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Fwd: BYTE SHOP HAYWARD COMPUTER STORE SURPLUS

by kyrrin＠bluefeathertech.com

Fellow techies, The Byte Shop's owner is preparing to 'unload the archive' of his store in Hayward. This news is based on the attached E-mail I received this afternoon. Interested parties should contact Michael directly, please. His E-mail address is clearly shown below. Keep the peace(es). *********** BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE *********** On 02-Apr-06 at 11:24 Michael D. Lipschutz <m.lipschutz at sbcglobal.net> wrote: >Howdy, > >I just read your internet piece on computer salvage. This month of April >2006, I am unloading the archive of my Hayward Byte Shop store. > >Hardware includes Compupro, Morrow, Kaypro, Otrona, and Apple components, >subassemblies, documentation and spare parts kits. > >Do you know if there exists an interest in this stuff? > >I can be best reached through my email address. > > >Mike Lipschutz >Byte Shop Hayward >m.lipschutz at sbcglobal.net > *********** END FORWARDED MESSAGE *********** -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Owner & Head Hardware Heavy, Blue Feather Technologies -- http://www.bluefeathertech.com kyrrin (at) bluefeathertech do/t c=o=m "If Salvador Dali had owned a computer, would it have been equipped with surreal ports?"

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11/45 interrupts

by ard＠p850ug1.demon.co.uk

I've had a quick look at my 11/45 printset. It appears that the interrupt handling is partially done by the processor microcde (page 12 of the microcode flows in my printset). And that there is no special path for the vector, it's goes via the normal data paths, into nromal intenral CPU registers, etc. So, I would propose the following tests : 1) Make sure you can read/write all bits from external memort. Just write 1, 2, 4 ,8, 16,.... to successive locations using the panel and examing them. Jsut to eliminate a silly fault like a dead data buffer. 2) Run the basic instruction diagnostic if you've not done so already. This should veryify that the data paths are OK. 3) If possible, try some other interrupting device. An obvious one is the console receiver. Wirre a program to : Load all the vectors with .+2, HALT as you did for the line time clock test that's failing.; Read the Console Rx data register to clear the data received bit (if necessary); then enable the receiver interrupt; and go into an endless loop. Then you press a key on the conosle. The processor should halt, but _where_ does it halt. If 4, then it appears the processor is ignoring all vectors. Hopefully this will point us in the right direction to look for the fault. -tony

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HP9000/345 SCSI Problem

by vp＠cs.drexel.edu

Hi, I have an HP9000/345 system with two HP-IB interfaces. However I see that inside there are two SCSI connectors (one with termination resistors next to a power socket for a disk drive. I also found a reference that HP shipped 345 systems with an internal SCSI disk drive. However, my system does not locate a SCSI controller when it boots (note I am talking about the boot monitor, I have not managed to boot an OS on this machine). If I remove the ribbon cable connecting the second HP-IB controller, the machine recognizes a SCSI controller , but if I connect anything to one of the SCSI connectors, the system complains that the SCSI controller registers are bad (failed test). I believe that there is some config problem (perhaps some jumpers need to be changed?). Anybody has any suggestions? Thanks **vp

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IBM 5154 smearing

by mbbrutman-cctalk＠brutman.com

A few weeks ago I rescued a 6Mhz IBM AT in an unusual rack mount case with a Plexiglass cover. I don't know how it got in that condition or how anybody permitted it, being as it was not shielded. But I digress .. (It is marvellous .. like the original case mod!) It had a 5154 with it that displayed output, but the output looked as though it was 'smearing' to the right. This made text look goofy. The problem was more apparent in graphics modes. A different 5154 or worked on the machine so it is definitely the monitor, not the EGA card. I'm a monitor novice. I know these things pack a punch, so I have a healthy respect for them. Are there any simple checks to make? (I have the Sams guides for the 5151 and the 5153, but not the 5154 so I'm kind of in the dark.) The machine also came with a 5151 that doesn't work at all. I don't even think it is getting power. For that one I can refer to the Sams guide. As for the rest of the machine, it was fine except for the full height hard disk. The hard disk would start spinning, but it sounded as though it was making metal shavings - I don't think there is any hope for it, so I replaced it with an modern IDE drive and controller. The machine has 1152KB, EGA with daughterboard, monochrome card, IBM 5250 emulation card, IBM token ring card, original BIOS and a single 1.2MB floppy drive.

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11/45 printsets?

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

I want to trace out the bus grant signals on my /45 to make sure there's not a break somewhere. However, I don't see the backplane printsets on bitsavers. I could start at the first unibus slot in the system backplane and check BG4 through BG7. However, I'd rather start at wherever those 4 signals actually originate. It's pretty hard to identify visually what pins and where, so I wanted to check the prints. Then I can check from where BG4-7 orignate to the end of the bus and make sure I have continuity. Can some one point me in the right direction? Jay West

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FA pdp11 KDF11 BOOT ROM -the chips themselves

by recycler＠swbell.net

pdp11 KDF11 BOOT ROM -the chips themselves http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8790431114

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FA DEC PRO 380 software P/OS software

by recycler＠swbell.net

DEC PRO 380 software P/OS software http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8790433769

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FA VAXELN 1.1 microfiche

by recycler＠swbell.net

VAXELN 1.1 microfiche http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8790431921

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FA Osborne System One with software

by recycler＠swbell.net

If you like the Osborne One, have a look. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8790429469

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ASR-33 teletype sounds

by djg＠pdp8.net

I have some movies with sound on http://www.pdp8.net/asr33/asr33.shtml

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ASR-33 teletype sounds

by legalize＠xmission.com

Does anyone know where to find some sound files of the ASR-33 chunking away on printing something out? Didn't the teletypes have a bell they rang near the right margin when printing a long line? Or was that only during input... -- "The Direct3D Graphics Pipeline"-- code samples, sample chapter, FAQ: <http://www.xmission.com/~legalize/book/> Pilgrimage: Utah's annual demoparty <http://pilgrimage.scene.org>

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classiccmping and cold weather

by chrism3667＠yahoo.com

I had thought lcds get damaged if theyre not allowed to warm up after getting too cold? Dont particularly know, but would think the freezing point of that stuph is much less then h2o. --- cctech-bounces at classiccmp.org <healyzh at aracnet.com> wrote: > At 9:33 PM +0100 2/18/06, lee at geekdot.com wrote: > > > What is the danger related to storing CC gear in extreme cold > >> temperatures? > > > >One thing to keep in mind is that some liquid crystal displays will be > >permanently damaged by freezing. Others will stop working, usually > >turning completely opaque or completely transparent, but will recover > >when they warm up. > > Interesting. Any idea if this would effect the original Game Boy's? > I don't know what it is about them, but I had two of them that lost > lines on the display after they sat unused for a year or two. At the > same time I'm fairly certain neither would have gotten frozen. > > Zane > > > -- > -- > | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | > | healyzh at aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | > | MONK::HEALYZH (DECnet) | Classic Computer Collector | > +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ > | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | > | PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. | > | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ | __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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Swapping 8237 for 8257 DMA controller

by cclist＠sydex.com

This is on an 8085-based system. It looks as if some of the features of the 8237 DMA controller (like autoinitialize) could come in very handy in a couple of situations. Right now, there's an 8257 in there. Other than some reprogramming, is it feasible to make this swap? Are there any timing issues that I need to be aware of? Cheers, Chuck

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Have dinosaur - need paper.

by jondjohnston＠hotmail.com

Joe, We have paper for HP 7245B. Regards, Jon Johnston HP Computer Museum http://www.hpmuseum.net

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another VCF contender?

by jack.rubin＠ameritech.net

homebrewing at its best! http://www.cs.pdx.edu/~harry/Relay/index.html -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.3/298 - Release Date: 3/30/2006

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RA6800ML

by henk.gooijen＠oce.com

I will look at what Byte Paperbacks I have. They are all about the 6800 (or perhaps more general: Motorola processors). I never quite liked the Intel stuff, but that is an other topic :-) I will probably make scans (next week) of the books I find in the attic (this weekend), so I will post a list. RA6800ML will be first, but if there is interest for some others, I will scan them in order of # requests. As a packratt I will indeed not sell books, except the case where I have more than one copy. "VAX Architecture" or something like it comes to mind ... - Henk. > -----Original Message----- > From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org > [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Holger Veit > Sent: vrijdag 31 maart 2006 9:22 > To: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > Subject: Re: RA6800ML > > Richard <legalize at xmission.com> wrote: > >In article <447524F844B59D48B8F7AE7F560935EE06C20047 at > OVL-EXBE01.ocevenlo.oce.net>, > > "Gooijen, Henk" <henk.gooijen at oce.com> writes: > > > >> Perhaps I should not type this message, and go to bed instead ... > >> I am not going to sell my book, if that is what you > >> suggest, Richard. > >> I can scan or make a paper copy, but I will keep the > >> original book. > > > >Sorry, I should have been more explicit... I meant that if > the >original poster who is looking for the book has an ISBN > then they >could find it through the Usual Suspects. > > The ISBN is available through the usual suspects - simply > lookup at Amazon, but I wrote I haven't seen it pop up for > used-sale for a while. I also do not expect Henk to sell it > to me, BTW; copies or scans would be perfect for me. > > >Henk, I thought you said you didn't want to copy/scan it > since that >would impose heavy wear on the spine? > > Now, I remember these paperbooks were not too thick (I once > had Emmerichs Tiny Assembler and MONDEB from that class - > unfortunately got lost - TinyAsm at least can be copied from > old 1977 Byte issues), so I'am not sure whether it will wear > out more than by simply reading the book. Unless you have a > multi-page scanner where you'd have to destroy the spine. > > Regards > Holger > > > This message and attachment(s) are intended solely for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged, confidential or otherwise exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient or agent thereof responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by telephone and with a "reply" message. Thank you for your cooperation.

