- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by tomj＠wps.com

SAGE was a great pioneering thing, but here's a take that's likely not to be popular here. Les Earnest is a genuine greybeard, and appropriately crusty. http://www.stanford.edu/~learnest/e2a.html I know SAGE is a sacred cow, but they often make the best burgers. Also check out some of his other pleasant rantings at http://www.stanford.edu/~learnest

22 years

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TKQ50 proms

by trash3＠splab.cas.neu.edu

I have three boards. Two of them are Rev. K3. One of the boards has PROMS on it, and no readable version, but the second has the 330-E5 and the 331-E5. What is your timeframe? I have to power up the right PC with the eprom burner on it to read them, but that could be done within a fortnight or less. Joe Heck

22 years

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Cool finds: B-24 Radio manual

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

I know this is OT but I thought this was just too neat not to pass on. My father just retired and he's now trying to clean up 70 years of packratting. I was over helping him sort out his TTY stuff and found an old book in the bottom of a drawer titled Service and Instruction manual RADIO B-24D Airplane. It's a hardbound book printed by Consolidated Aircraft in 1943 that describes all of the radio systems aboard the B-24 Liberator bomber. It's over 250 pages long and every page in it is marked Restricted and it covers everything you could ever want to know about the Command, Marker Beacon, Radio Compass and Laison radio sets including detailed parts lists, cable and antenna routing, large foldout schematics, pictures of the radio sets with all the various parts labeled, pictures of the cockpit with all the rdio controls labeled, radio theory and loads more. One of the odd things about this book is that it's NOT a military manual. It's written in (mostly) non-technical and very readable manner and not like the dry writing style used in military manuals. It's also hard bound with leather looking cover and a nice gold embossed Consolidated Aircraft seal and title on the front cover and spine. My father wants me to try and sell it but I think I might just lose it on my bookshelf! Joe

22 years

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System/32 update...

by aek＠spies.com

> Thanks Sellam! Now if you find me a 360.... :-) how about a Univac 90 30 ? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=162&item=3740834255

22 years

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National Semiconductor DS8136/DM8136

by trash3＠splab.cas.neu.edu

Could not find a DS8136 in any book but found the DM8136 in the 1981 National Semiconductor Logic Databook, section 7. It is a 6-bit Unified Bus COmparator, 16 pin. used to compare two 6 bit words. I have the paper copy of the documentation, only 3 pages. I'll post more if somebody needs it, or do it offline. Joe Heck

22 years

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TKQ50 proms

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Aug 9 2004, 22:28, quapla(a)xs4all.nl wrote: > You should have told me earlier. I have a controller here which has > those 2 roms on them. Mind you, the other 3 I have all have 23-248 & > 23-249 on them. Ah. That's a shame -- I could have copied them while you were here! > BTW, what's so special about them (other than being having a higher > firmware revision)? Later versions of some OSs don't like some of the bugs in the earlier ROMs, when you have a full complement of memory, so I want to upgrade the TQK50 in my MicroVAX. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

22 years

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TKQ50 proms

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Aug 9 2004, 14:35, trash3(a)splab.cas.neu.edu wrote: > Pete, > I have a few tqk50 controllers (at least they are qbus and run tk50 > drives). I'll have to look up the numbers but I'm pretty sure they say > tqk50 on them. I am in the Boston, MA area. If I can fire up my eprom > programmer and they are of the 27xxx ilk, I can read them. If not, I'll > ship you a board, since I am a little closer. Shipping would still be transatlantic, but the ROMs should be 27128s so they should be easy to read. Intel HEX or a binary image are preferred, but I can also handle S-record files if necessary. Thank you! -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

22 years

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contact lube

by trash3＠splab.cas.neu.edu

We have used stabilant 22 for about 14 years now, mostly on 1/4 inch phone jacks and plugs that get oxidized from infrequent use. Saw that trick in a Byte magazine way back. Expensive but it works for us. Joe Heck

22 years

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important

by rschaefe＠gcfn.org

Please read the important document.

22 years

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8" floppy project

by vp＠cs.drexel.edu

Vintage Computer Festival <vcf(a)siconic.com> wrote: > First of all, a pure DOS computer is a VERY handy tool to have around. MS-DOS is really a program loader, which is actually extremely important since PCs do not come with monitor program. SUNs come with the Forth boot ROM which is arguably far more useful than MSDOS, but not very popular. For this reason you won't see anything like MSDOS for SUNs. I have a VMware VM running MSDOS with network support and I use this to compile TurboC programs (for some reason the tcc linker does not run in a Windows 2000, or later DOS box, it does run on MS-DOS-based systems like Windows 95/98/ME). I also find the lack of any amount of resource management by MSDOS to be invaluable for writing programs that explore the behaviour of hardware systems (e.g. HP-IB devices). Of course, I wouldn't use such a system for any real work :-) I am amazed that people actually did so. **vp

22 years

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Diversi-DIAL

by ryandc＠shaw.ca

I read in a post somewhere that you still have the DDIAL software and modems? Is this true And if so would you be willing to part with it? Thanks Ryan

22 years

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LF: Commodore PET schematics, troubleshooting info

by dave04a＠dunfield.com

Hi Gang, I'm looking for Commodore PET schematics, and any helpful info on troubleshooting a PET. The machine in question is a SuperPET 9000. This is basically a PET 4032 with an extra pair of boards added that allows a 6809 processor. I have two machines, one is fully functional, and one does not run on the "6502" setting (works on the 6809 setting). I also have a working 4032 which has an identical 6502 board to the SuperPET. I have stripped both SuperPET's down to the 6502 board only (ie: same as a 4032), the working one continues to work, and the dead one continues to not work. I suspect ROM's, as I have seen a lot of PET ROM's go bad ... unfortunately all three machines are NOT socketed, so simple swap tests are "unfriendly". All three machines when powered on, play a little "bee-dle-bee-dle-bee" in the Pizo speaker, and clear the screen - the two working units then proceed to display "Commodore BASIC version 4.0, .... READY", while the dead one does not. Entering the command "print chr$(7)" on the dead one does NOT result in a beep, indicating that BASIC is not running (it does beep on the other two). I'm assuming that it does clear the screen, because if powered up without the CPU plugged in it displays a screen full of "garbage" - ie: the video display is "hard" and active all the time - (the CPU is one of only a few chips in a socket due to it's being "moved" to the expansion board with a ribbon cable in the full configuration). Anyone have experience with these PET's? Anyone have schematics? Suggestions, etc. welcome. Regards, Dave -- dave04a (at) Dave Dunfield dunfield (dot) Firmware development services & tools: www.dunfield.com com Vintage computing equipment collector. http://www.parse.com/~ddunfield/museum/index.html

22 years

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TKQ50 proms

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Aug 9 2004, 7:46, Ed Kelleher wrote: > At 07:23 AM 8/9/2004, Pete Turnbull wrote: > >I'm looking for ROMs (or ROM images would be better) for a TQK50 > >controller. The ROMs I want are 23-330E5 and 23-331E5. Can anyone > >help? > Have 2 TQK50's K3 Rev with those ROM's on them I'm not using. > Haven't fiddled with the EPROM machine for years, so no easy way to >get the images. > But I'll send you a board if nothing better turns up for you. If no-one else offers, that would be great. Thanks! Is there anyone out there who could read the (EP)ROMs to save Ed sending them across the Atlantic to me? -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

22 years

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Gaps in the collection (was Re: rarest computers. )

by vp＠cs.drexel.edu

ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell) wrote: > Talking of HP using 555 timers, they used one to drive the power-on light > in the HP86 (and I assuem the HP97). [...] (nitpicking here, you are talking about the 87) > So the LED is dark if the machine is off, on steadily if the machine is > on and no error (555 is held reset, so the output is low all the time), > and blinks (controlled by the 555) if there's an error. Actually the LED blinks when the machine is busy (e.g. running a program). This is very neat as with the HP85 you sometimes do not know whether the program has finished or is still running. **vp

22 years

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Heathkit Jr Workshop 35

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

Found two of them but no docs or boxes. Not much on the web anybody have one or better yet have docs on this unit? Thanks

22 years

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Keyboard pads

by vcf＠siconic.com

I've found several keyboards with the foam pads. Incidentally, none were of either the Keytronic or Sun type that I've heard other people talk about. All the Keytronic keyboards and two of the Sun keyboards I checked do not have the pads, but rather rubber "cones". I've gotten fairly good at being able to determine which keyboards have the pads and which ones don't based on the feel of the keypress. Anyway, if anyone needs these pads for restoration work, I'll sell the relevant part of the keyboard for $10 plus shipping (minus extraneous plastic/metal to reduce weight), or I'll take all the pads out for you for $20 plus shipping. It may well work out to be a wash either way. Figure the cost is $.20 per pad if you have me take them out, which I think is a good deal. E-mail me privately if interested. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ]

22 years

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eBay Auction of Classic Compaq Luggable

by blair＠chard.net

Hey all, The subject says it all: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=5113549953&ssPageNa… Sincerely, Blair Miller

22 years

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Altos 386/1000 - anyone got install media?

by gordon＠gjcp.net

Hi there, I've just got an Altos 386/1000 with what appears to be 14M of memory, an expansion board with four RS232 ports and possibly two AUI ports (one is certainly AUI), and a 300-odd Mb hard drive that I suspect is dying. Does anyone have a copy of some install media for this? I would like to try another, healthier (and possibly quieter) SCSI drive in the old beast. I think it probably boots an installer from tape, but there is a 5.25" floppy drive as well. Thanks folks, Gordon JC Pearce.

