>What am I supposed to do if it becomes obvious I am not going to be able to
>track the guy down? (which it has, except for the new idea of trying name
>lookup directories, I do know his name and his former city and state.)
You could pass them on to the next person that needs a copy. Or even
start a "library" of sorts with it. You send it to someone, they use it
and send it back, and you hold it until the next person needs it.
Of course, that gets into copyright issues, but I'd assume either you
aren't worried, or it doesn't apply, if you already "borrowed" a copy to
begin with.
>and hope everyone doesn't think I am some kind of miserable
>lying bastard. This was an honest mistake.
Like someone else pointed out, don't be TOO hard on yourself... had the
guy REALLY wanted it back, he would have hounded you for it (unless he
did, and you just didn't share that fact). I don't know about others, but
I NEVER loan my only copy of something to anyone that I can't drive to
their house and beat them until they give it back (and even then, they
have to be someone I know well and trust). But I will happily loan extra
copies of something, or duplicates of it. In those cases, I except the
fact that I may never see it again, and I don't care... if a basic
attempt doesn't get it returned, then I just write it off.
Good chance this guy was the same way.
-chris
<http://www.mythtech.net>
>From: "Mark Firestone" <pdp11_70(a)retrobbs.org>
`>
>Somebody in the states was going to send me an IMASI 8080 (the computer I
>most desire for my collection) but it got *thrown away*. Snif. It must be
>worth something, as they are setting "new" ones for more than the price of a
>modern pc.
>
>
Hi
Depending on a number of factors, an original IMSAI 8080 goes
for anywhere from $800 to $2500 on ebay someplace. If you'd told
your state side friend that, I'm sure they wouldn't have thrown
it out, thinking it had little value.
The new ones are not the same but have the same look and feel.
Dwight
So about 2.5 years ago, I bought an SGI machine off ebay and the guy let me
borrow the IRIX 6.5 media. I never sent them back and contacted him like 4
months later and said "Whoa I forgot to send them back, can I have your
address?" I meant to send them, but forgot *again*. I have tried to email
him every 5-6 months for the past two years, but his e-mail is dead (domain
name is gone) and his ebay account hasn't been used since 2002. What do I
do?
I am thinking it'd be okay to sell the CDs and if I ever do by some chance
find him again, then I can give him the money.
I feel really bad about this.
Any advice?
---
Thanks,
Torquil MacCorkle, III
Lexington, Virginia
I just noticed that Epson's website contains product information
(including manuals and sales brochures) for some of its legacy products
such as the HX-20 and their old line of desktops. Check it out:
http://www.epson.com/cgi-bin/Store/support/SupportIndex.jsp?BV_UseBVCookie=…
They even have a link to contact support on the vintage products (though I
doubt you would actually get any help on them...it would be neat to try
one day however and see what happens :)
--
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Vintage Computer Festival <vcf(a)siconic.com> wrote:
> I really don't want to contribute to this thread but I felt compelled to
> point out that as long as you reside in the Republic of California, which
> is a member state of the United States, then you are unfortunately subject
> to the laws of that nation.
No, because I am officially at war with USA, which is an illegitimate colonial
occupant of the land I reside on. This land belongs to the Native American
people, who rightfully hate "the white man" (their term for the bourgeois USA
nation-state) and fully support me and my work, of which they are quite aware
(here I mean not my VAX work, but my work on history of civilisation, ET
connections and exopolitics). When the true legitimate owners of this land say
they hate "the white man" they really do mean the bourgeois USA nation-state
rather than white-skinned people, since I have white skin and yet they recognise
me as their brother. And not because I am in some way special (I'm not), but
because they are brothers and sisters with ALL native peoples of ALL parts of
the world, including the northern regions where the native people have white
skin. (They see me as their Siberian brother, as an Apache told me.)
> The lawyers of the people who may be suing
> you
I care about and support the environment and I recycle everything, so if they
sue me, I'll put their papers in the recycle bin.
MS
In general, MicroVAX III could handle 64 Meg, though some CPU boards did not
have all address lines brought out of Memory Controll Unit pins. Here my
memory gets fuzzy, I am not sure whether that was the case only with those
'workstation' types or that was also a case with backplane based machines.
There was an outfit that was retrofitting such CPU boards for full range of
addresses and I do rememmer whether they were Stateside or in Holland.
The largest Digital memory for backplane based MicroVAX III was a 32 MB
board, but that came quite late in the life of MicroVAX III. The initial
'Minimum Configuration' shipments of those systems were with 8 Meg, then
that was upped to 16 Meg. The 4 Meg board that is mentioned, is probably
partially populated 8 Meg layout. However, there were third party boards up
to 48 MB. Rational for that corkey size was that customer does not have to
trow away original 16 Meg that came with machine and still fit full 64 Meg
complement into two slots.
On 4/17/2004 08:00 AM -0500, cctech-request(a)classiccmp.org wrote:
>Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 20:49:04 -0400
>From: Paul Koning <pkoning(a)equallogic.com>
>Subject: RE: WTB: Pro380, VAXstation
>To: arcarlini(a)iee.org, cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
>
> >>>>> "Antonio" == Antonio Carlini <arcarlini(a)iee.org> writes:
>
> >> As for a Pro being the easiest route, I wouldn't say so. The bus
> >> architecture is completely unrelated to that of any other PDP11,
> >> and ugly/messy/baroque/bogus at that. There is NO DMA. The
> >> Ethernet card uses the worst Ethernet chip I know.
>
> Antonio> Out of interest, which chip would that be?
>
>Intel 82586, if I remember right. It uses queues, not rings, for its
>commands. There are race conditions in the programming interface so
>that the chip sometimes sets a queue to empty at the same time that
>the driver puts a new entry on the queue, which forces the driver to
>notice that and repair the confusion.
>
>This is why real Ethernet chips use rings.
>
> paul
In the process of debugging that driver, the programmer involved with it,
found and identified a number of problems/bugs that Intel was unaware of
and refused to admit to until they finally isolated and fixed them in a
later rev.
Dave. (I only did NFT and FALs on DECnet-PRO)
Patrick Finnegan <pat(a)computer-refuge.org> wrote:
> > The Republic to which I pledge allegiance (Republic of Terra) has no
> > bourgeois patent laws and all intellectual assets belong to All
> > People.
>
> You sure that isn't the USSR?
Well, I was born and raised in the USSR, and I was very supportive and proud of
its achievements (still have my USSR passport, it has no legal value since there
is no more USSR officially, but it has great soul value), and the laws I'm
drawing up for the Republic of Terra are greatly inspired by the USSR, but the
USSR and the Republic of Terra are not identical.
MS
At 23:49 20/04/2004 +0100, you wrote:
>> Anyway, the machine itself works fine, however the Atari SC1224 monitor that
>> came with it does not. I can hear it "chirp" when I throw the switch, suggesting
>
>What sort of power supply does it use? If it's a switcher, then the chirp
>might be coming from the chopper transformer, indicating, perhaps, a
>short on the output of the PSU. That, in turn, might be the line output
>transistor (HOT to you, I guess).
Hi Tony,
It would appear that you are correct. Once I removed the cover, I could clearly
tell that the "chirp" is coming from the switching power supply. There appears
to be no activity from the rest of the monitor, including the fact that even
with the lights off, I could not observe filaments lighting. The power LED does
light, however it's fairly dim - I don't know how brightly it would normally
light.
The final filter capacitor in the supply is rated at 180v DC. I powered the
supply briefly under no-load and the output rose to 140v. With all the
connections in place, it is producing about 55v - I have no idea what the
normal requirements of the monitor are.
This is where a set of schematics would really help (anyone ???)
Regards,
--
dave04a (at) Dave Dunfield
dunfield (dot) Firmware development services & tools: www.dunfield.com
com Vintage computing equipment collector.
http://www.parse.com/~ddunfield/museum/index.html
>> Would somebody please take my Mac II?
>>
>> I saved it from being scrapped at the office because of it's
>> history, in that it was Apple's big redesign, the first
>> machine of the new line
>> -- one that completed with IBM's PS/2 line and argubly was a
>> greater success. I'm not a big Apple expert but it just
>> seemed if you were going to have a few Macs that this model
>> would be in the top 5.
>
> It would be for me, but I've already got one. Is there much interest for
> original Macs here? I'm beginning to wonder after nobody replied to me
> question about a dead Mac IIfx last week :-/
>
There are a few of us on this list with interest in original Macs; my
interest is limited only by available storage space. (Want a few Iisi's,
perhaps? A few 20MB Rodime hard drives with external actuators?) What
happened with your Iifx?
