- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by MTPro＠aol.com

> > However, I have run Windows NT 4.0 on both DEC Alpha systems, and on an > > IBM RS/6000 box** . > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > You are so weird. > > > (** I'm probably one of the .0001% of people who has seen > a Windows NT > > desktop on a PowerPC system) > > (but then so am I ;) Did you see it running on an Apple Common Hardware Reference Platform (CHRP) box, or an IBM one? I was really looking forward to being able to run my Mac OS and IBM's OS/2 on future Macs back in 1995! That's almost 10 years ago now! Best, David Greelish, classiccomputing.com

22 years, 2 months

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Downsizing a Convex SPP1600?

by Arno_1983＠gmx.de

Hello everybody, as there were a few posts about HP Convex multiprocessor computers on the list last week, I thought I'd jump in and ask a few questions for the job I'm currently doing a few hours a week. The University of Erlangen (Northern Bavaria) has a collection of computing equipment and the like, which is run by a former boss of the regional computing centre. When I showed up there at the beginning of my Electrical Engineering studies and had a talk with him, he offered me a student job - which I subsequently accepted. A few months ago we got a Convex SPP-1600 which was decommissioned by the computing center due to a hardware fault (rumour: Bad PSU in one cabinet). This is a 3-cabinet unit and we would like to show part of it as an exhibit - since the entire computer is too big to fit in our showroom, we would like to set up only one unit and put the remaining two into storage. The question now is: Could this sucker be reconfigured in a way which would allow the separated unit (obviously one with a sound PSU...) to actually operate, using the original HP frontend machine? I understand the memory interconnects between the processors are fairly complex so I fear it's not just a matter of "un-plug and play"... We haven't found any documentation about such reconfiguration jobs and we think it might not even been handed out to customers. Calling HP Field Service is obviously out of question (obsolete machine, constrained budget), so any information about this is greatly appreciated. Yours sincerely -- Arno Kletzander Stud. Hilfskraft Informatik Sammlung Erlangen www.iser.uni-erlangen.de "Sie haben neue Mails!" - Die GMX Toolbar informiert Sie beim Surfen! Jetzt aktivieren unter http://www.gmx.net/info

22 years, 2 months

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Ancient Electronics (was Re: List charter mods & headcount... ;

by msokolov＠ivan.Harhan.ORG

Fred Cisin <cisin(a)xenosoft.com> wrote: > ... and where is Bill Gates REALLY from? >From Hell of course, where else?

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Modern Electronics (was Re: List charter mods & headcount... ;

by msokolov＠ivan.Harhan.ORG

> Are we really "doomed" to re-invent the vacuum tube? ;) My dad told me that he designed special vacuum tubes for the Soviet Venus missions, which were special tubes made of ceramics that could work at 500 deg C. Those spacecraft were able to last several hours on Venus before giving up the ghost. No semiconductor can work at 500 deg C. MS

22 years, 2 months

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Diablo 33F (Series 30) Disk Drive (D.G. Nova, Datapoint, etc) F.A.

by msg＠waste.org

Greetings: Please view our auction listing for a Diablo Series 30 disk drive: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5103296988 This drive was part of a Data General Nova configuration; this model was also commonly used on Datapoint (2200) systems and many other minicomputers. The Diablo I/O bus was also used by plug-compatible drive makers. Included is a complete set of manuals on CD-ROM in PDF format. Funds are badly needed and any interest in this drive is much appreciated. Regards, Michael Grigoni Cybertheque Museum msg(a)REMOVETHIScybertheque.org

22 years, 2 months

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Atari 520 at a yard sale today

by CCTalk＠catcorner.org

Never owned one, but couldn't resist. Complete Atari 520 ST, with floppy drive and power supplies. Any ACTIVE resources out there for these? I wouldn't mind upgrading the TOS, memory or putting together a hard disk interface. It has a video out port, and a composite NTSC out too. Thanks, Kelly

22 years, 2 months

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Modern Electronics (Batteies)

by msokolov＠ivan.Harhan.ORG

David V. Corbin <dvcorbin(a)optonline.net> wrote: > If a "sufficiently advanced technogoloy is indistinguishable from magic" and > many people that magic once existed on earth, is it not possible that the > older civilizations were actually more advanced than ours????? That's what Erich von Daniken, Zecharia Sitchin, Michael Cremo, David Hatcher Childress and me have been saying for a long time. MS

22 years, 2 months

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Looking for BA23 rack mount hardware

by bob＠jfcl.com

Actually, I guess what I really need is one of those 14 slot double high BA23 rack mount chassis that DEC used on big MicroVAX systems. It probably wasn't called a BA23, but it was effectively two BA23s stacked up, with two power supplies, a double backplane and room for four 5 1/4" drives. Just in case somebody happens to have one lying around that they don't want :-) Bob

22 years, 2 months

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resubscribing to list

by lgwalker＠mts.net

I am resubscribing to the list after about 2 years absence due to the # of posts, the DEC and mini predominance, and the time I was spending going thru the posts. I had also forgotten the access to info and the humor and off-beat perspectives of many of the members. The final thrust was the post by Tony Duell which I am still giggling about. > And FWIW, according to the current UK educational standards I don't know > how to use a computer (!)... > -tony So I'm back unless Jay rejects me. And I imagine some members will not welcome the crazy Canuck. Too bad Ward (Mr. TRS-80) still hasn't relented. (I hear a collective groan from some members) Lawrence

22 years, 2 months

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New finds. Silicon Graphics Personal iris.

by cvisors＠gmail.com

Hi all, its been a while since I have had a decent find of some good machines, but anyway yesterday I got given two personal IRISes. One seems to be dead, as it doesn't seem to pass the diagnostics, the other well it will boot, but the os is hosed on one of the disks, and refuses to boot into single user mode. The other disk which has a realy old version of IRIX (3.3.1) is at the moment attempting to boot, I have got the UNIX copywrite boiler plate, followed by the version of IRIX it's trying to boot, but nothing else.. But it seems to be going through a file system check, as the drive light is pretty much on solid (well its pulsing) , but this has been going on for a few hours. And as I have no idea how long fsck would take on one of these older machines I plan to leave it running for a while to see if it will get anywhere. The other cool things I got with this machine, are manuals galore (Including the Personal Iris Owner's Guide). And one of the installation tapes. (But no tape drive) Does anyone know where one can source the older versions of IRIX for these machines, be it cd or tape images? I know this machine could run IRIX 5.3 which one could get off ebay, but as this machine only has 16 meg of ram, I would prefer to run one of the older versions of IRIX on it, be it 3.x.x or 4.x.x as I haven't ever realy played round with these older versions of UNIX before. Benjamin -- one you lock the target two you bait the line three you slowly spread the net and four you catch the man Front 242 Headhunter

22 years, 2 months

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Two free SGI Personal Iris systems, Melbourne Australia

by lists＠popcorn.cx

Greetings, About a year ago, amongst a bunch of stuff from a university, I picked up three SGI Personal Iris systems. They didn't all have hard drives and I think one of the keyboards is dodgy so my plan was to sell one on ebay (which I did) and get a working system out of the last two. This has not happened and I don't forsee it happening in the near future, plus I need the space... I did take a few pictures (just after i got them) for my site and they can be found at http://popcorn.cx/computers/sgi/iris/ What there is: - Two SGI Personal Iris units, '4D/20 ENTRY' configuration (but I'm not sure if they are still that configuration) - Two 21" monitors (see pictures) - Two keyboards - One mouse (maybe two but definitely only one of the special red/blue mouse pads for the early optical mice) - At least one video cable per monitor - Various Irix administration and programming manuals (see the pictures for titles) The cost: Free. The catch: You have to pick it all up from Glen Waverley, Melbourne, Australia. Also since they came from a student computer lab where they booted off the network they will almost definitely need some degree of operating system reinstall. I'll give it a week or two but after that I'll try and find a computer recycling place that will take them, otherwise it is off to the tip (rubbish tip that is)... Stephen -- _ _ _ Stephen Edmonds _/ \_ / \_/ \ Melbourne, Australia <_ " _> / \ / O \ / " \ stephen(a)popcorn.cx / ___ \ | O | http://popcorn.cx/ \_____/ \___/

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WTB: MIT Radiation Lab books

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

Hi, I have a couple of the MIT Radiation Laboratory electronics books that were published in the late 1940s and I'd like to get the rest of them. Does anyone have any of them that they're willing to part with? Joe

22 years, 2 months

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The Future of Commodore (fwd from cbm-hackers)