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old HP manuals + HP Journal

by frustum＠pacbell.net

Every once in a while someone on this list will ask about manuals for some piece of vintage test equipment that they picked up for working on their vintage computer. I was looking for a manual for an HP 6284A power supply and found this ftp drop on agilent's site: ftp://ftp.agilent.com/pub/manuals There was no 6284 manual there, but there was one the 1630 logic analyzer, and of course lots of other HP equipment. The web page leading to this ftp site has an impossibly long URL, so I won't try to quote it, but the page does say: (quote) Help us share old manuals! If you have an electronic copy of an old HP or Agilent manual, we'd like to share it with your test colleagues. Send a brief email letting us know what you have, and we will contact you about receiving the file. I have a manual to share (manuals at agilent.com) (end of quote) I think it is great that they want to collect the old manuals (too bad they won't scan them themselves though). If you happen to have any scanned HP test equipment manuals, why not mail it to them to help build the archive? There is also a subdirectory of HP Journals, althoug there are only a dozen or so issues. I'd imagine they'd post copies of any issues sent to them as well. ftp://ftp.agilent.com/pub/manuals/HPJournal

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PDP-11/03 + VTserver?

by sb＠thebackend.de

Hi! Since I had to leave my 8/L behind for the next couple months I got myself a smaller toy for the meantime. It's a PDP-11/03 with LSI-11/2 CPU, 32k MOS memory and a DLV11-J serial interface card. It also had an EPROM-board and an unknown interface card (40-pin connector) by a company called "sprecher + schuh" but I removed those till I figure out what exactly they do. Some TU58 tapes came with the machine so I guess the EPROMs only contain some kind of bootloader and the main program came from the tape. I don't have the tape drive though. I made some adapter cables for the DLV11 and can talk to the ODT and execute small programs. To try something bigger I guess I can use VTserver. I don't have any tape-images to use with VTserver though. I found hints on the net saying it is possible to create xxdp and RT-11 tape images using simh or E11 or something like that. I didn't manage to do that myself though. I can boot both systems on the emulator but E11 crashes whenever I try to access the emulated DECtape II and simh doesn't seem to support it at all... Is there an idiot proof howto somewhere on the net that I missed? Could someone maybe send me some images to try? Is this the way to go at all or is there a better alternative to get software into the PDP? thanks in advance, Sebastian

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speaking of Televideo

by drb＠msu.edu

> I have 925 manual(s) and control code info somewhere. I'll try to > get them typed in. This trip into the attic was well worthwhile. I found several things, include my Yarmish&Yarmish 370 assembler book, and my Baase Vax assembler book. I also found the old Prime PL/P manual, the MTS sysprog and operator docs, etc. Cool! But, for this thread, the useful info is the Esprit 6310 and Televideo 925 manuals. I've scanned these, and they are available as PDF and zipped TIFFs, at: http://yagi.h-net.msu.edu/tvi925_ig.pdf http://yagi.h-net.msu.edu/tvi925_ig.zip http://yagi.h-net.msu.edu/esprit6310.pdf http://yagi.h-net.msu.edu/esprit6310.zip http://yagi.h-net.msu.edu/esprit6310errata.pdf http://yagi.h-net.msu.edu/esprit6310errata.zip I did the 6310 stuff because the terminal emulated, among other things, the 925, and the manual has some control code info which might prove useful. Esprit was the name later used by Hazeltine. (I suppose they had to escape from the legacy of a name associated with using a printing character as a control code. :>) Al Kossow, if you're listening: these are available for your archive if you want them. They were built using tumble; the TIFF files were generated using a Canon iR copier and OmniPage Pro 10. (Did I mention I'm a non-Windows guy? Grrr.) Unfortunately, the combination doesn't seem to be able to do anything but 300 dpi. Hope all of this does someone some good. De

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[LV] VAX 4000/500A System(free to pick up at Ohio, US)

by vax9000＠gmail.com

On 3/31/06, 9000 VAX <vax9000 at gmail.com> wrote: > > I forward this email from the linux-vax mailing list. The machine is still > available waiting to be picked up. It is in Lexington, Ohio, USA. Please > contack Tom directly. Thank you. > > vax, 9000 > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Ruckman, Thomas <Thomas.Ruckman at hst.stoneridge.com > > Date: Mar 9, 2006 8:33 AM > Subject: [LV] VAX 4000/500A System > To: linux-vax at pergamentum.com > > We have a VAX 4000/500A we have just decommissioned. We are now looking > for someone to take it off our hands. Would you be interested? > > > > Tom Ruckman > > Systems Administrator > > Stoneridge, Inc. Hi-Stat Lexington Div. > > Phone: 419-884-4126 > > E-mail: thomas.ruckman at hst.stoneridge.com > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > This electronic mail transmission contains confidential information > intended only for the person(s) named. Any use, distribution, copying or > disclosure by any other person is strictly prohibited. If you received this > transmission in error, please send an electronic mail message to > postmaster at hst.stoneridge.com. > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-Vax mailing list > Linux-Vax at pergamentum.com > http://www.pergamentum.com/mailman/listinfo/linux-vax > > >

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Fwd: [LV] VAX 4000/500A System

by vax9000＠gmail.com

I forward this email from the linux-vax mailing list. The machine is still available waiting to be picked up. It is in Lexington, Ohio, USA. Please contack Tom directly. Thank you. vax, 9000 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Ruckman, Thomas <Thomas.Ruckman at hst.stoneridge.com> Date: Mar 9, 2006 8:33 AM Subject: [LV] VAX 4000/500A System To: linux-vax at pergamentum.com We have a VAX 4000/500A we have just decommissioned. We are now looking for someone to take it off our hands. Would you be interested? Tom Ruckman Systems Administrator Stoneridge, Inc. Hi-Stat Lexington Div. Phone: 419-884-4126 E-mail: thomas.ruckman at hst.stoneridge.com ------------------------------ This electronic mail transmission contains confidential information intended only for the person(s) named. Any use, distribution, copying or disclosure by any other person is strictly prohibited. If you received this transmission in error, please send an electronic mail message to postmaster at hst.stoneridge.com. _______________________________________________ Linux-Vax mailing list Linux-Vax at pergamentum.com http://www.pergamentum.com/mailman/listinfo/linux-vax

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More 11/45

by pete＠dunnington.plus.com

On Mar 31 2006, 18:16, Ethan Dicks wrote: > Yes... the lowest trap vectors on _all_ PDP-11s are fixed and mean > something special when you hit them. I don't have a reference right > in front of me (should be in all of the small computer handbooks), but > on a different spot on that page, it mentions this... > > Location Contents Opcode Comment > > 000004 000006 Bus Error trap > 000006 000000 halt > 000010 000012 Reserved instruction trap > 000012 000000 halt > 000024 000026 Power fail trap > 000026 000000 halt > > ... so if you really are halting at 000004, sounds like a bus error. > Perhaps the code you toggled in can't find an I/O register it's > expecting. No, if you have set up the standard trap catcher, and you halt at 4, it loaded the vector from 0, executed the HALT instruction at 2, and the PC contains 4 by the time it stops or returns to ODT. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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New aquisition: Texas Instruments TI 980A

by jimkeng＠yahoo.com.tw

We need one Arithmetic unit 2 board. Can you tell us you can get one and sell to us? Thanks. Jim

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More 11/45

by pete＠dunnington.plus.com

On Mar 30 2006, 19:09, Jay West wrote: > I enter and run the Line Time Clock Interrupt test from that webpage, and > the system halts at location 4. How on earth? Does the 11/45 have some > interrupts to specific locations for things like power fail or something? > Should a unexpected trap to location 4 mean something special to me? I just had another thought. Standard traps for errors and software traps start at 4, and zero is reserved. Normal interrupt vectors for hardware devices use the area from 100 up to 400. 000000 is reserved, so if anything uses that as a vector, it's because you have some hardware fault. My guess would be something along the lines of a hardware device generating an interrupt, but apparently giving 000000 as a vector instead of the true value intended. Unlikely all three of your LTCs would do the same thing. Could be the CPU reading zeros due to a fault in the interrupt logic, as Tony suggested. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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More 11/45

by pete＠dunnington.plus.com

On Mar 30 2006, 19:09, Jay West wrote: > I enter and run the Line Time Clock Interrupt test from that webpage, and > the system halts at location 4. How on earth? Does the 11/45 have some > interrupts to specific locations for things like power fail or something? > Should a unexpected trap to location 4 mean something special to me? You mean the PC contains 4 when it halts? The LTC interrupt test you ran sets each of the vectors in low memory to contain two words: when the processor uses the vector, the first word is loaded into the PC. The LTC test fills each vector with a pointer to the second word of the vector, and put a halt instruction in the second word, so the reason your PC contains 4 when it halts is that it tried to use the vector at zero. The PC gets loaded with 000002 from location zero, and the processor executes the HALT instruction at 000002. By the time you see it, the PC has been autoincrememnted and contains 000004. > I also wanted to run the trap catcher program from that website to help test > software traps & interrupts. However, I don't understand part of what they > say to do. I can certainly enter the program, but then they say to deposit > 777 into loc 1000. That would overwrite the first word of the program. Not > sure what they want done there or I'd run that to see what it comes up with. Standard stuff. You're supposed to enter _and_execute_ the little program that fills memory with zeros -- that fills the vectors like the LTC test. After it's run, the vectors are set up, and *then* you replace the first instruction, at 001000, with 000777, which is a branch-to-self instruction. When you run *that* the processor will run in a tight loop until an interrupt or trap makes it jump through one of the vectors. If you use the first, shorter program, all the vectors contain 000000, and 000000 contains a halt instruction, so the branch-to-self halts at 000000 (so the PC will contain 000002) when it gets any interrupt or trap. If you use the second test instead of the first, each vector contains a pointer to its own second word, so it halts with the PC pointing to 4+the vector it used. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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RA6800ML

by holger.veit＠ais.fraunhofer.de

Richard <legalize at xmission.com> wrote: >In article <447524F844B59D48B8F7AE7F560935EE06C20047 at OVL-EXBE01.ocevenlo.oce.net>, > "Gooijen, Henk" <henk.gooijen at oce.com> writes: > >> Perhaps I should not type this message, and go to bed instead ... >> I am not going to sell my book, if that is what you suggest, Richard. >> I can scan or make a paper copy, but I will keep the original book. > >Sorry, I should have been more explicit... I meant that if the >original poster who is looking for the book has an ISBN then they >could find it through the Usual Suspects. The ISBN is available through the usual suspects - simply lookup at Amazon, but I wrote I haven't seen it pop up for used-sale for a while. I also do not expect Henk to sell it to me, BTW; copies or scans would be perfect for me. >Henk, I thought you said you didn't want to copy/scan it since that >would impose heavy wear on the spine? Now, I remember these paperbooks were not too thick (I once had Emmerichs Tiny Assembler and MONDEB from that class - unfortunately got lost - TinyAsm at least can be copied from old 1977 Byte issues), so I'am not sure whether it will wear out more than by simply reading the book. Unless you have a multi-page scanner where you'd have to destroy the spine. Regards Holger