If you're really going to scrap the II I could perhaps be persuaded to give
it a home; haven't had my hands on one since I ran one as a file server in
1991-2; somewhere I still have AppleShare and the AppleTalk Internet Router
software I used back then. That was a really hot network (not) - 6 SE's, an
SE30, an original LC, a Iisi, a II as a server, another II as a workstation,
a Shiva Telebridge and an Avatar MacMainFrame SDLC gateway to a remote CICS
host and a LaserWriter IINT. All on PhoneNet, too. Another SE was used to
dial into the Telebridge at 2400BPS thru a Practical Peripherals modem. 90MB
SCSI Bernoulli on the SE30 for backup. We even had a PC in on this party
using a PC AppleTalk card. Ran FileMaker II for a workgroup plus Word 5,
Excel, PageMaker 3, Canvas 2.1 and the Avatar software for mainframe session
access. The Avatar printer emulator ran on a dedicated SE driving an OKI
dot-matrix printer through a serial-to-parallel adapter as I recall. Worked
fine, too. The leased-line modem for the remote mainframe access was easily
as big as a Mac II; as I recall the II sat on top of it. Quite the setup.
Drove our MIS guy nuts that this arrangement of odds and ends set up by an
amateur - all units were out of production by then except maybe the Iisi -
was stable but his Novell setup crashed every few days.
I figure your Mac II and my ImageWriter LQ would make a handsome 'couple'
while completely covering a good sized desk's top. Nothing like old Apple
hardware - I'm still printing on the LaserWriter II I bought new in 1989.
Works fine. Slowly, but fine.
Seth Lewin
More goodies from today's UofA auction:
for a grand sum of $5.00:
A Cypher F880 9-track tape drive (operational, but has a missing front dust
cover), a couple of old but working HP 750 printers w/ FULL ink cartridges,
and a couple of IBM CD's : Risc System/6000 Software #5756-030 AIX/6000 3.2.5
w/NFS Encryption. Bootable (2 cd's)
Cheers
Tom
--
---
Please do not read this sig. If you have read this far, please unread back to
the beginning.
Lost control and wandered through ePay for a bit today. A
few things someone might be interested in, all DEC, all
the same seller as he caught my eye with a laptop and had
all these goodies listed. No affiliation. I know I've had
some email conversations, not sure if I bought anything,
but he seemed reasonable. YMMV.
VAX 8530, single cabinet with Console 380 sitting on top,
appears cabling is intact. CI interface. Guy wants $250,
wonder if he won't make a deal after nobody bids...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1486&item=3091806283
"DEC Memory Array Tester". It's late enough that it's got
what look like Euro connectors, but I can't guess what
flavor of DEC memory interconnect it's for. Certainly
post-Unibus. Has a sheaf of papers in the lid, unclear
if they're docs.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=25423&item=3810462266
RK07-EF disk pack, allegedly new in box.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3756&item=4125693956
Share and enjoy,
--Steve.
>From: ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk
---snip---
>
>And IIRC the Intel 8251 USART chip has the feature that there's no way to
>get it into a known state under certain circumstances (IIRC this happens
>if you're initialising it in synchronous mode and don't know how many
>bytes you've written to it).
>
>-tony
>
Hi
I think there is a work around for the 8251 but it isn't
all that clean either. You just keep writing commands
until you are guaranteed to do a reset. I'd have to look
at the code I have someplace to do this.
Hopefully, they don't use 8255's to control missile launches.
Dwight
At 15:01 20/04/2004 -0700, you wrote:
>On Tue, 20 Apr 2004, Dave Dunfield wrote:
>> I also found a program called WRITEATA which tries to write Atari format disks on
>> a standard PC drive. It has trouble due to differences in drive speed and the fact
>
>"DIFFERENCE IN DRIVE SPEED" ??!?
>
>What speed do the drives of your Ataris run at?
A standard PC drive runs at rotational spindle speed of 300 RPM.
According to the FAQ's and some of the documents included with the various Atari<>PC
disk transfer packages that I have looked at in the past couple of days, the Atari 1050
drive runs at a nominal speed of 288 RPM.
The disk copying package that I managed to download and boot included a drive speed
test - my drive weighed in at 287 RPM, so it would appear that this information is
correct.
Regards,
--
dave04a (at) Dave Dunfield
dunfield (dot) Firmware development services & tools: www.dunfield.com
com Vintage computing equipment collector.
http://www.parse.com/~ddunfield/museum/index.html
Hi, I am interested in this.I am in Chico but will be down there this week and next week also. I have a lot of equipment myself and would be willing to trade if there is something in particular that you are looking for.
Sincerely,
Shannon Hoskins
pds3(a)ix.netcom.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Kirk Davis <kdavis(a)ndx.net>
Sent: Apr 19, 2004 8:32 PM
To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: Ton of *free* DEC stuff
I'm moving and will only have room for one small system
so I need to give away some things. I have a bunch of stuff
that I got from a company that used to make Q-Bus cards.
Here some of the stuff I is going:
Boards Q-Bus and some U-Bus
Manuals VAX, PDP. Some print sets
Cables (Cabkits, Serial, drive, network, etc)
Media (Mag & Mini tape, disks)
Software (lots of dec stuff including several Distros)
TK & SCSI Drives
Various cabinet parts, rails, hardware, etc
Hard drives (5.25 ESDI & ST506)
Some Apple & Atari stuff
Nothing larger than a BA23, most of the stuff is in
boxes. Looking at about 15-20 boxes.
*** This is local pickup only ***
Preference give to someone that will take it all at once :-)
Kirk
Hi Everybody,
Picked up another 520ST (same flea market as 1050 drive) - it's a later edition
as it has the power supply and floppy drive built in like my 1040ST. My other
520ST requires an external floppy and drive.
Anyway, the machine itself works fine, however the Atari SC1224 monitor that
came with it does not. I can hear it "chirp" when I throw the switch, suggesting
that the horizontal oscilator is running, however I never get any light on
the screen - no apparent "static bristle", so there may be no HV, but I can't
tell for sure haven't opened it yet.
Anyone got a set of schematics for the SC1224?
Btw, does anyone know if the internal floppy drive of a 520ST is a single-sided
drive like the external SF354 drive? Or a double sided drive like is in the
1040ST?
Thanks,
Dave
--
dave04a (at) Dave Dunfield
dunfield (dot) Firmware development services & tools: www.dunfield.com
com Vintage computing equipment collector.
Hi Everybody, (Hi doctor Nick)
I discovered that I had a couple of power supplies all along. I remembered this
afternoon that I have a couple of Atari 1010 Cassette drives tucked away, so I
dug em out and sure enough: Atari 9v 31va supply - just what the doctor ordered.
I also found a program called WRITEATA which tries to write Atari format disks on
a standard PC drive. It has trouble due to differences in drive speed and the fact
that it can't do 128 byte sectors, however I was able to get it to write 130k
"enhanced format" 1050 disks.
Most Atari DOS images I've found are 90k which it can't do, however I found one
called "TurboDos" in a 130k image, and was able to write it and it booted!
It booted and then crashed on the 600XL I was originally testing with, however I
noticed a message indicating "XE RAMDISK LOADED" ... so I tried a 130XE and everything
worked - it comes up in some sort of menu program written in basic, which I could
exit (to BASIC), then use "DOS" to get to DOS - so my drive does work!
I also found a 130k disk copying disk that works, it appears to have a German version
of Atari DOS 2.5 underneath it.
Thanks to everyone who helped me figure this out.
Regards,
--
dave04a (at) Dave Dunfield
dunfield (dot) Firmware development services & tools: www.dunfield.com
com Vintage computing equipment collector.
Does anyone have the programming pod for a Link Computer Graphics CLK
3100 or 6100 programmer? I have the rest of the HW and SW but I'm missing
the pod. Here is a couple of pictures. They're small but they're all that I
could find. <http://www.linkins.com/devpro.htm>
Joe
Ah jeez, it's just a 8 bit video ADC. TRW made more than just
multipliers (they were famous for making 8x8 and then 16x16 hardwired
multipliers). Also famous, a single chip correlator. Details are in
the TRW Databook (now deceased).
But the price on epay is just amazing.
On 12 Apr 2004 at 10:45, I wrote:
> I'll scan a couple of pages from the "HP 64000 Installation and
> Configuration Reference Manual" (64980-90921, June 1982) tonight that
> show the differences and post a URL tomorrow.