by spectre＠floodgap.com

Those of you on cbm-hackers will have already seen this message. Some preamble: Commodore, just yesterday (see www.commodoreworld.com) was reintroduced by trademark holder Tulip as an electronics subsidiary. Most of their current and envisioned product line is fairly unimpressive me-too products including an iPod/iTunes ripoff and they're actually trying to resell the old Epyx Commodore 64 titles to which they have acquired the rights. One thing that has not endeared Tulip to the Commodore community was an attempt to grind down on trademark enforcement. First it was the Commodore name and logo, and then the system ROMs, and there is also some argument over the IP of the 64 itself. Apparently a collabourator called Ironstone is developing a new 64 of their own, separate from the C-1 being created by Jeri Ellsworth, which is nearing completion. There is worry that Ironstone/Tulip will clamp down on new hardware development as a result. What appears below is a note about the new policies by Ruud Baltissen, who was one of the speakers at Commodore's "relaunch" yesterday and a long time member of the Commodore community who was asked to speak at their launch likely as an attempt to bridge the (at the moment) contentious gulf between the classic community and the new corporate environment. Anyone have any comments? This seems like the C64 community is going to get stomped on. (None of this affects the Amiga, AFAIK, which is not owned by Tulip.) ----- Forwarded message from Baltissen, GJPAA ----- From: "Baltissen, GJPAA (Ruud)" <--> To: "'cbm-hackers@..'" Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 11:29:19 +0200 Subject: CommodoreWorld Hallo allemaal, As some of you already know, yesterday the new Commodore presented itself to the world. I was invited as well to speak to the community as one of the users. I felt awfull when on stage :( Most important thing: I have spoken with the top of Tulip and Commodore, four men. One thing we have discussed are the sites like FUNET and ARNOLD, sites that archive ROMs and games. Regarding the games, utilities and other non-system-ROMs they were clear: they considered that as there legal property and as they wanted to make money with it, they would protect these rights. And with reason, see later. Personal point of view: I understand completely and accept it. (But I cannot say I like it). The system-ROMs are another matter. They realise that the C= community is as it is nowadays, thanks to you guys and the information that is available worldwide. Three of the four agree that there has to be made an arrangement or whatever where both parties, Commodore and we developers, could live with. I spoke with the fourth guy, one of the original Tulip-guys and merely money orientated, and showed him things the community had developed on their own the last ten years: Retro Replay, X1541, IDE64, 64HDD and.... Marko's CD. He was impressed and would think things over. But don't blame him as a person, he is a nice guy IMHO, but one that has to run a bussines. A small problem is that they want to sell or include an emulator with one of their products. But they realise that the community as it is now probably is not waiting for their emulator as there are some very good ones available for free. With this emulator they have a reason to forbid publishing systemROMs as wel but..... I spoke with Darren Melbourne, the man behind Ironstone, as well. Ironstone is responsible for the C64-joystick C= will start to sell around october/november. I, of course, asked him about the hardware. The bad news: it will a single chip ASIC. I only forgot to ask him if the ROM with OS and games were inside the ASIC or apart. The good news: I know about who is behind the development of this C64 and therefor we can expect quite some suprises: - The new C64 will have at least 265 colours - It will have higher resolutions - It will have two SID's onboard - The ASIC runs on 27 MHz. I hardly can imagine it needs 27 cycles to emulate one of the original C64. - I asked Darren if there are plans to produce a big C64 based on this print. So he revealed that, although it resembles a joystick, all connections of the normal ports are available in the form of pads. So one could solder his own expansionport, userport or whatever to this stick. - Regarding the extra features: they want to publish the memorymap and other technical details so programmers are able to develop new games etc. for this new C64. The disclaimer: The above info is given by me as it was told me. I'm only human and I could have understood some things wrong. Etc., etc., etc. About the person: Darren doesn't mind to tell me who it is but the person self does because of a personal reason. This C64-joystick is the reason they want to protect their legal rights about the games. But they also want to stimulate the old community to develop programs for this new C64, the community that has thrived on the availability of ROMs and other information. And you won't be making friends by taking away that where those friends are thriving on :) Another point is the makers of hardware like Maurice Randall but also people like Markus Brenner and the Czechs who produce the IDE64. Particulary those who produce hardware that is to be connected to the userport or expansionport. I didn't realise it but these ports are intellectual properties of Commodore as well. So actually anyone building hardware for these ports has to pay C= a fee as well. Regarding Maurice, he bought the stuff from CMD and Tulip/Commodore doesn't know what agreement CMD had with the original C=. Regarding others: three of the four agreed that as long as no big money is involved, they leave the situation as it is. I mentioned the above in my speach and the fourth guy told me he started to realise that actions against these people would loose them a lot of sympathy of the old community as well. The fact is: Commodore/Tulip thrives on the fact that the name Commodore is know worlwide and on the sympathy created (merely) by the C64. So they want to avoid any action that will loose this precious sympathy. But they have a bussiness to run so some things are unavoidable. So: - sites publishing games and related software owned by Commodore have to remove it. - sites publishing kernals/systemROMs are tolerated for the moment [1]. - producers of hardware are tolerated as long as there is not really big money involved for the moment [1]. Rereading the above I may sound a bit pro-Tulip but it is a fact that they have the law on their side. Yesterday I used this example: imagine you inherit a fruitgarden with apples and pears, which has been left alone for ten years. Because nobody cared, the neighbouhood got used to pick their own fruit every autumn. You as the new owner, are only interested in the apples as the pears have no real commercial value for you. So you can leave them hanging to rot or.... tell the neighbourhood generously to help themself with the pears as you don't have a really need for them for the moment [1]. As you have the law on your side, most people will accept the situation. But what are you going to do with people that still pick (thus steal) your apples as well? [1] notice the "for the moment". Lets face it, things can change in the future. But I have been there and I left with a good feeling. And now you can shoot..... -- ___ / __|__ / / |_/ Groetjes, Ruud \ \__|_\ \___| URL: Ruud.C64.org =====DISCLAIMER================================================================= De informatie in dit e-mailbericht is vertrouwelijk en uitsluitend bestemd voor de geadresseerde. Wanneer u dit bericht per abuis ontvangt, verzoeken wij u contact op te nemen met de afzender per kerende e-mail. Verder verzoeken wij u in dat geval dit e-mailbericht te vernietigen en de inhoud ervan aan niemand openbaar te maken. Wij aanvaarden geen aansprakelijkheid voor onjuiste, onvolledige dan wel ontijdige overbrenging van de inhoud van een verzonden e-mailbericht, noch voor daarbij overgebrachte virussen. The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and may be privileged. It may be read, copied and used only by the intended recipient. If you have received it in error, please contact the sender immediately by return e-mail; please delete in this case the e-mail and do not disclose its contents to any person. We don't accept liability for any errors, omissions, delays of receipt or viruses in the contents of this message which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. Message was sent through the cbm-hackers mailing list ----- End of forwarded message from Baltissen, GJPAA ----- -- ---------------------------------- personal: http://www.armory.com/~spectre/ -- Cameron Kaiser, Floodgap Systems Ltd * So. Calif., USA * ckaiser(a)floodgap.com -- The world only beats a path to your door when you're in the bathroom. ------

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awesome collection of older data books, manuals etc.

by nbreeden2＠comcast.net

Not sure if this has already been posted or not, there is what looks to be an awesome collection of older data books, manuals etc. for auction on E-Bay. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6907274702&sspagename=STK %3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1 I emailed the person selling them, he estimates them at 1000lbs. They are for local pickup only (NJ area). -Neil

22 years, 2 months

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Apple IIe's

by jdjdmfamily＠yahoo.com

hello, you have 10 iie's with cards and software are you willing to sell some? I need the courvs 74mb thing and the "transporter". PLease let me know. THanks So Much, JIm j.

22 years, 2 months

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L @@K RARE MINIVAC 601, 1961 COMPUTER, UNIVAC, EXC L@@K

by esharpe＠uswest.net

L@@K RARE MINIVAC 601, 1961 COMPUTER, UNIVAC, EXC L@@K wow... some one shure choked this down for 600+ bucks.. silly me I thought they were $300 high! Please check our web site at http://www.smecc.org to see other engineering fields, communications and computation stuff we buy, and by all means when in Arizona drop in and see us. address: coury house / smecc 5802 w palmaire ave glendale az 85301

22 years, 2 months

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Commodore 75BM13 monitor ?

by lgwalker＠mts.net

I recently acquired a Commodore 75BM13 monitor. Its' signal-in port is a female 6-pin Din like the C64 serial port. It was manufactured in 1986. The 1902 (non-A) also had a 6-pin port and a cable with an 8-pin on the computer end but I tend to doubt this was a low-cost alternative. The M13 part of the model # undoubtably stands for monochrome 13". I've been unable to find any info on it other than a few oblique references in the CBM newsgroup and a Commodore monitor list with no specs and a question mark opposite a similar model 76BM13. Anyone know what this model might have been used with ? When looking thru my cable stash I came across a cable with the same pin-out on both ends and also "monitor" printed on one end and "computer" on the other end. It didn't come with the monitor and I'm curious what it may be for. Anyone recognize it ? Thank you. I'm no longer on the list but browse it occasionally when I have time. Lawrence

22 years, 2 months

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DEC Technical Journals - F.A.

by arcarlini＠iee.org

I'm auctioning some excess (duplicate) DEC Technical Journals and a few duplicate DEC manuals: http://cgi6.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&include=0& userid=dampingwire&sort=2&rows=100&since=-1&rd=1 That will probably wrap horribly, so just search for seller dampingwire. The ones that might interest this list are - the "VAX 8600" - the "MicroVAX II" and - the "Internet and Performance". That last one has an article by Max Burnett and Bob Supnik that covers computer preservation (PDPs etc) and emulation (SIMH). Antonio -- --------------- Antonio Carlini arcarlini(a)iee.org

22 years, 2 months

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Places To Visit in NYC?

by ohh＠drizzle.com

Hey, all: Any good places to visit in New York City?... and I should be clear that I'm asking regarding classic-computing kinds of places, rather than MOMA or Shea Stadium or the hellish Disneyesque nightmare that Times Square has become. :) -O.- (who knows I'll be visiting at least two of those in the next week or so, but that's strictly a coincidence)

22 years, 2 months

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Casio CFX-40

by tomhudson＠execpc.com

I just found out about this list and thought I'd mention that I've just listed a Casio CFX-40 scientific calculator watch (circa 1985) on ebay (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4906266445). I bought my original CFX-40 back when they were originally sold, and started getting paranoid that it was going to die, so I bought some spares from a guy who had a few of them. Well, my original watch is still going strong, so I decided to unload one of the spares on ebay. I love this watch! My wife once joked that if anything ever happened to my CFX-40, she was worried that I'd off myself! Seriously, I told her after getting the spares that she never had to worry about getting me a Rolex or anything, because this is the only watch I would ever need, or want. When the year 2000 rolled around I was a bit concerned that it wouldn't properly deal with the calendar issues, but it never had any problem with it. Those Japanese engineers really know their stuff. I'm a programmer, and since this is the classic computer list, I thought I'd mention that my first computer was a Compucolor II, an 8080-based system with a color screen and built-in floppy drive and a whopping 32K(!) of memory. I think I kept it running for 9 months once without it blowing up. It was great -- The thing normally died fairly routinely, but I remember sitting at it one day and my mom came into the room (I was in college) and I said something about how great it was that the computer seemed to be getting more reliable. The VERY NEXT MORNING I turned it on and there was a loud SNAP! and smoke came out of it. There was no local repair center so I had to take it 180 miles to Kansas City for service. Any other Compucolor veterans out there? -Tom

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Places To Visit in NYC?

by evan947＠yahoo.com

I happen to like Disney World. Anyway, re: New York. There used to be a great store downtown called Computer Bookworks, but I think it's gone now. There is the famous J&R Music and Computer World, which is no Fry's, but is still a fun and large store to wander around. Across the river are the Stevens Institute of Technology (in Hoboken) and the New Jersey Institute of Technology (in Newark.) Both are easily reached by train from Manhattan. If you're interested in the history of PDAs/handheld computers, then you're welcome to contact me -- been working hard on building a nice collection. As for baseball, I highly recommend Yankee Stadium, not Shea! I am, however, a lifelong Yankees fan. :) Evan > At 06:16 PM 6/18/04 -0700, you wrote: > > > > > >Hey, all: > > > >Any good places to visit in New York City?... and I should be clear that > >I'm asking regarding classic-computing kinds of places, rather than MOMA > >or Shea Stadium > > > >or the hellish Disneyesque nightmare that Times Square has > >become. :) > > Sheesh, be glad that you don't live here in central Florida, home of > Dismal World! > > Joe > > At least Orlando has Universal Studios, you can skip Disneyland and head there.

