- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by msokolov＠ivan.Harhan.ORG

Steve Davidson <steve(a)scshome.net> wrote: > Do you still have the V4.2 source online anywhere? Trying to copy it from > harhan.org is painful at best. If you want it to be less painful, buy me a T1 subscription (would have to be >from WorldCom/UUNET, I have a Class C NET from them and I won't give it up) and a sync serial card for either VAXBI bus or Q22-bus that can handle it. MS

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KL-10 question

by bqt＠update.uu.se

On Mon, 8 Mar 2004 Paul Koning <pkoning(a)equallogic.com> wrote: > >>>>> "Guy" == Guy Sotomayor <ggs(a)shiresoft.com> writes: > > Guy> Hi, Does anyone know how much 3-phase power (at say 220v) a > Guy> KL-10 requires? > > Guy> I just acquired some commercial space to move my collection into > Guy> and I noticed today that there are several 220v 3-phase power > Guy> drops that I hadn't noticed previously. I'm kind of hoping that > Guy> I'll have enough 3-phase to be able to start resurecting my > Guy> KL-10, but I need to know how much I need. > > I remember a big plug rated at probably at least 50 amps. Sounds about right. > One suggestion would be to check the name plates either on the chassis > near the power inlets, or on the power supplies. You might also use > the power cable and plug dimensions as a guideline; find the current > rating of the cable used for the power inlet. That should be somewhat > over the actual amount needed but not massively so -- power syhstem > designers don't usually overdesign cables by large margins. Yes, they do. The VAX8600 was targeted at large IBM sites, so they put in an oversized power cable and receptacle, that was the same as for the IBM equipment they planned to replace. So the 8650 I have here have a cable and receptacle specified for 410V@32A/phase, but it runs just fine on 16A/phase. And our KL-10 sat on this *huge* 410V@63A/phase thingie. That receptacle was just large enough to be silly. And the power cable is not something you carry around in your hand... Johnny Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: bqt(a)update.uu.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol

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Ultrix V4.2 sources et al...

by msokolov＠ivan.Harhan.ORG

Antonio Carlini <arcarlini(a)iee.org> wrote: > The fastest you can get on Qbus is the DSV11. I know, I have one, and I used it for my Inet connection when I lived in Dallas and had a 64 kbit/s DDS line. It's rated for up to 256 kbit/s with one channel active or 64 kbit/s with both channels active. > That can almost > handle 1Mb/s (it fails when fed a constant stream of minimal > length HDLC frames so it was rated at 256kb/s - the next > lower useful speed). Do you have any more details about DSV11 operation above the rated 256 kbit/s? What exactly is the real limit and what are the limiting factors? I have the technical description (EK-DSV11-TD), but it isn't absolutely clear. > The DSB32 is also > not an option if you have a VAX 7000 I'm not using a VAX 7000 (and don't consider it a real VAX thanks to LSB and whatever else they broke in NVAX+ when they fit it into an Alpha pinout), but I'm curious why. I mean, how is DSB32 special? I recently searched for DSB32 on Google and came upon a posting by you saying the same thing, there you also said it had something to do with the way its firmware locked memory. What exactly is wrong with it? Does it strictly follow the VAXBI spec or was it given an exception? Does it use IRCI/UWMCI pairs exactly as the spec says or is it broken? Or is the VAX 7000 kludge the one at fault here in that the memory is not presented to VAXBI as prescribed by chapter 8 of the VAXBI spec (the Must Respond Set for Memory Slave), and DSB32 just happens to be the only device that uses everything that the spec says is allowed? Or will all VAXBI devices that use BVP (interlocked queues) not work on VAX 7000 because its VAXBI interface to memory (through XMI and LSB) does not support IRCI and UWMCI? That would be DSB32, AIE/AIO (DEBNx TK50/TK70/Ethernet), all BI-to-CI adapters, DWBUA if some UNIBUS device accesses memory with DATIP-DATO (which turn into IRCI/UWMCI), what else? You said DMB32 should work, I guess it isn't using interlocked queues. But then again IRCI and UWMCI are the in the Must Respond Set for memory nodes (section 8.2.2), so it would just mean that VAX 7000 is not a real VAX as I've been saying all along. > I suspect that for T1 speeds you'll be stuck using an > Alpha or possibly a DECnis, Well, neither Alpha nor DECnis firmware run 4.3BSD-Quasijarus, so those are not my options (I love my 4.3BSD-Quasijarus based router and won't give it up), but there is one more option: build a new sync serial card! We can even build both Q22-bus and VAXBI versions. MS

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GEEEEEEEEEEZE!

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

Ok I'm extremely irked. Friday afternoon the classiccmp server decided it didn't have a slave drive. It has done this once or twice before, for some reason the system can't see the drive anymore so it flags it as non-existent. Usually after a reboot it goes fine for a few months at least. Most odd. I'm guessing it's the crappy Western Digital 160gb drive I bought. Don't think I'll be getting any more Western Digital for a while. It came back up friday afternoon and I saw a few emails go through the list so I assumed all was well again. Stupid Me. So I promptly decided to ignore the list for the weekend, had a very full weekend with lots of other stuff (work & home) to do. Sunday night I noticed that the list hadn't passed any traffic since friday night. First thing I checked was the drive, but that was ok. It was a very bizzare odd problem. Sendmail appeared to be working fine but mailman wasn't queueing any messages. Both inbound and outbound mail were definitely working though. Odd - the pid files for mailman were dated in the future, but the system date was correct (and had been). I tried pretty much every trick I could think of to no avail. I finally gave up around 1am and said the heck with it, I needed sleep and have some WorkStuff to take care of. Tonight will probably be an all nighter due to a different work-related server issue. I had even tried re-installing mailman 212, figuring a binary got corrupted in the fiasco friday afternoon. No Joy. Looks like all messages were sent to the shunt directory, which means a mailman executable failed. Some message about can't unicode because bytes 0-4 are not cardinal. Ick. So this morning I upgraded to mailman 2.1.4. That seems to have done the trick. Pid files are still dated in the future though. What fun. All appears to be back up and running. I apologize for the extended outtage. You'll forgive me if I ignore this list for a few days, I just don't want to think about the server for a bit. It's self-interest, I figure if I stay away from it for a few days I won't be so ready to unplug it and chuck it out the 2nd story datacenter window. Regards, Jay West --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus]

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Where's Eric? was paging Eric Smith

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

hi all, Eric bought an item that I had on E-bay about 6 weeks ago and I've emailed several times but I haven't gotten a response. After yesterday's posting I heard from a friend of his that also hasn't been able to contact him. Is there anyone in the same area as Eric that can check and find out what's happened to him? I had a phone number for him and I just tried calling it and the guy that answered said that Eric doesn't have that number any longer. It sounded as if he's gotten a lot of calls for Eric. Joe Eric are you out there? If then you need to contact me. I've sent you two E-mails and haven't gotten a reply. Joe

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Anyone familar with the HP 9000 700i Series computers?

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

The title says it all. Joe

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Strange Keyboard

by lyosnorezel＠yahoo.com

Hey ya'll... please take a look at these three pictures: http://geocities.com/lyosnorezel/keyboard1.bmp http://geocities.com/lyosnorezel/keyboard2.bmp http://geocities.com/lyosnorezel/keyboard3.bmp The first two show the keys, the third shows one of two connectors that it apparently interfaces the computer with. The two "plugs" are 8pin jacks... like cat5 but in a wider, more spread out form. The most noteable things about this keyboard are as follows: Interesting Keys: Cancel Move Help Action Over Type Finish Copy Lock Code (instead of ctrl) shift + 6 would give you the "cent" or "penny" sign (a "c" with a line though it) F1, F2, F3, F8, F9, F10 all have lights Return instead of Enter 1/4 1/2 fraction key... 1/4 is on top... key is next to "P" Number pad: GO Next Arrow Pad: Mark Bound Anyone know system this keyboard is from? The only markings are from the company "Datapoint Corporation" "Model No. 93-1222-001" "Serial No. 978870" It's UL and CSA certified. Other then this there are absolutely no markings. Thanks. Lyos Gemini Norezel --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you’re looking for faster.