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RA6800ML?

by henk.gooijen＠oce.com

Correct, I prefer to keep my books in good shape. But keeping a book on the shelf is not why they are printed. So, if I can be of help, the book will be *used* instead of just collecting dust. - Henk. > -----Original Message----- > From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org > [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Richard > Sent: vrijdag 31 maart 2006 0:23 > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > Subject: Re: RA6800ML? > > > In article > <447524F844B59D48B8F7AE7F560935EE06C20047 at OVL-EXBE01.ocevenlo. oce.net>, > "Gooijen, Henk" <henk.gooijen at oce.com> writes: > > > Perhaps I should not type this message, and go to bed instead ... > > I am not going to sell my book, if that is what you > suggest, Richard. > > I can scan or make a paper copy, but I will keep the original book. > > Sorry, I should have been more explicit... I meant that if > the original poster who is looking for the book has an ISBN > then they could find it through the Usual Suspects. > > Henk, I thought you said you didn't want to copy/scan it > since that would impose heavy wear on the spine? > -- > "The Direct3D Graphics Pipeline"-- code samples, sample chapter, FAQ: > <http://www.xmission.com/~legalize/book/> > Pilgrimage: Utah's annual demoparty > <http://pilgrimage.scene.org> > > This message and attachment(s) are intended solely for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged, confidential or otherwise exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient or agent thereof responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by telephone and with a "reply" message. Thank you for your cooperation.

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RA6800ML?

by henk.gooijen＠oce.com

I am 100% sure, that I have that book! Copy or scan is the same work for me :-) The drawback is that it will damage the glue of the spine ... I like to keep my books in perfect shape. There were a few more books from Byte (for the 6800) in that time. I have the Relocating Linker too. My first StarShip code was built using these programs! I also have several books from TSC. BASIC, editor, and 6800 Simulator [ on 6800 :-) ] comes to mind ... I will try to check this evening (I get home after 22:00). - Henk. > -----Original Message----- > From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org > [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Holger Veit > Sent: donderdag 30 maart 2006 14:22 > To: On-Topic Posts Only > Subject: RA6800ML? > > Hi, > for historical reasons I am looking for an electronic copy of > the RA6800ML relocating assembler for the Motorola 6800 > (surely one can find and even write from scratch PC-based > crossassemblers, and I do know of several of them, but this > is not interesting for me). > > This was published by Byte Paperbooks in 1978, and its ISBN > is still listed at Amazon et al, but hasn't appeared for > quite some time as a used book. I have located the > corresponding relocating linker (at least it seems to be it) > from Flex Usergroup downloads (where it is listed as > "unidentified/RA6800ML") but this linker is likely the code > from another Byte paperbook of that time. Or if someone has > this book and could xerox it for me, provided we can > negotiate some method to transfer expenses - I'd be willing > to pay reasonably. > > THX & Regards > Holger > > > This message and attachment(s) are intended solely for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged, confidential or otherwise exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient or agent thereof responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by telephone and with a "reply" message. Thank you for your cooperation.

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11/45 printsets?

by Useddec＠aol.com

Hi Jay, I think I have a set I could loan you, but weren't there two different models? A "B" and a "C" I think. I don't type well, But I'm willing to give you phone support on my dime. Thanks, Paul

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Eletronics Learning Lab

by rpost4＠cfl.rr.com

I recently saw a thread posted on the parts list for the Radio Shack model 28-280 kit does any one have the manual for it my son would be extremely appreciative. Allen

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Tektronix catalogs? Have 1982, 1985 want > 1985

by Useddec＠aol.com

Hi, I have 82,83,85,86,87, and 88. Maybe more. What do you need? Can I give you specs over the phone? Thanks, Paul

20 years, 5 months

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Possible job for PDP-11 fan

by cclist＠sydex.com

We just got a query from a fellow in India who's got a PCB milling machine connected to a PDP 11/53 running Micro RSX. He's got his data on a Seagate ST-251. He wants to convert this setup over to Peecee, migrating the HD data and running an emulator (he mentions ertz-11). He's asking for a quote to do this. Anyone want to take this one on? If so, drop me an email offline. We'd rather not, because of the distance involved and our unfamiliarity with his setup. Cheers, Chuck

20 years, 5 months

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Thanks! (was: Image of MSDOS 6.22, Disk 1 available?

by zmerch-cctalk＠30below.com

Thanks to Richard Cini & Bob Lafleur, everything's been taken care of! Thanks again, guys! Roger "Merch" Merchberger -- Roger "Merch" Merchberger -- SysAdmin, Iceberg Computers zmerch at 30below.com What do you do when Life gives you lemons, and you don't *like* lemonade?????????????

20 years, 5 months

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Is this blue disk cabinet an IBM?

by legalize＠xmission.com

It looks IBM blue :-). The description is the typical non-descriptive description I've come to expect from govliquidation: "LOT (11)LDV DISK STORAGE RACKS, IN WOODEN CRATES" <http://www.govliquidation.com/aucimg/photos/2118/2117492.jpg> <http://www.govliquidation.com/aucimg/photos/2118/2117493.jpg> <http://www.govliquidation.com/aucimg/photos/2118/2117494.jpg> <http://www.govliquidation.com/aucimg/photos/2118/2117495.jpg> -- "The Direct3D Graphics Pipeline"-- code samples, sample chapter, FAQ: <http://www.xmission.com/~legalize/book/> Pilgrimage: Utah's annual demoparty <http://pilgrimage.scene.org>

20 years, 5 months

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Is this blue disk cabinet an IBM?

by aek＠bitsavers.org

Billy P. would know for sure, but it looks like a CDC Hawk (5440-ish 10mb drive) to me.

20 years, 5 months

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Image of MSDOS 6.22, Disk 1 available?

by zmerch-cctalk＠30below.com

Well, I'm working on reworking my PC setup (it's the only accessible EPROM burner for my old stuff), and I want to set up an MS-DOS (and maybe Win3.11) bootable partition - prolly on a 256Meg USB key, if my BIOS can boot from it. That would give me a nice portable environment for burning EPROMs and the JV CoCo3 emulator w/all my schtuff in one spot. So, whilst drudging 'round my attic, I came across my original Dos6.22 & Win3.11 disks - and yes, they're totally original & legal ;-). I promptly went to make images of them just in case - and my Disk 1 of MS-DOS 6.22 is hosed. Anyone happen to have an image (rawrite/dd is fine) I could 'borrow' via email to reformat that floppy? -- (assuming the media's not damaged - else I'll make a backup floppy and tape it to the original as proof of legal ownership) My other 2 MS-DOS & Win3.11 disks read/imaged fine, so if anyone needs to restore one of their legal copies, I'd be more than happy to provide. ;-) To my knowledge, the request isn't illegal or out-of-line, but if I am, please LART me and ignore the request. ;-) Thanks! Roger "Merch" Merchberger -- Roger "Merch" Merchberger -- SysAdmin, Iceberg Computers zmerch at 30below.com What do you do when Life gives you lemons, and you don't *like* lemonade?????????????

20 years, 5 months

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ISO: Motorola RGP documentation

by dgy＠DakotaCom.Net

Hi, This is a LOOONNGG (*very* long!) shot, but does anyone have any information on Motorola's RGP (I think 1980 timeframe)? I can't seem to find my manual anywhere (though there are still boxes hidden for me to dig through -- along with others stored off-site). Thanks! --don

20 years, 5 months

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Old 68k Macintosh?

by dbetz＠xlisper.com

I know that these are supposed to be quite common but there don't seem to be any on eBay at the moment. I'm looking for an old 68k Macintosh, preferably something like a Quadra 800, to use to run Macintosh Common Lisp. I used to have a bunch of old Macs but I've gotten rid of all of them except a Color Classic and I find its screen too small to use for Lisp development. Anyone have a Quadra 800 with a 14/15" color monitor they want to get rid of? I would prefer one with an internal CD-ROM drive. Other Macs (maybe the LC475) might be okay too but I'd like one with a 68040 processor. Thanks, David Betz

20 years, 5 months

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RA6800ML?

by holger.veit＠ais.fraunhofer.de

Hi, for historical reasons I am looking for an electronic copy of the RA6800ML relocating assembler for the Motorola 6800 (surely one can find and even write from scratch PC-based crossassemblers, and I do know of several of them, but this is not interesting for me). This was published by Byte Paperbooks in 1978, and its ISBN is still listed at Amazon et al, but hasn't appeared for quite some time as a used book. I have located the corresponding relocating linker (at least it seems to be it) from Flex Usergroup downloads (where it is listed as "unidentified/RA6800ML") but this linker is likely the code from another Byte paperbook of that time. Or if someone has this book and could xerox it for me, provided we can negotiate some method to transfer expenses - I'd be willing to pay reasonably. THX & Regards Holger

20 years, 5 months

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old DRAM chips

by rtellason＠blazenet.net

I have some early DRAM chips, was wondering if any of you guys would be interested? It's gonna take me some digging to get to where they are, so I figure I'd ask first before doing that. :-) If there's some interest I'll dig 'em out and post a list. -- Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and ablest -- form of life in this section of space, a critter that can be killed but can't be tamed. --Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet Masters" - Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James M Dakin