22 years, 2 months

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The Future of Commodore (fwd from cbm-hackers)

by jbmcb＠hotmail.com

How about an all-singing, all-dancing super Commodore emulator? Emulates PET, C16, VIC20, C64, Plus4, C128, Amiga 500/1000/2000, all relevant cartridge and expansion slots, internal IDE hard drive to store program, and disk/tape images. >From: Cameron Kaiser <spectre(a)floodgap.com> >Reply-To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic >Posts"<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> >To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org >Subject: The Future of Commodore (fwd from cbm-hackers) >Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 07:01:08 -0700 (PDT) >I spoke with Darren Melbourne, the man behind Ironstone, as well. Ironstone >is responsible for the C64-joystick C= will start to sell around >october/november. I, of course, asked him about the hardware. >The bad news: it will a single chip ASIC. I only forgot to ask him if the >ROM with OS and games were inside the ASIC or apart. >The good news: I know about who is behind the development of this C64 and >therefor we can expect quite some suprises: >- The new C64 will have at least 265 colours >- It will have higher resolutions >- It will have two SID's onboard >- The ASIC runs on 27 MHz. I hardly can imagine it needs 27 cycles to >emulate one of the original C64. >- I asked Darren if there are plans to produce a big C64 based on this >print. So he revealed that, although it resembles a joystick, all >connections of the normal ports are available in the form of pads. So one >could solder his own expansionport, userport or whatever to this stick. >- Regarding the extra features: they want to publish the memorymap and >other >technical details so programmers are able to develop new games etc. for >this >new C64. > _________________________________________________________________ Getting married? Find great tips, tools and the latest trends at MSN Life Events. http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=married

22 years, 2 months

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Resend: TSZ07, "5F MOTOR FAULT"

by drb＠msu.edu

Pardon the nag. If anyone has any clues on working on these drives, or thoughts about someone who can fix them (cost?) would be greatly appreciated. Is this drive a rebadged F-880? Dennis Boone ------- Forwarded Message To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org From: Dennis Boone <drb(a)msu.edu> Subject: TSZ07, "5F MOTOR FAULT" Reply-to: drb(a)msu.edu Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 18:32:08 -0400 Sender: drb(a)yagi.h-net.msu.edu Dear all, I just obtained a TSZ07, and of course promptly tried to load a tape. The drive blows for a while, rotating the front hub, routinely seems to get the tape about halfway through the serpentine path, then emits an error message "5F MOTOR FAULT". The rear hub seems to be moving at least some, the front hub works the way I remember these units working. (Ok, _my_ memories are of 1600bpi Cipher-badged units from my Prime days.) Any suggestions, or am I screwed? Thanks, Dennis Boone ------- End of Forwarded Message

22 years, 2 months

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Washington DC classic computing resources/museums?

by jplist＠kiwigeek.com

Greetings all; I'm heading off to DC tomorrow, and it occurred to me while there are all the usual haunts for museums (NASM, Holocaust, monuments, so on, so forth) that there quite possibly is a computing museum, or at least "Warehouse o' Junk" somewhere in DC. Anyone have suggestions as to things to look at along this vein? JP

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Master 5S external 5.25" floppy drive for Atari

by d_cymbal＠hotmail.com

Can anyone give me the lowdown on this drive? I found a drive and power adapter, but no docs. There are some dips on the back. Thanks.

22 years, 2 months

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need hex prom code or source for Intel MDS-800 monitor

by dwight.elvey＠amd.com

Hi Steve I've got the source someplace if Joe doesn't come up with it before I do. Of course, I should be able to do a ROM dump but I'll be busy with a couple things this and next weekend. Dwight >From: "Steve Thatcher" <melamy(a)earthlink.net> >> >I have finally had time to start bringing up my Northstar Horizon system. What I was hoping was that someone had the hex prom code or source for the Intel monitor in the MDS-800. In past time, I actually had ISIS-II running on a Northstar system and it requires a Intel style monitor program at 0f800H. Once I get access to my 8" disks again, I will be able to supply modified source that would allow someone else to do the same thing. > >best regards, Steve Thatcher >

22 years, 2 months

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A case for downgrading to PCs (was: WARNING: RANTING COMPUTERNUT...

by dwight.elvey＠amd.com

Hi Most know about motor rotation but he was talking about delta versus Y. This can be quite different. Dwight >From: "Antonio Carlini" <arcarlini(a)iee.org> > >> I can't think of a specific incident like that, but I do know >> that our University uses a non-standard order of phases, and >> that all the electrical contractors who come on site get a >> lecture about it, for obvious reasons! > >What's a "standard order of phases"? I know if you inadvertently >swap any two you potentially end up spinning the other way. For >some things this matters and for other it doesn't. > >I can only assume I'm missing something obvious ... > >Antonio > >-- > >--------------- >Antonio Carlini arcarlini(a)iee.org > >

22 years, 2 months

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OT: EBay UK search hanging

by julesrichardsonuk＠yahoo.co.uk

Knowing that there's a few EBay users on the list who also know how to fix modern software... :-) On the rare occasions that I do actually bother to search EBay for anything classic computer related I quite often find that hitting the search submit button just hangs, with the browser (Opera under Linux in my case) sitting there saying "Waiting for DNS confirmation of cookie domain(s)". If I open another browser window at this point and then try and go to any other site it'll just sit there with the same message. If I close the browser and come back later it's fine. Very frustrating. Anyone else see this or know what causes it? I've *only* seen it happen trying to do an Ebay search, never with any other website - but it's been this way for months. Whilst it's hung like this in the browser I can do DNS lookups from the shell fine, so it's not a DNS problem or a local configuration problem. I assume Opera happens to use shared DNS lookup code and for some reason something to do with EBay's search *sometimes* makes it hang. Presumably others might be able to shed some light on this, or at least confim / deny that they've seen similar problems with EBay UK from different platforms and browsers... cheers Jules

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Compiling a list of "neo-retro" hardware

by vcf＠siconic.com

I'd like to create a resource listing of all the neo-retro hardware being developed today. For example: - IDE or CF interfaces for the Apple ][ and other 8-bits, - IDE HD interfaces for minis like Bob Shannon's for the HP1000, etc. - Vince's M452X and W076X PDP-8 replacement boards - Vince Briel's Replica-1 - Catweasel (I count this as "neo-retro" because it's useful to us) - Bob Armstrong's SBC6120 - etc. So basically, I'd like to know about any new hardware (and I guess software) being developed and/or sold for vintage computers. I'm going to compile a directory for this stuff and I also have other plans that may or may not come to fruition. I imagine you can post them to the list since it might be useful for other folks to know about these projects, but please copy me directly <sellam(a)vintage.org>. Thanks! -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ]

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Interesting part

by vcf＠siconic.com

I was scrounging around in a surplus electronics shop the other day and came across an interesting part. It was a Delay Line, part number ADL-CN037. I forgot who the manufacturer was, but it was someone big and established (GE maybe)? Anyone know what this is? -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ]

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Intel i960 MC Programmer's Reference Manual

by RMeenaks＠OLF.COM

Hi, Picked this up on ebay and have no use for it (I really wanted the i860 Programmer's Manual that came with this), so if anyone wants it let me know $3 + shipping... Thanks, Ram (c) 2004 OpenLink Financial Copyright in this message and any attachments remains with us. It is confidential and may be legally privileged. If this message is not intended for you it must not be read, copied or used by you or disclosed to anyone else. Please advise the sender immediately if you have received this message in error. Although this message and any attachments are believed to be free of any virus or other defect that might affect any computer system into which it is received and opened, it is the responsibility of the recipient to ensure that it is virus free and no responsibility is accepted by Open Link Financial, Inc. for any loss or damage in any way arising from its use.

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Jupitor Ace on eBay

by dwight.elvey＠amd.com

Hi There is a Jupiter Ace for sale on eBay. It is in the UK and has the PAL type output ( faster processor ). It comes with a large pile of software. I sure hope someone in this group gets it. Dwight

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Fun new stuff

by aw288＠osfn.org

Here is a bit of good mainframe junk recently obtained: http://users.bestweb.net/~toober/images/3803.front.jpg http://users.bestweb.net/~toober/images/3803.open.jpg http://users.bestweb.net/~toober/images/3420.front.jpg http://users.bestweb.net/~toober/images/3420.open.jpg Basically, the big blue box is an IBM 3803 Tape Control Unit - the brain that connects 3420 Tape Units (one of three is pictured) to an S/370 thru a Bus & Tag channel. The 3803 and two of the 3420s are from 1972, and the third 3420 may be from 1980. The 3803 apparently works - it was in service quite recently - but all three of the 3420s have problems. Luckily, I obtained a full set of MLMs (service binders) for the units, plus some Bus & Tag cables. Note the 3803 has a full control panel. It better, as it has more electronics in it than most minis of the era. William Donzelli aw288(a)osfn.org

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FIND: Commodore SuperPET SP9000 + 2040

by paul＠mirams.org

Hi If you don't want them, i would be interested. Thanks Paul paul(a)mirams.org ________________________________ From: cctech-bounces(a)classiccmp.org on behalf of Paul R. Santa-Maria Sent: Thu 6/17/2004 11:13 PM To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Subject: FIND: Commodore SuperPET SP9000 + 2040 If you need manuals for your SuperPET then I have the following: SuperPET... Waterloo BASIC (2) System Overview (2) Waterloo 6809 Assembler Waterloo microFORTRAN (2) Waterloo microPASCAL (2) Waterloo microCOBOL Waterloo microBASIC Waterloo microAPL The first one is published by WATFAC and the rest are published by SAMS. -- Paul Monroe, Michigan USA

22 years, 2 months

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need hex prom code or source for Intel MDS-800 monitor

by melamy＠earthlink.net

I have finally had time to start bringing up my Northstar Horizon system. What I was hoping was that someone had the hex prom code or source for the Intel monitor in the MDS-800. In past time, I actually had ISIS-II running on a Northstar system and it requires a Intel style monitor program at 0f800H. Once I get access to my 8" disks again, I will be able to supply modified source that would allow someone else to do the same thing. best regards, Steve Thatcher

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OT: Re: Duplicate Posts - Burst Posts...

by dwight.elvey＠amd.com

> > That, however, is a good idea. Might do that myself. > > -spc (Didn't hear of that one ... ) Hi One of the things that would knock out a lot right now would be to reject any mail that contained html pointers that had the recipients email address or name in it. This is almost always junk. Dwight

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Modern Blinkenlights

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jun 17, 23:31, Teo Zenios wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "William Donzelli" <aw288(a)osfn.org> > > The "old" (mid 1990s) Bay routers have a large amount of blinkenlights > > inside. Pretty neat, but I don't know what they did. > > I have a Bay Networks Instant Internet 100 router and it has 7 blinking > lights on the front, each one does mean something but only a few actually > blink constantly when in normal use. I have a Newbridge Orange Ridge 12-port 10/100 switch in the office, which I keep because each port has 5 LEDs: Tx, Rx, Link, Collision, 100Mb/s. It also has some status LEDs and a set for its ATM port. It looks like Christmas every day :-) -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

22 years, 2 months

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Vector Graphic

by gtulloch＠shaw.ca

Hello all: I recently acquired a pair of Vector Graphic MZ systems - I've always had a fondness for Vectors since I had a chance to play with a hard drive equipped version in the early 90s when I was a consultant transitioning a company from the Vectors to PCs. One of the MZs worked very well, one worked not so well. To appease the wife, I sold the good one and am now looking to get the other one up and running. The issue seems to be minor, the Flashwriter II that's in the box is throwing up garbage on the "terminal" and not interpreting keystrokes properly. Anyone familiar with these puppies who might be able to give me some pointers? I've noticed a real dearth of info online for these boxes so I'll be putting a site up to start gathering info. If there's any lurkers out there playing with Vectors, send me a note, I'd love to compare notes. Thanks! Regards, Gord

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Do you want old Amiga manuals?

by tosteve＠yahoo.com

I have a box of old Amiga manuals for free - you pay shipping. Probably over 20 pounds in a large box. I don't have a list of what's there, shout-out if you're interested. Manuals only, no software. STS __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

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Plus Passport

by vcf＠siconic.com

I'm trying to find information and/or a controller card for the Plus Passport. Plus (Plus Development Corporation) is the same company that made the Hardcard. The Passport is a removeable drive chassis. You install the chassis into your PC and then the hard drive modules slide into it and connect to a connector on the back end. You boot the computer, do your work, then when you're done for the day you slide the hard drive out and take it with you. I've got the chassis but need the interface card and/or any drivers that it may have required. Has anyone ever heard of one of these things, or used one, or have what I need? Thanks! -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ]

22 years, 2 months

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MPF-1B manuals

by cfostier00＠versateladsl.be

Hello have you a copy of the mpf-1b manuals now? Is it possible to receive a copy of your copy? Thank you and best regards. Fostier Claudy.