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Ultrix V4.2 sources et al...

by msokolov＠ivan.Harhan.ORG

Brad Parker <brad(a)heeltoe.com> wrote: > (but amazingly, it keeps going at 115bytes/second; the traceroute makes it > look like it's some sort of dialup) Yes, my connection is a 31200 bps permanently-up circuit-switched connection (I wouldn't call it dialup as regular dialups don't get Class C NETs like I have). I have this service because it is the lowest-priced business Inet service from WorldCom/UUNET (now called MCI). It had to be a *business* service from them in order for me to get a Class C NET from them, and it had to be WorldCom as they were the only ones who just gave it to me without charging me an extra arm and a leg for it. (Also WorldCom was cheaper than all other business Inet services, though again I only considered business services as they are the only ones that give full Class C NETs.) Except for being slow (but that's fair, you get what you pay for), I'm very satisfied with UUNET and won't switch. MS

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R80/RA81 diagnostic experience?

by dwight.elvey＠amd.com

Hi Most all hard disk heads will damage the surface if rotated backwards. This is because the back edge is sharp enough to cut you as well as dig into the surface. Dwight >From: "Johnny Billquist" <bqt(a)update.uu.se> > >On Tue, 9 Mar 2004 Gooijen H <GOOI(a)oce.nl> wrote: > >> I am not sure that removing the brake will help. > >More likely not. In fact, the break is there for a reason. To stop the >drive when spinning down. Otherwise, it will spin for a long time. I also >suspect that the break is engaged until you try to spin the disk up, so >that the disk don't swing back and forth just because you move the drive >around. > >> I once heard the following rumour: >> the brake in combination with the 'heavy' motor >> makes sure that the disk platters always rotate >> in the same direction, never for a short instance >> in the other direction (vibration, power flutter, >> whatever reason). Rotation in the opposite direction, >> for any short moment, will cause the air on which the >> r/w head fly to disappear and result in an immediate >> head crash ... > >Are you suggesting that a platter, weighting several kilograms, spinning >at something like 3600 rpm, suddenly can change spin direction at a >millisecond notice? > >> As I said, it is a rumour I once heard a few years ago. >> Has anybody heard of this too? > >That's one of the more outrageous rumours I've ever heard. :-) >The amount of energy required to do that trick would blow every fuse in >your house, and then some. We're talking about living mass here. Physics, >you know... ;-) > >However, vibration can cause a head crash... > > Johnny > >Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus > || on a psychedelic trip >email: bqt(a)update.uu.se || Reading murder books >pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol >

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R80/RA81 diagnostic experience?

by brad＠heeltoe.com

[resend - looks like original got lost this weekend] Hi, If anyone has diagnostic experience with an R80 or RA81, I'd like to pick your brain a little... If this is better done off line, email is fine. I suspect not everyone is interested on how to revive an R80 :-) (why *I* find it infinitely fascinating is something I'll never understand) I have an R80 which does not spin up or come ready: - All of the voltages are good (all the ones I checked anyway). - The drive belt had come off but I managed to get it back on - I can't seem to get it into diagnostic mode; the 8 leds' on the bottom pcb show 0101 0101 (hex 55). - When it powers up all of the external lights go on and stay on. - if I reset (click the switch ont the pcb to "R", the lights go out - if I then push the run/start it lights and after about 5 seconds the fault light comes on and run/start goes out. - if I push the fault light all lights go on and then the right most one stays on - push fault again and they all go out (I can then repeat the run/start sequence) I'm guessing the above behavior means the micro is operating, but then I set the rotaries to "FF" and hit 'enter' (i.e. put the toggle to 'E') the led's don't change at all. The manual says they should flash and change as a I enter diag mode. I wanted to use diag more to force a spin up but no joy. Does the unit have to be connected to a controller to go into diag mode? I have an RB730 which this connects to. Connecting is does not seem to really change it's behavior. -brad

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Acorn system one on eBay

by e.huininga＠sozawe.groningen.nl

Interesting find on eBay: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2791743282&category=12…

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Ultrix V4.2 sources et al...

by steve＠scshome.net

Hi, Do you still have the V4.2 source online anywhere? Trying to copy it from harhan.org is painful at best. Regards, -Steve Davidson Hollis, NH.

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Interesting Ebay Auctions... Atari, MISC, and Manuals/Books(various)

by lyosnorezel＠yahoo.com

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Interesting Ebay Auctions... Commodore, Apple, TI99/4(A)

by lyosnorezel＠yahoo.com

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Interesting Ebay Auctions... DEC stuff

by lyosnorezel＠yahoo.com

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R80/RA81 diagnostic experience?

by GOOI＠oce.nl

I am not sure that removing the brake will help. I once heard the following rumour: the brake in combination with the 'heavy' motor makes sure that the disk platters always rotate in the same direction, never for a short instance in the other direction (vibration, power flutter, whatever reason). Rotation in the opposite direction, for any short moment, will cause the air on which the r/w head fly to disappear and result in an immediate head crash ... As I said, it is a rumour I once heard a few years ago. Has anybody heard of this too? gd luck with your drive, - Henk, PA8PDP > -----Original Message----- > From: Brad Parker [mailto:brad@heeltoe.com] > Sent: dinsdag 9 maart 2004 2:50 > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > Subject: Re: R80/RA81 diagnostic experience? > > > >Tony Duell wrote: > >> > >>IIRC there's a microswitch which detects that the tensioner > >>lever is in the 'tensioned' position, but nothing more. Of > >>course the drive does check that the spindle is rotating at > >>the right speed when it's spun up. > > I pulled the HDA - the belt tension switch was fine. > > I found, however, the electric brake was *extremely* tight. So much > friction that I doubt very much the motor could spin at all. > I removed it (I'll sand down the 'brake pad' later). > > Hoping for a small miracle I fired it back up but still no joy - the > motor (now free) refused to spin up. > > [a side note: the unit does not seem to reset no power up - > it comes up with all lights on until I click the reset manually. > sometime tells me this is a symptom] > > I need some prints so I can trace the motor power back to the micro... > > Any have prints for an R80 (or RA80/RB80/RM80). Or an RA81? > I suspect they are similar in terms of motor drive... > > -brad

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OT - Panasonic LDV-1000 Video Disk Players NOS

by marvin＠rain.org

I just got a call from a friend of mine who has a number of NOS Panasonic LDV-1000 Video Disk Players. These are the type that were used in some of the early video games like Cinamatronics Space Ace. Is there any interest in them from list members? Apparently the only thing wrong is that the boxes got damaged but the units themselves are fine. Let me know via email if you are interested.

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Cray J916 at a surplus sale: now $501

by jfoust＠threedee.com

3.2 GFLOPS, 4 GB RAM, 16 processors, eats 7.4 Kw. https://mds.bussvc.wisc.edu/swap/product.asp?mscsID=&auction_id=2119 - John

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Cray J916 at a surplus sale: now $501

by dvcorbin＠optonline.net

Simultaneous Emulation of every classic computer!

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It seems to have died...

by ron.hudson＠sbcglobal.net

After wanting a Commodore 64 SX for such a long time, a kind man finally gave me one. (it was the victim of a garage-clean out. I got it back home and it worked fine for a while. later that night I was writing basic programs and this strange color washed over it's little screen then it went blank. Cycling power did not restore any picture. I left it unplugged overnight, (thinking the problem may have been heat related) but it's still in the same state this morning. Any one have any knowledge? Is it really dead? Is there anything I can do?

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R80/RA81 diagnostic experience?

by GOOI＠oce.nl

A little info can be found here: www.pdp-11.nl/peripherals/disk/ra81-info.html According to the table, when the rightmost light [B] stays on (and the FAULT light of course), it would mean you have spin-up problems. Did you tension the belt with the lever at the right-hand side (at least there it is in an RA81 drive)? success, - Henk, PA8PDP > -----Original Message----- > From: Brad Parker [mailto:brad@heeltoe.com] > Sent: maandag 8 maart 2004 15:50 > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > Subject: R80/RA81 diagnostic experience? > > > > [resend - looks like original got lost this weekend] > > Hi, > > If anyone has diagnostic experience with an R80 or RA81, I'd like to > pick your brain a little... > > If this is better done off line, email is fine. I suspect > not everyone > is interested on how to revive an R80 :-) > > (why *I* find it infinitely fascinating is something I'll > never understand) > > I have an R80 which does not spin up or come ready: > > - All of the voltages are good (all the ones I checked anyway). > - The drive belt had come off but I managed to get it back on > - I can't seem to get it into diagnostic mode; the 8 leds' on the > bottom pcb show 0101 0101 (hex 55). > - When it powers up all of the external lights go on and stay on. > - if I reset (click the switch ont the pcb to "R", the lights go out > - if I then push the run/start it lights and after about 5 seconds > the fault light comes on and run/start goes out. > - if I push the fault light all lights go on and then the right most > one stays on > - push fault again and they all go out (I can then repeat the > run/start sequence) > > I'm guessing the above behavior means the micro is operating, > but then I set the rotaries to "FF" and hit 'enter' (i.e. put the > toggle to 'E') the led's don't change at all. The manual says they > should flash and change as a I enter diag mode. I wanted to use > diag more to force a spin up but no joy. > > Does the unit have to be connected to a controller to go into > diag mode? > I have an RB730 which this connects to. Connecting is does > not seem to really change it's behavior. > > -brad