I've posted a pair of pages from the "HP 64000 System Overview" manual
(64980-90912, February 1982) as a 63K PDF at:
http://www.bcpl.net/~dbryan/dropbox/64000-extracts.pdf
They have illustrations of the 64100A and 64110A mainframes and a short
list of their physical differences. (The overview manual seemed to
illustrate these better than the installation manual, once I had checked.)
-- Dave
Hi,
saw the following on alt.sys.pdp11, it's too far away for me :-(
would take the consoleprinters myself if this were in Munich...
Regards, Frank
>PDP-11's heading for scrap This Week in Santa Barbara, CA area
>Author Jeff Davies
>Hi, I frequent the University of California - Santa Barbara surplus
>store and noticed they have the following PDP stuff that is heading
>for the scrap heap this week unless someone comes and buys it (and
>considering that the alternative is scrap prices, it'll probably go
>cheap):
>
>(from memory, so it's probably 85% accurate):
>
>- 4 waist-high 19" racks containing the PDP stuff.
>- 2 each PDP-11/23 rackmounted
>- 2 each PDP-11/73 rackmounted
>- at least 4 RL02 drives
>- a couple or more RC25 (I think) cartridge drives
>- other random equipment that I can't identify
>- 2 Decwriter line printers/consoles
>- A big push cart full of (looks like unused) RL02 packs and RC25
>carts.
>- RSX manuals and a bunch of other documents
>
>All this stuff came from an installation that was finally turned off,
>so it looks complete.
>
>I'd get it for myself, but I just do not have room. If you're in the
>Santa Barbara / Los Angeles area and are going to pick this stuff up
>and need a hand, let me know.
>
>CONTACT:
>
>UCSB Central Stores
>(805) 893-2732
>jeff.goldmann (the at symbol) stores. ucsb. edu
I was under the (possibly misguided) impression that Mentec owned or
exclusively licensed the rights to much of the PDP-11 IP. Dunno how
vigorously they would enforce it these days, but they do sell reimplimented
PDP-11 hardware (http://www.mentec-inc.com/Mboards.html).
Ken
I made a major score of 1802s recently. A couple of weeks ago I went a
scrap place and found some old traffic controllers. I opened one and found
that they all used socketed 1802 CPUs. I pulled over 50 of them :-) The
controllers were Transyt moddel 1800s and they're made in Tallahassee
Florida. Here is a not so good picture of what they look like
<http://www.signalfan.freeservers.com/controllers/transyt1.htm>. FWIW I
also found a couple of Eagle controllers and I checked them, they used
68008 CPUs.
OK, Now go find those controllers!
Joe
I posted several images from my bubble memory collection. I will be
posting better images and more historical information shortly. I have
a nice Sharp module too, but couldn't find my image of that. The URL
is:
http://gallery.owt.com/~anheier/index.src
enjoy!
Norm
Hi Steve,
>The 1050 uses the "standard" Atari 9 volt AC wall-wart that also powers the
>early computers (400 / 800). It was a 31 Watt unit. They came out with a
>"beefier" unit later, but for the 1050 the earlier one is fine. As such
>polarity is a non-issue. If you plug the unit in without a computer
>connected and power it up, the LED on the drive will come ON and you can
>hear the spindle motor turn ON and hear the head stepper motor "seeking"
>track zero, and then the LED goes out and the spindle and stepper motors
>stop.
Last night, I took the drive apart and checked it out (all looks good), I
could see a rectifier on the input, so I concur that it is AC.
I cobbled together a 9V ac supply and powered it up - I did observe exactly
what you indicate, the drive comes on, spins, and the head steps out and back
>from and to track zero.
>The software that came with the 1050 only made it a "dual density" as they
>called it drive. It actually provided 1.5 times the capacity. Later 3rd
>parity software provided actual "double density" performance. The disks are
>not IBM compatible. I could probably find a disk for you if I look hard
>enough.
>
>Your last question is kind of a "trick" question. On Ebay you can
>buy a SIO2PC cable that will allow your PC to emulate an Atari disk drive,
>and there are "images" that can be downloaded to do this function.
>
>The Atari disk drives contain a "micro-computer" system (6502 based) that
>talks to the floppy disk controller and interfaces to the Atari computer
>over a 19.2 KBaud serial data link. You can send commands directly to the
>drives (without DOS) to do "primates" like Format a disk, and data sector
>puts / gets. I hope this helps.
If I connect the drive to a computer, I observed the following:
With not disk in the drive, the computer rapidly issues "Boot error" messages
continuously, and the drive remains stopped.
With a disk in the drive (not an Aari disk), the drive activates, and the
computer issues "Boot error" much more slowly - clearly it is trying to read
the unformatted disk.
So - I think the drive is working.
I was unable to find any way to get the system up with the drive connected,
so I don't see how there could be DOS in ROM as some people have suggested.
Any ideas? Is it possible to do anything with the disk without a DOS boot
disk.
This sounds like a very simiar arrangement to the C64 1541 drive, except
that the commodore boots "normally" in BASIC and you can send commands to the
drive via BASIC file operations - the Atari appears to want to boot from the
drive before you can do anything.
I'm planning to build a SIO2PC cable as soon as I can dig up an extra Atari
peripheral cable.
Regards,
--
dave04a (at) Dave Dunfield
dunfield (dot) Firmware development services & tools: www.dunfield.com
com Vintage computing equipment collector.
Hi Everybody, (Hi doctor Nick)
Picked up some more old Atari equipment at a flea market this weekend,
among other things, I got a 1050 disk drive. I have not had one of these
before.
#1) Can anyone tell me the power requirements of this drive?
(voltage, polarity, current) - this information should be on the label of
the power supply - as you probably guessed, I did not get the supply with
the drive (had an Atari computer supply in the box).
#2) The box says "Includes DOS 3 Double Density Disk Operating System", but
there were no diskettes in the box at all - presumably I need some sort
of boot disk... Anyone out there with one that can make a copy or send an
image (Can Atari images be read/written on a PC's drive?)
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Regards,
Dave
--
dave04a (at) Dave Dunfield
dunfield (dot) Firmware development services & tools: www.dunfield.com
com Vintage computing equipment collector.
Dear Mr. Allain hello.
If nobody else is interested I would like to have it, if you don't mind
sending it to Fairfax, Virginia. I'll pay of course for packing and postage.
Thank you in advance,
John Savvidis
-----Original Message-----
From: John Allain [mailto:allain@panix.com]
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 6:58 PM
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: save the Mac II (original)
Would somebody please take my Mac II?
I saved it from being scrapped at the office because of it's history,
in that it was Apple's big redesign, the first machine of the new line
-- one that completed with IBM's PS/2 line and argubly was a greater
success. I'm not a big Apple expert but it just seemed if you were
going to have a few Macs that this model would be in the top 5.
This one comes with a HiRes graphics card, matching Ikegami monitor
(17" but compact) cables, software, etc. They don't seem to be that
common, when you strip away all the variants, I haven't really found
a place to get this original model.
Help save the classiccmp.
John A.
My friend told me that they are going to get rid off a
HP E-series computer from their storage. It is a big
box with two rows of switches on the bottom half of
front panel. I am a vax guy and need some $$$ to
invest into my 3900. Do you guys think it worths to
epaying it? Thank you.
__________________________________
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dave Brown [mailto:tractorb@ihug.co.nz]
> Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2004 5:05 PM
> To:> Subject: Re: HP 9845B
>
> What country is the 9845B in Tony?
> Dave Brown
> Christchurch, New Zealand
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tony Karavidas" <tony(a)encore.1mp.net>
> To: "'General Discussion: On-Topic Posts Only'"
> <cctech(a)classiccmp.org>; <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
> Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2004 7:12 AM
> Subject: RE: HP 9845B
>
>
> > Sure.
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: cctech-bounces(a)classiccmp.org
> > > [mailto:cctech-bounces@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of
> Christoph Kotter
> > > Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2004 1:02 PM
> > > To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
> > > Subject: HP 9845B
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > my company is about to through away this computer.
> > > Do you need it ?
> > >
> >
> >
>
I have this INS8073-based board with four TIL-311s, an 8255, a 6116 and
a socket for another, an 82S23 PROM, and an MM58174A. The MM58174A is
a clock/calendar chip for which I can't seem to get the appnote for.
Google reveals an old location at the Nat'l Semi webpage (it has been
removed from their appnote dir), and a single reference at
http://www.nalanda.nitc.ac.in/industry/appnotes/Natsemi/AN-359.pdf
which refuses my connections (could be down, could be blocking U.S.
access; not sure which).
