> Liam Proven wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Oct 2018 at 18:59, Paul Berger via cctalk
> <cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
>>
>> This is my issue with a lot of Linux distros they seem to try to hard to
>> look and work like mac or like windows while I would rather have them
>> look and work like the xwindows I knew and loved. One of my biggest
>> aggravations is cut and paste I would very much rather it worked more
>> like it used to on X.
>
> If you want it old-style, build it old-style.
>
> Install the minimal or server version of Debian, Ubuntu, Fedora,
> whatever you want, then install X.org and your window manager of
> choice.
>
> This is how I have been experimentally assembling GNUstep desktops for
> years now.
Have to concur with this. Even the "minimalist" (i.e. non-GNOME/KDE)
*nix "desktop environment" projects these days are getting so bloated
that I've given up bothering with them and set up an X environment one
component at a time. Currently running Window Maker with SpaceFM and
ROXTerm; getting it all properly set up and tweaked to my liking took
some doing, but the payoff was well worth it.
Now if I could only excise the GTK3 blight entirely, I'd really be set.
> From: Ben Bfranchuk
> I just can't find a clean simple design yet. ...
> The PDP 11 is nice machine, but I am looking for simpler designs
> where 16K words is a valid memory size for a OS and small single user
> software.
There was a recent discussion about code density (I forget whether here, or
on TUHS), and someone mentioned this paper:
http://web.eece.maine.edu/~vweaver/papers/iccd09/iccd09_density.pdf
which shows that for a combo of benchmarks, the PDP-11 had the densest code
out of all the ones they looked at. (They didn't look at the PDP-8, but I
suspect that since it's a single-address design, it's almost ceertainly not
as dense.)
The PDP-11 dates back to the days of core (it went through several generations
before DRAM arrived - e.g. the -11/70 originally shipped with core), and given
core prices, minimizing code size was pretty important - hence the results
above.
So if you want to get the most bang out of 16K buck...
Not the simplest machine to implement, mind - the -8 is a lot simpler. Which
axis is the most important to you?
Noel
> Grant Taylor wrote:
>> *Every* Unix desktop out there draws on Win95.
>
> Nope. That's simply not true.
>
> The following three vast families of window managers / desktops prove
> (to my satisfaction) that your statement is wrong.
>
> ? Common Desktop Environment (a.k.a. CDE) and it's ilk.
> ? The various *Box window managers / desktop environments.
> ? Motif window manager and it's ilk.
>
> They are all significantly different from each other and from Windows's
> Explorer interface, first publicly debuting with Windows 95.
There's also the Afterstep/Window Maker crowd, open-source
reimplementations of the NEXTSTEP desktop environment, which predates
even Windows 3.x. Win95 was certainly very influential in the design
and refinement of many other desktop environments going forward, but
it's not the be-all and end-all of anything.
>> Liam Proven wrote:
>
> How many graphical Unix desktops are sold or distributed in the world
> today that are not Linux? Excluding Mac OS X as I specifically address
> that point, I think.
>
> Now, I can point to 3 living (FSVO "living") descendants of those OSes:
>
> * CDE is now FOSS
> (It had a conceptual re-implementation, the XForms Common Environment,
> XFCE. Here's a screenshot:
> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/19/Xfce3.jpg
> Note, it has now moved to a Windows-like model)
>
> AFAIK no current or historical full-function general-purpose Linux
> offers CDE as a desktop choice.
>
> * NeXTstep inspired GNUstep
> http://www.gnustep.org/
> (and LiteStep but that's now dead)
>
> No current or historical full-function general-purpose Linux offers
> GNUstep as a desktop choice.
>
> * Risc OS inspired the ROX Desktop:
> http://rox.sourceforge.net/desktop/
>
> Again, no current or historical full-function general-purpose Linux
> offers ROX as a desktop choice.
But this is kind of a questionable standard to begin with, because the
whole point in the Freenix world is choice. No distributions offer
those as default options during the install process, but all of them
(aside from CDE, which only just went open-source a couple years ago
and is still in the process of being cleaned up and forward-ported to
modern *nixen) are available in the repositories for most major
distributions, and all of them are still actively updated.
> BeOS used the Windows model.
Kinda-sorta-not-really. BeOS (like just about everything post-1995)
takes cues from Win95, but its roots are in classic Mac OS and it
definitely hews closer to that in most respects, despite the absence
of a global menu bar.
> Outside of Apple, I think it is fair to say that no new OS or desktop
> environment since 1995 has used anything other than the Win95 model.
Haiku says hi. Or would, if they could spare the time from trying to
awkwardly kludge Linux development models into a BeOS world.
> The fact that there are a small handful of clones of the Apple Mac OS
> X GUI doesn't really invalidate this point.
This "aside from the things that don't match up with my argument, my
argument is flawless!" line of reasoning is novel.
> From: Paul Koning
> Some years ago I learned the architecture of the Dutch Electrologica X1
> and X8 machines. ... they gain a lot of efficiency by allowing almost
> all instructions to optionally set a condition flag, and almost all
> instructions to be executed conditionally on that flag. So a lot of
> code full of branches becomes much shorter. ... For example:
>
> if (x >= 0) { foo (); x += 2; }
> else x -= 3;
>
> translates to just 5 instructions:
Very clever!
What's the word length on that machine, BTW? I ask because it would be hard
to pull that trick on most short-word-length machines, there just isn't a
spare bit or two in the instruction to add that.
Noel
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At 04:40 PM 10/22/2018, Jim Manley via cctalk wrote:
>As for multitasking, even Windows 10 can easily get bogged down where the
>GUI becomes essentially unresponsive to user actions. MS has never grasped
>that it should never be possible to wind up in a situation where the user
>is stuck watching a rainbow-colored wheel spin, while some set of tasks
>consumes pretty much every clock cycle on every core, and the user can't
>even shift context away from whatever is hogging the system.
There are lots of reasons why that can happen in any OS with a GUI
You've discovered some computer that doesn't ever crash?
>The Woz was then challenged about Commodore 64 sales far exceeding those of
>Apple ][ and //e models, and he replied, "At Apple, we were always in it
>for the long haul. What has Commodore sold lately?" Commodore, of course,
>had long since gone bankrupt.
CBM didn't do that until 1994, right?
- John
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On Mon, Oct 22, 2018, 02:36 Jim Manley <jim.manley at gmail.com> wrote:
Microsoft did offer a RAM expansion board specifically to allow the
Softcard to access 64K of RAM dedicated to CP/M,
Even that wasn't dedicated to CP/M. It was a 16K RAM card that was
equivalent to the Apple "Language Card", which allowed replacing the 12K of
ROM of the Apple II and II+ with 16K of RAM, of which 4K had two banks.
Although it was useful with the Softcard, it wasn't in any way specific to
it.
All models of the Softcard could output 80 x 24 text, not only through
third-party cards, but Apple's own 64K RAM and 80 x 24 video combo card,
Which was only available for the IIe. I stand by my assertion that the
Softcard did not in any way provide 80x24 text. It could use the capability
if it was separately provided.
On Tue, 10/23/18, Paul Berger via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
> This is my issue with a lot of Linux distros they seem to try to hard to
> look and work like mac or like windows while I would rather have them
> look and work like the xwindows I knew and loved.? One of my biggest
> aggravations is cut and paste I would very much rather it worked more
> like it used to on X.
Amen Brother!
I mostly use rio (based on the same named windowing
system on Plan 9) for my window manager so at least
I get to avoid the dancing frogs. But back in the '80s
we were using a much nicer approach to cut-and-paste
on X than the commercial guys ever managed.
Time to take my cane back inside now that I've finished
yelling at the kiddies to get off my lawn.
BLS
I would be interested in any Rolm items you might have. (no promises.)
Thanks,
Peter VP
|| | | | | | | | |
Peter Van Peborgh
62 St Mary's Rise
Writhlington Radstock
Somerset BA3 3PD
UK
01761 439 234
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I just rescued? a? DG S-130 from a scrapper.?? The rack was being pulled out of a trailer with a
Excavator.? So the nice rack and the? hard drive where crushed.? The S-130 seems to be repairable, with? mostly sheet metal damage. The? front panels where both crushed. I would guess these are hard to come by? ??? but I thought I would at least ask if anyone had a spare they would part with.
I'm guessing its a S-130? by the blue and white front panel and switches. The upper front panel
which has the Model number is missing. Not sure? how to read the? Label on the back. It? has 8461 after the model.