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QIC80 tapes available

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

Ive got well over 50 SONY QW5122F tapes brand new still wrapped up. 200/420M capacity. Not sure what they work on though. .25 cents each. Also have other QIC80 tapes, but no MC3020 anymore. Inquire for others. --

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R80/RA81 diagnostic experience?

by bqt＠update.uu.se

On Mon, 8 Mar 2004 Brad Parker <brad(a)heeltoe.com> wrote: > Gooijen H wrote: > >A little info can be found here: > >www.pdp-11.nl/peripherals/disk/ra81-info.html > > thanks! > > >Did you tension the belt with the lever at the right-hand side (at > >least there it is in an RA81 drive)? > > I did, and it seems to be right, but who knows. Is there any sort of > lock out or micro switch which senses proper belt tension? Yes, I think so. Also, there is a transport safety for the heads. It's a lever on the HDA, which you should turn to unlocked. Does the R80 have the terminal interface on one card like the RA8x drives do? If so, plug a terminal in there and talk with the drive. 1200 bps I think, though it could be 300. 8N1. > This is an R80 drive, btw. I'm assuming the RA80, RB80 and RM80 are all > very similar at the drive end (not the controller end - which is very > different). Yes, it's the same HDA. Johnny Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: bqt(a)update.uu.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol

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yoohooo

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

anyone there? --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus]

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Wanted: HP 10529A logic comparator manual

by jwest＠kwcorp.com

TSIA Not sure if I posted this already. I was wondering if anyone has an extra original manual for the HP 10529A logic comparator. Thanks! Jay West --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus]

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KayPro's available

by kenziem＠sympatico.ca

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I just received a call. He has a KayPro 2 and KayPro 4 that he'd like to sell. They are located in Ottawa, Canada. What's the going price for these? Earlier tonight I had a cybernex terminal, a wang and a S-100 machine dropped off, as well as a Hyperion and a Toshiba T5200/100. A Zeus should be arriving latter on. - -- Ottawa, Canada Collector of vintage computers http://www.ncf.ca/~ba600 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFATRC6LPrIaE/xBZARAmu5AJ0Sx+fMTVQvUwnLmqG+a2xLVg00WgCfcUGW AlZH+FCSdU97BMLCXe1QSY4= =BSzD -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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paging Eric Smith

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

Eric are you out there? If then you need to contact me. I've sent you two E-mails and haven't gotten a reply. Joe

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HP item wanted

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

I figure there's pretty much zero chance of this, but thought I'd ask :) I have an HP 7906 drive that is rackmounted in one of the "newer" style cream colored rounded edge HP racks. I want to mount it in one of the older dark grey HP racks. The mounts are completely different. So, I'm looking for 7906 drive rails that go in the older style cabinet. I do have L brackets that go in the older cabinets, but with 7906 drives it's pretty important to be able to pull them out a bit and work on the bottom. Anyone have a set for trade? Jay West --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus]

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AUI cables in UK?

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Mar 8, 11:01, Paul Koning wrote: > Pete> You can, but I was always told (and read somewhere) there > Pete> should be two stripes between, not one. > > Interesting. Your source is mistaken... Quoting from the Ethernet > Specification, Version 2 (DEC/Intel/Xerox), section 7.6.2: Makes sense, I can't think of any reason to require a minimum of two "intervals" (for want of a better word). See my other post; I bet the book has simply been misinterpreted a few times, and that's where most peopel got it from (the standard itself didn't used to be terribly accessible). -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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AUI cables in UK?

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Mar 8, 16:10, Johnny Billquist wrote: > I'm pretty sure that the stripes are at 2.5 m. They are. I'm looking at a length of etherhose right now. > I'm also pretty sure that the standard says you should have 5 meters > between transcievers. That's what I thought, but I don't actually have a copy of the standard, just my well-thumbed copy of Charles Spurgeon's "Ethernet" book. It says the stripes are 2.5m apart but transceivers can be placed at 5m or 7.5m or any multiple of 2.5. Well, 2.5 is a multiple (in the mathematician's sense of 1 x 2.5) so maybe 2.5 is OK. > But I have actually never really understood why. Maybe just to not damage > the cable to much with vampire taps? There cannot be an electrical or > signal reason for this, as far as I can tell. I can't think of one either. The reason for the 2.5m spacing is that it's an odd fraction (about 1/19th) of a wavelength, so when you put taps on the cable, the small reflections caused by the discontinuities are out of phase and don't tend to be additive. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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OT Humor! Policy

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

This was too good not to pass on! Joe > > Start with a cage containing five monkeys. Inside the cage, hang a >banana on a string and place a set of stairs under it. Before long, a >monkey will go to the stairs and start to climb towards the banana. As >soon as he touches the stairs, spray all of the other monkeys with cold >water. After a while, another monkey makes an attempt with the same >result - all the other monkeys are sprayed with cold water. Pretty >soon, when another monkey tries to climb the stairs, the other monkeys >will try to prevent it. > > Now, put away the cold water. Remove one monkey from the cage and >replace it with a new one. The new monkey sees the banana and wants to >climb the stairs. To his surprise and horror, all of the other monkeys >attack him. After another attempt and attack, he knows that if he tries >to climb the stairs, he will be assaulted. Next, remove another of the >original five monkeys and replace it with a new one. The newcomer goes >to the stairs and is attacked. The previous newcomer takes part in the >punishment with enthusiasm! > > Likewise, replace a third original monkey with a new one, then a >fourth, and then the fifth. Every time the newest monkey takes to the >stairs, he is attacked. Most of the monkeys that are beating him have >no idea why they were not permitted to climb the stairs or why they are >participating in the beating of the newest monkey. After replacing all >the original monkeys, none of the remaining monkeys have ever been >sprayed with cold water. Nevertheless, no monkey ever again approaches >the stairs to try for the banana. Why not? Because as far as they know >that's the way it's always been done around here. > > And that, my friends, is how company policy begins. > >

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additional info was: Re: HP Calculator (?) RAM on eBay

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

At 10:43 AM 3/8/04 -0500, you wrote: >Not affiliated with seller. >These don't look like anything I've seen before. > >"20 HP Calculator RAM Mod's #5 1818-2805 NEW" >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2792071263 > >The seller here says Calculator. I wouldn't jump so quickly to that >conclusion. In the slim chance they fit something a lister has... Idiot! They're OS ROM (R O M) modules for a HP 9835 calculator. They're totally useless for anything else. Joe More: "The ROMs used in the 9835 are rather unusual. The ROM carriers look exactly like the ROMs for the HP 9825 but without labels. But instead of only holding one ROM, each carrier has sockets for four ROMs. The individual ROMs are small square boxes similar to those used in the HP 85. The 9835 ROMs come in sets of 1, 2 or 4 individual ROMs and the ROMs can be mounted in any order in the carrier or in any position in the 9835. The fourteen operating system ROMs are similarly mounted in a pull out drawer on the left side of the 9835. Flash! I've just learned that one collector has a 9835 with ROM drawers that hold six ROMs each instead of four. That's something that I haven't heard of before. " See more at <http://www.classiccmp.org/hp/hp9835.htm> Joe

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HP Calculator (?) RAM on eBay

by allain＠panix.com

Not affiliated with seller. These don't look like anything I've seen before. "20 HP Calculator RAM Mod's #5 1818-2805 NEW" http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2792071263 The seller here says Calculator. I wouldn't jump so quickly to that conclusion. In the slim chance they fit something a lister has... John A.

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KL-10 question

by ggs＠shiresoft.com

Hi, Does anyone know how much 3-phase power (at say 220v) a KL-10 requires? I just acquired some commercial space to move my collection into and I noticed today that there are several 220v 3-phase power drops that I hadn't noticed previously. I'm kind of hoping that I'll have enough 3-phase to be able to start resurecting my KL-10, but I need to know how much I need. Thanks. -- TTFN - Guy

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FA: MicroVAX II and other Q-bus cards on eBay

by kd7bcy＠teleport.com

I just posted several Q-bus cards including a MicroVAX II CPU and memory to eBay. http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=rexstout -- ------------ John Rollins | KD7BCY | http://www.kd7bcy.com DALnet #Apollo_Domain | Ham-Mac mailing list http://mailman.qth.net ------------

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AUI cables in UK?

