- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by rcini＠optonline.net

Hello all: I found this on eBay today: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=4193&item=5133018533& rd=1 Does anyone have any information on this? This is the first time I've seen this unit. Maybe something to emulate... Thanks. Rich Rich Cini Collector of classic computers Build Master for the Altair32 Emulation Project Web site: http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/classiccmp/ /************************************************************/

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Magenta Martini, was Dazzler demo program

by RCini＠congressfinancial.com

Paul: Thanks for the name of the program. Bitsavers has that tape but no manual. Does any have the loading instructions for Cromemco Magenta Martini? Thanks. Rich -----Original Message----- From: cctalk-bounces(a)classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Paul A. Pennington Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 11:52 AM To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Magenta Martini, was Dazzler demo program Richard wrote: > ...I haven't been able to locate the demo that was used in the window > of the BYTE Shop. It was called "Magenta Martini", if that helps. Made a huge splash in the monochrome world of computers at the time. Paul Pennington Augusta, Georgia

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Dazzler demo program

by RCini＠congressfinancial.com

Hello, all: Although I've been able to find copies of assorged Cromemco Dazzler-related software on bitsavers, I haven't been able to locate the demo that was used in the window of the BYTE Shop. I don't know the exact name of the program, so that might be hampering me a bit. Does anyone have a copy of this program in paper tape format that they could email me/point me to? Thanks. Rich

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PDP-11/40 XXDP diagnostics

by GOOI＠oce.nl

Ashley, on www.pdp-11.nl in the left menu, click on the *folder* "PDP-11/35". A tree structure opens. Click on the link "CPU information". At the bottom of the page that opens are the XXDP diags for the 11/40. Clicking on the links before each of them gives a short description. You can also click on "XXDP" in the left menu, and from the page that opens, click on the link "11/40 processor and options". Must check at home if I have descriptions of the MM11-xP diags. Sorry, can't (at the moment) help with .BIN's (no power available yet). - Henk, PA8PDP. > -----Original Message----- > From: cctalk-bounces(a)classiccmp.org > [mailto:cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Ashley Carder > Sent: dinsdag 26 oktober 2004 6:07 > To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: PDP-11/40 XXDP diagnostics > > Does anyone out there have the diagnostics for a > PDP-11/40 or diags for MM11-UP Core Memory? Or > even a list of which XXDP diags are the correct > ones for the 11/40 and for the MM11-UP? > > Any help would be appreciated. > > Thanks, > Ashley

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PDP-11/40 XXDP diagnostics

by wacarder＠usit.net

Does anyone out there have the diagnostics for a PDP-11/40 or diags for MM11-UP Core Memory? Or even a list of which XXDP diags are the correct ones for the 11/40 and for the MM11-UP? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Ashley

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HP 1000 M-series on gov liquidation

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

There was some talk about the various lots of HP 1000 M series boxes on gov. liquidation. I just wanted to let folks on the list know that I was going for the lot with three cpu's in it. That leaves another lot with 6 cpus, and a third lot with 8 cpus, in case anyone wants some for themselves. I was going to get one of the larger lots, but it turns out the lot of 3 will probably be the best one for me at this time and I'll probably keep all 3 cpus. Soooo if anyone is going for some of those M series, the 6 or 8 count lots look better. Yeah, that's the ticket. *GRIN* Jay

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Got Written Up in Magazine

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

For those of you that collect gaming systems also, I was this months Collector's Spotlight person in the VIDEO GAME COLLECTOR #2 issue. Check it out and excuse the bad picture my wife took of me.

21 years, 10 months

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blank paper tape reels wanted

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

I could have sworn I had a case of blank tape reels for my facit punch. Can't seem to find them, but I can find a bunch of blank fan-fold tape so maybe that's what I was thinking of :\ Anyone have some reels of blank paper tape for a facit punch they'd care to trade/sell for? I'm looking for an initial stock of maybe 8 reels. Jay West

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Manual HP 1727a

by z.dimic＠t-online.de

I am looking for a HP 1727a- manual. Please send me a message if available. Best Regards Z. Dimic Broicher Str. 139a 41179 Moenchengladbach Germany email: z.dimic(a)t-online.de

21 years, 10 months

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disk drive

by FrankF＠solderx.com

Hi there I have the same problem... Looking for the Sony MP-F52W-00D floppy drive. Would like to know if you can give me the phone number to the Sony Company you called. Would much appreciate it. You can contact me at www.fabio_padula@hotmail.com

21 years, 10 months

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KA640 TM

by lists＠microvax.org

Hi - does anybody know of any copies of the KA640 Tech Manual online? I think i've got a blown DSSI picofuse* and i'd like to have a casual flip through the manual whilst i'm away from the system. I've searched Manx and poked Google, both turned up nothing. Cheers guys alex/melt * Terminator not lighting up, first disk in chain never coming online, CPU "Normal Operation Not Possible" errors

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vax hardware handbook

by classiccmp.org＠irrelevant.fsnet.co.uk

This talk of software handbooks reminded me... I have a "VAX Hardware Handbook 1982-1983". (Copyright 1982.) Covers the 11/730, 11/750 and 11/780 (at least, going off the chapter sections.) It's in pretty good condition for it's age. I'm never going to have a use for it, so it's Free to anybody who wants it - just cover postage to your neck of the woods. (I'm in the UK.) Rob. -- Random plug: www.russianglass.co.uk

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blank paper tape reels wanted

by aek＠spies.com

Anyone have some reels of blank paper tape for a facit punch they'd care to trade/sell for? -- Western Numerical Controls http://www.westnc.com/paptape.html#tty I would suggest unoiled dark blue. Black has a high carbon content which is bad for punches.

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Magenta Martini, was Dazzler demo program

by RCini＠congressfinancial.com

Paul: Thanks -- that's exactly what I was looking for. Bitsavers.org has a copy of that tape on-line. Rich -----Original Message----- From: cctalk-bounces(a)classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Paul A. Pennington Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 11:52 AM To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Magenta Martini, was Dazzler demo program Richard wrote: > ...I haven't been able to locate the demo that was used in the window > of the BYTE Shop. It was called "Magenta Martini", if that helps. Made a huge splash in the monochrome world of computers at the time. Paul Pennington Augusta, Georgia

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Sun 3/180 help requested

by pat＠computer-refuge.org

(I sent this first to the rescue at sunhelp list, but figure people here might be of more help with older machines.) So, I've tried booting my Sun 3/180, and can't get it to work. With the switch set to "diag" on the back, I get the following output: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Boot PROM Selftest PROM Checksum Test DVMA Reg Test Context Reg Test Segment Map Wr/Rd Test Segment Map Address Test Page Map Test Memory Path Data Test NXM Bus Error Test Interrupt Test TOD Clock Interrupt Test MMU Access Bit Test MMU Access/Modify Bit Test MMU Invalid Page Test MMU Protected Page Test Parity Test Err 9: Bad parity should cause nmi >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, it suggests there's a problem with the CPU board. Does anyone have a spare 3/180 or 3/280+memory laying around? Alternatively, I could probably try to replace the "broken chip", assuming I can find a replacement, and a decent enough documentation to see what's wrong. And, yes I've already tried pulling out the other memory board in the system, all the RAM that's left is (soldered) on the CPU board. I have a feeling it's not the memory, however, which is the problem. So, if anyone has something I could use - either documentation or hardware - that would be much appreciated. : ) Pat -- Purdue University ITAP/RCS --- http://www.itap.purdue.edu/rcs/ The Computer Refuge --- http://computer-refuge.org

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Difference 23512 and 27512 Eprom

by dwight.elvey＠amd.com

Hi Stefan Sorry I didn't get back to you. Things got busy and I've been away from the net over the weekend. It looks like you need to make an adapter to at least disconnect Pin 22 so the VPP level can't get to the chips pin. The mask ROMs may have any of the 4 configurations for pins 20 and 22. I would try first just disconnecting 22 from the test side and connecting the chips pin 22 to pin 20. This assumes that the mask ROM uses the same selects as the EPROM does. I'd do that as the first try. Does anyone remember which pin they pull high on to check the manufacture ID. I think it was A11 but I'm not all that sure. It would be a good Idea to stack two resistors of about 1K in series with this lead. One should place a diode to VCC ( pin 28 ) to the junction of the two resistors with the band towards VCC. This will protect the part against any ID test voltage that might be used. It would still allow the address to pass. Dwight >From: birs23(a)zeelandnet.nl > >You can find that here : >http://www.xs4all.nl/~ganswijk/chipdir/holtek/ht23c256.txt > >For a 27256 you can look here : >http://www.xs4all.nl/~ganswijk/chipdir/giicm/27512.txt > >Cheers, > >Stefan > >At 23:09 22-10-2004, you wrote: >>Hi >> I guess the next thing is to find a pinout for >>the 23512 to see if they have a select that is inverted >>that might need to be patched around to read on >>a standard programmer. >>Dwight >> >> >From: birs23(a)zeelandnet.nl >> > >> >Dwight, not missing the discussion ;-) >> > >> >At 19:15 22-10-2004, you wrote: >> > >> >> >From: ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> Hi, >> >> >> >> >> >> I know very little about electronics and eproms so this question >> might be >> >> >> really easy. I would like to know what the difference is between a >> 23512 >> >> >> eprom and a 27512 and if there are any differences if its possible to >> >> make >> >> > >> >> >I thought the 23512 was the mask-programmed part (not an EPROM), and is >> >> >otherwise the same device. You should be able to read it (unless your >> >> >programmer tries to be clever and read the manufacturer's ID word, etc). >> >> > >> >> >-tony >> >> > >> >> >> >>Hi Tony >> >> I think you are right about the 23xxx being mask versions. >> >>The problem with the newer EPROM parts is that they do not >> >>require pulsing of the programming voltage. Many programmers >> >>simply leave the programming voltage high while reading or >> >>verifying. This is real bad for mask parts. Also, most mask >> >>parts use the programming voltage pin as another select. >> >>This means that it may need to be in the opposite state that, >> >>even a programmer that allows setting of the program voltage, >> >>may not be in the right state to read. >> >> Also, I think this fellow is off the list and doesn't realize >> >>that he is talking to a list. I suspect he is missing our >> >>conversations related to his issue. >> >>Dwight >> > >> > > >

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looking for pdp-11 assembler book

by trash3＠splab.cas.neu.edu

Yes, Jay, that was me, the pdp-11 manual, including 11/45. Joe Heck

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Some PDP-11 info (was Re: C compilers for RSTS/E?)