Thanks, Jerry
[ Accidentally only sent to Eric originally ]
On Sat, Oct 20, 2018 at 3:41 PM Eric Smith <spacewar at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 20, 2018, 01:46 Jim Manley via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
> wrote:
>
>> The Softcard was a Z-80 based single-board
>> computer
>
>
> It wasn't. It was only a processor card.
>
Eric,
I'm going to stand by my assertion that the Softcard was a single-board
computer on the technicality that it did have its own RAM - you apparently
forget that registers are a form of RAM - HA! They're memory, they're
addressed over a bus (that just happens to be within the microprocessor),
and you can directly access any register at any time (random access). As
for I/O, that's what the Apple ][ bus was for, right? As Opus from Bloom
County, among other comic characters, was known to utter,
"PBBBBBBTTTTTT!!! ?
Microsoft did offer a RAM expansion board specifically to allow the
Softcard to access 64K of RAM dedicated to CP/M, and the Premium Softcard
//e provided on-board RAM to CP/M for the Apple //e, as you noted. All
models of the Softcard could output 80 x 24 text, not only through
third-party cards, but Apple's own 64K RAM and 80 x 24 video combo card,
which was often offered in packages, especially through dealers that
supported business customers (that's how my system came delivered). The
"etc." I mentioned was the functionality provided through the glueware
logic on the Softcard that enabled RAM and 80 x 24 text output, as well as
other I/O over the Apple ][ slots bus.
When I was in the Navy, our ship called at HMS Tamar in Hong Kong, and I
followed verbal directions (26 stops on the then-new subway under the
harbor into the New Territories) to the basement level of a shopping
center. There, I found clones of everything from Apple ][s and //es to
every expansion board and peripheral available in the early 1980s,
including both the original Softcard and the Premium Softcard //e.
Everything came complete with the floppy disks and every page of the
documentation, not just photocopied, but professionally typeset and
offset-printed.
In your missing-the-forest-for-the-trees response, you completely missed
the point of my post - that the Softcard was an extremely important early
product for Microsoft, the critical connection between the Softcard and the
QDOS prototype for x86 MS/PC-DOS, through Seattle Computer Products, and
that the number of CP/M licenses was much larger on Apple computers than
S-100 systems.
For those that cited the Amstrad systems, I was referring to the S-100 and
Softcard timeframe. CP/M was only provided with the Amstrad CPC664 and
6128 floppy-disk based models, and the DDI-1 disk expansion unit for the
464 (only CP/M 2.2 with the 664, and 2.2 and 3.1 with the 6128). The
Amstrads came along four years after the Softcard was introduced, and three
years after the release of the IBM PC. By that time, Digital Research's
influence had faded into insignificance, despite the full release of
CP/M-86 within six months of the IBM PC's debut (albeit at six times the
price of MS/PC-DOS). I do know that CP/M was used in European banking
systems well into the late 1990s, mostly because it wasn't broken and
didn't need to be "fixed". It probably would have remained in use well
past 1999 if it weren't for Y2K's impetus for massive upgrades to current
technology for 2000 and beyond.
All the Best,
Jim
On Sat, Oct 20, 2018 at 3:41 PM Eric Smith <spacewar at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 20, 2018, 01:46 Jim Manley via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
> wrote:
>
>> The Softcard was a Z-80 based single-board
>> computer
>
>
> It wasn't. It was only a processor card.
>
> that plugged into an Apple ][ slot, equipped with its own
>> 80x24 character x line black-and-white video output,
>
>
> No version of the Softcard had it's own video output. It used normal Apple
> video output. If you wanted 80x24, you had to use a separate third-party
> 80-column card, or (later) and Apple IIe, IIc, IIc+, or IIgs.
>
> RAM, etc.,
>>
>
> I'm not sure what you're referring to by "etc.", but the vast majority of
> Softcards and their clones did not have their own RAM, and used that of the
> Apple II.
>
> The PCPI Applicard and it's clones had their own RAM. Some very late
> models of the Softcard had their own RAM.
>
>
Hi Eric,
My name is Tom Hollowell. I took the US support of Rolm in 1998. PWA assumed the international. I noticed that you have some ROLM hardware. I may be interested in finding out what you have.
Let me know,
Thanks,
Tom
Sent from my iPhone
I received this message this morning, if someone in Germany would like a data book collection
"The computer club at the RWTH Aachen University has to move from a larger collection of semiconductor data books. These
are 2..3 steel cabinets full of data books of various manufacturers, for which there is no more space in the new
premises. I have seen your website and that you are dealing with the archiving / digitization of such books. Would you
be interested in taking over this data book inventory? You would otherwise have to go to the waste paper ..."
--
From: Alfred Arnold <alfred at ccac.rwth-aachen.de>
Guten Tag,
der Computerclub an der RWTH Aachen mu? sich im Zuge eines Umzugs von
einer gr??eren Sammlung an Halbleiter-Datenb?chern trennen. Dabei handelt
es sich um 2..3 Stahlschr?nke voll von Datenb?chern verschiedenster
Hersteller, f?r die in den neuen R?umlichkeiten kein Platz mehr ist.
Ich habe Ihre Webseite gesehen und da? Sie sich mit der
Archivierung/Digitalisierung solcher B?cher besch?ftigen. Best?nde
eventuell Interesse an der ?bernahme dieses Datenbuch-Bestandes? Sie
m??ten wohl ansonsten ins Altpapier gehen...
Viele Gr??e
Alfred Arnold
--
Alfred Arnold E-Mail: alfred at ccac.rwth-aachen.de
Computer Club at the http://john.ccac.rwth-aachen.de:8000/alf/
Technical University Phone: +49-241-406526
of Aachen
it's too bad that I am on the other side of the great pond . I would have been very interested in it :-(
Pierre
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Pierre's collection of classic computers moved to: http://www.digitalheritage.de
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Chuck Guzis via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org> schrieb am Mo, 22.10.2018:
Betreff: Re: 1970s CDC disk drive (Craigslist, Washington DC)
An: "Ken Shirriff via cctalk" <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Datum: Montag, 22. Oktober, 2018 08:16 Uhr
On 10/21/18 7:12 PM, Ken Shirriff
via cctalk wrote:
> Someone pointed out
this CDC disk drive on Craigslist in the Washington DC
> area:
> https://washingtondc.craigslist.org/mld/zip/d/early-computer-era-rolling/67…
>
> I have no connection
to this, and don't know anything about it, but
figured
> someone on cctalk might want to
pick it up, rather than it getting scrapped.
>
Looks
like a 9746.
--Chuck
Someone pointed out this CDC disk drive on Craigslist in the Washington DC
area:
https://washingtondc.craigslist.org/mld/zip/d/early-computer-era-rolling/67…
I have no connection to this, and don't know anything about it, but figured
someone on cctalk might want to pick it up, rather than it getting scrapped.
Ken
Hello alltogether,
i am restoring a PDP8A at the moment. The machine got a problem in the
Powersupply. I think one of the emergency ciruits trigger a shutdown of
PSU. In tracing this isue i hab two questions.
My 8A`s manufacturing year is 1977. It`s model is 8A620. On Bitsavers i
found a matching shematic for the BA8C Power distribution Board from
1976 (File: EK-8A002-MM-002_PDP-8A_Miniprocessor_Users_Manual_Dec76.pdf
page 597). The Board Number is 5412000-0-1.
My first question is if somone has the Board Layout with it's component
locations?
My second question is about the DEC4011 Chips. As i inspected the Board
i found the DEC4011 Chips. First i think they are the standard CMOS 4011
quad two-input NAND`s. In the shematic it look more like a four
Transistor array. Did anyone know somthing aput these Chips? Are there
any equivalent parts? Have anyone a Datasheet of it?
Marco
> From: Al Kossow
> The quality of modern keycaps is poor.
> These guys are after mechanical boards with double-shot keytops.
There's something I'm still not quite grasping.
I can see two reasons for people liking the old keyboards:
- i) Higher quality construction
- ii) Connection, through a historial artifact, to an earlier age
Am I missing any?
I can definitely see the first (I myself find many modern keyboards to be
complete crap), but if that's _all_ it is, I'd think there'd be a market for
modern production of quality keyboards - not a large market, true, but I'd
think it would be large enough to be worth servicing? (Unless the cost to
produce such would be so high that there wouldn't be any buyers - but that
seems at odd with some of the prices being mentioned.)
So maybe people _only_ want keyboards that have both i) and ii)?