22 years

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Bludgeoned to death with an iPod? (was Re: Holy cow... Concealed weapons)

by cb＠mythtech.net

>> You're more likely to be hurt by a PC or an iPod (woman in Tennessee >> killed her boyfriend with an iPod) >> http://www.liquidgeneration.com/rumormill/ipod_killing.html > >"Police said no motive has been confirmed, although evidence suggested >the murder was the result of a domestic dispute after Pulaski erased the >contents of Mathers' iPod." > >That is the funniest damn thing I have heard all week. > >"According to law officers, Mathers was hysterical when police arrived >and told them that she killed her boyfriend only after he accused her of >illegally downloading music and erased about 2,000 of her MP3s. Mathers >complained that it took 3 months to build her music collection." > >Innocent. I'd a done the same damn thing. Cripes... I want to know if the iPod still works! That would be a durability test no one else could lay claim to. "You can bash in your boyfriend's head, and continue listening to your MP3's, all without missing a beat" -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

22 years

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First computer with real-time clock?

by toresbe＠ifi.uio.no

EUREKA! Reading Scott Stevens' post regarding the FORTRAN decks, a bell suddenly rang inside my wee head. http://www.columbia.edu/acis/history/1965.html The 7090 had an accurate, mechanical TOD clock. I feel so clever now! ^_^ -tsb Please CC any replies to me (toresbe(a)ifi.uio.no) as my cctech digest is unreliable at best.

22 years

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TKQ50 proms

by trash3＠splab.cas.neu.edu

Pete, I have a few tqk50 controllers (at least they are qbus and run tk50 drives). I'll have to look up the numbers but I'm pretty sure they say tqk50 on them. I am in the Boston, MA area. If I can fire up my eprom programmer and they are of the 27xxx ilk, I can read them. If not, I'll ship you a board, since I am a little closer. Joe Heck

22 years

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System/32 update

by mross666＠hotmail.com

On Sun, 8 Aug 2004, Al Kossow wrote: >> > Thanks Sellam! Now if you find me a 360.... :-) >> >>how about a Univac 90 30 ? >> >>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=162&item=3740834255 > >Mmmmm. Nice. I hope someone in the UK can grab this. Consider it grabbed. I'm in the USA, but I'll go back home to Britland to grab that! Mike http://www.corestore.org

22 years

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National Semiconductor DS8136/DM8136

by dwight.elvey＠amd.com

Hi I'm mixing it up with one of the others. It looks like it is the comparator. I stand corrected. Dwight >From: "Pete Turnbull" <pete(a)dunnington.u-net.com> > >On Aug 9 2004, 9:10, Dwight K. Elvey wrote: >> From: "emanuel stiebler" <emu(a)ecubics.com> >> > Hi, >> > anybody out here has a datasheet for those ? > >> If I'm not correct, these are a 8 bit bus buffer. > >I'm 99% sure you're not correct. They're 6-bit bus comparators. > DM8136 is the Signetics part number, and DS8136 is the NatSemi one; >alas I have data for neither. > >-- >Pete Peter Turnbull > Network Manager > University of York >

22 years

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National Semiconductor DS8136/DM8136

by aek＠spies.com

page 28 of www.bitsavers.org/pdf/dec/qbus/MP00706-ET-LSI-11_Dec81.pdf shows their use on the original DLV-11

22 years

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National Semiconductor DS8136/DM8136

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Aug 9 2004, 9:10, Dwight K. Elvey wrote: > From: "emanuel stiebler" <emu(a)ecubics.com> > > Hi, > > anybody out here has a datasheet for those ? > If I'm not correct, these are a 8 bit bus buffer. I'm 99% sure you're not correct. They're 6-bit bus comparators. DM8136 is the Signetics part number, and DS8136 is the NatSemi one; alas I have data for neither. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

22 years

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National Semiconductor DS8136/DM8136

by aek＠spies.com

they are 6 bit comparitors often used as address comparitors on early unibus boards. I'm sure there is an example of their use on early unibus board schematics i'll see about digging up the data sheet. from memory it's an xor/nand combination.

22 years

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National Semiconductor DS8136/DM8136

by emu＠ecubics.com

Hi, anybody out here has a datasheet for those ? Thanks

22 years

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8" Floppy Project

by Watzman＠neo.rr.com

Personally, I'm becoming convinced that we need a USB to floppy "device, configurable for 8", 5.25" and 3.5" drives, single/double/quad density, single/double sided, with suitable software (of course). Perhaps separate slightly separate devices are needed for different drive types (e.g. 8" vs. 5.25"). And preferably capable of supporting two drives. I took apart a USB 3.5" drive hoping that it was a standard 3.5" drive (34-conductor interface) with a USB "controller". Alas, however, it was a "fully integrated" device. Anyone interested in tackling the USB adapter project? It's beyond my capabilities at this point.

22 years

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IBM and Siemens Terminals available...

by wolfgang＠eichberger.org

Dear friends of old IBM and Siemens Gear, I have a few IBM 3277 (at least 3) and Siemens (1 or 2) Terminals available. They are from around 1980. The units come complete with keyboards. I left my scribble-sheet in my office, so I can provide the correct Siemens model no. tomorrow. If you are interested please take a look at http://www.eichberger.org/tmp_term.html. The units are located in Linz/Austria. Please contact me personally for more Details. I know these units are not very expensive these days, but I'd like to have a few Euros (not really much) or another interesting Item in exchange for them if this is okay for you. I do not want to put them up in Ebay, so if you know someone off-list feel free to forward this message. Best Regards, Wolfgang Eichberger ==================================================== Ing. Wolfgang Eichberger cell.: +43-664-240-65-92 http://www.eichberger.org email: wolfgang(a)eichberger.org ---------------------------------------------------- Gruentalerstr. 24 - 4020 Linz ? AUSTRIA ====================================================

22 years

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National Semiconductor DS8136/DM8136

by dwight.elvey＠amd.com

>From: charlesb(a)otcgaming.net >From: "emanuel stiebler" <emu(a)ecubics.com> > > >> Hi, >> anybody out here has a datasheet for those ? >> >> Thanks >> >> >> > > Hi If I'm not correct, these are a 8 bit bus buffer. I think they are bidirectional but I'm not sure about that. They don't have the same pinout as a '245 but function the same. Dwight

22 years

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Holy cow... Concealed weapons

by cb＠mythtech.net

>South Carolina requires training and has a written test and a shooting test >that people must pass before receiving a concealed weapon permit. Most >other states have training requirements also. >But, none of them are very arduous and yes many states don' t have training >requirements at all as you say. In NJ to get a carry permit, you have to be 18, and you have to petition a judge to issue you the carry permit. Before they will consider you, you MUST "qualify" with a handgun. That basically means, you know how to load, unload, handle, and can hit the broad side of a barn. After that it is entirely up to the judge if you get the carry permit or not. Generally speaking, they won't give you the permit unless you have a really good reason for it (work as armed security, or have some profession such as a diamond dealer that would give you a valid reason for it). General shmucks would not be given the permit... unless you happen to be buddies with the judge. So in NJ, it isn't impossible to get a carry permit, but it isn't the easiest thing for a general citizen to get. At least that was the way it worked 10 years ago when it was last of issue to me (I used to work for a security company as a "rent-a-cop" to pay for college). -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

22 years

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Altos 386-1000 Install media, manuals, or anything else

by gordonjcp＠gjcp.ath.cx

Hi there, I've just acquired an Altos 386-1000. It's got an expansion board with what seems to be two AUIs and four extra serial ports, what appears to be 14M of RAM, and a 300-odd Mb hard disk that I suspect may be failing. Does anyone have a copy of any manuals, or any install media for this? It is running some kind of Sys V Unix, and does actually boot most of the time, but I'd like to fit another (quieter, if nothing else) drive to it. Also, it has a lot of old customer information from the previous owner, and I'd like to do a clean install if at all possible. Many thanks, Gordon JC Pearce.