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Mar 5, 18:16, Paul Koning wrote: > The rules aren't quite what you said -- the transceiver rule is that > you put them on the stripes. You can put transceivers on adjacent > stripes. You can, but I was always told (and read somewhere) there should be two stripes between, not one. > Cable ends are NOT at stripes; the recommended cable > lengths are funny numbers chosen to get reflections not accumulate > over multiple segments. The rule says "odd multiples of a half wave > at 5 MHz, which translates to odd multiples of 23.4 meters. I agree, I forgot about that. Oops! -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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KL-10 question

by bqt＠update.uu.se

On Mon, 8 Mar 2004 Guy Sotomayor <ggs(a)shiresoft.com> wrote: > Hi, > > Does anyone know how much 3-phase power (at say 220v) a KL-10 requires? > > I just acquired some commercial space to move my collection into and I > noticed today that there are several 220v 3-phase power drops that I > hadn't noticed previously. I'm kind of hoping that I'll have enough > 3-phase to be able to start resurecting my KL-10, but I need to know how > much I need. 220V 3-phase? Hmm. I think somewhere around 40A per phase should do it. We ran our KL-10 on 410V 63A/phase, but that was a bit overkill. But I'm also pretty sure that 410V 16A/phase was not enough. Johnny Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: bqt(a)update.uu.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol

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HP Calculator (?) RAM on eBay

by vp＠mcs.drexel.edu

"John Allain" <allain(a)panix.com> wrote: > "20 HP Calculator RAM Mod's #5 1818-2805 NEW" > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2792071263 Look like one of the 9825 OS ROMs. See http://www.classiccmp.org/hp/9825rom.jpg **vp

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yoohooo

by GOOI＠oce.nl

Yep! - Henk, PA8PDP. > -----Original Message----- > From: Jay West [mailto:jwest@classiccmp.org] > Sent: maandag 8 maart 2004 14:36 > To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: yoohooo > > > anyone there? > --- > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus]

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testing 1 2 3

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

what fun --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus]

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RSX-11M manual

by jbasauri＠PPI-Timezero.com

Hello ! Do you still have the manual for the RSX-11M operating system? If you do let me know how can I get it? Thank you, Jaime Basauri

22 years, 5 months

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9-track tape drive "O" rings?

by brad＠heeltoe.com

Any one have thoughts on 9-track tape drive "O" rings? The O ring on my TS-11 was under compression for some time and appears to have stretched to the point where it is too large to fit a tape on the hub. I'm guessing this is a common problem. I would think these O rings are pretty common. Does anyone have a source? -brad

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AUI cables in UK?

by cb＠mythtech.net

>> DA26 : never seen it used > >Used on an NCD 88k color x-windows terminal for video. Probably also >used on other things. IIRC, its also used on the Apple DOS cards. I'd have to go check a cable to be sure, but I'm pretty sure its 26 pins, in a DA shell (same size shell as AUI uses) -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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weird find: papertape "patch" puncher

by waltje＠pdp11.nl

Hi all, Recently I found this really cute, but weird-looking thingie. It seems to be a handheld tool that allowed operators, field engineers and so on to manually punch a bit of code onto paper tape, or to modify (patch) an existing tape. It was made by, or distributed by "Data Processing Accessories" in the U.K. Ideas, anyone? --f

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AUI cables in UK?

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Mar 5, 22:47, Tony Duell wrote: > > As Paul and der Mouse suggested, I agree that it would be worth making > > up a short flexible AUI cable. Cat 5 is 100-ohm, and ribbon cable is > > not far off that IIRC; you could use STP instead of UTP to get the > > shield (some Sun cables are STP), or just ignore it for really a short > > (a few inches) cable. Or a chunk of old good-quality serial cable > > I wonder if IDC cable would work for a very short (a few inches) length? > Just enough to turn the transceiver 'round the corner' or whatever. I'm fairly sure it would, and that's what I meant when I mentioned ribbon cable. Didn't der Mouse suggest that? I have a Newbridge ATM Route Server which is a Sun chassis mounted in a Newbridge box, and I'm fairly sure it has a similar arrangement to connect the Sun port to the panel on the Newbridge case. I'm a great believer in adhering to standards. Most of the time :-) In this case the standard says, in effect, "use this cable and this layout and it's guaranteed to work". It doesn't say it's guaranteed not to work if you don't :-) -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Source for PDP-8/E console lamps?

by wmaddox＠pacbell.net

Does anyone know of a source for replacement lamps for a PDP-8/E console? I have an otherwise immaculate console board that I would like to use in its original condition, e.g., w/o an LED conversion, but one of the bulbs has been broken, and, at any rate, additional failures are likely. Thanks, Bill

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Old Tandy Computer Equipment

by les＠lesgoulden.plus.com

To Whom it May Concern, I have some old Tandy computer equipment and many secondhand 8" Disks. I have been told that you might be interested? Who are you and what do you do? My name is Les and I live in Plymouth. Les

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PDP-8/A board info

by mbg＠TheWorld.com

>I'm trying to figure out what this board is/does. It's a DEC hex height >board marked M8597A. On the back it's also marked PDP 8A Control. DX10, PDP8 interface Megan Gentry Former RT-11 Developer +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | email: mbg at world.std.com | | Member of Technical Staff | megan at savaje.com | | SavaJe Technologies, Inc. | (s/ at /@/) | | 100 Apollo Drive | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ | | Chelmsford, MA 01824 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler | | (978) 256 6521 (DEC '77-'98) | required." - mbg KB1FCA | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+

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The story finally make the paper.

by mross666＠hotmail.com

Message: 2 Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 08:00:09 -0500 From: "Brian Mahoney" <brianmahoney(a)look.ca> >Almost a year ago, April 24, 2003, the Toronto Star did an article on >collecting featuring myself and Kevin Stumpf. Even though the guy took lots >of shots in my basement, regretfully only Kevin made the big time, standing >in front of his ex-Ontario Power Generating IBM 1800. (Maybe it was >because >he had a tie on and I didn't.) >We got the whole back page of the Technology Today section, well ... except >for a gigantic Canon ad. Kevin's site was mentioned as was my own >collector's list at Geocities (which everyone here should be on!) >If there is any interest, I could scan this aticle and put it up on my site >for a bit. >BM Ping! By a staggering coincidence, the 1800 mentioned (which is mine - Kevin had been storing it for me) finally showed up at the Corestore today, in a very large truck! I'll be updating the web page below with more photos tomorrow night. A couple of the pics from the article mentioned (I presume the same article) are at: http://www.corestore.org/1800.htm If I can get my arse into gear and this thing running, I'll drag it to VCF East... IPL diagnostics from punched cards, wheeeeeee! :-) Mike http://www.corestore.org _________________________________________________________________ Learn how to help protect your privacy and prevent fraud online at Tech Hacks & Scams. http://special.msn.com/msnbc/techsafety.armx

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AUI cables in UK?

by cb＠mythtech.net

>> IIRC, its also used on the Apple DOS cards. I'd have to go check a cable >> to be sure, but I'm pretty sure its 26 pins, in a DA shell (same size >> shell as AUI uses) > >That's not correct. The size of the shell is between a DA and DB, and it >has 19 pins. Are you sure? Are you thinking of the same cable that I am? I just did a quick check, and I found via Google a page that gives the pinout for the Mac's PC Compatibility Card's cable. It shows it as a 26 pin connector. I'm no longer at work where my cables are, so I can't physically inspect them. I thought the connector on the DOS Compatibility card was the same "physical" connector that is on the PC Compatibility card (although the cables, and I believe the pinouts are different). Again, I can't physically check mine, so I can't be 100% sure. Maybe the DOS card version was different (I know the cable for the DOS card is a 4 headed cable as it breaks out the joystick via the cable, while the cable for the PC card is a 3 headed cable with the joystick port residing on the card itself). And of course, Apple had a 3rd style card for the Performa 630/640 DOS model. I haven't really played much with mine of that model, so I don't know what it has (actually, I seem to recall that it didn't use a loopback cable at all) And then there are always the Orange Micro versions, all bets are off with those. I've never really played with them. But maybe you are thinking of a different card then I am. Apple also had an Apple IIe card for the Mac that had a loopback cable. I don't recall what it has for connectors. And I have no idea what possible cards there were for the Apple II series, or what possible other similar cards were for the Mac beyond Apple's, Orange Micro's, and Reply's (which was really the same as the first Apple card as it was built by Reply and first only available from Apple, later to be available directly from Reply) -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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WinSystems LPM/MPM 7109 card? was Re: New Finds Today