Noel
> From: Doc Shipley
> You guys want people to stop scavenging those irreplaceable treasures?
> Ante up, pure and simple.
That works for keeping stuff out of the hands of scrappers (who are, after
all, business-people) - but not for fetishists who will pay totally
mind-blowing sums for them.
Sorry, I'm not paying $5K for _any_ keyboard. You can buy (for example) a
complete PDP-11/70 for that much money.
> In the end, that system is worth twice as much as desoldered parts as
> the best offer I got.
But will _all_ of the constituent parts sell, or just some of them - the rest
being destined to sit on a shelf, un-sold, until they are pitched?
There's a similar debate in other areas of collection - e.g. antique Japanese
woodblock-printed books. One can usually make more money by taking them
apart, and selling them a page at a time, as opposed to selling them as
complete books. (At least all the pages do tend to sell.) Some people
consider this vandalism - destroying a 200-year old artifact to maximize $$.
I can't say they're wrong...
Noel
> From: Lars Brinkhoff
> I have Alan Snyder's C compiler running
Way cool! Congrats!
Where did you find it? Do you have source too?
> there may also be machine descriptions for Honeywell 6000 series and
> PDP-11
There _was_ one for the H6000, not sure about the -11.
> At some point it seems like this compiler was tangled with Stephen
> Johnson's PCC.
It would be good to find out what, if any, the connection is.
Noel
FYI:
From: Lars Brinkhoff
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2018 11:08:29 +0000
I have Alan Snyder's C compiler running in case anyone would like to
play with it. It's from around 1975, so the syntax is yummily archaic.
The primary host is a PDP-10 running ITS, but there may also be machine
descriptions for Honeywell 6000 series and PDP-11.
At some point it seems like this compiler was tangled with Stephen
Johnson's PCC.
Probably preaching to the choir, but if you are going to be mounting an
old tape, there are some issues to be aware of.
Tape is really stable over time and your data is likely still there.
As tapes age, the surface of the gluey oxide coating degrades. The
symptoms will be very discernable with a nine-track drive as you can
see the head/tape interface easily. The surface of the tape in contact
with the drive's head will ablate, leaving gunk on the head. The tape
will make a squeaking noise while running and may eventually stop
moving due to sticktion at the head.
Cleaning the head from time to time may get you through a read of a
tape for backup purposes, but there is a machine called a 'tape
cleaner' which is a drive which leads the tape through a path seeded
with knife-edges. As the tape travels through the machine, the knife
edges scrape a layer of oxide coating from the tape and smooths and
polishes the surface exposed. This will restore a tape to full
usability and should not affect data stored on the tape.
Pinch rollers can also collect oxide and need cleaning. Pinch rollers
on old drives may be so degraded as to make the drive unusable. I had
a Data General cart drive using Qic 300? tapes. The drive roller was
wrecked. I found in my junkpile a roller from an Epson Actionprinter
3250, removed it from the printer's output roller and after cleaning
the drive axle in the qic drive, used some windex to lubricate a
ballpoint pen barrel, stretched the roller onto the pen body, held the
body to the face of the drive axel and pushed the roller on. It worked
beautifully from then on. Stone knives and bearskins.
You can carefully make a set of knife edges on a board, thread the tape
through the edges, and use the drive you have to move the tape through
your homemade cleaner.
Best,
Jeff
Here's a list of? my next batch of stuff that can be
mailed.? Make an offer. Plan on USPS "if it fits it
ships" postage.
Data Translation DT2769/EP057???????????????????????????????? QTY 2
Data Translation DT15150/EP075 Dual D/A Converter Module
ADAC 1616/32HCO
ADAC 1632TTL????????????????????????????????????????????????? QTY 3
ADAC 1412DA? CONVERTER ANALOG TO DIGITAL 4CHANNEL
ADAC 1012??? DATA AQUISITION
Plessey Peripherals? 703185-100C & 701877-100? with Cable
BC13B-25? monitor cable
bill
Hey all --
Got an HP 2382A terminal I'm attempting to resurrect. I get no video, no
heater, no high voltage. What I believe to be the horizontal output
transistor appears to be bad, but I'm not sure if this thing contains
internal diodes that might be throwing off my testing attempts. It's
labeled "1854-0900." Anyone know what this actually is? (Anyone have a
service manual for this terminal?)
Thanks,
Josh
Free for cost of postage
- Digital microcomputer interfaces handbook (dated 1980)
"Hamilton Avnet" sticker on cover
- Intel iAPX 286 Programmer's Refernce Manual
- Motorola RF Data Manual (1980)
- Atmel Data Manual (1989)
- Intel ISIS-II USER'S GUIDE Copyright 1976, 1977, 1978
As you can imagine I doubt there is interest in all of the above,
but still I had to ask.
Diane
--
- db at FreeBSD.org db at db.nethttp://artemis.db.net/~db
> the unavilable on-line -11/44 Tech Manual, EK-KD11Z-TM-001
Ooops:
https://vt100.net/manx/details/1,3126
Not sure how that one didn't make it into my PDF collection....
Noel
So, I recently acquired a copy of the unavilable on-line -11/44 Tech Manual,
EK-KD11Z-TM-001; alas, it's bound, and I don't wish to debind it to scan it.
If anyone has one of those gizmos that can scan bound books, and wants to scan
this, please let me know, and I can lend it to you.
Noel
All, I received this request from Matthew who isn't subscribed to either
the TUHS or cctalk lists. He knows how to read the lists archives. Many
thanks for any help you can provide.
Cheers, Warren
----- Forwarded message from Matthew Whitehead -----
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2018 08:25:39 -0400
From: Matthew Whitehead
Subject: Ultrix Tape Blocks
Warren,
I wonder if you can give me a referral. I want to install Ultrix-32
on my MicroVAX II using the ancient TK-50 tape drive. I know the tape
files are on your archive, but I need to know the block size for each
of the many files; it can vary a lot.
Who might be able to help me with this?
Matthew Whitehead
----- End forwarded message -----
> From: Bill Gunshannon
>> From: Jerry Weiss
>> Note: Apparently the RY emulation won't load if more than 256K memory
>> is specified ... I'm entirely not sure why SIMH has to enforce this
>> as its possible to work around .. Anyone know how to override and load
>> in SIMH?
> If it didn't it wouldn't be emulating real PDP-11 hardware. ...
> RX02 systems and they do not work with more than 256K.
Right, the hardware only has 18 bits of 'buffer address' (in both UNIBUS and
QBUS versions). But one can still plug one into a QBUS system with more than
256KB, and use it - you just can't use memory above 256KB for transfers
to/from the RX02, since it cannot physically create those addresses.
If sounds from Jerry's description as if SIMH refuses to emulate an RX02 if
the emulated system is configured with more than 256KB - which would be a
bug, if so.
Noel
Josh -
You may want to contact Denis Kohlhagen, at Butler Winding. IF this is for the preservation of an HP terminal in the museum, they may wish to assist in rebuild/rewinding that flyback. There are US firms that can perform this work, and publicity of preserving history is desired by some corporate marketing dept.
Butler Winding
7426A Tanner Parkway; Arcade, NY 14009 USA
http://www.butlerwinding.com/
Phone: 1-716-532-2234
Fax: 1-716-523-2702
==
?I poked around a bit more this morning and it's looking like part of the flyback is shorted out -- we have a 2382 at the museum and I popped it open just now and I verified that it measures differently (i.e "not shorted" :)) at the same points. So that's likely my problem. Drat.
- Josh?
Sent from iPad Air
I know some of our members are into phones...
I am tossing the following in a skip to go to a recycler. I'd rather not
ship the units, but am willing to pull any boards if someone needs them.
Toshiba Strata DX
Toshiba CIX200
Toshiba CIX40
The will be sent off to recycler Monday or Tuesday.
J
> From: Guy Dunphy
> The mechanics has no adjustment or spring tension on the pinch roller
> positions. ... all the spring is in the rubber of the rollers.
> But how much squish?
> ...
> I'm hoping someone might have some knowledge of how much punch card
> reader pinch rollers should press against capstans. Does 0.2mm squish
> seem right
To produce a given force on the card, the dimensional amount of squish needed
would depend on the rigidity of the material, no? A stiff material would
need/want less than something soft, I would think.
Noel
Does anyone have the user, technical and/or service manual for the original
10MB Iomega Bernoulli drives? Bitsavers has the manuals for the later
half-height 10.0/10.5 MB "Alpha-10H", but I'm looking for docs for the
original model, which was full-height with a SASI (pre-SCSI) interface.