22 years

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going...going...

by ggs＠shiresoft.com

Hi, I have a Sun Sparc Server 490 that I posted as being available on the list for pickup (ie *free*) some time ago. Someone had previously wanted it but they seemed to have fallen off the face of the Earth. So, if someone doesn't claim this (and take it) it's going to the scrapper. Speak up now or don't bitch when it gets melted down! -- TTFN - Guy

22 years

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System/32 update...

by mross666＠hotmail.com

Sellam was kind enough to connect me with a System/32 donor a few months ago; finally got around to a couple of webpages. The machine: http://www.corestore.org/32-2.htm The troubleshooting: http://www.corestore.org/32restore.htm Thanks Sellam! Now if you find me a 360.... :-) Mike http://www.corestore.org

22 years

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Looking for Visual 1050 technical docs

by rich_bramante＠yahoo.com

I have the "standard" docs that ship with this system, but am trying to locate copies of the "programmer's technical guide" and the "maintainence/service manual" for this system (these names might be approximated, but something along those lines). Please drop me a line if you might be able to help. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

22 years

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OT: HVD SCSI card

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

I need an Adaptec AHA2944 (any version) HVD SCSI card for an old SGI (but not 10 years old so no strictly classic). Anybody have one they'd sell for a modest amount, or trade for an AHA2940 (LVD/SE)? I'm also looking for an HVD to LVD (or SE) adapter (usually called a SCSI extender). -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

22 years

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Holy cow...

by vp＠cs.drexel.edu

Well last year I travelled (from the US) to Europe with a suitcase full of de-commissioned computers (incl. a Sun Ultra 1 which filled most of the suitcase) and spare parts (about 5-8 year old stuff). Since I couldn't care less about eproms or other media, I just let it go through the normal checked luggage check. The suitcase was not locked (as per guidelines) and I know they opened it (not in my presence, so I don't really know how much time they spent looking though it), but nobody said anything to me about it, and the suitcase went through without any problems. If you are packing clothing with the equipment (as padding or to save carrying a second suitcase) I would advise you to pack them in transparent plastic bags, so that the checkers can go through them without spilling them all over the floor. Also avoid small unpacked items that can fall off the suitcase during the visual inspection process. Finally remember that the people carrying out the inspection will not use the same care as you in putting everything back in the suitcase, so leave some extra space to accommodate the (less efficient) re-packing. If your suitcase is a jigsaw with everything required to be packed just right for the suitcase to close, then expect to see a mess at your destination. I remember that while I was waiting to check in at the Philadelphia International Airport I could see TSA staff trying to close an opened suitcase. Now that was a royal mess, with clothing sticking out from all sides and the suitcase refusing to come anywhere near to closing. Eventually the just closed the two halves as much as they could and used plastic wrap to keep the insides from spilling over. I bet the owners would freak out, especially if they had clean and ironed clothing **vp

22 years

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VCF UK? (was Re: VCF West hotel)

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Aug 8, 13:52, Vintage Computer Festival wrote: > On Sat, 7 Aug 2004, Dan Williams wrote: > > > Any plans for VCF UK ? > > Eventually. I was speaking with some folks at Bletchly Park a few years > ago but that never went anywhere. > > Perhaps we can try again? I'd be willing to help. I once investigated using facilities at the University, but they charge an awful lot. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

22 years

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Searching for SunOS 4.1.3

by chad＠www.tillmanlaw.com

An acquaintance referred me to this group because he thought someone here could help me out. I am looking for a copy of SunOS 4.1.3, preferably version C. Can anyone assist me in finding a copy for purchase? I have an old Sparc with a program titled SNAP that was written for this particular version of SunOS, but I do not have this version...only Solaris 2.0 and SNAP will not run on it. Thanks for your help! Chad Tillman chad(a)ti-law.com 704-458-2423

22 years

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MITS Teletype Interface Board

by brian＠quarterbyte.com

Hi, For those of you who asked to see the MITS Teletype Interface board I mentioned a couple of days ago, I've put a picture at http://www.ibm1130.org/misc/mits-tty-interface.jpg The molex connector at the bottom left below the relay is where the data cable connects. The other end is a DB25 connector, and the wires go to pins 2-6. Since there is no connection to pin 7 (signal ground) it must be current loop. Brian

22 years

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Xerox Alto Restoration + Emulation (Mike Ross)

by us032560＠mindspring.com

Chandra, Mike, I was delighted to have purchased the Xerox Alto-I >from John and Heather several months ago. I was equally excited when I purchased from John the McMasterUniv/KevinStumpf PDP-15 several years ago. I used/programmed both of these machines long ago at Xerox PARC and Arizona State University, respectively. I invited Chuck Thacker (designer) & Ron Cude over soon after the Alto-I arrived to review the boards and discuss a bring-up strategy. Although I'm progressing very slowly, I've been reforming/checking the caps/power supplies. OK so far. Some day I'll get info up on a web site to share... - Robert p.s. Check out "Dealers of Lightning: Xerox PARC and the Dawn of the Computer Age". A generally accurate technical history of PARC during the 70's/80's. > > Message: 6 > Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2004 13:59:30 +0000 > From: "Mike Ross" <mross666(a)hotmail.com> > Subject: RE: Xerox Alto Restoration + Emulation > To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org > Cc: cbajpai(a)comcast.net > Message-ID: <BAY22-F75yPC0EyQygD00053bbf(a)hotmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed > > Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 23:32:18 -0400 > From: "Chandra Bajpai" <cbajpai(a)comcast.net> > Subject: Xerox Alto Restoration + Emulation > >> Has anyone every heard of these guys.they seem to up in Canada and are >> painstakingly restoring an Xerox Alto I since April 2003. > > <snip> > > That would be the Bordynuiks, Heather & John IIRC. They had a bunch of > stuff > on ebay a while back, bought some pdp-11/20 memory from them. Other > than > that my contact with them has been minimal. > > They own pdp8.com - they had some nice stuff, including a nice pdp-15 > with > drum IIRC. Think Robert Garner has that one now... > > The Alto restoration is one *very* impressive bit of work, they're > serious > hardware engineers - seem to recall they also (according to rumour) had > something to do with Paul Allen and his KL... > > Mike > http://www.corestore.org > > > End of cctech Digest, Vol 12, Issue 4 > ************************************* >

22 years

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Up for auction: Lynx 470 floppy tester

by kyrrin＠bluefeathertech.com

Hi, gang, I've just started an E-pay auction for an item that those of you working on 8" floppy drives (and even the smaller ones) may find useful. It's a Lynx 470 floppy drive exerciser/alignment tester. It's in good shape, complete with a bunch of accessories and carrying case. Bid starts at $10. FWIW, I remember seeing these sets in the catalogs for Specialized Products company in the late 80's. Horribly expensive back then... $1,500+, if I recall correctly. Anyway, pop over to E-pay and do a seller search for bftbell if you're interested. Thanks much. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Owner & Head Hardware Heavy, Blue Feather Technologies -- http://www.bluefeathertech.com kyrrin (at) bluefeathertech do/t c=o=m "If Salvador Dali had owned a computer, would it have been equipped with surreal ports?"

22 years

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Tapes for the 9010

by garybenton＠yahoo.com

Don, I just read a message of yours from two years ago (http://www.classiccmp.org/pipermail/cctech/2002-August/001261.html) and am wondering if you are still looking for tapes for the Fluke 9010. I may have some. Thanks, Gary __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

22 years

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Holy cow...

by Pres＠macro-inc.com

At 08:12 PM 8/6/2004, you wrote: >As for it being BS, I disagree. I would rather have things safer than >welcome another attack on US soil because things weren't being checked. Sorry, it is BS. If we wanted to make things safer, we'd let citizens with concealed weapons permits carry guns on planes. Ed

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Apple Lisa Power Supply Repair

by nick＠computer-history.org

Hello, Does anyone out there have any words of wisdom for someone looking into repairing an Apple Lisa power supply? I have 3 power supplies, 2x 1.2A and 1x 1.8A, and each has its own set of issues. One is just plain dead, the safety switch engages OK but nothing powers up. Another one, the 1.8A unit, pops the GFI on the circuit as soon as it is plugged in. The third one makes a chirping sound when the power switch is pressed. The chirping continues as long as the switch is pressed. The PS that trips the GFI was working fine about a year ago but seems to have some issues now. Each power supply was tested in two different working Apple Lisas. Each has been opened up and each looks fine, no noticeable damage, scorches, ect. If anyone has had similar problems I would be interested in any solutions you came up with. Thanks, Nick

22 years

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Does anyone collect old Modems?

by transit＠lerctr.org

I have a bunch of 1200 and 2400's lying around, if anyone's interested (I might take them up to VCF and try to sell them there....)

