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Diablo 620 Ribbon, Printronix 300 ribbon

by cb＠mythtech.net

I have two new Diablo 620 ribbons, and one new Printronix 300 ribbon. Anyone want them, just send me a mailing address and they're yours. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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IBM System/23 problems

by cb＠mythtech.net

>Yeah, I'm here in the states, New York to be specific. I would be very >interested in getting ahold of a copy of the ROM chip to replace the >nonfunctional chip on my machine's board, as well as copies of whatever >software I can find. I don't know what software was available for the >System/23, probably mostly just business software, right? What >operating system did it run, or was it just some flavor of BASIC with >disk commands? Although I don't know anything about System 23's, I am pretty sure that all my functioning ones also displayed the same codes across the top, with many hilited as well. I think the error may be the one it stops on, not anything prior. Of course, I could also be totally wrong. I would certainly double check with a System 23 expert before doing much work in replacing the ROMS. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Old DOS on topic yet?

by Robert_Feldman＠jdedwards.com

There is a good selection of 16-bit MS-DOS software for networking the HP LX palmtops (XT-class, but with an 80186 processor), including TC/IP and PPP, as well as simple browsers HTML readers, and email programs (look at http://www.dasoft.com/WWW/wv3.htm, for example). Many are free. There are a number of PCMCIA network cards that have DOS support (look for a 16-bit card; I have a 3Com 574). The selection is more restricted for the HP palmtops, though, because of its power limitations (<125mA, IIRC). The favorite card is the Accton EN2216, no longer produced by sometimes available on eBay. If you search the HPLX mailing list archives (http://www.technoir.nu/hplx/hplx-l/), you will find instructions on setting up DOS networking, email, etc. If you want to hook an MS-DOS computer to an MS network, there is always http://www.wown.com/j_helmig/dosclien.htm. You could also hook the DOS computer to a network using a serial port and PPP (MochaSoft PPP http://www.mochasoft.dk/f_download2.html is highly recommended on the HPLX list). Bob -----Original Message----- From: Joe [mailto:rigdonj@cfl.rr.com] Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 9:08 PM To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Re: Old DOS on topic yet? At 05:16 PM 9/25/03 -0700, you wrote: >> I would like to get an old single floppy DOS laptop machine >> on my local network. Anyone know how to get DOS to work with >> a PCMCIA card (uh too new?) > >Well.... One question comes to mind, if it's a single floppy laptop (I >translate that as meaning it doesn't have a HD), does it even have a PCMCIA >card slot? If it doesn't, does it have an bidirectional parallel port >(isn't that called EPP?). If you have the PCMCIA slot, you'll need to find >a card that is old enough that there was DOS support for it. Hopefully you >can get one that includes the drivers and instructions. > >Warning, setting such a thing up is not fun. The next question is, what do >you plan on using for networking software? Such things for DOS weren't >exactly common either. > > Zane > IIRC somewhere on the net is a HP 200LX palmtop that's operating as a server. IIRC it has one or two PCMCIA slots and 2Mb of RAM with MS-DOS 5 in ROM and NO disk drives. Don't recall what networking software it was using but it shouldn't be to hard to find if it's still on the net. Ah! Found it! it's at <http://www.technoir.nu/hplx/welcome.html>. It's now been taken off-line but the details are still posted. Joe

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Old DOS on topic yet?

by Robert_Feldman＠jdedwards.com

The HP 95LX (MS-DOS 3.3 in ROM) came out slightly after the Poqet, and it also does not have a fully PCMCIA 1.0 compatable card slot. The HP 100LX (MS-DOS 5.0 in ROM), which came out in 1993, has does have a fully compatable slot, PCMCIA Revision 2.0, IIRC. The PCMCIA (Personal Computer Memory Card Industry Association) was formed in June of 1989. -----Original Message----- From: Fred Cisin [mailto:cisin@xenosoft.com] Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 7:39 PM To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Re: Old DOS on topic yet? On Thu, 25 Sep 2003, Ron Hudson wrote: > I would like to get an old single floppy DOS laptop machine > on my local network. Anyone know how to get DOS to work with > a PCMCIA card (uh too new?) The Poqet computer came out just over ten years ago. It used two memory cards that were PCMCIA, but before the official PCMCIA standard was developed. Does anybody know offhand exactly when the PCMCIA standard came about? PCMCIA = "People Can't memorize Computer Industry Acronyms" The Toshiba 1100, and the Atari Portfolio wer out about that time, and like the Poqet, they had versions of DOS in ROM. (The Portfolio was a wannabe, Toshiba and Poqet were MS-DOS)

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OT: Apple Lisa in today's Dilbert cartoon

by Robert_Feldman＠jdedwards.com

http://www.unitedmedia.com/comics/dilbert/ Bob

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***CLEAR*** HP-85 FS on E-bay

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

<http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3048818050&category=3294> Joe

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Fwd: Two complete Lisa 2's for sale

by jrasite＠eoni.com

I *know* that this will interest someone here.... From the LowEndMac swap list Jim -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [swap] Two complete Lisa 2's for sale Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 15:38:00 -0400 From: bktigger(a)copper.net To: LEM Swap List <lem-swap(a)mail.maclaunch.com> LEM-Swap is for buying & selling Mac stuff. It is not a discussion list. See the FAQ <http://lowendmac.com/lists/swap.html> for guidelines on postings, feedback, and dispute resolution. -------------------- I'm making some room for other items and have decided to sell the two complete Lisa 2's I've got. Both units are stock with 2 MB of RAM and in good comestic condition. One has a Profile 10 MB HD and the other has a Profile 5 MB HD. They include keyboards, no mice but they work fine with older 128/512/Plus mice. Both units were working as of 2 years ago. I brought them out recently and neither unit starts up. In the past this has been due to dirty contacts on the backplane and cards and I believe that is the case now. I simply don't have the time to go over them and clean the contacts up. I'll include copies of MacWorks Plus and MacWorks XL (various versions) as well as Lisa Office, Lisa Term, Lisa Calc. If I can find them all I'll also include files with Lisa schematics, repair utilities and Lisa Unix. All files will come burned on a CD and you can use a 400k floppy compatible Mac to transfer them and I'll toss in a bunch of 400k floppies. These are going to be heavy to ship so take that into consideration. The cpu's will be shipped in their own boxes and the Profiles and keyboards will be shipped in a third box. Shipping will be from 28609, count on 50 pounds approx. shipping weight for the cpu's and 35 pounds for the Profiles. I can ship by US Mail or motor freight if you have that delivery option. I'd like to get $500 + shipping for all of it. Any questions email me. Thanks, Randy -- LEM-Swap is sponsored by <http://lowendmac.com/> and... 123Inkjets.com <http://lowendmac.com/ad/123inkjets.html> Support Low End Mac <http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html> LEM-Swap list info: <http://lowendmac.com/lists/swap.html> --> AOL users, remove "mailto:" Send list messages to: <mailto:lem-swap@mail.maclaunch.com> To unsubscribe, email: <mailto:lem-swap-off@mail.maclaunch.com> For digest mode, email: <mailto:lem-swap-digest@mail.maclaunch.com> Subscription questions: <mailto:listmom@lemlists.com> Archive: <http://www.mail-archive.com/lem-swap%40mail.maclaunch.com/> Join the SwapChat list: <mailto:get-swap-chat@jmug.org> --------------------------------------------------------------- >The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com --------------------------------------------------------------- .

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Cool new bad with a vintage computing twist

by vcf＠siconic.com

I just discovered one of the coolest new bands called The Polyphonic Spree, and after exploring their multi-faceted website I came across a cute little Easter Egg. Go to: http://www.thepolyphonicspree.com Once the Flash animation finishes coloring in all the sections, click on the bulbous red shape in the lower right hand corner of the screen. This will pull up a photo of a Sinclair ZX Spectrum. Each button you press on the keyboard takes you to a different photo. Check out the music too. It's pretty awesome. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ]

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Fwd: Canadian Collection

by kenziem＠sympatico.ca

Looks like York University has started a collection http://www.cs.yorku.ca/museum/collections/collection.htm http://www.yorku.ca/yfile/archive/index.asp?Article=758 -- Ottawa, Canada Collector of vintage computers http://www.ncf.ca/~ba600

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Compaticard Software Available

by kyrrin＠bluefeathertech.com

With thanks to Don Maslin for providing the Zip archive, I have placed said ZIPfile, containing the driver software for the Compaticards, on my FTP site. You can retrieve it using standard anonymous signon in this path. Site: ftp.bluefeathertech.com Path: /pub/computing/hardware/legacy/DiskControllers/compaticard Enjoy! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Owner & Head Hardware Heavy, Blue Feather Technologies -- http://www.bluefeathertech.com ARS KC7GR (Formerly WD6EOS) since 12-77 -- kyrrin(a)bluefeathertech.com "Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati" (Red Green, aka Steve Smith)

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Some of my other finds in St. louis

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

Got the following items various thrifts in St. Louis: HP 33C calculator with case and charger for $5 IBM guide to operations for the PC with two Persyst manuals in it, Time-Spectrum Multi-function Board and The COMPAK Module for the IBM PC hot to install. A Sun mouse model COMPACT1 Various cartridges and mousepads.

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Compaticard stuff

by TRASH3＠splab.cas.neu.edu

was somebody looking for microsolutions compaticard stuff? I found my software and manual. Probably the floppy drive is around here also, but my recollection was it had failed. Joe

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Pinging Bruce Lane Re: Compaticard stuff

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

Bruce, I tried to e-mail the files to you but the message bounced. Joe >Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 16:42:14 -0400 >To: Bruce Lane <kyrrin(a)bluefeathertech.com> >From: Joe <rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com> >Subject: Re: Compaticard stuff >X-Attachments: C:\COMPTICA\VER_2_03\Compati.zip; >In-Reply-To: <200309250820290951.0DD7705C(a)192.168.42.129> >References: <030924194739.f2ad(a)splab.cas.neu.edu> <030924194739.f2ad(a)splab.cas.neu.edu> > > Teledisk? Bahhh! I still can't get it to work! > > Here's a zipped copy of the files for version 2.03. I also have the files for version 1 if you want them. > > Joe > > > >At 08:20 AM 9/25/03 -0700, you wrote: >>Joe, I'd like to archive that floppy, and make it available on my FTP server. Any way you can send me a Teledisk image of it? >> >>Yes, I also have one of the cards. It's one of the few pieces of "classic" computing stuff that I want to hang on to. >> >>Thanks much. >> >>*********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** >> >>On 24-Sep-03 at 19:47 TRASH3(a)splab.cas.neu.edu wrote: >> >>>was somebody looking for microsolutions compaticard stuff? I found my >>>software and manual. Probably the floppy drive is around here also, >>>but my recollection was it had failed. >>> >>>Joe >> >> >>-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- >>Bruce Lane, Owner & Head Hardware Heavy, >>Blue Feather Technologies -- http://www.bluefeathertech.com >>ARS KC7GR (Formerly WD6EOS) since 12-77 -- kyrrin(a)bluefeathertech.com >>"Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati" (Red Green, aka Steve Smith) >> >> >>