I have the drives, about 20 cartridges that I want to image, and some
additional scratch cartridges.
I've never used Bernoulli drives before. These drives and cartridges were
last used around 1986. I'll disconnect and test the power supply before
powering up the actual drives, but is there anything else I should be
concerned with?
Does anyone have known-working 8-inch Bernoulli drives?
On 10/15/18 1:00 PM, cctech-request at classiccmp.org wrote:
> From: Michael Brutman <mbbrutman at brutman.com>
>
> Hi Eric,
>
> I have working 10MB and 20MB units here being driven by a PC XT with the
> Iomega specific card for them.
>
> I've had to puts lots of effort into cleaning the heads on them. I'm not
> sure if there is an oxide shedding problem or just 30 years of dust that
> I'm fighting, but they do seem to be very finicky at this stage. It also
> could be a media formatting problem; I think they have servo tracks that
> were laid down at manufacturing time, so if you have a read error on the
> servo track there is no way to fix it.
>
>
> Mike
I've got a collection of 1/2 height 8" drives, and one among them (a 20
MB unit) is able to come online with a cartridge inserted. Maybe head
cleaning is what is troubling the others - but I have no idea how I'd
jam a cotton swab in there and find the heads to attempt a cleaning.
I have a Bernoulli card in a PC that will lift the bits from
DOS-formatted cartridges, and I hook the drive up to an old Mac with a
SCSI card in it to image other arbitrary types (I've seen them used as
audio recording devices as well as external storage for HP equipment).
- David
Folks,
Yay, I was wrong! The IC seems to be OK, the issue was a stuck-on kb
switch. A quirk of the Apple design causes the last-pressed key to repeat
continuously if any key is being held 'on'.
That leaves me needing two kb switches and possibly one 'tilde' key. This
is the beige IIe kb with small black print.
Thanks for the space,
Bill
After VCFMW this year, I've been looking at old projects I have and
was wondering if anyone has any leads on TeleVideo systems.
I'm looking for TS-800 terminals/systems, and interested in probably
any 1980s Televideo terminals, depending on price, especially the 950,
and 965s... and keyboards for them.
I'd also like to find a TPC-II (the 8088-based portable computer). I
used to have one growing up, and there's a bit of nostalgia there.
It seems like there's more Televideo stuff lately than I remember
being on eBay before, but it's all fairly expensive, especially the
computers. I have picked up a few affordable things (970 & 965
terminals missing some keyboards and a TS-803 that I'm still waiting
on). I have a couple of TS-801's, TS-806C and a TS-816 that are in
various states of repair, that I've been poking at.
I also have various Qbus era DEC stuff that I could probably trade for it.
Any leads would be appreciated!
Thanks,
Pat
Folks,
A neglected Apple IIe showed up in my life, and now I find myself needing a
few parts. Specifically:
- AY-5-3600 keyboard encoder IC
- Several key studs, maybe a couple of keys
Anyone have a donor machine?
Bill
The short story: we need exhibitors, speakers and volunteers to have an
event. We are off to a good start but we all know time flies when you are
having fun, and March isn't that far away.
When: Saturday and Sunday, March 23rd-24th 2019
Where: Seattle, WA at Living Computers:museum+labs
Event page: http://vcfed.org/vcf-pnw
Pictures from 2018: https://photos.app.goo.gl/QPfZ4WXPdIdUo5gn2
Exhibitor registration: http://vcfed.org/wp/vcf-pnw-exhibitor-registration/
Have a question? Nervous about being a first time exhibitor? Want to help
but don't know how? Send me an email ... I'd be happy to talk to you.
-Mike
mbbrutman at brutman.com or michael at vcfed.org
Hi:
I'm looking for maintenance manuals for old Univac tape and printers. I've
already mined Bitsavers and done some fairly extensive Google searches but
would like manuals on:
Tapes: Uniservo IIA, IIIA or IIIC, VIC, VIIIC, 12, 16 or 20
Printers: 0751, 0755 (used on 1108), 0758 (used on 1108 and 494), 0768 (used
on 92/9300) or 0770 series (used on 1100)
Pointers to on line versions would be appreciated. If you have hardcopies
I'll be happy to buy them and give back a scan, or pay for the scan.
Tom
Long shot, but you never know...
I recently obtained an Altos 386/1000 system (80386 + 4GB RAM in a tower
case with tape drive and floppy)
After a quick clean and check it powered up, gave a whinge about a flat
battery (which I'm told is to be expected), and then booted SysV r3 Unix
OK.
After an hour or so poking about, I shut it down then powered it up again
a short time later...
Now, it starts up, does the power on checks (including the battery
whinge), loads Unix, prints some information about memory and a 16 user
license then stops. No more messages, no keyboard input, nothing.
So I'm a bit stuck. I've found some manuals online but they're not really
helping - I'll take it to bits later and see if I can read the internal
SCSI drive on another system but I'm not convinced there is an issue with
the drive though.
So wondering if anyone knows of any installation (or diagnostic) images
for these machines? It has a SCSI tape drive and I have some tapes for it,
so with some SCSI shenanigans I'm fairly sure I can write a boot tape on a
Linux system, or maybe even the floppy - but I need the images... Any
clues?
Thanks,
Gordon
Does anyone know of any more downloadable VT320 fonts and glyphs? This is
about all I could find at the moment.
https://vt100.net/dec/vt320/fonts
Trying to find some Cyrillic fonts so that Tetris looks right. I suppose I
can try to write my own, but that would take a good bit of effort to get it
looking right.
Also, is there a way to dump the existing font on a VT320 in the DRCS
format?
Thanks,
Kyle
On Wed, 10 Oct 2018, it was written
> Did you contact the guy with the drawings?
Yes but I haven't heard back from him, yet. At least the mail hasn't
bounced. Does anyone know the person who runs vintage-icl-computers.com ?
There is no name, address or anything there, and I wonder if the site is
still alive.
Christian
Currently working on restoring some bubble memories and I'm looking for
some modules originally included in Intel's BPK-72 development kit,
specifically the Dummy Load module and the Seed module.
http://archive.computerhistory.org/resources/still-image/Intel/intel.dummy_…
These are used for testing a bubble memory system as well as repairing
bubble modules which have had some sort of failure which requires manually
re-seeding them.
I have all the parts I need to work with the modules, I'm just missing
these parts. The manual shows the schematics, component values, and layouts
of both of these modules, so I can fabricate them myself if need be, but
wanted to see if anyone had them handy first.
Thank you again!
Josh
Hi, All,
I asked a version of this question earlier this year. I have not been
able to find any vintage machines that used these 16Kx1 55ns SRAMs.
Anyone recognize them? Lots of them for sale on eBay. Probably few
buyers. One would want to know which systems used them, thus my
question.
They probably would have been excellent in a DEC MOS memory board but
I have no evidence they were used thusly. Contemporary DRAMs were
cheap and 64Kx1 so that's what was in consumer gear.
Anyone? Fast SRAM? Anywhere?
There's little point in wiring 8 of them up into a byte vs using a
62256 except for speed. 55ns is faster than any 8MHz machine really
needs (100ns-150ns was typical for those depending on bus
architecture). I could see these being cache RAM for a minicomputer
vs primary RAM.
-ethan
The core memory could still have data in it....
Rod
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From: Rod G8DGR via cctalk
Sent: 10 October 2018 09:28
To: Christian Corti; General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: RE: Digico computer
That looks similar to the Logo of the company I worked for ICS (Instrumental Colour Systems)
The machine is identical down to the colour and the tape reader.
Did you contact the guy with the drawings?
Rod
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From: Christian Corti via cctalk
Sent: 08 October 2018 15:25
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: RE: Digico computer
On Sat, 6 Oct 2018, Christian Corti wrote:
> I can make some pictures these days.
So, here they are:
http://computermuseum.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/pics/digico
Some notes from my part:
There were two systems, there is only the front panel and board set left
>from the second one. One front panel says "LOS", the other "micro 16v".
Also pictures from the Pertec drive wreck that I hope can be restored to a
fixed platter only drive. (PCBs not shown, but I have them)
I have three memory boards in total, and the two CPU boards are different
revisions. The one shown is MK2, the other is MK1 with a lot of green
wires. All boards seem to be soldered by hand!
Christian
On Fri, 5 Oct 2018, it was written
> I worked with DIGICO?s in 1974.
> Is it red?
> Does it have a manual pull through paper tape reader?
