We're all wrong! Tantalums don't "fail" -- that's not zero-ohms
you measure across the two mangled pins -- it's INFINITE
CAPACITANCE!
I estimate my little 47uF/35VDC tant must now be, oh, a TF
or more (teraFarad). Of course it blows the 5amp fuse in the
power supply! The TC is measured in YEARS...
There's no other explanation possible.
None.
I am not listening to you.
The "Modern Marvels" series (History Channel) is showing this special episode
again. Here on the east coast, it's beginning... right now (7pm).
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Does anyone have the last few pages of the DF32 (not DF32D) manual? I
was specifically interested in the board used to display track
selection, etc, for the diskless tests. IIRC, it's on like page 6-41,
and the copy of the DF32 maint manual on bitsavers only goes up to
6-37.
Thanks,
-ethan
having a hard time finding this manual....I waz wondering if i can get a copy from you if still around...thanks steve peddle
>From cctech(a)classiccmp.org Wed Dec 11 09:28:49 2002
From: cctech(a)classiccmp.org (Rich Beaudry)
Date: Wed Dec 11 09:28:49 2002
Subject: MPF-1 Manuals
Message-ID: <F97DF7WCI5TrcDd4ism0000783a(a)hotmail.com>
Hello all,
I just changed jobs, and the new place has a *TOTAL* lockdown on web
browsing, even for the engineers, so I have not been keeping track of the
list.
I was catching up tonight from home, and saw Adrian's note about me and the
MPF-1. I indeed have one, with manuals, and would be happy to make copies
for whoever needs them. Please email me off-list, and we can set it up.
One small caveat: I have a metric crapload of things going on, so it may be
a few *weeks* before I can get to it. If you can wait, I can make copies...
:-)
Rich B.
I have a Syquest 44MB internal drive, model SQ555, which came with
an enclosure that I picked up. I don't know the status of the drive
but it is free for the price of shipping to the first person to
claim it...
--tom
For what it's worth there is a manual for the Votrax Type N Talk at the URL below, I believe they used the same speech chip (SC-01). Crap, I had a Votrax PSS about 4 years ago and sold it for pennies on the dollar!
http://members.aol.com/itsancientpics3/votraxmanual.htm
There is also a neat piece of DOS software to read the screen through a PSS at: http://park.org/Guests/Trace/pavilion/dosshar1.htm
Sorry, that's all I can come up with.
Gary Fisher
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Original Message Follows:
Message: 35
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 19:53:07 -0500
From: "Jonathan Gevaryahu" <jgevaryahu(a)hotmail.com>
Subject: wanted: Votrax PSS manual
To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
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I recently obtained a Votrax Personal Speech System which unfortunately for
me, did not include the power supply or the manual.
Thanks to Robert Stek's informative post
(http://www.classiccmp.org/pipermail/cctech/2003-February/010608.html) on
this list in Feb '03, I am in the process of constructing a power supply for
it.
(i.e. I eBayed a 28VAC transformer and am using an 18.5VDC laptop power
supply instead of 20VDC which HOPEFULLY won't hurt anything, until I find a
satisfactory 20VDC power supply, and am cannibalizing a DIN-5 connector from
a dead keyboard)
However, I still lack a copy of the PSS's manual, so I can't figure out how
to set the various device modes, to control the AY-3-8910 audio generator
chip, etc.
If anyone here has the manual for the Votrax Personal Speech System and has
some means to scan or digitize it (a digital camera will work) can they post
or send me a copy of the images? It would be very much appreciated.
Jonathan Gevaryahu
Does anyone happen to know anything about obscure sizes of tractor-feed
paper?
We've now got the console typewriter of the PDP-1 at the Computer History
Museum working correctly. It is an IBM Model B electric typewriter
modified by Soroban Engineering for use as an I/O device. Soroban added
an encoder and a decoder mechanism, using switches, solenoids, bails, etc.
There was a bent leaf switch contact that resulted in incorrect character
codes on input, and two stuck solenoids that resulted in incorrect
characters typed.
Anyhow, the typewriter will accept individual sheets, but it also has
tractors for continuous forms. But the distance between the sprockets
is approximately 13 1/8", which is narrower than the sprocket spacing
of standard line-printer paper.
A Google search reveals plenty of places that sell 9 1/2" wide or
14 7/8" wide continuous forms, but are other sizes readily available?
Thanks!
Eric Smith
volunteer, Computer History Museum PDP-1 Restoration Project
http://pdp-1.org/
Hi everybody,
the information technology "museum" at Erlangen University (for which I work
part-time) will be aquiring two HP 1000 systems in the near future, an A600+
in a 16-slot cardcage with a "piano-seat" disk/tape unit (7912P) and an A700
in a big cabinet with rackmount storage (7908 and 7912). I'd really like to
have them arrive undamaged.
As noted in the archives, there should be a shipping lock on these drives
(see http://www.classiccmp.org/pipermail/cctech/2003-April/013531.html).
We've already received the documentation for the system, but obviously the
now important parts (Disc Drive Installation Manuals 07908-90902 and
07912-90902) are missing. Some Google activation brought up several sellers
of used drives along with a few classiccmp threads, but no online copy of
the manual.
Can somebody please tell me how to properly prepare the drives for
transport? From what I read here, they're not very reliable anyway, but one
doesn't need to make matters worse. They're in a building just across the
yard, but as I always need to coordinate three parties to do something
there, it would be best to know what to do *before* actually poking around
in the cabinets.
Your instructions (or redirections to web resources) will be sincerely
appreciated.
--
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What do you folks make of this site?
http://free-game-downloads.mosw.com/
That have a bunch of software for download. Some of it is Abandonware.
Or at least it's claimed to be Abandonware. How do we know it's
Abandonware? They have nothing on their site (that I could find) that
confirms that these are abandonware, and there are thousands of titles
there.
They want money if you want to download anything. I can understand them
wanting to cover their costs, but this seems pretty sleazy to me.
Opinions?
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I recently obtained a Votrax Personal Speech System which unfortunately for
me, did not include the power supply or the manual.
Thanks to Robert Stek's informative post
(http://www.classiccmp.org/pipermail/cctech/2003-February/010608.html) on
this list in Feb '03, I am in the process of constructing a power supply for
it.
(i.e. I eBayed a 28VAC transformer and am using an 18.5VDC laptop power
supply instead of 20VDC which HOPEFULLY won't hurt anything, until I find a
satisfactory 20VDC power supply, and am cannibalizing a DIN-5 connector from
a dead keyboard)
However, I still lack a copy of the PSS's manual, so I can't figure out how
to set the various device modes, to control the AY-3-8910 audio generator
chip, etc.
If anyone here has the manual for the Votrax Personal Speech System and has
some means to scan or digitize it (a digital camera will work) can they post
or send me a copy of the images? It would be very much appreciated.
Jonathan Gevaryahu
P.S. I'm sorry if this message gets onto the list multiple times, I
initially sent it to cctech from my comcast account with a different return
address, and I thought it had been 'moderated to death'. So I sent it to
cctalk instead, with the same account... and my message still never showed
up. (I guess classiccmp.org is rejecting all comcast mail as spam or
something nasty like that) So now, I'm sending it through hotmail, and I
HOPE it gets through...
On Dec 21 2004, 16:38, Joe R. wrote:
> Can anyone id this cable?
> <http://www.classiccmp.org/hp/cable/Mvc-002f.jpg> It looks DEC-ish
but it
> has fewer pins (24) than the DEC HP-IB cables.
24 pins makes sense for HP-IB/GP-IB, and the "piggy-back" connector
looks right, but the other end doesn't look like the DEC GP-IB cable
for my IBV-11, either. Is there a part number on either of those white
labels that are visible near the ends?
--
Pete Peter Turnbull
Network Manager
University of York
Hello,
I was looking for MaxxBoxxes when I came across your Musings. I was
curious if you had ever found one? And if I may ask, where have you
been looking?
Thanks,
Chris Browder
(-AIM-) Vdubbed83 )
(-Homepage-) http://homepage.mac.com/kcfoxie/ )
--
"Total everything up and you may be surprised (but probably not) to
find that Apple spent at least three-quarters of 2004 being officially
late with one or more products... And since everything Apple does is,
by definition, the height of fashion and the epitome of cool, obviously
"late" is the new black." -J. Miller, www.appleturns.com
Hi all!
I was just wondering if anyone on here knows what (if any) hacks have
ever been done to a Philips/Magnavox VideoWriter? I was mainly wondering
if anyone has ever been able to get any other operating system (namely
CP/M) working on these boxes.
David M. Vohs
Digital Archaeologist & Computer Historian
Computer Collection:
"Triumph": Commodore 64, 1802, 1541, Indus GT, FDD-1, GeoRAM 512, MPS-801.
