs, that I need). If that doesn't happen, I'll recycle the drives, and sell the boards by mail. The other items are "free to good home", but I'd appreciate it if you offered something in exchange (like an IDE hard drive or CD-ROM for the PCs I'm fixing). 2. A Mac II, with MMU (so you can run Linux on it ;-), 8-bit color card, and one of the drives with a bad case of the infamous stiction problem. I have a couple of possibly-good replacement drives, but never got around to trying them. 3. An "OS/2 starter kit", including Warp 3, Warp 3 Connect, some aftermarket books with CDs, a few Hobbes archives on CD, etc. If nobody local claims this, I'll mail it to someone willing to pay the postage. 4. DC-600 tapes: an assortment of a couple or three dozen. Nearly all used (though generally not heavily: most were distribution tapes that I used once or twice for backups), but a few still shrink-wrapped. If nobody claims the lot, I'll sell the new ones by mail. 5. A Tandon 1/2-height 8" floppy in a Corvus enclosure (model FLP-1). I'm about 90% certain this was working when it went into storage 10 years ago. 6. A Voterm II. Condition unknown: somewhere on its journey through the surplus food chain, it got whacked in a way that smashed its fuseholder, and I never got around to trying to fix it. From what little I was able to find on the web, I gather that this is something of a rarity, so I'll entertain requests to ship it if nobody claims it locally. I'll check the list archives for replies, but it's probably better to contact me directly at netgate.net (userid "ran") to save bandwidth. I have a pretty fascist set of procmail filters in place, but putting the word "zaurus" at the beginning of your response will get you past them. Thanks, Ran

23 years

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Wanted: WPS-PC v3.1 or higher

by rogersda＠cox.net

Hi All, I've been searching for some evidence of what happened to the company that produced WPS-80 and WPS-PC, and come up dry. I need at least the license and binaries, but the hard-copy documentation would be nice, too. ADVthanksANCE, Dale

23 years

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Interesting Burroughs Photo Site

by aek＠spies.com

can be found here: http://www.cbi.umn.edu/IMAGES/index -- out of curiosity, I did a search for "magnetic tape" in CBI's search engine. While there were several hits on documents describing various aspects of magnetic tape, there were no indices for any tapes themselves. Unfortunately, the companies whose archives are being turned over to CBI, The Computer History Museum, etc. saved the manuals and the photographs, but none of the software. :-< The only exception I've found so far was in the DEC archives at CHM, which has one storage box of PDP-15 diagnostics on paper tape.

23 years

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OT: RE: Grammar, was RE: Work In KC Area?

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Aug 7, 19:11, Fred N. van Kempen wrote: > On Thu, 7 Aug 2003, Vintage Computer Festival wrote: > > > The proper usage is to speak of "myriad OT threads" (as in "many OT > Wrong, it's "a myriad *of* <something>" , defined as "a great number > of things", "many things" and so on. Not wrong at all. The Oxford English Dictionary defines it as "myriad, a & n, ten thousand (of); an indefinitely large number". The original usage was "myriad things"; "myriad of ..." is recent usage. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Grammar, was RE: Work In KC Area?

by ghldbrd＠ccp.com

The lastest ones are "have gotten" and "enthused", which have become commonplace in our English. May Edwin Neumann have mercy on our fractured words. Gary Hildebrand St. Joseph, MO > My pet peeve is the use of "I've got..", "You've got...", "They've got..", > etc. > > -----Original Message----- > From: James Sissel [mailto:James.Sissel@labone.com] > Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 9:19 AM > To: kclug(a)kclug.org > Subject: RE: Work In KC Area? > > > My pet peeve is people who don't know the difference between your and > you're. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Monty J. Harder [mailto:lists@kc.rr.com] > Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 8:42 PM > To: kclug(a)kclug.org > Subject: Re: Work In KC Area? > > > "Steven Elling" <ellings(a)kcnet.com> wrote: > >> I wish I would of known that before I went to DeVRY. I would of just >> went >> to Goodland VoTech and saved a bunch of money in tuition and living >> expenses. Plus, I would of been better off. > > I suggest that a bit broader education, which includes some English to > go > along with the technical classes, would _have_ served you better yet. > You used the word 'of' four times above, and three of (heh) them should be > 'have': > > 'would have known' > 'would have just gone' (not 'went') > 'would have been' > > > > There. I'm the freaking Grammar Nazi.