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Is this worth picking up? MorrowDecision (LS ADM 20) Terminal

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

Spotted this in a scrap place today but didn't get it. Labeled as Morrow Decision but the back label says Lear Sigler ADM20. Should I go back and get it? Joe

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New toys

by cb＠mythtech.net

>Now I guess you could get some car window/bumper stickers made up - "My other >computer is an Apple Lisa" :) oooh... I might just have to do that. :-) Anyone else want one? -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Betr.: old shtuff

by e.huininga＠sozawe.groningen.nl

Hi Fred, It sounds very familiar. I believe I used to have one too :-) Maybe I've still got the software, jumpersettings etc. somewhere. I'll take a look this evening.... Cheers, Eelco Met vriendelijke groet, Eelco Huininga Systeembeheer Dienst Sociale Zaken & Werkgelegenheid Eendrachtskade z.z. 2 9726 CW Groningen, The Netherlands tel: +31 50 367 5720 fax: +31 50 367 5731 e-mail: e.huininga(a)sozawe.groningen.nl >>> "Fred N. van Kempen" <waltje(a)pdp11.nl> 09/24 10:22 >>> Hiyas, While going through the (many, sigh) boxes of old crap, trying to find the manual for the AST FourPort card, I found my good old Irwin tape drive again... I already have about 120 tapes in the machine room (I always managed to keep those "with" all the other tapes..) which contain a lot of old software. So.. does anyone still have these drives? I can probably go and resurrect my old 286/20 machine (to which the drive was once connected ;) and install a fresh copy of DOS on that, but I probably also need the software for it... I remember I used both their "old" system (FIP, I believe) and their new stuff, EZ-TAPE I believe.... Oh.. and anyone able to feed me info on the (&(#$^(#^ AST card should report in for duty asap :) Cheers, Fred -- Fred N. van Kempen, DEC (Digital Equipment Corporation) Collector/Archivist Visit the VAXlab Project at http://www.pdp11.nl/VAXlab/ Visit the Archives at http://www.pdp11.nl/ Email: waltje(a)pdp11.nl BUSSUM, THE NETHERLANDS / Sunnyvale, CA, USA

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Compaticard stuff

by TRASH3＠splab.cas.neu.edu

I have 3 requests for the compaticard floppy. I recall in the early days that some manufacturers put bad blocks on their floppies to prevent copying. If the floppy has no copy protection, then I'll make up a disk image and email it out to whomever asks. bear in mind the image is not really compressed and it will be over 1mb. If it is copy protected, then... I recall programs that copied them also, but I don't have them now. joe

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Power Macintosh 6100/66 (with DOS compatibility card)

by tlindner＠watermarkpress.com

I am looking for a buyer for the above machine. It isn't ten years old yet, so I was hesisatant about listing it on vinatge.org Interested? -- tim lindner tlindner(a)watermarkpress.com Bright

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IBM System/23 problems

by ian_primus＠yahoo.com

My IBM System/23 doesn't work properly. When turned on, it displays a series of numbers on the screen, and stops at "FD". Of the numbers printed, "0B" is inverted and flashing. I found a listing of the error codes in google's cache of classiccmp.org (part of the archive seems to be down). http://216.239.51.104/search?q=cache:83dbK69EHG8J:www.classiccmp.org/ mail-archive/classiccmp/1997-07/0566.html+IBM+System/ 23+error+site:www.classiccmp.org&hl=en&ie=UTF-8 According to this, the error code "0B" indicates that one of the ROM chips on the logic board has failed. I looked at it, and it is soldered to the board. Desoldering and replacing it with a socket shouldn't be a problem, but I will need to find another ROM chip. Does anyone have a spare chip, or the ability to copy a good chip? Also, once I get this machine working again, I will need to find some software for it. I would assume that there is no place to download System/23 software, or even a way to get files to usable 8 inch floppies. I have a few disks given to me with the computer that may be bootable, but I don't know. I don't really know a lot about the System/23 other than the fact that it's really heavy. Any information would be appreciated. Thanks! Ian Primus ian_primus(a)yahoo.com

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Cute auction ad

by vcf＠siconic.com

Check out this auction for a TRS-80 Pocket Computer 2: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3048884954 -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ]

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Vintage Computer Festival 6.0 Update

by vcf＠siconic.com

-= Vintage Computer Festival =- -= Saturday, October 11 through Sunday, October 12 =- -= 10am until 6pm Daily =- -= Computer History Museum, Mountain View, California =- -= http://www.vintage.org/2003/main/ =- It's time to get OLD SCHOOL! __ __ _ _ _ _______ _______ _______ \ \ / / | | | \ | | |__ __| /\ / _____ \ | _____| \ \ / / | | | \ | | | | / \ | / \_| | | \ \ / / | | | \ | | | | / /\ \ | | _____ | |_____ \ \ / / | | | |\ \| | | | / / \ \ | | |____ | | _____| \ \/ / | | | | \ | | | / /____\ \ | | | | | | \ / | | | | \ | | | / ________ \ | \_____/ | | |_____ \/ |_| |_| \_| |_| /_/ \_\ \_______/ |_______| ______ ______ __________ ______ _ _ ________ ______ ______ | ____ || __ || ___ _ || ____ ||| |||___ ___|| _____|| ____ | || |_||| |_ ||| | | | ||| |||| || || || || || || || |||| | | | |||____|||| || || ||_____ ||____|| | \ || ||| \ | | | || ___|| \ || | \ | ___|| ___ \ | | _ || ||| | | | | || | | | || | | | | | | | | | |_| |||____||| | | | | || | | |__|| | | | |___ | | | | |______||______||__| |_| |_||__| |______| |__| |______||__| |_| _______ _______ ____ _______ _ __ __ _ | _____|| _____| / __ \ |__ __| | | \ \ / / /\ | | | | | | | | \_| | | | | \ \ / / / \ | | | |_____ | |_____ | \___ | | | | \ \ / / / /\ \ | | | _____|| _____| \___ \ | | | | \ \ / / / / \ \ | | | | | | _ | | | | | | \ \/ / / /____\ \ | | | | | |_____ | \__| | | | | | \ / / ________ \ | |____ |_| |_______| \____/ |_| |_| \/ /_/ \_\ |______| _______ _______ | ___ | | ___ | | | |_| | | / | | |_____ | | / | | ___ | | |/ /| | | | | | | / | | | |___| | _ | /__| | |_______| |_| |_______| [ best viewed with a fixed font, because in my day we didn't have these fancy proportional fonts, AND WE SURE AS HECK DIDN'T HAVE LOWERCASE EITHER DAGNABBIT! ] That's right! You know it's the Vintage Computer Festival littering your inbox when you get a message that looks like the intro screen to a BBS from the 1980s. The time has come for those who appreciate the more utilitarian uses of ASCII characters to celebrate another year gone by in computing history. The Vintage Computer Festival celebrates the passing of more great machines into the annals of history, and what better place to celebrate than at the Computer History Museum! The fine folks at the Museum have invited the VCF crew back again for a second year, but this time we get to invade their spacious new 119,000 square foot facility in Mountain View, California, home to the single largest computer history archive on the planet! This is what's happening at this year's Festival: -=[ Xerox Alto 30th Birthday Bash ]=- The Xerox Alto, the computer that introduced us to the Graphical User Interface (GUI) and forever aliented Command-Line Interface (CLI) programmers everywhere, has reached the ripe old age of 30. So we're celebrating it in grand style by having a panel of past and present Xerox PARC (Palo Alto Research Center, the place where the Alto was born) luminaries speak about the development of the Alto. We're also featuring a line-up of classic Xerox machines. The panel speakers so far include John Ellenby, Gary Starkweather, and Mark Bernstein. More panelists are to be announced. Stay tuned! A special Xerox Alto exhibit will accompany the presentation, courtesy of Bruce Damer of the DigiBarn and Xerox computer afficionado Don Woodward (winner of the Best of Show exhibit ribbon at VCF 5.0). The exhibit will include the original Alto, an Alto II XM, and later D* machines including the 8010 "Star", 6085 "Daybreak", and more! Many of these machines will be running, and you'll have a chance to demo them hands-on. You do not want to miss this event! It is not often that you have a chance to experiment with ancient computers that set the paradigm for modern computing and also meet the folks who designed them. -=[ Retro-Code Video Game Programming Challenge ]=- We tried this last year and the results were...interesting. This year we want some verve, some panache, some jois de vive, some ASS-KICKING video games, and we want YOU (yes, YOU) to be involved! Are you ready to take the Retro-Code Challege!? Here's the deal: We'll be providing three classic computers--an Apple //e, an Atari 800, and a Commodore 64. Each will be outfitted with the minimum tools required to design a video game from scratch, including technical reference manuals, general programming reference books, and a disk operating system. We'll turn them on and boot them up, and then turn them over to you. We're going to assemble three teams of programmers. Each team will have three hours to design, from scratch, the most inspiring video game their over-stressed neurons will be able to muster. The team with the best video game at the end of the competition will be awarded with fabulous prizes (OK, we'll give out some consolation prizes to the also-rans ;) The Retro-Code contest will be held on the Saturday of the event and will begin at 2:30PM. Teams will be chosen at 2:15PM, so arrive early if you wish to participate. For more contest details and information, go to: http://www.vintage.org/2003/main/retrocode.php -=[ Computer History Museum Mega Book Sale ]=- Our fabulous sponsors, the Computer History Museum, will be holding a huge book sale on Saturday, October 11, beginning at around 1:30pm. Over 1,000 books covering contemporary technical computer topics will be available. The books were donated to the Museum by a very well-known individual in the computer industry and are intended to be sold to raise money for the Museum's operations. The Museum is also culling duplicate titles from their own library to augment the sale. Many of the books being pulled are very interesting old (1970s and prior) texts on various computer-related topics. If you're a vintage computer bookworm then you won't want to miss this sale. Visit the Museum's website for more information: http://www.computerhistory.org You might also want to check out the Friends of the Palo Alto Library book sale, which features an excellent computer and technical section filled with many fine old computer related texts. Their sale is also on Saturday, October 11, and is being cross-advertised with the book sale at the Museum. Get more information here: http://www.friendspaloaltolib.org/booksale.htm -=[ IMSAI Series Two to be Debuted ]=- Tom Fischer of IMSAI will debut the IMSAI Series Two, a modern-day reincarnation of the venerable IMSAI 8080 computer. The new IMSAI Series Two features the classic IMSAI 8080 cabinet, a newly designed advanced IEEE-696 compatible Programmer's Front Panel, 10-slot active termination IEEE-696 motherboard and a 350 watt switching power supply. It's powered by a Zilog Z8S180 20Mhz microprocessor (backward compatible to the Intel 8080) with 32K Flash memory and 1MB static memory. IMSAI will be exhibiting the new IMSAI products, including a brand new Super I/O S-100 board (Serial, Parallel, IDE and much more!) in the main hall. Also, make sure you catch Tom's talk on Sunday. More information on the IMSAI Series Two can be found here: http://www.imsai.net/products/imsai_series_two.htm -=[ VCF 6.0 Speaker Schedule ]=- We always assemble the most eccelectic bunch of computer history experts and storytellers to entertain you during the morning hours of the event. This year we've really out-done ourselves. We've got THREE tracks of speakers, plus the APL Bay Area Users Group will be holding their October meeting on-site. Here's the current schedule: Saturday, October 11 Time Speaker Topic -------- ------------------- -------------------------------------- 10:00 AM Evan Koblentz History of the PDA 11:00 AM Zbigniew Stachniak Microcomputing in Canada 1973-1983 11:30 AM Christine Finn Collecting the Collectors 12:00 PM Len Shustek Keynote Speech 1:00 PM Xerox Alto Panel Xerox Alto 30th Birthday Bash Sunday, October 12 Time Speaker Topic -------- ------------------- -------------------------------------- 10:00 AM Joey Tuttle A Personal History of the IBM 5100 11:00 AM Forth Panel Using Forth with Vintage Computers 11:30 AM Todd Fischer IMSAI History & the New IMSAI Series 2 12:00 PM Sellam Ismail VCF Shenanigans 12:30 PM Jef Raskin The Humane Interface 01:00 PM Bruce Damer Joys and Trials of Computer Collecting More speakers are to be announced soon! Check the VCF 6.0 speaker's schedule for updates: http://www.vintage.org/2003/main/speaker.php -=[ Exhibit Your Vintage Computer ]=- We're aiming to have the largest number of exhibits ever at the VCF this year, and so we'd still like more! Consider exhibiting your favorite vintage computer at this year's Festival. You might say, "Well, Sellam, I've only got [such-n-such] computer and it's not really that very interesting," to which I would reply, "You're WRONG, fool!" Ok, I won't call you a fool, but you'll be pleasantly surprised at the reaction you'll get exhibiting what you may think to be simply a ho-hum computer, but that others will find pretty fascinating. Make new friends and strike up interesting conversations with people you don't even know. Heck, you may even meet the girl/guy of your dreams!* Exhibit entries will be judged and awarded ribbons in 12 different categories. We'll also award 1st, 2nd and 3rd place ribbons for the Best of Show exhibits, with fabulous prizes including a $100 cash award for the Best of Show exhibit! To register your exhibit, mosey on over to: http://www.vintage.org/2003/main/exhibit.php While there you can also see who else is exhibiting and what they're bringing. * No guarantees; bathe and brush your teeth for better results -=[ Buy, Sell and Trade at the VCF Marketplace ]=- As always, one of the most exciting aspects of the VCF is the Marketplace, where you can find a large and varied assortment of some of the most fantastical old computer thingies anywhere. Find that odd part you've been seeking out for your collection, then touch, smell, even taste it if you like, before haggling out a deal. There is simply no better place to buy and sell vintage computers than at the VCF Marketplace. For more information on selling at VCF 6.0, please visit: http://www.vintage.org/2003/main/vendor.php -=[ Commodore 64 Prototype Up for Auction ]=- VCF 6.0 will feature an auction for the only known prototype Commodore 64 in existence. The auction will be happening in the background on our Vintage Computer Marketplace and will culminate at 3:00 PM on the Sunday of the event. We'll announce the closing price at that time. In the meantime, to get information about this auction (and to participate in the bidding) go to: http://www.vintage.org/special/2003/c64prototype/ As mentioned, the auction is being held on the newly launched Vintage Computer Marketplace. Buy, Sell and Trade vintage computers on this innovative new service. 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22 years, 11 months