> Was it made in the UK?
> I am most interested
Yes, it is red and has a small reader on the front plate. The machine
seems to be complete (expect the disk drive that is missing the removable
platter assembly/heads).
I can make some pictures these days.
Christian
> From: Paul Anderson
> I don't remember the D tilting.
http://gunkies.org/wiki/File:BA11-DSide.jpg
This is very similar to the slides on the BA11 (-11/20), which also had the
rotation, so I suspect they were all this way (i.e. there no early versions
without, etc). Having said that, if anyone has a -D with something else,
please send me an image so I can document it.
> From: systems_glitch
> I'd prefer a set of original outer rails, but something newer or
> something I have to modify a little would be fine.
Probably the easiest option is to buy a set of those C-230-S's; the mounting
holes on their inners match the locations of the swage nuts on the BA11-K
sides, so it's straight simple bolt-in. You'll lose the rotations option,
though.
Noel
Hi,
I have a lot of dmk images and tried to convert them to imd with dmk2imd.com.
Trying with on of those files:
http://oldcomputers-ddns.org/public/pub/rechner/eaca/genie_3s/my_genie_3s/i…
The conversion was fast and told me:
Tracks:80x6528 DSSD
Assuming 500kbps data rate.
But when I write the *.imd to floppy I get only 40track and that is realy not good. :-(
--
Best Regards,
mit freundlichen Gr??en
Fritz Chwolka
> From: Bill Degnan
> What is the part number for the -D ?
Do you have the inners? The only -D inners I know of are the kind shown here:
http://gunkies.org/wiki/BA11-D_Mounting_Box
and if you have those, you're in luck; the outers from a still-available
Chassis Track unit are perfect replacements for the original outers. Kinda
pricy, mind, but at least they're available.
If you have a different inner, I'd love an image, so I can see what it is,
and document it.
If you have no inners, kinda ugly. You can buy that CT unit, but you'll have
to drill matching holes in the inner - and you lose the rotational capability.
Noel
> From: systems_glitch
> I do have the inner rails/latch system for tilting the box, they are
> plain aluminum.
Like the lower picture:
http://gunkies.org/wiki/BA11-K_mounting_box
there? I'm guessing that's zinc-plated steel.
Alas, I don't know who made those (may have been DEC themselves), or a source
for them. _But_....
I have some Chassis Trak outers which are almost compatible. (I say 'outers',
but actually many slide sets are 3-part; there's an outer which bolts to the
rack, an inner which bolts to the mounting box. and then a third piece, a
'middle' I guess we can call them. Sometimes the middle and outer can be
separated, with a safety latch you have to release - but I think I recall
seeing one set where you can't extract the middle mrom the outer - at least
not out the front.)
Anyway, the silver inners do fit into the track in the middles of those CT
units - all except the two wheels at the inside end of the inners! Too bad,
because I have no use for these outers, and would be happy to hand them over
to you.
The other possibilithy is that I _might_ have a spare set of the silver
outers. I have 2 sets of the outers (2 left, 2 right), 4 of the special pivot
bolts - but only one set of inners - at least that I can quickly find. Let me
have a look around, and see if I'm really missing the inners - if so. I might
be up for trading you a set of outers for something I can use.
Noel
> From: systems_glitch
> Looking for a pair of rack rails for my PDP-11/10.
Is it in a BA11-K (as suggested by the Subject line), or BA11-D? (-11/10's
came in both, for the 10-1/2" box.) The -K has the power supply on the end,
the -D down one side.
What slide hardware, if any, do you already have? (Many come with the inners
[the part that bolts to the mounting box] still there, but the outers have
been discarded.) If you've got the inners, you're home free; I can give you a
General Devices 'Chassis Trak' part number that will provide working outers
(although you'd probably have to modify the locking hole for the lock to
work).
If you don't have the inners, I'll have to go look and see what can be
done... (The original DEC inners are, AFAIK, now unobtainium.) Oh, and if you
do have inners, I assume they are the earlier, grey-coated ones, not the
later silver ones?
Noel
We may have found someone at least on the right continent ;)
For those interested, he sent a pic (but haven't looked at it closely to see if the -11 is even in there):
http://www.ezwind.net/IMG_0223.JPG
J
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From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Rod G8DGR via cctalk
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2018 12:27 PM
To: Holm Tiffe <holm at freibergnet.de>; General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Subject: RE: PDP-11 in russia?
There were plenty of real PDP-11?s that found their way to Russia.
Often through front companies in say Vienna.
Rod Smallwood
Digital Equipment Corporation 1975 ? 1985
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From: Holm Tiffe via cctalk
Sent: 02 October 2018 18:01
To: Jay West; General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Re: PDP-11 in russia?
Jay West via cctalk wrote:
> Someone has contacted me about a pdp-11 that controls a "measuring machine
> dea epsilon".
>
>
>
> It appears that they want to replace the pdp-11 with a "ibm" (I'm guessing a
> pc), and then they would give the pdp-11 as a gift.
>
>
>
> That is all the info I have. Are there any listmembers in Russia who would
> be able to take on a project?
>
>
>
> J
This for sure isn't a PDP11, it would be an "ELEKTRONIKA 60" I think.
This is something like an 11/23 but with metric Connectors, PCBs are a
little bit bigger as PDP11's.
I do own such a beast, that's a picture from the CPU:
https://www.tiffe.de/Robotron/PDP-VAX/E60/E60-01.jpg
Other pictures are in the same directory (directory index is allowed).
..it's running RT11 from a 8" RX Floppy clone...
Regards,
Holm
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I used to have a SCSI interface version of that drive type, I made backups of my Mac Plus (I think it was) hard drive. Since I don't have it currently, I believe I gave it to a friend along with the rest of my Mac Plus peripherals. I don't recall the capacity of my specific drive, but it used a "data cassette", which had a notch in the tape case to prevent use of regular cassette tapes.
I borrowed a pile of scrap 1970s-era PCBs from my local recycler yesterday,
just to make sure there was nothing important among them before they go off
for processing. Among them are six boards branded as CPT, which I assume
(as I'm in MN) is the CPT Corporation that was in Minneapolis.
The double-sided boards are organized in five rows of five ICs, with 44-way
edge connectors and IC date codes in the 1973-1977 range. I seem to have
p/n's 910012, 910014, 910015, 910017, 910018 and 910022.
In addition to this there's a smaller board which references "deck 1 heads"
and "deck 2 heads", and appears to have a p/n of 910025.
Does this ring any bells with anyone? The Wikipedia entry for CPT mentions
the 'VM' machine in 1976 with dual tape units, so I wonder if they're from
one of those... if so, I'm curious if there are any surviving intact
examples out there (or other info, there doesn't appear to be any CPT stuff
on bitsavers)
cheers
Jules
It has a red tag on it saying it is DOA date 23/May 79
and an obviously poorly removed chip. Anyone want it?
For postage it's yours.
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Hi all --
In my quest to get my MicroVAX I to do something interesting, I'm looking
for an Emulex UC04 SCSI controller -- this is one of the few MSCP SCSI
devices that I'm aware of that are compatible with the MicroVAX I (the rest
all require a II or later). I have a nice CMD CQD-200/TM QBus SCSI
controller that I can offer in trade, or I also have a wide variety of
other parts available... please drop me a line if you've got one for trade.
Thanks as always,
Josh
On Fri, 5 Oct 2018, it was written
> http://www.vintage-icl-computers.com/icl49c
>
> Drawings for 16V here
No, only some non-readable pictures of drawings :-(
I should ask the guy to scan them reasonably.
Christian
Be most grateful if anyone can advise here please. Rescued a TRS-80 MC10 from deceased estate recently - it was headed for the bin
but got saved.
The original owner was a bit of an electronics hobbyist and his brother-in-law tossed these boards in with the bundle I grabbed.
http://koken.advancedimaging.com.au/index.php?/albums/boards/
Kevin Parker
I was there and it was always called "The Ethernet". When the 10 Mb
standard came into being, it was then referred to as "The Experimental
Ethernet". If you want to be *really* pedantic, you could refer to it as
the "2.94 MHz Ethernet" --- but that would be silly.
If you'd like to see how Aloha inspired Metcalfe, read this:
http://www.historyofcomputercommunications.info/Book/6/6.7-EthernetRobertMe…
[...] "Is it red?" [...]
LOL I love it! Some beautiful hardware on the list this week, I wish I
snagged that DG MicroNova...