22 years

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Gaps in the collection (was Re: rarest computers. )

by msokolov＠ivan.Harhan.ORG

Rick Bensene <rickb(a)bensene.com> wrote: > Teletype ASR-33 or ASR-35: Maybe someday. What's the difference between ASR-33 and ASR-35? I've also heard of a Teletype 37, what is that one? MS

22 years

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Foam pads for keytronics keyboards ? (& SOL-20 with Helios for sale)

by Watzman＠neo.rr.com

This will seem like a digression, but it's not. I have a SOL & Helios pair on E-Bay right now (if you are interested, hurry, it ends tomorrow): http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=5112120888 If you read the auction, I discuss the keyboard issue at length and in the set of 12 photos for the auction I even took a photo of a keyboard being rebuilt. I'm surprised that no one asked me where I got the foam pads. Anyway, they came from: Mike Stephens Mil-Key Corp. m-corp(a)qwest.net You can buy a new PC (cordless) keyboard for what it will cost you to rework a SOL keyboard (or any other Keytronic keyboard using these pads), but as far as I know it's the only source. HE SAYS THAT WHEN THE CURRENT SUPPLY IS GONE, THERE WILL BE NO MORE, ****EVER****. AND HE SAYS THAT IT'S ALMOST GONE. You can see a photo of the pads in the SOL auction above. They are different from (and, I'm hoping, superior to) both the original pads and the later ones used in the Sun keyboards.

22 years

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rarest computers

by henk.stegeman＠shell.com

Hi all, How about this one... Build it myself, so I know for sure only ONE exists of it on the globe. See: http://www.siconic.com/crap/henk/ Regards Henk Stegeman

22 years

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Some DEC freebies

by oliv555＠arrl.net

All of this stuff is going to Goodwill on Monday, so, if you are in the Houston area .... Alpha XL366 +kbd+mouse VT320 +manual VT420 +manual (3) LK401 (1) LK201 TZ86 tape drive Carton of misc DEC Docs+manuals Carton of (mostly) DEC branded cables (4) DEC cdrom+tape drives External DEC RRD42 ......... no shipping! -nick 0

22 years

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Teac floppy replacement

by RCini＠congressfinancial.com

Thanks for the info. I guess for this test I have to find a replacement high-denisty drive. The drives in the unit are, apparently, high-density drives but the disks are 360k disks made with another working system. -----Original Message----- From: Don Maslin [mailto:donm@cts.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 12:41 AM To: rcini(a)optonline.net; General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Re: Teac floppy replacement On Tue, 3 Aug 2004, Richard A. Cini wrote: > Hello, all: > > I'm trying to get my "new" Micromint SB180 to work with > the floppy drives > that came with it. I've been given two sets of disks, both of which were > made on a known-working system but which produce read errors on mine. > > The drives pass the internal disgnostics that are in the > SB180 ROM, but I > want to eliminate the drive from the problem by swapping another in. It > appears to use standard 5.25" 1/2-height PC drives except that the "old" > drive has a head-load solenoid while the new one doesn't. > > The model number of the "old" drive is FD55F-03-U and the > model number of > the "new" drive is FD55BV-36-U. There are differences in the jumper > designations between the models so I can't readily map the settings. > > Can anyone help with this? Thanks. Rich, the 55F is a 96tpi drive while the 55BV is 48tpi. That difference is likely the cause of your problem. - don > > Rich Cini > Collector of classic computers > Build Master for the Altair32 Emulation Project > Web site: http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/classiccmp/ > /************************************************************/ > > >

22 years

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Introduction to Decysytem-20 Assembly Language Programming

by stephane.tsacas＠gmail.com

Someone interested by the book : Introduction to Decysytem-20 Assembly Language Programming, Ralph E Gorin, 1981. email me. Thanks Stephane

22 years

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GRiD Compass II 1137

by JMeyer101＠aol.com

I picked up the Grid with no documentation. The device boots up and lets me choose an OS (either MS-DOS 2.11 with BIOS Version C or Version 134.1.4 GRiD-OS / Version 31.0.0 of Common Code). If I boot into MS-DOS, I get an A: prompt. If I do a "dir" command, it brings up 3 files but that's it. If I boot into the GRiD-OS, I can get to some menus, but then it needs a password to continue. Does anyone know a hack to bypass the password? Or does anyone have access to the GRiD-OS software so I can reinstall? I would like to get this thing working but it is very difficult to find any information. Any ideas? Thanks, Jeff

22 years

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rarest computers

by dwight.elvey＠amd.com

Hi OK, I do have one that is going to be an unusual one that is significant in its insignificance. It is a SDK development machine for Intel's 2920 ( not to be confused with AMD's 2920 of the 2900 family of parts ). This was Intel's only attempt at the DSP market. It is only unique in that it is rare enough that few even know it existed. It was a time when Intel chose it's direction to be a mostly X86 processor company and began to leave the side markets alone ( for good or bad ). There may be others out there but I've not seen any. Dwight

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FA: Parsytec Xplorer Transputer Workstation - 16 T805-30MHz transputers with 4MB for each processor

by rmeenaks＠olf.com

Hi, Parsytec Xplorer Parallel Transputer Workstation on ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=5114739591&ssPageNam e=STRK:MESE:IT This is actually one of my auctions... Cheers, Ram

22 years

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contact lube

by jack.rubin＠ameritech.net

While watching me struggle with the cards in my OSI C4P, someone at VCF East (I can't remember who, sorry if it was you) suggested a product (I can't remember what, I was a bit distracted) that they used to clean and lubricate contacts. I just did a little googling and there seem to be two "major" products: Stabilant 22 and DeoxIT. Anyone care to share their experiences with either of these or make another recommendation? Thanks, Bill ********************************* Hey Bill, That was me - while DeoxIT is great for cleaning contacts, the lube I told you about is Nygel - check out www.nyelubricants.com - which is more like the Dow silicone that Dwight mentioned. It's especially good on the pin-type connectors used for the SS-50/30 buses, OSI, etc. as well as Heathkit H8 and H89. You could even use DeoxIT first to clean the contacts. You won't believe the difference after you've applied an appropriate lube. best, Jack

22 years

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IBM 5100

by aek＠spies.com

http://www.johntitor.com/ for more than you want to know about this loon.

22 years

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Contact cleaner/lubricant?

by wh.sudbrink＠verizon.net

While watching me struggle with the cards in my OSI C4P, someone at VCF East (I can't remember who, sorry if it was you) suggested a product (I can't remember what, I was a bit distracted) that they used to clean and lubricate contacts. I just did a little googling and there seem to be two "major" products: Stabilant 22 and DeoxIT. Anyone care to share their experiences with either of these or make another recommendation? Thanks, Bill

22 years

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Holy cow...

by melamy＠earthlink.net

my job takes me a lot of different places. Two years ago, yes, TSA was not as organized or as efficient as today. They are doing a necessary job to keep planes flying and people going where they want to go. Due to the fact that I worked for TSA two years ago, I am very familiar with what they have gone through. Now, all you do is check your bags in and they open them only if their MRI machine spots something with enough mass to potentially be a problem. They don't make you wait in line much longer now than you did before TSA was there. Passenger screening is also very efficient at most large airports anyway. They started with the notes inside when they quit having you stand in front of them while they checked your bags. I haven't been through any in the last year that did it the old way. As for it being BS, I disagree. I would rather have things safer than welcome another attack on US soil because things weren't being checked. best regards, Steve Thatcher -----Original Message----- From: "Joe R." <rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com> Sent: Aug 6, 2004 7:02 PM To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Subject: Re: Holy cow... At 02:14 PM 8/6/04 -0700, you wrote: >On Fri, 6 Aug 2004, Joe R. wrote: > >> >You know when your bag was checked because the TSA puts a form in your bag >> >saying they did. >> >> I beg to differ. I sat in Kansas City airport two years ago and spent >> abut 3 or 4 hours with the security people and watched as they opened >> numerous bags and I didn't see them put a sticker on ANY of them. Even when >> flying and reclaiming baggage I've never seen one of those stickers. > >Have you flown recently? No and I have no intentions of flying as long as this crap continues. I have a very low treshold for BS! So don't expect to see me at VCF or anywhere else if it involves flying. Joe