by dwight.elvey＠amd.com

Hi Joe The 7109 was made by many manufactures and is a common A/D. It is a dual slope type. Quite accurate when comparing to a reference. It has one funny feature that isn't usually mentioned in the data sheets. If you get an over range, it will transfer some additional energy to the Auto-Zero capacitor. This can take many convertion cycles to recover from. When used with an input mux, make sure that you either have a wait after overrange or some way to clamp it below full scale. Even a single lsb of overscale has significant effect because of the amplification used to do the auto-zero. A single lsb of overscale can be over 100 lsb's on the next read, depending on the A-Z capacitor size. Not good when you are looking to get the most out of the 12 bits. As for the board, maybe just some tracing out will determine the addressing so that you can play with it. I have a 80C188 processor board for the STD with a Forth in Flash on it. I find Forth to be real handy for poking ( and peeking ) at unknown boards such as these. Dwight >From: "Joe R." <rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com> > > Yesterday I picked up two shoebox sized units that were marked as >"enviromental units". However they had lights marked Tx, Rx, etc and a Comm >port. Inside it had a STD bus chassis with three cards installed. On has a >80C31 CPU, one has a Zilog Z0853004 comm chip and the other has a MAXIM >ICL7109CPL A/D convertor. The first two cards appear to be custom made and >are probably useless for anything except the system they were designed for. >However the third card (with A/D) is a standard commercail product and was >made by WinSystems and is their model LPM/MCM-7109. Does anyone have any >data on this card? It's not on WinSystems website and I tried to contact >them and ask about it but they were less than cooperative. > > Joe >

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WinSystems LPM/MPM 7109 card? was Re: New Finds Today

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

Yesterday I picked up two shoebox sized units that were marked as "enviromental units". However they had lights marked Tx, Rx, etc and a Comm port. Inside it had a STD bus chassis with three cards installed. On has a 80C31 CPU, one has a Zilog Z0853004 comm chip and the other has a MAXIM ICL7109CPL A/D convertor. The first two cards appear to be custom made and are probably useless for anything except the system they were designed for. However the third card (with A/D) is a standard commercail product and was made by WinSystems and is their model LPM/MCM-7109. Does anyone have any data on this card? It's not on WinSystems website and I tried to contact them and ask about it but they were less than cooperative. Joe

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New Finds Today

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

Went scrounging today and found a BIG pile of computers. MANY Dell PCs and a lot of IBM Power PCs. Brought home some of the PCs to check out and found that they all have P-III CPUs and ranged from 500 to 866 MHz. Some even had CD-RW drives! More interesting finds included two HP 9836Cs (the color version of the 9836), a HP 9000 380 (Probably top of the line for the HP 9000 200/300 series), a Sun Ultra 1 Creator 3D, a >>Hyundai<< Sparc model HWS-S310 (I had no idea Hyundai built andything like this!), a Matrox Shark 10/100/FX Ethernet switch, a SUN SparcStation 20, a HP drive array with hotswap drives, and one old PC with a very strange looking card in it. I'm going back tomorrow and pulling parts from the PCs that I didn't take. They're all going to a steel scrapper so I'm free to take anything that I want from them. Joe

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Wire recorders

by HLBebb＠webtv.net

Hello, I found your e-mail when I was searching for wire recorders. I thought perhaps you could help me. I am 85 years old and have some wire tapes of my children and would love to convert them onto cassette or CD. I live in Wsburg , Va. Would you have any contacts of anyone who could help me? Thank you.

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MS BASIC for a Panasonic HHC RL-H1400

by martinm＠allwest.net

I have accumulated a couple of Panasonic HHC RL-H1400 "Hand Held Computer"s. For a description, see: http://members.cox.net/obsoletetechnology/Panasonic_HHC.html Searching has indicated that a ROM "capsule" containing a version of MicroSoft BASIC was available. Does anyone have one of these capsules, or a dump of a ROM that can be written to a new ROM? The computers that I have came from insurance agents and have insurance software on the ROMs that came with the computers. The insurance ROMs are Motorola MCM 68764C and appear to be UVEPROMs. Thank you, Martin Marshall

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AUI cables in UK?

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Mar 5, 8:14, Vintage Computer Festival wrote: > On Fri, 5 Mar 2004, Pete Turnbull wrote: > > The moulded ones, usually beige in colour, a bit thicker than a pencil, > > or somewhat thicker than thinnet cable, are office-grade. [...] > > All the standard-grade ones I've > > ever seen are blue, and about as thick as yellow etherhose. > Ah, thanks for solving the mystery of the weird DA15 cables I got in the > other day. Now I know these are AUI cables. Useful. As Paul pointed out, there were other colours -- they just happen to be very rare here, and I've only ever seen blue ones. However, some of those blue ones weren't PVC, so perhaps they're low smoke/no fume (LSOF). I've also got at least two types of thick ether cable, but both are yellow. And several types of thinnet, including yellow and grey as well as the more common black. As Paul and der Mouse suggested, I agree that it would be worth making up a short flexible AUI cable. Cat 5 is 100-ohm, and ribbon cable is not far off that IIRC; you could use STP instead of UTP to get the shield (some Sun cables are STP), or just ignore it for really a short (a few inches) cable. Or a chunk of old good-quality serial cable should do a good job over short distances, I expect. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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AUI cables in UK?

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Mar 5, 9:37, Paul Koning wrote: > There was some prototype 10Base5 cable that was yellow PE, though. It > had black stripes to mark transceiver spacing. So it got the nickname > "yellowjacket". According to the standard, the markings are supposed to be on all 10base5 cable; they're to indicate where it's safe to put a transceiver, and where to cut the cable at the ends. They're every 2.5 metres, and there should be at least two between transceivers. However, I've seen cable that didn't have the bands, but it was probably ordinary coax rather than intended specifically for ethernet. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Pro-Log M980 PROM Programmer manual

by aek＠spies.com

I'd happy to send the resulting pdf on to Al Kossow for inclusion on his site. -- Is this a different version that what is already there?

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Pro-Log M980 PROM Programmer manual

by vcf＠siconic.com

Yo Joe! I finally found this. Is this the manual you were needing? Still need a copy/scan? -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ]

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classiccmp hard drive issue

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

The Classiccmp server is having some hard drive trouble again. With the 160gb WD drive I put in not too long ago. You may see some blips on the radar screen while I try to copy things off :\ Jay --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus]

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TRS-80 Model 12 crt substitution

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Mar 4, 9:34, Witchy wrote: > > the CRT can hold a charge for a lot longer than 'overnight'. > > Ah, I didn't know that - I thought they discharged naturally..... > > > and it may cause you to drop the CRT. I alwayse discharge a > > CRT with my > > EHT probe before handling it. I'll second that. Not only do CRTs not discharge naturally (unless they're in circuit with a bleed resistor), a disconnected and supposedly-discharged CRT may develop a charge if left alone. The original EHT can force electrons into the glass, and since glass is an excellent insulator, they don't come out again immediately when you discharge the tube. They *may* come to the surface slowly later, and give the CRT a significant charge of opposite to the original polarity. So leave a bleed resistor across a tube you plan to store for a long period (tip given to me by a TV repairman). If you're discharging a recently-used tube, don't use a simple resistor. The EHT on a CRT could be anything from 8kV to several tens of kV in a fancy colour tube, and most common resistors have a breakdown voltage of only 500-1000V. Besides, think about the power dissipation if you discharge a 25kV tube through a 10M resistor: 2.5 milliamps, but 62 watts. Sure, that 62W won't last long, but neither the tube nor your resistor will like it! -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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AUI cables in UK?