"Leela": Original Apple Macintosh, Imagewriter II.
"Delorean": TI-99/4A, TI Speech Synthesizer.
"Spectrum": Tandy Color Computer III.
"Monolith": Apple Macintosh Portable.
"Boombox": Sharp PC-7000.
"Butterfly": Tandy 200, PDD-2.
"Shapeshifter": Epson QX-10, Comrex HDD, Titan graphics/MS-DOS board.
"Scout": Otrona Attache.
(prospective) "Pioneer": Apple LISA II
(prospective) "Mercury": HP-85.
(prospective) "Evolver": Commodore Amiga 2000
"TMA-1": Atari Portfolio, Memory Expander +
I now have 7 of these liberator 220's. I don't have the cables yet to
test them, or even know if the cables I have coming will work.
Looking inside the cases they have 2 full height drives in there. They
are standard 50 pin scsi drives.
The two drives connect to what has to be a scsi-->dssi board. This is
making me think that could change these drives for something bigger.
But if anyone knows more about these I would love to know. I was
wondering if the two drives inside are mirrored or in an array. The
arey in a rack all daisy-chained together, unless someone has messed
about with it, I thought dssi was max 7 devices.
They also have a programmable front panel, with no instructions and
just three buttons. Does anyone know how this works.
Also does anyone know how the speed of these compare to standad dssi drives.
This is going to go great on the 4000/705a. It would be nice if I
could swap a couple of the drives for 18gb.
Apologies if you read them, I have asked the same questions on both
vms and dec newsgroups.
Thanks
Dan
On Dec 21 2004, 22:39, Gooijen H wrote:
> > Pete wrote:
> > ... when my department gets its big scanner, probably in January
> > (Sorry, Henk, it's not an Oce).
>
> I hate to go off-topic for a moment, but I can't resist here,
> I am very loyal / pro-minded to my employer :~) <shameless plug>
> Does your scanner do 55 pages Letter or A4 size (1-sided per minute,
> or 27 ditto (2-sided) automatically at 600 DPI ?
No, I don't know the actual figures, but the one we had on eval seemed,
subjectively, about 2/3 or maybe 3/4 of that speed. It's an HP, but I
can't remember the model number either. You have to understand that it
was a huge battle getting any scanner at all in our department!
> And besides, the software that moves the scanner carriage was
entirely
> written by me! For the mechanics under us: the carriage accelerates
> to approx 1 m/s in 33 msec!
> Don't ask what happened after I made a mistake in the path
calculation
> software and tried to run that code on the engineering prototype (way
> back in 1994) ...! I was not the only one unhappy with the results!!
When I worked in CompSci, we got a big fast Oce scanner/copier, about
1997, I think. One of those that collects the output internally,
safely away from fingers, because the paper goes fast enough to cut
fingers off if they're not out of the way. I remember the first print
job I sent it, a large A4 manual printed from a PDF file. I walked the
length of the corridor to the print room, saw no output, and was
slightly surprised -- for about 3 seconds, when a *large* block of
paper was neatly deposited on the output tray.
> LOL, this (..) is typical "Pete humor".
(Yeah, I must do something about those () keys as well).
--
Pete Peter Turnbull
Network Manager
University of York
Hi
From the looks of the back, it is one of the battery backed
units as well. I suspect that the front panel lights come
on but nothing works, like my unit did until I learned
the resistor in the connector trick.
Dwight
>From: "Joe R." <rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com>
>
> He certainly hasn't found your website, has he Al? At least he's not
>claiming that it's "complete and fully functional" like the seller of that
>recent F-series 1000 did.
>
> Joe
>
>
>
>At 08:59 AM 12/21/04 -0800, Al wrote:
>>
>>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1247&item=5150357271
>>
>>"A shroud of mystery hangs over the history and specification of this
>classic computer system."
>>
>>--
>>
>>Good thing he wasn't trying to sell something was really WAS obscure.
>>
>>
>
>
> Pete wrote:
> ... when my department gets its big scanner, probably in January
> (Sorry, Henk, it's not an Oce).
I hate to go off-topic for a moment, but I can't resist here,
I am very loyal / pro-minded to my employer :~) <shameless plug>
Does your scanner do 55 pages Letter or A4 size (1-sided per minute,
or 27 ditto (2-sided) automatically at 600 DPI ?
And besides, the software that moves the scanner carriage was entirely
written by me! For the mechanics under us: the carriage accelerates
to approx 1 m/s in 33 msec!
Don't ask what happened after I made a mistake in the path calculation
software and tried to run that code on the engineering prototype (way
back in 1994) ...! I was not the only one unhappy with the results!!
> Sorry about the spelling and dropped characters in my last post, BTW.
> Must fix this keyboard (right after I fix these fingers).
LOL, this (..) is typical "Pete humor".
- Henk.
Hi All,
Can anyone id this cable?
<http://www.classiccmp.org/hp/cable/Mvc-002f.jpg> It looks DEC-ish but it
has fewer pins (24) than the DEC HP-IB cables. I keep finding these but
I've never found them on the equipment that they're made for. Right now I
have four of them, 2 are made from Belden cables, one for a HP cable and
the other doesn't have a manufactures name.
Thanks and Happy Holidays,
Joe
Ok, I checked.
I am that fast back because I remembered exactly where to look :~)
I have one before me on the desk.
It has the following description:
PRODUCT CODE: AC-8528C-MC
PRODUCT NAME: CZDLDC0 DL11-W DIAG
DATE CREATED: MARCH 1978
MAINTAINER : DIAGNOSTIC ENGINEERING
AUTHOR : DAN CASALETTO
Don't be fooled, it is printed on Letter format, 2-sided!
Only the first 6 pages are one page per side, all the following
pages are scaled: 2 pages per side, thus 4 pages (or images) per sheet.
The first 6 pages describe the load and start procedure, the switch
bits to get special functions, etc. just as described on my site.
The scaled pages contain the assembly source (output) listing ...
they are numbered from "seq 0012"up to "seq 0103", and I checked,
the numbering is not octal but decimal!
If there is interest I could start to scan these to 600 dpi PDF files,
but I have a stack of approx 20-30 cm high, so that will be a lot MB's!
I could start making a list of what's in the box. Xmas is coming :~)
- Henk.
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk-bounces(a)classiccmp.org
To: info-pdp11(a)village.org; General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Sent: 21-12-2004 17:27
Subject: Old Unibus PDP-11 XXDP diagnostics
Does anyone have any info/documentation on the XXDP diagnostics for
older PDP-11 systems and peripherals? I'm looking in particular for the
11/40 (11/35), RK05, DZ11, RL02, MM11 core memory, RX01, RL01
diagnostics. I have found some info on Henk's site, but would like to
know if anyone has a comprehensive list and hints on how to run these,
what the output means, how to answer the prompts, etc.
I have created RL02 packs with XXDP 2.5 and XXDP 2.2 and I can boot and
run stuff from these packs. It appears that the 11/40 diagnostics are
on XXDP 2.2, but not on XXDP 2.5. I have an old 1976 DEC field rep
troubleshooting guide that refers to various MAINDECs, which seem to
have been the diagnostics prior to XXDP. Is there a list somewhere
showing what the XXDP equivalents of the old MAINDECs are?
Any help would be appreciated. I want to exercise my 11/40 and attached
peripherals and see if any subtle gremlins are lurking anywhere within.
Everything appears to be working perfectly with the exception of one of
my three RK05 drives that I knew was problematic.
Ashley
Ok, I have looked around in the documents for Angelfire, at other sites
and I am still having problems getting this..
<a href="download/RockScissorPaper.dmg">RockScissorPaper</a>
trys to download RockScissorsPaper.HTML when I click it (the html I
actually get
is angelfire's 404 page)
phhht.
What is the "right" way to make a file available on my web page?
I could go and check ... AFAICR I also have a stack of listings that
belong to XXDP programs. When a stop/halt occurs at an address, you
read the listing of the XXDP diagnostic program to learn near the
address where the stop occurred for what reason that stop occurred.
I'll report back later!
- Henk.
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk-bounces(a)classiccmp.org
To: info-pdp11(a)village.org; General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Sent: 21-12-2004 17:27
Subject: Old Unibus PDP-11 XXDP diagnostics
Does anyone have any info/documentation on the XXDP diagnostics for
older PDP-11 systems and peripherals? I'm looking in particular for the
11/40 (11/35), RK05, DZ11, RL02, MM11 core memory, RX01, RL01
diagnostics. I have found some info on Henk's site, but would like to
know if anyone has a comprehensive list and hints on how to run these,
what the output means, how to answer the prompts, etc.