20 years, 5 months

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More on disposition of radio collections - reflections from a semi-old collector

by marvin＠rain.org

This subject comes up from time to time, and I ran across the following post to the Heath Listserver that applies equally to classic computers. He makes some very good points, and I too am becoming more and more aware of things that should be done to preserve some of the less common stuff that I have. ************** I've been following the recent thread on Boat Anchors regarding large collections of ham radio equipment and the (eventual) problem of disposing of them after the collector's eventual (and inevitable, I might add) demise and exit from this world. I, too, have accumulated my share of old radio's - both amateur radio types and broadcast types. When I was younger, I frankly did not give much thought to what a burden these might be to my family when I pass away. But now I am older (just retired and a 'youngish' 65) and I have certainly given the problem much more thought. Additionally I have helped other's dispose of their collections and have, in some cases, purchased collections of equipment for my own collection. Anyways here are some serious thoughts for those of us who love our radio's. 1. Make a list of your radio's and keep it up to date. Include an estimate of condition and what you would guesstimate the 'street value' is. Make sure your wife and family know where this list is. 2. Make a list of people and organizations your wife and family can turn to for help when the time comes to dispose of your equipment. In my case, this includes a few local hams and the antique radio club that I belong to. 3. Keep your collection honed down! Purge it on a regular basis. EBAY and these lists are a great way to keep the surplus down I'm still working on that part of it and, more or less constantly, I go though my 'stuff' (not just ham or radio gear either) and get it gone! 4. Buy with discrimination! It is easy to become a hoarder! I am trying to be more discriminating now - in fact, I skipped the last couple of hamfests. I only buy what really appeals to me and only at a good 'value point'. I have plenty and plenty of radio's to work on. I do enjoy the hunt for new and interesting radios (building an HBR is still a dream) but I am more discriminating that before. Plus I try to sell some for every one I buy (kind of spread the joy). So it is serious - this 'obsession' that we have. It does behove us to try to keep it in check and try to make things easier for your spouse and your family when the big cleanup is needed. With any luck, I'll sell my last radio just before you pass on and that will be one less burden for my wife to cope with. Meanwhile I intent to have some fun with my collection. But remember - the emphasis should be on the fun (and in preserving old radios!). 73 de WA2CKY Bob Groh

20 years, 5 months

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Commodore 64 for grabs

by florit＠gmail.com

Hi, I've got an old C64 that I've been unable to make it work and don't have time to play with it. Free to anyone that could use it for parts or fix; has power supply (brick). If you could help me w/ shipping I'd appreciate it. Please email me if interested. If there is no interest its going to the trashbin. L -- Louis Florit AIM: lflorit MSN:louis_florit at hotmail.com Y!: indygolunaria GoogleTalk: florit at gmail.com

20 years, 5 months

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Craters and Freighters

by legalize＠xmission.com

I just used this company to get Patrick's Megatek "Whizzer" graphics terminal (1984) to my house in Salt Lake from Dallas. (Sweet unit by the way!) I selected their "cardboard crate" option and they prepared everything for shipment and contracted with a freight carrier to have it delivered to my house. (There was also a RSTS distribution on magtape combined with this, thanks Patrick!) They did a very professional job of wrapping and cushioning everything in the crate and it was delivered in a timely manner with no damage. Their home page <http://www.cratersandfreighters.com> has a photo gallery of the various crates that they've built for items they've shipped. The company history says that they started in Silicon Valley in 1990 and that they specialize in the shipping of electronics, art and antiques. I would recommend anyone needing freight shipping to check them out. They work directly with dovebid and govliquidation and are familiar with those sorts of auction lots. -- "The Direct3D Graphics Pipeline"-- code samples, sample chapter, FAQ: <http://www.xmission.com/~legalize/book/> Pilgrimage: Utah's annual demoparty <http://pilgrimage.scene.org>

20 years, 5 months

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Nixdorf LK-3000 on Yahoo! auctions

by cclist＠sydex.com

Maybe of interest to the HHC folks? $10 right now.

20 years, 5 months

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booting rt11 v5.1 on an 11/45

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

The 11/45 will boot xxdp+ v1, but won't boot RT11 v5.1. Upon booting the RT11 v5.1 RL02 pack, the disk flashes for about 5-8 seconds, then the processor just halts. First question which I didn't see in the RT11 5x docs... what exactly would the hardware requirements be for RT11 5.1 on a 11/45? Is it expecting a minimum of memory? Certain I/O devices at certain locations? I tried both a real DEC RT11 v5.1 RL02 dist. pack, and also was able to gen one from a 5.1 image on a scratch pack with vtserver. The only thing I can think of (and another listmember point to as well) is a problem with interrupts. But I've no idea how exactly to go about troubleshooting it, not being a DEC expert like others here :) I've gone back and forth between using 8K core, 16K core, or 128k unibus memory. Similar results. My copy of xxdp+ seems a bit old, so most diags I have seem to have older names. Any thoughts are most appreciated! Jay West

20 years, 5 months

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KY11-LB behavior question

by ISC277＠CLCILLINOIS.EDU

I just have a question about Standby mode on an 11/34. I read it's supposed to leave power applied to MOS, but do the fans and whatnot turn off along with the CPU? Or are they supposed to stay on? My junk's in a BA11-K box.

20 years, 5 months

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speaking of Televideo

by chrism3667＠yahoo.com

the manual for my T Personal Mini calls for a T 925 or 950 for the console. Floppies (bad) have emulator software that makes a pc look like one of those. So does anyone know of another way of emulating a T terminal, or perhaps got one theyll let go cheapish? This all assumes the hard drive even works, but what have I got to lose. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

20 years, 5 months

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Powerstation 370

by davebarnes＠adelphia.net

Hello all; I have been offered an RS/6000 Powerstation 370. Not sure of whats in it yet... can anyone shed some light on this system? Is it a decent machine for running latest AIX versions? Thanks David Barnes davebarnes AT adelphia DOT net OpenVMS , Tru64 , Solaris , Linux , OS X , SGI Irix

20 years, 5 months

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Unisys A Series ?

by dave06a＠dunfield.com

Had this machine dropped on me last night... Can anyone tell me anything about it? So far, google etc. have turned up little. It's a "squat" format workstation or server of some kind: 11"w x 18"d x 21"h Front bears the name: UNISYS A SERIES Two doors reveal: Upper: Tape drive, CD-ROM, Floppy Lower: Power/Drive lights and key switch Two serial number labels on the back, a smaller one which says: Style: A7-311 And a larger one which says: Style: CER4344-100 One of labels inside says it was made in 1994. Appears to be somewhat "PC-ish": - Large maniboard with EISA slots - CPU card with 486 CPU and "OVerdrive socket" - VGA connector on back - PS/2 Keyboard and Mouse connectors - Also has serial, parallel, SCSI and UPS connectors. It also has a very large network card, and another card with more RAM and several large UniSys chips that I don't recognize (one with a large metal lid with the warning "DO NOT PRESS ON LID" printed on it!). It powers up, but reports that it's configuration is bad, and that I should run the setup disk. All I can do is press F1 to try and boot the floppy. Doesn't appear to be a PC - attempt to boot a DOS floppy results in silence (machine sucks on it for a while, then goes into la-la land). Attempt to boot a cleaning disk results in the message "Disk read error" and return to the "Press F1" prompt. (which suggests that it didn't have trouble reading the DOS disk). Can anyone tell me exactly what this is? What does it run? Any information would be appreciated. Regards, Dave -- dave06a (at) Dave Dunfield dunfield (dot) Firmware development services & tools: www.dunfield.com com Collector of vintage computing equipment: http://www.parse.com/~ddunfield/museum/index.html

20 years, 5 months

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Wanted: Ohio Scientific...

by lee＠geekdot.com

> I can understand the first two but there should be a fair number > of C4Ps out there. There are, it's just that we want to keep them. 8^)= (Well I do anyway) Lee.

20 years, 5 months

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Computer book downloads

by rborsuk＠colourfull.com

Hi All, I just found this site. Has some decent computer books for download for free. http://www.computer-books.us Some "not so vintage" but some of the programming languages are (Fortran, ADA, etc.). Rob

20 years, 5 months

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NY/CT collectors

by CCTalk＠catcorner.org

Count me in... > ---------- > From: Sridhar Ayengar > Reply To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > Sent: Monday, March 27, 2006 9:12 PM > To: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > Subject: Re: NY/CT collectors > > William Donzelli wrote: > >> Count me in! I'm in Putnam so anyplace in NY/CT or N. NJ/Rockland > >> County works for me. Pizza/Beer location sounds like a good idea. > > > > OK, that makes four or five of us. > > > > Anyone else? Let's pick a time and place. Ideas? > > How about Longobardi's in Wappingers? Food's pretty good. > > Peace... Sridhar >

20 years, 5 months

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toxic obsessive-compulsive disorder ....

by marvin＠rain.org

I remember flying all over the US with my toolkit. Then once at LAX, United said no and I had to check my toolkit. The toolkit was broken when I arrived at the next stop and my luggage was sent to the wrong city. After I got back, I raised hell at the United office, and never flew with them again until many many years after I had left that job. Still makes me irritated when I think about it including the nonsense with TSA. I *REALLY* dislike stupid people! > From: "Bob Bradlee" <Bob at BRADLEE.ORG> > Any else remember we could carry our toolcase containing many implements of destruction and toxic sprays on an airplane > and only had to show a business card at security, > It helped to have a 465 scope on a the luggage cart with it when you pulled up to the early Xray systems at security. > Scope went under the seat and the toolbox went in the over head bin. > Those were the good old days :) > > Bob Bradlee