=]
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+1 (517) 775-6129
www.erogear.com
On Fri, Oct 5, 2018 at 10:07 AM Rod G8DGR via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
wrote:
> http://www.vintage-icl-computers.com/icl49c
>
> Drawings for 16V here
>
>
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>
> From: Christian Corti via cctalk
> Sent: 05 October 2018 12:42
> To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
> Subject: Digico computer
>
> We recently got a Digico Micro 16V computer including a Pertec 3342 disk
> drive. It is a 16 bit minicomputer based on 74181 ALUs and a couple of 4k
> core memory modules.
> Since the condition of the system is not the best (dirt, dust, some
> bent wirewrap pins), I'm looking for the usual information :-))
> - technical manual, schematics
> - software
> I'm thankful for any information.
>
> Christian
>
>
We recently got a Digico Micro 16V computer including a Pertec 3342 disk
drive. It is a 16 bit minicomputer based on 74181 ALUs and a couple of 4k
core memory modules.
Since the condition of the system is not the best (dirt, dust, some
bent wirewrap pins), I'm looking for the usual information :-))
- technical manual, schematics
- software
I'm thankful for any information.
Christian
> From: Eric Smith
> I think the account given in the book may be a bit confused on this
> point. ... That sequence of events is contradicted by Pelkey ...
> describes the name change from Alto Aloha to Ether as happening in May
> 1973 in agreement with WWSUL, except that in the Pelkey account the
> Alto network wasn't designed and built until June, _after_ the name
> change.
It's quite possible that in Metcalfe's interview (which is what the WWSUL
account seems to be pretty much wholly based on), N years after it all
happened, his memory flaked and he got the sequence wrong.
I've had the same thing happen to me, trying to recall the sequence/timing of
early IP work at MIT. I was sure X happened before Y, and then Jerry Saltzer
dug up an old progress report... There's a reason that the gold standard for
historians is contemporary documentation.
Along those lines, here:
http://www.chiappa.net/~jnc/nontech/tmlotus.html
is an amusing story of my encounters with this effect on some Lotus Indycar
research I did.
Noel
Does anybody know names / terms that correspond to the original 3 Mbps
Ethernet?
I.e. 10 Mbps Ethernet is also knows as Ethernet II (2) and D.I.X. (for
Digital, Intel, and Xerox).
Was the first 3 Mbps Ethernet simply called "Ethernet" with an implicit
"I" (1)? Was there a name to differentiate it from D.I.X.?
Grant. . . .
unix || die
I have now finally concluded the PDP-15 documentation scanning project.
Many year ago my father saved a big lot of PDP-15 documentation that was
thrown out from Philips in Stockholm. I have over the years scanned
documents on request which has ended up at bitsavers. Some docuements were
already present on bitsavers. Now I took a stab and finalised this project.
All the remaining PDP-15 has now been scanned and I put them here:
http://www.datormuseum.se/documentation-software/pdp-15-documentation
Many documents already has made its way to bitsavers but many remains.
There are DOS-15, XVM/DOS and various general documents such as operators
guide, course handouts etc.
The only remaining document to scan is the RSX PLUS III reference manual
which will be tricky to scan without damage it.
Happy reading!
I have a set of around 5 to 8 binders with printed source code listings
>from a PDP-15 system. The listings appear to be from a REDAC SOFTWARE
LIMITED PCB CAD system. The name of the software seems to be REDAL 3 MARK
7. There are dates on the listings in the range 74 and 75.
https://i.imgur.com/m1ji9uR.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/SzaiH78.jpg
First of all does anyone has more info on the REDAL software from REDAC?
Then secondly is there anyone interested in these binders with listings? I
think the quality of printout is good enough to do OCR on.
Note that there is no guarantee that these are the complete set of binders
with listings.
/Mattis
Did DEC offer a rack-mount or tabletop box version of the RX50 floppy
drive, as they did with e.g. the TU58 and TK50 tape drives? I'm wondering
how they expected the RX50 drive to be packaged when used with a Unibus
PDP-11 via the RUX50 controller.
Hi,
two weeks before I was asked from a friend if it's worth to
rescue an HP1000 A600 computer from the stuff available at a local
scrapp seller in Erfurt.
Of course I've answered yes!
Unfortunately someone at the scrap site has pulled some cards and at
least in one case a chip fom a card. There is to much missing to rescue
this computer..at least my friend has saved some of the pcb's:
hier die HP-Kartennummern:
12103-60004 1MB RAM , 2x vorhanden
12005-60012 Ser. Interface
12005-60001 Ser. Interface
02430-60009
drop me a mail if you are interested on buying those cards and give a
hint what you want to pay for them.
The stuff is located in Weimar, Germany ..Europe.
Regards,
Holm
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Grant -
Occasional vague references to ?I?, when Ethernet II was used (as I remember).
I assumed the reference was for initial 3 Mbps work at PARC.
Gateway Communications started in Irvine, CA (1981?) offering G/Net (~double the 3 Mbps), I remember installing their demonstration system (1982 or 1983?)
By 1983, 3Com ThinNet (10-Base-2) released for IBM PCs. University of Iowa graduate college installed one of their first LANs with an Altos sever (8086, 10 MHz).
greg
==
From: Grant Taylor <cctalk at gtaylor.tnetconsulting.net>
Subject: Ethernet names...
Does anybody know names / terms that correspond to the original 3 Mbps
Ethernet?
I.e. 10 Mbps Ethernet is also knows as Ethernet II (2) and D.I.X. (for
Digital, Intel, and Xerox).
Was the first 3 Mbps Ethernet simply called "Ethernet" with an implicit
"I" (1)? Was there a name to differentiate it from D.I.X.?
Grant. . . .
unix || die
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> From: Eric Smith
> 3 Mbps was sometimes referred to as experimental Ethernet, but AFAIK
> the only official name was "Ethernet".
> The best way to refer to it is probably "3 Mbps Ethernet".
I was trying to remember what we called it at MIT (which had one), but my
memory was hazy, so I want back and looked at the sources for the packet
switch I wrote (which supported the first Ethernet, before the 10Mbit version
even came out), and I found (slightly to my suprise) that it was "3Mbit
Experimental Ethernet", or just plain "Exerimental Ethernet". (Of course, that
was just MIT - other sites may have had different terminology.) No doubt we
renamed it once the 10Mbit version showed up - I can probably search for early
versions of the code to confirm this, if anyone cares. Anyway, I'd vote for
the latter, short name.
> From: Bill Degnan
> See where wizards stay up lote by Katie Halner and matthew lyon.
Interesting! It looks (from the Notes) like this was gleaned from an interview
with Metcalfe, and she was _very_ careful (I helped her with the technical
details - you can find me in the Acks), so I'd tend to believe it.
My _guess_ is that was his early, 'in his head' name for the thing, and when
they set out to actually build it, it was re-named 'Ethernet' (as Al's memo
search seems to indicate).
Noel
I have an HP 1000 A900 20-slot box with a working 4 card CPU set
(sequencer, data path, cache control, memory controller). I also have
a 12990-60102 A990 CPU card that would replace the 4 A900 CPU cards
and install in place of the A900 memory controller card.
What I don't have is the 12990-60020 jumper board that would install
in the A900 backplane instead of the A900 sequencer, data path, and
cache control cards, nor a 12230-60001, 12230-60002, 12230-60003, or
12230-60004 memory frontplane to connect the A990 CPU to one or more
memory array cards.
I'm not very hopeful, but is there any chance anyone on the list
happens to have a spare HP 1000 A990 12990-60020 jumper board, and/or
a 12230-60001, 12230-60002, 12230-60003, or 12230-60004 memory
frontplane that they would be willing to part with? Not expecting
these for free.
These might be parts that 360 Technologies had before they recently
closed up shop, although if they did they probably expected business
critical prices for them.
(For reference, the HP Museum site has a copy of the HP 1000 A990
Upgrade (HP 12990C) Installation and Service Manual, 12990-90011).
Someone has contacted me about a pdp-11 that controls a "measuring machine
dea epsilon".
It appears that they want to replace the pdp-11 with a "ibm" (I'm guessing a
pc), and then they would give the pdp-11 as a gift.
That is all the info I have. Are there any listmembers in Russia who would
be able to take on a project?
J
At 12:24 PM 2/10/2018 -0700, you wrote:
>Does anyone have source to a 6809 monitor program?
>
>I'm looking for something I can make work in a CoCo.
>
>Functionality I'm looking for is something that will let me read and
>write to memory.