by gtoal＠gtoal.com

> Interesting -- DOS format magtape. 6.3 filenames... > Some of the command files on that tape look like RSX ones, and some > are RSTS ones. Makes sense; compilers and things like that built for > RSX generally run just fine on RSTS (in RSX emulation). Which reminds me... students at Groningen University wrote a multi-tasking system for the PDP that was loosely based on EMAS (big mainframe system >from Edinburgh, sort of like Multics but better). I remember one feature of the OS was that it used an RT-11 format disk structure for raw storage even though the user view of files was quite different. For example I think RT-11 had version numbers (in the style of VMS), but GUTS showed only the top-level file, and had a "pop" command which deleted the most recent file and made the version below it visible. The source is lost (though we do have a disk pack which *may* contain the OS, if it is still readable) but a scan of the three-book report is available online: http://history.dcs.ed.ac.uk/archive/scans/guts/ - Orange is the users guide; Red - system design; Yellow - selected source listings. Edinburgh was also fairly big on PDP11's, having written a few operating systems for it. The british networking operations ran on PDP11's for years, on an O/S called DEIMOS. (Binary disk images online at http://history.dcs.ed.ac.uk/archive/os/deimos/ ; sources also at http://history.dcs.ed.ac.uk/archive/os/emas/emas2/deimos/ - the binaries ought to work in an emulator; I haven't tried them myself) Deimos was also used for the front-end terminal servers at Edinburgh, and as the basis of the Edinburgh Remote Terminal Emulator (ERTE) which submitted jobs as if they were typed by remote users, to do accurate performance monitoring without the Heisenberg interaction of measuring the performance on the system itself. This has no relation to the 'fuzzball' arpanet routers, written by David Mills (of NTP fame) who was also at Edinburgh at the time. Another PDP/11 O/S was "MUSS". There's a manual page for it here: http://history.dcs.ed.ac.uk/archive/os/emas/users/ercm09/emas-2900/docum_mm… I think the sources of MUSS along with the FEP's and ERTE are in that directory somewhere too. DEIMOS, MUSS, ERTE and the FEPs were written by Brian Gilmore, now head of the Computing Service. Ian Young wrote an operating system for the PDP-11 called "rats" as a student project - I believe he has a paper listing which we might have scanned some day. That was the first implementation of lightweight threads that I remember seeing. All the Edinburgh software was written in Imp, except for a few assembler parts, but we had our own assembler for it as well: http://history.dcs.ed.ac.uk/archive/os/emas/users/ercm09/emas-2900/asst11j.… There were two compilers for the system; one written by the ERCC based on a simpler bootstrapping compiler called "SKIMP" - http://history.dcs.ed.ac.uk/archive/languages/imp11-tmp/imp11/sk11v.imp ... and a later one written by the Computer Science department for the Imp77 language: http://history.dcs.ed.ac.uk/archive/os/emas/users/ercm11/emas-a/imp119s/ (and a very early version of the above, we think: http://history.dcs.ed.ac.uk/archive/languages/imp11-tmp/earlyimp11/ ) There's a good writeup of the pdp-11 imp compiler optimisations here: http://www.gtoal.com/athome/edinburgh/imp/PDP11IMP.htm Graham

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1/2" tape cleaners?

by aek＠spies.com

"Streaming type" front loader 9 trk drives are a dime-a-dozen - there's a couple on the shlf at WierdStuff for $50 and that's about half too much - but there are plenty of the Cipher 880s, HP and M4 Data drives out there. -- I'll take every M4 9914 you can find for $25... 880's are a dime a dozen. M4's are not. d

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curious about unknown hp board

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

On ebay... item # 5133626288 I'm not sure I recognize this board, and somewhat curious just what it's for. Any ideas? Jay West

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OT-ish: Blue LEDs

by julesrichardsonuk＠yahoo.co.uk

Does anyone know when blue LEDs first became commercially available? The pair of Apollos that arrived at the museum yesterday both have rectangular blue LEDs fitted alongside the amber and green on the front of the machine - the systems date from 1990 though... It's possible that someone's fitted them years later of course! They certainly make the systems stand out though :-) cheers Jules

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Anyone need a 220V Commodore 1571?

by jeff.kaneko＠juno.com

It only runs on 220v, mfg by Commodore, Germany. It's of little use to me, maybe somone on the other side of the Atlantic could use it (I'm in the US). Jeff ________________________________________________________________ Speed up your surfing with Juno SpeedBand. Now includes pop-up blocker! Only $14.95/ month - visit http://www.juno.com/surf to sign up today!

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Auction: Hayes Chronograph

by jeff.kaneko＠juno.com

At: http://marketplace.vintage.org Thank you for your attention . . . . Jeff ________________________________________________________________ Speed up your surfing with Juno SpeedBand. Now includes pop-up blocker! Only $14.95/ month - visit http://www.juno.com/surf to sign up today!

21 years, 10 months

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looking for pdp-11 assembler book

by jeff.kaneko＠juno.com

Hey! If no one has claimed the PDP-11 assembler book, I would be interested. . . .. Jeff On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 20:53:38 -0500 "Jay West" <jwest(a)classiccmp.org> writes: > > > Jay, I have a copy, copywrite 1980. > Darn, I should have read through all my email first... Someone > pointed me to > a copy online outside of ebay and I bought it there :\ That'll teach > me. > > > BTW, you never answered on if you wanted the 11/45 book I had... > 11/45 book? I'm not sure which one you mean, but most likely I'd be > quite > interested in it. I think someone offered me a dec handbook which > included > the 11/45, but not sure if that's what you're referring to. Let me > know! > > Regards, > > Jay West > > > > ________________________________________________________________ Speed up your surfing with Juno SpeedBand. Now includes pop-up blocker! Only $14.95/ month - visit http://www.juno.com/surf to sign up today!

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curious about unknown hp board

by gslick＠gte.net

The part number give it away: 02640-60158. It's a backplane for a 264x terminal.

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looking for pdp-11 assembler book

by trash3＠splab.cas.neu.edu

Jay, I have a copy, copywrite 1980. Does not appear to have been written in (notes). It does look like there is some discoloration on the top, perhaps something sprayed over my books and some got on the top edges. It did not penetrate very far, and can only be seen barely on the top edges of the pages when looking through the book.. You can have it. Sometime by me a coffee. It's not worth sending anything to cover postage. I need an address. Joe Heck BTW, you never answered on if you wanted the 11/45 book I had...

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Repositories of RSTS software?

by ron.hudson＠sbcglobal.net

I have gotten some stuff from http://pdp-11.trailing-edge.com/rsts11/ Are there any other places?

21 years, 10 months

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DEC Prototyping board

by kyrrin＠bluefeathertech.com

Hi, gang, For those working with Qbus or Unibus DEC systems: I've just posted a Vector dual-height prototyping board for auction on E-pay. If you're interested, a search for item #5133752396 should reveal it. Thanks much. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Owner & Head Hardware Heavy, Blue Feather Technologies -- http://www.bluefeathertech.com kyrrin (at) bluefeathertech do/t c=o=m "If Salvador Dali had owned a computer, would it have been equipped with surreal ports?"

21 years, 10 months

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KA640 TM

by msokolov＠ivan.Harhan.ORG

I would be very interested in a KA640 TM too! MS

21 years, 10 months

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HP 25 and HP55

by ron.hudson＠sbcglobal.net

I just got some HP calculators! Now I have some questions :^) --Anyone have a spare manual for either? --Have pointers on replacing the battery pack on the 55? (it seems to be 3 AAA nicads) --Anyone have any pointers on cleaning up leaked nicad crystals? what is that stuff anyway? I do have cases and power suplies. -- I took apart the 25's battery pack and replaced the nicads with nickel metal hydride cells (the same ones I use in my camera) -- Is is ok to run the 55 on wall power supply without a battery pack installed? Will trade the 55+case+powersupply+leakybatteries(in a ziplock bag) for complete set of docs for the 25 + 1 good application book, preferably games :^)

21 years, 10 months

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Multia's...

by dholland＠woh.rr.com

Well, I finally have a true DEC bit of hardware in the form of a old DEC Multia VX40. (166Mhz Alpha, 64MB RAM, 3.5" floppy, 1GB SCSI) (Its almost properly on-topic from the dates I could find.) I've cleaned out the dust/cigarette smoke, and bought myself a little SCSI1->SCSI2 adapter so I can get the SCSI external. (As well as another 32Mb of memory while I was at it. - it was cheap - and there were empty SIMM slots) The original 1GB IBM SCSI drive appears to have been the victim of true sticktation. The drive started spinning after I whapped it a few times, so I don't trust it. I've got an 18G (Sun) external disk, and CD-ROM I can plug into it, and the intention is to install OpenVMS Alpha 7.3-1 on the thing. Anyone have an non-obvious words of wisdom before I start installing VMS onto it? (I gather getting VMS on a Multia isn't officially supported, and a bit of a trick. ) Thanks, David

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Fibre Channel?

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Oct 24 2004, 11:22, John Foust wrote: > > I recently inherited a stack of Fibre Channel gizmos made by Compaq: > three x12 hubs, a tape controller, and a Storageworks modular > data router. > > eBay prices are all over the map: some sellers trying to > unload them for $1000+, but the real auctions are going for > less than $50 for each box. Each slot in the hub needs an > optical transceiver; these seem to sell for $10 each. > Cables? Many offered, few bidders. FC hard drives? $20 each. > > This stuff cost a fortune not so long ago. Why is it > rock-bottom now? Will it ever be attractive to hobbyists? Because serious users have upgraded and the cast-offs aren't very popular, I suspect. To users who think SCSI is odd, FC probably seems wierd for words (look at the interface on the back of those drives). They also tend to be small and relatively power hungry, compared to cheap ATA drives, and how many cheap FC-AL PCI cards have you seen for a PC? I've got some FC-AL RAID stuff, but it's on an Origin 2000, and anyway it's all 9GB drives. Hardly something buyers would fight over. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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vt278, decmate

by emu＠ecubics.com

Hi all, just got two vt278 in. Both stop at thew T6 Test, Main Memory read/write. Is this a common problem ? Any vt278 users out there ? cheers

21 years, 10 months

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9448 Cartridge Module Drive

by birs23＠zeelandnet.nl

I just dug up a huge 9448 cartridge module drive from magnetic peripherals here. Anybody interested in this beast ? Takes about 2 persons to carry it. I have no idea what the status is of this machine. The only thing I can say is that when turned on no smoke comes out and no fault lights come on. I just makes a nice humming sound ;-) Cheers, Stefan.

