- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by henk.gooijen＠oce.com

I checked in RT11 v5.3 :-) ZIO.MAC and ZMEM.MAC have the "hex field" problem. New are ZPRINT.MAC and ZSCREE.MAC, they also have that problem. ZPRINT has 4 errors, and ZSCREE has 11 errors, easy ones. ZRT.MAC still has the Library SYSTEM.MLB directive problem ... After the hex to octal adjustments, only ZRT.MAC has a problem. - Henk. > -----Original Message----- > From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org > [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Johnny Billquist > Sent: woensdag 26 april 2006 11:19 > To: cctalk at classiccmp.org > Subject: ZEMU > > Ok. I've uploaded the latest version of ZEMU to Update. > If anyone is playing with it, please update to this version (V1.10). > And then feel free to ask me any questions. We'll get this working on > RT-11 in no time. > > Johnny > > -- > Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus > || on a psychedelic trip > email: bqt at update.uu.se || Reading murder books > pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol > > This message and attachment(s) are intended solely for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged, confidential or otherwise exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient or agent thereof responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by telephone and with a "reply" message. Thank you for your cooperation.

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ZEMU

by bqt＠update.uu.se

Ok. I've uploaded the latest version of ZEMU to Update. If anyone is playing with it, please update to this version (V1.10). And then feel free to ask me any questions. We'll get this working on RT-11 in no time. Johnny -- Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: bqt at update.uu.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol

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DUNGEON

by bqt＠update.uu.se

David Griffith <dgriffi at cs.csubak.edu> wrote: >> If ZORK were ever to run on any other machine that machine first and >> foremost would have to have MDL. You know if SDS had that? >> Second, ZORK used a lot of memory. Unless the OS supported virtual >> memory, and a fairly large address space, that would also stop it. >> Appearantly ZORK on the PDP-10 needed over 600K to run (if that is bytes >> or 36-bit words I don't know, but I suspect bytes). > > > FWIW, there exists in the Z-machine spec a setting which indicates on what > machine the interpreter is running. Depending on that setting, the game > may behave differently. There was a setting for the PDP-10 (called DECsystem 10). Yep. Guess what ZEMU identifies itself as? :-) The only game that I know of that cares are BEYOND ZORK, and it works nice if you have a VT220 or newer, download the soft font I designed, and then just play on... If someone have a VT525, they could even test color... Johnny -- Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: bqt at update.uu.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol

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DUNGEON

by bqt＠update.uu.se

David Griffith <dgriffi at cs.csubak.edu> wrote: > On Mon, 24 Apr 2006, Johnny Billquist wrote: > >>> People have been bouncing ZORK, DUNGEON and Infocom around a while now. > > > IIRC, Zork was released in three parts parts because home computers at the > time could not handle a game the size of MDL Zork. True in a way. The game was split up because it was too large. It was also reimplemented because MDL didn't exist for home computers, and that language in it self required too much resources and in general required too much of the computer. A big breakthrough was when they decided, and managed to pull off the Z-machine. You can all read about this at the http://www.csd.uwo.ca/Infocom/ website. Lots of articles and interviews with the original implementors. >> And ZEMU *should* work on RT-11. I have a suspicion that maybe one or >> two routines might be missing. If they are, it will takes us close to >> zero time to fix it, if just someone with RT-11 steps up to the plate. >> I don't have any RT-11 systems, nor much RT-11 knowledge myself. I can >> write some code, but I definitely can't test it. > > > If you can compile straight ANSI C on RT-11, you can use Dumb Frotz there. > The result won't have screen handling, but it'll run most any Z-machine > program out there. Implementing screen-handling for an RT-11 version of > Frotz shouldn't be very hard. In your dreams. :-) First of all, I suspect that dumb Frotz still would get into major problems with the small address space of a PDP-11. Second, Frotz makes some assumptions about file handling that just isn't true on all non-Unix systems. And screen handling is a story of it's own. But people are welcome to try. Heck, I can even offer an RSX machine if someone wants to take a shot at it there, with an ANSI C compiler... It would be interesting to watch, at least. People often just don't understand how much Unix-specific stuff is going on in the code. Johnny -- Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: bqt at update.uu.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol

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Zemu

by henk.gooijen＠oce.com

I corrected ZIO and ZMEM, and they compile without errors, as expected. Then I removed the "LIBRARY SYSTEM.MLB" line in ZRT.MAC ... I get 65 errors, starting with MCALL undefines. Is it possible that Megan can change this to support the RT11 version that comes with SIMH (v5.3) ? (The changes required in ZIO and ZMEM are simple). - Henk. > -----Original Message----- > From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org > [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Johnny Billquist > Sent: dinsdag 25 april 2006 19:31 > To: cctalk at classiccmp.org > Subject: RE: Zemu > > "Gooijen, Henk" <henk.gooijen at oce.com> wrote: > > > OK, thanks Johnny. > > I have a day off, but that's for working in the garden. > > This evening (when my back is hurting) I will change the > > hex values to octal. > > That should fix the first problem, and that should be easy... > > > If somebody could make the SYSTEM.MLB avalilable in a .zip > file, would that > be sufficient to solve the second issue ? > > Might. I don't know what macros are used, and what they do. > Remember, I don't really know RT-11. > But, like I said, it might be that just commenting that line > out, and see what macros fail will give you enough clues to > what is missing that you can either safely remove that, or > write those macros on your own. > > Johnny > > -- > Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus > || on a psychedelic trip > email: bqt at update.uu.se || Reading murder books > pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol > > This message and attachment(s) are intended solely for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged, confidential or otherwise exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient or agent thereof responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by telephone and with a "reply" message. Thank you for your cooperation.

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DEC Gigi terminal

by legalize＠xmission.com

Where can I find information about it? There seems to be a dearth of info online, despite DEC being really popular among collectors. -- "The Direct3D Graphics Pipeline"-- code samples, sample chapter, FAQ: <http://www.xmission.com/~legalize/book/> Pilgrimage: Utah's annual demoparty <http://pilgrimage.scene.org>

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FA (Sheepishly promoting) Mark-8

by grooveomatic＠gmail.com

Hello all! It's been a long time since I've stopped by to post... I monitor CCTalk every now and then, but haven't posted in a long time. I just thought I might send a quick message to say that my poor Mark-8 is headed to the great ebay in the sky. I am too poor to keep him any longer and I know somebody will end up enjoying it more than I'm able to at the moment. 8799174918 on ebay if anyone might be interested. I apologize hugely in advance if this is verboten; I didn't know who to ask if it was OK! The old FAQ seemed to mention that it was OK, but the old FAQ also said that it was not to be looked at. :) Bryan Blackburn has helped me out a lot over the past few days - thank you! :) Best regards, Andy

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$BOUNTY$ VM/SP rel 5 manual

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

Looking for the "IBM VM/SP rel 5 Planning and System Generation Guide". The VM/370 rel 6 equivalent is online at bitsavers, but I need the VM/SP rel 5 version. Thanks! Jay West

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teledisk files

by chd_1＠nktelco.net

How do I convert a teledisk image to something useful to me without having the hardware? I have some images of decus DM-101 that are in teledisk format. I want to get the contents onto my PDP-8/e. I understand that teledisk saves a lot of meta-data about the disk image... but I don't think I need that. All I want is the data. decus DM-101 on paper tape would be fine with me... an EPIC tape would be much better... and a simh disk image would be the greatest... -chuck

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DUNGEON

by elf＠ucsd.edu

Johhny Billquist wrote: > First there was ZORK. That's it, just ZORK. No numbers, > no nothing. This program was written in MDL and ran on > PDP-10 systems only. MDL is a Lisp-like language implemented > at MIT. You're probably out of luck if you ever want to > play the original ZORK on anything but a PDP-10. <Nitpick> Actually, I saw (and used) the original ZORK running on an SDS (later XDS) Sigma 7 computer (the actual ARPAnet machine name was MIT-DMS). And, if I'm not mistaken, I believe it was originally developed on this machine (though I could be off on this fact). I actually visited the famed 9th floor of 545 Tech. Square at MIT way back in the early 80s and saw the beast. (Still have my MDL programming manual around too...) </Nitpick> --Eric F. (proud owner of an SDS-940 console, Sigma 9 console (wired up to show off all 100+ Blinkenlights!), and lots of other assorted SDS/XDS swag.)

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Cyberentics ASP??