Attached is the zipped C source code for a 6809 monitor I wrote in the early 1990s.
Compiler used was HiTech C. Build files included.
It worked, but of course 'there may be bugs.' :)
It's fairly generic, so not many changes needed for other CPUs. I also did an 80C196 ver.
If the zip file attachment fails, it's online here: http://everist.org/texts/6809_Mon_V2.zip
Doco from the MONITOR.C file:
/* File: MONITOR.C
For machine: Dual 6809 game board.
Compiler: Hitech 6809 C.
Written: Guy Dunphy, 4/9/94, derived from an earlier version. (by me)
This file contains all code for a versatile serial monitor.
It is event driven, and time sliced, so it can operate in the
background with other CPU tasks.
All data is stored big-endian.
All serial I/O is via the functions aux_get_ch(), aux_put_ch().
Serial Tx is polled, while Rx can be either polled, or buffered interrupt
driven with hardware handshaking (via RTS). See monitor_init().
This monitor can be used in multi CPU systems, where only one CPU has a
serial comms interface, and each has different IO/mem maps and codespaces.
If there is a means for passing strings between the CPUs, then the one
with serial IO is used to run a 'master' copy of the monitor, and the
other CPU(s) runs a 'slave' monitor version.
The master CPU does all command line entry/edit operations, and can be
set to pass complete command lines on to other CPU(s). It also will echo
text returned from the slave CPU(s) to the serial interface.
To use this file:-
* For single CPU operation, just compile it as is.
* As a 'master' (talks to a slave), predefine symbol MON_MASTER.
* As a 'slave', predefine symbol MON_SLAVE.
Monitor commands (See also mon_help_text[] )
----------------
Multiple cmds allowed on a line, use ';' to separate.
Upper/lower case of commands and parameters is not significant.
A 'range' may be:-
start
start end
start length (Shorthand form: if length is small and < start.)
start L length
space (as 1st char) Repeat last command. Execute or re-edit.
tab (as 1st char) Repeat 'saved' command. Execute or re-edit.
tab (not 1st char) Copy cmd to 'save' buffer.
esc (as 1st char) Allow re-edit of following 'repeat' cmd.
(... twice ) Kill 'pass cmds to slave' mode.
D range Dump mem.
D (no other chars) Dump another 64 bytes
F[W][I] range data Fill memory. W=word, I=increment.
G addr Go (call) to addr
M start [data]... Modify mem.
data ::= hex_byte | string | char
string ::= "text"
char ::= 'c
R [reg_name = value] Optionally modify register(s), then display all regs.
reg_name ::= cc a b d dp x y u pc
Z [flag_val] Zot! Set operation mode. Bit flags set are:-
b0 Halt system (no return from monitor).
b1 Inhibit serial echo.
b2 Inhibit serial prompt output.
b3 Inhibit all monitor output (incl help).
b4 Pass all cmds to slave CPU. ESC,ESC to exit.
Examples:-
Z Re-initialize monitor. Lose trailing cmds.
Z 0 Restore normal operation, continue.
Z F Just accept commands, no system, echo, etc.
Z 2 Normal, but no echo (ie half duplex).
S1ccaaaadddddd....ddss<CR> Motorola data record. Load to memory.
Each hex line is treated as a command, so there is no special 'load' cmd.
Before sending hex, best to do a Z6 or Z7 to stop all other time
consuming tasks. When finished, do a Z 0 to restore normal ops.
An ASCII ACK ($06) is sent when line processing is complete and no
error found. This can be used as an acknowledge.
If an error is found, a '?' is returned. See s19_decode().
S0.... and S9.... Header and end records: ignored.
Does anyone have source to a 6809 monitor program?
I'm looking for something I can make work in a CoCo.
Functionality I'm looking for is something that will let me read and
write to memory.
--
--
tim lindner
"Proper User Policy apparently means Simon Says."
I was contacted about an 11/34 system available. It appears to be not just a
system, nor just a system in a rack, but pretty much a full installation and
all the trimmings (printers, terminals, documentation, media, etc.). I am
pretty sure some of the terminals will invoke interest at the very least ;)
Note - the person who has it is looking for a sale. No prices have been
discussed, but my impression is they aren't going to let it all go for $50
:) The stuff is located in the Detroit metro area.
I am not (nor do I want to be) involved in this transaction in any way. I'm
just passing it on. I would prefer to pass it to someone who has a
demonstrated ability (and resources) for rescues of this size and type of
equipment. All I care about is that the equipment is rescued and by a
responsible party. Do not email me expressing interest in just one or two
items. I will pass it all to one person - if THEY want to part it out *after
the deal* that's fine. I do have a single picture I can forward. If
interested email me directly..
Terminals (screen, keyboard, mouse) (1 is custom built)
- Quantity: 2 -Tektronix 4012
- Quantity: 1 -Tektronix 4010
- Quantity: 1 - Custom Built Tektronix
Printer Terminal with Monitor (keyboard)
- Quantity: 1 - Digital VT100
- Quatity: 2 - Digital VT105
Printer Terminal
- Quantity: 2 - DEC Writer IV
PDP 11/34 (edit by jay - I believe there is only one 11/34, not 4. I could
be wrong.)
- Quantity: 1 - 11/34A-DH - 115 Volts / 60Hz
- Quantity: 1 - 1134A-XE - 120 Volts / 60Hz
- Quantity: 1 - 11/34A-YE - 120 Volts / 60Hz
- Quantity: 1 - 11/34A DE - 120 Volts / 60Hz
Digital RL01 - Quantity: 2
Digital RL02 - Quantity: 2
Digital RX02 - Quantity: 4 - 1 out of the 4 is non-functioning
Digital RX01- Quantity: 2
DEC Magnetic Disk Drivers
- Quantity: 23 (possibly more)
Some are RL01K-DC and some are RL02K-DC
One has Fortinet on it
IEE Serial Display Quantity: 1
Digital M9202 Quantity: 5
Digital M9741 Quantity: 1
Digital M9312 Quantity: 1
Digital M9302 Quantity: 2
Digital M7850 Quantity: 2
Digital M9301 Quantity: 2
Digital QSC H322 Quantity 1, possibly 2
Various Spare Parts
-Printing Paper
-Original Printing Ink
-INMAC Air Filters
-RX02 Replacement Fan
-Extra Cable for PDP 11/34
-Moss Memory for PDP 11/34
-Spare Power Supplies
-3 cases of documentation for the different components and programs
Half Rack with Built In Power Supply Digital 872-A Quantity: 1
Full Rack, Chasf CD3001-99-0141 Quantity: 1
Anyone interested in the following books??
?? "OpenVMS with Apache, OSU, and WASD: The Nonstop Webserver"
????? (Alan Winston, Digital Press, 2003, 454 p.)?
?? "Teach Yourself COBOL in 24 Hours"?
????? (Thane Hubbell, SAMS, 1999, 477 p., incl. unused and
????? unopened CD-ROM)?
?? "TRS-80 Assembly Language Programming"
????? (William Barden Jr., Radio Shack/Tandy Corp., 1979, 224 p.)?
?? "Assembly Language Programming for the TRS-80 Model 16"
????? (Dan Keen & Dave Dischert, Tab Books, 1984, 184 p.)?
?? "ASP in a Nutshell: A Desktop Quick Reference"
????? (A. Keyton Weissinger, O'Reilly, 1999)?
Some other books can be seen here: <https://bit.ly/2CNOX5y>, also
some other computer and related items here: <https://bit.ly/2zMycbL>.?
All is located in the Netherlands.? On Friday they will be thrown
if nobody is interested.?
?- MG?
On this list, about 2.5 years ago, I offered up a bunch of misc computer books, PC parts, and software, for the cost of shipping, but then I got occupied with some other parts of life, and didn't follow through with those that responded.
I still have the emails and will let those that answered before get first dibs.
I will follow up with them in a day or so, if their emails still work.
But I have added more stuff to the list, including some misc hardware bits.
The current list is on http://dave.mitton.com/computer_clearance.html
I will give priority to the first, but if you don't come through with pickup or shipping costs,
they will go to the next in line.
I am hoping to move this stuff out in the next few months.
Thanks for your patience, hope some of this is useful.
Dave.
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
Let me start by saying this isn?t intended to start a flame war or anything. I?m genuinely curious.
Why is the VT100 so popular?
Personally I prefer the VT420?s, though I?d love a VT340/340+ or VT525.