21 years, 10 months

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TA Alphatronic PC = Matmos PC

by julesrichardsonuk＠yahoo.co.uk

Probably a well-known fact for anyone with a TA Alphatronic PC, but I didn't know this... Seems that a company called Matmos bought up a large number of machines >from a 'major European office equipment manufacturer', rebadged them, and sold them on (no idea of date unfortunately). The machine in the picture on the flyer I have is definitely a TA Alphatronic PC though. The 'nice' thing is that all the systems were shipped expanded with CP/M and twin 5.25" inch drives. Just passing this info on because as I recall most Alphatronic PCs shipped by TA were without the drives and necessary expansion unit (I've got three of the darn things used as dumb terminals), so if anyone wants to make a slightly more useful system, keep an eye out for a Matmos PC :-) cheers Jules

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Anyone want an HP 7980A tape drive [Seattle area]?

by gslick＠gte.net

While we're on the topic of 1/2" tape drives, anyone want an HP 7980A (HPIB interface, not SCSI) that can either pick it up in the Seattle area or want it enough to pay shipping?

21 years, 10 months

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Speaking of tape cleaners....

by jrasite＠eoni.com

I recently came into a few Imation Travan DC-2000 and MC-3000 cleaning kits. New in box. Would they be of use to anyone here? Jim Arnott Union, OR Leopards break into the temple and drink to the dregs what is in the sacrificial pitchers; this is repeated over and over again; finally it can be calculated in advance, and it becomes part of the ceremony. -Kafka

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1/2" tape cleaners?

by brad＠heeltoe.com

Does anyone know anything about 1/2" tape cleaners? I remember (I think) seeing a device in the tape library of the giant insurance company I once worked for. This device, if I remember correctly looked like an audio open reel tape deck but would take a 1/2" (9-track style) tape reel on one side and had a take-up reel on the other. If I remember correctly the tape passed over a "spinning wheel" which had slots in it. I think this wheel would "clean" the tape. It's all a bit hazy now, but I think this device was used to clean and re-tention 9-track 1/2" tapes. (the # of tracks does not matter, but I say that to give the proper context). Anyone know of these, have one, know of one, or if they work and are safe? I have some (well, many) 9-track tapes which were stored in a very poor (read humid) environment. The look like they have mildew on them. I'd like to try cleaning and re-tensioning one and, after baking, see if it will read. Seems like one of these devices would come in handy. Any experience? -brad

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Apple IIc Plus's for sale

by jeff.kaneko＠juno.com

If anyone's interested, I have listed a couple of Apple IIc Pluses at http://marketplace.vintage.org. I also have the external 3.5" floppies for them as well . . . . Jeff ________________________________________________________________ Speed up your surfing with Juno SpeedBand. Now includes pop-up blocker! Only $14.95/ month - visit http://www.juno.com/surf to sign up today!

21 years, 10 months

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access to BIOS of DECpc

by GOOI＠oce.nl

As promised, the update. The last version I received from Pete is indeed the OnTrack 7.09 version that works with all disks. GREAT STUFF!! It recognized immediately my HP C2965A. On that drive it says: 988 cyl 16 hds 52 sect 420.8 Mb OnTrack maps that differently, but what the heck: it works perfectly. A bit strange though is that I have a C: (boot)partition of 420 Mb *and* a D: partition of some 418 Mb. The drive clearly says 420.8 Mb, but OnTrack says 818 Mb ....? Perhaps word -> byte? just guessing. Anyway, the DECpc 320P is on its way to run E11 and SIMH! At least, the PDP-11 simulation runs on a PC .... but it's a *DECpc* :-) thanks for all replies! - Henk, PA8PDP. PS. Dave, if you find a newer version I would be glad to receive a copy to store it for later requests. Think of your version being backed up at an other continent :-)

21 years, 10 months

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1/2" tape cleaners?

by aek＠spies.com

fwiw, I've put the two Kybe manuals that I have up on www.bitsavers.org/pdf/kybe. I have a MLT-600 (100+ lbs)

21 years, 10 months

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1/2" tape cleaners?

by aek＠spies.com

> does "clean" mean "erase"? -- Since they are still around, see if you can get a manual. It will probably be $100 to ship the unit, even if you get it for $50. They may support cleaning a tape w/o certifying it. Also check if there are consumables (the older Kybe units have a loop of cleaning tape that I haven't been able to find a source for) required for this unit. I didn't see any supplies listed on their web page.

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Need URL for Download O fTV Show

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

By mistake I deleted the message that had the URL for downloading the G4TechTV's The Screen Savers TV show with Sellam, does anyone remember what it was? I have downloaded the BitTorrent client to view it with. Thanks

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access to BIOS of DECpc

by GOOI＠oce.nl

> So what kinda pie do you want, Sellam? ;^> LOL, but seriously Roger, that was a perfect explanation! BTW. good tip to make a backup floppy with a Clear Label on it. - Henk, PA8PDP. -----Original Message----- From: cctalk-bounces(a)classiccmp.org To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Sent: 23-10-2004 17:18 Subject: RE: access to BIOS of DECpc Rumor has it that Vintage Computer Festival may have mentioned these words: >On Sat, 23 Oct 2004, Gooijen H wrote: > > > A short update on my efforts ... > > The Fujitsu-OnRack version did what was to be expected: it checks and > > sees that there is no Fujitsu drive in the PC and stops :-) > > Sorry to say that the version from Pete is for Western Digital drives > > and shows the same behaviour :-( > > I found a gfew manufacturer versions, but not for HP &%$#@!& > > However, there is till hope at 2 fronts: the version Dave will dig up, > > and there is one on auction at eBay (for just a few $$). If I will be > > the lucky winner I will share the data on the disk with everybody that > > is interested in a copy. It looks like this is an *original* OnTrack > > version that works with drives of any manufacturer. It's version 7 ... > > I'll report back later. > >Maybe this is a dumb suggestion, in which case I invite folks to throw >pies at me while I'm stripped down nekkid (note: I might like it), If you're talking Lemon Meringue fresh outta the oven, I doubt you'd like it (well, not for *long*, anyway! :-O )... >... but >what about using a boot manager instead? Would it not accomplish the same >thing? Noper, two totally different critters. Boot managers just *replaces* the standard MBR with a customizable MBR so you can boot multiple OSs. It has nothing to do WRT disk geometry or sizes. Linux's Grub is a good example. (LILO can do it too, but it's a little less forgiving of other operating systems.) Even Winders NT/2K/XP boot manager can be twiddled enough to boot Linux, tho it's *not* easy to do. Individual partitions are easily accessible from other OSs as the geometry is still derived from the BIOS/HD itself. OTOH, OnTrack (and others) actually "off-shift" the MBR and add a "pre-loader" which adds a BIOS patch to give the BIOS the ability to recognize larger HDs, or HDs with odd geometries. Then once it loads, the off-shifted MBR is then called and the computer can boot normally. If this BIOS patch is *not* loaded first, then the computer cannot accurately recognize the HD geometry, partition sizes or locations, etc. On the plus side, it's *very* handy every time an idiot PeeCee manufacturer decides to hard-code YADAHDL (that's "Yet Another DumbAss Hard Drive Limitation... ;-) -- First 32Meg, then 528 Meg, then 2Gig, then 8 Gig, then 80Gig, then 127Gig, and I'm sure there's others in between I've forgotten. This code allows a computer with a 528-Meg BIOS limitation (or older computer who's BIOS doesn't have customizable entries) to utilize larger HDs. On the minus side - He who uses this software had better take care on having a good backup plan in place that does not require this software! As the geometry's been "jumbled" to make it work in that environment, if you yank the drive & put it in another machine, the partitions won't be recognized or anything. With OnTrack and some others, you *could* set up a boot floppy with the special code so another machine (if booted from this floppy) could read the partitions & whatnot, but guaranteed, as soon as you need that floppy, you won't be able to find it... ;-) Hope this helps, Roger "Merch" Merchberger So what kinda pie do you want, Sellam? ;^> -- Roger "Merch" Merchberger | A new truth in advertising slogan sysadmin, Iceberg Computers | for MicroSoft: "We're not the oxy... zmerch(a)30below.com | ...in oxymoron!"

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Fujitsu M2294p drives & interfaces

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Oct 23 2004, 20:35, Stephane Tsacas wrote: > Folks, > > Another fat SMD, Eagle like drive on ebay : > FUJITSU LIMITED FIXED DISK UNIT # M2294K ~VERY NICE! > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5132599282 They're nice drives -- I have one -- but the seller has mis-described it slightly. It's not "missing the power cord". The power cable is what you can see in the picture, lying on top of the HDA: the cable(s) with three big AMP (or Molex? I forget which) connectors on the end. What's missing is the PSU, and you won't be running *that* drive off an ex-PC PSU. It's also missing the outer halves of the mounting rails (the parts that fit to the rack), the SMD terminator, and the front panel. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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1/2" tape cleaners?

by aek＠spies.com

> >Like this one? That is a certifier. It reads and writes on the tape. http://www.datadev.com/mark350.html is more like what he is looking for, although I wouldn't trust a tape in poor condition on something that spun at 350 ips.

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HP Apollo 400t machines & software

by julesrichardsonuk＠yahoo.co.uk

Any Apollo users out there? A chap dropped off a couple of Apollo 400t machines at the museum today (circa 1990 vintage) with numerous manuals. First time I've seen one in years - I remember a room full of them at uni behind a glass partition wall, not usable by us mere mortals, and always wanted to get hold of one since then. Initial questions from the 5 minutes I had free today to actually *look* at the things (damnit!): Anyone (hopefully in the UK!) got a spare Domain keyboard? Both machines work, but only came with the one keyboard :-( I have a feeling the chances of finding one are something like zero... Anyone got install media preserved anywhere? (We've got a backup CD, plus I'll image the hard disks - but a copy of proper install media would be nice) How's the Apollo token ring network physically configured? Presumably something somewhere needs to bias the line at the very least? (We got a cable with each machine that brings the card connector out to a pair of BNC plugs) Any idea what tape drive the systems used (I've seen reference to optional tape drive in the manuals) and if it was just a SCSI device on the bus, or whether it used a custom controller? Any other UK people got any more Apollo stuff they no longer want? ;-) cheers! Jules

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Fujitsu M2294p drives & interfaces

by aklein＠businessnet.de

Hello, I buy a M2294P at Ebay Germany. Do you know something about this HDD? Capacy or something. Sorry for my bad english. THX Andreas

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KA640 TM

by lists＠microvax.org

Hi - does anybody know of any copies of the KA640 Tech Manual online? I think i've got a blown DSSI picofuse* and i'd like to have a casual flip through the manual whilst i'm away from the system. I've searched Manx and poked Google, both turned up nothing. Cheers guys alex/melt * Terminator not lighting up, first disk in chain never coming online, CPU "Normal Operation Not Possible" errors

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OT PCI token ring adapters available

by CCTalk＠catcorner.org

I have 4 Olicom OC-3137 cards available for $3 plus shipping (for the lot, not each). Or, make an offer if $3 sounds like too much. Shipping would be from New Jersey, USA. I will ship them anywhere you're willing to pay for. They are Token-Ring PCI/II 16/4 Adapters. I don't know many people that could use these so I thought I would offer them to the list. For drivers and other info see: http://www.olicom.com:8080/index.asp?item=947 First come, first serve. Kelly