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Unibus questions

by doc＠mdrconsult.com

I'm going over the card configuration of a PDP11/84 and reading the online documents, and I'm confused about a couple of things. I need to get squared away on this, as I'm testing some drives needed in production and only have Unibus SDI adapters. Pardon the obvious lack of clue. I've never worked with a Unibus machine before, and don't know the terminology at all. Also, I have a hand-written diagram from someone even less educated than I, so if there isn't a board number with the description, I don't have it or can't clearly read it. I won't physically see the machine till this weekend. First, there's an expansion chassis. It has a terminator card (M9302) in row 7 (starting from 0) in what I assume is slots E-F (front of the rack is A?). OK, I get that, but theres a non-NPG single-slot grant card in row 7 slot C, and in succeeding rows, there are more boards - M9700 or M9100, M105, M7226 in row 8, power and M7821 in row 9, power and M117 in row 10, and M002 in row 11. How is this functional? Is there a reliable way to determine grant configuration without physical examination of the backplane? The machine was [allegedly] very recently running in this configuration, but I don't want to smoke something by counting on that. I'd like to strip the non-essentials for testing. A test setup in a single card cage - base boards plus SDI and RX02 controllers - would save a lot of juice and reduce points of failure. Last, the CPU is an M8190-AE, which lists in Megan Gentry's reference as 11/84 *or* 11/83? So I could drop this pup into a QBus chassis after the SDI drives are tested? What would be the relative merits of doing that? Doc

22 years, 11 months

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New toys

by cb＠mythtech.net

>Yeah, I hate USB as well. It is far from Universal, considering that >very little USB hardware works on a Macintosh due to the lack of >drivers, and even with the proper drivers, it seems to be flakey at >best. What are you trying to run on the Mac via USB? If it is a mouse or joystick, have a look at USB Overdrive. That guy seems to support everything! -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

22 years, 11 months

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Card Reader

by jwstephens＠msm.umr.edu

I have a documation reader that had the classic meltdown of the rollers. Anyone work on those, want to quote a price for a fix? or have reasonable priced unit. I also wish to build up the USB interface for this as well, but that will wait till I have a working specimen in hand. Thanks Jim Stephens

22 years, 11 months

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New toys

by cb＠mythtech.net

>Do they have both a "Reset" and "Interrupt" buttons in the back or just >"Reset"? If the former it's a Lisa 2/10; the latter then it's a Lisa 2 >(upgrade from a Lisa 1). They have both the Interrupt and Reset buttons. So I'm guessing they are the Lisa 2/10. The previous owner told me he thought they were 2/5 as he said there is no internal hard drives. I just opened the front of one, and there is a hard drive in it. So it really looks like they are in fact the 2/10 version. I also have two styles of mice. One is the screw on D shell like the 128 has (with the large fat connector), and the other is the Lisa 1 style spring clip D shell. He said he bought the machines from his company years ago, so I'm not too surprised that there are parts that might not have gone with these specific machines. Both machines have a parallel expansion card in them. Or at least I assume that is what the card is. The one that was hooked up had the Profile drive and printer connected to the two ports on the expansion card. And the ports are labeled with two parallel lines. Why does the Lisa have two serial ports on the machine if they planned on you using parallel ports for the drive and printer? I thought Apple at that time was in the "we give you exactly what you need and nothing more" mode? Or did that attitude go soley with the Mac line? Also, was it normal for there to be an anti-glare screen on the CRTs? Both screens have a fabric feel to them, and when I popped the front off one, it was this screen that sits on the CRT. Was this a normal part, or some extra that was added? And finally, anyone have any idea which power cords shipped with the Lisa 2/10? They came with generic black power cords. Is that what they shipped with, or did they use the beige right angle plug like the early Macs did? I have a box of Apple logo cords and if I have the right ones, I'd like to match them up. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

22 years, 11 months

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IBM System/23 problems

by cb＠mythtech.net

> Also, once I get this machine working >again, I will need to find some software for it. I would assume that >there is no place to download System/23 software, I did just find yesterday another box of 8" disks. This box has the Customer Support Disks in it. That set of disks has assorted tools and software. They aren't original disks, but rather duplicates. I just have to find out if the System 23 software is usable on my 5110. If not, then I'll be offering up the remaining System 23 stuff (8" disks, and an almost complete set of manuals... one of the volume binders is missing its contents, and none of the original disks are to be found, but I think I have copies of all refered to disks in the box I just located. The remaining manuals appear to be complete). -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

22 years, 11 months

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IBM System/23 problems

by cb＠mythtech.net

>Nope. BASIC programs could possibly be translated, but the 5110 won't >read them from disk so you'd have to either retype them or transfer them >serially. That's what I thought, but before I got rid of the System 23 software, I figured I'd check. Now I just have to figure out which disks of programs were for the 5110 and which were for the System 23. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

22 years, 11 months

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Unibus/Qbus board/edge connectors

by emu＠ecubics.com

Hi all, Anybody knows, if they are still available somewhere ? Order number ? (I'm talking about the connectors on the backplanes, with .125" spacing) cheers & thanks

22 years, 11 months

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Reviving and connecting an ASR33

by n8uhn＠yahoo.com

If i remember right, only four wires are used in the current loop interface. two for xmit and two for rcve. most tty's did 180 baud or near it. the best way i have found to interface it, is to get one of the orignal ibm pc xt 8 bit, 1 port serial cards (the ones with the db-25 connector on the back). consult the instructions (i have a copy of those here somewhere) reverse the jumber pack for current loop and connect the proper pins for current loop too. that usually works for me. Bill __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com

22 years, 11 months

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Seeking TRS 80 III cables

by billdeg＠degnanco.com

I am looking for the cables to attach a 180K internal diskette drive to a working TRS 80 model III computer. Anyone have one for sale/trade? I am also looking for schematic so I can follow during install process. All I have is the drive itself. Bill Wilmington, Delaware.