22 years, 2 months

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FIND: Commodore SuperPET SP9000 + 2040

by paulrsm＠buckeye-express.com

If you need manuals for your SuperPET then I have the following: SuperPET... Waterloo BASIC (2) System Overview (2) Waterloo 6809 Assembler Waterloo microFORTRAN (2) Waterloo microPASCAL (2) Waterloo microCOBOL Waterloo microBASIC Waterloo microAPL The first one is published by WATFAC and the rest are published by SAMS. -- Paul Monroe, Michigan USA

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A case for downgrading to PCs (was: WARNING: RANTING COMPUTERNUT...

by dwight.elvey＠amd.com

>From: "der Mouse" <mouse(a)rodents.montreal.qc.ca> > >> Most know about motor rotation but he was talking about delta versus >> Y. This can be quite different. > >What _is_ the difference between delta and Y? A while ago we had a >discussion that ended up revolving around what point is grounded >("neutral"). As far as I can see, delta and Y are basically >equivalent, provided you don't try to refer anything to ground (or >anything else beyond the three phases), and provided you don't overload >anything. > >Am I missing something? They would be the same if one only connected the points of the three phase. The problem is one often ties 120V stuff between on of the legs and the neutral center of the Y. If one has three balanced 120V, everything is OK. If not, one will have all the voltage drop and bang! Dwight

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Gordon Bell's Computer Structures: Readings and Examples book is online!

by esharpe＠cox.net

was going through some books to add to the reference library here at the museum and ran across a most excellent book Computer Structures: Readings and Examples by Gordon Bell..... has the inside facts on many early system and even the 9100A HP calc. also to my surprise I found it online at the below listed url. http://www.research.microsoft.com/~gbell/Computer_Structures__Readings_and_… If you have plesnty of disc space you may want to archive it in case this link ever goes away.... Happy reading! Thanks Ed Sharpe archivist for SMECC Please check our web site at http://www.smecc.org to see other engineering fields, communications and computation stuff we buy, and by all means when in Arizona drop in and see us. address: coury house / smecc 5802 w palmaire ave glendale az 85301

22 years, 2 months

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A case for downgrading to PCs (was: WARNING: RANTING COMPUTERNUT...

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jun 17, 23:48, Antonio Carlini wrote: > > I can't think of a specific incident like that, but I do know > > that our University uses a non-standard order of phases, and > > that all the electrical contractors who come on site get a > > lecture about it, for obvious reasons! > > What's a "standard order of phases"? I know if you inadvertently > swap any two you potentially end up spinning the other way. For > some things this matters and for other it doesn't. Exactly. Apparently one order is more common than the other, and we use the "uncommon" one, but I can't remember which is which. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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O(ff)T? or O(n)T? 22DISK on a PC

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jun 17, 21:38, Jules Richardson wrote: > On Thu, 2004-06-17 at 20:29, Joe R. wrote: > > At 09:22 PM 6/16/04 +0100, you wrote: > > > > > In that case, you might want to give this a try. > > <http://www.jasons-toolbox.com/Articles/BootItNG/>. > > I don't recall Pete saying he needed to tweak an existing partition on a > drive though - or is there some other justifcation for using that > software? The problem of having DOS and Windows coexist. It might be OK with XP, which certainly coexists happily with earlier versions of Windows; I don't know if that extends to DOS but I'm sure I'd find out quite quickly if I tried it :-) If I do I'll let the list know in case it helps anyone else who needs an environment for retro software/hardware. > Currently I triple-boot the desktop PC between Linux, Windows 2k and DOS > 6.22 - but I'm using SCSI disks, so Linux and Windows co-exist on the > larger drive and DOS has a seperate drive all to itself. I just change > the boot SCSI ID in the SCSI BIOS to boot from the DOS drive when I need > to. Not sure if there's an equivalent if you're using IDE drives though. Yes, it's called a DPDT switch ;-) Or you can just use a boot floppy. > As an aside, I'm curious as to what (if any) equivalents to 22disk there > are for Linux. Certainly it's probably a more viable platform if you > want to have hardware fitted at strange addresses or outside the scope > of the BIOS than DOS is. I've not seen anything and in fact last time I looked at Linux's support for non-PC formats, notably anything that started it's sector numbering at zero as %deity intended, it was sadly lacking (but that was quite a while ago) > I have no idea what sort of control the kernel headers allow you over > the floppy controller(s) though. Of course you probably have a good > reason for using 22disk - either a) because it's there That's the main reason. I'd use teledisk for disk images, as people seem to use that much more often. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Lodging for VCF East 2.0

by vcf＠siconic.com

I've arranged lodging for VCF East. I've got a room block reserved at the Marriott Burlington. $69 a night if you pay in advance (no cancellation/refund) or $79 a night if you just reserve in advance. It's a pretty good deal, considering this is a 3-* facility with internet access in each room (I don't know if there's an extra charge for that, but probably). It's also within walking distance of Sun's campus. More information is here: http://www.vintage.org/2004/east/lodging.php I'm sure there are other cheapie hotels in the area but you'll have to find them yourself. A good place to start is to go to Yahoo! maps, put "Network Drive" in "Burlington, MA" into the search box, and then click on the links to find local hotels. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ]

22 years, 2 months

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Lodging for VCF East 2.0

by vcf＠siconic.com

I've arranged lodging for VCF East. I've got a room block reserved at the Marriott Burlington. $69 a night if you pay in advance (no cancellation/refund) or $79 a night if you just reserve in advance. It's a pretty good deal, considering this is a 3-* facility with internet access in each room (I don't know if there's an extra charge for that, but probably). It's also within walking distance of Sun's campus. More information is here: http://www.vintage.org/2004/east/lodging.php I'm sure there are other cheapie hotels in the area but you'll have to find them yourself. A good place to start is to go to Yahoo! maps, put "Network Drive" in "Burlington, MA" into the search box, and then click on the links to find local hotels. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ]

22 years, 2 months

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O(ff)T? or O(n)T? 22DISK on a PC

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

I've put off asking about this in view of the discussion about what's on/off topic, but I need some help from Those Who Know These Things. My specific requirement is to put together a PC to run 22DISK, my DOS-only PAL/PROM programmer software, and the like. It will run DOS 6.22 in a FAT16 partition (and probably WinXP in another partition because I will not permit more than one PC in my workshop, but that part is definitely off topic so I mention it no further). I want it to be able to support single-density floppies, and eventually 8" drives too. Available "ingredients" are an Intel SE440BX motherboard (if it matters) with a P2 400 and stupid Intel/Phoenix BIOS, a Teac FD-55GFR 5.25" floppy drive, choice of any number of 3.5" floppy drives, the usual other bits that go to make a PC, and a few harddisk/floppy controllers, including a Western Digital WD1006V-MM2 F002, and a Western Digital WDAT-240. I have a couple of older no-name ISA floppy cards but I suspect they won't support HD floppies (though I wonder if they'd support 8" DD? Same speed...) and I probably have other 5.25" drives somewhere. I picked those controllers, by the way, because they have 37C65 FDCs and the magic second (9.6MHz) crystals and are reputed to do SD correctly. A problem is the braindamaged BIOS/mobo, which only handles one floppy. Yes, really; not content with bastardising the interface to enable cables-with-a-twist, they've removed all drive selects but one. No pins, no PCB tracks, or in the words of the manual, "no connection". However, if I disable the onboard FDC in the BIOS, I can persuade the machine to see the FDC on a WD1006V-MM2. Only it won't boot; it gets so far and then hangs. It almost looks as if disabling the FDC in the BIOS actually disables support for an FDC at the primary address, and MS-DOS can't complete the boot. Do I need to do something with CONFIG.SYS? Maybe it would be better to leave the onboard FDC alone, and use the WD controller as a secondary? I guess I do need DRIVER.SYS for that, yes? I have a similar problem with the HD controller. I want to use two IDE channels, but I can't disable the HDC on a WD card; I can only change the address between primary and secondary - and I can't even do that on the WDAT-240, unless someone here knows something I don't. But I can't get the PC to work properly with the IDE controller on the WDAT-240; if I leave the onboard controller enabled, they fight, and if I disable the onboard controller in the BIOS, it seems to stop the WD controller working properly. Any suggestions? -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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ROCC R2840 systems

by julesrichardsonuk＠yahoo.co.uk

Anyone know what these are? Just been offered a couple of processor boxes with cache streamers, front-loading reel tape drives with vacuum load, and some sort of disk units ("platters the size of dinner plates" I was quoted) + terminals, printers, cabling etc. I'm awaiting photos, thought I'd ask in the meantime though. I assumed at first (from the mention of the size of things and the age) that it was "just" rebranded DEC stuff, but I could be wrong. Google didn't seem to have anything useful to say on 'ROCC' though, other than a modern systems company who could well have been around in the 70's selling rebadged equipment I suppose... Sounds like stuff that should be saved anyway, so reserve space in those garages now :-) cheers, Jules

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A case for downgrading to PCs (was: WARNING: RANTING COMPUTER NUT...

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jun 16, 15:48, David V. Corbin wrote: > I have also seen a good number of "Y" vs. "Delta" screwups [although none > that ever directly effected computer equipment]. The worst was in the late > 1970's when a company was being moved to a new part of the power grid [the > area was rapdily developing and expanding]. "Someone" did not realize that > about half the building was wired in a "non-standard" fashion. "Fortunately" > the wiring acted pretty much as fuses and aside from a small fire, the > damage was minimal. I can't think of a specific incident like that, but I do know that our University uses a non-standard order of phases, and that all the electrical contractors who come on site get a lecture about it, for obvious reasons! -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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DOS application in WinXP

by bobcaar＠softhome.net

Don't forget bochs (http://bochs.sourceforge.net/). T.H.x. Devon -----------------Original Message-------------------------- Message: 2 Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 13:17:13 -0400 From: chris <cb(a)mythtech.net> Subject: DOS application in WinXP To: "Classic Computer" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <S.0000344787(a)mythtech.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" I have an old legacy DOS application that I need to run on new Win XP hardware for the next few months. The problem is, I've been told it won't run under XP's DOS Shell. I'm curious what others have used as solutions to run non NT kernel friendly DOS applications in such an environment. I'm thinking about something like Virtual PC to run a regular DOS 6.2.2 install inside it, but I have no idea if that will actually work. Plus I need to do this on up to 5 machines and buying 5 copies of VPC at the new Microsoft pricing may break the bank (Connectix used to have an OS free version for something like $50... MS now charges $130 for the base price). It looks like VMWare is going to be the same problem with pricing. So does anyone have any other recommended solutions? I'd like this to be as transparent to the users as possible (they currently run the software in a DOS session under Win95, so the closest I can come to that functionality, the better). -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Incoming Msg

by dwight.elvey＠amd.com

Hi Joe Remember what I said about there most likely being someone that has a virus. This would explain both the duplicates that many are seeing ( including me ) and the worm that you are seeing. Dwight >From: "Joe R." <rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com> > >Hi All, > > I just got the message below from my ISP (Road Runner). It appears that >a message from the CC List contained Zafi.B worm. I've just spent TWO+ >days installing a new hard drive and reloading all my software after >getting some DoS piece of crap that I couldn't remove from the old HD. > > Joe > > > > >>Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 21:32:44 +0800 >>From: Classiccmp <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> >>Subject: RE: Incoming Msg >>To: Rigdonj <rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com> >>X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine >>X-Virus-Scan-Result: Repaired 33994 W32.Beagle.X@mm >>Original-recipient: rfc822;rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com >> >> ALERT!!! >>Road Runner is currently dropping all .com, .exe and .pif files due to the >>negative affect on our network from the Zafi.B/W32.Erkez.B@mm virus. If >>you need to send or receive one of these files types, please make sure that >>the file is sent as a .zip or .gzip compressed file. Road Runner will >>resume accepting these file extensions as soon as possible, once the >>negative affect on our network is resolved. >> >>The following attachments were infected and have been repaired: >>No attachments are in this category. >> >>The following attachments were deleted due to an inability to clean them: >>1. Half_Live.scr: W32.Beagle.X@mm >> >>The Following attachments were not delivered due to inbound mail policy >>violations: >>No attachments are in this category. >> >> >>Road Runner does not contact the sender of the infected attachment(s). >> >>For more information on Road Runner's virus filtering initiative, visit our >>Help > >