20 years, 5 months

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Escon Microcomputer/Selectric Interface System

by marvin＠rain.org

The information indicates their address as: ESCON Products, Inc. 171 Mayhew Way Suite 204 Pleasant Hill, CA 94523 I don't know that area, or if it is close to Walnut Creek. The installation instructions detail how to install the magnets and wiring onto a Selectric. Volume II contains the illustrations of the Selectric that go with the installation instructions. When I go back over (hopefully tomorrow), I'll check and see if any Selectrics survived the dumpster. > From: Fred Cisin <cisin at xenosoft.com> > > 1) IS IT the one from Walnut Creek, CA? > > On Tue, 28 Mar 2006, Marvin Johnston wrote: > > Yes, the box is basically a 6502 microprocessor and support chips, and has no > > mechanical connections to the Selectric. > > >"the magnets used in the ESCON conversion kits have 55-ohm coils, except > > for the shift magnet which has a 130-ohm coil." > > There were no magnets in this package. I suspect if there was a > > Selectric already prepared with the magnets, it got dumpstered before I > > got a chance to check this stuff out. > > that does not seem to be consistent with an electronic only, no mechanical > connection, system > > You appear to be missing the other half of it, that connects to the > selectric > >

20 years, 5 months

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toxic obsessive-compulsive disorder ....

by James＠jdfogg.com

> Playing with mercury as a kid, Making lead army men from the > lead we dug out of a pistol range after hours, Holding lead > solder in my mouth and working over a solder pot for years as > a service monkey. > Not to mention the early transformers we drained the oil > from, or the wide assortment of flux removers, freon cool > sprays, electro clean washes and other cleaning sprays and > solvents used and consumed during the 60's and 70's, > > It is a wonder most of us old timers are still alive :) Same here, I think the lead and mercury form an amalgam that flows in our bloodstream and shields us from the other inhaled and dermal absorbed chemicals. > >Apparently, it leads to an obsessive-compulsive disorder where the > >poisoned tries to collect as much computer junk as will fit on his > >property. The advanced cases show signs of renting and borrowing space to hold equipment that won't fit into their own property. I've seen where once the cellar and living room and dining room are filled (and the wife has left the marriage) they go on to spending all free money on rental sheds and even warehouse space. The truly sick go on to form museums so they can write off their expenses on their income tax.

20 years, 5 months

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KY11-LB behavior question

by henk.gooijen＠oce.com

Again, from (my) memory :-) If core is installed, the standby position is of no use. To use the backup battery the 4th "power brick" is an H775 (IIRC) which is needed for the battery charging/regulation. If you have core in the machine, the 4th power brick in the power supply (H765?), is the H754 for core (+20V and -5V). - Henk. > -----Original Message----- > From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org > [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Julian Wolfe > Sent: woensdag 29 maart 2006 16:27 > To: 'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts' > Subject: RE: KY11-LB behavior question > > Okay, it's just that I was testing the switch position just > to see what it did, and everything went off including the > front panel. I guess it's supposed to do that. > > I don't know why DEC didn't put a standby LED on the front - > you'd think because it's already powering the MOS, you > wouldn't care about powering some silly LED. > > What does that position do if core is installed? > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org > > [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Gooijen, Henk > > Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 12:49 AM > > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > > Subject: RE: KY11-LB behavior question > > > > It's been a long time I had the switch at the Standby position. > > *IIRC*, everything goes OFF, and only MOS memory is > powered, but there > > are a few wires on the backplane, where the power leads are > soldered, > > that connect the backup supply pins to the main supply pins. To use > > the memory battery backup, you must remove these wires, but > without a > > battery and the charger plus a cable to the BA11 power > supply, it is > > useless. > > > > - Henk. > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org > > > [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Wolfe, Julian > > > Sent: dinsdag 28 maart 2006 22:52 > > > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > > > Subject: KY11-LB behavior question > > > > > > I just have a question about Standby mode on an 11/34. I > read it's > > > supposed to leave power applied to MOS, but do the fans > and whatnot > > > turn off along with the CPU? Or are they supposed to > stay on? My > > > junk's in a BA11-K box. > > > > > > This message and attachment(s) are intended solely for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged, confidential or otherwise exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient or agent thereof responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by telephone and with a "reply" message. Thank you for your cooperation.

20 years, 5 months

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FT: Two MM11-DP modules (maybe for sale)

by ISC277＠CLCILLINOIS.EDU

Hello! I'm looking to trade my two MM11-DP memory modules for a 128kw(256kb) module of MOS memory. (Preferably MS11-LD) Anyone who is interested in the MM11-DP modules let me know, I may be convinced to sell them if the price is right. Julian

20 years, 5 months

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KY11-LB behavior question

by henk.gooijen＠oce.com

Uhhmm, there *is* a standby LED on the front panel, it is called BATT. You will see "something" of this LED only when a battery is installed in the system. Here are the LED states: OFF : battery voltage is below the minimum level required to maintain the contents of the MOS memory, or the battery is not present in the system (probably your situation) FLASH SLOW : (once per 2 seconds) battery is charging and the voltage is above the required level to maintain the contents of th MOS memory if power is removed FLASH FAST : (ten times per second) primary power is lost and the battery is discharging while maintaining MOS memory contents ON : battery is present and fully charged. - Henk. > -----Original Message----- > From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org > [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Julian Wolfe > Sent: woensdag 29 maart 2006 16:27 > To: 'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts' > Subject: RE: KY11-LB behavior question > > Okay, it's just that I was testing the switch position just > to see what it did, and everything went off including the > front panel. I guess it's supposed to do that. > > I don't know why DEC didn't put a standby LED on the front - > you'd think because it's already powering the MOS, you > wouldn't care about powering some silly LED. > > What does that position do if core is installed? > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org > > [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Gooijen, Henk > > Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 12:49 AM > > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > > Subject: RE: KY11-LB behavior question > > > > It's been a long time I had the switch at the Standby position. > > *IIRC*, everything goes OFF, and only MOS memory is > powered, but there > > are a few wires on the backplane, where the power leads are > soldered, > > that connect the backup supply pins to the main supply pins. To use > > the memory battery backup, you must remove these wires, but > without a > > battery and the charger plus a cable to the BA11 power > supply, it is > > useless. > > > > - Henk. > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org > > > [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Wolfe, Julian > > > Sent: dinsdag 28 maart 2006 22:52 > > > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > > > Subject: KY11-LB behavior question > > > > > > I just have a question about Standby mode on an 11/34. I > read it's > > > supposed to leave power applied to MOS, but do the fans > and whatnot > > > turn off along with the CPU? Or are they supposed to > stay on? My > > > junk's in a BA11-K box. > > > > > > This message and attachment(s) are intended solely for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged, confidential or otherwise exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient or agent thereof responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by telephone and with a "reply" message. Thank you for your cooperation.

20 years, 5 months

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KY11-LB behavior question

by fireflyst＠earthlink.net

Okay, it's just that I was testing the switch position just to see what it did, and everything went off including the front panel. I guess it's supposed to do that. I don't know why DEC didn't put a standby LED on the front - you'd think because it's already powering the MOS, you wouldn't care about powering some silly LED. What does that position do if core is installed? > -----Original Message----- > From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org > [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Gooijen, Henk > Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 12:49 AM > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > Subject: RE: KY11-LB behavior question > > It's been a long time I had the switch at the Standby position. > *IIRC*, everything goes OFF, and only MOS memory is powered, > but there are a few wires on the backplane, where the power > leads are soldered, that connect the backup supply pins to > the main supply pins. To use the memory battery backup, you > must remove these wires, but without a battery and the > charger plus a cable to the BA11 power supply, it is useless. > > - Henk. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org > > [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Wolfe, Julian > > Sent: dinsdag 28 maart 2006 22:52 > > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > > Subject: KY11-LB behavior question > > > > I just have a question about Standby mode on an 11/34. I read it's > > supposed to leave power applied to MOS, but do the fans and whatnot > > turn off along with the CPU? Or are they supposed to stay on? My > > junk's in a BA11-K box. > > > > > > > > This message and attachment(s) are intended solely for the > use of the addressee and may contain information that is > privileged, confidential or otherwise exempt from disclosure > under applicable law. > If you are not the intended recipient or agent thereof > responsible for delivering this message to the intended > recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, > distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly > prohibited. > If you have received this communication in error, please > notify the sender immediately by telephone and with a "reply" > message. > Thank you for your cooperation. > > > >

20 years, 5 months

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toxic obsessive-compulsive disorder ....

by James＠jdfogg.com

> Frankly, I expected my comments about mercury and lead > exposure to cause a larger debate. There's plenty of > tinfoil-hat info on the web that makes it sound like merely > looking at lead and mercury will fry your brain. But if > toxoplasmosis infection causes rats to no longer fear cat > urine, I'd also at least listen to anyone with a reasoned > argument that typical nerd exposure to various toxic > substances could enhance forms of obsessive-compulsive > afflictions, including hoarding. My list of chemical exposure is huge, and includes automotive chemicals and paints, industrial chemicals, commercial cleaners and degreasers, and smart-but-stoopid kid exposures (smart enough to experiment, didn't know about the risks). I do have a serious genetic disease that will result in a short lifespan. I don't know if its from my life exposure or exposure to a toxic dumpsite that my mother lived next to as a child (hexavelent chromium and other stuff in Woburn, MA). Out of 4 kids I'm the only one with the disease, so it could be from my technochemical exposures. I also have technology-hoarding disorders that I struggle with daily ;-)

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who built the first 8086/88 based puter?