I don't care if the Digital Library of the Calcutta Technical Institute
is up or not; all I'm after is the app note for the MM58174A. Does anyone
on the list have the file 'AN-359.pdf'?
Thanks,
-ethan
P.S. - I realize a picture speaks a thousand words, but does anyone
recognize the device I've described? It was a gift from someone,
years ago. I brought it with me both as a source of TIL-311s and
because it's a complete INS8073 SBC. From what I can gather so far,
it's pretty close to the Nat'l Semi reference design, down to using
a 741-style RS-232 converter for the console interface. The only
useful markings on the PCB are "MC-1N REV-A". The layout of the
TIL-311s and the four pushbuttons on the corners of the front panel
suggest to me some sort of digital timer. There's a 2x5 jumper block
on the front that appears to be input power, serial in/out and a
few of the CPU flag pins (F2, F3). There's a 1x9 jumper block on the
back that seems to be just options, not I/O, but I haven't traced the
whole board out yet.
P.P.S. - in case you don't recognize the CPU part number, INS8073, it's
a microcontroller with Tiny Basic onboard - you wire on a level shifter,
an SRAM and an optional ROM, and _bang_, a microcontroller with a built-
in development system. It's the same processor used in the RB5X robot.
I have had this board for years, and last year, I picked up a few CPU
chips on ePay for a few bucks each. They are one of the many classic
toys I brought with me to play with through the long, winter night.
--
Ethan Dicks, A-130-S Current South Pole Weather at 18-Apr-2004 13:50 Z
South Pole Station
PSC 468 Box 400 Temp -70.8 F (-57.1 C) Windchill -94.5 F (-70.3 C)
APO AP 96598 Wind 6.2 kts Grid 074 Barometer 689 mb (10289. ft)
Ethan.Dicks(a)amanda.spole.gov http://penguincentral.com/penguincentral.html
I have seen some of these before. I had some like this from TRW. Not sure of
the numbers though.
I remember the TRW was printed on a piece of aluminum which was glued on top
of a plastic chip. IIRC one I peeled apart had an AMD 2901 underneath. Most
did not have anything printed on the plastic underneath. Seems TRW was quite
propriatary.
I also had some that I thought were 68000s underneath but with absolutely no
markings.
We had to take the aluminum cap off before they could go into scrap. Never
saw one glued to silicon or ceramic.
2901s were at the heart of some early computers but is not worth the $175.00
that the seller is asking.
Paxton
Astoria
>You really need the original Apple ][ Reference Manual. Let me know if
>you don't have a copy and we'll rectify that.
I have the Apple][ reference manual and a whole pile of other Apple reference
books and material scanned ... I'd like to make this available, but I have not
done so due to the copyright question - posting a published book which was sold
on it's own merit seems less legit than manuals which came with hardware.
Anyone have any thoughts/experiences on this?
Regards,
--
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dunfield (dot) Firmware development services & tools: www.dunfield.com
com Vintage computing equipment collector.
>I have the Apple][ reference manual and a whole pile of other Apple reference
>books and material scanned ... I'd like to make this available, but I have not
>done so due to the copyright question - posting a published book which was sold
>on it's own merit seems less legit than manuals which came with hardware.
>Anyone have any thoughts/experiences on this?
A quick follow-up to this before anyone "jumps" on me - I would not even think
about posting something which is still available from standard sources - I have
not checked to see if you can actually still buy an A2 reference manual from
anyone - perhaps there's someone with a warehouse full of them? As noted above,
this is not something that I am currently considering.
This is more of a "distant future" question - at some point the original material
will not be generally available (this may already be the case for some of it), and
people wishing to learn about these historic machines will have to either borrow it
or steal it (photocopy/scan etc.) - as books get older, rarer and more fragile,
borrowing will become harder and harder, as will physical replication. Are there
any procedures in place to allow this material to be preserved, or does it just "die
off"?
Many of the manufactures of obsolete computer hardware/software that I have been able
to contact have been very helpful. For example, when I asked Dr. Grant, co-founder of
NorthStar computers if I could post the NorthStar OS & software (under my simulator)
and scans of NS documentation, he responded "North Star is defunct so there is no
problem whatsoever. Have fun.". I've had similar responses from a number of other
people who "own" dead computer companies.
Books however are a different matter, with published books, you have both the Author
and the Publisher with interests in the book. I think it would be a lot more complex
to obtain similar permissions, but to be honest, I have not tried - anyone here ever
gotten permission to distribute the content of a published book?
Regards,
--
dave04a (at) Dave Dunfield
dunfield (dot) Firmware development services & tools: www.dunfield.com
com Vintage computing equipment collector.
Hey all you AppleII gurus...
I am starting into assembly/machine code on my apple IIc+
If I am in the monitor - how do I get back to basic?
If I am in basic Call -151 takes me to the monitor right?
If I am in the monitor A ! takes me to the mini-asembler
URL for reference for the monitor? for the mini-asembler?
What do I call to get a character? to print a character?
Where is the best place to put my Assembly/Machine code program?
Other pointers, tips, opinions, suggestions?
Thanks!
ben franchuk <bfranchuk(a)jetnet.ab.ca> wrote:
> How ever does not the PDP-11 and VAX still patents out proventing them
> from being cloned?
The Republic to which I pledge allegiance (Republic of Terra) has no bourgeois
patent laws and all intellectual assets belong to All People.
MS
Ashley Carder <wacarder(a)usit.net> wrote:
> I want a real unibus PDP-11 badly so I can move a copy of my reincarnated college
> 11/40 RSTS/E environment off Bob Supnik's simulator and onto some real hardware.
>
> It seems like the guys that have all the good stuff already just keep getting more
> while the latecomers sit here with the simulator running the old stuff on a PC via
> Telnet.
The proper way to make a real PDP-11 (or VAX or any other Classic computer)
available to everyone who wants one is put them back in FULL PRODUCTION. Not
just hobby, but real full production and commercial sales (for a reasonable
commercial price).
I'm working on a new VAX chip and will soon be putting VAXen in full production.
I can't do the same for PDP-11 because it just isn't my area of expertise, but
my close fried, comrade and associate Stacy Minkin is more on the PDP-11 side
and wants to build a new PDP-11 using FPGA technology just as much as I want to
do it for the VAX.
If you want new PDP-11s, E-mail him at stacy(a)ivan.Harhan.ORG and tell him that
you want to buy a PDP-11 and would be willing to pay a fair commercial price and
possibly finance the NRE cost. Stacy is a real engineer with a vision just as
grand as mine, so given enough people willing to buy this stuff (for real,
commercially, just like in The Days when it was new), he and I can build The
Real Thing: real microcoded CPU, honest-to-Daemon UNIBUS, etc., not a poor
man's emulator.
MS (who has just returned from a full weekend conference and is catching up
with E-mail)
If you pass through Dayton (intersection of I-75 and I-70), there's
Mendelsson's
--
screw Mendelsson's
If you're in Dayton, go to the Air Force Museum.
>From: "Vintage Computer Festival" <vcf(a)siconic.com>
>
>On Mon, 19 Apr 2004, Joe R. wrote:
>
>> Does anyone know what this is?
>> <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2589635895&category=5091
>> 6&sspagename=rvi:1:1>. The seller claims that it's a rare early CPU but I
>> don't think so.
>
>I didn't realize 1983 was considered the "early days of electronics".
>Wow, I wasn't born too late after all! Woohoo!
>
>Looks like some cheezy mock-up if you ask me. Probably rare, I'll grant
>him that (maybe), but is it significant?
>
Now, if it was a 80C187, the price would be about right.
You guys wouldn't happen to have one of those in working
condition sitting about would you?
Dwight
Since my previous posting, I've been convinced to drive to Detroit and
back instead of flying, so we'll be passing through the above cities and
probably spending a day and night in each one. Any pointers to good stuff
to do/see in or around any of them or the surrounding areas in terms of
techie stuff, old computer stuff, technology surplus stores, museums,
robotics, shows, vegetarian restaurants, etc. would be very much
appreciated. Leaving this Thursday AM. Thanks!
See below. Frederick has an RL02 available, apparently for free. Contact
Frederick to arrange for a pick-up.
Reply-to: <fscozzaf(a)twcny.rr.com>
---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 00:34:54 -0500
From: Frederick Scozzafava <fscozzaf(a)twcny.rr.com>
To: vcf(a)vintage.org
Subject: Digital RL02
Hello,
I just caught the promo/info segment on "The ScreenSavers." Very
interesting stuff.