22 years, 2 months

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age limits for classic computers

by melamy＠earthlink.net

set an age limit only (make it 15 or 20 years). It is quite fair to have someone email in and say they are trying to get old hardware running. There is no reason (other than personal) to restrict the list to topics as long as they do not include windows, PCs, DOS, or LINUX. It can be quite a challenge to get an old pc running as is ANY S100 based system. I have done both and I am quite willing to help anyone try and resolve issues on any machine I have experience with. If you see a mesage that you can help on, then great. If you don't, then file it away or delete it. I really don't recall seeing any messages on here that were inappropriate for a vintage forum. If someone outside finds the list and emails a question that is for something newer, then delete it or respond with COURTESY directing them someplace else. The discussion here over the topic has wasted substantialy more bandwidth then the few emails that come here that don't need to. best regards, Steve Thatcher

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OT: EBay UK search hanging

by bobcaar＠softhome.net

I believe there's an option in Opera's Preferences > Network...Synchronous DNS. Disabling this should allow other sessions to continue to function. I'd also check the privacy tab and remove any cookie restrictions. I've had a similar problem on a University network with flaky DNS servers. Seems the servers would be unreachable at the moment Opera tried to connect and it choked. DNS was usually reachable again by the time I ran nslookup. My solution was to set up a local caching DNS server. This was with Opera 6.05, and it didn't happen that often, but happened on any site. I've also seen no responce from ebay when attempting to "View sellers other items" and assumed it was their problem. Never had the problems with Opera 5.12, but, it wasn't used on that network for very long. T.H.x. Devon -----------------Original Message-------------------------- Message: 35 Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 16:08:18 +0000 From: Jules Richardson <julesrichardsonuk(a)yahoo.co.uk> Subject: OT: EBay UK search hanging To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <1087488498.29729.127.camel(a)weka.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain Knowing that there's a few EBay users on the list who also know how to fix modern software... :-) On the rare occasions that I do actually bother to search EBay for anything classic computer related I quite often find that hitting the search submit button just hangs, with the browser (Opera under Linux in my case) sitting there saying "Waiting for DNS confirmation of cookie domain(s)". If I open another browser window at this point and then try and go to any other site it'll just sit there with the same message. If I close the browser and come back later it's fine. Very frustrating. Anyone else see this or know what causes it? I've *only* seen it happen trying to do an Ebay search, never with any other website - but it's been this way for months. Whilst it's hung like this in the browser I can do DNS lookups from the shell fine, so it's not a DNS problem or a local configuration problem. I assume Opera happens to use shared DNS lookup code and for some reason something to do with EBay's search *sometimes* makes it hang. Presumably others might be able to shed some light on this, or at least confim / deny that they've seen similar problems with EBay UK from different platforms and browsers... cheers Jules

22 years, 2 months

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O(ff)T? or O(n)T? 22DISK on a PC

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jun 17, 16:29, Joe R. wrote: > At 09:22 PM 6/16/04 +0100, you wrote: > >My specific requirement is to put together a PC to run 22DISK, my > >DOS-only PAL/PROM programmer software, and the like. It will run DOS > >6.22 in a FAT16 partition (and probably WinXP in another partition > In that case, you might want to give this a try. > <http://www.jasons-toolbox.com/Articles/BootItNG/>. Looks interesting. Once I get as far as fully-working drives and feel like installing something on the hard drive, I'll try it. Thanks! -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

22 years, 2 months

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TRS80 Model 1 Level II ROMs

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jun 17, 19:25, Witchy wrote: > I've borrowed a universal device reader/programmer (MQP Pinmaster 48) and > I'm trying to dump the ROMs from my dead TRS80. It claims to be able to read > anything because of its completely configurable design (with an appropriate > adapter for non-DIP style packaging) and I've already dumped some EEPROMS. Sounds a bit like the MicroPross at CompSci, where I used to work. Very cool machine. > However, it doesn't like either of the TRS80 chips (NEC 4K marked as 2332 > and 2364) nor the ROMs on my Tangerine Microtan 65 TUGBOARD (4K roms again I > think). > > This thing knows about over 6500 different *ROMs so maybe there's an > equivalent name I can feed it to see if I can read these ROMs? 2332 is a standard mask-programmed ROM; lots of companies made them. uPD2332 is the equivalent of Intel 2332, Motorola MCM68A332, Mostek MK3200, Texas TMS4732, Signetics 2663, etc. However, one the options is how the outputs are enabled, controlled by pins 20 and 21. Each can separately be specified before manufacture as active high or active low. Some vendors also allowed a choice on pin 20, either a chip select or a power-down/output-enable (different timing, different effect on power consumption). Also, a 2364 is an 8K ROM, but I expect you worked that out. Check what the TRS80 expects the active level to be on each of those pins (I'd guess active low), and that the programmer is doing the same. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Incoming Msg

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jun 17, 15:49, Joe R. wrote: > I just got the message below from my ISP (Road Runner). It appears that > a message from the CC List contained Zafi.B worm. That doesn't seem very likely, Joe. First of all, the mailing list won't send attachments, yet the report you got says the worm was in an attachment which was therefore removed. Secondly, they say the mail came "From: Classiccmp <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>" The mailing list never sends a header like that. The mail currently comes with an envelope "From" (no colon) of "cctalk-bounces(a)classiccmp.org" which contains no other name, and always claims to be "From:" (header "From:", with a colon) the original poster. What your ISP has reported on apeears to have had headers forged by the sender, and didn't come from the list. It may have come from some listmember's own machine, or at least an infected machine with "classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org" in an addressbook, but not the list. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Incoming Msg

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

Hi All, I just got the message below from my ISP (Road Runner). It appears that a message from the CC List contained Zafi.B worm. I've just spent TWO+ days installing a new hard drive and reloading all my software after getting some DoS piece of crap that I couldn't remove from the old HD. Joe >Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 21:32:44 +0800 >From: Classiccmp <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> >Subject: RE: Incoming Msg >To: Rigdonj <rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com> >X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine >X-Virus-Scan-Result: Repaired 33994 W32.Beagle.X@mm >Original-recipient: rfc822;rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com > > ALERT!!! >Road Runner is currently dropping all .com, .exe and .pif files due to the >negative affect on our network from the Zafi.B/W32.Erkez.B@mm virus. If >you need to send or receive one of these files types, please make sure that >the file is sent as a .zip or .gzip compressed file. Road Runner will >resume accepting these file extensions as soon as possible, once the >negative affect on our network is resolved. > >The following attachments were infected and have been repaired: >No attachments are in this category. > >The following attachments were deleted due to an inability to clean them: >1. Half_Live.scr: W32.Beagle.X@mm > >The Following attachments were not delivered due to inbound mail policy >violations: >No attachments are in this category. > > >Road Runner does not contact the sender of the infected attachment(s). > >For more information on Road Runner's virus filtering initiative, visit our >Help

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FIND: Commodore SuperPET SP9000 + 2040

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

At 07:16 AM 6/17/04 -0700, you wrote: > >> A friend found a SuperPET in someone's trash pile this afternoon and >> dropped it by. It came with a 2040 dual drive floppy disk and the IEEE >> interface cable. It is pretty rough looking and according to the friend, >> was in the former owners garage for quite some time. It looks like it sat >> on the cement floor for awhile too, as it has lots of small rust spots. >> >> On that note, whats the best way to clean up rust spots on these types of >> systems? Should they be buffed out or is repainting a better idea? Full strength Lime-Away will usually dissolve it. If it's on painted metal surface or plastic that acid won't hurt, I have full strength nitric acid to dissolve it. Joe

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IBM System/23 Datamaster ??

by f.heite＠hccnet.nl

>From: steven <tosteve(a)yahoo.com> >I recently acquired an IBM System/23 Datamaster (model >5322) computer, but I don't know anything about it. Quoting from BYTE September 1990, from an article "The creation of the IBM PC" by David J. Bradley (who worked on the development of both the DataMaster/23 and the IBM PC): ============================================================== The DataMaster was an Intel 8085-based system intended to run business applications written in BASIC. The one-piece DataMaster was a business-oriented single-user system. It served as a model for many of the features of the original IBM PC. The IBM PC keyboard came from the DataMaster. ============================================================== Sorry, no scanner in the house, so I can't send you a copy. Freek Heite.

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TRS80 Model 1 Level II ROMs

by witchy＠binarydinosaurs.co.uk

Folks, I've borrowed a universal device reader/programmer (MQP Pinmaster 48) and I'm trying to dump the ROMs from my dead TRS80. It claims to be able to read anything because of its completely configurable design (with an appropriate adapter for non-DIP style packaging) and I've already dumped some EEPROMS. However, it doesn't like either of the TRS80 chips (NEC 4K marked as 2332 and 2364) nor the ROMs on my Tangerine Microtan 65 TUGBOARD (4K roms again I think). This thing knows about over 6500 different *ROMs so maybe there's an equivalent name I can feed it to see if I can read these ROMs? Is there anyone with a TRS80 to hand who can tell me what ROMs theirs contains? TIA! -- Adrian/Witchy Owner & Webmaster, Binary Dinosaurs www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk - possibly the UK's biggest online computer museum www.snakebiteandblack.co.uk - ex-monthly gothic shenanigans :o(

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FIND: Commodore SuperPET SP9000 + 2040

by dwight.elvey＠amd.com

>From: "Vintage Computer Festival" <vcf(a)siconic.com> > >On Thu, 17 Jun 2004, Ernest wrote: > >> If the paint job is beyond hope, you might as well try to do a >> restoration on it, rather than a preservation. One thing you might >> consider, if you really want it to look like new, is to take the empty >> case to an auto paint shop and have them give it a professional paint >> job. A friend of mine did this with one of his old computers, and the >> shop did a fantastic job for less than $100.00. Those guys know how to >> match paint, patch dents and scratches, and all that. > >Or take it to a place that will powder coat it, so they can also match the >texture. > Hi I'm told that some vinegar will remove rust stains. Try putting a piece of paper towel on a small patch and wet it with white distilled vinegar. Let it sit for a few hours and see how it does. Even if it doesn't work, what do you have to lose. Dwight

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FIND: Commodore SuperPET SP9000 + 2040

by tothwolf＠concentric.net

Technically I guess it wasn't a find, as this time this one found me... A friend found a SuperPET in someone's trash pile this afternoon and dropped it by. It came with a 2040 dual drive floppy disk and the IEEE interface cable. It is pretty rough looking and according to the friend, was in the former owners garage for quite some time. It looks like it sat on the cement floor for awhile too, as it has lots of small rust spots. On that note, whats the best way to clean up rust spots on these types of systems? Should they be buffed out or is repainting a better idea? -Toth

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List charter mods & headcount... ;-)

by mtapley＠swri.edu

At 22:18 -0500 6/16/04, pete(a)dunnington.u-net.com wrote: > According to my >SUBSCRIBE CLASSICCMP confirmation email (you all kept yours, didn't >you?) (mumble) (blush) er... ahh... it must be here somewhere. Earliest thing I have is from July 1997, which probably doesn't put me in the top thirty. But I've enjoyed the group enormously anyway. Re: charter mods: I love being able to ask about my NeXT on here, so 10 years is a nice number for me. 15 would be OK, I guess. I do think there is value to questions on how to run new software on old (>10 year) hardware. I do think there is value to questions on how to run old (>10 year) software on new hardware. I suspect there are very few "how do I fix my PC" annoying questioners who are using *either* hardware *or* software more than 10 years old. My vote is to keep the 10-year limit [1], and clarify it to make clear that if either the software running or the hardware it's running on makes the 10-year limit, it qualifies. [1] There's that VAX VLC4000 that I keep meaning to spend some quality time with....it's pretty fresh-on. -- - Mark 210-522-6025, page 888-733-0967

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List charter mods & headcount... ;-)

by melamy＠earthlink.net

my bedroom is required to be a computer free zone... -----Original Message----- From: Cameron Kaiser <spectre(a)floodgap.com> I've got a VLB-based 486 in the bedroom.