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Old IBM machines

by SPEDRAJA＠ono.com

Perhaps somebody can have some interest in these items: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&category=1247&item=2746220303 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&category=1247&item=2746223305 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&category=1247&item=2746236697 Of course, if I should have sufficient money I should have no doubt ! Greetings Sergio

23 years

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hard card 40 II not working

by nashafi＠mail.com

I currently have a hardcard in an old system which is not showing any display. so i took out the hard card and plugged in a 486 system but now the system wants to use it as a start up disk any idea how can i prevent system to do that so i be able to retrieve data from hard card. because if i let hard card be start up disk then i get a bios address error. Any help will be appreciated. -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup CareerBuilder.com has over 400,000 jobs. Be smarter about your job search http://corp.mail.com/careers

23 years

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HP Integral questions

by ard＠p850ug1.demon.co.uk

A couple of weeks ago I mentioned I'd obtained an HP Integral. I've now had time to test the PSU, etc, and it seems to be fine. However, I have a few questions about it. 1) What's the space on top, under the printer cover, for? I've found the HP-HIL mouse (and cable) is an almost perfect fit there, and as a mouse is a useful accessory for this machine, that's where I store it. But is there a more official use? 2) One of the cards I have in the machine is the interface for the 82904 expansion unit. Alas I don't have the expansion unit itself :-(. The card has a 64 pin Blue Ribbon connector on the bracket, which seems to mostly carry a buffered version of the Integral's expansion bus. My first problem, though, is that 64 pin Blue Ribbon plugs are not listed in any catalogue I've looked in so far -- 50 is the largest we seem to get in the UK. Anyone know a source? 3) Also, has anyone any information on designing I/O cards for this machine? 4) A really long shot, but that expansion unit card is taking up a slot that could be better used for something else. So does anyone know where I might find a serial card (either RS232 or current loop, preferably the former) or a GPIO card? I also think I need a hard disk. I have whichever version of the 9133 is around 20Mbytes here, which I believe should work. However, I have questions about that too 1) Inside there's a set of 4 links called the 'Ident Sea'. It appears these tell the controller the geometry of the ST506 hard disk that's connected. Anyone know what all 16 possible settings are for? 2) Is it possible to low-level format a 'new' hard disk on this unit? If I found a replacement drive that matched one of the expected geometries, how could I use it? -tony

23 years

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media question (MO and tape)

by liste＠artware.qc.ca

My father was emptying his office and broght home a box full of back ups. I have readers for most, except the following 2 : Sony 5 1/4 Magneto Optical Disk EDM-1DA1s Rewritable Maxell HS-8/112 Helical-Scan 8mm Data Cartridge I've googled around a bit and disovered very little about these medias beyond the fact the MO disks can contain 600mb. Question : what drives would be able to read these media? Would they be easily procurable for cheap? -Philip

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Interesting Burroughs Photo Site

by jpl15＠panix.com

can be found here: http://www.cbi.umn.edu/IMAGES/index I haven't had time to see all 500, but the first few pages are worth the look... Cheers John

23 years

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OT: RE: Grammar, was RE: Work In KC Area?

by Robert_Feldman＠jdedwards.com

The last post prompted a trip to the dictionary (Websters New Universal Unabridged [1983]), where "myriad of ..." (any indefinitely large number) is indeed listed. Looking at adjacent entries, I did pick up a new, related word, the metric prefix "myria" (10,000) as in myriagram (10,000 grams), myrialiter (10,000 liters) and myriameter (10,000 meters). -----Original Message----- From: steve [mailto:gkicomputers@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 9:22 AM To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: OT: RE: Grammar, was RE: Work In KC Area? --- Nick Steel <nick(a)tcns.co.uk> wrote: > As long as we're bitching, the hairs on the back of > my neck stand up > (all too frequently, as it's currently in vogue) > when people try to be > erudite (but prove the reverse) by referring to: "A > myriad of...". > "A myriad of ..." is correct usage(although maybe not preferred), myriad can be used as a noun, like " A herd of cattle".