We have a Digital RL02 system w/ dual 14" removable disk packs.
We also have more than a few spare 14" 10MB disk packs kicking around. We
actually used it until Sept. 1999. It ran a LoadSTAR auto parts POS system
in Northern New York State, and was purchased by us in 1981. LoadSTAR, a
New Jersey company, was recently acquired by CCI/Triad, now Activant.
Is this anything that you might be interested in? Or do you
know of anyone? As one who has come to terms with his "Geek Factor," I
can't bring myself to just tossing the thing out, but.it is the size of a
refrigerator, and that's not really a good thing for me at this time.
Regards,
Frederick Scozzafava
Gouverneur Auto Parts & Supply, Inc.
10-18 Park St.
Gouverneur, NY 13642
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do you still have the microscope? What do you want for it ?
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>From: "Joe R." <rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com>
>
> I found this while poking around at the Smithsonian's site.
><http://smithsonianchips.si.edu/ice/4004thb.htm>. In Windows you can click
>on each picture to get a larger view then you can right click on each
>individual picture and save just the brochure page.
>
> Joe
>
Hi
As some of you know, I have a working sim-4 board and
a '73 MCS-4 manual. I have one of the data sheets
like the Smithsonian has for the 8008 as well.
When I was at Intel, I made a simple ice like unit that
we used to test the 4040 boards use in the PROM programmers.
The 4040 is almost the same as the 4004 except a couple
added instructions and twice the memory banks.
If someone wants to scan them, I have a set of copies I
made from my manual. Becides the general information, it
includes schematics for the sim-4 and the 1702A programmer
card. I also have the code that goes on the sim-4. I've
disassembled this as well for anyone that is interested.
Dwight
>Actually the IIfx is a nice machine. 68040 40mhz and decent fx performance.
>uses special memory though.
'040?
68030 at 40 MHz
-chris
<http://www.mythtech.net>
Hi folks,
Rescued the following last night, amongst some other stuff:
* 3 large cards from a DG Nova system (?) around 16" square.
- one marked "BASIC IO CONTROL DGC NOVA (C) 1968 DATA GENERAL CORP"
This has a small board numbered 70-00196 which appears to have been
retrofitted, judging by the number of blue wires running to it
from the board itself. This seems to be in good shape.
- two related ones, one marked "TELETYPE PLOTTER WITH ALPHANUMERICS
ISSUE 1" and then in the top corner "LINK SYSTEMS LTD MADE IN ENGLAND"
2 ICs are missing and one is smashed open, and this board has a 3" or so
rip in it
- the other marked "TELETYPE PLOTTER WITH ALPHANUMERICS OPTIONS/Q.E.D."
2 ICs are missing from this one. 2 presets mounted on one side of this
board look the worse for wear.
* Motorola VME? board of some kind. 68020 CPU, 2/3 of VME height (has 2
of the VME-style connectors on one side), 50-pin IDC header on the
opposite side, along with 2 switches, 2 red LEDs and 2 green LEDs.
* "Opus" badged ADC MM-211 mono monitor, slight screenburn at bottom of
CRT, has a DE9 connector with only 6 pins fitted. CGA/EGA?
The above are free to good home - you pay postage or collect from near
Leeds, UK.
Not sure whether these are worth anything or not:
* 2 BOC Edwards vacuum meters, one marked "PENNING 8" and one marked
"PIRANI 11". About 4"x6" faces, panel mount, mains powered. Each one
has a switch to select between ranges, and inputs on the back for the
metering hardware.
* Watkins-Johnson WJ-269-I Low Noise Amplifier, 2.3-4.5GHz in weird cylindrical
black case, 110-120VAC.
* Marconi "TF 868B Universal Bridge". Seems in nice condition except for
what look like two sets of concentric knobs on the top panel of the unit
have been smashed, and the top plate is cracked where this has happened.
Make me an offer I can't refuse ;)
I'd like Real Money(TM) for the following:
* Farnell PU164A rack-mounted telco PSU, provides +5V, +/-12V, -50V, all @
big amps by the looks of the output busbars that were attached to it.
Has mains lead, which is just as well as it uses a Bulgin 3-pin mains
connector rather than an IEC320 socket. 2U I think. Weighs 12.5kg
according to a sticker on it.
* Half height (waist height) 19" rack, in fetching chocolate brown colour
with folding handles on both sides. Has a piece of kitchen work surface
on the top in an attractive pine finish ;) Put your servers in your kitchen?
(The ultimate in domestically-acceptable 19" racks maybe?) Has big castors
for ease of shiftage.
Again, please make an offer by email if you're interested, otherwise they
hit ePay.
And the following I'll most likely keep, but anything anyone can tell me
about it would be much appreciated (specifically what's needed in terms of
hardware/software to control it):
* HP computer-controlled test & measurement system, comprising:
- 61001A System Power Unit
- 61010A Digital I/O
- 61011A Relay Mux
- 61012A Dual Voltage DAC
- 61013A Digital Multimeter
- 61014A Function Generator
- 61015A Counter
- 61016A Digitizing Oscilloscope
- 61017A Relay Actuator
I had thought these would be HPIB, but the cable (26-way ribbon) looks nothing
like it. Any/all info about these would be most handy.
And now to the "rainwater" bit - I found all this in a skip (or "dumpster"
for those of you of a North American persuasion) which was outside, so these
things have been being rained on (except the telco PSU, which was in the rack
and so will have been protected from rain). I haven't opened any of them up
yet to check for corrosion, but I've spotted some rust on the edge of the
casing of the 61001A already. What's the best way to deal with this stuff
to prevent any further damage, and rectify (if necessary) any that the
water has caused, if indeed it's caused any at all? Other than obvious
corrosion, how would I tell? None of it was lying in standing water, FWIW -
I don't think there was any in the skip, and this stuff was all well above
it.
TIA,
Ed.
Well, the Mac II is rather big and heavy although I guess you can stack other
Mac models on top of it. I prefer the toaster macs since they are what people
think of when you say macintosh.
Actually the IIfx is a nice machine. 68040 40mhz and decent fx performance.
uses special memory though.
witchy(a)binarydinosaurs.co.uk writes:
It would be for me, but I've already got one. Is there much interest for
original Macs here? I'm beginning to wonder after nobody replied to me
question about a dead Mac IIfx last week
Has anyone worked on, or thought about working on, a "price guide"
specifically for PDP-11 (or PDP-8, or VAX) hardware? I know of Michael
Nadeu's book for microcomputers (which I keep meaning to buy), but this
is really a different realm of things, as you can configure (for
example) a PDP-11/23 in a whole lot more ways than you could with a
C-64. I've thought "hmm, this would really be handy" a few times
before, but haven't had much time to sit down and work on it.
It'd be nice if I could keep it up to date, and use multiple data
sources (not just past marketplace.vintage.org sales), including eBay
and semi-private sales. Also, a "rarity" quantity of some sort would
be useful, and could just be "very rare" for, say, the preverbial 11/74
(the one that's supposedly 2 CPUs), to "common" for an 11/23.
Thoughts?
Pat
--
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The Computer Refuge --- http://computer-refuge.org
I thought long and hard about posting this on the list, not wanting to draw
attention to it as it's in an odd category on Ebay.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3092118791&category=6403…
It's an HP 7900A drive, looks to be in great shape, and includes 7 pieces of
media. After a long pause I decided I had enough of these. Odd, there was a
day when I'd give my left arm for one of these, now I have a couple. So
Ashley, here's an example - keep looking and the stuff does show up. Someone
please get this drive and don't let it go to the scrapper! Also, make sure
to get the 13215A power supply for this drive the seller also has under a
separate auction, the drive is worthless without it. And do NOT use the
media for this drive in a 7905/06, or vice versa, they look the same but
you'll be really sorry :) If no one bids or wants this drive I may bid on it
just to save it but I'd rather see someone else get it.
The same seller is also selling a pretty nice 1000E cpu, a 12979 I/O
expansion unit stuffed with cards, and another auction with keyboard and
some cables.
I can tell the 1000E cpu does have the right controller in it for this drive
(dual 13210 interface).
But please don't anyone bid on the DSU he has up in a separate auction, I
want that very badly!!! :)
Jay West
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Rich,
I am emailing you to see if you still have an 8" floppy drive for sale. If
so I would like to purchase one.
Sean S.