21 years, 10 months

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Boot Rom for KDF11-BA

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Oct 11 2004, 3:51, mehditk2(a)juno.com wrote: > > Hi, > > Does anyone have a KDF11-B3 boot rom or any other version which > can boot RX33 or an MSCP device on my KDF11-BA. I will pay for > that and I will be very thankful since I have not to buy a Eprom > programmer to burn the immages. KDF11-B3 isn't one ROM, it's an upgrade kit consisting of two EPROMs plus instructions. It's more usual to refer to the ROMs themselves by the actual numbers or the processor suffix. The ROMs in the -B3 kit are 23-183E4 and 23-184E4, as far as I remember; that's the -BF version, but most versions of the KDF11 ROMs work with MSCP devices. For example, people have used RD31 drives on an RQDX3 with -BE ROMs, although it wasn't officially supported until -BG. The next version was 23-380E4 and 23-381E4, which would make the processor a KDF11-BG. There's a list of ROMs at http://www.dunnington.u-net.com/public/DECROMs/ (see the file called ROMlist). You can see which revisions officially support various MSCP devices in Micronote 43, which you can find in various places including http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/academic/computer-science/history/pdp-11/hardwar… BTW, the EPROMs for a KDF11-B are unusual 24-pin 8Kx8 devices; normal 2764-style 8Kx8 devices will not do because they're 28-pin. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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1/2" tape cleaners?

by aek＠spies.com

> Does anyone know anything about 1/2" tape cleaners? -- Yes, they do pretty much what you describe. The problem is they used consumable cleaning strips which have been unobtainium for at least 15 years.

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Some PDP-11 info (was Re: C compilers for RSTS/E?)

by msokolov＠ivan.Harhan.ORG

Ed Kelleher <Pres(a)macro-inc.com> wrote: > My wife, before we were married, used that to set the hook in me. > [...] > Girl comes crying into room, "I did PIP/S and not DICOMP/S and ^C'd and > I've lost all my work!!!". > (Don't you just love it when they talk like that!) > Geek boy helps pretty programmer recover data, gets big kiss, etc. etc. That is soooooooo sweet! Once again proves that not ALL women are Weendoze pee sea lusers, there DO exist ClassicCmp-friendly and even ClassicCmp-appreciative ones if you take the time to seek one out and don't settle for less than what you really deserve. "Kto vesel, tot smeetsya, kto hochet, tot dob'etsya, kto ischet, tot vsegda najdet!" -MS, who is in the process of preparing the 4.3BSD-Quasijarus version of the Berkeley UNIX manuals for his new girlfriend. She worked as a UNIX sysadmin for 10 years but could use a refresher, and it's always good to have a manual that corresponds exactly to what's actually running.

21 years, 10 months

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SpinRite?

by jfoust＠threedee.com

Steve Gibson shouldn't be a strange name for this list. Google tells me that SpinRite's been mentioned a few times in 2003 and 2004. I recently bought a copy of his SpinRite and I'm trying to get my head around exactly when it's useful. The manual isn't much help. Right now it's chugging away on a circa 1987 floppy that lost its shutter, rattled around in an envelope, and today has CRC errors. Not a rare disk, just something I'd like to see if it can recover. It's busy re-reading bad sectors hundreds of times to make its best guess at the data. A few days ago I tried SpinRite on a contemporary PC's hard drive that would error-out when writing to two spots on the disk. At its strongest correction level, SpinRite found the errors but the disk wasn't "repaired" in the sense that I expected: I thought it would somehow map-out the areas that had errors, and let me continue to rescue the drive's data. It didn't. Writing to the drive still failed. (I successfully read both partitions with a Knoppix CD and with R-Studio NE, but I wanted to bring the system back to life enough to let HP's WinXP create its recovery CDs.) So to keep this on-topic, when exactly can SpinRite help rescue old hard drives and floppies? And to state the obvious, SpinRite can't raise the dead. I tried it on a drive that was alive enough to be recognized by the BIOS, but if SpinRite can't make it spin or read, it can't help. - John

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access to BIOS of DECpc

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Oct 23 2004, 11:12, Gooijen H wrote: > A short update on my efforts ... > The Fujitsu-OnRack version did what was to be expected: it checks and > sees that there is no Fujitsu drive in the PC and stops :-) > Sorry to say that the version from Pete is for Western Digital drives > and shows the same behaviour :-( Oops, wrong one. Sorry, Henk. I *do* have a plain version, somewhere, that works with Seagate and Toshiba disks (and presumably others, as it seems to be a non-specific OnTrack version, V.7.09). I've sent another copy to you. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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C compilers for RSTS/E?

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

What C compilers exist for RSTS/E? I'm aware of DEC PDP-11 C V1.2, is there anything else/newer? I assume there is no way to get GCC to crank out RSTS/E binaries. Zane

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South Pole. (was: "System Technology Associates"? SDI-ESDI adapter)

by dwight.elvey＠amd.com

>From: "Ethan Dicks" <dickset(a)amanda.spole.gov> > >On Fri, Oct 22, 2004 at 01:58:22PM -0700, Dwight K. Elvey wrote: >> Hi Ethan >> Wouldn't you do daylights saving in the winter instead >> of the summer? > >Everybody does it in their summer, northern hemisphere and southern >hemisphere... it's summer here *now*. > >-ethan > Hi Ethan Of course, your summer is different than mine. What was I thinking. Dwight

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C compilers for RSTS/E?

by aek＠spies.com

What I was getting at is that the RSX native file naming was 9.3, not 6.3. -- It is a DOS-11 (FLX) tape.

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C compilers for RSTS/E?

by aek＠spies.com

There was a version from Whitesmiths. I tried to get them to release it, and they were happy to, but the didn't have any copies - the tapes they had got somehow damaged or destroyed. If anyone has a copy, it would be a simple matter to get them to allow it to be distributed -- I've just put a version for RSX up at www.bitsavers.org/bits/dec/pdp11/magtapes/ 1 BLDECH.CMD [ 4, 1] <000> Jan 0, 1970 72 bytes [tape mark] 2 BUILD .CMD [ 4, 1] <000> Jan 0, 1970 1038 bytes [tape mark] 3 BUILDI.CMD [ 4, 1] <000> Jan 0, 1970 1108 bytes [tape mark] 4 BUILDR.CMD [ 4, 1] <000> Jan 0, 1970 904 bytes [tape mark] 5 C .CMD [ 4, 1] <000> Jan 0, 1970 228 bytes [tape mark] 6 CCC .BAS [ 4, 1] <000> Jan 0, 1970 1222 bytes [tape mark] 7 CFPP .CMD [ 4, 1] <000> Jan 0, 1970 232 bytes [tape mark] 8 CHDR .OBJ [ 4, 1] <000> Jan 0, 1970 532 bytes [tape mark] 9 CLIB .OLB [ 4, 1] <000> Jan 0, 1970 77824 bytes [tape mark] 10 CPM .OBJ [ 4, 1] <000> Jan 0, 1970 8642 bytes [tape mark] 11 CRIGHT. [ 4, 1] <000> Jan 0, 1970 1010 bytes [tape mark] 12 CTYPE .H [ 4, 1] <000> Jan 0, 1970 904 bytes [tape mark] 13 ECHO .C [ 4, 1] <000> Jan 0, 1970 824 bytes [tape mark] 14 ECHO .DOC [ 4, 1] <000> Jan 0, 1970 898 bytes [tape mark] 15 END .MAC [ 4, 1] <000> Jan 0, 1970 272 bytes [tape mark] 16 FCC .BAS [ 4, 1] <000> Jan 0, 1970 1226 bytes [tape mark] 17 FHDR .OBJ [ 4, 1] <000> Jan 0, 1970 536 bytes [tape mark] 18 FLIB .OLB [ 4, 1] <000> Jan 0, 1970 65536 bytes [tape mark] 19 HEX .OBJ [ 4, 1] <000> Jan 0, 1970 7312 bytes [tape mark] 20 INSTAL.DOC [ 4, 1] <000> Jan 0, 1970 6606 bytes [tape mark] 21 LBY .OBJ [ 4, 1] <000> Jan 0, 1970 10002 bytes [tape mark] 22 LIMIT . [ 4, 1] <000> Jan 0, 1970 1050 bytes [tape mark] 23 LINK .CMD [ 4, 1] <000> Jan 0, 1970 482 bytes [tape mark] 24 LNK .OBJ [ 4, 1] <000> Jan 0, 1970 19966 bytes [tape mark] 25 LRD .OBJ [ 4, 1] <000> Jan 0, 1970 2832 bytes [tape mark] 26 MATH .H [ 4, 1] <000> Jan 0, 1970 248 bytes [tape mark] 27 MOVEMT.CMD [ 4, 1] <000> Jan 0, 1970 212 bytes [tape mark] 28 P1 .OBJ [ 4, 1] <000> Jan 0, 1970 50160 bytes [tape mark] 29 P2 .OBJ [ 4, 1] <000> Jan 0, 1970 46638 bytes [tape mark] 30 P2CONF.OBJ [ 4, 1] <000> Jan 0, 1970 2714 bytes [tape mark] 31 PP .OBJ [ 4, 1] <000> Jan 0, 1970 21094 bytes [tape mark] 32 REL .OBJ [ 4, 1] <000> Jan 0, 1970 9328 bytes [tape mark] 33 RSX .H [ 4, 1] <000> Jan 0, 1970 2480 bytes [tape mark] 34 SBREAK.MAC [ 4, 1] <000> Jan 0, 1970 454 bytes [tape mark] 35 STD .H [ 4, 1] <000> Jan 0, 1970 1740 bytes [tape mark] 36 STDIO .H [ 4, 1] <000> Jan 0, 1970 1286 bytes [tape mark] 37 STDTYP.H [ 4, 1] <000> Jan 0, 1970 1392 bytes [tape mark] 38 TEST .CMD [ 4, 1] <000> Jan 0, 1970 308 bytes [tape mark] 39 TESTR .CMD [ 4, 1] <000> Jan 0, 1970 228 bytes [tape mark] 40 ULIB .OLB [ 4, 1] <000> Jan 0, 1970 23040 bytes [tape mark]