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Subject: Re: DEC Professional 350

by keith＠saracom.com

I believe there are only 2 public domain OSes for the Pro series. One is the infamous PO/S and the other is Venix. Both are available from <ftp://ftp.update.uu.se>ftp.update.uu.se. You need <http://64.253.97.239/pdp11/Proaccms.zip>Proaccms.zip if you run Venix and have acess to a MS-DOS machine. <http://64.253.97.239/pdp11/Proaccms.zip>Proaccms.zip is available at www.saracom.com :) RT-11 does run nicely but it is still copyrighted. I don't know about whether the other OSes will run. Max >On OSes for the

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Tandy 2000

by vcf＠siconic.com

Here's a Tandy 2000 (kinda rarish) with a starting price of $9.99 and no bids with 1 day to go: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5101374189&ssPageName=ME… -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ]

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List charter mods & headcount... ;-)

by msokolov＠ivan.Harhan.ORG

David V. Corbin <dvcorbin(a)optonline.net> wrote: > Ps: It was ex-Wife #2 who threw out my PDP-8/I because it was "junk"...... > The one thing I still have not forgiven her for. Now that one deserves execution! I would not settle for anything less than the death penalty for her. MS

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WARNING: RANTING COMPUTER NUT...

by brian＠quarterbyte.com

> The bad drugs made me forget the operative word > ... > I'll *never* forget one thing, tho: Vioxx sucks.[1] Oooh, send it to me then! Vitamin V makes snowboarding a whole lot more survivable in your 40's. Seriously, though -- it's just an antiinflammatory, shouldn't have any psychological consequences. Are you getting weird side effects? Brian =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- _| _| _| Brian Knittel _| _| _| Quarterbyte Systems, Inc. _| _| _| Tel: 1-510-559-7930 _| _| _| Fax: 1-510-525-6889 _| _| _| Email: brian(a)quarterbyte.com _| _| _| http://www.quarterbyte.com

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WARNING: RANTING COMPUTER NUT...

by brian＠quarterbyte.com

> Roger Merchberger wrote... > The bad drugs made me forget the operative word > ... > I'll *never* forget one thing, tho: Vioxx sucks.[1] Oooh, send it to me then! Vitamin V makes snowboarding a whole lot more survivable when one is in one's 40's. Seriously, though -- it's just an antiinflammatory, shouldn't have any psychological consequences. Are you getting weird side effects? Brian =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- _| _| _| Brian Knittel _| _| _| Quarterbyte Systems, Inc. _| _| _| Tel: 1-510-559-7930 _| _| _| Fax: 1-510-525-6889 _| _| _| Email: brian(a)quarterbyte.com _| _| _| http://www.quarterbyte.com

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Cool 4004 based calculator

by dwight.elvey＠amd.com

Hi Steven It is an offshoot of fig Forth. I wrote the stuff under FPC by Tom Zimmer. It is mostly Forth-83. One could make it work under most any other but like most Forths of this era, the file access may be different. Of course, one can still get FPC from the web. Dwight >From: "Steven Canning" <cannings(a)earthlink.net> > >Dwight, > >Is it written in micro-FORTH or FIG FORTH ? > >Best regards, Steven > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Dwight K. Elvey" <dwight.elvey(a)amd.com> >To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> >Sent: Monday, June 14, 2004 5:00 PM >Subject: Re: Cool 4004 based calculator > > >> Hi >> I thought I'd mention that I've written a simulator >> for the 4004 in the environment of a SIM-4. One >> could adapt it to most any hardware environment. >> It is written in Forth so it can be quite flexible >> for someone that knows Forth. >> If anyone is interested, I can dig it up. With >> a little time to refamiliarize myself with the >> code, I can help connect up I/O. >> It runs under FPC on a DOS PC platform. There is >> a simple assembler and disassembler as well. >> For someone wanting to do a 4004 project, it can >> be quite useful at debugging code and hardware >> concepts. >> Dwight >> >> >> > > >

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IBM System/23 Datamaster ??

by tosteve＠yahoo.com

I recently acquired an IBM System/23 Datamaster (model 5322) computer, but I don't know anything about it. A little help here? Steve. http://www.oldcomputers.net/pics/IBM5322.jpg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

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O(ff)T? or O(n)T? 22DISK on a PC

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jun 16, 16:57, David V. Corbin wrote: > > >>> A problem is the braindamaged BIOS/mobo, which only handles > >>> one floppy. > > Pete, altering the number of FDC/HDC from what the BIOS expects is typically > a significant problem as this is where all of the hardware access is routed > through. Depends on the OS, but I believe DOS does so, for floppies at least, unless you use a third party driver. However, I thought one of the points of disabling an onboard device was to allow you to use one on an additional card (other reasons exist, eg preventing startup errors if you have removed floppies for security). I think I've solved the problem, insofar as I've found a combination of settings that works. I decided to make a list of the all possible permutations of relevant links on the ISA controllers and enable/disable/auto settings in the BIOS, work methodically through them, and write down the results. Mainly because I couldn't remember exactly what perms produced which problems last night! One combination of disabling the onboard controller, using a particular card (WDAT-240), having both floppies on that card, worked. Odd, because it was an obvious one that I was sure I'd tried before; perhaps I did one BIOS reset too few or something. I've not tested single density yet. And I'm not sure about reading/formatting/writing DD disks in the HD 5.25" drive. But it's well after 1am here, and I've run out of time again... > Please feel free to contact me off list if you want to discuss this further. > I do not think there are any "simple" answers [although someone else may > have an idea, which is why I am publicly responding]. Any other suggestions are welcome :-) -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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What is this??? - Update

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jun 14, 21:54, Jules Richardson wrote: > On Mon, 2004-06-14 at 21:40, Carsten Brasholt wrote: > > Hi again, > > > > I just opened it up.... > > It's got 5 chips inside it. > > 74LS00 > > 74LS74 > > 8251AP-5 > > 74LS32 > > 4060 > > > > Does this help?? > > > > I know that prestel is some sort of teletext service - and perhaps a > > dial-up service, but this unit doesn't really look like it's related to > > a modem..... <pedant> Strictly speaking, "teletext" is broadcast, the generic term is "viewdata" :-) </pedant> > The 8251 is a serial comms chip - looks like you have an Amstrad > cartridge giving you a serial port on the DIN plug, to which you'd > connect up a serial modem in order to access Prestel. > > I have a feeling Prestel was 1200 baud downstream and 75 baud upstream, > but someone else will know for sure :-) Correct. The idea was to make most use of bandwidth with the technology of the early 1980s. Most of the data went from a central host to a terminal; what went back was mostly typed (page numbers, data entry fields, email), and few people regularly exceed 7 cps. There were special ports running normal symmetric 1200 half duplex and full duplex for "Information Providers" on a machine called Duke, but ordinary users didn't have access to Duke, or those ports. Data available included train and airline timetables, news, weather, lots of microcomputer stuff including "telesoftware", and all sorts of other things. There were quite a few other viewdata services besides Prestel. Some large businesses used viewdata, a few bulletin boards did, the Open University, some banks, and it was widely used by travel agents -- there was a special system run by a consortium for clearing holiday bookings. Derivatives included the French Minitel service, Germany's Bildschirmtext, and Canada had something too. The last commercial viewdata system I know of (Bank of Scotland HOBS service) finally closed last month (though it may still be running for special purposes). It would seem that there is little point in finishing off the rough edges on my X-Windows Prestel terminal software ;-) -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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IBM cassette tapes.

by henk.stegeman＠shell.com

Hi, Does anyone have technical information of the IBM cassette tapes used to load diagnostic programs in systems like the IBM System/7, IBM System/3 and the original IBM PC 5150 ? I am looking for the used frequencies (fsk), the data speed, the format, etc etc. Thanks for all your replies. Regards Henk Stegeman IBM S/7 restorer. http://www.anysystems.nl/system7.html

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WARNING: RANTING COMPUTER NUT...