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Does anyone on this list have any of the following
items that they would be interested in getting rid of:
PDP 11/40 with rack and RK05 drive(s)
VT50 or VT52 DecScope
LA36 Decwriter
RK05 pack with RSTS/E
I would like to attempt to reconstruct the computer
that my friends and I used in college from 1975-80.
Our former professor who was also director of the
computer center and is now retired has indicated that
he might offer some assistance in reconstructing the
environment if we can find a PDP 11/40. Our college
junked their 11/40 in 1989 or shortly thereafter. The
new generation of computer people there "cleaned up"
old junk and threw away anything that was left from
the 11/40 that we knew and loved.
We have created a pretty faithful replica using Bob
Supnik's emulator and have it available via TELNET
on the internet. Several of us had complete prints
>from the late 70s of all the source programs on the
system. It was running RSTS/E with Basic Plus. It took
a while to find someone with a soft copy of the
Basic Plus version of ADVENTure, but I was able to get
a copy from someone who was in Project Delta and
have loaded that to our RK05 disk image for our
simulated 11/40.
We would like to get our hands on the real hardware
so we can feel the heat and hear the fans whirring
once again!
Thanks for any and all help that anyone can provide!
Ashley
>> Thanks for the info - I did a bit of looking and found
>> several references once I mentioned "Atari 400" - turns out
>> the supplies are AC, which probably explains why your DMM is
>> having trouble determining the polarity.
>
>Interesting - the one I've got here has DC markings on it! Now I'm confused.
Really! - is it the original supply? I'd really like to know FOR SURE before I try
and power this thing up - I think tonight I will take it apart and look to see if
there is an internal rectifier/filter/regulator etc.
Btw, Here are some links so the AC references:
http://www.vidgame.net/misc_utility/cross_ref.htmhttp://www.faqs.org/faqs/atari-8-bit/faq/section-35.htmlhttp://www.myoldcomputers.com/museum/comp/atari400.htm
>The only Atari machine that didn't have DOS built in out of the box was the
>400. All the rest from the 800 upwards supported disks because they had the
>extra memory and ROM commands. It's a while since I've played with any of my
>1050s though, but I know where the disks are if nobody with easier access
>comes up first.
Can you (or anyone else) tell me how to access the DOS in ROM? Basically, I
would like to format a disk and write/read something to verify that the drive
is working - as noted previously, I have no diskettes at all for this drive.
Regards,
--
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dunfield (dot) Firmware development services & tools: www.dunfield.com
com Vintage computing equipment collector.
I've got a bashed up TRS-80 model 12 sans keyboard, so...
Can anybody out there give me the specs for the keyboard
connector? Looks like a 5 pin DIN, I guess a serial
connection of some kind. I need both the wiring (which
pin is which) and the comm specs (baud rate, etc.). It
is probably the same as the keyboard for the model 2 and
model 16, in case that helps.
Alternatively, if anybody has an appropriate keyboard to
spare, that would be great too!
Also, while I'm asking, can anybody recommend a kind
of glue for putting the shell back together? The poor
thing took some damage in shipping. It looks like some
kind of resin. Acetone did not seem to have any effect
on the stuff. I've put a few bits together with "super
glue" (cyanoacrylate), but have doubts about it holding
very well.
Thanks!
Bill.
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Hi Adrian,
>> #1) Can anyone tell me the power requirements of this drive?
>If you go to www.classiccmp.org or google and search the archives you'll
>find a thread or 2 on power supplies for the Atari 400/800 - these are the
>same ones that run the 1050 floppy. The one I have here that recently
>powered my Atari 400 and 1200XL is marked as 9.5V 1.5A but it's acting up so
>my DMM won't tell me whether it's centre positive or not.
Thanks for the info - I did a bit of looking and found several references once
I mentioned "Atari 400" - turns out the supplies are AC, which probably explains
why your DMM is having trouble determining the polarity.
>> need some sort
>> of boot disk... Anyone out there with one that can make a
>> copy or send an
>> image (Can Atari images be read/written on a PC's drive?)
>
>I don't think so, you might need an SIO2PC cable to do that. Hopefully Curt
>will be along with more info shortly, as long as he's been allowed back in
>after his out-of-office faux pas the other week :)
Ok. I'll do some more looking around as well. Do you know if there are any disk
I/O functions build into the ROMs of the computer and/or drive (like the C64),
or do I absolutely need a boot disk in order to make the drive do anything (so
I can figure out if it works or not)?
Regards,
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com Vintage computing equipment collector.
In a message dated 4/17/04 2:59:57 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
healyzh(a)aracnet.com writes:
Some interesting things for the traditional Stereo Card format could
probably be done with a properly hacked pair of digital cameras. I'm
not sure what might have been done along these lines.
Photography in one of my avocations too. Last "buy nothing day" I bought a
Pentax Optio 430RS digital camera for an upcoming trip to Mexico.
To my surprise it has a stereo mode and came with an interesting stereo
viewer. It looks like it will be fun to play with. First you shoot one pic, move
the camera slightly and shoot the second pic. They are both recorded on one
frame. You then print the pic on a normal color printer which prints the two
images on one sheet of paper.
Comes with a chart on how much to move the camera for a given focusing
distance to get an optimum stereo effect.
The viewer is a pop together piece of translucent plastic which you then set
on the print and look through the lenses to see the stereo picture. Folds flat.
I was surprised to see stereo in the camera and a viewer in the box. Someone
high up in Pentax has a stereo bug.
I took a couple of stereo pics. Enough to see there is a learning curve.
Didn't use stereo on the trip. Turned out to be a good first digital camera for
the trip, though.
Hi,
> I need 10.20 and all compliers can you help me.
Possibly. We can't supply you the compilers or operating system,
as the only copy we own is on a computer we own ... but we can
discuss compilation services if that's what you're interested in.
In somewhat other words, I'm indirectly asking: is this for
hobbyist wants, or business needs?
thanks,
Stan
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On Apr 16, 18:53, Dwight K. Elvey wrote:
> Well, I just saw a disk with the tag mounted such that
> it was diagonally mounted( looks like a little triangle
> from each side ). There are no parallel edges to catch
> on things as one slides the disk in and out. The
> sharp corners that might catch are on the edge of the
> disk and unlikely to cause the tag to lift.
> Has anyone else tried this? What do you think?
I've been doing this for years, with the square Dysan tabs, and it does
seem to work better. Most of my WP tabs are getting a bit old, as they
came with the original purchases of 5.25" DD disks!
--
Pete Peter Turnbull
Network Manager
University of York
On Apr 18, 14:31, Ethan Dicks wrote:
>
> I don't care if the Digital Library of the Calcutta Technical
Institute
> is up or not; all I'm after is the app note for the MM58174A. Does
anyone
> on the list have the file 'AN-359.pdf'?
Google doesn't seem to have cached any of the files it references, but
you can get it at http://www.dunnington.u-net.com/tmp/nsc05304.pdf
--
Pete Peter Turnbull
Network Manager
University of York
And since I'm the new kid on the block here on this list, I guess I'll just have to
sit here in the Southeast and salivate as I watch you guys who are way ahead of
me go home with more good stuff!!!!!
I want a real unibus PDP-11 badly so I can move a copy of my reincarnated college
11/40 RSTS/E environment off Bob Supnik's simulator and onto some real hardware.
It seems like the guys that have all the good stuff already just keep getting more
while the latecomers sit here with the simulator running the old stuff on a PC via
Telnet.
No, I'm not whining..... :-)
Ashley
P.S. If any of you ever want to give a PDP-11 to a good home......
-----Original Message-----
From: Patrick Finnegan <pat(a)computer-refuge.org>
Sent: Apr 16, 2004 1:33 PM
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Subject: Re: DEC VAX 785 and PDP11/70's in Kansas City
McFadden, Mike declared on Friday 16 April 2004 10:51 am:
> I just got word from a friend that a company in Kansas City is
> planning to dispose of the following.
>
> DEC VAX 785 in three 6' cabinets
> DEC PDP 11/70 in ten 6' cabinets, this may be two computers
> 4 RM03 disk drives
> 2 TU80 tape drives
> Other disks for VAX
> That is what they remembered without actually having a list.
And just perfect the wrong time for me to be able to "help" with
anything. Maybe.
Of course, it looks like I'm too far from the top of the list to be given
the opportunity to help... Still I would love to have any part of
this... the RM03's would work nicely on my 11/750 that needs some
drives.