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Difference 23512 and 27512 Eprom

by dwight.elvey＠amd.com

Hi I guess the next thing is to find a pinout for the 23512 to see if they have a select that is inverted that might need to be patched around to read on a standard programmer. Dwight >From: birs23(a)zeelandnet.nl > >Dwight, not missing the discussion ;-) > >At 19:15 22-10-2004, you wrote: > >> >From: ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk >> > >> >> >> >> Hi, >> >> >> >> I know very little about electronics and eproms so this question might be >> >> really easy. I would like to know what the difference is between a 23512 >> >> eprom and a 27512 and if there are any differences if its possible to >> make >> > >> >I thought the 23512 was the mask-programmed part (not an EPROM), and is >> >otherwise the same device. You should be able to read it (unless your >> >programmer tries to be clever and read the manufacturer's ID word, etc). >> > >> >-tony >> > >> >>Hi Tony >> I think you are right about the 23xxx being mask versions. >>The problem with the newer EPROM parts is that they do not >>require pulsing of the programming voltage. Many programmers >>simply leave the programming voltage high while reading or >>verifying. This is real bad for mask parts. Also, most mask >>parts use the programming voltage pin as another select. >>This means that it may need to be in the opposite state that, >>even a programmer that allows setting of the program voltage, >>may not be in the right state to read. >> Also, I think this fellow is off the list and doesn't realize >>that he is talking to a list. I suspect he is missing our >>conversations related to his issue. >>Dwight > >

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South Pole. (was: "System Technology Associates"? SDI-ESDI adapter)

by dwight.elvey＠amd.com

>From: "Ethan Dicks" <dickset(a)amanda.spole.gov> > >On Thu, Oct 21, 2004 at 10:54:49PM -0400, John Allain wrote: >> Hey, here's a semintelligent, if OT, question. >> What time zone is at the South Pole? > >Well... the easy answer is "whichever one we want". > >In fact, the one we have selected is the one that matches where our flights >come from so it's easy to synchronize operations. That means NZST/NZDT, >since our flights come from McMurdo, and their flights come from Christchurch, >NZ (yes, we are at GMT+13 right now, and we _do_ observe daylight savings >time, even though the sun is up 24/7) > >-ethan > Hi Ethan Wouldn't you do daylights saving in the winter instead of the summer? Dwight

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Difference 23512 and 27512 Eprom

by dwight.elvey＠amd.com

>From: ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk > >> >> Hi, >> >> I know very little about electronics and eproms so this question might be >> really easy. I would like to know what the difference is between a 23512 >> eprom and a 27512 and if there are any differences if its possible to make > >I thought the 23512 was the mask-programmed part (not an EPROM), and is >otherwise the same device. You should be able to read it (unless your >programmer tries to be clever and read the manufacturer's ID word, etc). > >-tony > Hi Tony I think you are right about the 23xxx being mask versions. The problem with the newer EPROM parts is that they do not require pulsing of the programming voltage. Many programmers simply leave the programming voltage high while reading or verifying. This is real bad for mask parts. Also, most mask parts use the programming voltage pin as another select. This means that it may need to be in the opposite state that, even a programmer that allows setting of the program voltage, may not be in the right state to read. Also, I think this fellow is off the list and doesn't realize that he is talking to a list. I suspect he is missing our conversations related to his issue. Dwight

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Excercising vintage items - was: Commodore 8010 IEEE-488Acoustic Modem ?

by dave04a＠dunfield.com

>> I have to admit - I do not have a burning desire to connect to anything >> at 300 bps --- But I do have a burning desire to see it work. > >Understandable. If you really need a serial port, there are faster items >out there... but AFAIK, at the moment, that's the fastest you have... I don't *need* a serial port (I have a real one on my SuperPET) ... My point is that I don't like to just put stuff on the shelf ... I like to get it working. >> In this case, I think it would be "cool" to be able to demonstrate a PET >> connected through the 8010 IEEE modem to my Hayes S-100 modem (also a 103 type) >> in an Altair running a BBS system - This would show how it really worked! >> - but I don't expect anyone to actually want to use such a setup for any >> other purpose. > >Sure. I even have a couple of devices that are handy for that - Telephone >C.O. simulators... Thats no a problem for me - One of my main lines of "day" work these days is the development of a small office PBX (www.talkswitch.com) which is very small and easily portable (good for demos), and provides full switching etc. I also do dial-up point-of-sale banking terminals, so I have lots of equipment to simulate and monitor various phone line condition - not that it's really needed to "make a call" to a demo BBS. >The other thing I do with vintage equipment is show-and-tell. Mostly at >home with friends, but I have hauled an -8/L, w/rack, w/ASR-33 to a >local convention for a computer exhibit (along with lots of C= equipment) >Unfortunately, some bastard, most likely a hotel employee (or someone >with a lockpick, since it was after hours from a padlocked room) walked off >with my Dell P-133 laptop with about two weeks of recent Open Source >work on it. The show was a success - losing two wireless cards and a >fully tricked out Linux laptop was a real bite. That really bites. Agree completely on "show and tell" - I also find it's a great ice-breaker, I don't know how many people have come to the office for meetings of one sort or another and almost immediately start talking about seeing something on my site which was their first computer. Often said meeting is followed by a trip to the basement to play with the toys. Regards, Dave -- dave04a (at) Dave Dunfield dunfield (dot) Firmware development services & tools: www.dunfield.com com Vintage computing equipment collector. http://www.parse.com/~ddunfield/museum/index.html

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Flash ADC selection, or other approach?

by tomj＠wps.com

I'm a fair designer, but could use a hand at parts selection, to build a device to suck data off an old rotating memory. Generally-speaking, I need a little box (black box) that can slurp serial data off five parallel serial streams, synchronously. The native data rate is 80KHz, there are 128 sectors (sector = 32-bit word) per track, 4096 bits/track. Our previous discussion imposing 16X (say) sample rate on 12.5uS/bit is 1.28Msamples/sec, five channels. 4 bits vertically seems adequate. All five tracks must be sampled at the same time; internal machine timing is derived by random logic hung off the timing tracks. Channel-to-channel skew or offset would render the data worthless. Can't read one track, then the next, etc. (That said, it would be possible, if troublesome, to read only two channels at a time, where one channel is always the clock track, but that presupposes the clock track is perfect. I think with all five simultanously sampled I could "fix" a glitch in the clock track and re-write it, but that process will degrade if not simultaneous. I don't think the hardware savings are worth it.) With that assumption, it's 65536 samples/track, five tracks. With a trivial architecture of one 4-bit sample stored per memory byte, it's 320K bytes. Seeing how even little SBCs have a megabyte this will do. As I see it, my two practical (read: lazy) choices are build something around a little SBC, or some kludge around a "PC". The SBC approach: There are many $99 single board computers, many with A/D, but most of them are obsessed with bit depth (10 to 16) and not samples/sec in the lower-cost range. But sticking a five 4-bit ADCs on parallel ports, and every sample-interval, strobing all ADCs and reading 5 nybbles/bytes into local RAM, and a separate command to dump sampled data to a PC via serial port. The PC approach is to somehow wangle the five ADCs into the PC such that it will accept the 65536 5-byte (5-nybble) samples with ZERO LATENCY. There's plenty of memory, but my guess is simply adapting 5 ADCs onto the PC parallel port, or funny hardware to talk USB (and I don't think USB will guarnetee me my latency) is as much work as the SBC solution, which, if coded in assembly, will be plenty fast enough and trivial to build (and easy to test). I favor the SBC approach, as it would make a useful tool for others and it's platform independent. I can't find 4-bit flash ADCs! The smallest ADC on digikey is 8 bits, which is of course fine, but Analog Device's idea of fast is 2.5uS conversion, and they're $15/each. Anyone know of 4-bit ADCs? Or am I barking up the wrong tree here?

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arix 800 - last call

by kenziem＠sympatico.ca

I have one sitting in the garage is anyone interested in it? The drives have been pulled already. Also a bunch of communications stuff Cabletrom M8FND with modimm-4, cisco CRM-3E, TPRMIM-36, EMM-E6 Tylink 3250s Westell A90-311073 Noran Tel NT95008-sij Gandalf LDS120 InterLynx 3287-NNP CISCO 1000 lan extender model 1001 -- Collector of vintage computers http://www.ncf.ca/~ba600 Open Source Weekend http://www.osw.ca

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DEC stash in VA (gov)

by g-wright＠att.net

Just what you can see looks good ... Sure would like to know whats in the boxes.... Anyone close to this, Looks interesting. Too Bad i'm in Seattle. http://cgi.govliquidation.com/auction/view?id=464866 - Jerry

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The myth of the memory effect- was: NMIH batteries - was: Re: HP 25 and HP55

by dwight.elvey＠amd.com

Hi Tom >From: "Tom Peters" <tpeters(a)mixcom.com> > ---snip--- >2. NiCD batteries never had a memory effect either! Read the literature ---snip a lot of good stuff--- Thank you for mentioning this. I think, a lot of what people think of as memory is caused by unequal charging of battery stacks. As the cell that has the most charge remaining reaches full charge, the current through this cell reduces. The cell that has been lagging behind, never receives a full change. Flattening the stack lets them all start from a more equal playing field. The problem people miss with flattening is that if a cell is reverse charged, the depolarizers are at the wrong ends of the cells and the gas pressure builds up causing the burst seal to fail. Although, immediately after charging, this cell seems to work fine, within a month or so the cell will fail, simply because it dries out inside :( It may also leak on things. As I stated before, long term storage of NiCads is best done with them fully discharged. This keeps metal fingers from developing that cause the shorted cells that we often see. One can also store them at full charge because this tends to blow out any metal fingers that grow. The problem is that storing mostly discharged cell is the worst since there is both the voltage that causes the metal fingers to grow and not enough capacity to blow them out when they do short. Dwight

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OT: Peter Packet

by patrick＠vintagecomputermarketplace.com

Definitely OT, but I think this is priceless... http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/779/edu/peterpacket2/deliverables/funland_p lay.htm Patrick

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DEC Station almost

by KParker＠workcover.com

A while ago I picked up a DEC Station 5000/150 - it was just the main box and a couple of storage expansion boxes - one containing a floppy and hard drive and the other a tape drive and hard drive. I was most fortunate on the weekend and picked up a 19" colour Monitor for it. All I'm missing now are the keyboard and the mouse. Can anyone advise if these were proprietary devices for the DEC Stations or can I use something else. TIA!!!! ++++++++++ Kevin Parker Web Services Manager WorkCover Corporation p: 08 8233 2548 m: 0418 806 166 e: kparker(a)workcover.com w: www.workcover.com ++++++++++ ************************************************************************ This e-mail is intended for the use of the addressee only. It may contain information that is protected by legislated confidentiality and/or is legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient you are prohibited from disseminating, distributing or copying this e-mail. Any opinion expressed in this e-mail may not necessarily be that of the WorkCover Corporation of South Australia. Although precautions have been taken, the sender cannot warrant that this e-mail or any files transmitted with it are free of viruses or any other defect. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail and destroy the original e-mail and any copies. ************************************************************************

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Commodore 8010 IEEE-488 Acoustic Modem ?