23 years

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24pin Printer looking for a home

by liste＠artware.qc.ca

I was just given a Panasonic KX-P1123 24 pin Multi-Mode Printer. I have zero use for it. Generally I refuse dot-matrix printers, but it was 24 pin, which I haven't seem many of. Anyone want it? Free to a good home! Pick-up or you pay shipping from southern Qu?bec (J0B 2C0). -Philip

23 years

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Genuine IBM ISA cards/EPROMS available

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

Ive got a bunch of IBM 8bit ISA cards available. I've got floppy controllers ASYNC card full length prototype cards host and extender cards for the expansion chassis parallel card a '32kb mem cd.' <?> keyboard interface card for a 3270pc something called a keyboard mux interface MAXIMIZER multifunction card from sigma designs rev 3.0 dozens of 64-256k memory exp cards Toshiba 2756d-20 EPROMS labeled with BIOS-related notes AMD EPROMS 6231572 a33289 8720fp labeled with IBM MACH PN11F5062 AMD EPROMS AM27c256 TI 2764jl-25 tmm23256p-5879 copyright IBM intel d27256-25 AMD 6212424 some labeled with IBM PN 25F9523 1990 Some more labeled IBM MACH PN 11F6368 Intel 6833145 8425 L4289089S AMD 27256DC I was told some of these chips are BIOSes for the XT, or AT or the XT/286 model although I have no way of telling. Any interest in this stuff? I only want enough to cover shipping and maybe the cost of a soda on the way to the post office. -- Antique Computer Virtual Museum www.nothingtodo.org

23 years

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Please help - misbehavin' HP-71b

by vespasale＠dsl.pipex.com

I hope someone can quickly let me know the answer. Is it normal for an HP-71b that has been without batteries or use for a while to refuse to start up once you put batteries in _until_ the PSU is plugged-in? Once it's been started with the PSU plugged-in, it works fine with only batteries. Is this normal and, if not, any idea how to fix it? Thanks in advance. nk =================================== Nick Koleszar vespasale(a)dsl.pipex.com

23 years

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ECMA 46 tape standard

by aek＠spies.com

I am pretty sure, though that this drive is not QIC11 (I did wonder about coverting it to that format once many years ago as I needed a QIC11 drive for the PERQ). -- Archive developed the movable head serpentine recording techinique that begat QIC11 (and the 9 and 15 track formats) MANY years after 3M developed the 1/4" DC300 series tape cartridge. Quantex and other vendors were using this mechanism in the mid 70's (Tek 405x's, IBM 51xx's) with multi-track fixed position head stacks, and many different recording formats. This appears to be yet another area where there is a lack of documentation for someone trying to recover old data from decaying magnetic media.

23 years

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OT: remembering old thread from about a year ago: Tek scope

by ghldbrd＠ccp.com

I picked up a Tek 321 scope, and I remembered a thread about a year or so ago about someone with a Tek 3" scope looking for help getting it going. Point me in the right direction, and I'll hold my peace. Gary Hildebrand St. Joseph, MO

23 years

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Saw a post on Classic CMP.org

by bradyd＠earthlink.net

Are you still looking for copies of the TAM disks? I have a complete set, and will complete whatever you're missing. Let me know what you can trade, or send me the number of blanks and a postage paid mailer... David

23 years

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Looking for manuals

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

Does anyone on the list have any written material on the IBM Mag Card/A? Email me off list. Thanks

23 years

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Any Procomm experts out there?