22 years

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Holy cow... Concealed weapons

by Pres＠macro-inc.com

At 02:51 PM 8/7/2004, you wrote: >der Mouse, you obviously know nothing about what it takes to get a >concealed weapons permit in the US. I have a concealed weapons permit and >I also have done practical pistol shooting. I would not want untrained >individuals putting my life at risk. Having a permit in the US does not >require training or anything but the money and no criminal record. I did >my training at different opportunities in my life and without any >requirement to do so. South Carolina requires training and has a written test and a shooting test that people must pass before receiving a concealed weapon permit. Most other states have training requirements also. But, none of them are very arduous and yes many states don' t have training requirements at all as you say. But it really doesn't seem to matter. The majority of people in the USA live in areas where good citizens can and do legally carry concealed firearms, even in places that serve alcohol. And innocent people are just *not* being hurt by people with a concealed weapon permit -- training or no training. You're more likely to be hurt by a PC or an iPod (woman in Tennessee killed her boyfriend with an iPod) http://www.liquidgeneration.com/rumormill/ipod_killing.html or by a police officer or government storm trooper than a citizen legally carrying a concealed weapon. You don't even *need* a permit to have a loaded handgun in your car in South Carolina, Georgia, Flordia, North Carolina and Virigina. Yet people aren't having shootouts in parking lots or on the highways. Just the occasional rapist or carjacker being blown away is all you hear about. I don't know what training people would think necessary to carry on an airliner, but I'd be happy with anyone who could shoot a decent score on an IPSC or IDPA classifier stage. http://www.ipsc.org/ics/short/CLC-01.jpg But training or not, Glaser Safety Slugs or not, I'd much rather be on a flight where people with concealed weapons permits could carry than one that could be splashed by some highly trained F16 pilot because some bureaucrat, worried about "training" (read CYA), denied me the means of effective self defense. Until they start asking, "Carrying or Non-Carrying?", I'm like Joe, if I can't drive, I likely won't go. Ed

22 years

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Apollos

by aek＠spies.com

> Anyone interested in some Apollos? -- yes, esp the manual wall you have in the basement.

22 years

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Holy cow...

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

At 12:33 PM 8/7/04 -0400, Steve wrote: >the last thing I would want is some average guy with a concealed weapons permit having a gun on board... getting a permit is too easy and without proper training would be more dangerous than safe. Personally, I'd take my chances with a CWP holder over a hijacker ANYTIME! Joe

22 years

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VCF Security

by swtpc6800＠comcast.net

I am considering having an exhibit at the next Vintage Computer Festival (7.0). I was wondering what the security is like for the exhibits. Do you need to packup up each night? I would like to here comment from those who were there (Computer History Museum) last year. Michael Holley www.swtpc.com/mholley

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Holy cow...

by melamy＠earthlink.net

as I said, you can intrepret things in any way you choose and you certainly did with no personal knowledge of facts. You took words, created your own meaning of what I was saying just so you can say you are right - amazing. end of thread... -----Original Message----- From: der Mouse <mouse(a)rodents.montreal.qc.ca> Sent: Aug 7, 2004 3:17 PM To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: Holy cow... > der Mouse, you obviously know nothing about what it takes to get a > concealed weapons permit in the US. I didn't, no; nor did I need to, since my response was based on your reaction, and thus your perception, rather than whatever the reality behind it was. > I would not want untrained individuals putting my life at risk. > Having a permit in the US does not require training or anything but > the money and no criminal record. Sounds as though I was right, that your issue is with concealed-carry permits themselves rather than with whether people with them are allowed to have their weapons with them on aircraft. Or do you think that a weapon in the hands of an untrained person is somehow not dangerous anywhere but on an aircraft? /~\ The ASCII der Mouse \ / Ribbon Campaign X Against HTML mouse(a)rodents.montreal.qc.ca / \ Email! 7D C8 61 52 5D E7 2D 39 4E F1 31 3E E8 B3 27 4B

22 years

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Apollo Domain Aegis SR 9.7.1 lives, huge Y2K bug!

by bshannon＠tiac.net

While cleaning out the workshop, I decided to plug in a few old Apollo workstations. I was eventually able to get one machine (DN4500?) to boot into the Display Manager. The major trick was, I had to set the calendar date back prior to Y2K, otherwise the DM program would crash with an 'unable_to_map' error message. The Fuji SMD drive on my DN660 spun right up, and the 660 appeared to boot, but I have a minor video cable problem that prevented me from seeing the action (other than on the disk controller status leds). Anyone interested in some Apollos?

22 years

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Holy cow...

by melamy＠earthlink.net

der Mouse, you obviously know nothing about what it takes to get a concealed weapons permit in the US. I have a concealed weapons permit and I also have done practical pistol shooting. I would not want untrained individuals putting my life at risk. Having a permit in the US does not require training or anything but the money and no criminal record. I did my training at different opportunities in my life and without any requirement to do so. With reagrds to before 9/11 and after, the paradigm shift is a fact and has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not people are allowed to carry weapons on a plane. People would have risen up and brought those first plaines down if they had a clue that the planes were going to be used as weapons and they were dead already so to speak. You can take my views however you want to in any way you care to. It wasn't your country that was attacked and left thousands dead. You have already pointed out what you think of America and its people in one of your earlier emails -----Original Message----- From: der Mouse <mouse(a)rodents.montreal.qc.ca> Sent: Aug 7, 2004 12:39 PM To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: Holy cow... Sounds to me as though your issue is with getting concealed-carry permits rather than with having people on board who are, almost by definition, trusted with concealed weapons. It sounds to me as though this is more an argument to scrap the whole idea of keeping weapons out of the hands of airline passengers (at least while they are on the plane).

22 years

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Holy cow...

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Aug 7, 11:56, Ed Kelleher wrote: > At 08:12 PM 8/6/2004, you wrote: > >As for it being BS, I disagree. I would rather have things safer than > >welcome another attack on US soil because things weren't being checked. > > Sorry, it is BS. If we wanted to make things safer, we'd let citizens with > concealed weapons permits carry guns on planes. Not without some suitable training and glaser safety ammunition. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

22 years

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rarest computers. was: RE: Xerox Alto Restoration + Emulation

by Adrian＠beovax.co.uk

> -----Original Message----- > From: cctalk-bounces(a)classiccmp.org > [mailto:cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of John Honniball > Sent: 03 August 2004 18:32 > To: General(a)encke.easily.co.uk; > Discussion@encke.easily.co.uk:On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > Subject: Re: rarest computers. was: RE: Xerox Alto > Restoration + Emulation > > > Jules Richardson wrote: > > Apple /// (possibly lots worldwide; there don't seem to be many > > people this side of the pond who have seen one though) > > I have one! It came with the ProFile external hard disk, and > a box of expansion cards, too. I rather like the two-click > cursor keys, where you can press harder on the key to make > the auto-repeat go faster. And I like the big holes in the > expansion cards to help you to lever them out with a > screwdriver. The whole of the machine chassis is one big > diecasting and acts as a heatsink. Yeah. I ended up with 2, one for spares, and it was a good job since I was crashed into bringing it home and it ended up with a mashed keyboard. Must get round to fixing it one of these days. I've also not managed to get my spare profile working with the other working machine yet, but it's 250 miles away and low priority :) Cheers -- adrian/witchy owner & curator, Binary Dinosaurs - the UK's biggest online home computer collection? www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk - the Museum www.snakebiteandblack.co.uk - former gothic shenanigans www.aaghverts.co.uk - the place to whinge at adverts!