by zmerch＠30below.com

Rumor has it that David V. Corbin may have mentioned these words: > >Fair warning, the following message contains the ratings of a single >individual. Danger, Will Robinson!!! ;-) >As shown by the above quote, there is a strong anti "PeeCee" bias by many >here. While I completely agree that there are significant *problems* with >both the hardware and (Windoze) software, I do believe that the more extreme >views are off base. *Everything* extreme is off-base to someone (quite often to a large installed base of someones!) That's human nature. (BTW, I'm not denigrating or disagreeing with what you stated -- I'm reinforcing it.) >IF the computer industry had remained with a large number of completely >different hardware/software environments which required trained operators >for even the most basic operations, then computing would not have become a >household commodity. I disagree. I do think it would have been more difficult, but it by no means would have been impossible. > Even neglecting price, consider the concept of everyone >having a [fill in the machine of your choice] in their home, at school (even >at the lower grade levels or preschools!], and in all of the other locations >where it is common to find computer access. > >Standardization of both hardware and software HAD TO HAPPEN, if computers >were to become the commodity they are today. Noper -- look at game consoles. Granted, some are a bit more popular than others, but there are still 3 main (and mainstream) platforms to choose from, all of which are incompatible with each other (and sometimes with themselves! ;-) ). >IBM/Intel had the technology, manpower, and finances to create a platform >that was (reasonably) affordable and the tech, manpower & most importantly finances to jam said inferior platform down everyone's throat. From IBM, it was by no means even reasonably affordable. (When I worked for GM/EDS on "da big iron" I was vacillating between purchasing an IBM PS/2 Model 30 286 w/30Meg HD and a <mumble> Color Macintosh <mumble>[1] -- neither of which I could afford, even on GM's plans. I bought a 386SX16 clone with 2x memory, 2x HD, better video, better monitor (which was actually OEMmed by IBM anyway, believe it or not) at .5x the price.) That's why Goatway, Hewlett Putrid & Hell computers are king, not IBM. (Compaq used to be king... where are they now?) When IBM said "You buy our PCs for your company, or you'll lose the lease for that IBM 3090..." What do you think those companies did? >, and significantly exceeded the >capabilities of the current generation of "personal" computers. That clone I purchased above, I bought for 1 reason: Games. It was an $1800 Nintendo. When I wanted to do *real* work, I sparked up my CoCo, as I could do more work in less time under OS-9. In 512K, sans HD, on a <2Mhz CPU, I could run a telecommunication software in one window, my spreadsheet in a second, word processor in a 3rd, Basic09 in a fourth, keep one window just at the prompt in case I needed it, and *still* had room for a 200K RamDrive. I didn't have a snowballs chance in Hades of doing *anything* like that with my IBM. >Bill Gates had the opportunity to develop an operating system [MS-DOS] Erm, it's well known he *bought* that. He did *not* develop it. The last thing BG worked on himself was the OS for the Tandy Model 'T' (Kyocera OEMmed) series of laptops. And that was back when Micro$haft still knew how to make decent software, instead of buy crap & selling it to IBM. >[snippety] >So does the PC Hardware Platform have some serious shortcomings? YES >Could a machine be build with significant technology advantages over a PC >architecture? YES >Does Windows have some real technology problems? DEFINITELY >Is the current pricing/licensing model out of line? DEPENDS IF YOU ARE A >VENDOR OR CUSTOMER <g> Yea, and judging from *my* margins, you're one helluva lot better of if you're a customer instead of a vendor... Unless you're name's Michael Dell, you won't get rich selling PCs in your hometown anymore... >Even with these issues, lets face the facts Windows/PC is going to be around >[and dominant] in most business and personal environments for a significant >period of time, unless something RADICAL happens on the technology level >[Bio-Neural-Networks come to mind]. So lets stop the bashing, and just LEARN >TO DEAL WITH IT! Gee, thanks for yelling. Just when I thought you were going to keep a logical, professional slant to your (up until now) well-thought-out missive. Sad, really. Regards, Roger Merchberger [1] I'm not denigrating said Macs -- I *really* wanted one. I just don't remember the model #s I was looking at buying - hence the <mumble>. -- Roger "Merch" Merchberger | "Profile, don't speculate." sysadmin, Iceberg Computers | Daniel J. Bernstein zmerch(a)30below.com |

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1979 microproc cookbook on eBay

by jpl15＠panix.com

A book with a good number of early microprocessors in it: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=378&item=6905523806&… 4 days left, no bids, $9.99 Cheers John

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Prestel (Was: Re: What is this??? - Update)

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jun 15, 17:22, Rob O'Donnell wrote: > >I'd love to see the server-side of things running somewhere again > >though. > > > >It'd be nice to have a Prestel server at Bletchley with some assorted > >80's machines hooked up to it (bodging the phone network inbetween :) > >but chances are that nobody's got a copy of the necessary server > >software any more :-( > I should still have enough equipment and software about to set up at least > two of the various BBC-micro based servers which I ran at various times, > including the multi-user software that the GnomeAtHome ran on which I had > an official copy of... Wasn't that basically CommunITeL? I still have a copy, and I think I have a copy of at least one other server package for a Beeb. I used to run a viewdata BBS for a short while. > (Ah, the joys of building ring-detect circuits for cheap and nasty 1200 > baud modems that didn't have them..) 'cause BABT made it so difficult (and ludicrously expensive) to get approval. I built one that did ringback in hardware, so we could tell whether it was a BBS call or a real person (only had one phone line). For those who've not come across this usage of "ringback", it means a system where the caller hangs up after the first ring, then immediately redials. The modem only responds if the first ring is short enough, and the second follows after a minimum (but still within a maximum) time. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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age limits for classic computers

by melamy＠earthlink.net

I would not want the group to lose focus either, but I consider my IBM XT just as useful as my H88, my Northstar Horizon, and my Intel MDS-225. I also was proposing a 15 to 20 year period rather than just ten. best regards, Steve Thatcher -----Original Message----- From: "Dwight K. Elvey" <dwight.elvey(a)amd.com> Sent: Jun 16, 2004 12:28 PM To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: age limits for classic computers >From: "Steve Thatcher" <melamy(a)earthlink.net> > >set an age limit only (make it 15 or 20 years). It is quite fair to have someone email in and say they are trying to get old hardware running. There is no reason (other than personal) to restrict the list to topics as long as they do not include windows, PCs, DOS, or LINUX. It can be quite a challenge to get an old pc running as is ANY S100 based system. I have done both and I am quite willing to help anyone try and resolve issues on any machine I have experience with. > Hi It is just that it would be a shame to turn this into a "Fix My PC" group. There was an active news group that that happened to. They changed the name of the group but it never recovered. All the people the new how to fix PC left and now just about all one sees are single letters asking for help in the old group. I think that rather than a 10 year limit, we might consider a specific date. For those that want to deal with newer machines, they can spawn a new side group. Similar to the tech group. I don't want to shut out the newer stuff but then, I also don't want to see this group loose its focus. Dwight

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Prestel (Was: Re: What is this??? - Update)

by dwight.elvey＠amd.com

>From: "Vintage Computer Festival" <vcf(a)siconic.com> > >On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 charlesb(a)otcgaming.net wrote: > >> is it me, or are we still getting double posts ?? > >I always get double, sometimes triple or quadruple sets of the same >messages. They come in spurts. I have never been able to figure out why. >Well, I've never really tried. I asked Jay about it and he says it's not >on his side. I'm taking his word for it and assuming my e-mail server is >screwed, which is a distinct possibility. I've been meaning to install a >new server but have not had time to do so. I'm assuming a brand new >server with new everything will fix this problem, but I'd be curious to >know if other people are experiencing the same thing. It started doing >this one day last year. > >This only happens with CC list traffic (it's the only list I'm on). > > Hi I suspect it is someone out there with a virus. I'd guess the virus thinks it is sending infected messages but isn't. This is just my guess. Dwight

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Prestel (Was: Re: What is this??? - Update)

by Innfogra＠aol.com

In a message dated 6/16/04 10:05:14 AM Pacific Daylight Time, dvcorbin(a)optonline.net writes: Same issue here. I *should* be just getting messages once as they are posted, however 2-3 times per day, I get a complete burst of multiple messages Interesting, I don't see any of this behavior in the posts I receive on AOL. Did get some rare double echoes days later the other day but that is all I have seen. Paxton Astoria, OR (Where they are making The Ring II right now. Fun with moviemakers in town again!)

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age limits for classic computers

by dwight.elvey＠amd.com

>From: "Steve Thatcher" <melamy(a)earthlink.net> > >set an age limit only (make it 15 or 20 years). It is quite fair to have someone email in and say they are trying to get old hardware running. There is no reason (other than personal) to restrict the list to topics as long as they do not include windows, PCs, DOS, or LINUX. It can be quite a challenge to get an old pc running as is ANY S100 based system. I have done both and I am quite willing to help anyone try and resolve issues on any machine I have experience with. > Hi It is just that it would be a shame to turn this into a "Fix My PC" group. There was an active news group that that happened to. They changed the name of the group but it never recovered. All the people the new how to fix PC left and now just about all one sees are single letters asking for help in the old group. I think that rather than a 10 year limit, we might consider a specific date. For those that want to deal with newer machines, they can spawn a new side group. Similar to the tech group. I don't want to shut out the newer stuff but then, I also don't want to see this group loose its focus. Dwight

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AlphaServer ECU / AlphaServer for sell

by jkunz＠unixag-kl.fh-kl.de

Hi. I am looking for the EISA Config Utility (ECU) floppies for the folowing machines: AlspaServer 2100 5/250 AlspaServer 1000A 5/400 AlspaServer 1000A 4/266 AlphaStation 600 5/266 If someone wants to by the AlspaServer 1000A 5/400 drop me a note. It is located in Kaiserslautern / Germany. I can deliver to Karlsruhe (LinuxTag) next week. Also for sell: DEC HSD30 SCSI to DSSI RAID with two empty BA350 Storage works shelfes and PCI DSSI adapter. -- tsch??, Jochen Homepage: http://www.unixag-kl.fh-kl.de/~jkunz/

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WARNING: RANTING COMPUTER NUT...

by dwight.elvey＠amd.com

>From: "Joe R." <rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com> ---snip--- >I don't like the current over-bloated version-of-the-day MicroSoft products >either but it doesn't mean that the early PCs are uninteresting and not >worth collecting. > > Joe > Hi I have Joe address so just ask me and I'll give it to you to send your old junk computers, hardware and software. Dwight PS just kidding. Your right Joe, it is all information that is being lost. The problem is for the most part, we still have to pick and choose. Not many people want a 1951 chevy either. Now, a 1957 Nomad, I'd consider that.

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LPS (Digital PrintServer) questions

by msokolov＠ivan.Harhan.ORG

akb+lists.cctech(a)imap1.mirror.to (Andrew K. Bressen) wrote: > [incredible wealth of great useful info] Andrew, thank you very much for such a detailed answer packed with actual information! Earlier today, though, I sent someone a check for an HP LaserJet 4Si, so in all likelihood I'll be using that as my printer. I worked with those before and I love its engine and the way it's built, it's a great printer, and it can be equipped with a duplexer, which is extremely important for me. Since I'm a ClassicCmp'er, my printing consists mostly of specs, manuals and datasheets, and I need duplex for that. Though 4Si has only a parallel port on the base unit and is usually equipped with a JetDirect Ethernet MIO card, I have found that there exists an MIO parallel/serial card and an HP printer parts dealer is willing to sell me one. If I equip my 4Si with that card and with the PostScript SIMM, I could use it as a pure serial PostScript printer and pretend that it's a DEC LN03R. (I would also want to disable PCL and make it PS-only. HP doesn't really want you to be able to do it, but it can be set to PostScript personality in the menu. It doesn't disable PJL commands and those can still throw it back into PCL, but blocking the ESC character in the UNIX daemon/filter driving it will stop it.) Oh well, at least I'm glad I've found the MIO card for it with a serial port, so I won't have to connect it to Ethernet (in fact I'll remove the JetDirect card and put it in the closet out of my sight as soon as I get it). It's just awful, a protocol kitchen sink. But I may still some day get to play with an LPS, so I have saved your information-packed message for that day. Thanks again! MS