I have created RL02 packs with XXDP 2.5 and XXDP 2.2 and I can boot and
run stuff from these packs. It appears that the 11/40 diagnostics are
on XXDP 2.2, but not on XXDP 2.5. I have an old 1976 DEC field rep
troubleshooting guide that refers to various MAINDECs, which seem to
have been the diagnostics prior to XXDP. Is there a list somewhere
showing what the XXDP equivalents of the old MAINDECs are?
Any help would be appreciated. I want to exercise my 11/40 and attached
peripherals and see if any subtle gremlins are lurking anywhere within.
Everything appears to be working perfectly with the exception of one of
my three RK05 drives that I knew was problematic.
Ashley
On Dec 21 2004, 9:14, Guy Sotomayor wrote:
> On Tue, 2004-12-21 at 08:27, Ashley Carder wrote:
> > Does anyone have any info/documentation on the XXDP diagnostics for
> > older PDP-11 systems and peripherals? I'm looking in particular for
> > the 11/40 (11/35), RK05, DZ11, RL02, MM11 core memory, RX01, RL01
> > diagnostics. I have found some info on Henk's site, but would like
to
> > know if anyone has a comprehensive list and hints on how to run
these,
> > what the output means, how to answer the prompts, etc.
It would be a big list :-) I had a whole box of microfiche of them,
once. Later diagnostics use a common set of "switches" to tell them
whether to halt on error, loop on erro, produce lots of reports, etc;
alsmost all diagnostics have specific settings to determine what they
do in detail. If they halt on error, you need the isting to determine
exactly what caused the halt -- they don't, in general, print much
informative info.
> OK, the "magic decoder ring" for converting the MAINDECs to XXDP
names
> is quite simple. The MAINDEC # is of the form:
> MAINDEC-11-Dxxxx-*
>
> To convert this to the XXDP diagnostic name keep only the xxxx part
of
> the MAINDEC #. To run it, do:
> R xxxx??
>
> The first letter in the diagnostic name tells you what processor it's
> for. If I remember correctly C=11/40, Z=any
B is 11/40; C is 11/45
> There's a document that tells all about it (but I can't remember
where I
> found it at the moment).
That would probably be mine, at
http://www.dunnington.u-net.com/public/PDP-11/XXDP.pdf
XXDP.ps is the same content, just a different format.
The bits from page 6 to 12 are from V2.4, but the rest is mostly
version-independant.
> The pack images that you're talking about don't have the correct
memory
> diagnostic, but I've found that ZMSDD0 (wow! from memory...can you
tell
> I've used it a bunch?) works OK enough to be able to find bad memory
and
> you'll know when you hit bad memory. I've also found that having a
> hardcopy terminal is preferable to a CRT when you're getting
failures.
>
> If a diagnostic loads and then gives you a prompt like "DB>", START
is a
> good choice as a response.
--
Pete Peter Turnbull
Network Manager
University of York
Has anyone cached this yet? The bit rates are so low that it must be hosted
on his machine at home.
Heaven help him if this story gets posted to Slashdot :-)
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From: cctalk-bounces(a)classiccmp.org
[mailto:cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Vintage Computer
Festival
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 1:41 PM
To: Classic Computers Mailing List
Subject: Apollo Guidance Computer prototype replica
This is going to blow your mind. This guy built a replica of the Apollo
Guidance Computer prototype circa 1964 using 1960s era components.
http://starfish.osfn.org/AGCreplica/
Do I sense here a Best of Show award at the next VCF? :)
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Not trying to start any flames but I didn't think they had any 30/30
rifles in UK. I thought that's why the Bobbies carried batons and a
whistle.
Sellam says
>
>Maybe it was both: the 30/30 evoked the name of the rifle, which also
>happened to be the name of a nearby locale, and the naming was obvious
>thenceforth.
Mike
I think we've discussed this before. Sorry if we're re-treading old
ground.
I'm trying to read a disk an old double-density PC formatted disk on a
high-density drive. I can read the directory and certain small files just
fine, but any files that are larger than a few sectors (or perhaps that
span a track) return "Sector Not Found" errors. What is the deal with
that?
This is under DOS 6.22. Is there a way to get DOS to recognize that this
is a double-density disk and to perform whatever internal magic is
necessary to read the disk properly? Or is this an issue of hardware?
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Hi everyone,
This is VERY cool: Jeri Ellsworth and her C64 30-in-1 joystick are featured in
The New York Times. As I write this email (2:54AM, Monday), it's on the actual
nytimes.com homepage, with a color photo of her. The article itself is at
(http://www.nytimes.com/2004/12/20/technology/20joystick.html?8dpc).
There is a product review of the 30-in-1, head-to-head against the new Atari
Flashback, at my own site (http://news.computercollector.com) -- click the
'reviews' link.
Happy vintage gaming!
- Evan K.
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The intellectual property issues would be key for me, too and could
have been dealt with in a few sentences. As far as the crappy-versus-good
title licenses, I would offer up that the final choice of games comes down
to (1) which IP owner you could locate and (2) successfully negotiate with.
There's the firm...Tulip I think...that from what I've read seems to
be ready to come down hard on anyone using abandoned Commodore properties
for commercial gain. It's been a long road of failed owners, but I believe
Tulip owns the Commodore trademarks and IP. I can't say for sure if they own
the designs for the 6510 but I would assume that they bought a "package" of
IP from Gateway, who bought it from Ascom AG, who bought it from the
Commodore bankruptcy estate for $5mm (IIRC). There might be another name in
there after Ascom, but I can't be sure.
I think that Tulip uses the Commodore name for things other than
computers but owns all of the goodies that's of particular interest to this
group.
Rich
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk-bounces(a)classiccmp.org
[mailto:cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of John Foust
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 3:46 PM
To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: Our hobby in The New York Times -- sort of
At 02:41 PM 12/20/2004, Vintage Computer Festival wrote:
>I can think of at least one more important issue to be concerned with :)
Judging by Slashdot's coverage of Ellsworth and the geek response,
at least 90% of this mailing list's bandwidth needs to be consumed
debating her "hotness."
Sated geek that I am, I'd love to read an in-depth article on the
intellection property issues: Did they get permission from the
CBM's heirs? Who got the 6510's IP rights? What about the software,
was that easy to license? Why do so many of these cheap emulators
license lousy titles, as opposed to the extinct top-sellers?
- John
> I was wondering whether anyone here with '70s
> issues of SciAm might be able to make a copy,
Likely I have the issue stored.
I'd have to leave it to you right
now to find out which issue it would be.
With that info I could make you a copy.
John A.
hope this can help you
Bill the cat: "ACK TBFfffttt!"
Deciphered the missing keyboard cable and the far, far too
complicated keyboard interface (I practically rewired a Cromemco
PRI board to be an interface for this lovely Microswitch parallel
keyboard -- very hardware-head), soaked & washed the mouse
poop off the floppy cable, repaired the section of conductor
#50 nibbled by said rodentia, picked a system floppy at random
(DSSD), typed "b" at the prompt... READ ERROR.
Pulled a SSSD system disk, booted fine! Some fiddling, I can't
read any sectors of side 2. That I will figure out. It does
figure out sidedness.
Found I have bunches of blank NOS DSDD floppies, not one SSSD
blank! So no formatting etc.
So I ran all the progs on the system disk (wordstar, sid, pmate,
stat, etc) OK. Since I've got a bunch of SSSD system disks,
I stuck another in the B drive (a sssd drive, since mice ruined
the orig. drive), and ran MBASIC 5.03 off it.
Man, the B drive spindle bearing is trashed; it's
conversation-level loud. The G and right-shift keys on the
keyboard don't work, and the RETURN key sends a garbage character
then CR (but Control-M works so I can do stuff).
I need to fix the "G" key, figure out the serial port stuff,
then I can export the SSSD diskette contents. Once I fix the DS
thing I'll do the other non 3740 format diskettes. I don't know
yet what order I'll do things in though I will probably get one
of the serial ports working to make sure. Luckily I have ZAPLOAD
(bin to hex) and telink (telecomm) progs on the system disk.
At 12:50 PM 12/20/2004, you wrote:
>Has anyone cached this yet? The bit rates are so low that it must be hosted
>on his machine at home.
>Heaven help him if this story gets posted to Slashdot :-)
Either there's a CCC Effect, or maybe whereever Sellam learned
about it, others learned too. I'm getting about 1-4K/sec, but
the first PDF is 8 meg. I can mirror when it's done.
If you look up one directory, you'll see he's mirroring
Carl Friend's site.