22 years, 11 months

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old shtuff

by waltje＠pdp11.nl

Hiyas, While going through the (many, sigh) boxes of old crap, trying to find the manual for the AST FourPort card, I found my good old Irwin tape drive again... I already have about 120 tapes in the machine room (I always managed to keep those "with" all the other tapes..) which contain a lot of old software. So.. does anyone still have these drives? I can probably go and resurrect my old 286/20 machine (to which the drive was once connected ;) and install a fresh copy of DOS on that, but I probably also need the software for it... I remember I used both their "old" system (FIP, I believe) and their new stuff, EZ-TAPE I believe.... Oh.. and anyone able to feed me info on the (&(#$^(#^ AST card should report in for duty asap :) Cheers, Fred -- Fred N. van Kempen, DEC (Digital Equipment Corporation) Collector/Archivist Visit the VAXlab Project at http://www.pdp11.nl/VAXlab/ Visit the Archives at http://www.pdp11.nl/ Email: waltje(a)pdp11.nl BUSSUM, THE NETHERLANDS / Sunnyvale, CA, USA

22 years, 11 months

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Manuals for the postage

by TRASH3＠splab.cas.neu.edu

O.K. All the manuals went out Friday to Al to scan. With the exception of the heathkit manuals, a clearpoint manual and the vt103 configuration guide, each of the manuals were requested specifically by only one person, so we can send them out right after scanning. I have to go through my email, but I think that for the clearpoint and vt103 manuals, the second person said the electronic version would be o.k., so no copies are needed there either, unless somebody wants to make a paper copy. and finally, there was an offer to make 5 copies of all the heathkit stuff, so at least everybody will have a copy, and the first person on my list will get the original. I'll contact the interested people offline with the latest updates on where we stand on distribution. thanks joe heck

22 years, 11 months

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New toys

by cb＠mythtech.net

> Or how about "My other computer was made in 1978" or "My other computer >cost $4,000... in 1978"? "I've got Lisa at home with a mouse in her ass"? :-) -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

22 years, 11 months

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New toys

by cb＠mythtech.net

WOOHOOO!!! I just aquired two Apple Lisa 2 units. Both are complete with Profile drives and printers (as well as keyboard and mouse). Plus a spare Profile drive, and an assortment of software. I think this makes up for the otherwise crappy year I've been having!!! WOOHOO!!! -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

22 years, 11 months

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HP2000 progress

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

In the great HP2000 rebuild project, thanks to a huge bevy of spare parts >from Bill, the IOP is now again singing with 32Kw! Yes, a happy snoopy dance was performed :) Now it's on to resurrecting a 7905 in a lowboy cabinet. Can't decide if I will use only 13037 style drives, or stick with multiple 7900's (or both). That should pretty much finish the runnable system restoration. Then the only thing left will be the refurb of the 2610 printer, and the 7261 mark sense card reader, but those certainly aren't required to run the system. Thanks Bill!!! Jay West --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus]

22 years, 11 months

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Moving a System/34

by norm-classiccmp＠docnorm.com

Hi, folks. I just bought an IBM System/34 that's currently in Pennsylvania, and I need to move it to the Bay Area. Finding an appropriate shipper is not my problem (I've been through *that* enough). However, does anyone know what steps I should take to secure this system for shipping? I'm worried in particular about its hard disks -- it would seem very IBM-ish to have a manual way to park and secure the heads. I appreciate any help! Norm

22 years, 11 months

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New toys

by cb＠mythtech.net

>Started up the collection again huh Never really stopped collecting, just refocused by force (being evicted >from your storage area tends to do that) I've abonded pretty much all non Apple stuff (except my IBM 5110), and in the Mac front, I'm going only with certain machines (rare, or interesting to me). Although even in the Apple end of things, I unloaded stuff that I figure will be a long time if ever before I can put them to use (like my Apple III software since I have no Apple III) I also couldn't pass up a deal on a Lisa... I've been after one for years, and now I have two! (no idea where I'm going to put them however... but I'll find somewhere) -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

22 years, 11 months

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SUMMARY: PC memory managers (was: PC/MOS et al)

by waltje＠pdp11.nl

Hi all, Thanks to all who sent me their Complete Archives(tm) of whatever brand of PC DOS memory manager they were once using... I now have a fair selection of Qemm, 386MAX and whatnot :) The bad news was... it didn't work. Qemm6 would work, but make the box unstable. MAX and Qemm7 didnt work at all, they froze as soon as they were loaded. Not good. At some point I also noticed the box was acting strangely when heavy network traffic ocurred, *and* that it never showed me the Adaptec's BIOS banner. So... I decided to swap the (DOS) disk into another PC, and try again. Lo and behold... it works. Both Qemm7 and MAX work, and the network card behaves, AND the Adaptec lives :) Looks like I had a sick PC to work with... Said PC is now running DOS 6.22 with the memory manager, MS LANMAN client (using NDIS 2.0 driver and packet driver stub), with a full (licensed) copy of Ersatz-11 on top of that, emulating: - PDP-11/83, 4MB RAM - RQDX3 disk controller - 2x RD54 (160MB) disk - 1x RX50 diskette (emulated to 5.25" HD disk drive) - 1x RX33 diskette (emulated to same) - 1x TQK50 controller with TK50 drive, emulated to TZ30 drive on the Adaptec 1542CP. - 1x TSV05 tape drive, emuated to HP 7980S drive on Adaptec. - 1x DELQA ethernet controller, emulated to E100B through packet driver on top of NDIS stub (yay! ;-) - 1x DZV11 4-port async contr emulated by AST FourPort/XM ISA controller which I re-found in a box of crap ;-) The "machine" is now happily installing Ultrix-11 V3.2 from tape. Real tape, even. Yaaaay! Soon to be online as eagle.pdp11.nl. Cheers, and thanks to all who helped, Fred -- Fred N. van Kempen, DEC (Digital Equipment Corporation) Collector/Archivist Visit the VAXlab Project at http://www.pdp11.nl/VAXlab/ Visit the Archives at http://www.pdp11.nl/ Email: waltje(a)pdp11.nl BUSSUM, THE NETHERLANDS / Sunnyvale, CA, USA

22 years, 11 months

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SGI Cable...

by lbickley＠bickleywest.com

Does anyone have the cable that goes from an Indy Presenter Adapter or an Octane Presenter Adapter to a Presenter 1280? [Technically it's an LVDS video cable, 68 pin, MDR to LDI, OEM'ed for SGI by a company called "SMS"]. I'd be glad to pay a modest sum and shipping for the critter. Thanks, Lyle -- Lyle Bickley Mountain View, CA 94040 "Black holes are where God is dividing by zero"

22 years, 11 months

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Apple IIe 3.5 inch FDD

by adamg＠pobox.com

SmartPort 3.5" drives aren't too hard to come by, but I believe the IIe can't use them, and requires UniDisk 3.5" drives instead. For technical information I would start with Apple's old Tech Notes, which are now available on the web. Some of Apple's Technical Reference Manuals might also help. Although DOS 3.3 can't support 3.5" drives out of the box, there are a number of hacks to add this capability (I think one of them was called Diversi-DOS?) To use a standard Shugart-interface 3.5" drive to read and write GCR format floppies on the Apple, you'd need to implement the whole disk controller from scratch. The Apple 3.5" drives had the controller inside the drive, like an IDE or SCSI hard drive does; you'd need to reimplement it. Much easier to just buy one :-). It _is_ possible to use a standard drive mech, though. To deal with the fact that the mech isn't designed for ZBR, you simply change the controller's clock speed as you seek. The next step down in terms of difficulty is to take an off-the-shelf NEC 765 based floppy controller, interface it to the Apple with a bit of glue logic, and write a ROM that talks to it. This means you'd be writing in MFM format, incompatible with real Apple drives. If you want to be really nasty, you could consider that the Apple 5.25" disk interface and the Shugart interface both are at the level of flux transitions and motor steps... The circuitry to make a Shugart interface 3.5" drive look like an Apple 5.25" drive would not be too complicated. You'd get 280K per 3.5" disk and the disks would be in a format totally incompatible with everything. Or you could just buy some 5.25" disks. -- Adam

22 years, 11 months

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Weekend finds in Tulsa and St. Louis

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

Stopped in Tulsa Saturday for their first annual Gamer show and it was small but fun. Picked up a few items for the gaming collection. Also Sunday as we were leaving we stopped at 2 flea markets and a thrift store there in Tulsa. Here's a short list: 2- Neo Geo's one black and one blue, I left a silver one as it was damaged. Got one game cartridge. A new still sealed copy of Custer's Revenge by Mystique. A Timex Sinclair 1500. A handheld game called baseball2 by Entex from 1979. A Sears electronic Basketball handheld from 1980. A MERLIN handheld. Many cartridges for various machines like the Vic 20, 2600, Atari 400, N64, Talking Whiz-Kid, NES, PSOne, and others. A Compaq C120+ PDA with everything. Many more items then can be listed for now as I have still not unpacked everything. While in St. Louis at a thrift there I got a new in the box Cisco 1700 router for $24.95 ( I did a Google and it goes from $600 to $950 used and $900+ to $1200+ new). Sorry off topic but it was a sweet deal. Picked up a few other items while in St. Louis also.

22 years, 11 months

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WTB - Nintendo & Punchout

by cb＠mythtech.net

>AFAIK, there's a 5200 and there's a 7800. But I've never >heard of a 5800 ... did I miss one somewhere? You know, I never realized that before. Atari had the 2600, then the 5200 (2600 x2) then the 7800 (2600 x3) Was the 2600 a number picked for a reason? Something that was doubled and then tripled in later models? Or were they just a bunch of phone phreaks that designed the first one :-) -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

22 years, 11 months

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SOL-20 on e-bay

by jontitus＠comcast.net

Folks, I just put a nice SOL-20 computer on e-bay as item #2754896139. I also put an original Microsoft 2-button mouse (circa 1983) on e-bay, item #2754897096. Jon Jon Titus Milford, MA E-mail: jontitus(a)comcast.net

22 years, 11 months

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WTB - Nintendo & Punchout

by Joel.E.Bradley＠syntegra.com

Being that there was a recent discussion about 2600's (I have the 5800!), I am actually looking for an original working NES system with the game "Punchout" . I never had a NES growing up!!! :( e-mail me directly at joel.bradley(a)comcast.net Joel

22 years, 11 months

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Reviving and connecting an ASR33

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Sep 22, 20:23, Ian Primus wrote: > Hmm, if it sends all characters as uppercase, I will need some way to > change the PC to recognize that and convert it all back to lowercase or > something, since all of the UNIX commands are lower case. I assume > there is probably a setting in Linux somewhere to do that. At least > it's ASCII and not Baudot. That would be lots of fun... On old versions of unix, if the username and password you typed was all upper-case, it assumed you were using an uppercase-only teletype and set things accordingly. I doubt if Lunix includes that code :-) However, you should be able to do "stty tty33" which should set xcase, iuclc, olcuc, the correct delays for carriage-return and linefeed, and allow mark parity. I'm not sure how you type the stty command in the first place, though :-) You'll probably have to change /etc/gettydefs. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

22 years, 11 months

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Atari 2600 for $600

by cb＠mythtech.net

>Are you talking about Stella? Yup, thats the one I use >But one of the problems with playing on your computer is the screen size... >Playing on a 31" TV or projection TV is *much* nicer. :) Plus it is >easier to use a *real* joystick to paddle. Yes, these are two very good reasons to use the real thing. (and of course, its just cooler to use the real thing, but when space it tight, at least the emulator lets you play) >There is also the CuttleCart, which allows you to play downloaded ROMs on >a real 2600. Humm.... that sounds like something I want to locate. :-) -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

22 years, 11 months

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Atari 2600 for $600

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 9/23/2003 11:47:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time, teoz(a)neo.rr.com writes: << > Are you talking about Stella? > > But one of the problems with playing on your computer is the screen size... > Playing on a 31" TV or projection TV is *much* nicer. :) Plus it is > easier to use a *real* joystick to paddle. (No adapter required). > There is also the CuttleCart, which allows you to play downloaded ROMs on > a real 2600. :) > > Cheers, > > Bryan > Nothing beats playing the original games on the real hardware (wether its a 2600, amiga, c64, arcade game etc). I have an original 2600 with maybe 20 original carts, I also have the atari 2600 emu with every cart made on my dreamcast console. I like the real 2600 better because of the joystick and paddle control, but use the dreamcast for the games I dont have. >> ah, there's nothing like cursing out a flaky joystick in the heat of battle. ha ha. I've got several joysticks with much better action than the Atari ones.