by chrism3667＠yahoo.com

in all likelihood Intel is far too simplistic an answer (although I do recall seeing pictures of multibus type boxes with an Intel monniker, so things like that could possibly qualify). I suppose even a sbc could qualify, or even some sort of add-on for an established system. But sdks from Intel (or others) dont. Seattle Gazelle? What about 80186 firsts? 80286? I know the popular conception is that Compaq built the first 386 desktop, but I seem to recall ALR being numero uno (pretty sure it was ALR). __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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another mysterious chip

by RMeenaks＠olf.com

It is the standard CUT (color-lookup table) used in pretty much all the early VGA especially IBM. AD is analog Devices which had a compatible one. I don't have the time to get the datasheet out now (have midterms this week), but I know I definitely have them (its in the graphics databook as well which I certainly have), so when I have the time, I'll put them online... Ram > -----Original Message----- > From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org > [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Chris M > Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 5:08 PM > To: cctech at classiccmp.org > Subject: RE: another mysterious chip > > > whos AD? It seems the PS2 model 25 has something > similar also (G171?). I was hoping there was nothing > but off the shelf stuph on this thing. I have an IBM > PGA card on the way - does that have a crt controller > also in addition to an 8088? Seeing that these things > may have formed the basis for the VGA, what other > cards/systems have them? I would really appreciate the > data sheet if you can find the time. > --- cctech-bounces at classiccmp.org <RMeenaks at olf.com> > wrote: > > That is the INMOS G170 graphics chip. Used in the > IBM graphics cards. > > I got the datasheet somewhere in my house :-) > > I remember AD also made a pin-compatible version of > it too... > > > > Cheers, > > > > Ram > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org > > > [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf > Of Chris M > > > Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 11:28 PM > > > To: tech > > > Subject: another mysterious chip > > > > > > > > > First line: circle possibly with M in it, INMOS B. > > > Second line: IMSG170S35 (pretty sure). Third line: > > > 8611 - obviously date of manufacture. Chip has a > gold > > > cover, and is present on a dual 8-bit graphics > card > > > made by Vermont Microsystems, 80188 on board > (similar > > > to an IBM PGA card). Works in a P166MMX DTK > mobo...but > > > not in my IBM PC/AT. And yer know what else...it > > > emulates CGA (pretty well seemingly, but only > tested > > > it with QBasic thus far). O for the drivers to > access > > > its wild advanced modes *snifful*. > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com >

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MPF-1 Manuals

by f2hj.p.theunis＠hetnet.nl

Can you please make mij a copy of the schematic's of the mpf-1 ? greetings. Hans theunis j.p.theunis at freeler.nl

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Things for Free - Columbus, Ohio

by zap＠columbus.rr.com

I have not found any interest on the net in this equipment, so hopefully it might be worth something to someone if offered for free, otherwise it may be destined for the dump when I have to move. AT&T Unix PC (Internal HD, boots to prompt) Vector Graphic Memorite w/ manual Original IBM PC & Printer (both in zip up carry bags) I certainly wouldn't turn down a small donation for anything here, but I'd rather see it go to a good home than get pitched. I can't afford to move everything I have with me off to school! Thanks, Chris

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KY11-LB behavior question

by henk.gooijen＠oce.com

It's been a long time I had the switch at the Standby position. *IIRC*, everything goes OFF, and only MOS memory is powered, but there are a few wires on the backplane, where the power leads are soldered, that connect the backup supply pins to the main supply pins. To use the memory battery backup, you must remove these wires, but without a battery and the charger plus a cable to the BA11 power supply, it is useless. - Henk. > -----Original Message----- > From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org > [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Wolfe, Julian > Sent: dinsdag 28 maart 2006 22:52 > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > Subject: KY11-LB behavior question > > I just have a question about Standby mode on an 11/34. I > read it's supposed to leave power applied to MOS, but do the > fans and whatnot turn off along with the CPU? Or are they > supposed to stay on? My junk's in a BA11-K box. > > > This message and attachment(s) are intended solely for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged, confidential or otherwise exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient or agent thereof responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by telephone and with a "reply" message. Thank you for your cooperation.

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SWP ATR8000 with hard drive upgrade....

by Jose.Korneluk＠motorola.com

Curt, Do you still have the ATR8000 co-power-88 software and docs? Let me know, I will have some free time this summer and I would like to lay out a new co-power-88 PCB and make it available to all those interested. -- jos? k. 954.723.8072 office 954.818.1856 nextel UFMI: 158*213*49 jose.korneluk at motorola.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Sentido comun es el menos comun de todos los sentidos" "Common sense is the least common of all the senses" ... Spanish proverb ------------------------------------------------------------------------

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11/45 RTC

by henk.gooijen＠oce.com

I scanned a few xxdp *listings* and the DL11-W is among them ... Check http://www.classiccmp.org/bitsavers/pdf/dec/pdp11/xxdp/listings/ there is DL11-E, DL11-W, DL11, another DL11-E, and at the bottom of the list are a few MAINDECs DL11-E, DL11-C-D-E. I might have missed one. - Henk, PA8PDP. > -----Original Message----- > From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org > [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Jay West > Sent: woensdag 29 maart 2006 6:27 > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > Subject: Re: 11/45 RTC > > It was written.... > > DL11-W prints and user manual are on bitsavers I believe: > > > > http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/dec/unibus/EK-DL11W-OP-001_May77.pdf > > http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/dec/unibus/MP00106_DL11-W_Aug77.pdf > > How did I miss that?? I've been all over that specific page > the past week :\ > > > Also, try running the DL11-W diagnostic from the XXDPv2.5 > disk. It is > > ZDLDI0 (see diag hnbk p 2.34) > > > > It will tell you if your DL11-W interrupts are working or not. > I said many posts ago... it fails with "bit 7 fails to set" > in reference to the test of the LTC (with regards to the > above diagnostic). Of course, without diagnostic source I > have no clue if the LTC test is before or after the full > serial port test, or maybe inbetween it... But that is as far > as it gets and the message I get. > > Jay West > > > This message and attachment(s) are intended solely for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged, confidential or otherwise exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient or agent thereof responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by telephone and with a "reply" message. Thank you for your cooperation.

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Psion CM

by cclist＠sydex.com

Now that posting auction links IS okay, there's Psion CM on Yahoo!: http://auctions.yahoo.com/auction/90529200

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IBM PC BIOS error codes (was: who built the first 8086/88 based puter?)

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 3/28/2006 6:01:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, legalize at xmission.com writes: In article <200603281420360141.0B34ED91 at 10.0.0.252>, "Chuck Guzis" <cclist at sydex.com> writes: > Right memory, wrong model. I dropped a bit. It was the 8570 (Model 70) > and it was ECA 021. Nasty memory problem resulting in a 110 error. IBM > would replace the mobo only if you complained loudly enough. Speaking of inscrutable error codes from IBM BIOS, in the big equipment purge of 2006 at work I obtained a number of IBM PC model 350 and 365s. In my various disassembling and re-assembling of pieces amongst these systems to make a smaller number of maximally configured systems I occasionally get an inscrutable error code form the BIOS. Does anyone know if there are manuals for these models online? I tried searching IBM's web site, but immediately got lost in the large amount of irrelevant results. -- What errors? I am familiar with those models. Fairly standard PC, nothing unusual about them. You're looking for the HHM for these computers, but their website has changed a lot since I worked there. DId you try _www.pc.ibm.com/support_ (http://www.pc.ibm.com/support) ? You might also want to look around at service.boulder.ibm.com too.

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xxdp RL02?

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

Does anyone have a .dsk image of an RL02 with a later version of XXDP v2? Hopefully that matches more closely the diagnostic manual on bitsavers? Thanks in advance! Jay West

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lot of 12 HP 12940A disc packs for 7905/7906, NIB

by legalize＠xmission.com

<http://www.dovebid.com/assets/display.asp?ItemID=tbd178317> opening bid of $25, no current bidders, closes in 2h18m -- "The Direct3D Graphics Pipeline"-- code samples, sample chapter, FAQ: <http://www.xmission.com/~legalize/book/> Pilgrimage: Utah's annual demoparty <http://pilgrimage.scene.org>

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another mysterious chip

by RMeenaks＠olf.com

That is the INMOS G170 graphics chip. Used in the IBM graphics cards. I got the datasheet somewhere in my house :-) I remember AD also made a pin-compatible version of it too... Cheers, Ram > -----Original Message----- > From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org > [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Chris M > Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 11:28 PM > To: tech > Subject: another mysterious chip > > > First line: circle possibly with M in it, INMOS B. > Second line: IMSG170S35 (pretty sure). Third line: > 8611 - obviously date of manufacture. Chip has a gold > cover, and is present on a dual 8-bit graphics card > made by Vermont Microsystems, 80188 on board (similar > to an IBM PGA card). Works in a P166MMX DTK mobo...but > not in my IBM PC/AT. And yer know what else...it > emulates CGA (pretty well seemingly, but only tested > it with QBasic thus far). O for the drivers to access > its wild advanced modes *snifful*. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com >

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who built the first 8086/88 based puter?

by Richard.Cini＠wachovia.com

I don't know where in the overall timeline this is but wasn't the Tandy 2000 based on the 80186? It was introduced in 11/83 and ran an OEM version of DOS 2.11. -----Original Message----- From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Guzis Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 6:33 AM To: cctalk at classiccmp.org Subject: Re: who built the first 8086/88 based puter? On 3/22/2006 at 6:58 PM Chris M wrote: >in all likelihood Intel is far too simplistic an >answer (although I do recall seeing pictures of >multibus type boxes with an Intel monniker, so things >like that could possibly qualify). I suppose even a >sbc could qualify, or even some sort of add-on for an >established system. But sdks from Intel (or others) >dont. Seattle Gazelle? What about 80186 firsts? 80286? >I know the popular conception is that Compaq built the >first 386 desktop, but I seem to recall ALR being >numero uno (pretty sure it was ALR). I think the distinction for 8086 may be Altos or one of the other S-100 makers, although Intel may have had a card for the MDS even before that. Bill Godbout had his 85-88 card considerably before the PC. As for the 80186/80286, we were debugging pre-release engineering samples of both chips at Durango (I still remember the bug where DMA activity would clobber the DI register). For sure, the 80186 Poppy rolled out very early. I don't think any 80286 versions were delivered until the Xenix port got finished. But there was a socket on the board for one before that--just nothing to run on it. By the time of the 386, Mobo profiles had pretty much standardized for PCs, so I suspect someone like Mylex may have had the first motherboard, but I don't know if that counts as a "computer". The PS/2 386 boxes were also out fairly early--didn't the Model 50 have a bug that required replacement of the mobo? Cheers, Chuck

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Printronix manuels

by useddec＠aol.com

Any interest in PI-3287, P6000, or IGP-100/200/400 manuals? Thanks, Paul

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AViiON on Intel

by dgy＠DakotaCom.Net

Hi, I'm trying to get DG/UX installed on an AV3700. But, having a helluva time trying to sort out the proper incantation for the boot device. I managed to get things running on an AV3000 some years ago but the 3700 is a different beast. Has anyone here wrestled with these beasts (they have *got* to be the most annoying things to get running! :< ) Thanks for any pointers... --don