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LPS (Digital PrintServer) questions

by msokolov＠ivan.Harhan.ORG

Hi everyone, In my search for what would be the best laser printer for me, I'm currently thinking about DEC LPS17, aka Digital PrintServer 17. A DEC dealer close to me is willing to sell me one for a reasonable price, and it seems like a really cool printer: just like the LPS40/20/32 monsters, but fits on a tabletop. Like all Digital PrintServers, it has a built-in VAX CPU running the PostScript interpreter. However, the firmware image for this VAX, containing the PS interpreter and everything else, does not reside in ROM but is instead down-line loaded on powerup over Ethernet, I presume via MOP. So it needs a MOP server on the network serving its firmware image. I can set up a MOP server, but I don't have the LPS firmware image. So here comes my first question to the list: does anyone have an LPS firmware image or is one publicly available on some archive site? DEC docs seem to imply that the firmware is the same for all LPS'es, is this true or not? I need an image that can run on LPS17 as that's the only LPS I can get. Second question. It is my understanding that once an LPS has booted its firmware, it becomes an independent node on the network accepting print jobs from anywhere on the network. Is this true or not? The protocols it speaks are DECnet and TCP/IP, right? If so, how does it obtain its DECnet and IP addresses? And if I want only one of the two, how do I configure it? Does it down-line load a configuration file from the MOP server along with the firmware image specifying DECnet and IP addresses? What is the format of this file? Third question. It is my understanding that the protocol spoken over TCP/IP is extremely simple: no LPR/LPD or anything like that, just a simple TCP port, you connect to it and everything sent to that TCP port goes to the PostScript interpreter's %stdin, and this port is 170. Is my understanding correct? If so, that's perfect, that's exactly what I want, I don't want it to do any spooling or other lpd-level intelligence, I want my 4.3BSD server to do all that, with a raw PostScript over Ethernet connection to the LPS. Fourth question. Is this PostScript-over-Ethernet connection on TCP port 170 binary clean, or is 0x04 (^D) interpreted as end of one PS job and beginning of the next? In other words, does my lpd on the 4.3BSD host driving it need to send a 0x04 between print jobs or should it close the TCP connection and reopen it instead? Fifth question. Is there any access control mechanism by which LPS firmware can be configured to accept connections only from certain sources, or will it always accept connections (and print jobs) from the entire Universe? TIA for any help, MS

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Searching for HP LA Inverse Assembler toolkit

by mreimann＠batalpha.com

Hello Jim, I've just bought a HP1652B logic analyser on eBay. Now I'm searching for the 10391b Inverse Assembler toolkit. I've found your posting from 2002 on classiccmp.org. The files don't seem to be downloadable from Agilent's FTP server anymore. So may I kindly ask you if you could please send me the files for the toolkit and Agilent's IAs by e-mail ? Thank you for your help ! Greetings from Germany Michael -- Michael Reimann . Hardware Development batalpha Bobach GmbH . Germany . www.batalpha.com

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Betr.: Prestel (Was: Re: What is this??? - Update)

by e.huininga＠sozawe.groningen.nl

In the late 80's early 90's I wrote a viewdata BBS for the Acorn BBC. Due to the fact that my beeb is currently broken I have no means of sorting all my disks. When I find the time to fix it I'll probably find this program. Cheers, Eelco >>> Jules Richardson <julesrichardsonuk(a)yahoo.co.uk> 06/15 11:31 >>> On Tue, 2004-06-15 at 01:53, Pete Turnbull wrote: > There were quite a few other viewdata services besides Prestel. Some > large businesses used viewdata, a few bulletin boards did, the Open > University, some banks, and it was widely used by travel agents -- > there was a special system run by a consortium for clearing holiday > bookings. Derivatives included the French Minitel service, Germany's > Bildschirmtext, and Canada had something too. The last commercial > viewdata system I know of (Bank of Scotland HOBS service) finally > closed last month (though it may still be running for special > purposes). I'd love to see the server-side of things running somewhere again though. It'd be nice to have a Prestel server at Bletchley with some assorted 80's machines hooked up to it (bodging the phone network inbetween :) but chances are that nobody's got a copy of the necessary server software any more :-( Even if they did have the server software, I can't see them having a snapshot of live data from the 80's which is what would make it really interesting. I don't really fancy writing a few hundred fake pages :-) I've heard mention of some sort of viewdata server system there (not Prestel), although I haven't personally stumbled across it in storage yet (no room currently to have it on display!). PDP hardware IIRC. I'll have to find some more details and then see how viable it is to get running again... > It would seem that there is little point in finishing off the rough > edges on my X-Windows Prestel terminal software ;-) See above :-) cheers Jules

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Sell or Trade TC01?

by vcf＠siconic.com

I've got a friend who's looking for a TC01 for sale or trade. Does anyone have one? Please e-mail me and I'll put you in touch with the interested party... -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ]

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Raidion LTX SCSI to SCSI raid system

by haefele＠mchsi.com

Morning All, I've pulled an old Raidion LTX SCSI RAID out of the closet in hopes of using it to backup a small server (SS20) and need some help getting it running again. For example, is replacing the drives a simple swap? The existing ones are Micropolis 3243's but 2 of the four are dead and I'd like to replace them with 4 Seagate 9.1GB narrow drives that are handy. The company appears moribund (www.raidionsystems.com). The online links to manuals are dead and email to the tech support address is returned as undeliverable. Phone calls to Tech Support get voicemail but no return call. Web searching leads to old product reviews, the company homepage, and not much else that's useful. Appreciate any leads to manuals or other documentation. TIA for your help, Doug

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Raidion LTX SCSI to SCSI raid cerca 1994

by haefele＠mchsi.com

Morning All, I've pulled an old Raidion LTX SCSI RAID out of the closet in hopes of using it to backup a small server (SS20) and need some help getting it running again. For example, is replacing the drives a simple swap? The existing ones are Micropolis 3243's but 2 of the four are dead and I'd like to replace them with 4 Seagate 9.1GB narrow drives that are handy. The company appears moribund (www.raidionsystems.com). The online links to manuals are dead and email to the tech support address is returned as undeliverable. Phone calls to Tech Support get voicemail but no return call. Web searching leads to old product reviews, the company homepage, and not much else that's useful. Appreciate any leads to manuals or other documentation. TIA for your help, Doug

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Any MacIvory boards from Symbolics? Was: Macs: Billions

by ken＠seefried.com

From: chris <cb(a)mythtech.net> > >Did the MacIvory card come in another other format? LC PDS maybe? A >number of AIO macs have LC PDS slots. Nope...only a multilayer, full length NuBus card. See: http://www.abstractscience.freeserve.co.uk/symbolics/photos/MacIvory-3/index .html Ken

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What is this???

by carsten＠brasholt.dk

Hi all, I've just been looking through a box of old computer-stuff and found the following small item: It looks like a cartridge (8x5cm) for an Amstrad with a passthrough edge connector and a lead (70cm) comming out with a 5-pin DIN plug (male) at the end. On the label it says: Cirkit Prestel Link Amstrad Interface Any help appreciated. Searches on Google gives nothing! Cheers, Carsten

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Hey Hey 16K

by transit＠lerami.lerctr.org

If you hacked around with 8-bit computers in the 80's you'll get this. http://www2.b3ta.com/heyhey16k/

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Prestel (Was: Re: What is this??? - Update)

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jun 15, 9:31, Jules Richardson wrote: > It'd be nice to have a Prestel server at Bletchley with some assorted > 80's machines hooked up to it (bodging the phone network inbetween :) > but chances are that nobody's got a copy of the necessary server > software any more :-( If only for local use, a small PBX or a few line emulators would do. > Even if they did have the server software, I can't see them having a > snapshot of live data from the 80's which is what would make it really > interesting. I don't really fancy writing a few hundred fake pages :-) You might be able to get some pages from peopel who used to run BBC BBSs. Or people Rob and I know might have some dusty archives. > I've heard mention of some sort of viewdata server system there (not > Prestel), although I haven't personally stumbled across it in storage > yet (no room currently to have it on display!). PDP hardware IIRC. Some of the commercial systems did indeed use the ubiquitous PDP-11, but the real thing ran on GEC hardware. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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WARNING: RANTING COMPUTER NUT...

by melamy＠earthlink.net

to all the ranters (no matter what the subject), apply Thumper's Rule to what you say - in the movie Bambi - Thumper the rabbit was told by his mother - "if you can't say anything nice, then don't say anything at all." This list is for classic computers. Any chance you all can keep your personal feelings from wasting email bandwidth. best regards, Steve Thatcher -----Original Message----- From: der Mouse <mouse(a)rodents.montreal.qc.ca> Sent: Jun 15, 2004 11:30 AM To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Subject: Re: WARNING: RANTING COMPUTER NUT... > [...rant about the general dislike of peecees...] > [they're here and not going away]. So lets stop the bashing, and > just LEARN TO DEAL WITH IT! Learn to deal with it, yes. But I don't see that as a reason to stop the bashing. If the criticisms were unfair, perhaps. But even you, in your rant, admit they're broken on many levels (as compared to most other machines); I see no particular reason to stop pointing out something that's broken just because we're stuck with its presence. /~\ The ASCII der Mouse \ / Ribbon Campaign X Against HTML mouse(a)rodents.montreal.qc.ca / \ Email! 7D C8 61 52 5D E7 2D 39 4E F1 31 3E E8 B3 27 4B

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Cool 4004 based calculator

by dwight.elvey＠amd.com

Hi I thought I'd mention that I've written a simulator for the 4004 in the environment of a SIM-4. One could adapt it to most any hardware environment. It is written in Forth so it can be quite flexible for someone that knows Forth. If anyone is interested, I can dig it up. With a little time to refamiliarize myself with the code, I can help connect up I/O. It runs under FPC on a DOS PC platform. There is a simple assembler and disassembler as well. For someone wanting to do a 4004 project, it can be quite useful at debugging code and hardware concepts. Dwight

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[Fwd: Re: [GreenKeys] Teletype 33ASR and PDP8 Information]

by tomj＠wps.com

I'm taking the liberty to forward this post from another list regarding DEC info... Please reply to the author directly.... -----Forwarded Message----- From: Bob Camp <ham(a)cq.nu> To: Don Robert House <drhouse(a)mchsi.com> Cc: greenkeys maillist <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Teletype 33ASR and PDP8 Information Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 09:21:54 -0400 Hi The KL8 and KL11 interfaces (and for that matter the DL11's later on) had standard configuration entries for five level code. Has anybody come across DEC code that drove five level machines like model 28's? Obviously there was ham code out there that did the job, but was there anything from DEC? Thanks Bob Camp KB8TQ On Jun 11, 2004, at 6:52 PM, Don Robert House wrote: >> Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 17:48:47 -0500 >> To: "Roger F. Bindl - Webmaster" <rfbindl(a)hem.com> >> From: Don Robert House <drhouse(a)mchsi.com> >> Subject: ADD LINK TO NADCOMM SITE >> >> Roger >> >> Please add this link to the NADCOMM website. >> >> 33ASR and PDP8 Technical Information: >> >> <documentation.http://www.pdp8.net/pdp8cgi/query_docs/query.pl? >> Search=teletype&stype=Partial+Word&dtype=Document+Sets&submit=Submit+Q >> uery> > > _______________________________________________ > GreenKeys mailing list > GreenKeys(a)mailman.qth.net > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys > _______________________________________________ GreenKeys mailing list GreenKeys(a)mailman.qth.net http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys

22 years, 2 months

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AMC/AMD Z-8000 Multibus pictures

by dwight.elvey＠amd.com

Hi Joe Al Kossow has schematics for this board. I don't recall which ones were which but one of boards ( with a little bit of modifications ) could have CP/M-8000 brought up on it. If you want to try this with one of your intel floppy cards, I'd try to help you. I can compile the code on my Olivetti M20. It is mostly just getting the BIOS done and a little fiddle faddle with the addressing. Dwight >From: "Joe R." <rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com> > > I just posted some pictures of the AMC/AMD Z-8000 Multibus chassis and >cards that I found last week at <http://www.classiccmp.org/hp/amc/>. The >chassis and CPU card are marked Advanced Micro Computer. AMC was a short >lived division of Advanced Micro Devices (AMD). The CPU card is marked >96/4116 Monoboard. The other two cards are wire wrapped. Most of the ICs on >them are SSI ICs but the one card has a bunch of Singnetics PLS 105N >Programmable Logic Sequencers. > > Joe >

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