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

I went scrounging this weekend and one of the things that I found was a Cyberentics ASP. It's a chrome and black rack mount chassis with dual 2GHz AMD Athlon MP processors, 256 Mb of DDR memory, a DriveOnModule that plugs into the IDE port and emulates a 32Mb disk drive (has linux installed), TWO Symbios LVD/SE SCSI cards and two large IBM Ultrim LTO tape drives. No other drives installed (or even a place to mount them) except the two tape drives and the Drive On Module. NO video card installed but it has two LCD displays on the front panel. What have I got here? Joe

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anyone have a terminal server? - Xyplex, Xylogics, and DEC history

by dave＠mitton.com

> ----- Original Message ----- > From: cctech-request at classiccmp.org > To: cctech at classiccmp.org > Subject: cctech Digest, Vol 32, Issue 48 > Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 06:17:52 -0500 (CDT) ... > Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 23:42:16 -0400 > From: Patrick Finnegan <pat at computer-refuge.org> > Subject: Re: anyone have a terminal server? > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" > <cctalk at classiccmp.org> > Message-ID: <200604242342.16528.pat at computer-refuge.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-6" > > On Sunday 23 April 2006 14:47, Richard wrote: > > I see that DEC has had a line of terminal servers. They look like > > they would do the job (my needs are more along the lines of > > connectivity rather than fancy features like 3270 support). > > > > Reading around on the net indicates that Xylogics had a good line of > > terminal servers, but that the similarly named Xyplex had buggy > > product. > > I've never heard anything all that good from people that have used > Xylogics Annex boxes. > > At work, we use a whole bunch of Xyplex Maxserver 1640s for console > servers, and they Just Work.. They're a direct descendant of DECservers > (from what I understand, DEC sold off the line to Xyplex). > > Pat > -- Pat, your understanding is incorrect. Xyplex was founded by 3 ex-DECies as a terminal server company before Digital had established the LAN DECserver and LAT. One of the founders was the author of the CTERM protocol and witnessed the debacle of the Mercury terminal server. (but I digress) Their initial designs used proprietary LAN media and protocols. Their later products used more commodized technology of the times. I don't know the 'rep of their product. But the company was very successful for awhile but was later acquired by Raetheon and then traded around the aerospace/computer industry before disappearing. Xylogics had been in business for many years doing various computer related things, including peripherals and disk drives, before acquiring the rights to the "Annex" product line from a third party. The products were based on a proprietary Unix kernel and spoke telnet, PPP, and LAT and other things. I was instrumental in getting them to implement RADIUS. In 1996 they were accquired by Bay Networks where they continued to produce terminal server products (5399 blade system) until the merger with Nortel. I'm not sure what happened to the IPR of the Annex, I believe it was sold to another company. The former DEC terminal server line was spun off to Cabletron, and the remains live in Enterasys. I attempted to assertain whom owns the rights to LAT last year (as a reference in RFC 4005 Diameter NAS Application) and got a murky answer. The last vendor selling code (Meridian) went out-of-business a few years back. Dave Mitton.

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need help identifying...

by chrism3667＠yahoo.com

...beige (off white) TRS-80 model 4, 3 floppy drives, amber monitor, silver plate under reset button that says Stevens 128k. Some passer by suggested it had something to do with a technical college in Hoboken, NJ, another meanderer said they only used DECs and such. All 3 floppies were scanned for a boot floppy apparently (blink...blink...blink). Pristine condition. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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Prime 2550 in the UK

by aek＠bitsavers.org

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8800968650 Hopefully someone nearby can save this. As someone has pointed out, this machine really needs to be saved. It is a pretty large system, and may have the sources for Salford University's FTN77 compiler on the backup tapes.

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DUNGEON

by bqt＠update.uu.se

"Eric F." <elf at ucsd.edu> wrote: > Eric F. wrote: > > > Actually, I saw (and used) the original ZORK running on an SDS > > (later XDS) Sigma 7 computer (the actual ARPAnet machine name > > was MIT-DMS). > > Apparently I fired off my original reply prematurely. The original MIT > machine running ZORK (MIT-DMS) was, in fact, a PDP-10. But I'm quite sure > that one of the other machines back there (i.e., MIT-AI, MIT-MC, or MIT-ML) > was an SDS Sigma machine (or even an SDS-940). > > Sorry for my mis-informed post. :0 I had an account on MIT-AI, and that was definitely a PDP-10. I'm very sure that MIT-MC also was a PDP-10. MIT-ML however I don't know about. As for ZORK, it was definitely written on a PDP-10. Infocom rented time on a PDP-10 for quite a while. I know I've also seen mentioned somewhere at one time that they even had their own -2020 for a while, but I'm not sure I remember correctly. If ZORK were ever to run on any other machine that machine first and foremost would have to have MDL. You know if SDS had that? Second, ZORK used a lot of memory. Unless the OS supported virtual memory, and a fairly large address space, that would also stop it. Appearantly ZORK on the PDP-10 needed over 600K to run (if that is bytes or 36-bit words I don't know, but I suspect bytes). Johnny -- Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: bqt at update.uu.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol

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Qwint Systems?

by martyjr1910＠sbcglobal.net

Steve, Happened to type in Qwint Systems and ran into your web site. I ran into stuff I had saved from when they had moved from Northbrook to Lincolnshire that I think I garbage picked. I also have a brand new teleprinter in its original plastic shipping brief case. with the manual and several sets of software that are for that unit. I also think i have a few of the old time modems, and some of the prom burners to (black boxes with the key pads) if you rememeber those. Oh well any interest hit me back Marty

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DUNGEON

by bqt＠update.uu.se

People have been bouncing ZORK, DUNGEON and Infocom around a while now. Let's clear this up once and for all (I hope). First there was ZORK. That's it, just ZORK. No numbers, no nothing. This program was written in MDL and ran on PDP-10 systems only. MDL is a Lisp-like language implemented at MIT. You're probably out of luck if you ever want to play the original ZORK on anything but a PDP-10. A person at DEC managed to get the hands on the sources of ZORK. This person then did an implementation in FORTRAN, based on the MDL sources. This is the "paranoid DEC engineer who prefers to remain anonymous". The copyright on these FORTRAN sources say "(c) 1980, 1990 INFOCOM", by the way. The authors of the MDL ZORK then started a new company whose first product was ZORK. This was a rewrite of the MDL ZORK, in a new language that they developed for this purpose, called ZIL. The ZIL compiler generated code for a virtual machine called the Z-machine. And Infocom also wrote Z-machine implementations for most of the popular computers in the early 80s, including the PDP-11. This ZORK was 75% based on parts of the MDL ZORK, and 25% completely new stuff. Later is was renamed "ZORK I", when the sequel "ZORK II" came out (which was 50% MDL ZORK, and 50% new stuff). So, this leaves os with two ZORK, and one DUNGEON. Are they the same? No. But they all originated in the MDL ZORK. ZORK I was a reimplementation by the same persons who wrote MDL ZORK. New language, new parser, some new stuff, some stuff from MDL ZORK cut out, and probably some improvements as well. DUNGEON was a reimplementation from a version of the MDL ZORK, but written in FORTRAN. This wasn't even from the final version of the MDL ZORK. However, new stuff in the MDL code somehow usually got implemented in the FORTRAN version as well a bit later. Infocom only released ZORK I as a commercial product for the PDP-11. ZORK II and ZORK III never was. And if I remember correctly, they only released a version for RT-11 on one 8" floppy. However, as I said above, when Infocom started making the commercial product, they did it together with a virtual machine. So, as long as you have an implementation of that virtual machine, you can play any of their released titles. So, for the PDP-11 then, we have: The DUNGEON implementation (FORTRAN). ZORK I, from Infocom. ZEMU, which is my implementation of the Z-machine. With ZEMU, you can play almost any Infocom game, and ZORK I, II and III are available on the net. So it's no big deal to get these on a PDP-11 today. DUNGEON was slowly extended, and then moved over to VMS instead, and changed enough that recent versions can't really compile on a PDP-11. I've backported DUNGEON to RSX-11M-PLUS. But you can forget ever getting it working in an OS without support for split I/D-space. But if someone is interested in this, just let me know, and I'll help you out. ZORK I from Infocom was the game file for ZORK I, along with their implementation of the Z-machine for the PDP-11. I've never tried it, nor do I know anyone who have a copy. However, it's pretty pointless except as a curiosity item. I'm pretty sure my implementation is better, so if you just want to play the games today, I'd say you better go with ZEMU. Various C version can nowadays also be found. They are a translation >from the FORTRAN version. ADVENT have also been mentioned now, and just for the sake of completeness I might add that ADVENT is a totally different game, and the inspiration for the people who wrote ZORK. ADVENT is written in FORTRAN, and there are numerous versions out there, with different people having made additions and modifications. And ZEMU *should* work on RT-11. I have a suspicion that maybe one or two routines might be missing. If they are, it will takes us close to zero time to fix it, if just someone with RT-11 steps up to the plate. I don't have any RT-11 systems, nor much RT-11 knowledge myself. I can write some code, but I definitely can't test it. Johnny -- Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: bqt at update.uu.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol

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M4 9914 Manuals

by aek＠bitsavers.org

> The National Archives in Norway has an M4 with a full complement of > documentation. I'm sure Jay West would appreciate schematics for the 9914 if they have them. The normal service manual does not include them.