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

Hi, I need some help with Procomm. I've been trying to log onto an Intel 320 computer that runs iRMX. I have a terminal connected to the Intel and I've been able run the diagnostics and to load the OS and boot up but didn't have the correct account names or passwors to log into the system. I searched the net last night and found some iRMX manuals. Read them and found a couple of default account names and passwords. Today I tried them on the 320. The Superuser password didn't work but one of the regular account names and password did work so I was able to get into the system. :-) But once it logged in it executed the user profile and that changed the terminal setting so that all I got was garbage. :-( (I'll go back to reading and see if there's a way to stop it from executing the user profile.) I also tried using a PC with Procomm as a terminal. Procomm will emulate a lot of terminals and I thought that maybe one of them would display properly. But I could never get Procomm to work. It always said "Off-line" and I could never get anything to display on the screen. Data was going out to the computer and data was coming back from it but none of it showed up on the screen or in the log file. Any ideas? I'm guessing some kind of handshaking problem. I connected up my data display boxs with about six LEDs connected to the most important signal lines and everything looked fine so it must be one of the less common signals. I used the same cable and connected it to a terminal and set it for the same baud rate, # of data and stop bits, parity etc and it worked fine. Also tried another cable and it worked for the terminal but not for the PC with Procomm. I have used this same PC with Procomm and the same cable to successfully connect to other older Intel boxs with no trouble. Anyone have any idea why Procomm doesn't recognize this system? Joe

23 years

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UK: tape winder? Atlas Autocode charset (flexowriter)

by aek＠spies.com

A better solution would be to write a program that does a simple array-based look-up. Assuming the Flex-o-writer uses EBCIDC, here's a chart that might be handy -- you mean, like the one I posted here yesterday? does ANYONE bother to read my posts here? FWIW, it is NOT EBCIDC, and has upper/lower case state which has to be remembered.

23 years

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Reading a VMS CD-ROM for SIMH under Windows?

by david＠bitsolve.com

Guys, it gets better... I've got a working ISO and can boot to the SYSBOOT> prompt (b/10000001 dua3) from sys1 on the CD but the system Fails to boot further reporting DUA3 (CD/ISO) has been write locked And mount verification is in progress.. I have seen this reported elsewhere for the 7.2 hobbyist kit.. So what's the fix?? How do I boot a vax without a vax (simh) Installation? Do I need to beg a dummy (minimal) system disk file from someone?(DUA0) David David at bitsolve dot com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- My RRD43 reads CDR's fine. BTW, I know it was asked, but not sure if it was answered. I have read VMS install CD's into PC ISO files using Nero, then used them with SIMH to create a VMS system from scratch. I've also read the same discs with Easy CD Creator (don't remember which version) and although the files were slightly different sizes, they still worked fine. I know I gave someone on this forum (was it you, Ethan?) some ISO's... They were made with Easy CD Creator. - Bob -----Original Message----- From: cctalk-admin(a)classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-admin@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Ethan Dicks Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 1:38 PM To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Subject: RE: Reading a VMS CD-ROM for SIMH under Windows? --- Antonio Carlini <arcarlini(a)iee.org> wrote: > I've not actually attempted to use the results with SIMH, so all I'm > reporting is that CDRWin is reading *something* from the CD! I'd burn > the result to a CDRW if I thought any of my RRD4x devices could cope. I already have verified that my RRD42 does _not_ like CD-R media. :-( -ethan

23 years

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v20

by alexsan＠go.ro

hi eric!my name is alex and i am olso looking for documantation about nec\'s v20 controller.i search on their site but i found nothing.can you please send my what you could find about it?i am interested in anything about v20!thank you! ---- Home, no matter how far... http://www.home.ro

23 years

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ECMA 46 tape standard

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Aug 5, 23:48, Paul Williams wrote: > No, that's ECMA Technical Report TR/46, "Security in Open Systems - A > Security Framework". Oops, sorry. However, you might like to look round the site -- there used to be a way to order a free copy of most reports that weren't online. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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