22 years, 11 months

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Kennedy 9600 (A) woes

by waltje＠pdp11.nl

Hiyas, Does anyone have experience with troubleshooting Kennedy tape drives? I have a 9600A here (still needed for reading in that darned UNIX tape...) and although it seems to work, it does fail one of its self tests (FAIL 153, second code is A50-NRZ1) and indeed does not read tapes, *nor* does it "see" the write enable rings. All other things seem to work fine. Any help would be muchly appreciated... if anyone has a scanned manual for it, that would even be better ! Cheers, Fred -- Fred N. van Kempen, DEC (Digital Equipment Corporation) Collector/Archivist Visit the VAXlab Project at http://www.pdp11.nl/VAXlab/ Visit the Archives at http://www.pdp11.nl/ Email: waltje(a)pdp11.nl BUSSUM, THE NETHERLANDS / Sunnyvale, CA, USA

22 years, 11 months

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Apple IIe 3.5 inch FDD

by r_beaudry＠hotmail.com

> Is it possibl;e to modify a standard IBM 3.5 inch FDD to > work with the apple?? As other pointed out, no.... > I understand the Apple II uses a > special drive interface, can this be conected up to the 3.5 inch drive > hardware and be used to drive them?? You can't hook up a Disk II or 5.25" controller to a 3.5" disk drive.. However, a 3.5" drive can be used in an Apple IIe (not sure about II, II+). There are two possible combinations: - Apple sold a drive called a UniDisk 3.5. This drive had a processor and buffer memory inside the case to allow it to buffer and effectively slow down the data transfer rate to the point where the Apple IIe could handle it. You still need to get a special controller card (often referred to as a "LIRON" card, because the word was silkscreened on the card). - Apple also sold a 3.5" drive controller card that had the processor/buffers/logic on the card, so you could use the standard 800KB drives from an Apple IIgs in an Apple IIe. This card also had the capability to drive Macintosh 1.44MB drives (so you could get 1.44MB on an Apple IIe!!). Coincidentally, I have one of these for auction on eBay right now (search for seller "rbeaudry") :-). You'd still need to get drives, but Apple IIgs 800KB drives are cheap and plentiful (in fact, I have several spares I could make available). Confusingly, both card were named by Apple as "3.5 controller cards", so be careful when looking fo rthem that you get the right card/drive combination.... Rich B.

22 years, 11 months

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HSJ50 Controllers

by dittman＠dittman.net

Does anyone have any HSJ50 controllers? I need to get new firmware for mine since I can't read either of the cards that came with them. If you have firmware and have access to a Windows 98/2000/XP system with a PCMCIA slot there's software that can read and write the cards. -- Eric Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net

22 years, 11 months

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Atari 2600 for $600

by cb＠mythtech.net

>speaking of such, anyone got an extra 2600 console? Mine died, and I want to >play river raid pretty badly! There is at least one emulator for the 2600 that I know of. I tend to play all my favorite games that way. Its easier than chewing up space with the 2600 itself (and I have a MUCH bigger collection of game ROMS than I ever had of carts) -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

22 years, 11 months

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CGA monitors available for pickup

by cb＠mythtech.net

> You still have any CGA monitors left? I've got a stack of Atari PC-1's >and I'd like to pair them up with some CGA/EGA monitors so I can sell/trade >them more easily with people. Um... sort of. They are in the bottom of the dumpster outside. Its raining pretty heavy right now, and there is garbage and assorted other stuff on top. If you really want one, you are welcome to come dig thru the dumpster. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

22 years, 11 months

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AD200 data aquisition card

by t.stevens＠stcs.de

Hello Mr Brown, i just stumbled over your message about having an Infotek AD200 card from May 3 2003 i would be interested if you still have the card and if so, are willing to sell it to us. pls let us know what you think. best regards Theo Stevens -------------------------------------------------- STCS GmbH Neckarstr. 12-14 65239 Hochheim/Main Tel +49 6146 8219-6 Fax +49 6146 8219-99 email t.stevens(a)stcs.de

22 years, 11 months

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Digital Celbris XL5100DP computer

by cb＠mythtech.net

>Is this a native SCSI? >If so I could probably take it. 50-50. It looks like it does have onboard SCSI. At least there is an external SCSI port, so I'm assuming there is probably an internal one as well. If you want it, its yours. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

22 years, 11 months

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Digital Celbris XL5100DP computer

by cb＠mythtech.net

I'm not sure this is really on topic yet, but I know there are a bunch of DEC fans on the list. I have a Digital Celbris XL5100DP computer here. It looks to be a fairly standard Pentium PC, except that its processor daughtercard has room for a 2nd CPU (I'm assuming the DP in the name is Dual Processor). Its currently untested, but I believe that it works (IIRC, the person that gave it to me said it works, I've never done anything with it since I got it) Is this something anyone is interested in? Being that it is dual processor and DEC, I felt I should specifically list it and offer it before I toss it. Its a mini tower case, and weighs about the same as a normal WinTel mini tower PC. I'd rather it be a pickup item, but if there is a DEC fan that *simply has to have it*, I'm sure we can work something out with shipping. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Apple IIe 3.5 inch FDD

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 9/23/2003 8:03:15 AM Eastern Daylight Time, r_beaudry(a)hotmail.com writes: << > Is it possibl;e to modify a standard IBM 3.5 inch FDD to > work with the apple?? As other pointed out, no.... > I understand the Apple II uses a > special drive interface, can this be conected up to the 3.5 inch drive > hardware and be used to drive them?? You can't hook up a Disk II or 5.25" controller to a 3.5" disk drive.. However, a 3.5" drive can be used in an Apple IIe (not sure about II, II+). There are two possible combinations: - Apple sold a drive called a UniDisk 3.5. This drive had a processor and buffer memory inside the case to allow it to buffer and effectively slow down the data transfer rate to the point where the Apple IIe could handle it. You still need to get a special controller card (often referred to as a "LIRON" card, because the word was silkscreened on the card). >> There was also a controller card called the UDC made by Laser computer (IIRC) that could run various combinations of 5.25 and 3.5 drives. Shouldve got one back then.

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Dual-Processor PCI/MCA PC's

by vance＠neurotica.com

Anyone want these two dual-processor Pentium PCI/MCA servers I have here? They have some sort of TP ethernet on the motherboard, and they have some form of wide SCSI, along with hotswap drive cages, and I have a full load of trays for them. All in all, pretty nice systems. They are IBM PC Server 320's (8640-MDV). There's still reference disk and BIOS downloads available for them on ftp.pc.ibm.com. I'd hate to see these go to waste, but I need the space. If you feel like throwing a couple of dollars at me for them, it would be appreciated, as I am out of work right now, but it is not required nor expected. Peace... Sridhar

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V5.01A Distribution of RT-11

by jhfinexgs2＠compsys.to

Does anyone have access to V5.01A of RT-11? I would prefer the RL02 image which has a Volume ID / Owner of: BC-P607C-BC RL2 1/1 However, any other media would be great if the RL02 image is not available! I already have V5.00, V5.01, V5.01C (V5.01B does not exist) and V5.02 of RT-11. So it is ONLY V5.01A of RT-11 that I do not have. Sincerely yours, Jerome Fine -- If you attempted to send a reply and the original e-mail address has been discontinued due a high volume of junk e-mail, then the semi-permanent e-mail address can be obtained by replacing the four characters preceding the 'at' with the four digits of the current year.

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Old Computer Usage

by n8uhn＠yahoo.com

My Ibm ps/2 286 desktop and gateway 2000 486 laptop are used on a regular basis to program motorola two way radios and plc's. the laptop is used in the field also. alot of the early plc's (programable logic controller) and programable radios (from ge and motorola) use software from the pre 486 era and cannot run on a pc faster then a 486 - some won't run on anything faster the a 386. the i/o and proc speed on a 486 and up is just too fast for the software and the "slowdown" software that put's the cpu into a time wasting loop causes even more prob's. i also dust off the ibm pc/xt every now and then to play all the early games and game clones that wont run on anything faster in it's orignal release. Bill Message: 4 Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 21:45:10 -0700 From: Bryan Blackburn <oldcomp(a)cox.net> Subject: Re: Old Computer Usage To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Message-ID: <3F6BDB56.8070004(a)cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed My Mark 8 and Kim-1 computers run 24/7 doing fun stuff, and I have a Digital Group computer that I use for games and a little programming. My 286 AT clone does chip programming. -Bryan Robert Little wrote: > Okay, just a quick show of hands... > How many of us out there actually use the systems we > have on a fairly regular basis? Personally, all of my > systems are used regularly. For instance, my Toshiba > T1800 has software that can only run at a useful speed > on a 386, my battery of Macs are dedicated astronomy > and graphics machines and I even use an Apple IIgs for > planetarium programming, not counting the Tandy Model > 102 that I use as my erstwhile PDA. > Curious, > > Rob > > ===== > Robert Little > Astronomy & Space Educator > Talcott Mountain Science Center > Avon, CT > > "I have loved the stars too dearly to be fearful of the night..." > Sarah Williams > "The Old Astronomer to His Pupil" > ------------------------------ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com

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Suggestions On A PDP-12 Hunt?

by ohh＠drizzle.com

Hi, all. So it's like this: I've decided, for reasons which even I don't quite understand, that I should find a computer to restore to keep my old PDP-8/I from getting lonely, and (to keep things complicated) that the new machine should be a PDP-12. It's not _quite_ as involved as searching for the Holy Grail, but they're certainly not common. :) I've been going (by phone and e-mail) to check in a lot of the usual places - electronic surplus stores, university surplus, and so forth - and have also started checking around with neurologists and neurology departments, since I gather the -12s were popular choices in neurological research. So far I've had a few good-sounding leads which haven't gone anywhere useful. But it's still early in the search. I'm open to suggestions. :) Anyone have any good ideas, leads or recommendations on where else to look? (It need not be a working one, since I'm planning to restore it anyway.) (O'course, if anyone has a PDP-12 they're willing to consider parting with, I'd certainly be amenable to discussing it... <grin!>) Suggestions? -O.-

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Prototype Commodore 64 up for auction

by vcf＠siconic.com

I got sick of auctioning off Apple-1's so I thought I'd come up with something else equally as interesting :) Check out this prototype Commodore 64 auction: http://www.vintage.org/special/2003/c64prototype/ -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ]