by dave3＠toadware.ca

Hi Ethan, >> I am looking for: >> >> - Information on the power supply - I did not get a power supply >> with the modem - it has a 5-pin DIN type connector. Can anyone >> give me the pinout and power requirements? >Can't help there, but worst case, it shouldn't be difficult to >reverse-engineer the power supply... if there is some kind of >regulator, it might take a wide range of voltages. If not, then >one of the pins is probably +5V. It's old enough that I wouldn't >assume it uses a C-64 supply or even the voltages for the C-64 >(+5VDC, 9VAC), but it's worth looking at. Thats my plan-B - but I'm hopeing someone has this modem and can at least measure the supplies - Sometimes older analog stuff uses "funny" voltages and it might not be obvious what the supplies are supposed to be - agreed that it should be easy to identify 5V for the logic - it appears to be "completely manual" with switches for Answer- Off-Originate, so I don't think there's much logic except for the IEEE interface. >> - Documentation? Anyone have a scan of the manual? >Not me; sorry. Perhaps on funet? Didn't find anything on funet - but I will continue to look. Not much mention of this device at all that I could find via google. >> - Information on how it is used ... What sort of IEEE device does it >> show up as? Is there "special software" that is used with it? etc.? > >Worst case, you could write a quick BASIC program to try OPENing all the >devices from 4 to 31 and see where it responds (once you get the power >issue resolved). Without docs, it'll be hard to tell if there are any >significant secondary addresses, though. Yeah - not that I have a burning desire to communiate at 300bps, but I like to get everything that I collect working ... I did find a couple of references to software for this modem, which I am trying to track down. I've never used an IEEE modem on a PET, so it might be "interesting" to try and figure it out on my own... >Nice find. I've never seen one. Good luck on the hunt for docs. Here's a picture I found ... I will be adding my own pics to my site on the next update (but I just updated it so it will be a while): http://www.commodore.ca/gallery/hardware/pet_acc_coupler1.JPG Regards, Dave -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ .

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NMIH batteries - was: Re: HP 25 and HP55

by dwight.elvey＠amd.com

>From: "Dave Dunfield" <dave04a(a)dunfield.com> > >>>> -- I took apart the 25's battery pack and replaced the nicads with >>>> nickel metal hydride cells (the same ones I use in my camera) >>> >>> Not a good idea. Nickle metal hydrides need different types of >>> charging. The won't last long with a NiCad charging circuit. >> >>I won't charge them in the calculator, they are regular AA cells so I >>can remove them and put them in a proper charger. :^) > >Here's a question for battery guru's ... I have a gadget I built for >preventing "memory effect" in various nicad powered devices - mainly >ones like my Digicams which only discharge the battery 1/2 way (or >less) before complaining that the battery is low. > >It is basically two springy metal bars which lets me put up to 10 AA or >C cells in parallel to discharge (I've got portable @M and 70CM rigs powered >by a C cell pack), an Ammeter, a low resistance, and a stud rectifier diode. > >Basically, it draws about an amp from the cell when they are near fully >changed, and trickles down to nothing as they approach .7ish volts, and >never lets them go to zero. > Hi Actually, NiCad's can be discharged to zero without problems. It is tha back charging in stack, as batteries, that causes the problems. In fact, NiCad's are often shipped with shorting bars across the terminals. >I works REALLY well with nicads - I've got cells that I've been using in >my radios for many years and they still work very well (Prior to using >this, they would noticably lose capacity after a while)... > >But: It doesn't seem to be quite as effective with NMIH cells ... they >still seem to be losing capacity ... These cells shouldn't be discharged to zero. Just different technology. One thing you might try ( as an experiment ). Hit them with a momentary high current load. This is done on NiCad's to improve their performance and may have a similar effect on nickle metal hydrides. It does need to be controlled because like NiCad's, once the burst seal is broken, expect them to be worthless in a few months. Dwight > >Any explaination, comments etc.? > >Regards, >Dave > > >-- >dave04a (at) Dave Dunfield >dunfield (dot) Firmware development services & tools: www.dunfield.com >com Vintage computing equipment collector. > http://www.parse.com/~ddunfield/museum/index.html > > >

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access to BIOS of DECpc

by GOOI＠oce.nl

Hi all, thanks for all the responses, I have some leads now. Here is a report what I tried so far. Searching the Internet, I found the setup files set320p and pwr320p for the DECpc 320P. Alas, the setup allows several items to be configured, but the hard disk is not one of them! Next, I found Ontrack DiskManager versions for IBM and for Microscience, but the IBM version stops because it does not detect a hard disk of their brand. BTW, my 2.5" hard disk is from HP, type C2965A. The Microscience version allows 7 different types to be set, but up till now I did not get satisfactory results. I can get to 50 Mb, but compared to the original hard disk (40Mb) that is not much gain, especially when you think that the C2965A is 420 Mb ...! I also have the version from Western Digital, EZ-Drive (Data Lifeguard) but this version also stops because the disk is not from WD. Not yet tried is a version from Fujitsu, and the version I received from Pete (thanks Pete!). I guess it's clear what I will be doing this weekend :-) thanks for all the help and advice, - Henk, PA8PDP.

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PDP customer on Cleveland, OH needs urgent help

by unibus＠gmail.com

> From: Jay West <jwest(a)huey.classiccmp.org> > Just got a call from a PDP-11/05 customer in Cleveland OH. They are in a > crisis situation due to a dead 11/05. They suspect memory problems but > there may be power supply issues as well. > > If there is anyone local to them with 11/05 parts and or expertise, can > you please call me right away? > > Best number to reach me right now is 314-494-7338 > > This company is willing to pay for help as the 11/05 being down takes > their milling machine down. Probably too far away, but some thoughts. Be careful what cards you pull out as the power supply has a crowbar arrangement that trips if you have too light a load (DC supply line voltage rises above trip point). Case of refer to the manual and check the supply voltages. Relatively easy on the 11/05 if you have the maintenance manual. The processor & power supply can be checked by storing and executing instructions from the general registers. If you can't store/read from front panel you probably have a power supply problem or problems with that logic. If the problem is down to the processor boards you really need a hex width extension card and the maintenance cards to single step the processor. Core memory can be tested and then track down problems with a CRO if you can't board swap your way out of trouble. If caught with dead core and you have the 10-1/2" high processor unit can install later generation MUD then install a MOS memory board. Just have to move the power cabling.

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Hardware (What Interests me....) was : (PDP-8/s on e-bay)

by Pres＠macro-inc.com

At 09:42 PM 10/21/2004, you wrote: > >>> HITS NAIL ON HEAD > >1) I know many hardware hackers who don't know a compiler from a debugger >[Thinking of some of my Ham buddies].... Debugger? Isn't that what printf("at step 2\r\n"); and while(!kbhit()); are for? >2) I tend to hit finger with hammer and from nail. You type good, must not be using hammer much, eh? :-) Ed K.

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NMIH batteries - was: Re: HP 25 and HP55

by dave04a＠dunfield.com

At 06:59 22/10/2004 -0400, you wrote: >At 09:30 PM 10/21/2004, you wrote: >>But: It doesn't seem to be quite as effective with NMIH cells ... they >>still seem to be losing capacity ... >> >>Any explaination, comments etc.? > >NiCad are better than NiMH longevity wise. > >Here's link to place I found helpful in explaining: > >http://www.buchmann.ca/chap10-page1.asp Thanks Ed, Lots of useful information - I normally cycle/discharge the nicads every couple of months - looks like I want to space that out for the NMIH - I did not realize that they had so much less charge/discharge endurance (a fact that the manufacturers seem to have forgotten to mention in their comparisons). Regards, Dave -- dave04a (at) Dave Dunfield dunfield (dot) Firmware development services & tools: www.dunfield.com com Vintage computing equipment collector. http://www.parse.com/~ddunfield/museum/index.html

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NMIH batteries - was: Re: HP 25 and HP55

by dave04a＠dunfield.com

>>> -- I took apart the 25's battery pack and replaced the nicads with >>> nickel metal hydride cells (the same ones I use in my camera) >> >> Not a good idea. Nickle metal hydrides need different types of >> charging. The won't last long with a NiCad charging circuit. > >I won't charge them in the calculator, they are regular AA cells so I >can remove them and put them in a proper charger. :^) Here's a question for battery guru's ... I have a gadget I built for preventing "memory effect" in various nicad powered devices - mainly ones like my Digicams which only discharge the battery 1/2 way (or less) before complaining that the battery is low. It is basically two springy metal bars which lets me put up to 10 AA or C cells in parallel to discharge (I've got portable @M and 70CM rigs powered by a C cell pack), an Ammeter, a low resistance, and a stud rectifier diode. Basically, it draws about an amp from the cell when they are near fully changed, and trickles down to nothing as they approach .7ish volts, and never lets them go to zero. I works REALLY well with nicads - I've got cells that I've been using in my radios for many years and they still work very well (Prior to using this, they would noticably lose capacity after a while)... But: It doesn't seem to be quite as effective with NMIH cells ... they still seem to be losing capacity ... Any explaination, comments etc.? Regards, Dave -- dave04a (at) Dave Dunfield dunfield (dot) Firmware development services & tools: www.dunfield.com com Vintage computing equipment collector. http://www.parse.com/~ddunfield/museum/index.html

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The myth of the memory effect- was: NMIH batteries - was: Re: HP 25 and HP55

by dave04a＠dunfield.com

Thanks for the info on NMIH. >2. NiCD batteries never had a memory effect either! I knew this would spark a thread on the existance or non-existance of memroy effect - I think they are a lot better now than they were (as are chargers), however Nicads (especially older ones) which regularily discharged only partly do lose capacity - I have observed it. >I think what can happen is that some cells discharge a lot sooner than >others, since in the real world the internal R is lower for some cells than >others. Since you are now pulling current *backwards* through at least one >cell in the stack, odd are good that some day one of the cells is going to >reverse on you, and become a highly inefficient inverted battery, one >that's unlikely to ever take an appreciable charge again. This is a >real-world problem for discharge devices that don't have both a timer and a >voltage monitor, and some ever sense temperature too. Yup - best way to kill a nicad "pack" is to fully discharge it - that is why I use individual cells, and discharge them in parallel through a diode - no cell ever goes below .7v. >Here's a battery maker saying No Memory Effect in currently produced product. Ah - the catch phrase is "currently produced" - As I indicated above, I think things have improved... but the Nicad cells I am using are 10+ years old. I can provide references to manufacturers telling you to be sure and fully discharge your cells from time to time as well ... it's a question that is still being debated, and nobody is going to convince anyone else either way - my personal experience is that calls which are carefully charged, and just a carefully full-discharged retain their capacity and last a lot longer than cells which are not fully discharged... Agreed thad modern NMIH cells do not seem nearly as "sensitive". YMMV. But ... we drift OT ... thanks for you input. Regards, Dave -- dave04a (at) Dave Dunfield dunfield (dot) Firmware development services & tools: www.dunfield.com com Vintage computing equipment collector. http://www.parse.com/~ddunfield/museum/index.html