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Mar 4, 22:57, meltie wrote: > On Thursday 04 March 2004 22:41, John Honniball wrote: > > meltie wrote: > > > Does anyone in the UK or immediate surrounds have an AUI cable around > > > that they'd be willing to part with for a small amount of beer tokens? > > > > I can do you an AUI cable, but it'd be a "normal", non-right-angle one. > > Let me know if that'd be OK. Send clearance dimensions if you can! > > After a quick look, it's around 4.2 - 4.3 cm...Is it doable? There's no way a standard-grade blue AUI cable will turn through 90 in less than 15 cm. It might just be doable with an office-grade cable. They tend to be thinner and more flexible than the proper thick blue ones. Or you could remove the cover and fit a right-angle cover, probably. You could certainly do that with an office-grade cable -- I used to have one like that. I seem to remember having a genuine DEC beige transceiver, about twice the size of the minature Allied Telesyn ones that are so common, which had the AUI connector on the side instead of the end. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Queries to group

by dwight.elvey＠amd.com

Hi Ok, this is just too much of a coincidence. We just got 5 post that were queries about post to our group. Only one of the post recognized that they were sending to a group. I find it hard to believe that these are simple people looking for information ( all at the same time ). I sure wish I knew what they were up to or maybe it is the end result of some virus. I just doesn't make any sense. See: Heathkit ES-400 atc-510 simulator Texas Instuments TIL-306 Old Tandy Computer Equipment Hi, Hp logic analyzer What are they up to. Are these really valid queries?? Dwight

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Texas Instuments TIL-306

by electronicrepair＠teamsesco.com

Hi, My name is Miller Miller and I was looking for some TIL-306 Displays and I came across your forum. You mentioned that you knew a supplier that might have some surplus of these. Does he still have them? Can you tell me who it is. Thanks for any help that can provide. Mike Miller

22 years, 5 months

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PDP-8/A board info

by ggs＠shiresoft.com

Hi, I'm trying to figure out what this board is/does. It's a DEC hex height board marked M8597A. On the back it's also marked PDP 8A Control. Anyone have any ideas? Thanks. -- TTFN - Guy

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Hi, Hp logic analyzer

by gwenael.godde＠wanadoo.fr

Hi, I saw your message at http://www.classiccmp.org/pipermail/cctech/2003-May/014475.html I have a 1650b model but without any system disk. (The system disk is needed to use the monster) And i wasn't able to found any file on the www. If you have the system disk, is it possible for you to send it to me (by email)? Many many; Thanks Gw?nael GODDE

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The story finally make the paper.

by kenziem＠sympatico.ca

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Late last fall I asked about talking to the press, the story appeared today. http://www.canada.com/ottawa/ottawacitizen/news/story.html?id=b5e1276c-930e… The pictures seem to be missing to non subscribers/or online front page: Metal rack with nabu box, VAX monitor, wall in background with ps2 rs6000 :Lisa inside: wall shot apples and clones : NeXT cube - -- Ottawa, Canada Collector of vintage computers http://www.ncf.ca/~ba600 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFARztPLPrIaE/xBZARAg0zAJ9WL4k1/Y5pfb9iJIcvd1f86oJV8QCfZ0QR MUEgoA4Y8RH0DzqtTQQH8+Y= =IZKu -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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AUI cables in UK?

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Mar 5, 0:52, Witchy wrote: > Blue? I've never seen a blue AUI cable! Then again I only worked with > moulded DEC ones so I dunno about 3rd party products :) The moulded ones, usually beige in colour, a bit thicker than a pencil, or somewhat thicker than thinnet cable, are office-grade. They have much higher losses and you can't use them for long runs. I think the maximum allowed length is about 30'. All the standard-grade ones I've ever seen are blue, and about as thick as yellow etherhose. Maximum length 164' (50m). -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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RL02

by technobug＠comcast.net

One of the local junkers has a RL02 on the line to be parted. If anyone is interested I'll be around there later today and can ask for a price and a reprieve. Claude

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(no subject)

by terryf＠intersurf.com

Hello; I have been a member of this group for several years, although not really contributing anything to it. Now, here's my chance, take a look at www.ccompforum.com and tell me what you think. Its free, belongs to me, and is offered as an addition to the resources of this group, for this group. For you test-based folks, it has full email->forum and forum->email capabilities. Thanks for looking Terry Freeman terryf(a)cox.net terryf(a)intersurf.com

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H744 +5 supply - easy to fix?

by GOOI＠oce.nl

Aha, again one scan I did to make somebody happy :-) I realize that the directory path and file names should be "a bit" shorter though ... I have sent Jay West 7 or so CD-ROMs with scans of FMPS and manuals last february (2003!). That's a lot more than on mainecoon (only 4 CD-ROMs). If Jay is reading this: how's the PDF step getting along? In the mean time I have filled up an other CD with manuals. - Henk, PA8PDP. > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Uban [mailto:uban@ubanproductions.com] > Sent: donderdag 4 maart 2004 16:50 > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > Subject: Re: H744 +5 supply - easy to fix? > > > > >I could not find a schematic - do you have one? (I realize > it's a straight > >forward switcher, but I like a picture :-) > > Here's a scan from the 11/45 engineering drawings which > includes the H744: > > <http://www.mainecoon.com/classiccmp/PDP-11-45/PDP-11-45%20sys > tem%20ED%20(H744-45-46-54%20&%20G772)%20part-g.tif>http://www. > mainecoon.com/classiccmp/PDP-11-45/PDP-11-45%20system%20ED%20( > H744-45-46-54%20&%20G772)%20part-g.tif > > > --tom >

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MIL-STD-1397C ???? was Re: New Finds Today

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

At 09:06 PM 3/4/04 +0000, I wrote: > >> Went scrounging today and found a BIG pile of computers. MANY Dell PCs >> and a lot of IBM Power PCs. Brought home some of the PCs to check out and >> found that they all have P-III CPUs and ranged from 500 to 866 MHz. Some >> even had CD-RW drives! More interesting finds included two HP 9836Cs (the >> color version of the 9836), a HP 9000 380 (Probably top of the line for the >> HP 9000 200/300 series), a Sun Ultra 1 Creator 3D, a >>Hyundai<< Sparc >> model HWS-S310 (I had no idea Hyundai built andything like this!), a Matrox >> Shark 10/100/FX Ethernet switch, a SUN SparcStation 20, a HP drive array >> with hotswap drives, and one old PC with a very strange looking card in it. I just checked out the weird card that was in the old PC. It's a MIL-STD-1397C communications interface. Here's a link to a site about the card (a Navigator II). <http://www.sabtech.com/productlist.aspx?str=27> I've never heard of this MIL STD before is anyone familar with it? Joe

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TRS-80 Model 12 crt substitution

by redodd＠comcast.net

Hello, I broke the neck off the crt in my TRS-80 Model 12. I have a crt from a Model 4. Can I use this in the Model 12 or will it cause problems like smoke etc.? Thanks. Ralph

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absurd.org

by vcf＠siconic.com

-- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ]

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weird find: papertape "patch" puncher

by sloboyko＠yahoo.com

www.westnc.com has these patches. I've been thinking about getting some - but the tool is fairly expensive for hobby purposes. And on that subject, wow, is mylar tape getting expensive! ===== -Steve Loboyko Incredible wisdom actually found in a commerical fortune cookie: "When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day." Website: http://juliepalooza.8m.com/sl __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you’re looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com

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New Finds

by marvin＠rain.org

As quite a few people are aware, I tend to *really* like documentation and books. Today was a good day for that as I acquired part of the library from someone who had died a few years ago and was into computers. The computer related books ranged from the 50's to the early 80's. A couple of books I had not seen but look to be very interesting are: The Computer from Pascal to von Neumann - Goldstine The Analytical Engine - Bernstein Sequential Machine: Selected Papers - Moore There were quite a few books on software design, digital hardware design, analog and hybrid computer design, compter logical design, operating systems (including Tanenbaum), etc. This is enough to keep me busy for a while checking them out :). Unfortunately, an H-89 had already been recycled but there is still the possibility that the manuals, etc. are still around. After I cull out the books I want, I'll list them on the Computer Marketplace.

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H744 +5 supply - easy to fix?

by brad＠heeltoe.com

I finally got my TS11 racked this morning and after a good cleaning found that it has no +5v. (I must say, I love DEC manuals...) Looks like the H744 supply is not working. Anyone know about these? Are they easy to fix? Should I just pull it, find a schematic and start probing? (anyone have one they want to part with? :-) thanks! -brad

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H744 +5 supply - easy to fix?

by GOOI＠oce.nl

Hello Paul, just to enable all readers to understand I'll answer in English. The "RCD" (say Dutch Radio Control Service) has changed their policy since Sept, 1st, 2003. You can get -if still available- within some restrictions (depends on the license) the call you like (for $$$). I had the C license, and wanted to "upgrade" from PE1CKF to PE1PDP, but I was studying for the morse exam. I passed the very last morse code exam last December, and changed the prefix also to reflect the A license that I now hold. For insiders: I hope to be QRV on HF in a few months, and what that makes special is that I use equipment from RACAL, no Japanese toys! What is RACAL? Check my home page on www.pdp-11.nl and on the opening page at the bottom right, click on the animated gear box ... 73, - Henk, PA8PDP. > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Koning [mailto:pkoning@equallogic.com] > Sent: donderdag 4 maart 2004 15:10 > To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: RE: H744 +5 supply - easy to fix? > > > >>>>> "Gooijen" == Gooijen H <Gooijen> writes: > > Gooijen> success with your repairs, - Henk, PA8PDP > > Aardige roepletters! Ik wist niet dat de RCD tegenwoordig roepletters > op verzoek leverde. > > paul, ni1d, ex-pa0pkg