I have VT100?s, 320?s and 420?s. I really only use VT420?s. In fact I have one sitting next to my desk in my office hooked to a DECserver 90TL.
Zane
Looking for used LTO-5 tapes that I can erase and add to my library at
home for backing up spinning disk archives. I can use LTO-4 as well but 5
gives the most bang for buck.
HMU
- Ethan
--
: Ethan O'Toole
On 10/4/2017 3:33 PM, Dominique Carlier via cctech wrote:
> Hi all
>
> I start here another topic concerning my research about a new Operating
> System for my freshly restored DCC-116 E.
>
> http://www.zeltrax.com/classiccmp_forum/second_boot/04.jpg
> http://www.zeltrax.com/classiccmp_forum/second_boot/02.jpg
>
> I originally intended to install RDOS on my machine but it seems very
> difficult to find the files needed to make a system installation tape.
>
FIRST: If you have drawings for the DCC, please let me know. I have
two of them (long in storage in the house, but they ran when I pulled
them from their Unitote/Regitel rack a couple of *decades* ago.
There is an RDOS - disk images, available at:
http://simh.trailing-edge.com/software.html
(Top entry in the list) It is about a 2.5MB disk image.
I suggest that you might download SimH and that image, configure SimH as
a straight Nova (rather than a /3 or /4) and see if it runs that image
OK. If so, there you go!
Beyond that, I *might* be able to help, but it will depend on what the
status of copyright is on what I have, and whether your system can even
run what I do have. I am looking into the copyright part of it - that
may take a week or two. (This is something I needed to to anyway).
In the meantime:
Do you have a way to *write* a tape image? I have an AWS format image
of an RDOS starter system. Note, however, that the label on the RDOS
starter image I have suggests it may only be appropriate for a NOVA 3
or NOVA 4, so it might not run on your system. So, I'd have to take
some time to boot it and try and set up a system for a straight Nova.
As this would take several hours, I'm not keen on doing that unless you
know that one from SimH will not work for you.
I also have some OS and compiler DG floppy images, if you have a
DG-compatible floppy setup. Several different operating systems there.
Same issue: one would have to see how many are compatible with a
straight Nova. I have images of the floppies.
Diagnostics for DG systems are notoriously difficult to find. I have a
few, in listing format.
JRJ
Hey all --
Picked up an A&J System 100 drive -- this is an Exatron Stringy Floppy with
a serial interface, meant to be used with the TRS-80 Model 100/102. I
found what purports to be software for it (see here:
http://www.club100.org/library/libups.html) but I haven't found any
documentation. It would be interesting to know what the protocol is for
talking to this thing.
Anyone have any info?
Thanks,
Josh
Mr. Hollerith's house is available.
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Hi,
I missed hearing about this, but Dr. Ken Bowles (father of UCSD Pascal)
passed away Aug 15 of this year.
http://jacobsschool.ucsd.edu/news/news_releases/release.sfe?id=2621
The story misses his important work on mainframes, including getting vector
mode
processing added to the Burroughs B6500 (which then became the B6700).
Stan
Hi, All,
I have a backup of some old code that I thought came from a Sun3
machine, and indeed, there _are_ binaries on there, in a directory
'sun' that _do_ run on a Sun3, verified under emulation with "tme".
The part that puzzles me is the collection of object files and
binaries in the directory above that. 'file' tells me that they are
"m68k COFF" files. From what I've read so far, COFF binaries are from
System V Release 2-4. What I can't reconcile is what they might have
been compiled on. Is it possible these were made for A/UX? The
relevant file dates (late-1988 through mid-1989) do overlap
availability of A/UX version 1.
If these are for A/UX, it would be handy to verify this, then it would
be more handy to be able to run them (I have source for some of this
but I'm having problems getting modern C compilers to digest
30-year-old crufty code, and for a couple of the utilities I need,
there is no source).
I'm reading of a "shoebill" emulator. Anyone have any experience with it?
Additionally, I'm reading that FreeBSD has a binary compatibility
layer for COFF but I wonder if that's for Intel binaries only or if it
extends to m68k.
I have a lot of experience with UNIX but my thinnest amount is in the
m68k arena (mostly some dabbling on Sun3 workstations and a
Perkin-Elmer 7350). Thanks for any pointers or tips.
-ethan
A friend of mine passed away a few days ago, and I am helping his brother
go through boxes of items. He was a research professer at the U of I, but
also spent time at CMU, Stanford and other places.
What I have had a chance to sort today follows, and there will be updates
throughout the week.
VIDEOS:
Tony Warnock- CRAY RESEARCH There are 3 tapes /day. I have 1-15 over 5 days?
Margaret Cahir -Cray Multitasking 6 tapes
John Rollwagen, CRAY- chairman and ceo,business, q and a organizational
changes- 4 tapes most dated 87, 88
also a tape labeled profile composite
TERA MTA report from SDSC 2 from 98, 1 from 99
Cray/ Silicon Graphics- The Power To See
UCA Professional Video Tape Plus- CRAY Applications Video Composite 1986
1600 BPI Perfect Benchmarks tape
A FEW of the Reports...
ACM SIGMETRICS 1994
ACM SIGMETRICS 2000
SPAA ACM 2002
SPAA ACM 2003
THE INTERNATIONAL JOURNAL OF SUPERCOMPUTER APPLICATIONS AND HIGH
PERFORMANCE COMPUTING VOL 1, NUM 1 SPRING 87 through VOL 8, NUM 2,
SUMMER 1994 22 volumes, might be missing a few. they could turn up tomorrow
CRAY -3 Hardware Reference Manual
CRAY Y-MP System Prog Reef Manual
Programmer Ref Manual
Functional Description Manual
CRAY UNICOS LINE EDITOR
I have 4-5 more boxes of books i will not get to tonight. There could be
another 20 boxes or more still there.
I am looking for reasonable offers and good homes. I am not a software guy,
my plate is more than full, and I have no place to store it.
Thanks, Paul
I'm a DEC guy so I don't know anything about the IBM world, but this is going up for auction on GovPlanet.com
<https://www.govplanet.com/for-sale/Other-IBM-Z196-Enterprise-Mainframe-Comp…>
Location is Richmond, VA
Seller: Commonwealth of Virginia, Dept. of General Services
IBM Z196 Enterprise Mainframe Computer
Mips:1280;MSU:160; Processors: 6 CP + 2 zIIPs; Storage: 32,768 meg
HSA Size-=16 GB; FICON express8 channels= 24; ESCON channels= 36; CTC/CNC Channels= 8 single mode
?Internal Coupling channels= 4; OSA Express3= 20;
Crypto Express3 cards= 2; Serial Number= 1D0E7
Bidder responsible for all loading and handling. Site does not have staff to assist with removing this lot.****Site does not ship**** Please contact Mike Shaffer at 804-297-2494 or e-mail mike.shaffer at vita.virginia.gov for inspection appointments or more information. Hours are by appointment only. Appointments may be scheduled Mon - Fri excluding holidays. All sales as is where is. No warranties or guarantees. Bidder to inspect in person to confirm condition
Just in case anyone is interested.
--
John H. Reinhardt
Hello,
I'm very interested in any media / documentation for Aviion machines too (I
have two of them).
Bruce: nice to hear from you!
>From your affirmation, I suspect there will be a very happy ending!
Any good news also for older OS for Nova and Eclipse (DOS, RDOS, AOS)?
Thanks
Andrea
(cross-posed to cctalk, vcf-midatlantic, and AHCS lists)
Imagine my surprise when I was catching up on my daily Vice News diet
today - watching today's and yesterday's episodes - when VCF
Mid-Atlantics's own Corey Cohen, InfoAge, and a VCFed banner popped up!
They did a story on an auction house and verification of an original
Apple 1 board up for sale. They called on Corey and his expertise to
verify the condition of the board!
Way to go Corey!
If you want to check out the segment, I've hosted it here:
https://www.atlhcs.org/links/Vice_Apple_Auction.ts
Enjoy!
-Alan H.
I sorted about 15 or so more of CRAY and other supercomputer items today.
Among other things were a bunch ACM Transactions on Mathematical Software
and a ton of Parallel Computing booklets.
There were probably 20 or more full CRAY folders. Also 6 or so CRAY
"gifts", like a key fob, a semi circular blade and other items. He is not
sure if he is going to keep them, and I have no idea what kind, if any
offer I should make.
There are probable 15 boxes of research papers, and he went to conferences
almost everywhere.
I figure I might get it all moved by Friday, then I'll have to go through
it.
Paul