Pat
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Today I found a couple of multibus cards made by TI. One of them is
marked TM990/210. In addition to a TI TMS9916NL LSIC, it has six large
yellow "blocks" on it that I THINK may be bubble memories. They're about 1
1/4" square and about 7/16" thick and are marked "TIB 0203S, 23May80 -1,
MSK=627573, 8B, 958-S-40, 24-164-11". They're in flattened out metal
cylinders with a black epoxy looking material in the center. There are
seven leads coming out of each end and there is what looks like a small
plastic transistor clipped to the side of the package. It looks like a
transistor but only has two leads so I'm guessing that it's probably a
temperatrure sensor. Does anyone know if these are bubble memories? I've
had TI bubble memories before but they didn't look anything like this.
Anyone know what these cards are? the second one is marked TM990/310. It
has three TI TMS9901s on it along with many SSI ICs.
Joe
Google's HTML cache version is available at
http://216.239.59.104/search?q=cache:7YLcoB-5lv0J:www.nalanda.nitc.ac.in/ind
ustry/appnotes/Natsemi/AN-359.pdf+%22AN-359.pdf
but the note itself seems to have been removed from Nat Semi's lists.
See ..
http://www.national.com/an/AN/
.. for what there is available.
Lee.
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At 17:00 17/04/2004 -0700, you wrote:
>
>I want to start getting some of the BASIC programs I am writing on
>my IIC+ out for sharing, I also want to be able to make use of some
>of the disk images out on the internet (apple.asimov...)
>
>How can I do these things?
>
>URL's for good web pages?
>
>Anybody else into Apple II?
Hi Ron,
To transfer images from my Franklin, I built a serial card using a
6551 UART running 19200 bps, and wrote a set of programs for the
Apple and the PC to transfer images over a serial link - takes about
a minute and a half as I recall to transfer a disk.
Do you have a serial interface for the IIC+?
Regards,
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dunfield (dot) Firmware development services & tools: www.dunfield.com
com Vintage computing equipment collector.
I want to start getting some of the BASIC programs I am writing on
my IIC+ out for sharing, I also want to be able to make use of some
of the disk images out on the internet (apple.asimov...)
How can I do these things?
URL's for good web pages?
Anybody else into Apple II?
Reading my previous post it looks like it came from Zane. Sorry I forgot to
sign it.
I do like my Optio camera but it shows some of the limitations of earlier
cameras. It is probably the last of it's line. Lots of manual options is one of
the reasons why I like it. The limitations are two "f" stops and only 100 & 200
ASA
Paxton
Astoria, OR.
>If you can settle for 4 x 6 inches (roughly), you can get everything
>needed for $125. That seems not too bad to me, for software I actually like
>to use, as opposed to "can get by with".
Actually 160x100mm (Eurocard size) which is 6.4 x 4 inches... never seems to be quite big enough! I bought the nonprofit version for $125 or so which has that limit.
>Agreed, the $1200 (that I paid) for the unlimited version is a ton of money
>for software. (Maybe you are the target audience for PCB123 :-).)
$1200? I thought the top of the line was $495 (which IMHO is still a ton of money).
Meanwhile, for PCB shops I have been very happy with Olimex (www.olimex.com) in Bulgaria. If you're not in a flaming hurry (airmail takes about 10-12 days but is only $8) they will make a Eurocard-sized two layer, silkscreen, solder masked board for $26, directly from your emailed Eagle .SCH and .BRD files. Turnaround time is 3-5 days not counting the airmail.
-Charles
I have two interesting ISA boards available. The first is a
hewlett-packard HPIB card and the second is a single board computer
with an Intel DX2-66. I presume these are in working order,but can not
verify. $10 each + shipping.
Thanks Norm
Hello all,
I got rid of most of the magazines I mentioned in my last mail.
What I have left (some OT) are the following:
PC Magazine: Volumes 5 and 7 (1986 and 1988)
PC World: 1984 - 2.1, 2.2, 2.5, 2.7, 2.8, 2.9. 2.10, 2.11, 2.13
1985 - Everything except November and December
1988 - 10,11,12
1997 - All
1998 - All
1999 - All
2000 - 1-4
PC Computing: 1994 - 1998 missing Aug of 1995
Personal Computing: 4/1985 - 12/1988
I will be disposing of the rest of these by next weekend unless someone
wants them.
Speak up now or forever hold your peace (or something to that effect)
Erik Klein
www.vintage-computer.comwww.vintage-computer.com/vcforum
The Vintage Computer Forum
At 08:41 AM 4/17/04 -0700, Peter Wallace
wrote:
>On Fri, 16 Apr 2004, Joe R. wrote:
>
>> Today I found a couple of multibus cards made by TI. One of them is
>> marked TM990/210. In addition to a TI TMS9916NL LSIC, it has six large
>> yellow "blocks" on it that I THINK may be bubble memories. They're about 1
>> 1/4" square and about 7/16" thick and are marked "TIB 0203S, 23May80 -1,
>> MSK=627573, 8B, 958-S-40, 24-164-11". They're in flattened out metal
>> cylinders with a black epoxy looking material in the center. There are
>> seven leads coming out of each end and there is what looks like a small
>> plastic transistor clipped to the side of the package. It looks like a
>> transistor but only has two leads so I'm guessing that it's probably a
>> temperatrure sensor. Does anyone know if these are bubble memories? I've
>> had TI bubble memories before but they didn't look anything like this.
>> Anyone know what these cards are? the second one is marked TM990/310. It
>> has three TI TMS9901s on it along with many SSI ICs.
>>
>> Joe
>>
>
>Are you sure they are Multibus? TM990 sounds more like they go in TI 9900
>series backplane...
No I'm not. I had just got home with them and haven't checked them to be
sure but they look like Multibus. Let me go check.
Nope, it's not. It's not as wide as a Multibus card and the contacts and
contact row are narrower. Rats!
Joe
>
>
>>
>
I just acquired a Power Book 170. Hopefully it is old enough to be on topic
here.
It looks to be in great physical shape but I have a few questions.
When I plug it in there is a mouse pointer and a small blinking diskette.
1. What do I do next? What disk is it looking for?
2. Should there be a hard drive in this computer?
3. If there is a hard drive why should it be looking for a diskette?
4. Battery does hold a charge
=================================
Gene Ehrich
gehrich(a)tampabay.rr.com
>From: "Jay West" <jwest(a)classiccmp.org>
>
>> > Model Rockets, anyone?
>That used to be a HUGE hobby of mine. Haven't done anything with it in
>years. I want SO bad to get back into it, and design heavier rockets than
>balsa and cardboard. Need a better propellant though - love to try LOX. But
>that's not the the real goal that makes me want to get back into it. I want
>to program microcontrollers to launch inside of it and regulate movable
>control surfaces. I want to paint a huge target on the ground (grass), and
>the competition would be to see how close you could get the rocket to target
>(and hit) the bullseye. Twould be fun stuff.
>
>Jay
>
Hi
I used to make saltpeter and sugar rockets when I was a kid.
To bad one can't get saltpeter anymore without signing your life away.
I used to have about a 75% successful launch rate. The others
would tend to clog the nozzle and blow up on the pad. I even
made a two stage that the second stage went out of sight. A
couple minutes later, I saw the smoke trail and recovered the
top stage. All great fun.
Dwight
I'm a frelling long way from Kansas (New York) but I could seriously use an
RM03 or two for testing against the Setasi emulated RM03 setup on my
pdp-10s(s)...
Mike
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Hi
I just saw something interesting on ebay. Now for
years, I've been carefully placing the tags on the
disk nice and square. I even pre-bend them so that
there is little or no force pulling them off the surface.
Still, one or another will eventually snag on one of the
corners and lift up.
Well, I just saw a disk with the tag mounted such that
it was diagonally mounted( looks like a little triangle
>from each side ). There are no parallel edges to catch
on things as one slides the disk in and out. The
sharp corners that might catch are on the edge of the
disk and unlikely to cause the tag to lift.
Has anyone else tried this? What do you think?
Dwight
I found this while poking around at the Smithsonian's site.
<http://smithsonianchips.si.edu/ice/4004thb.htm>. In Windows you can click
on each picture to get a larger view then you can right click on each
individual picture and save just the brochure page.
Joe
At 09:29 PM 4/16/04 -0500, Jay wrote:
>> > Model Rockets, anyone?
>That used to be a HUGE hobby of mine. Haven't done anything with it in
>years. I want SO bad to get back into it, and design heavier rockets than
>balsa and cardboard. Need a better propellant though - love to try LOX.