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8Kx8 EPROMs -- was Re: MS BASIC for a Panasonic HHC RL-H1400

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Mar 4, 14:52, John Allain wrote: [ about Motorola MCM68764 EPROMs ] > > Fancy parting with a few? They're 24-pin 8Kx8, which makes > > them particularly useful for some DEC boot ROMs > > Spit out some part numbers for compatible EPROMs and > I'll check my cache of pulls for you. Thank you. Trouble is, I don't know of any equivalent EPROMs, except the Motorola MCM68766 and SCM90448 ;-) All the other 8Kx8 EPROMs I know are 28-pin. While I remember, does anyone know what DEC ROMs 23-398E4 and 23-399E4 are? They're in Motorola SCM90448Cs, which is what reminded me. I can't remember what they came out of; possibly a PDT. Anyone know about 23-126E4 and 23-127E4 (mask ROMs)? Does anyone have any KDF11-B or KDJ11-B boot ROMs I could add to my collecton? -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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MS BASIC for a Panasonic HHC RL-H1400

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Mar 4, 10:53, Roger Merchberger wrote: > > > > The insurance ROMs are Motorola MCM 68764C and appear to be UVEPROMs. > > > > > > You and the rest of the HHC community. I've got an HHC myself, and all > > > mine has are the insurance EPROMs, too. > > I actually have about 20 *pounds* of these eproms... Fancy parting with a few? They're 24-pin 8Kx8, which makes them particularly useful for some DEC boot ROMs (which is the only place I've seen them before). They fit *my* programmer :-) -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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H744 +5 supply - easy to fix?

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Mar 4, 7:44, Tom Uban wrote: > I've seen a number of the rectifiers fail, so I would concur that it > is a common component to fail. Also, those supplies have always > whistled, even when new from the factory. Well, I've seen a few that don't whistle, and I don't really think they should; the coil laminations are supposed to be glued together and encapsulated. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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TRS-80 Model 12 crt substitution - Now I need help with 8" drives

by redodd＠comcast.net

Thanks to all who replied to the crt problem. The crt from the TRS-80 Model 4 was a perfect replacement for the Model 12. Now I have 2 - 8" Tandon thinline TM848E dsdd drives that have problems (in the Model 12). Drive 0 (lets call it A) used to work fine but now all it does is blink (the red busy led). 3 blinks followed by 1 blink or maybe it's 1 blink followed by 3 blinks, hard to tell. Drive 1 (call it B) always made noise and wasn't as reliable as A. I took A out, made B drive 0 and installed the resistor pack. Now B won't boot, I get to "initializing" and then I get a seek error. I have an original TRSDOS 2.0b disk and a copy and both used to work. Both get the same error. The drives have what I am going to call a logic board that's easy to remove. It has the drive and power connectors on it. I've tried every combination of mixing drives and logic boards but I still get the same errors. Does this blinking make sense to anyone and can I cure the seek errors on the other drive? Thanks again for listening to my ranting. Ralph

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H744 +5 supply - easy to fix?

by GOOI＠oce.nl

Just my 2c. I repaired 2 H744's up till now. They are indeed an easy piece to work on. One had a defective rectifier bridge (the 1 x 1 inch square block with 4 terminals) and the other was more peculiar: one big electrolitic capacitor (AFAICR it is connected directly to the PCB, fixed with screws) made a short circuit between the housing of the capacitor and a trace on the board. The plastic insulation of the capacitor some how was that bad to allow the short circuit ...! success with your repairs, - Henk, PA8PDP > -----Original Message----- > From: Brad Parker [mailto:brad@heeltoe.com] > Sent: woensdag 3 maart 2004 22:39 > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > Subject: H744 +5 supply - easy to fix? > > > I finally got my TS11 racked this morning and after a good cleaning > found that it has no +5v. (I must say, I love DEC manuals...) > > Looks like the H744 supply is not working. Anyone know about these? > Are they easy to fix? Should I just pull it, find a schematic and > start probing? > > (anyone have one they want to part with? :-) > > thanks! > > -brad

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H744 +5 supply - easy to fix?

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Mar 4, 8:22, Gooijen H wrote: > I repaired 2 H744's up till now. > They are indeed an easy piece to work on. > One had a defective rectifier bridge (the 1 x 1 inch square > block with 4 terminals) and the other was more peculiar: > one big electrolitic capacitor (AFAICR it is connected > directly to the PCB, fixed with screws) made a short circuit > between the housing of the capacitor and a trace on the > board. The plastic insulation of the capacitor some how was > that bad to allow the short circuit ...! Hmmm... one of mine had a faulty rectifier too. Not hard to diagnose or replace, but I wonder if that's a common failure? Another one had a bad filter cap -- but it had died of age (leaked) rather than causing a short. Another common "problem" seems to be whistling from the coil, if it's begun to delaminate. Probably a sign of previously running hot, and not necessarily anything to worry about. Several of my "brick" PSUs had faulty bulbs, and I found the easiest way to fix that ws to replace the bulb with an LED and a resistor, as found on the later versions. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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86/330 Problem(s)

by hirschopd＠msn.com

Joe, We solved the hardware portion of our problem and are now trying to resolve some iRMX system issues. How do I get availability and price on some of the Intel Manuels included in your list and that of Alossow's. Paul Hirsch >From: "Joe R." <rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com> >Reply-To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic >Posts"<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> >To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" ><cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> >Subject: Re: 86/330 Problem(s) >Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 12:27:28 -0500 > >At 02:27 AM 2/28/04 +0000, you wrote: > >Joe, > >do you have part numbers on the booards you have? > >Paul Hirsch > > > Here is a link to a Multibus webpage that I've been working on. ><http://www.classiccmp.org/hp/multibus/multibus.html>. MOST of the cards >that I have are listed there along with descriptions, part numbers and >pictures. It's still a work in progress so there are some missing bits and >pieces and I still have a stack of cards to add to it. It seems like >everytime I turn over a rock around here I find more Multibus stuff :-) > > FWIW I gutted* four Intel 86/330s a couple of years ago so I have all >the >cards for them. > > *Before anyone complains about me gutting vintage systems I'd like to >point out that these had had the hard drives removed before I got them and >I didn't have any Sw or docs for them and that I spent several months >trying to track down the stuff before I gave up and stripped them. I posted >several requests on this list and didn't get a single reply. > > Joe > > > > > > > >>From: "Joe R." <rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com> > >>Reply-To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic > >>Posts"<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> > >>To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" > >><cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> > >>Subject: Re: 86/330 Problem(s) > >>Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 18:17:09 -0500 > >> > >>At 02:28 PM 2/27/04 -0800, you wrote: > >> >On Fri, 27 Feb 2004, Paul Hirsch wrote: > >> > > >> >> We have an 86/330 that will not boot. We are using the RMX 5.1 > >>Operating > >> >> System. Following power on we compete the SCT Test and begin >booting > >>and > >> >> get a "Divide overflow occured". We have replaced the 8086 >procrsser, > >>the > >> >> 8087 coprocessor and the memory boards. At this point we are out of > >>options > >> >> unless it is the cpu board (144548-003 Rev C). 1) if any one has >any > >>advice > >> >> I would appreciate it, or if anyone has a board or computer that >they > >>would > >> >> like to sell. > >> > > >> >Sounds like a software problem. > >> > > >> >What's an 86/330? > >> > >> Sounds like an Intel 86/330 computer (8086 CPU Multibus system). I >have > >>parts for them and I've already replied to him. > >> > >> Joe > >> > >> > > >> >-- > >> > > >> >Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer > >>Festival > >> > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>--- > >> >International Man of Intrigue and Danger > >>http://www.vintage.org > >> > > >> >[ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage > >>Computers > >> ] > >> >[ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at > >>http://marketplace.vintage.org ] > >> > > >> > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Watch high-quality video with fast playback at MSN Video. Free! > >http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200365ave/direct/01/ > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Fast. Reliable. Get MSN 9 Dial-up - 3 months for the price of 1! (Limited-time Offer) http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200361ave/direct/01/