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Reviving and connecting an ASR33

by ian_primus＠yahoo.com

Yesterday, I got an ASR33 teletype machine. So far, I have cleaned it a little, checked that everything seems to be oiled well, and fired it up. It seems to work well. All the characters print, and the type seems clear, although I need to clean the type assembly. The rubber hammer is still intact, but it is very soft, almost like a blob of silly putty. It held up well enough for testing, but I will soon replace that with a rubber foot as someone else on the list suggested. The tape punch seems to work fine too, I don't have any paper tape, so I trimmed some computer paper into strips for testing. I am having a couple of problems with it though: The paper tape reader doesn't seem to work. There is also a good chance that I don't know how to operate the paper tape reader... I punched a strip of paper with a string of text, then put it into the reader, and threw the switch next to the reader into the "Start" position. The teletype makes a lot of rattleing, but the tape doesn't run through the reader, and nothing prints. Some of the keys are cracked. A couple of the keytops have cracked out >from the lettering, most notably the "Break" key, which gets stuck down because it is now slightly wider. The space bar sticks a little, and occasionally gets stuck down. Not far enough to jam, but far enough that hitting it again won't make a space, but typing other keys seems to jiggle it loose. It's like the spring or whatever recoil mechanism is loose or broken. The paper advance knob is cracked. I think I can glue it, but otherwise I will need to track down another. The cover is cracked, but that isn't really a big deal. I should be able to glue it back together. What type of glue is recommended for teletype plastic? Just regular wacky glue, or some sort of epoxy? The paper tape punch has quite a buildup of chad above the punch. It doesn't seem to be going down into the black tube at all. Is this normal? Also, what can I do about the chad, since I don't have the stand. I have the chad box, but I can't really attach it without the stand. I'll probably end up building something for it, or maybe propping it up with some blocks of wood so I can fit something under there, but weren't there desk models of the ASR33? What did they do with the chad? I also have some general teletype questions: What can I use for tape? I have access to a very powerful paper cutter, the kind that can cut a ream of paper cleanly in half. Can I just take some junk fanfold computer paper and cut it into strips? I know that some paper tape was fanfold like that, but I don't know if the perforations would tear apart too easily or not Likewise, what can I use for paper? Right now, I have just been loading single sheets of computer paper in, but I should just be able to remove the tractor holes from fanfold computer paper and run that through, right? Is the teletype capable of moving back a space? "Rubout" doesn't move the print head back, but I don't know if it should. I know the teletype can't erase, but I don't know if it can move backward. Where should I oil the mechanism? Right now, everything looks OK, but I should probably lubricate it someplace periodically, right? Similarly, what sort of oil should I use? Just regular household oil, or something lighter/heavier? Obviously not WD-40, however... What's the best way to clean the type cylinder? It is pretty dirty, but I am almost afraid to take it off to clean it, lest I get it on crooked or backward. I know I have cleaned the type bars on typewriters by just using an old toothbrush and some toothpicks to get the gunk out of the "O", etc. I would assume the same principle applies here, too. The platten is pretty hard. It works, but is there a way of replacing it, or maybe a way of reviving the rubber? I have heard of people reviving the plattens on old typewriters with some method. It's probably more trouble that it's worth, but I would like to hear what people have to say. And, of course, the inevitable question, how do I connect it to something? It has a cable fitted to it which I understand should be a current loop interface. It is a funny little six pin rectangular connector. I have found information on how to connect current loop to RS-232, but what pin does what? Was there a standard? I would very much like to be able to plug the teletype into a UNIX box or something, or maybe the Prime, but for any of those, I would need RS-232. Also, since the teletype can only print upper case, how does it render incoming text? Does it just ignore all lowercase characters, or does it print them uppercase? Does it send all uppercase or all lowercase? I have a Teleray terminal that renders all lowercase characters as uppercase, and uppercase as weird symbols, so I'm not sure what the teletype does. Thanks in advance! Ian Primus ian_primus(a)yahoo.com

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Atari 2600 for $600

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 9/22/2003 6:37:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time, musicman38(a)comcast.net writes: I bet if I dug through all my old Atari 2600 stuff, I could easly come up with 100 different cartridges. I used to buy these at yard sales everytime I saw then cheep. My last find at a yard sale was a mint 2600 still in the original box, and about 25 Carts all for $5.. He He !! speaking of such, anyone got an extra 2600 console? Mine died, and I want to play river raid pretty badly!

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Darnit! UDA50 problem.

by gunther＠aurora.regenstrief.org

I wish the classiccmp archives were back online for in 1997 Daniel A. Seagraves has similar issues. My VAX 11/780 still hasn't booted, I just can't seem to be able to close the loop to proper UDA50 use. Today I checked the UNIBUS backplane NPG wiring and I found that the CA1-CA2 jumper was under slot 2,3,4,6 and 8 while there was no such jumper under slot 5. Since the first 4 slots were all full with those standard printer and serial interface I left those alone and placed M7485 in slot 5 and M7486 in slot 6. Before I had it reversed. My UDA50 user guide seems to imply that the usual arrangement is first M7486 and the M7485, however, this is not stated in writing (only in pictures.) What is stated in writing is that the M7485 absolutely must have that NPG jumper removed whereas for M7486 it didn't matter. They go on saying that if NPG jumper is removed for both slots, then the two cards can be swapped into either order. I concluded that I could swap them as long as M7485 has the NPG jumper removed, hence I could make that arrangement without having to actually cut a wire on the backplane. Both cards now show the idle cycling-pattern, no errors, but also no reaction to the host computer when I try to make it boot. I guess now the question is: is any of my assumptions wrong about the ordering of the two UDA50 modules? And: did I set the right UNIBUS address and does my DUABOO.CMD file actually use that same address. Is there any simple way of manually testing the UNIBUS address by DEPOSITing some machine program to read out some UNIBUS register so that I can scan the bus to check the right address rather than having to rely on me making no mistakes? thanks, -Gunther

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[TCA] 4AP1 specs? (fwd)

by aw288＠osfn.org

For those interested... ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 21:30:10 -0700 From: Ludwell Sibley <t*belore(a)internetcds.com> To: tubecollectorsassociation(a)yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [TCA] 4AP1 specs? William Donzelli wrote: >I have a request for specs for the 4AP1 CRT. Certainly an oddball. > >Help? > >William Donzelli >aw288(a)osfn.org > > >Visit the TCA web page at: http://www.tubecollectors.org >Visit the TCA YahooGroups page at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tubecollectorsassociation/ > >To Post a message: tubecollectorsassociation(a)yahoogroups.com >To Subscribe: tubecollectorsassociation-subscribe(a)yahoogroups.com >To Unsubscribe: tubecollectorsassociation-unsubscribe(a)yahoogroups.com > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > Yo - I have a data sheet, apparently a typed copy of an RCA 8-1/2" x 11" data sheet, on the 4AP10 Skiatron (dark-trace) radar version. The dirt is as follows: Heater 6.3 V @ 0.6 A Mag focus and 40-degree mag deflection Length 14-1/4" overall Anode voltage 9900 max., 8000 min., 9000 typical G2 voltage 500 max, 250 min., 300 typical G1 0 V to -125 V; cutoff to 2 microamps occurs at -45 V Heater-cathode voltage 125 V max Pinout per EIA is 5AN: H - 2 & 8 K - 7 G1 - 5 G2 - 3 Anode - Cap The electron gun is reportedly capable of an unusually fine spot. Lud ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> KnowledgeStorm has over 22,000 B2B technology solutions. The most comprehensive IT buyers' information available. Research, compare, decide. E-Commerce | Application Dev | Accounting-Finance | Healthcare | Project Mgt | Sales-Marketing | More http://us.click.yahoo.com/IMai8D/UYQGAA/cIoLAA/pFfwlB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Visit the TCA web page at: http://www.tubecollectors.org Visit the TCA YahooGroups page at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tubecollectorsassociation/ To Post a message: tubecollectorsassociation(a)yahoogroups.com To Subscribe: tubecollectorsassociation-subscribe(a)yahoogroups.com To Unsubscribe: tubecollectorsassociation-unsubscribe(a)yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

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Atari 2600 for $600

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

Check it out! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2753252186

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CGA monitors available for pickup

by cb＠mythtech.net

I've got a few CGA monitors here that are available if anyone wants to come pick them up. Northern NJ, (Ridgewood, 07450). Last I knew, they worked (there are at least 4, maybe more). -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Disposing of a Collection

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

Does anyone here have any advice on how to go about disposing of a computer collection? The time is well past for me to get serious about it. I want to keep a lot of my DEC gear, but even some of the VMS and PDP-11 related stuff will be going. I don't have time to do anything with most of the stuff I've got, and it's become an anchor around my neck. Ideally I'd like to recover some of the money I've got into the collection, as I've sunk a LOT of money over the past few years into it. One obvious solution is selling the stuff on eBay, but that would take a lot more time than I have. Another would be to call a scrapper that I know, but that doesn't get recover any of the money that I've got into stuff. Ideally I'd like to find someone that would be interested in buying the collection off of me. Zane -- -- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh(a)aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ |

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Heathkit Audio Anlyzer

by raymondsmith＠telus.net

Hi, I came across your questions on the web! I am looking for a manual, or at least the Operators section - anychance you have scanned copy? The model is AA-1. Regards, Ray

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Digital Celbris XL5100DP computer

by cb＠mythtech.net

> I would say yes, but since that's probably only a Pentium 100, my >Prioris 5100 HX MP/4 beats that. Double the (possible) CPU, and twice as >wide. :) Yes, it may be a P100. IIRC, when I was given it, I was told it was a dual 100 MHz Pentium Pro. However, when I checked just before there is only one chip in it, and although I myself have not checked, Sridhar looked at it when taking other stuff over the weekend and said it was not a Pentium Pro chip (maybe he remembers what the speed was). BTW: Dave, I have your tape decks, plus the 2nd matching Sony (so 3 decks total), plus I'm going to test one of the 13" TV/VCR's for you and bring you one with a working TV (none have working VCRs). Looks like I'll be bringing the stuff up some time in Oct... the wife wants to hit Mystic Seaport, and when I was talking about it in front of my brother, he wants to take his kids as well... so it will be a day trip and I'll just swing by to hand you the stuff. (and yes, the 2nd paragraph should be off-list, but I'm too damn lazy to start a different email) -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Reviving and connecting an ASR33

by Robert_Feldman＠jdedwards.com

>> For ABS plastics, a Methylene Chloride based solvent works very very well. >> (It does not work very well for ABS+PC blends, however. I seriously doubt >> you have any ABS+PC in the ARS33 though, since it is a pretty modern >> plastic.) >I repaired mine with MEK. I believe Tenax 7R (which Robert Feldman >mentioned) is based on acetone, so it should be fairly similar. >-- >Pete Peter Turnbull > Network Manager > University of York I checked the MSDS online, and it's Methylene Chloride. Bob

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Research Machines network?