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Classic OS's - EduSystem

by unibus＠gmail.com

> From: "John A. Dundas III" <dundas(a)caltech.edu> > In a bit of a follow-up to myself, I managed to locate one of the > mark-sense cards and the template I referred to earlier. Some > (crude) pictures may be view of each of theses at: > > <http://dundas-mac.caltech.edu/~dundas/retro/mark-sense.html> Very similar to the cards we used but not quite the same. Think the main body of the card was different. Unfortunately I can't lay my hands on a sample. Regards, Garry

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SGI monitors/kb/mice etc - anybody need 'em?

by Arno_1983＠gmx.de

Hello everybody, as ISTR from some discussions, SGI human interface devices are not easily replaceable by anything else and are in some demand because it is not unusual for a machine to arrive sans keyboard, mouse and/or monitor. University is decommissioning its SGI gear, so I have a chance to grab the following: Keyboard SGI No. 062-0002-001 Type RT6856T (2x) Mouse SGI No. 063-0009-001 (2x) Monitor (Type designation not available) (2x) Camera SGI No. 013-1577-001 (2x) Makes two complete installations minus the computers. These are long gone, so this is headed for the dumpster unless I call in. I'm not into SGI stuff yet, so it doesn't make much sense to keep it myself (unless somebody throws in a CPU for me :-) ), but I thought I'd offer it here. Don't know how much demand there'll be, so I see what comes in and then decide where it goes. This is basically give-away + s&h (I just wanna save it from the scrapper), but counter-gifts will not be rejected. Shipping is an issue (the monitors are big and quite heavy!), so local pickup is preferred. Er, yes, local to Erlangen University, Northern Bavaria, Germany, Europe. Yours sincerely -- Arno Kletzander Stud. Hilfskraft Informatik Sammlung Erlangen www.iser.uni-erlangen.de +++ GMX DSL Premiumtarife 3 Monate gratis* + WLAN-Router 0,- EUR* +++ Clevere DSL-Nutzer wechseln jetzt zu GMX: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/dsl

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OT: HP PA-8500 vs. AMD Opteron

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

Sorry for the off-topicness... I googled to find a comparison between these two chips with regards to relative performance and can't find anything. Can anyone point to a spot that has some definitive comparisons between the two? Figured someone here might know... Jay

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How to connect ASR-33 to a PDP-11 DZ11 Panel

by wacarder＠usit.net

I have successfully hooked up multiple terminals (two VT52s and an LA36) to my PDP-11/34 using an EIA DZ11 (M7819), and they are all working perfectly on my RSTS/E V7 system, which I SYSGENed for two DZ11s. I have also installed a 20mA DZ11 (M7814) and its associated distribution panel and now I'm ready to hook up a 20mA VT52 and an ASR-33 teletype. I have good documentation on the VT52 and how to get it connected, but the documentation that I have on the ASR-33 does not seem to show how to connect it to a computer. Can someone who has done this before give me some pointers? This surely is a trivial task, but I have not dug deeply enough into the documentation to find out how to do this yet. My ASR-33 works fine in local mode, punches and reads paper tape just fine, and now I want to hook it up to my system. Thanks for any help that anyone can provide. Ashley

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looking for pdp-11 assembler book

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

I'm looking for a particular book.... "PDP-11 Assembler Language Programming and Machine Organization" by Michael Singer, softcover I want this particular one for nostalgic reasons, it's the book I learned macro-11 on. I saw a copy on ebay, got outbid (so far), but it's with two other books I don't want. So before bidding further, I thought I'd see if someone has an extra copy for sale or trade. You can see a picture of the particular book above by going to ebay item 5131747255 it's the black (with blue/red/green splotches) book on the left. If anyone has an extra, please let me know! Jay West

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5 1/4" hard-sectored disk..

by jim＠smithy.com

I have some 5 1/4" hard-sectored disks that contain CPU microcode. They aren't 'formatted' with a filesystem, but are read with a simple board that contains some 9602's, a shift register, and a Z80. A dilemma: should I try to intercept the data from the board, write it to flash memory, and build a board to replace the whole Z80/hard-sectored disk thing, *or* try to build something to write the data stream out to another 5 1/4" disk. The Z80 doesn't care about the sector pulses - only the index pulse. So I could get away with a standard floppy instead of a hard-sectored one. The disk thing would allow me to keep using the original hardware, which would be nice, but I don't know the first thing about attempting to write the data stream back to the disk. I have no backups of the microcode disk, and no way to replace it when it dies. Every time I fire the thing up I feel I'm getting a little closer to it's death... Jim

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Hardware (What Interests me....) was : (PDP-8/s on e-bay)

by dave04a＠dunfield.com

>But then it still amazes me that I know many programmers who don't own a >'scope or soldering iron (and wouldn't really know how to use them >anyway), but I don't know a single hardware hacker who doesn't have a C >compiler and know how to use it. The best hardware guy I know (by a lot) barely does any software - doesn't know (or have) C, but has been known to do a quick-and-dirty BASIC program when he has to. He does however understand low-level software and how it relates to hardware very well - he has an uncanny abiilty to find the lowest cost way to implement something and still make it "reasonable" from a software point of view. [I'm officially a software guy, but I have 3 scopes and a couple of soldering stations (even a desoldering station) - but I do agree: most software guys I know are not like that] Regards, Dave -- dave04a (at) Dave Dunfield dunfield (dot) Firmware development services & tools: www.dunfield.com com Vintage computing equipment collector. http://www.parse.com/~ddunfield/museum/index.html

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Flash ADC selection, or other approach?

by aek＠spies.com

The PC approach is to somehow wangle the five ADCs into the PC such that it will accept the 65536 5-byte (5-nybble) samples with ZERO LATENCY. -- The design I did for the analog 9 track data aquisition board uses five Analog Devices 10 bit dual 10megasample A/D's. These have parallel outs, and are synchronous (designed for direct IF amplifier digitization). The five are multiplexed into a FIFO which interfaces to a 40 pin cable to a PCI DMA IDE card. So, you end up with a ten channel synchronous data stream with a protocol that just looks like chained IDE DMAs.

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Classic OS's

by aek＠spies.com

Shorewood High School to a DEC timesharing system at the UW-Milwaukee... -- That was the system... Run by Prof. Len Levine, Richard Bartlein, Sam Millosovich and several waves of student volunteers (incl me..) Len gave pretty much anyone in Milwaukee an account that asked. He was responsible for a lot of folks in the SE Wisconsin area having their first exposure to computers. The User's Manual for UWM's TSS/8 is up at www.bitsavers.org/pdf/uwMilwaukee/UWM_TSS8_UsersGuide_Jul74.pdf

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Classic OS's

by aek＠spies.com

> Other than software for the PDP-8 was there any low cost time sharing systems > that you can still find software for? "low cost time sharing system" was almost an oxymoron in the 60's and early 70's Both the cost of core, and for mass storage devices kept computer configurations capable of timesharing pretty expensive. TSS-8 was probably the first timesharing system for $50,000. As I recall, the final configuration of the TSS/8 system I used at the University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee was closer to $100K by the time we added the KL8/E's and RK05's. Early RSTS (originally called Edusystem-100) was somewhat less expensive, but the pre RSTS/E systems were pretty limited. There are a few other timesharing systems from the 60s for which software has been found that I'm aware of: Some bits of CTSS at Paul Pierce's web site Some of the MIT PDP-1 timesharing system The SDS-940 GENIE timesharing system The BCC-500 timesharing system. (I just received permission to release this) The Oregon State University OS-3 CDC 3300 timesharing system. CAL-TSS for the CDC 6400 may be on some 7 track tapes that were just given to Paul Pierce to read. There is also the software available for Hercules (TSS-360, for example)

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Difference 23512 and 27512 Eprom

by birs23＠zeelandnet.nl

Hi, I know very little about electronics and eproms so this question might be really easy. I would like to know what the difference is between a 23512 eprom and a 27512 and if there are any differences if its possible to make some sort of adapter. Had a look at some schematics and they looked the same to me, data lines on the same pins etc. Any help is welcome. Ow the reason I want to know this is that I want to read some old roms in my EPROM reader. Cheers, Stefan.

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Semi-OT: Virtual PC 7 on Mac OS X

by cb＠mythtech.net

>I believe you have to have the VPC extensions for the OS, and that MS-DOS >isn't a supported OS under VPC7. I bypass this by having a virtual D: Drive >for DOS and Win98, and booting the Win98 system when I need to copy files >from the Mac to DOS. I could do it under WinXP, but that would interrupt >what I have running there, and it takes a lot longer for XP to boot (or >shutdown). Yes, I do believe VPC came with drivers to do it under DOS. Gee, and Connectix swore that MS was not going to bastardize VPC. The first official MS release and suddenly they don't support old MS operating systems. What else do they conviently not support? I am curious if the old VPC drivers would work with the new version. Maybe all they did was stop releasing the driver set. Do you have an older version of VPC? I have the 2.0 CD here and it comes with a VPC drive file that contains DOS drivers for folder sharing, CD access, and S3 video drivers for Win3.1. Alas, the file is 20 MB so a little big to email to you (I could stick it on an FTP site if you want). I have NO idea if these drivers would work with VPC 7 or not. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Anyone driving from Boston area to VCF West?

by brian＠quarterbyte.com

Hi, Is anyone from the Boston area going to be driving to the west coast for the VCF, or for any other reason, anytime in the forseeable future? I'm trying to get a TTY model 40 printer a hitchhike out here. Thanks, Brian =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- _| _| _| Brian Knittel _| _| _| Quarterbyte Systems, Inc. _| _| _| Tel: 1-510-559-7930 _| _| _| Fax: 1-510-525-6889 _| _| _| Email: brian(a)quarterbyte.com _| _| _| http://www.quarterbyte.com

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Semi-OT: Virtual PC 7 on Mac OS X

by williams.dan＠gmail.com

On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 21:58:43 -0700, Zane H. Healy <healyzh(a)aracnet.com> wrote: > Does anyone have any experience running MS-DOS 6.22 on VPC? I've > managed to get Win3.1 running in SVGA mode at 600x800, and I've got > some of my old DOS software copied over. > > What I really want to know how to do is access the CD-ROM, Ethernet > Card, and if possible get video drivers for the S3 card that VPC > emulates. Oh, and I need a mouse driver for the PS/2 Mouse so I can > run a couple games :^) > > In case anyone cares, so far I've gotten the following working: > AROS > BeOS 4.5 > BeOS Max > MS-DOS 6.22/Win 3.1 > Windows 98SE > Windows XP Pro SP2 (it came with this, so it had better work) > > Obviously only Win98 and WinXP support the cooler features such as > mapping folders on the Mac as network drives, and printing to the Mac > printer. > > Zane > > -- > -- > | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | > | healyzh(a)aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | > | | Classic Computer Collector | > +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ > | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | > | PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. | > | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ | > After reading these posts I feel I have to point out windows has to be the easiest way to have vms and cp/m running on the same desktop (no flames). cp/m-86 runs great under vpc on windows. Also the most important thing I can play leisure suit larry and both police and space quest as well which I could barely do under 98.. I assume these would still work using a mac. Dan