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Wanted: Ohio Scientific...

by wh.sudbrink＠verizon.net

For those who don't already know, I focus my vintage collection on Ohio Scientific. I would really like to fill out my collection with a C1P-MF Series II, pictured here (sorry if the URL wraps): http://www.technology.niagarac.on.ca/people/mcsele/images/OSIAd-1981PopularE lec.jpg Also, I need the tan/brown metal floppy chassis for an original C1P-MF. Yes, I know that many were sold with the metal/wood floppy unit that usually went with the C4P but I'd like an example of the other model. Finally, I'd like a better example of a C4P metal/wood CPU chassis. I have a 4P with the electronics in good shape but the case is pretty rough. None of the above need to be working, just in good physical shape. In pursuit of the above, I am considering trades of other parts of my collection that are rather rare. Also, I have a small reserve of convenient, wallet sized presidential portraits (but don't get any ideas of ebay level riches). Thanks, Bill Sudbrink

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Escon Microcomputer/Selectric Interface System

by marvin＠rain.org

Yes, the box is basically a 6502 microprocessor and support chips, and has no mechanical connections to the Selectric. Al, do you want scans of the manuals for Bitsavers? > From: Richard <legalize at xmission.com> > > In article <4428D6CA.EFA31B9E at rain.org>, > Marvin Johnston <marvin at rain.org> writes: > > > Since I've had a number of requests for the picture, it is online at: > > > > http://www.rain.org/~marvin/escon.jpg > > Based on the picture, it looks like it connects electrically to the > Selectric and not mechanically. I'm assuming the entire enclosure > looks like a box and doesn't have "typing finger" solenoids on the > bottom? > --

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11/45 RTC

by fireflyst＠earthlink.net

> -----Original Message----- > From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org > [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Jay West > Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 9:33 AM > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > Subject: Re: 11/45 RTC > > Julian wrote... > > Have you tried this with M7800 and M787 instead of M7228? > I'd say if > > not, try that, if yes, and if that works, then look over the DL11-W > > manual for some sort of compatibility issue with the 11/45. > This is > > just speculation, but it's possible that you may have to use a M787 > > and disable the RTC on the DL11-W or something strange like that. > > I don't have a M787 card. This system arrived with two > M7800's and a M7228. > No KW11-L. It came with the M7228 (KW11-P). From what I can > tell, the M7228 can provide several different time clocks, > one of which is LTC based as an option if you run an > additional wire, but not at the normal address for the LTC. > > I want to see first if the power supply is generating a LTC L > signal, and then see where it goes. Right now I'm trying to > just find the signal. It would obviously go to slot 1C > somewhere for the M787. But I can't seem to figure out if it > was by default also provided to a pin in the 3 unibus slots > built in to the system unit in order for the DL11-W to take > advantage of. How about this: Dig in the KW11-P manual if its available and see if there is any info on replacing a KW11-L with it. Maybe that will tell you where that LTC L signal is.

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11/45 RTC

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

Given that the system seems to pass a lot of diags, but fails the LTC test, I'm focusing there. From looking in the programming manual for the DL11-W, it appears that bit 7 never being set means that there is no LTC L signal coming in to the DL11-W. It would appear that software clears this bit and then waits for it to set (by the square wave from the AC at 50 or 60 hz or so). According to the diag, bit 7 never sets, so I'm thinking I'm not getting any LTC signal from the power supply. I need to find that square wave signal and see if it's working and directed to the right place. My problem is finding that signal. My 11/45 is a KB11-A, serial number < 2000. The maintenance manual shows the LTC coming from the power supply to the power distribution board (top connector towards the cabinet door) shows six wires, the bottom one (brown) going to slot 1 row C where the M787 option plugs in. My top connector does not have that many wires, only 3 or so. My system never had (I don't believe) a M787 card. The system came with two DL11-A (M7800), and a M7228 (KW11-P). But I don't think there was ever a LTC in slot 1. So is it possible that LTC isn't even routed out of the power supply? I'm wanting to use a single DL11-W with the onboard LTC. But doesn't that need to get the LTC signal from the backplane? If it wasn't ever routed to the system unit.... So I'm not sure where to look. I'll pour over the manuals some more. Jay West

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Curiosity about power supplies (BA11)

by fireflyst＠earthlink.net

> > Julian Wolfe wrote: > >> A standard BA11-K box has 2xH744 (or later 2xH7441), 1xH745, > >> 1x54-11086, and usually a spot for 1xH754 (for core > memory, not req'd > >> if no core). > > > > Oh CRAP. I built this machine from parts (albeit all > marked 11/34), > > and did NOT know that I needed an H754 for core. Would > this couse the > > deposit errors I'm experiencing? > > > > > > > > Probably; your core memory is unpowered (H754 supplies +20V & > -5V to core memory modules). > > AFAIK the ONLY use for the +20V/-5V H754 brick is for core memory. > > The MOS memory boards for the 11/34 box (MS11-L) use the > +15V/-15V from the backplane and have onboard regulators to > generate +12V/-5V for the DRAM devices. > Actually, what I meant was EXAM errors. I can DEP but not EXAM. However, this is sort of amusing, because what I'm basically doing is entering an address, and depositing a value into /dev/null. This could very well mean there's nothing wrong with any of my equipment, and once my MOS memory arrives, the problem might clear itself up. Thanks again, Don.

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Curiosity about power supplies (BA11)

by fireflyst＠earthlink.net

> A standard BA11-K box has 2xH744 (or later 2xH7441), 1xH745, > 1x54-11086, and usually a spot for 1xH754 (for core memory, > not req'd if no core). Oh CRAP. I built this machine from parts (albeit all marked 11/34), and did NOT know that I needed an H754 for core. Would this couse the deposit errors I'm experiencing?

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Escon Microcomputer/Selectric Interface System

by marvin＠rain.org

Yes, the box is basically a 6502 microprocessor and support chips, and has no mechanical connections to the Selectric. Al, do you want scans of the manuals for Bitsavers? > From: Richard <legalize at xmission.com> > > In article <4428D6CA.EFA31B9E at rain.org>, > Marvin Johnston <marvin at rain.org> writes: > > > Since I've had a number of requests for the picture, it is online at: > > > > http://www.rain.org/~marvin/escon.jpg > > Based on the picture, it looks like it connects electrically to the > Selectric and not mechanically. I'm assuming the entire enclosure > looks like a box and doesn't have "typing finger" solenoids on the > bottom? > --

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11/45 RTC

by fireflyst＠earthlink.net

> -----Original Message----- > From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org > [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Jay West > Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 11:17 AM > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > Subject: Re: 11/45 RTC > > Julian wrote... > > How about this: Dig in the KW11-P manual if its available > and see if > > there is any info on replacing a KW11-L with it. Maybe > that will tell > > you where that LTC L signal is. > > Yes, but I'm missing something somewhere. I see the spot > where the power supply LTC L signal hits the cpu backplane. > It comes from the brown wire, #7 on P2 at the top front. > There's a trace that goes down from this to slot 1, row C, > pin R1. That's just peachy, and gives me a spot to test in > order to make sure the power supply is providing a clock signal. > > But of course I want to make sure that signal is also present > on the three unibus slots built into the cpu backplane, so > that my DL11-W can use it. So I was looking for THAT pin. > From eyeballing it and testing, it appears that slot 1 row C > pin R1 (the LTC "source") hits all the unibus slots on the > cpu backplane at row C pin D1. Ok, I'm fine there. > > But here's where the KW11-P manual gets confusing. I'm only > bringing this up as a sanity check - It says that in order > for the KW11-P to get the LTC (if you even want to use that > option, not required), you have to install a jumper wire to > the slot that the KW11-P is in to provide that signal. It > says the KW11-P expects to get it on CE1, and specifically > says to run a wire from CE1 to slot 1 row C pin R1 (on the > 11/45). But why would they say that if the LTC signal is > available on pin CD1 right there in the same slot already > next to CE1?? Or better yet, why didn't they design the > KW11-P to get LTC from CD1 instead of CE1? This is the part > that makes me think I'm messing up somewhere. Do you maybe have a different/special backplane alltogether? Is the backplane designator sticker still on it? > > I guess I could find prints for the DL11-W and see if in fact > it's looking to CD1 for LTC. That sounds like a good idea too. > > Jay West >

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Escon Microcomputer/Selectric Interface System

by marvin＠rain.org

Since I've had a number of requests for the picture, it is online at: http://www.rain.org/~marvin/escon.jpg Included, but not shown, are two manuals. The first has the installation and instruction manuals including schematics, while the second contains the illustrations and diagrams for use with the Vol I instruction manual. There are also a number of what look to be Selectric parts. >From the information in the installtion manual: "The ESCON equipment covered by these instructions fits all IBM office type Selectrics. The length of the platen or if it is single or dual pitch, has no affect on installation of this system. If your machine has a manual velocity control, contact the factory for special instructions." Another interesting quote from the instruction manual: "the magnets used in the ESCON conversion kits have 55-ohm coils, except for the shift magnet which has a 130-ohm coil." There were no magnets in this package. I suspect if there was a Selectric already prepared with the magnets, it got dumpstered before I got a chance to check this stuff out. > >I've got an Escon Microcomputer/Selectric Interface System that looks > >like it was sold as a kit. It appears to be a unit to convert a > >Selectric I or II typewriter so it can be used as a computer printer. Is > >anyone familiar with this unit, and any ideas about what it is worth? It > >belongs to the widow of my friend who died last month, and I am trying > >to help separate the good stuff from everything else. > > Marv, does this thing work with a Selectric typewriter or a Selectric I/O > writer? There's a big difference--the typewriter has none of the > electrical components (solenoids, etc.) that the I/O writer uses to > activate the mechanism. The golf-ball print mechanism is the same in both. > > Since Selectrics are still pretty easy to come by as typewriters, I suspect > that this may have more interest if it were intended for typewriters (i.e. > it included the actuators). On the other hand, the I/O writers, while once > more commonplace, are fairly rare today and the unit would have > substantially less appeal. > > Cheers, > Chuck