by julesrichardsonuk＠yahoo.co.uk

Hi, I don't suppose anybody happens to know the right value of terminating resistors to use on a Research Machines network? I was thinking of doing a health check on my old 480Z fileserver, but can't remember what values I used last time. I'm almost certain they were 50 ohm, but it'd be nice to know for sure. cheers Jules ===== Backward conditioning: putting saliva in a dog's mouth in an attempt to make a bell ring. ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/

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Old Computer Usage

by dzubint＠vcn.bc.ca

On Thu Sep 18 14:49:22 2003, Robert Little wrote: > Okay, just a quick show of hands... > How many of us out there actually use the systems we > have on a fairly regular basis? Personally, all of my ... (Sorry, I'm a bit late to this thread) This might be stretching the definition of "Old Computer", but... I use my 1978-era TI-57 programmable calculator daily and when I'm stressed out, I still pull out my circa-1989 GameBoy with Tetris or I head to my basement and plug in the Mattel Intellivision for a game or two. My 1989/1990 VAXen get regular use surfing the 'net (I use the Lynx text browser...I'm a die-hard text/command line guy) (although my VAX consoles are fairly new '386 laptops running MS-Kermit) Thomas Dzubin

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Reviving and connecting an ASR33

by Robert_Feldman＠jdedwards.com

For styrene, butyrate, and ABS (and the plastics in HP -- at least calculators and 95/200LX -- and grey Toshiba laptop cases), try Tenax 7R, available at well-supplied hobby shops or mailorder from Micro-Mark (www.micromark.com). It's a water-thin solvent. For wider cracks, you can disolve some plastic in a small amount of solvent and flow that into the crack. -----Original Message----- From: Tothwolf [mailto:tothwolf@concentric.net] Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 3:14 AM To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: Reviving and connecting an ASR33 <snip> Plastic model cement is pretty much useless these days, as they have removed nearly all of the solvent type chemicals from the product. <snip>

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VAX 11/780 is getting ready to run, UDA50 diagnostics, how?

by gunther＠aurora.regenstrief.org

Hi, with great pleasure I can announce that I have my VAX 11/780 almost running. If you search the archives you will recall that I got an error in the microdiagnostics at test 54. If I had only paid attention to what someone had written on the label of the micro diagnostics floppy label: "remove ethernet card or test 54 will fail!". With that card removed, the test succeeded. The basic CPU diagnostics fails since last winter though (failing module: M8230) but other tests are still passing, so I expect I can replace that module later. >From my selfmade DUABOO file the machine does run for a moment but then hangs during the boot and the disk is never accessed. My UDA50 card actually does something: the LED cycling pattern stops and the other LED set signals that it's stuck in phase 3 of something. But hey, that is good news, since it means that the boot process actually talks to the UDA50 on the UNIBUS!!!! Tonight I'm going to check the UNIBUS wiring in section C, where that special bridge needs to be interrupted. This could explain why the UDA50 isn't functioning properly. Now some question to you veterans: I actually have a UDA50 diagnostics floppy and also a DIAG SUPERVISOR floppy. Yet I don't know how to run any of those. Don't even know how to look at the directory of those floppies, because @DIR is a command file that is only on the console floppy. So, how is this diagnostics started? I even have a second RX01 floppy drive installed, just don't know how to use it with the console program (I guess I would like to make myself some copies of the critical floppies before bitrot sets in.) Finally, since I now have the 11/785 board set and KA785 backplane complete, does anyone have the console and diagnostics floppies for the 11/785? thanks,, -Gunther

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3Com EtherLink/MC

by cb＠mythtech.net

Was someone on this list looking for a 3Com EtherLink/MC card? Its an MCA bus Ethernet card with BNC and AUI connectors. I have one. I'm taking offers for it (all offers must be at least $1.00 plus shipping). -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Reviving and connecting an ASR33

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Sep 22, 3:14, Tothwolf wrote: > On Sun, 21 Sep 2003, Ian Primus wrote: > > > The cover is cracked, but that isn't really a big deal. I should be able > > to glue it back together. What type of glue is recommended for teletype > > plastic? Just regular wacky glue, or some sort of epoxy? > > For ABS plastics, a Methylene Chloride based solvent works very very well. > (It does not work very well for ABS+PC blends, however. I seriously doubt > you have any ABS+PC in the ARS33 though, since it is a pretty modern > plastic.) I repaired mine with MEK. I believe Tenax 7R (which Robert Feldman mentioned) is based on acetone, so it should be fairly similar. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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ISO: Cheap/Free rack cabinet

by cb＠mythtech.net

Anyone in the NJ area have a spare rack cabinet they want to part with for cheap or free? I have to consolidate three different groups of servers all into one closet, and I think a rack cabinet may make my life easiest. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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FS: NorthStar Software

by RMaxwell＠atlantissi.com

Chris and Joe: I would like to express my interest in the NorthStar software, with this added little problem: the Horizon I have (free from a ham fleamarket) came with very little: no drives, one bootable disk, original owner's binder and some ACCPAC documentation. The drives were no problem, since the hardware accepted PC-leftover drives without issue. The bootable 5-1/4" floppy I carefully stored in such a safe place I can't find it anymore. I presume it's NDOS - I know it's not CP/M. I'm running Word- and CalcStar on my Kaypro, and I'm presuming that the -Stars you folks have are also CP/M applications... So a bootable N*CP/M disk would be essential to let me get the olde beast back on its feet/wheels/whatever. I'm located in Southern Ontario, Canada (Toronto region), and I'm willing to finance travel arrangements for disks and books - they're probably lighter than the computer itself! Let me know if you can help me out. If not, anybody local interested in a used NorthStar Horizon? I'm already running: Osborne-1 (not doing much since it was the Vancouver TurboBBS 1984-86), Kaypro 2-84 (general purpose terminal, floppy format converter and Ladder game), OSI Superboard (6502 development base for homebrew box), Amstrad PPC512 (packet radio terminal), 6502 homebrew (house watcher, soon to learn X-10), Sharp PC-1211 (BASIC calculator), Macintosh (another free box, previous owner wiped everything, including Netscape) and two '486 PeeCees... (I don't have spare room for non-working boxen :-) Regards, Bob > Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 18:23:03 -0400 > From: chris <cb(a)mythtech.net> > Subject: FS: NorthStar Software > > I found a black boxed set of NorthStar software. The box it marked > InfoStar System, with three binders in it, DataStar, ReportStar, and > ReportStar Reference Manual. > > It appears to be complete, manuals and software. I'm guessing > it is some > kind of database and reporting system. I don't know exactly > what it is as > it has been years since I've even had a NorthStar computer. > > Its available if anyone wants it. Just send me any offer over > the cost of > shipping (must be higher than shipping cost... basically, I've got no > spare time to do things for free). > > If it doesn't sell here, I'll try it on ebay, and then it goes to the > dumpster. > > -chris > <http://www.mythtech.net> > > > Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 18:38:41 -0400 > From: Joe <rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com> > Subject: Re: FS: NorthStar Software > >... > These are companion products to WordStar. They use wordstar > files and are > used for keeping databases and generating reports. There are > a couple of > othe related products; Mail-Merge and CalcStar (IIRC). > > Keep in mind that these are HARD SECTORED floppy disks! I > don't think > they're readable on any system except those that have a NS > disk system. > > I have a couple of NIB NS WordStar packages around here > somewhere. If no > one else wants them I'll add these to the collection. > > Joe > > >

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Kennedy 9610 manual needed (fwd)

by vcf＠siconic.com

Can anyone help this guy out? See below. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 19:11:28 +0100 From: "Davis, Duane -Gil" <Duane.Davis(a)itt.com> To: Vintage Computer Festival <vcf(a)siconic.com> Subject: RE: Kennedy 9610 manual Hi, Thank you for your quick response. I need the manual yesterday. Actually, I have a tape drive that I don't know if the drive is bad, or I have a BIG batch of bad tapes. There are buttons on the front of the drive that are for diagnostics, but I don't know how to run them. Again, thank you for the quick response. Duane Davis -----Original Message----- From: Vintage Computer Festival [mailto:vcf@siconic.com] Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 11:03 AM To: Davis, Duane -Gil Subject: Re: Kennedy 9610 manual On Fri, 19 Sep 2003, Davis, Duane -Gil wrote: > I am trying to locate a manual for a Kennedy 9610 tape drive, hopefully in > pdf format. Hi Duane. I'm sorry but I don't have anything handy. I'm pretty sure I have this manual but it's tucked away in one of hundreds of boxes (I'm still unpacking after a move). How urgently do you need it? -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ]

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DEC Server

by dave＠mitton.com

On 9/19/2003 10:17 AM -0500, cctech-request(a)classiccmp.org wrote: >From: "Antonio Carlini" <arcarlini(a)iee.org> >To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> >Subject: RE: DEC Server >Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 19:15:40 +0100 > > > Also, they used RSX taskbuilder images. Guess they were > > using an 68K cross-assembler setup then.... > >IIRC the last stage of producing a downloadable image for >the various DEMSA images involved sticking a header on >the front which the code referred to as RSX-style or some such. ... old random neurons fired and spat... That may have been for the benefit of the host server's MOP process. It already knew how to download DEC binary files, and someone figured out how to put the new 68K image in the same file format. Dave (a former LKG digit, but not on terminal server team). (this is not what I came to this list to remember...)

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OT: Need HP PhotoSmart 215 driver CD

by vp＠mcs.drexel.edu

Megan <mbg(a)TheWorld.com> wrote: > So, I had to spend more money (only $18, but it is the principle of the > thing) to get what they call the 'quickrestore' CD set. Its too late now for my advice, but here it is for future reference. Whenever I buy a PC I check to see if I can perform a full restore >from the supplied CDs, if I cannot, I call customer support and tell them that the initial install (which happens when you first power up your new PC) failed and can I please have the CDs. If they ask for money, I tell them that I will rather return the entire PC for a refund since I have just purchased it and it is defective. Up till now HP, Compaq and IBM have sent me the CDs for free (IBM in particular sent me the CDs the following morning). BTW Dell sends the correct CDs with the machine. > (here's another gripe -- the 'from factory' condition requires the W/ME > partition to be most of the disk [...] Other install programs allocate the ENTIRE disk to Windows. I use Partition Magic to fix this stupidity. **vp

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Reviving and connecting an ASR33

by aek＠spies.com

> What can I use for tape? oiled paper tape is still available from companies selling numerical control supplies. I'd bought from western numerical controls before: http://www.westnc.com/paptape.html

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Model 100 Disk/Video Interface CAT NO 26-3806

by TheLimey＠aol.com

I have the above item available for sale with the complete computer and software on ebay. The link is http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3432374645