22 years

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Holy cow...

by melamy＠earthlink.net

the last thing I would want is some average guy with a concealed weapons permit having a gun on board... getting a permit is too easy and without proper training would be more dangerous than safe. 9/11 was a paridigm shift from hijacking being a "take me where I want to go scenario" to guaranteed death. I would believe that any passenger jet that was taken over by any means would not succeed now because of what passengers would do rather than sitting back and waiting. Those days are gone. We all have different levels of tolerance, Some of the stuff is BS with regards to what coould be considered a weapon or even that 80 year old people were searched as possibilities. In my opinion, it is not all BS. What the puiblic hears about is a fraction of what goes on. What we do hear about, we have the giovernment and media all spinning the stuff in different directions. Steve -----Original Message----- From: Ed Kelleher <Pres(a)macro-inc.com> Sent: Aug 7, 2004 11:56 AM To: Steve Thatcher <melamy(a)earthlink.net>, "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Subject: Re: Holy cow... At 08:12 PM 8/6/2004, you wrote: >As for it being BS, I disagree. I would rather have things safer than >welcome another attack on US soil because things weren't being checked. Sorry, it is BS. If we wanted to make things safer, we'd let citizens with concealed weapons permits carry guns on planes. Ed

22 years

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MXV22

by aek＠spies.com

I forget who, but someone was just looking for a qbus RX02 controller http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=4193&item=5114514960 They work very well, and can format RX02s

22 years

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Holy cow...

by evan947＠yahoo.com

I just heard the very end of a TV news report, where they said some airport terminal was shut down for hours today due to a bomb scare. They described the potential bomb as a small, odd-looking box with wires and various electrical parts. Then they said "It turned out to be an antique microphone." Which makes me wonder... has anyone here ever had a problem explaining vintage computers to airport security? When I flew out to VCF last fall I proactively told the security officer that my bag contained vintage calculators and handheld computers, in case it looked odd to her in the X-Ray machine, but she looked at me with an expression of "Why the heck do you think I'd care?" LOL, however that may be more of a comment on how poor the airport security hiring rules are. I'd like to hear some feedback, however, please let's NOT turn this into a rambling thread about politics or any similar B.S....

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Holy cow...

by zmerch＠30below.com

Rumor has it that David V. Corbin may have mentioned these words: > >eyeglass screwdrivers and even nail files were taken off the list later >last year. > >I'm glad to hear that. But they shouldn't have > >Just after 9/11, my son daughter-in-lay... ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I gotta ask: Typo, Freudian slip or exact description of the situation? :-O ;^> >[snip]...After they got home by son >realized he had a swiss army knife in an inner coat pocket [a letal weapon >compared to a baby's fork!] that was noit detected by the same guard at the >same time. Admittedly, I haven't flown since 9/11, but I flew just before that, and airport security had no problem with my leatherman. I removed it where you "remove all metallic objects" right with my belt, they asked me what it was, I said "Pliers." No problem... 2 knife blades, a saw blade that could easily rip off a finger (or jugular) or just adding weight to my punch to give it more "punch." ;-) <RANT> At least for the US, what we need for "Midflight Security" is a revival of the "minuteman" concept for flying. There should be a *totally volunteer* photo ID system of anyone willing to lay down their life in defense of the country[1], and they get to walk on with any type and quantity of non-projectile weapon(s) of their choice. "But what happens when a bad apple gets a card and tries to use it" you ask? 10 "Good apples" could easily subdue the bad one, and said "bad apple" is tried & convicted of treason and hanged[2][3]. Despite the fact that I'm old and fat, if I have my leatherman on me and know that there's a darned good chance 5 more people have similar, I'd go up against a couple of bastards with boxcutters... </RANT> Laterz, Roger "Merch" Merchberger [1] World, for that matter... [2] Or shot... I could live with shot... ;-) [3] Assuming he survives... Attempting to hijack a plane with a bunch of good guys with knives on board could prove fatal... -- Roger "Merch" Merchberger | "Bugs of a feather flock together." sysadmin, Iceberg Computers | Russell Nelson zmerch(a)30below.com |

22 years

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Holy cow...

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

At 08:59 PM 8/6/04 -0400, Steve wrote: >eyeglass screwdrivers and even nail files were taken off the list later last year. I'm glad to hear that. But they shouldn't have been on the list to begin with! That's one of my points, airport security is nothing but a show to make the public think the government is actually doing somehting about security. But all too much of it is meaningless and useless measures such as this. Eyeglass screwderivers and nail files have never been a threat to an airliner that I know of! BTW metal toothpicks ARE still on the list of "weapons". Can you tell me exactly how many airliners have been hijacked with a toothpick? > The people that are there are doing their job and are not given the ability to make decisions and exceptions on their own. People making >exceptions and doing their own security thing on 9/11 resulted in thousands of dead people. WRONG! The airport security people did exactly what they were supposed to do according to the rules at that time. The 9/11 commishion found where many mistakes were made, particularly in the intelligence area but to my knowledge they found no procedural errors in what security did. They actually found that some security people were suspious of the hijackers but allowed them to board the planes because they were NOT allowed to use their own judgement and had to follow fixed idiocic rules. > >Sure, the borders need to be protected better, but at least a person running into the side of a building will only give the person a headache. Wait a minute! What's this crap about running into buildings? Why don't you stay on topic? A number of the 9/11 hijackers came over from Canada the day before they hijacked the airliners on 9/11 yet you dismiss border security my merely saying that the borders need to be better protected and then jump to some totally irrelevent rambling about people running into buildings. Our borders should be our first line of defense against terrorism but they're wide open to even the most illiterate Mexican peasant to simply walk across. It's a good thing that Alqueda doesn't wise up and simply walk in 10,000 or so terrorists across the Canadian or Mexican borders. >Of course, I would suppsoe that he would sue the buiding manufacturer and win because there is no sign warning someone of getting hurt if they >do that... > >As for missing badges, most security systems require the badge and an ID code to enter, so just having a badge doesn't help much unless security is already lax at the airport. People are to badge in, enter their code, and then close the door so the next person does the same procedure. That's another thing that found, people letting other people through the doors and in some cases blocking them open and leaving them standing wide open for anybody that came along. In addition, they've found that there are 100s of missing airlines uniforms and a whole hosts of other security problems. They've also found a high number of convicted felons working there because the airports were lax about getting background checks. Like I said, hardly a week goes by with some new revalation about problems at the airports. > >If Miami is ruuning that badly then there is a good problem to start with. Miami running badly is an understatement! It's been that way for a LONG time and for some reason they can't seem to straighten it out. Too many airport operators looking to pince pennies, minoritie rights, unions, underpaid employees and other specail interest I suppose but that still doesn't excuse the smoke and mirrors approach to security that the government is using. Inspecting every airline passenger three and four times before he gets on a plane isn't going to do much good when you have drug addicts, ex-criminals and thieves working in the ground crews and wide open access for nearly anyone that wants to get on or to an aircraft while it's sitting on the ground. Joe > >Steve >

22 years

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Holy cow...

by melamy＠earthlink.net

eyeglass screwdrivers and even nail files were taken off the list later last year. The people that are there are doing their job and are not given the ability to make decisions and exceptions on their own. People making exceptions and doing their own security thing on 9/11 resulted in thousands of dead people. Sure, the borders need to be protected better, but at least a person running into the side of a building will only give the person a headache. Of course, I would suppsoe that he would sue the buiding manufacturer and win because there is no sign warning someone of getting hurt if they do that... As for missing badges, most security systems require the badge and an ID code to enter, so just having a badge doesn't help much unless security is already lax at the airport. People are to badge in, enter their code, and then close the door so the next person does the same procedure. If Miami is ruuning that badly then there is a good problem to start with. Steve

22 years

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OT-ish: What's the HP9000 K Class K570 server equivalent to?

by vcf＠siconic.com

I just got an HP9000 K Class K570 server. It's got dual 200Mhz PA-RISC processors and 1GB RAM, plus some arsenal of hard drives. I've never worked with HP PA-RISC machines before. What's this equivalent to in terms of Intel processor power? -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ]

22 years

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DSSI CABLES / TERMS

by waltje＠pdp11.nl

Hi all, Sorry for barging in like this. I still have a DSSI cable plus 7 DSSI terminators in my trunk. One list member needed 3 terms, another needed a cable and 4 terms. Can these people please contact me off-list with their shipping info, so I can unload them from my poor, overloaded car? Now, back to our regular silence, Fred

22 years

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Who has Zilog System 8000/32

by vax3900＠yahoo.com

which uses AT&T WE32100 CPU? I have a small gift for you if you have such a system. vax, 3900 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

22 years

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what is the value

by dwight.elvey＠amd.com

Hi I know someone that has a 11/45. I've been thinking of making an offer on it but have no idea what people consider the going rate for such a machine. Does anyone have any idea? I don't want to insult him but then I don't want to pay way beyond what I could get one elsewhere. Dwight

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Furguson BigBoard...

by bshannon＠tiac.net

Some time back, someone (Tom?) got a Furguson BigBoard from me in a trade. I've found a little documentation and the distribution CP/M disk. I'd like to send this stuff off to the board's new owner. (was this part of the Imlac deal maybe???)

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Holy cow...