>that's not the the real goal that makes me want to get back into it. I want
>to program microcontrollers to launch inside of it and regulate movable
>control surfaces. I want to paint a huge target on the ground (grass), and
>the competition would be to see how close you could get the rocket to target
>(and hit) the bullseye.
Hey Jay,
Also thanks for Uncle Sam I have a large quantity of these
<http://www.analog.com/Analog_Root/productPage/productHome/0%2C2121%2Cgeneri
c%253DADXL150%2526level4%253D%25252D1%2526Language%253DEnglish%2526level1%25
3D212%2526level2%253D%25252D1%2526level3%253D%25252D1%2526resourceWebLawID%2
53D0%2C00.html>.
Do you want some to play with?
Joe
I just got word from a friend that a company in Kansas City is planning
to dispose of the following.
DEC VAX 785 in three 6' cabinets
DEC PDP 11/70 in ten 6' cabinets, this may be two computers
4 RM03 disk drives
2 TU80 tape drives
Other disks for VAX
That is what they remembered without actually having a list.
I'm trying to set up a time to actually see them.
Here is the other information I have received.
There is a company from Topeka that will take them away if they are paid
to remove them.
The 785 was running 3 months ago when they erased all of the media.
It has been about a year since the 11/70's were on.
They are not currently running.
They are checking on the legal requirements that they may have to go
through to dispose of these units.
They are worried about making sure they aren't legally libel if somebody
dumps them improperly.
Whoever takes them away may have to be a GE approved vender.
I'll keep everybody informed.
Thanks
Mike
>From: "John Allain" <allain(a)panix.com>
>
>> ( looks like a little triangle from each side ).
>
>You've mentioned the pro-'s. For a con, there's the fact the the
>length of the bent edge is 40% greater, meaning that residual
>restoration force (to unbend) will be greater.
>
>John A.
Hi John
An issue for the plastic tags but not for the aluminum ones.
I always prefold the plastic ones with good success. It
is still a pain.
Dwight
>From: "Scott Stevens" <sastevens(a)earthlink.net>
>
>On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 13:47:42 -0700 (PDT)
>Cameron Kaiser <spectre(a)floodgap.com> wrote:
>
>> > I also collect recent vintage United States banknotes
>>
>> So do I. I have this bad habit of trading them away, though. ^^
>>
>
>I got a 1934 $10 bill in change last week. I collect foreign coins, older ones
preferred, and only (for the most part) in copper. You can get a 17th century
British farthing for under $5 most times. I love the history more than the
'value' of the pieces. Same as I do with old computers.
>
>
Hi
I'd like to collect gold coins when I find them. I've
not found any yet but I always keep an eye out for them. ;)
I have found some gold, panning, but not enough to do
anything with.
Dwight
I have the Vector Graphic machine listed in the subject line. It
is a tan S-100 box with black panel, and a tan monitor that
carries a logo plate that says "VECTOR MT".
This Vector is equipped with a hard drive and a single DSDD 100tpi
floppy disk drive. The hard drive controller (ST-506 interface)
and the floppy drive controller (16 hard sector) are contained in
the same S-100 card. The card etch dates it as 1980, and a silk
screened note says it is a "FD & HD Controller".
Despite considerable time spent with google and other search
engines, I have been unable to locate any information of value
about this machine.
I have been using it quite successfully for some time. However,
very recently, access to the floppy has become most erratic and
the usual result is the error message "DRIVE NOT READY".
However, on occasion it is possible to read the directory and read
some of the files on an installed disk.
I suspect that the cause of the problems are with the controller
card, but without documentation I hardly know where to start any
troubleshooting.
So, to the point of all of this! If anyone has any documentation
on this machine that they would be willing to share with me,
please contact me either privately or publically. It will be
highly appreciated!!!
- don
Hi
Other collections:
1. Pinball machines ( takes a lot of space ).
2. Old battery radios.( middle to early 20's )
3. Interesting mechanical things ( like a coffee cup Stirling engine ).
4. Telescopes
5. Like others, boxes and boxes of data books and manuals.
6. Empty soda and beer cans that I intend to get recycle redemption for.
Dwight
I should probably search the archive, but has anyone experience with RA90's?
I got one recently and when I powered it up (after a thorough cleaning)
it faulted with E9.
I have (thankfully) several manuals for this device and it seems to
indicate the solenoid which "pulls the pin" on what looks like the voice
coil head motion thing may be sticking. "head motion thing" - that's a
techinical term.
(ok, if you must know, I bought it on ebay, but for 2 orders of
magnitude less than the truck full of pdp's :-)
I've decided that I like RA90's better than RA81's :-) mostly because I
can lift them :-)
The drive spins up and I can run the diagnostics. The simple tests work.
any thoughts?
-brad
Hi.
I have a MTI Stingray SCSI HSC. I.e. a 3 U 19" rack mount box that has a
VAX CI (4 x Coax) interface on one side and a (HVD) SCSI interface on
the other side. It appears on the CI as single cluster node with several
attached disks, like a real DEC HSC.
Together with the HSC come four SCSI drive canisters. Each of it can hold
at least two SCSI disks. The SCSI drive canisters also contain some
electronic to convert the 8 bit single ended SCSI bus of the disks to the
8 bit HVD SCSI bus of the Stingray HSC.
There is also rack mount stuff for the drive canisters. So you can get a
complete CI HSC with 7 SCSI disks in 9 U 19" rack space.
I have a MTI CIQBA Qbus to CI adapter also. Yes, a Qbus to CI adapter.
It needs special (VMS) drivers that you can get from MTI.
There are no disks in the canisters. I had to leave the disks at the
company where I got this machinery. There where some Seagate and
Micropolis disks in the range from 2 to 4 GB in the canisters.
I suspect that 7 x 4 GB is sufficient for a small home VAX cluster. ;-)
Unfortunately I don't have any cables, so I can't test this. All I did
was to plug in a MMJ cable to the console of the Stingray SCSI HSC and
play with its firmware.
I would like to trade SCSI HSC + drive canisters + CIQBA for some other
nifty equipment, preferably DEC, but I am interrested in any *ix stuff.
(Even if it is younger then 10 years. Special Interrest: SGI Octane CPU
mudule > 300 MHz R12k or Vpro GFX or HP9000 Cxxxx. ;-) )
--
tsch??,
Jochen
Homepage: http://www.unixag-kl.fh-kl.de/~jkunz/
Hey gang. My mate and I are going to be in Detroit over the weekend of
April 24-25 and I was wondering if any of you know of any technological
(or just interesting) events or locations we should visit while we're
there. We have some flexibility in arriving a few days early and/or
staying a few days late, so anywhere around that weekend would be fine.
Sorry folks I ment it for Al Kossow.
Dwight
>From: "Dwight K. Elvey" <dwight.elvey(a)amd.com>
>
>Hi Al
> I'm going to need to dump some 2708's soon. Do
>you think I can get the manuals back on Monday?
>Dwight
>
>
>
I have a couple of Tricord Powerframe 30 computers that are destined for scrap.
These are huge i486 boxes with all proprietary components. If anyone wants
any parts of these, let me know and I'll remove and ship the parts.
Martin Marshall
Hi all !
Yesterday, I got the hand on a Fujitsu drive model 2443 (rack version). The drive seems to be in a good shape.
The only problem is, that the front door with the control panel is missing, I figured it out with the help of the manual on Al's site (thanks once again, Al !!).
Unfortunately, the manual doesn't contain schematics of the drive, so that I could rebuild a control panel, as it just has several light indicators and some switches.
Does anybody have schematics for the control panel of this beast or a panel he would like to sell or get rid off ?
Any help is appreciated
Pierre
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I found one of these today. Is anyone familar with them? This one is a 16
bit ISA card and I can't find anything about this model on the net. Does
anyone know if it's compatible with the current wireless LAN cards?
Joe
Does anyone know of any computer related meaning for the name/acronym
SSMEC? I've found some Honeywell H316 parts that are marked 'for program
SSMEC'. I've found one definition of SSMEC but the meanng seems to be a
little too fantastic.
Joe
I was searching for info on a sony floppy and ran across your website.
There was a question on it that was exactly what I need to know. I have a
piece of equipment that uses 2 floppy drives, not a pc. They are Sony
MP-F52W-00D which I can't find anywhere. Sony has one available for $525
which is a little expenbsive for a 3.5 inch drive. Can you tell me anything
about these drives, ie, what type are they, and are there any current drives
that would replace them. Maybe there are some still available somewhere.
Tahnks