- John
> Tulip owns the Commodore trademarks and IP. I can't say for sure if they
> own the designs for the 6510
It doesn't really matter, as no one building a product today would use
any portion of the original 6510 design that is subject to intellectual
property protection. The DTV 64-in-a-joystick, for instance, uses a
new 6510-compatible HDL implementation.
AFAIK, the only part of the original 6510 design that would be subject
to intellectual property protection now would be the actual mask designs,
which might (or might not) be copyrighted. No one in their right mind
would try to make new 3 micron NMOS processors today, and the mask designs
are not relevant to new redesigns.
Actually in 1975 or 1976 one of my fellow graduate students, moving to
Beaverton Oregon to work for Tektronix, was trying to move some early
disk drives and was asked by the movers what they were. Home
furnishings were readily moveable but not office stuff. So he put them
in washer and dryer boxes and the movers were happy to move them. They
had been used as end tables in his living room up until them.
He also built the first Altair I ever saw.
Andy said
>
>My experience of early hard disks was with the ICT EDS-4 which stored
4M 6-bit characters (ie about 3 MB) - the >(exchangeable) disk pack was
close to the size of a complete PC ... the drives were referred to as
"washing machines" >because of their size and appearance. (and the
controller was about the same size also). The IBM equivalent was, I
>think, the 1311 ... the 2311 being equivalent to the ICT EDS-8 (which
had twice as many tracks as the eds4 but was >otherwise identical)
Mike
Here are a few Web links that talks about Tulip and the C64. Some are bit
old, but worth a read:
http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,111556,00.asp
Article from 2003 that gives an overall look at the relationship.
http://www.tulip.com/news/article.asp?nid=109
This one raises as many questions as it answers. It only speaks to
enforcement for the unauthorized use of the Commodore name.
http://www.tulip.com/aboutus/corp_article.asp?nid=145
This is an interesting link, too. Although it's in Dutch, the product looks
remarkably similar to the one Jeri is holding in her hand.
Interestingly, in a note on Ruud Baltassen's site indicates that Tulip
doesn't mind people using the Commodore name in a non-commercial setting, I
guess acknowledging that in the time between when it purchased "the name and
other assets in 1997" and 2003 when they talk about developing game products
for the PC (like the Atari Anthology program, I'm guessing -- old games
running on a new machine using an emulator), a lot has happened.
The problem is that no one ever says what "other assets" is.
Rich
I just found and captured this programmable calculator. It still has a
roll of paper in the feed. I would like it to go to a good home. It is
heavy and big. I have not tried to power it up. Google search turned
up the following information.
Looks just like
http://www.oldcalculatormuseum.com/c-programma101.html
Any offers?
Mike McFadden
Ahhh...I thought I recognized the domain name from somewhere.
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk-bounces(a)classiccmp.org
[mailto:cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of John Foust
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 2:22 PM
To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: RE: Apollo Guidance Computer prototype replica
At 12:50 PM 12/20/2004, you wrote:
>Has anyone cached this yet? The bit rates are so low that it must be hosted
>on his machine at home.
>Heaven help him if this story gets posted to Slashdot :-)
Either there's a CCC Effect, or maybe whereever Sellam learned
about it, others learned too. I'm getting about 1-4K/sec, but
the first PDF is 8 meg. I can mirror when it's done.
If you look up one directory, you'll see he's mirroring
Carl Friend's site.
- John
Which HP 264x terminals used 8008 cpus? I know that the 2640 and 2644 did -
but did the 2648 or any others in the series also use it? What is the HP p/n
for the 8008 in this application?
Jack
I'm in the middle of some repair work on an older Heathkit O-Scope model
IO-102, the vertical board uses an N-Channel FET (Q1 - EL131 - Heathkit part
number 417-241) which has become very thermal. I picked up a replacement
>from a local electronics distributor however the crossed NTE part simply
doesn't work in the circuit. (NTE cross shows an NTE133 as the cross for the
EL131). I've tried a couple NTE133s and an MPF105 as well, all work the same
in the circuit but don't work correctly.
Does anyone know of an exact EL131 replacement, know if the ECG312 really is
a good replacement or even better know where I can get a Heathkit
replacement part. Digikey, Mouser etc. all don't recognize the EL131 part
number.
Thanks
-Neil
Michael..
You might try posting them in the both the "free" area and "computer" area
on Craigslist (www.craigslist.org); that might work. The IIsi has pretty
much no value - ie: I doubt anyone would pay anything for one beyond the
cost of shipping unless it has one or another of the more interesting PDS
cards or adapters (does it?). I have quite a few si's that I've picked up
at the local recycling depot. The 7200 is a more useful machine which is
still upgradable. What comes with them by way of peripherals/ keyboards/ old
sofware/ whatnot? I've been keeping a double handful of older Macs around
here and the software to run 'em just in case some day down the line when
I'm old and gray I suddenly have the urge to run PageMaker v. 2, or even
Excel 1.04 (all 170K of it)...or the original MacPaint.
Seth Lewin
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 13:18:55 -0500
> From: Michael <vaxlion(a)postal.lionsden.com>
> Subject: Macintosh collector groups?
> To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
> Message-ID: <41C4748F.6050100(a)postal.lionsden.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Howdy all,
>
> I have two Macs, a Mac IIsi and 7200, I would like to get rid of. Does
> anyone have any recommendation for a Mac collectors group that might
> have some individuals interested in these machines? Listings for these
> machines on both Ebay and Vintage Marketplace have yeilded no takers.
>
> Thanks,
>
> -- Michael
I went to one of my favorite scrounging spots today and found an
interesting disk drive with a HP-IB inteface. The drive was made by IEM and
it has two 105Mb removable cartridge drives in it. It looks like it takes
Syquest disk cartridges. Does anyone have a couple of spare Syquest 105 mb
cartridges to spare so I can try it out?
Joe
Hi
Sure sounds like a thermal limit switch. It could also
be a Poly-Fuse.
As for voltage of the transformer, if it is bad, one can
still determine the ratio by cutting the wires off with
a single cut per turn and then count the wires for the
primary and secondary. One does have to watch out if there
are taps, other than center tap.
Dwight
>From: "Vintage Computer Festival" <vcf(a)siconic.com>
>
>
>So after beating the shit out of this stupid TI power supply (none of your
>suggestions worked, thanks) I come to find that it does have an internal
>fuse and that it is complete intact. Wonderful. This thing is shot
>beyond repair at this point. It wasn't intended to ever be opened
>apparently.
>
>Anyway, hopefully I can figure out what this pile of garbage was supposed
>to be putting out. Of course, there are no markings on the housing of the
>transformer.
>
>There is an IC in here. It's inline with the hot side of the input
>voltage. The markings are thusly:
>
>UMI EI
>X25 150(degree symbol)C
>2.5A 250V~
>
>A varistor?
>
>Anyway, this is a heap of junk now.
>
>--
>
>Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival
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>
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>
>
On Dec 19 2004, 15:07, Glen Goodwin wrote:
> Okay, so can someone tell me why -- suddenly -- a whois on my
> domain name -- acme-sales.net -- does not show any of my contact
> information? It did before, but something has changed.
Er, it does for me:
$ whois -h whois.opensrs.netacme-sales.net
Registrant:
ACME Enterprises of Orlando
6192 Edgewater Drive
Orlando, FL 32810
US
Domain name: ACME-SALES.NET
Administrative Contact:
Goodwin, Glen (email addr here)
(4 lines postal address here)
(phone number here)
Technical Contact:
(same 6 lines here)
Registration Service Provider:
Infinitum Technologies, domains(a)servercove.com
407-481-2434
407-481-2379 (fax)
http://www.servercove.com
This company may be contacted for domain login/passwords,
DNS/Nameserver changes, and general domain support questions.
Registrar of Record: TUCOWS, INC.
Record last updated on 26-Aug-2004.
Record expires on 22-Sep-2005.
Record created on 22-Sep-2003.
Domain servers in listed order:
NS2.ZIGIO.COM 66.193.174.19
NS1.ZIGIO.COM 66.193.174.18
Domain status: ACTIVE
$
--
Pete Peter Turnbull
Network Manager
University of York
On Dec 19 2004, 12:32, Pierre Gebhardt wrote:
> does anybody know, how much memory the 11/24 can take ?
> I heard something about 1 MB, others say 4 MB somewhere on the web.
Yes, I'm a bit confused...
> Currently, it's configured with 1 MB.
A basic 11/24 processor uses 22-bit addressing but a Unibus uses 18-bit
addressing and therefore can address up to 256KB; the top four bits of
address are therefore dropped by the MMU in a basic 11/24. If it's
fitted with a Unibus Map (KT24, M7134, which also replaces the M9312
bootstrap card) then an 11/24 can use 22-bit addressing, on an extended
Unibus, giving it a 4MB address space. It does this by feeding the
output of the MMU through 31 mapping registers which provide
relocation, so at any given moment you can actually only address 31
pages, each of 4KW (8KB), plus the I/O page; you need to re-program the
mapping registers or the MMU to access the whole 22-bit range.