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Aug 6, 8:32, Joe R. wrote: > I went to a HP Calculator conference in England about 6 or 7 years ago > (pre-9/11) and I carried a LOT of calculators, parts, accessories and tools > with me. I was very concerned about going through security and customs but > had almost no trouble. I've not had any trouble recently, but here are three instances from the past. I used to fly regularly from Edinburgh to Belfast in Northern Ireland, or to London. On one occasion I was taking a pre-production Acorn Archimedes to demo in Belfast, but since I was flying I didn't take the monitor. Needless to say, that was the time security (actually, Special Branch) asked if they could see it working to prove it was a computer (didn't look quite like a PC), and eventually I had to dismantle it to persuade them. Once (late 1980s) I was travelling to Belfast with just a briefcase and small shoulder bag; in the shoulder bag was my toilet bag, spare shirt, socks, etc. In the toilet bag was the usual toothbrush, etc and a teaspoon and a small scalpel. The young lady operating the security scanner took about a 5 millisecond glance at the blurry image and said would I "mind leaving the scalpel behind, please." We compromised -- she kept the (detachable) blade. Last one: travelling from London back to Edinburgh I arrived with just a few moments to spare, only to be stopped by security who spotted my small toolcase in my bag. All the tools were OK, though they insisted on pulling most of them out, but they took everything out of the small side pocket until they found a small ziplock bag containing the rather grubby damp sponge for my soldering iron. "Would you mind telling me what this substance is, sir?" -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Gaps in the collection

by lists＠microvax.org

> > I would kill for a VAX 6000 in the UK. Mmmmm... *dribble* > > :D I walk past a 6000-410 every time I go upstairs here, and there's a > 7000 just round the corner in stores. They're both backup machines for a > customer though so you can't have 'em. Bastard. Dibs! ;) > > I'm still a student though, so i've not got a permanent base > > to keep one at. And I thought a uV-II in a BA123 was a > > bastard to heft around every end-of-academic-year... > > BA23 is the way forward, though still bloody heavy. I was just chatting to Greg this morning about swapping my worldbox for a BA23. Sad to see it go because it's so pretty and noisy, but I can rack a BA23 and get some work out of it. alex/melt

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Holy cow...

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

At 08:12 PM 8/6/04 -0400, you wrote: >my job takes me a lot of different places. Two years ago, yes, TSA was not as organized or as efficient as today. They are doing a necessary job to keep planes flying and people going where they want to go. Due to the fact that I worked for TSA two years ago, I am very familiar with what they have gone through. Now, all you do is check your bags in and they open them only if their MRI machine spots something with enough mass to potentially be a problem. They don't make you wait in line much longer now than you did before TSA was there. Passenger screening is also very efficient at most large airports anyway. They started with the notes inside when they quit having you stand in front of them while they checked your bags. I haven't been through any in the last year that did it the old way. > >As for it being BS, I disagree. I would rather have things safer than welcome another attack on US soil because things weren't being checked. It is BS when 10 million illegal Mexicans and others can simply walk across the border and enter (and stay) the US. And lets not even get into how many TONs of drugs are shipped into the US everyday. I live near one of the busiest airports in the US (OIA) and there's hardly a week goes by that I don't hear of a bust at OIA or Miami or some other majot airport where baggage handlers are smuggling in TONS of illlegal drugs, weapons, animals and other material. A recent check at OIA revealed that there were several HUNDRED badges missing that would allow anyone with one of them to get into the secure areas of the airport. INS recently raided Miami airport and arrested allmost 50 baggage handlers that were illegal aliens yet they still had access to secure areas of the airport. I could go on and on but my point is that the passengers being screened and harassed over and over but there are PLENTY of other areas in the airports, ports and borders of this country where security is non-existant! If 10+ million mexicans can walk across the border don't you think 10 terrorists can do the same thing? Security is one thing but mindless, pointless inspections and taking away things like eye glass screwdrivers is something else altogether. Joe > >best regards, Steve Thatcher > >-----Original Message----- >From: "Joe R." <rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com> >Sent: Aug 6, 2004 7:02 PM >To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> >Subject: Re: Holy cow... > >At 02:14 PM 8/6/04 -0700, you wrote: >>On Fri, 6 Aug 2004, Joe R. wrote: >> >>> >You know when your bag was checked because the TSA puts a form in your bag >>> >saying they did. >>> >>> I beg to differ. I sat in Kansas City airport two years ago and spent >>> abut 3 or 4 hours with the security people and watched as they opened >>> numerous bags and I didn't see them put a sticker on ANY of them. Even when >>> flying and reclaiming baggage I've never seen one of those stickers. >> >>Have you flown recently? > > No and I have no intentions of flying as long as this crap continues. I >have a very low treshold for BS! So don't expect to see me at VCF or >anywhere else if it involves flying. > > Joe > > >

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PS / RE: VCF West hotel

by evan947＠yahoo.com

Do NOT stay at the Pacific Lodge Hotel. That's also right on El Camino. I had my original reservation there last year, and left after the first night because it was a total dive.

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Free hardware to a good home.

by steve＠wren.vt220.org

Here's a bunch of stuff I have to get rid of. I really hope there's a good home out there for the somewhat rare Sparc I have, I think it's a pretty one-of-a-kind device. - A portable Sparc I have that was custom manufactured for the US military. Built to mil-spec, it comes in an imposing grey briefcase. Somewhat portable, has a battery backup that seems to consist of 22 NiCad AA batteries. Has a mysterious IC slot on the bottom with no chip in it that is not part of the original Sparc hardware it's based off of. 64mb RAM, it's an IPX under the hood. Has no disk, and the disk enclosure uses some kind of proprietary connector that you might be able to get to work with a normal SCSI drive. It has all sorts of cool features like an airtight enclosure and a depressurization valve for lugging it through the desert and changes in altitude. Last time I powered it on it worked fine and was able to netboot SunOS 4.1.4. - Two C64s + drives, an apple 2c, mac plus (4mb RAM), apple imagewriter dot matrix printer with about a 50 yr supply of ink cartridges and refill kits. - A real VT220 with a dodgy power button that could probably be fixed easily. - A miscellaneous assortment of external SCSI enclosures. All this (or part of this) can be yours for S&H. I'm not part of this mailing list so please e-mail me privately. Steve.

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Who has Zilog System 8000/32

by vax3900＠yahoo.com

which uses AT&T WE32100 CPU? I have a small gift for you if you have such a system. vax, 3900 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

22 years

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vcf west advice

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

I was toying with going to vcf west in october. Is San Jose the closest convenient airport to fly into? Also, can someone recommend a cheap hotel close to the venue? Jay West --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus]

22 years

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Here's a #1 tip on cleaning computers

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

Rescued a complete Atari Mega 2 from work that was getting thrown out. It was quite dirty being on a mailroom production floor. Anyway, my wife told me about these Mr Clean magic eraser things and they do the best job with cleaning just about anything. It got this Atari nice and clean, sun damage notwithstanding. These eraser things clean off china marker, smoke stains, dirty fingerprints, grease, permanent marker, and just plain dirt. They work perfectly on textured surfaces like plastic computers and car interiors and has not harmed anything I have used it on. I don't know how it works since it's a sponge of some sort, but give it a try. Better than any spray cleaning product I've ever used.

22 years

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STD Bus boards anyone?

by anheier＠owt.com

I have the follow STD boards with user manuals. These are spare boards >from a system and are in excellent shape. I am looking for $15 each or $40 for all plus shipping. 1. Pro-log model 7606 parallel I/O care 2. Enlode Inc. Model 200-1 realtime clock and prog. interrupt gen. 3. Datricon, model ANA10 analog I/O card 4. Cubit, model 7040 CRT controller (two styles of boards) thanks Norm

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cctalk Digest, Vol 12, Issue 18

by mtapley＠swri.edu

At 11:35 -0500 8/6/04, jhfinexgs2(a)compsys.to wrote: < ...compsys.to ?? cool, is Toronto its own nation now, or what? >Can anyone comment as to what level of ID is helpful, in addition >to a Passport and Driver's License, both with picture ID? Is >company ID helpful as well when electronic stuff is carried? Southwest Research Institute periodically has engineers transporting spacecraft power boxes, compute boxes, and scientific instruments. We cause minor headaches at security because many of these are contamination sensitive and want to stay inside of their dry-nitrogen-backfilled sealed ESD bags. The engineers carry drivers' licenses and passports (where applicable) and letters on SwRI or NASA letterhead and a contact number at SwRI for security to call and verify they are who they say they are. YMMV, but we have rarely if ever had problems. But then, we all look like geeks anyway (Mike Gemeny, you can confirm this with your brother :-) ). We do call security in advance, but since there's usually a shift change before we arrive, I think it rarely makes any difference. >How do security people get through security? >Or maybe I should not even be asking that question? Can't help with that. -- - Mark 210-522-6025, page 888-733-0967

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VCF 7.0 Date Changed to November 6-7

by vcf＠siconic.com

The date for VCF 7.0 has been changed to November 6-7. A more formal announcement is forthcoming. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ]