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[Milsurplus] Relay Racks (fwd)

by jpl15＠panix.com

For the general interest of folks who might be generally interested... ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 16:25:40 EDT From: K2CBY(a)aol.com To: milsurplus(a)mailman.qth.net Subject: [Milsurplus] Relay Racks For list members in the New York City - Long Island area. There's a guy in western Suffolk County who has a large number of high quality 19-inch relay racks for sale in good condition at very reasonable prices. The only downside is they have to be picked up in person. Contact Thomas Maerz at _tmishear(a)aol.com_ (mailto:tmishear@aol.com) or (516) 790-8846. Miles Anderson, K2CBY 16 Round Pond Lane Sag Harbor, NY 11963 ______________________________________________________________ Milsurplus mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/milsurplus Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Milsurplus@mailman.qth.net

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5 1/4" hard-sectored disk..

by dwight.elvey＠amd.com

Hi Jim It might be a good idea to check the clock rate of the data from the disk. If it is that standard 2 uS, per pulse, one can read it with most any hard sectored controller. ( Heathkit H89 comes to mind ) Getting the data from the disk is the first step. Most everything after that is just choice of implementation. Dwight >From: "Jim Donoghue" <jim(a)smithy.com> > >I have some 5 1/4" hard-sectored disks that contain CPU microcode. They >aren't 'formatted' with a filesystem, but are read with a simple board >that contains some 9602's, a shift register, and a Z80. A dilemma: >should I try to intercept the data from the board, write it to flash >memory, and build a board to replace the whole Z80/hard-sectored disk >thing, *or* try to build something to write the data stream out to >another 5 1/4" disk. The Z80 doesn't care about the sector pulses - only >the index pulse. So I could get away with a standard floppy instead of a >hard-sectored one. > >The disk thing would allow me to keep using the original hardware, which >would be nice, but I don't know the first thing about attempting to >write the data stream back to the disk. > >I have no backups of the microcode disk, and no way to replace it when >it dies. Every time I fire the thing up I feel I'm getting a little >closer to it's death... > >Jim > > >

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Difference 23512 and 27512 Eprom

by dwight.elvey＠amd.com

>From: birs23(a)zeelandnet.nl > >Hi, > >I know very little about electronics and eproms so this question might be >really easy. I would like to know what the difference is between a 23512 >eprom and a 27512 and if there are any differences if its possible to make >some sort of adapter. Had a look at some schematics and they looked the >same to me, data lines on the same pins etc. > >Any help is welcome. > >Ow the reason I want to know this is that I want to read some old roms in >my EPROM reader. > >Cheers, > >Stefan. > > Hi I think that the 23512 is a EEPROM and the 27512 would be a normal EPROM. The biggest issue is what to do with the programming voltage and any auto type sensing. Most newer programmers have a way to set the programming voltage to 5V instead of what ever. They also usually include some way to turn off the auto sense that would otherwise bring one of the pins to a higher than normal voltage. If those two conditions are met, you should be able to read the 23512. If there are issues with the select lines being inverted between the two, I often stack two machine pin sockets. I then can cross wire what I want by either popping out an unwanted pin or breaking off the tip of one that I don't want to have connected. For these two parts, I believe that the address and data line match. Note that many programmers keep the programming voltage high, even when reading since the newer EPROMs are strobed with a TTL level input for programming. So look out for this. Even if you don't tell it to program, it can have an unexpected high voltage on one of the pins. Dwight Dwight

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OK, all you beige-box people in S. Calif (USA)

by tomj＠wps.com

Sorry for the tease, it's not really that interesting. At UC (Univ. Calif.) Irvine surplus is a smallish pile of PC and Apple goodies. This inventory is from my faulty memory, don't blame me... I just got a working HP 6MP printer for $20, disturbingly, half the cost of repairing my LaserJet 4 (the ordinary rear rollers crumpling sheets problem). Parallel and appletalk interfaces. A few more, 5mp and 6mp left. One with a stuck switch but seemed to work. Got a P120 for $15, works, HDD, flop, CDR, few megs RAM, and the XVGA PCI card I need to repair another machine. A bunch (dozen) of Apple LaserWriters, 16/600? Bunch of iMac type monitors, 17"? 19"? Apple. A few P120, 486 machines, hard disks, two flavors floppy, CDRs. Eh. Some Syquest drives, ext cabs with SCSI, about 4? 6? 8? Some bunch of other removable high-capacity media, JAZ or whatever, I don't look at beige objects generally. It's all "sanitary landfill" (sic) to me. Assante? Ethernet cards, nuBUS? One with manual, a small thing with little ables and aadapters, one was bigger. I barely looked. Prices are CHEEP. Much of the stuff works, it was dumped by some department upgrading. Open Tuesdays and Thursdays, only, 10am - 1pm, and 2pm - 5pm. Cash. Open to the public. Mostly junky furniture, very little tech. Behind UCI North Campus complex (little cluster of low buildings), on Jamboree, about 100 ft west of Campus Drive, Irvine. Arrive from route 73, exit Jamboree or Campus.

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Excercising vintage items - was: Commodore 8010 IEEE-488

by dave04a＠dunfield.com

At 14:34 21/10/2004 +0000, you wrote: >On Thu, 2004-10-21 at 07:39 -0400, Dave Dunfield wrote: >> Anything you would add? > >The comment made recently about memory drawing excess current if inputs >are left floating is interesting though. Proof that you do need to know >about the system you're testing as taking the modular approach to >powering up doesn't always work and might actually do more harm than >good. Thats true, and there are other concerns - I've seen devices which go thermo if there's no clock! - Thats why I do this only if I can't test the power supply separately, and only power it very briefly - long enough to verify the power rails. >The other thing I'd add to that is to always use a dummy form of mass >storage in place of any real media, even after you're confident that the >power supply is OK - just in case on first full boot the system decides >to stomp all over the media. Good point - I always disconnect drives etc. at first power-up, but one area where I've seen people have trouble is in floppy disks - DON'T USE THE MASTER DISKETTE ON FIRST ATTEMPT TO BOOT! I always try to find ways to backup the disks and boot from a copy if at all possible. I just got a Kaypro in where the guy had tried to boot it after it had sat for a number of years, got a loud shrieking noise after which the boot disk was missing a band of oxide - Fortunately, he had the sense not to try another disk. Regards, Dave-- dave04a (at) Dave Dunfield dunfield (dot) Firmware development services & tools: www.dunfield.com com Vintage computing equipment collector. http://www.parse.com/~ddunfield/museum/index.html

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Classic OS's - EduSystem

by unibus＠gmail.com

> Thus wrote dundas(a)caltech.edu: > > > Which reminds me there used to be a series of "EduSystems" for the PDP-8 > > as I recall. -25, -30, etc. The one I used was TU-55/-56 based, though > > one or more might well have been disk-based. Have any of these been > > recovered? > > Hmmm. Somewhere around here [*] I've got paper tapes of Edu-20 and > Edu-20-C, both BASIC multiuser systems for 8K+ PDP-8s. They were both for > paper-tape-only systems, say schools that could only afford the basic 8K > machine and a few Teletypes. (The Edu-20-C was basically an Edu-20 system > which could use Edu-25 commands.) Seem to remember RMIT's EduSystem used mark-sense cards as the Tech College couldn't afford the the teletype/papertape configuration. Was there a -15 version? Regards, Garry Page

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access to BIOS of DECpc

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Oct 21 2004, 10:10, Devon wrote: > I've used a copy of Ontrack Disk Manager (~version 4?) from Seagate and it > works with any brand drive. [ ... ] > > --------Original Message--------- > Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 09:52:29 +0200 > From: Gooijen H <GOOI(a)oce.nl> > Subject: RE: access to BIOS of DECpc > > The disk manager was a good idea, I have one old 486 PC with a big > Western Digital drive, too big to be supported by the BIOS, and the > EZ-DRIVE disk manager works perfectly here. > However, EZ-DRIVE only accepts to work with Western Digital drives, > and the 2.5" hard disk that I have is from HP. The disk manager > also wants certain settings for the hard disk in the BIOS ... I've mailed Henk a copy of Ontrack Disk Manager. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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"Compact" tape drive?

by Pres＠macro-inc.com

And for the grand prize -- name the style of this tape drive! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=5132851939&ssPageNa… My guess is, "Compact". :-) Ed K.

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access to BIOS of DECpc

by GOOI＠oce.nl

I found the SET320P.EXE program on the COMPAQ site, and it allows several items 'normally' found in a BIOS to be manipulated. Alas, there is no field to change the hard drive parameters nor the type! The disk manager was a good idea, I have one old 486 PC with a big Western Digital drive, too big to be supported by the BIOS, and the EZ-DRIVE disk manager works perfectly here. However, EZ-DRIVE only accepts to work with Western Digital drives, and the 2.5" hard disk that I have is from HP. The disk manager also wants certain settings for the hard disk in the BIOS ... Still not giving up / one more try: could somebody point me to a site that has a non-commercial disk manager (for HP or not restricted to specific HDDs) or even better e-mail a ZIP with such disk manager? TIA, - Henk, PA8PDP. > -----Original Message----- > From: cctalk-bounces(a)classiccmp.org > [mailto:cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Dr. Ido > Sent: woensdag 20 oktober 2004 13:18 > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > Subject: RE: access to BIOS of DECpc > > > At 01:16 PM 10/20/04 +0200, you wrote: > > Thanks Dan, > > > >I feel a bit silly, but it was late last night is my excuse. > >"DECpc 320P" in Google gave a link to floppy images on a COMPAQ site. > >I will try them this evening, but it is good to know that the DECpc > >"knows" a limited number of hard disks. If I can 'upgrade' to some > >300 Mb of the 420 Mb capacity it is still better than the 40 Mb that > >I have available at this point. > > If none of the drive types in the BIOS are a close match for > the HDD you want to use you could use a disk manager. > > >From memory they are still available on the Maxtor and Seagate > websites, but of course those version only work with Maxtor/Seagate > HDDs. There were commercial versions that weren't restricted to > specific HDDs, but I wouldn't know where to find them. > > I've used them before when I've had no other option, they work ok > with DOS/Win9x, no idea about other OS's.

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