I don't know where the 1MB limit comes from, that would be a 20-bit
address range.
> Furthermore, does a DELUA - Card properly work in it ?
> There's only the card, the bulkhead assembly is missing, I would have
to build it by myself...
Yes, that should work.
--
Pete Peter Turnbull
Network Manager
University of York
Hello all,
does anybody know, how much memory the 11/24 can take ?
I heard something about 1 MB, others say 4 MB somewhere on the web. Yes, I'm a bit confused...
Currently, it's configured with 1 MB.
Furthermore, does a DELUA - Card properly work in it ?
There's only the card, the bulkhead assembly is missing, I would have to build it by myself...
Pierre
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Howdy all,
I have two Macs, a Mac IIsi and 7200, I would like to get rid of. Does
anyone have any recommendation for a Mac collectors group that might
have some individuals interested in these machines? Listings for these
machines on both Ebay and Vintage Marketplace have yeilded no takers.
Thanks,
-- Michael
1972 Univac 1100 manual
Analog computer Programming Patch Panel
Motorola MC68HC11 Evaluation Board
Tektronix manuals in German, French, Japanese and English
HP 9000 800/900 memory
DEC OS/78 manual
InfaRed Heat Gun
See <http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQgotopageZ1QQsassZrigdonj>
Bob,
On Thu Dec 9, 2004, you wrote:
> Its kinda odd how these terminals 'wake-up' with the text input
> directed to the graphical display rather than the alpha display layer.
That shouldn't happen unless the Keyboard Interface PCA is strapped for
"compatibility mode." Open the unit, pull the Keyboard PCA, and check the
DIP switches at the top of the card. Switches P and Q should be set to 0
(closed) for normal operation.
With both closed, the terminal should power up in alpha text mode. Then it
may be switched to graphics text via an escape sequence or by the keyboard
TEXT key, as desired.
(I have an HP 2647A. P and/or Q are set to emulate a Textronix graphics
terminal.)
-- Dave
I just recently got an HP25. I like it this much (1E99++).
I am putting together an applications pack of sorts that I will
be able to make available as a PDF. I have 4 programs so far,
Do any of you have/use the HP25 calculator? Do you have an
HP25 programs you'd like to see in print?
Send programs off list: ron.hudson at sbcglobal dot net
All programs will be added. I have the HP25 applications
book, let's not duplicate anything there.
>That is almost certainly vacuum fluorescent. There are a lot of such
>displays that use the same kind of seven-segment number formation you
>commonly see with LEDs.
Yes, I did more digging and found a web site specializing in vintage
calculators, and it had a full discussion on the different types of
displays... and yes, it does appear that I have Vacuum Fluorescent
Display Tubes. This was reaffirmed with a closer inspection (with the aid
of a flashlight) and each of the segments appears to be an individual
tube (you can see the curves of the front as well as the typical peaked
top).
I've yet to open it to see if they are socketed or soldered... I figured
I'd leave that until I new more about the technology and if the tubes are
repairable, or if I can get the correct replacement part.
-chris
<http://www.mythtech.net>
Hi again Guys,
Had a VT-180 show up on my doorstep last week, and knowing another
local collector who had one in "unknown condition", I decided to
spend some time working on the two machines.
Good news is that I have both of them working and booting up.
But there are assorted bits and pieces missing, if anyone happens
to have any of these VT-180 parts kicking around, please let me know:
- One machine is missing the drive cable (the data cable from the VT-180
to the RX-180 disk unit)
- One machine is missing the metal back cover/shield for the card cage
- Both machines are missing the plastic shroud which covers the above
mentioned cover/shield and connectors.
- Both machines have "VT-100" nameplates - would like to find the VT-180
nameplates.
- One machine is missing the ESC and '3' keys from the keyboard - this
is a standard VT-100 keyboard, so keys from a VT-100 would also be a
perfect match.
Regards,
Dave
--
dave04a (at) Dave Dunfield
dunfield (dot) Firmware development services & tools: www.dunfield.com
com Vintage computing equipment collector.
http://www.parse.com/~ddunfield/museum/index.html
> Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 11:11:26 -0600
> From: "Keys" <jrkeys(a)concentric.net>
> Subject: Who Made/Makes the World Smallest Harddrive
> To: "cctalk@classiccmp" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
>
> IS it IBM? I need one for a museum display we are putting together.
Thanks
>
Toshiba has one less than an inch across that holds 2.5-GB. They also
had another one that was 1.8-inches and held 40-GB.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/3381997.stm
On Dec 17 2004, 13:43, Ashley Carder wrote:
> > Does anyone know what the oldest documented functional computer is
that is
> > connected to the internet?
> ..... and is accessible by others via telnet, etc?
I'd suppose David Gesswein's PDP-8 would be a candidate. I have a
PDP-11/83 called titus running BSD2.11 which is internet-accessible,
and my PDP-8/E has a serial line on a terminal server which is also
internet-accessible, but neither is powered up 24/7.
--
Pete Peter Turnbull
Network Manager
University of York
I know this is a bad subject, but I was reading an article about
windows nt and the influence dec had on it. In the article it said
that compaq kept development of windows 2000 up to 1999 on Alphas.
Has anyone here seen it running on an Alpha and do you know if many
people developed software to run on it. I knew they had NT on a lot of
architectures but 2000 is a new one.
Thanks
Dan
I got this email today.
Does anyone in Italy or Europe want a SWTPC 6800 system?
Michael Holley
www.swtpc.com/mholley
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paolo Meyer" <paolo(a)igc.org>
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 8:49 AM
Subject: request of info about SWTPC
> Dear friend,
> I was one of the first italian SWTPC users. Now I need more room in my
> apartment so I need to give away some original BOXES and Boards.
>
> Do you know if exist in Europe or at least in Italy someone who can
> be interested in this kind of olds stuff?
>
> Many thanks for your help.
>
> Paolo Meyer
I second the spare parts threat... no need.
As for the cable pinout, I may have it with me (I just flew into Seattle from Virginia for the holidays). If I don't then I can email the connection scheme when I get back after the 2nd of January. I detailed not only the external cable, but the internal cable to make the internal drive a double density.
I can send iPDS disks after I get back on the 2nd also.
I'm with Dave, no need to replace the internal drive. Leave all the hardware as-is for now. The double density is the controller - not the drive.
best regards, Steve Thatcher
I saw an ebay auction about a vaxbrick 4000-50. What is a vaxbrick
4000-50? I googled and didn't find much information. I'd guess that it
uses NVAX cpu. But, what is the the clock frequency, and how big is
the cache? What memory options does it support?
vax, 9000
> Does anyone know what the oldest documented functional computer is that is
> connected to the internet?
..... and is accessible by others via telnet, etc?
Ashley
>From the most recent 'Computer Collector' newsletter
(http://news.computercollector.com):
> Early Nov., 2004: At the recent VCF 7.0 event, Tim Robinson displayed
> Meccano versions of Charles Babbage's Difference Engine and Vannevar
> Bush's Differential Analyzer (http://www.meccano.us).
It's nice to see Evan has mentioned this lovely Differential Analyser,
and I am sorry I missed seeing it (thanks especially to Erik Klein for
his nice photos of it, http://www.vintage-computer.com/vcf7.shtml, which
first alerted me to its having been there).
Many years ago (1980) I made myself a simple two-integrator Differential
Analyser, which worked on exactly the same principle. I was inspired by
the Meccano machine which was on display at the Museum of Transport and
Technology in Auckland - this was one of a number of similar machines
made in the '30s - and found a construction article in the Amateur
Scientist column of Scientific American.
I was wondering whether anyone here with '70s issues of SciAm might be
able to make a copy, or at least give a definite date for it. It would
have been in the early-to-mid '70s, certainly before '78.
Thanks, and if anyone still hasn't seen Tim's machine, go to
www.meccano.us and prepare to be amazed.
(Sellam, give up on that TI thingy and go buy a Meccano set)
--
Lawrence Wilkinson lawrence(a)ljw.me.uk
Ph +44(0)1869-811059 http://www.ljw.me.uk
>
>Message: 9
>Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 20:40:23 +0000
>From: cvendel(a)att.net
>Subject: Vintage Edison Recorder...
>To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org
>
>
>This is OT, however,
>
> If anyone is into historical items, this is something you should have a
gander at:
>
>
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=38029&item=229457049
0&rd=1
>
>
>True piece of early Edison history there!
>
>
>Curt
>
Wow! OT or not, this is great!