22 years

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rarest computers

by Adrian＠beovax.co.uk

> -----Original Message----- > From: cctalk-bounces(a)classiccmp.org > [mailto:cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Vintage > Computer Festival > Sent: 05 August 2004 20:21 > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > Subject: RE: rarest computers > > On display until late October: > http://www.kahaku.go.jp/english/ I couldn't see anything about computer dinosaurs there, just dinosaur bones :) Cheers w

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Dell comercial

by kenziem＠sympatico.ca

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Can anyone identify the classic computers in the new Dell commercial? It has a tech duct taping a bunch of old machines to keep them running longer. - -- Collector of vintage computers http://www.ncf.ca/~ba600 Looking for: PICMG, Nabu CP/M disks Open Source Weekend http://www.osw.ca -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBEvq/LPrIaE/xBZARAgm+AJ4wfP7zCsF/7/wx/7giJaWPs35ffQCeOOxQ NzWjEEfOPnGud3r9yvH88kA= =JTMS -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Gaps in the collection

by lists＠microvax.org

> > > 7000 just round the corner in stores. They're both backup > > machines for > > > a customer though so you can't have 'em. > > > > Bastard. Dibs! ;) > > You're in the queue after me :) I know, but I would just like it known in case something... mysterious happens to you ;) > > I was just chatting to Greg this morning about swapping my > > worldbox for a BA23. Sad to see it go because it's so pretty > > and noisy, but I can rack a BA23 and get some work out of it. > > Why not get one of the VAXstations he got from Jules? Do you have a > requirement for a QBUS box or summat? Yes, i'd like to transplant the fully-functioning guts of the MicroVAX-II in the BA123 into something a bit smaller. I've got various MicroVAX3100s around doing jobs too. Variety, man! alex/melt

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Gaps in the collection

by lists＠microvax.org

> > > > > 7000 just round the corner in stores. They're both backup > > > > machines for a customer though so you can't have 'em. > > > > > > > > Bastard. Dibs! ;) > > > > > > You're in the queue after me :) > > > > I know, but I would just like it known in case something... mysterious happens to you ;) > > For a small fee I could lock him up in D Block at Bletchley this > weekend... :-) *paypal sent* alex/melt

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Vintage computers in Towering Inferno?

by vcf＠siconic.com

I just saw a snippet of the movie "The Towering Inferno" where they were in a security control room and there was a panel in the background with a grid of large rectangular lamps all blinking like mad. Was this a real computer? If so, what was it? If no one can answer, I'll just get the movie in my next Netflix batch and suffer through it to check. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ]

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CHM gripe (was: rarest computers)

by evan947＠yahoo.com

Many things went to Boston's Science Museum as well. > What became of the Boston Computer Museum, anyway? And what happened to > their collection, such as it was? It moved to the west coast and became the Computer History Museum. --

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Trying to remember a machine

by jcwren＠jcwren.com

I'm trying to recall the name of a machine made back in the 80's, I think. I'm pretty sure it was 68000 based, had 2 1/2 or 1/3 height 8" floppies stacked, was as wide as the floppy drives, about 8" tall (guessing), and maybe 6" to 8" deeper than the floppy drives. I was thinking it was a Sage II or Sage IV, but those all had side-by-side 5.25" drives. I'm not positive, but I think this was a Pascal P-machine, or at least was in it's native configuration, if it was 68000. Anyone remember what I'm trying to think of? --jc

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MITS Teletype Interface Board

by dwight.elvey＠amd.com

Hi It doesn't look like it has enough on it to be a RS-232 converter but it could be a 20 to 60 mil converter. You might look at the circuit layout around the thansistors labeled Q1 to Q4. Tracing this part out will most likely figure out what the intent is. It looks like it does replace some of the power supply sections of a ASR33 so that would explain the look of a power supply. You can power the unit up and look at the voltages on the DB25. I tend to agree that missing both pin 1 and pin 7 would indicate that it wasn't a RS232. Dwight >From: "Brian Knittel" <brian(a)quarterbyte.com> > >Hi, > >For those of you who asked to see the MITS >Teletype Interface board I mentioned a couple >of days ago, I've put a picture at >http://www.ibm1130.org/misc/mits-tty-interface.jpg > >The molex connector at the bottom left below the relay >is where the data cable connects. The other end is >a DB25 connector, and the wires go to pins 2-6. Since >there is no connection to pin 7 (signal ground) it must >be current loop. > >Brian >

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KA630 guru/tests?

by mouse＠Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA

Now that I'm back on the list, by dint of unsub + resub (which I really should have thought to do earlier, rather than waiting against the time Jay finally emerges from the aftermath of VCF East).... I'm trying to build a KA630 emulator, more because I think it'll be fun and will teach me stuff than because I actually have a use for such a thing (there are plenty of good open-source VAX emulators out there already). I picked the KA630 because it's the only VAX implementation I have enough information on to even really attempt to build a simulator for. I dumped the ROMs from one of my KA630s (e/l/p/n:3fff 20040000, plus some postprocessing of the capture file) to get firmware. But the emulated VAX hangs at selftest step B. The manual I have (EK-KA630-UG-001) says this means that the IPCR is not working properly (probably broken Qbus electronics, on a real KA630), but it doesn't go into any significant detail. Furthermore, if I break to the simulator and manually advance it past the "blbc r0,." that it's hanging at, it continues, but ends up with an error at step 7 - apparently it can't find any working memory(!). Now, the manual could be simply wrong. I've found it lying (or, let me be charitable, "not matching the machine I have") at once already; it claims certain bits are write-only, but the ROM code depends on being able to read them. Or I could be mis-emulating the Qbus stuff. Or I could have a bug in the emulation of an instruction somewhere. So, I'm looking for either or both of (a) someone who's enough of a KA630 guru to help or (b) some kind of VAX instruction-set test suite, to help verify that I have the instruction emulations right. (I caught one instruction emulation bug already, quite by chance; there is surely at least one more.) Thoughts? /~\ The ASCII der Mouse \ / Ribbon Campaign X Against HTML mouse(a)rodents.montreal.qc.ca / \ Email! 7D C8 61 52 5D E7 2D 39 4E F1 31 3E E8 B3 27 4B

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Hardware/doc preservatoion, was Re: rarest computers.

by dwight.elvey＠amd.com

>From: "Paul Koning" <pkoning(a)equallogic.com> > >>>>>> "Paul" == Paul Koning <pkoning(a)equallogic.com> writes: > >>>>>> "Steven" == Steven N Hirsch <shirsch(a)adelphia.net> writes: > Steven> On Wed, 4 Aug 2004, ben franchuk wrote: > >>> PS. Years ago in BYTE ( early 1990's? ) they had spoke up of a > >>> CPU designed for reliable operation for real time control of > >>> things like power plants or subways or aircraft. They claimed it > >>> was so simple that programs could be proven to be bug free. I was > >>> wondering if they manufactured or sold any the devices. > > Steven> That would be the British "Viper" CPU. Computational theory > Steven> suggests (proves, perhaps? - it's been a few years) that use > Steven> of hardware or software stacks renders behavior > Steven> indeterminate. > > Paul> Baloney. Anyone who has paid any attention to Dijkstra knows > Paul> that such a statement would have to be complete and utter > Paul> nonsense. > >PS. It is certainly true that programs can be proven to match their >specification. That's not quite the same as proving them bug free -- >it now requires the specification to be bug free. > >But such proofs in no way require the absence of a stack. That's >actually rather obvious, because any program that uses a stack can be >rewritten into a program that does not use one. But in fact such a >rewrite does not help readability at all. > >It probably is not a coincidence that the scientist who did much early >work on stacks is also the scientist who spent a lifetime working on >program correctness (E.W.Dijkstra). > > paul > Hi I think that it is interesting that there is a programmer in the UK that produces one of the few provable program products for correctness ( to specification ) that meet some standard ( I forget which ) and his programs are all done in Forth ( that uses two stacks ). My understanding is that most of the reason he can produce this is that the language it self is built and verified by him and that even though there are stacks, use is usually more controlled and maximum depths can be calculated. Most Forth processes are done with cooperative tasking rather than the more random effects of preemptive. This also means better predictability. The other part is that Forth programs tend to be highly factored. This means that hierarchical verification is more practical. It is easier to understand the range of valid inputs for each piece and how those effect the next level up. He writes program for such things as subway control systems. His products need to meet tight controls that need to be absolutely correct or people die. Strange that he would use a language that not only uses a stack but uses two stacks and still produces verifiable results. He considers that choice to be a most important one. Dwight

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