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Elektor and OSI's OS-65D (was OHIO-DOS)

by RMaxwell＠atlantissi.com

As the owner of a modified and still-working OSI Superboard 2 running under OS-65D 3.3, I may have a few insights about the Elektor link to OS-65D: - I had owned my machine for around 5 years (that would make it 1985) when a friend showed me the two-part Elektor article of a floppy-disk interface for the ongoing "Junior Computer" series. Using the schematics, I hand-wired (anyone else remember Vector's "Pencil Wiring" with solder-through insulation?) a disk interface for my Superboard. - The Elektor article "adopted" OS-65D because OSI sold the DOS as a stand-alone product, complete with utilities for customizing disks, developing code in BASIC and Assembler, and capable of running serial or memory-mapped user I/O with the change of a byte in DOS. It sounds like the Elektor authors went forward and used OD-65D for later projects. - By 1985, MA/COM had renamed OSI to ISOTRON during the slow- and shut-down of manufacturing - they stopped buying masked ROMs, and made Superboards and C1Ps patched to use 2716 EPROMs instead - but were still selling the Disk OS. When I telephone-ordered a copy and asked for "OS-65D V. 3.3 for a C1P", a fellow worker figured I was some sort of spy speaking code! Fortunately, the folks at the factory knew what I was talking about. The documentation binder bears the name ISOTRON on its cover. - Like the Elektor authors, I patched my OS-65D, for an 80x24 video card in my system. I had written extensions into a copy of the OSI Monitor ROM: I was a little peeved when OS-65D loaded, ignored the redirected video, and brought in its own drivers for the original 24x24 screen... I was sooo glad I maintained back-compatibility. I still have the original OSI disks and docs: there are 5 disks with all sorts of utilities (mostly in BASIC), the binder for the OS and separate manuals for the "Assembler/Editor and Extended Monitor" and disk BASIC. The handiest thing (and most well-worn!) is the little fold-out card listing DOS commands, memory locations and error code descriptions. I'm a little puzzled at the reference to OS-65D V3.2... Version 3.3 was the "full" version, and the single-floppy reduced version was 3.1: perhaps someone patched a version 3.1 disk for their own project, and just incremented the number? Bob Maxwell --- Original Message --- > > I'm looking for information on the OHIO-DOS system. > > Has anyone some sources, programs or historic info > > on this OS for the 6502? > > > > Right now I'm rebuilding an 65816 system (EC65K) which > > was published in 1986 by Elektuur/Elektor and was running > > OHIO DOS 65D V3.2. > > Ohio Scientific Instruments (OSI) had a 6502 OS in the late > 1970's and early 1980's called OS-65D. They were bought by > MA/COM (sometimes mistyped as MA-COM) who carried on for a > couple of years. I don't know whether they licensed it to > any other vendors, but you might Google for OS-65D. Also, > OS-65U was their multi user OS. I'm a "fan" of OSI, if it > turns out that this is the OSI OS, I would be interested to > know the story of Elektuur/Elektor and how the old (and to > be honest, rather crude) OS was being used in 1986. > > Bill Sudbrink >

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CPT 8520

by jduck＠earthlink.net

Hi, I have a CPT 8520, printer and keyboard but I can't find the power cord or printer cable. Could you provide any info on finding CPT hook ups? Thanks, Jack Duckworth

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Brother Wordprocessor Floppy Disks

by tlindner＠ix.netcom.com

Yesterday my boss came to me and handed me a stack of 3 1/2 inch floppy disks and asked me to get the data off them. Ahh, the perils of being the geekiest person in your orginazation! :) Anyway, all he could tell me is that they were from a Brother word processor. It didn't have a model number and no serial port. One of the disks is a system disk ("Spreadsheet, punctualtion alert and data storage disk for Brother Word Processor version <1.0>") and is dated 1991. I tried the disk in my DOS 6.22 PC, no deal. Then I tried cw2dmk (thanks Tim!) and my Catweasel, but I guess the format isn't close enough to IBM 370 (FM) or IBM 34 (MFM) formats to be useful. Does anyone know of a tool I can use to read these disks? Barring that: does anybody know what format the disk is using? I'm not past modifying cw2dmk to read it, but I would hope not to have to reverse engineer the "on disk" format. Thanks! -- tim lindner tlindner(a)ix.netcom.com

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H744 +5 supply - easy to fix?

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Mar 3, 16:38, Brad Parker wrote: > > I finally got my TS11 racked this morning and after a good cleaning > found that it has no +5v. (I must say, I love DEC manuals...) > > Looks like the H744 supply is not working. Anyone know about these? > Are they easy to fix? Should I just pull it, find a schematic and start > probing? It's used in various devices, from KL10s to 11/34s so the schematic shouldn't be hard to find, and yes, they're fairly easy to work on. It's a fairly simple circuit based on a 723 regulator chip. I think I do have a spare, but I doubt if you want to pay transatlantic shipping :-) H7440 and H7441 are very similar (different circuits, same purpose). -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Hokki =)

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Mar 3, 12:01, Jules Richardson wrote: > On Wed, 2004-03-03 at 04:18, pete(a)dunnington.u-net.com wrote: > > Looking forward for a response :P > > Now you're going to have to tell us idiots (i.e. me) what Hokki is... It's a virus (or at least that subject line was created by a virus), and it DIDN'T come from me. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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atc-510 simulator

by mwallin＠cinci.rr.com

Doug- hello, not to be a pest, but I was about to list some accessories for my old atc-510 flight simulator on ebay. I searched the internet for atc-510 simulator, and only came up with a handful of results. One of them was a thread where you said you were looking for something for your 510. Please let me know 1) if you still have the unit and 2) if you are looking for any accessories. thanks for your time and sorry to bother you, Mike

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Saved (big haul)

by waltje＠pdp11.nl

Hi all, Thanks to Andreas Holz and Mr. Howard Israel of Zetters Pools Ltd in London, we managed to save three PDP-11/94's, two 11/44's and a /24, plus RL02 disks, a zillion spares, a lot of documentation and small stuff. All systems were SCSI based, so, yes, we're VERY happy with them! Cheers, Fred -- Fred N. van Kempen, DEC (Digital Equipment Corporation) Collector/Archivist Visit the VAXlab Project at http://VAXlab.pdp11.nl/ Visit the Archives at http://www.pdp11.nl/ Email: waltje(a)pdp11.nl BUSSUM, THE NETHERLANDS / Mountain View, CA, USA

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Strange Old Disk

by aek＠spies.com

It is either for a CDC Hawk (9427) or Phoenix (9448) I don't have a picture of either drive handy though to tell.

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Anyone near Salem, Ohio?

by tony.eros＠machm.org

I may have a line on some vintage equipment in Salem, Ohio, near Youngstown. Is there anyone on the list living nearby who might be willing to help with pickup, packing and shipping? I'd happily pay shipping/packaging costs plus a little something for your trouble. -- Tony

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Hokki =)

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

Looking forward for a response :P password: 15135

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Heathkit ES-400

by penson＠email.arizona.edu

Good morning. I came upon your email address while doing a google search for information on the Heathkit ES-400. You had posted an inquiry asking if anyone knew how many ES-400s had been made or sold. Wondering what you found out? An ES-400 recently turned up at a museum in Minneapolis. Cheers, Chuck Penson University of Arizona

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Vax Tapes Give Away

by edelen＠sierra1.nrl.navy.mil

Do you still have those Vax tapes? If so I'd love to get them from you. Keech Edelen IT Specialist III 202-767-4244 office 877-428-8780 pager 240-346-6829 cell

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Apple IIc

by lyosnorezel＠yahoo.com

Hey ya'll I just located an old Apple IIc and was trying to figure out it's power supply... anyone know where I can find pinouts for this computer's power supply port? It's the male side of a 7 pin plug. Thanks. Lyos Gemini Norezel P.S.- I'll be getting a Commodore 64 (fully loaded/equipped) and a TRS(trash)-80 in the next coupla days... oh boy, oh boy!!!!!!!!!!!!! I love getting "new" toys. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Get better spam protection with Yahoo! Mail

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Linux Box + DOS 3.2 box + (1)5.25 floppy drive (okidata 3305BU) = HELP!!!!!!!!

by lyosnorezel＠yahoo.com

Hey y'all... I need some help. I recently acquired a Compaq Portable(ye right... at 35LBS no one is crazy enough to carry this machine around) II... with a hard drive and a 5.25 floppy disk drive. The hard drive apparently has MSDOS 3.2 and some Novell application. When booted up it first checks the memory then it checks active partions... then it starts going in some kinda loop looking for a file server that isn't there. I don't have any other 5.25 floppy drives so I am unable to create disks to transfer files to this box. I was wondering if it was possible to connect the floppy drive to my linux box and copy the files to the disk(s) from there and retransfer the drive to the compaq to use. Problem is that the Linux box is an RH9 platform on a PII (686) system. Would RH9 even have the needed drivers for a drive this ancient? Can this be done or am I, for all intensive purposes, screwed? Lyos Gemini Norezel --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Get better spam protection with Yahoo! Mail

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[OT] Strange/Help

by patrick＠evocative.com

Is anyone able to open http://java.sun.com/?

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