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FS: NorthStar Software

by cb＠mythtech.net

I found a black boxed set of NorthStar software. The box it marked InfoStar System, with three binders in it, DataStar, ReportStar, and ReportStar Reference Manual. It appears to be complete, manuals and software. I'm guessing it is some kind of database and reporting system. I don't know exactly what it is as it has been years since I've even had a NorthStar computer. Its available if anyone wants it. Just send me any offer over the cost of shipping (must be higher than shipping cost... basically, I've got no spare time to do things for free). If it doesn't sell here, I'll try it on ebay, and then it goes to the dumpster. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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hp 5036a TRAINER

by adiez＠dartec.com

Hello, Do you still have this HP microprocessor trainer ? I am interested in learning basic microprocessors and would be interested in purchasing it. I think I can get a Sinclair ZX-80 from a friend, if that is what you absolutely want. Regards, Angel

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More new toys!

by Lee.Davison＠merlincommunications.com

Yet another Commodore calculator for exactly the right price. This time it's a 796M mint in box (not even dusty) and working fully. Just the basic four function, % and memory but in black with 'chrome' highlight on the C= logo and the word Commodore. That's three so far this year for a total of $0.00 8^)= Lee. ________________________________________________________________________ This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star Internet. The service is powered by MessageLabs. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit: http://www.star.net.uk ________________________________________________________________________

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OT: Need HP PhotoSmart 215 driver CD

by mbg＠TheWorld.com

>In this day and age, it's really lame when a company requires you to >order a CD to get your hands on the drivers you need because of >"licensing restrictions". It's even more lame when you try to enter your >ZIP code to order the CD and the website comes back telling you that >you've entered and invalid ZIP code (for any ZIP code entered). No kidding... my windows machine (the only machine I have running windows) recently ate itself and got so corrupted that I could no longer boot. I have backups of my own stuff, but needed to re-install W/ME. I pulled out the Recovery CD and booted it, expecting it to do something. Lo and behold it did nothing. I tried it several times, no joy. I called up Compaq (HP) support about it and ultimately found out that the recovery CD requires a partition on the machine to be usable (I knew it was there and had never touched it myself, but apparently it was too corrupted for the Recovery CD to use). I was totally blown away by the fact that I have a valid license for W/ME, but due to some lame decisions on either Compaq's part, or requirements for M$, no copy of Windows on a CD comes with my machine. So, I had to spend more money (only $18, but it is the principle of the thing) to get what they call the 'quickrestore' CD set. So I get that, and use it to restore the disk to from-factory condition (here's another gripe -- the 'from factory' condition requires the W/ME partition to be most of the disk, with the 2nd partition being an extended partition into which some recovery files are placed. Since it forces this and apparently checks for it, I don't see a way of partitioning the disk such that I can also have Linux). ... where was I ... Oh yeah... now the machine is in 'from-factory' condition, and I have to go through the welcome and setup screens to get to use it. But, the welcome screen doesn't display properly. Parts of it overlay other parts in such a way that I cannot read questions, find buttons to be clicked on, or field names to fill in a registration form. I remember this happening when I first got the machine, and a call to customer support eventually solved it, but since it is several years out of warrantee now, I cannot go that route (without paying for another year's support). I've been using the email support option, but so far all the suggestions (from a support center in India) have not resolved the problem. In fact, they have done little more than suggest I do the same things I've already done... I'm up to 'quick-restoring' the machine 5 times now. Personally, I'd like to see all companies who play such games be the target of a class action suit which would require them to supply to all original purchasers of computer systems true copies of the software which was 'factory installed', and for which the customer supposedly has a license. And if M$ has had anything to do with making them do it, then they should be included in the suit. Megan Gentry Former RT-11 Developer +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | email: mbg at world.std.com | | Member of Technical Staff | megan at savaje.com | | SavaJe Technologies, Inc. | (s/ at /@/) | | 100 Apollo Drive | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ | | Chelmsford, MA 01824 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler | | (978) 256 6521 (DEC '77-'98) | required." - mbg KB1FCA | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+

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OT: Need HP PhotoSmart 215 driver CD

by vcf＠siconic.com

Stupid, stupid, stupid. In this day and age, it's really lame when a company requires you to order a CD to get your hands on the drivers you need because of "licensing restrictions". It's even more lame when you try to enter your ZIP code to order the CD and the website comes back telling you that you've entered and invalid ZIP code (for any ZIP code entered). HP, I fart in your general direction. That being said, does ANYONE have the driver CD for the HP PhotoSmart 215? If so, please contact me. I haven't had any luck finding anything relevant on the web. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ]

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ACW and user ports

by ard＠p850ug1.demon.co.uk

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SEL Lo2000 teleprinter ?

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

Found one of these today. Can anyone tell me about this teleprinter? I found DF3OE'S TELEPRINTER MUSEUM at <www.teleprinter.net/> and it seems to have a lot of information about it but IE locks up EVERYTIME that I connect to his site. Joe

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OT: Being bombarded by e-mail trojans

by Robert_Feldman＠jdedwards.com

More on Verisign: They have embed a cookie-placing "web bug" in their page that can relay back info http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/32926.html -----Original Message----- From: J.C. Wren [mailto:jcwren@jcwren.com] Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 1:57 PM To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org; Vintage Computer Festival Subject: Re: OT: Being bombarded by e-mail trojans http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/09/19/039214 Already starting to happen. --John On Friday 19 September 2003 14:30 pm, Vintage Computer Festival wrote: > On Fri, 19 Sep 2003, J.C. Wren wrote: > > You realize this is mostly likely because of the way Verisign is > > violating the RFCs, and screwing over the 'net? Those people need to be > > put out of business. > > God damn it. I'm ready to sue. I think I have an actionable claim > against them (as does everyone else who is trying to run a business). > This is really slowing me down.

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current status

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

Geeze, the upgrade was certainly more painful than I expected. There were definitely a few gotcha's that weren't really documented. It would appear that a lot of list traffic used to show with an address of cctalk-admin and cctech-admin. This has apparently changed to cctalk-bounces and cctech-bounces. Please adjust any filters or mail rules that you may have on your end accordingly. The above change caused a problem with the way the two views (cctalk and cctech) of the list were cross-linked. I *THINK* I have this problem fixed, can anyone let me know if they see strangeness in this area directly (offlist). I fixed this about 8:15 CST, so only for posts sent well after that. I'm still wading through things looking for issues (I am sure there is some). Let me know if you see anything! Jay

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Dinosaur Computer Company?

by netsurfer_x1＠fastmailbox.net

I've posted this before, but got no answers. I'm trying again. Has anyone ever heard of a computer company called Dinosaur Computers? I had a friend tell me that such a company existed (with the same name, no less!), but I never found anything. Anyone ever heard of this company? -- David Vohs netsurfer_x1(a)fastmailbox.net -- http://www.fastmail.fm - The professional email service

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Apple Lisa Computers

by jwwrightstone＠worldnet.att.net

Is anyone in the NJ-NY area interested in buying two Apple Lisa Computers (Vintage about 1985-6). I have two computers with external hard disk, printer, software. They are in working condition. If you have any interest in these, please contact me. Wayne

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Looking for DEC parts

by fm.arnold＠gmx.net

>Message: 9 >Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 00:07:02 -0800 (PST) >Subject: Re: Looking for DEC parts >From: "Eric Smith" <eric(a)brouhaha.com> >To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> >Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org > >> These are the parts we are looking for: >> >> 5 pcs. DEC 21-17311-01 or 21-17311-02 >> 2 pcs. DEC 21-17312-00 or 21-17312-01 >> 2 pcs. DEC 57-00001-01 >> 2 pcs. DEC 57-00000-01 >> 2 pcs. DEC 21-15542-01 >> >> Any luck for us ?? > >You might be more likely to get a useful response if you told us what >those parts are. I've got a lot of parts, but I don't have any >inventory by part number. Those chips are: DEC 21-17311-01 or 21-17311-02 = T-11 processor DEC 21-17312-00 or 21-17312-01 = DC 319 DLART DEC 57-00001-01 = KEF11 FIS DEC 57-00000-01 = Ctrl/Data Hybride of 11/23 DEC 21-15542-01 = MMU of 11/23 I have those parts over here, and since both the original poster and myself are located in Germany, I have already dropped them a line and helped them out. Frank Arnold

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GEM

by Daniel.Harris＠cliffordchance.com

Do you still have the old copy of GEM? I'm most interested in packaging, manuals, etc. that refer to it as a windowing environment (as you did in your message). Daniel R. Harris Clifford Chance US, LLP <mailto:daniel.harris@cliffordchance.com> daniel.harris(a)cliffordchance.com 650.858.4373 (direct dial) 650.858.4399 (fax) 650.278.6414 (mobile) ******* This message and any attachment are confidential and may be privileged or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, please telephone or email the sender and delete this message and any attachment from your system. If you are not the intended recipient you must not copy this message or attachment or disclose the contents to any other person. For further information about Clifford Chance please see our website at http://www.cliffordchance.com or refer to any Clifford Chance office.

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[Fwd: DEC TS-11s]

by tponsford＠theriver.com

-------- Original Message -------- Subject: DEC TS-11s Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 22:09:08 -0700 From: Wayne M. Smith <wmsmith(a)earthlink.net> Reply-To: General Discussion: On-Topic Posts Only <cctech(a)classiccmp.org> To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> There's two DEC TS-11 tape drives up for auction at the gov't liquidation site. They're located in beautiful Barstow, CA in case anyone's interested. 2 days, 18 hours to go and no bid yet. http://web.govliquidation.com/auction/view?auctionId=258037&convertTo=US D -W

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RFC: newmember list policy?

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

Question: Anyone can join the list (cctalk or cctech) without moderation, automatically. I was wondering if it might not be good to require an email >from people wanting to join the list - kind of a "letter of introduction" if you will. Something to give them an opportunity to say what they collect, what type of systems they are interested in, that kinda thing. This would serve two purposes. First, this email would be forwarded to the list as an introduction to everyone (not for a vote or anything like that). Second, it would give me a fairly reasonable way to make sure people who join the list are real collectors, or people with a real interest anyway, and not some schmoe wanting to post ads for modern equipment, or harvest list addresses by receiving the traffic. Sure this is not a fool proof thing, but might help alleviate that. In addition, I was considering no longer allowing posts to the list (cctalk) >from unsubscribers. Currently anytime a non member posts to the list it gets flagged for moderation. However, this is taking more and more time of mine to read and approve (reject most) of those. Thus, I was considering making someone join the list before they can post at all, even with moderation of their posts. The downside of this, is on rare occasion, someone (not a collector) posts to the list that they have interesting equipment available, and I don't want to have to make them join the list. Their post would be silently rejected. This doesn't happen often, but who wants to miss a real gem. Please email responses to this directly to me instead of the list. Jay West

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LIST ADMIN

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

Ok, the upgrade took a LOT longer than I thought. I'm still not certain I have everything right. But, I do see emails getting through at least. I'm heading off to get sleep. I will do a little testing tomorrow. As people notice problems, please email me directly. Also - I got enough responses to "Please reply offlist" so no more are needed (and messages with that subject are temporarily dev/nulled) :) Jay

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