Thank you,
Robert Greenstreet
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--
Hi,
Dear people, I do apologise if my attitude came across that "I'm gonna rip this apart for spares if I can't fix it", or if I came across aggressive. It was not my intent to antagonise, nor was it my desire to induce sympathy. Unfortunately the written word often lacks the character and nuances of speech.
So, let me rephrase....
I purchased an old Intel MDS Series-4, specificaly for spare parts for my operating MDS Series4. The advertised unit has a memory error, but the rest of it checks out fine. My preference is to try and fix the broken unit. However, should my main unit have a problem I can always use the busted one to be a donor. If anyone knows exactly what chip 0000:8001 refers to (when doing a RAM test), then I will replace the offending component and have this unit fully operational. Which will make me a happy chappy.
When I went to collect the unit the seller also said I could have the 225 unit. I spent a lot of time cleaning dirt and mud out of the 225 and then searched the internet for information. My intent was, and still is, to get this old beast running as good as they day it was made. If it wasn't, then I would of not bothered to take the unit or search for info on it, or come to this forum for advice.
My comment, regarding "using it for spares" merely means it will be put away, somewhere safe and sound with all my other old stuff - some of which I have had to use for donor chips to get some SBC and other boards operational. It would indeed be a sad, sad day that I would need to pull it apart for bits. Once again, I apologise if my comments caused you angst.
Now, back to the 225 issue. Yes, the disk drive array is a blue-box, twin-floppy unit that sits atop the main unit. The main unit has the two-board set that is required to run this double-density drive array. I have contacted the seller to ensure there isn't a cable left behind. Hopefully he has it still and that will be great. If not, I am more than happy to wait for pin-outs and, once supplied, I will make the cable. The other blue-box is the expansion chasis that sits under the main unit to give it a few more slots. I haven't powered up or even cleaned the disk-drive or expansion unit yet. They'll be done during the week. In the interim, I'm reading through the pdf files that you have kindly pointed me to. As per your advice, I won't be pulling apart the unit or do anything untoward until I get more information regarding boot disks and cable pinouts.
The iPDS was a freebie given to me when I purchased my initial MDS Series4 some years ago. I have found very little information on this unit and therefore it has been set aside and I thought, "why not ask about the iPDS while I'm here" and it's good to see that there are some people out there that can help me get this unit operational. Other than that, I have no idea about this box - though I'd dearly love to get it going.
I do have an old 486 DOS machine with 3 and 5 inch diskette drives, so I can get the iPDS disks done on that machine.
My aim, with all this old stuff is to fix it as my main task. I don't collect things (like chip collectors) for looks. I like and want (almost have an inbuilt urge) to make it work and I love to have them all operational. I have fixed and have operational my old SC/MP, 6800 Micro Module, Central Data 2650, AIM65, STD bus and various Intel SBC systems - however, the old TI99/189 system (and a few others) have eluded me for quite some time, but I won't give up on them. Furthermore, I have an inventory of old processors, memory and peripheral chips and, using the Series4 with ICE85B, I build 8085 systems. I am hoping the 225 gets operational so I can do some stuff with the 8080 chip - like do some old S100 work and repairs on an SBC80/24. I'd love to build an 8080 system also.
So please, don't think of me as a destroyer of old systems. I'm a preserver, who should of used a better phrase than "used for spare parts". :)
I do hope you accept my apology, and I am extremely grateful for your assistance and advice.
seeyuzz
river
Hi,
Thanks for the reply. I went and loaded all those docos regarding the Series 2XX. Great stuff.
I cleaned up the connectors to the IO board and now the floppy drive engages upon reset. I ran the diags and all system work and even the floppy drive passed its tests with a scratch disk. However, I get a disk error when I boot the ISIS-II system disk. I tried a few other disks and the ones that are double-density all give a "disk error", yet the single-density ones just say "not bootable".
So, I guess I need to find a single density 8-inch ISIS-II boot disk. I can't use the one from my Series-4 'cos it uses 5-1/4 disks. THe unit also came with a dual disk drive array - yet another amazingly heavy blue box, and an expansion chasis. It appears that there are no cables to attach the disk array. The 225 has the two disk controller cards in the chasis and the cables are routed to the J8/J9 connectors, but I beleive there is a cable that I require to attach from these connectors to the disk array. I'd love to get the 225 fully operational 'cos it came with the ICE-80 (which I cannot use on the Series-4, which has an ICE-85B), ICE-51 and ICE-49. I especially want to use the ICE-80 so I can do some 8080 development (may as well use the stock of chips I got).
I'm gonna see if I can pull out the single-density drive in the 225 and put in one of the double density drives from the array. However, before I do that, does anyone know the cable pinouts - 'cos I might try and make a cable first. Or does anyone know where I can get a cable?
In the final run, if I can't do anything much with it, I can always use the parts for spares and other stuff.
Oh, final question... I also have an iPDS that's been waiting for a boot disk. Can I use my Series-4 ISIS-II disks in this unit? Will it boot, or is this unit doomed to be pulled apart for spares also?
seeyuzz
river
>Are you sure it's a LED display? That sounds more like behavior I would
>expect of a vacuum fluorescent display. If an LED really is doing that,
>the problem is with the electronics, not the diplay.
I can't be sure. I didn't think it was an LED (the unit is from around
1970 or so), but when I looked at it a little while ago, it looked kind
of like LED segments behind the plastic lens.
They glow a bluish green if that is any help. They don't look like any
LED out today, that's for sure. I've never knowingly seen a vacuum
fluorescent display, so I can't compare.
If this is one, is it a problem that is fixable?
-chris
<http://www.mythtech.net>
I recently obtained a Votrax PSS which did not include the power supply
or the manual. Thanks to Robert Stek's informative post
(http://www.classiccmp.org/pipermail/cctech/2003-February/010608.html)
on this list in feb '03, I am in the process of constructing a power
supply for it. However, I still need a copy of the manual, so I can
figure out how to set the various modes of the device, and control the
AY-3-8910 audio generator chip.
If anyone has the manual for the Votrax Personal Sound System and has
some means to scan or digitize it (a digital camera will work) can they
send me a copy of the images? It would be much appreciated.
Jonathan Gevaryahu
lord_nightmare_(a)t_users.sf.net
(remove the _@t_ and replace with @ to demangle the address)
My father has a very much loved Panasonic 805 calculator.
However, in recent months, one of the LED segments has begun to
misbehave. It is getting steadily worse. What happens is, in general the
segment is dim, and once a segment lights, it doesn't seem to turn back
off until you clear the calculation. As a result, very quickly, the one
segment just stays on 8.
Since this is the ones column, it effects all calculation displays (the
calculation itself works fine, it always knows what the number should be,
it is just the display of that number that doesn't work).
Does anyone have any repair info on this calculator? Schematics or
otherwise? I'd love to be able to open it and replace the segment, or
whatever may be misfiring to cause it to display wrong. He hates to give
it up, but he is finding it increasingly hard to use.
-chris
<http://www.mythtech.net>
I received the following email:
I have two DEC 72 inch high racks.
They contain some custom electronics (useless to anyone else) and power
supplies. The racks are in good condition.
These racks are available for pickup only in eastern PA.
If anyone is interested contact me off-list.
Jay
Ashley Carder <wacarder(a)usit.net> wrote:
> Does anyone know what the oldest documented functional computer is that is
> connected to the internet?
> ..... and is accessible by others via telnet, etc?
Hmm, would probably have to be a FOONLY running TENEX or something of that
era, I don't think VAXen running 4BSD quite cut it. For the record I run
MicroVAX III's with 4.3BSD-Quasijarus, but I really hope that I'm not the
oldest and that there are some people running plain 4.3 or even 4.2 on an
11/7xx connected to the net. Hell, since mine are all MicroVAX III's,
even someone with a MicroVAX II will beat me. But then I will probably be
putting together a new router soon and that one will have a MicroVAX II
CPU, so at least I'll have that.
MS
Dave,
I've got boot disks for TRSDOS 2a and P&T CP/M 2.2m if you're interested. Reply to me off list and we get something going.
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Message: 28
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 07:20:11 -0500
From: Dave Dunfield <dave04a(a)dunfield.com>
Subject: LF: TRS-80 Model II boot disk
To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
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Hi Guys,
Have a TRS-80 Model II which I am planning to restore (probably
get started over the holidays) - but one thing I am going to
need is a boot disk. Anyone out there got a working Model II
system? (This is the big "business" version with the single-
sided 8" drive).
Regards,
Dave
PS: Also still looking for a Cromemco System-3 boot disk.