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atc-510 simulator

by zl3zzz＠xtra.co.nz

Hello michael, I am in NZ. and looking at buying an old ATC 510 which is for sale. I am a retired airline pilot and am helping a young guy next door to get his licences. Is the 510 useful for basic instrument training, or would I be better off using a microsoft sim? What accessories have you got and where are you? Many thanks Dave McDonald

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xxdp RL02?

by pete＠dunnington.plus.com

On Mar 27 2006, 19:00, Jay West wrote: > I'm just shocked diags seem to receive such short shrift at DEC. I guess it > makes me feel quite fortunate that for HP 2100 & 21MX we have a complete set > of full source listings that exactly match diag documentation that exactly > match the code version on the media. I've refered to that code many times. > Hopefully someday a late full library of DEC diags will be unearthed with > matching source & docs. Actually DEC took a lot of care over diagnostics. All systems were sold with comprehensive relevant diagnostic media, normally accompanied by the listings. In the early days the listings were on paper, but later on microfiche. Furthermore, DEC maintained those diagnostics carefully, and there were regular revisions and patches when necessary which were sent out to customers who had maintainance contracts. I don't know about the paper listings, but microfiche was certainly sent out (inserting the updates used to be one of my jobs). In fact, there's the problem -- when you do find listings, which have often been separated from the machine and media they originally were meant to be with, they may be for a different revision or patch level. The code will be close, and the listings may be useful, but may not be quite the same. Paper listings in particular will usually be for older versions of the diagnostics, and many diags came along late enough that the listings were only on microfiche. A full set of PDP-11 microfiche diagnostics listings, such as might have been held by a Field Service office, reseller, or a third party maintainer, is one whole microfiche box, some 14" deep. There would normally be another box beside that with the hardware documentation: manuals, engineering drawings, parts lists, illustrated parts breakdown, field and engineering change orders, etc. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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xxdp RL02?

by aek＠bitsavers.org

I don't know that DEC ever distributed soft copies of diagnostic listings on disk or tape (now finding that would be the holy grail at this point). - I've never seen them either. If there is ever a HP vault trip, that would be something to look for. Paper copies of the diags stopped when the maint fiche doc sets came out This is probably what the diag handbook was based on. If there are specific diags needed, I'll scan them from fiche. It is a fairly long process to get clean copies, since the scanner is a fiddle-fest to set up at high magnifications.

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11/45 RTC

by henk.gooijen＠oce.com

For what's it worth ... I do not have an 11/45 :-(, but I was triggered when I read M787. Long ago, I added "LTC" to my 11/35, which involved installing an M787 in slot 3, position F. The 11/35 manual said that you must cut one wire on the backplane ... perhaps that applies here too ...? - Henk. > -----Original Message----- > From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org > [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Jay West > Sent: dinsdag 28 maart 2006 7:32 > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > Subject: 11/45 RTC > > Given that the system seems to pass a lot of diags, but fails > the LTC test, I'm focusing there. From looking in the > programming manual for the DL11-W, it appears that bit 7 > never being set means that there is no LTC L signal coming in > to the DL11-W. It would appear that software clears this bit > and then waits for it to set (by the square wave from the AC > at 50 or 60 hz or so). According to the diag, bit 7 never > sets, so I'm thinking I'm not getting any LTC signal from the > power supply. I need to find that square wave signal and see > if it's working and directed to the right place. > > My problem is finding that signal. My 11/45 is a KB11-A, > serial number < 2000. The maintenance manual shows the LTC > coming from the power supply to the power distribution board > (top connector towards the cabinet door) shows six wires, the > bottom one (brown) going to slot 1 row C where the M787 > option plugs in. My top connector does not have that many > wires, only 3 or so. My system never had (I don't believe) a > M787 card. The system came with two DL11-A (M7800), and a > M7228 (KW11-P). But I don't think there was ever a LTC in > slot 1. So is it possible that LTC isn't even routed out of > the power supply? I'm wanting to use a single DL11-W with the > onboard LTC. But doesn't that need to get the LTC signal from > the backplane? If it wasn't ever routed to the system unit.... > > So I'm not sure where to look. I'll pour over the manuals some more. > > Jay West > > > This message and attachment(s) are intended solely for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged, confidential or otherwise exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient or agent thereof responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by telephone and with a "reply" message. Thank you for your cooperation.

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booting rt11 v5.1 on an 11/45

by fireflyst＠earthlink.net

As I stated in the chat last night, I don't know a whole lot about 11/45s (or rather, any PDP11s before the /04 in general) but I would recommend downloading xxdp v2.5 and seeing if that even boots. This is an easy way to figure out if (a) it's just RT-11 5.1, and (b) if there are additional diags on the xxdp 2.5 cartridge that might help nail down the problem. Downloadable here: http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/academic/computer-science/history/pdp-11/xxdp/ I hope that helps. Julian > -----Original Message----- > From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org > [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Jay West > Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 7:22 PM > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > Subject: booting rt11 v5.1 on an 11/45 > > The 11/45 will boot xxdp+ v1, but won't boot RT11 v5.1. > > Upon booting the RT11 v5.1 RL02 pack, the disk flashes for > about 5-8 seconds, then the processor just halts. > > First question which I didn't see in the RT11 5x docs... what > exactly would the hardware requirements be for RT11 5.1 on a > 11/45? Is it expecting a minimum of memory? Certain I/O > devices at certain locations? I tried both a real DEC RT11 > v5.1 RL02 dist. pack, and also was able to gen one from a 5.1 > image on a scratch pack with vtserver. > > The only thing I can think of (and another listmember point > to as well) is a problem with interrupts. But I've no idea > how exactly to go about troubleshooting it, not being a DEC > expert like others here :) I've gone back and forth between > using 8K core, 16K core, or 128k unibus memory. > Similar results. My copy of xxdp+ seems a bit old, so most > diags I have seem to have older names. > > Any thoughts are most appreciated! > > Jay West > >

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xxdp CKTGE0

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

Anyone have any docs on xxdp diagnostic CKTGE0? Or to teach a man to fish.... where should I be looking for this? :) Jay West

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Zenith power supplies

by rtellason＠blazenet.net

I have a couple of Zenith power supplies, fit their models 151, I think, maybe more. Anybody interested in taking these off my hands? -- Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and ablest -- form of life in this section of space, a critter that can be killed but can't be tamed. --Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet Masters" - Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James M Dakin

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Escon Microcomputer/Selectric Interface System

by marvin＠rain.org

I've got an Escon Microcomputer/Selectric Interface System that looks like it was sold as a kit. It appears to be a unit to convert a Selectric I or II typewriter so it can be used as a computer printer. Is anyone familiar with this unit, and any ideas about what it is worth? It belongs to the widow of my friend who died last month, and I am trying to help separate the good stuff from everything else.

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Curiosity about power supplies (BA11)

by ISC277＠CLCILLINOIS.EDU

Okay, so I was thinking, would it be possible to replace the regulators and whatnot in a BA11 with several standard PC power supplies? Obviously there would be adjustments that need to be made, but considering the DEC units are now 20+ years old and the out-of-service modules may have dried up caps, would this not be a possible option? I'm just curious, I'm no electrician, nor have I looked over the leads yet. Secondly, if I have less than half the BA11 box full of cards, do I need both of the fans plugged in? Julian

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Curiosity about power supplies (BA11)

by fireflyst＠earthlink.net

> -----Original Message----- > From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org > [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Don North > Sent: Monday, March 27, 2006 3:04 PM > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > Subject: Re: Curiosity about power supplies (BA11) > > Wolfe, Julian wrote: > > Okay, so I was thinking, would it be possible to replace the > > regulators and whatnot in a BA11 with several standard PC power > > supplies? Obviously there would be adjustments that need > to be made, > > but considering the DEC units are now 20+ years old and the > > out-of-service modules may have dried up caps, would this > not be a possible option? > Certainly possible, with either OTS PC style or switcher PS modules. > > For the 'classic' DEC brick-style regulator modules as in the > BA11-K box: > > H744 ....... +5V @ 25A > H7441 ...... +5V @ 32A (upgrade to the H744) > H745 ...... -15V @ 10A > H754 ...... +20V @ 8A & -5V @ 1-8A > 54-11086 .. +15V @ 4A > > A standard BA11-K box has 2xH744 (or later 2xH7441), 1xH745, > 1x54-11086, and usually a spot for 1xH754 (for core memory, > not req'd if no core). > > Each of the backplanes (DD11-D/C) has one or two AMP MateNLok > connectors that handle the power distribution to the various > slots, typically a pair of 14ga wires for +5V, and one wire > each for the other voltages. Each 9slot SU is nominally > 10-15A max at +5V, easily handled by a small switcher. > > The main problem I see with OTS PC supplies is they are +12V > and not +15V. > Older DEC cards expect +15V input and do on-board regulation > to +12V. Only some of the later MOS memory cards (like > MS11-PB 1MB for the 11/44) expect > +12V on the backplane (which is supplied directly from the > BA11-A supply). > > I have built a benchtop debug station that uses a DD11-CK 4 > slot SU with an inexpensive +5V at 10A, +15V at 2A, -15V at -2A > modular supply. I suppose it would be fairly straightforward > to rip out the rear end of a BA11-K box an lineup 5 or 6 of > these and completely replace the power subsystem. > > > > I'm just curious, I'm no electrician, nor have I looked > over the leads yet. > > > > Secondly, if I have less than half the BA11 box full of cards, do I > > need both of the fans plugged in? > > > For the BA11-K box remember the fans not only cool the boards > but also the power regulators and internal power supply > transformer. I would not disable one of the fans even if the > box were lightly populated. Power supplies want to be in a > cool environment, heat is your biggest enemy (besides time, I guess). > > Julian I pretty much counted on this being the answer, and again it was more of a curiosity thing. Thanks :) > > > > > > > >

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