--
dave04a (at) Dave Dunfield
dunfield (dot) Firmware development services & tools: www.dunfield.com
com Vintage computing equipment collector.
http://www.parse.com/~ddunfield/museum/index.html
Hi Guys,
Have a TRS-80 Model II which I am planning to restore (probably
get started over the holidays) - but one thing I am going to
need is a boot disk. Anyone out there got a working Model II
system? (This is the big "business" version with the single-
sided 8" drive).
Regards,
Dave
PS: Also still looking for a Cromemco System-3 boot disk.
--
dave04a (at) Dave Dunfield
dunfield (dot) Firmware development services & tools: www.dunfield.com
com Vintage computing equipment collector.
http://www.parse.com/~ddunfield/museum/index.html
At 14:00 16/12/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>Hello, all:
>
> If anyone has access to an Altair 8800 (the original model) and can
>measure the toggle switch handles, I would greatly appreciate it. I need the
>length of the handle from the top of the threaded collar to the end of the
>handle.
>
> Thanks a lot.
>
>Rich
Hi Rich,
Since no-one else has repsonded, I uncrated my 8800 and measured the switches.
This measurement is difficult, because the top of the collar does not protude
through the front panel, and in fact does not come all the way through to the
face of the panel.
I measured the switches by holding a toothpick against the top of the collar,
and straight out beside the switch - marking the top of the switch, and then
measuring the toothpick. Measurements are from the collar to the furthest out
edge of the dome at the end of the switch handle.
Both switch types (two position and three position) are exactly the same length.
I measured the two position switch by positioning it 1/2 way (straight out) .
And the measurements are (drum roll please):
11mm (7/16 inches)
Regards,
Dave
--
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dunfield (dot) Firmware development services & tools: www.dunfield.com
com Vintage computing equipment collector.
http://www.parse.com/~ddunfield/museum/index.html
To the half dozen+ listees who responded to my listing this computer as available in November: The guy who had the Eagle has certainly moved out of his apartment by now - as it is well after the first of the month. I presume the box went to computer heaven and we were not able to rescue it. I guess that's the way things go sometimes. Thanks to all. Bill.
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I'm looking for an M9312 bootstrap ROM for an RX01 drive. I believe the DEC number on the chip is 753A9. Does anyone have one of these that they would be willing to get rid of? I have other M9312 ROMs to trade.
Thanks,
Ashley
I got the last box of junk from my brother, and just inventoried
the floppies, going by the labels. I likely have errors in
sidedness/density but they were all made on one of two CP/M
machines; I have one here and the other (my father's) is still
in Mass and I can get it if necessary.
I have no idea whats actually on them or which ones are readable,
that come snext after I power up the cards. I've gone through
the chassis already and it's fine. I'll probably do smoke
tests today.
There's some good stuff I think. BDS C, CBBS from 81 (sources
plus BBS files), Stackworth FORTH, JRT Pascal, some other
Pascal, Aztec C, FORTRAN IV (likely TDL/Xitan), F80, M80, L80,
etc (m'soft) basic compiler (ugh) old DBASE, etc...
I'll make everything available ASAP.
Diskette label Media Location
?Copy Teletek CP/M? SN 2-301-01089, FDC-I, with VDISK, & WS 3.3 MAILMERGE SSDD Grey binder Dad's
Microsoft CP/M Basic Compiler vers. 530 copy SN16395 SSSD Grey binder Dad's
COM (not BASIC) games #2, Adventure SSDD Grey binder Dad's
SUPER-CALC SH=microshell SSDD Grey binder Dad's
CHESS SSSD Grey binder Dad's
ZIP 2.4 SSSD Grey binder Dad's
Dbase example files sysgened DSDD Teletek format DSDD Grey binder Dad's
(TJ) ASM86 GENCMD MODEM7 STRIPCMD ZSID TRACE+HIST UTL SID ASM MAC LINK L80 M80 SSSD Grey binder Dad's.
AZTEC 'C' side #1 ver 1.05g #6425 SSSD Grey binder Dad's
AZTEC 'C' side #2 ver 1.05g #6425 SSSD Grey binder Dad's
FORTRAN IV ver 3.05 copy from ser# 0199; also marked L80 M80 SSSD? Flippy disk! Beige binder ?CP/M Utilities? Casing has serious warpage; heat or time, media looks OK.
PMATE 3.02 WordStar 3.00 Beige binder ?CP/M Utilities? Tomj
F80 L80 M80 DSDD Beige binder ?CP/M Utilities? Dad's
Some str??? .COM? DSDD Beige binder ?CP/M Utilities? Dads; may be blank.
Perfect Writer Speller PMATE 1-84 SSSD Beige binder ?CP/M Utilities? ?
NEW ADVENTURE OTHELLO NO SYSTEM SSSD Beige binder ?CP/M Utilities?
DUU & NICE.DOC ?shouldn't be anything else? NEW TELINK.C (Lattice ver.) MYCHESS SSSD Beige binder ?CP/M Utilities?
Backup disk for Telink C Sources (TJ) DEC 82 SSDD Beige binder ?CP/M Utilities?
C' BDC [I think means BDS] 1.45 WORKING Telink Xtelink SSDD Beige binder ?CP/M Utilities?
An inte??um copy of Telink.C only SSDD Beige binder ?CP/M Utilities?
Aztec work disk SSSD Beige binder ?CP/M Utilities?
CBBS v3.5 BOTH SIDES SSSD flippy disk! Blue binder, ?Originals?
Stackworth FORTH SPEED.COM SS?? Blue binder, ?Originals?
WS 1.01 & 3.00 PMATE 3.0 DSDD Blue binder, ?Originals?
JRT Pascal ORIGINAL [handwritten] SSSD Blue binder, ?Originals?
BULLETIN BOARD SSDD Blue binder, ?Originals? Printout of DIR; 5/10/81. CBBS sources and BBS files
BBS DOC FILES SSDD Blue binder, ?Originals?
DBASE 2.4 SRC SSSD Blue binder, ?Originals?
DWS ? NWS v1.01 SS?? Blue binder, ?Originals? WordStar
Little Fido's Bugger ? VB3 DSSD Brown Dysan box, ?Little FIDO CP/M Sources? Bugger for SSM VB3 card
Fido's Double Sided System Disk 3/15/82 DSSD Brown Dysan box, ?Little FIDO CP/M Sources?
Fido's Double Sided System Disk #2 2/14/82 DSSD Brown Dysan box, ?Little FIDO CP/M Sources?
FIDO's CCP SSSD Brown Dysan box, ?Little FIDO CP/M Sources? CP/M CCP replacement program; see ?Little Fido ? software binder
CP/M 2.21 for FIDO working BIOS disk BACKUP 4/6/82 1/24/82 SSSD Brown Dysan box, ?Little FIDO CP/M Sources?
VB3 BIOS 4/6/82 27 April 82 SSSD Brown Dysan box, ?Little FIDO CP/M Sources?
Fido's System Disk #2 1/24/82 SSSD Brown Dysan box, ?Little FIDO CP/M Sources?
Doc files SSSD Brown Dysan box, ?Little FIDO CP/M Sources?
Little Fido's system disk 29 Aug 82 SSSD Brown Dysan box, ?Little FIDO CP/M Sources?
Fido's system disk 62K 2.21 7/10/81 3/22/82 DSSD Brown Dysan box, ?Little FIDO CP/M Sources?
Little Fido's System Disk Double Sided 11 Aug 82 DSSD Brown Dysan box, ?Little FIDO CP/M Sources?
IBUG, PARSE, RLOCATR2 12/20/81 SSSD Brown Dysan box, ?Little FIDO CP/M Sources?
BDS 'C' 1.41a as of 1/21/81 see 141.DOC SSSD Dysan box, no markings
C' sources 5/15/81 BAUD SSSD Dysan box, no markings
BDS 'C' 1.41 Diskbug Makedb Zapload Stripcmd SSSD Dysan box, no markings Has Microft Inc sticker
BDS C 1.41 for TRS80 2 of 2 SSSD Dysan box, no markings
BDS C 1.41 for the TRS *) 5/20/81 1 of 2 SSSD Dysan box, no markings
Algol SSSD Dysan box, no markings Huh?!
Stackworth FORTH TJ 4/30/81 SSSD Dysan box, no markings
Pascal SSSD Dysan box, no markings
INDEX EPROM SSSD Dysan box, no markings
Modem 2.17 etc 11/30/81 SSSD Dysan box, no markings
Development System COM files ASM LINK etc --- 2/18/81 disk #1 SSSD Dysan box, no markings
Dev. Sys. COM files 2/18/81 Disk #2 SSSD Dysan box, no markings
Dev. Sys. COM files 2/18/81 Disk #3 recopied 5/26/81 SSSD Dysan box, no markings
FIDO formatter 7/10 FIDO copy 7/10 Sysgen 7/30 7/9/81 SSSD Dysan box, no markings
COPY (disc copy utility) for FIDO CP/M 2.21 7/11/81 SSSD Dysan box, no markings
Old IMDOS disk, has DIABLO printer driver SSSD Dysan box, no markings
I'm looking for a DECstation 5000, a fairly recent and marginally
classic MIPS workstation DEC sold in the early 1990s. (Well,
it's classic to me for nostalgia reasons, but I won't get into
that). I'm specifically looking for a 5000/133 or /150, but
really any 5000 will do.
I'd be happy to pay shipping and a reasonable price (reasonable being
something in the < $50 range, since that seems to be the going rate),
and/or I have a MicroVAX 3100 (desktop case, 16MB RAM, 1GB disk,
8 serial lines) I'd be happy to trade.
If anyone has a lead on one, please let me know!
-Seth
--
"It looks just like a Telefunken U47! Seth Morabito
You'll love it." - Frank Zappa sethm(a)loomcom.com
Those keyswitches are actually contacts that need a special tool for
replacement. I used to do hundreds of them at Dataterm Inc. They still have the
contacts and inserts for those keybds.Give them a call @ 781-938-1010 or e-mail -
service(a)dataterm.com
Hello, all:
If anyone has access to an Altair 8800 (the original model) and can
measure the toggle switch handles, I would greatly appreciate it. I need the
length of the handle from the top of the threaded collar to the end of the
handle.
Thanks a lot.
Rich
Marty Greene,
There are others of us who have TI 990/systems in storage. I have 2 990/10 systems. DX-10 OS with 10M cartridge (CDC?)drives. Mine came from a Paradyne Corp Modem Analysis system tracking 300 Paradyne 2400 Baud multi-drop circuits on an 800 hz subcarrier over dedicated lines. So I have lots of serial ports...Each modem had data and an analysis port.
Sincerely
Larry Truthan
I may also have a Xerox Sigma diagnostics tape and or journal somewhere in the basement.
eight bit controllers to look for:
Seagate ST-05X Xt to IDE
Seagate ST-11M MFM
Seagate ST-11R RLL
SMS/OMTI 5520 MFM
SMS/OMTI 5527 RLL
Western Digital WD XT140 IDE note: separate cables - 2 drives
Western Digital WD XT150R IDE note: 1 drive only
Western Digital WD XTGEN MFM
Western Digital WD XTGEN2 MFM best interleave I think -0 bigger capacity
Western Digital WD XTGENR RLL
Western Digital WD 1002-WX1 MFM slow interleave
Western Digital WD 1002-27X RLL slow interleave
Western Digital WD 1004-WX1 MFM better interleave bigger capacity
Western Digital WD 1004-27X RLL better interleave
Hope this helps.
Paxton
At 02:55 PM 12/13/2004, you wrote:
>the only sound physical reason for fractions is cooking... the general populace is so technically illiterate that is really doesn't make a difference whether things are in fractions or decimal. They really don't have a clue anyway. When was the last time you heard any clerk actually count change out or someone realize that 1/4 cup is 1/2 of a 1/2 cup...
But measuring by volume isn't necessarily the best method, either,
particularly for flours that vary in volume depending on how long
they've been sitting, the weather, or whether they've been sifted.
They teach fractions like that in third or fourth grade.
There's no excuse.
- John
P.S. Watch for me on the Food Network's "The Next Food Network Star" contest.
>From: "Paul Koning" <pkoning(a)equallogic.com>
---snip---
>
>Some of this discussion reminds me of the "arguments" why the metric
>system is inferior to the US system of measures.
Contrary to what Tom Jennings states in a later post, there
are sound physical reasons for using fractional systems
when dealing with the physical world. I'm not defending
the English system that is a hodgepodge of poorly
related measurement standards. The only reason we have
a decimal system is because of the number of fingers we
have. Hardly a sound reason to squeeze physical relations
into. One wonders why there are 2.5mm screws when the
decimal system works so well.
If we'd had 8 finger, things would have been so much
easier to work with. 8 is 2 cubed and one hand would
be 4 or 2 squared. These both fit nicely into the physical
world were squares cubes are most often worked with.
Even logs would have made more sense under a base 8 system.
>
>I don't actually know where 50 and 60 Hz came from, nor 100 and 115
>and 220 and 240 volts. There may be some ancient justification in the
>tinkerings of various 19th century engineers, but it seems to me it
>makes most sense simply to view them as random numbers.
I've been trying to find some actual history on the 50/60
thing on the net but so far, all I was able to find was
that cell phones are frying our brains. My understanding
was that it was a balance between efficient generation
and efficient transformers. The voltages were mainly to
control line loss. In the US, most people live close to
their distribution transformer and line loss is not that
high at 110-115V.
Dwight
>
> paul
>
>
On all of my replaced SCSI drives, I use SCA adaptors and SCA drives- much
easier to get nowadays than 50 pin models, and also newer. Any drive will
work-they do not need special firmware
The deal for SGI sleds is as follows-
The 50 pin cable goes into the 50 pin narrow SCSI socket on the adaptor- self
explanitory
The power cable will often need to be teased out a little longer (at least on
Indigo2, I don't have my Indigo sled at hand)
For the SCSI ID cable (the 6-pin bit) you will need a VOM/DMM. One side will
have a bank of 3 wires, the other will have 1 wire. On the adaptor, there will
be 3 pins wired together -> these are ground, connect to the single pin side.
The other wires set the SCSI ID based on which slot in the Indigo the drive
is installed
If you choose to hardwire the drive (not as neat, but a definite
possibility), remember that on IRISes the host adapter is ID 0, so the first (system) disk
is ID 1- and so on. Most computers have the host adapter as ID #7, but not
Siggys.
Best of luck to you, they are very neat machines, with a slick UI (Indigo
Magic)- For IRIX 5.3 be sure to get the free IDO (Development Option-compilers
and headers, available from www.sgi.com)
Scott Quinn
I seem to have spoken too quickly, put my foot in my mouth, and in the
process created a synthetic monster and slandered Even. I was unaware of what was
going on. Please consider this my apology.
>From: "Vintage Computer Festival" <vcf(a)siconic.com>
>
>On Wed, 15 Dec 2004, Michael Sokolov wrote:
>
>> Vintage Computer Festival <vcf(a)siconic.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Because there are three conductors sockets on the end plug and I don't
>> > know what is supposed to be on each one.
>>
>> Well, 20 VAC between the ends, don't know about the middle.
>
>Ok, that's good information, but for good measure it would be nice to know
>what the voltage is across the middle pin and either end pin.
>
>Thanks!
>
Hi Sellam
Do all the pins show low ohms to each other? It might
be a center tap or even just a ground lead that doesn't
carry current. Since you have the box open, you should be
able to see where all the wires go.
Dwight
Hi Bob
There used to be a place around here called Motion Industries.
I believe they changed there name but they were a nation wide
company and had branches across the nation. They carried
all the standard cogged belts and such. I'm sure they'd have
what you need.
They might still have the same name or something similar.
It has been a few years since I used them ( like about 10 or so ).
Dwight
>From: "Bob Shannon" <bshannon(a)tiac.net>
>
>Are parts available to repair a HP 2671G printer?
>
>I'd like to replace the geared belt that drives the print-head.
>I'm not at all sure that the head can be removed from this belt
>so I may be talking about a complete head and belt assembly
>which I'd assume is unobtainium.
>
>If its just a matter of attaching the head to a replacement
>belt, does anyone have the specs or a source for the belt?
>
>Apparently whatever these belts are made of gets old in a
>bad way, they become sticky and brittle, both are bad for
>drive belts.
>
>Given this, I'm assuming even a new-old stock drive belt would
>not be servicable.
>
Can anybody tell me if a "proper" (i.e. true IBM compatible) CGA (CGA, not
MDA, EGA or VGA) monitor had a male or female connector?
I know it had a DB-9 with approximately this pinout
1,2 Ground
3 Red
4 Green
5 Blue
6 Intensify
7 N/C
8 Hsync
9 Vsync
All signals are TTL and active high, as I remember.
Anybody in the SF Bay Area got a real CGA monitor that they don't want
anymore?
Thanks,
Bob Armstrong
Tom Jennings, do you have access to the manual on the SSM VB3 video board?
I'd love to get that scanned and into the archives.
Barry Watzman
Watzman(a)neo.rr.com
Vintage Computer Festival <vcf(a)siconic.com> wrote:
> Because there are three conductors sockets on the end plug and I don't
> know what is supposed to be on each one.
Well, 20 VAC between the ends, don't know about the middle.
MS