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Zemu, was VAX ADVENTURE, was Re: RL02 problem

by bqt＠update.uu.se

"Gooijen, Henk" <henk.gooijen at oce.com> wrote: > I tried the latest Zemu (2003) to compile under RT11XM. > I don't know how to capture the command file result output in the CMD box, > except by making a screen shot, converting it to .gif, but I can not send > that to the CC list ... > I get 3 errors from ZIO and 19 errors from ZMEM. > They all seem to have a problem with an operand field construction #^X82,R1 > or #^0E,-(SP). And in ZRT I get a .LIBRARY /SY:SYSTEM.MLB/ file error. > I seem to remember that these were exactly the problems I had back then. > It loks I am still stuck ... Ooo. Okay... Two problems. The first one is easy. You're just using an old enough version of MACRO-11 that it don't understand hex values. ^Xnn just means hexadecimal. Convert to octal and replace, and that problem is solved. You know: #^X0E -> #16 The second problem, the SYSTEM.MLB is harder for me to tell. Try to just comment the line away, and see what (if any) errors you get. This is code Megan wrote, so it's a bit more unfamiliar to me. But all it is, is just macro definitions that (I guess) more recent versions of RT-11 provide for you. If we just locate those macro calls, we can either write the macros directly into the code, or perhaps live without them, instead. This shouldn't be hard to fix really. Johnny -- Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: bqt at update.uu.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol

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DUNGEON

by bqt＠update.uu.se

<a.carlini at ntlworld.com> wrote: >Johnny Billquist wrote: > >> A person at DEC managed to get the hands on the sources of ZORK. This >> person then did an implementation in FORTRAN, based on the MDL >> sources. This is the "paranoid DEC engineer who prefers to remain >> anonymous". > > >"the paranoid engineer" came out later on though - are we >not allowed to speak his name? I wasn't sure that he had come forth. But looking at more recent versions of DUNGEON, he do have his name in there, so I guess it's okay to say that it was Bob Supnik. I still kindof like that early request for anonymity, though. :-) He really was mad to decide to implement this stuff in FORTRAN. Really good work by him to pull it off... Johnny -- Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: bqt at update.uu.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol

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Looking for working DEC M8357 (RX8E)

by bqt＠update.uu.se

Josh Dersch <derschjo at pilot.msu.edu> wrote: > I'm trying to get my PDP-8/e running a "real" OS (as opposed to loading > programs one at a time from papertape). > > I've had an RX02 drive (supposedly working) in my possession for some > time, and I just need to find a working M8357 to seal the deal. I > currently have a non-functional M8357 -- I get an error code from the > dirxac diagnostic that translates to "Unexpected Transfer Request > Flag." I'm not much of a hardware hacker, unfortunately, so I'm in no > position to debug/repair the board. > > If anyone out there has an M8357 they're willing to part with, or has > the ability to repair these things, please let me know. > > Thanks! I could probably fix it for you. My main problem is time. How important is it? (And I'm sure there are lots of others who also could fix it.) Johnny -- Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: bqt at update.uu.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol

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Zemu, was VAX ADVENTURE, was Re: RL02 problem

by bqt＠update.uu.se

"Zane H. Healy" <healyzh at aracnet.com> wrote: >>> I tried the latest Zemu (2003) to compile under RT11XM. >>> I don't know how to capture the command file result output in the CMD box, >>> except by making a screen shot, converting it to .gif, but I can not send >>> that to the CC list ... >>> I get 3 errors from ZIO and 19 errors from ZMEM. >>> They all seem to have a problem with an operand field construction #^X82,R1 >>> or #^0E,-(SP). And in ZRT I get a .LIBRARY /SY:SYSTEM.MLB/ file error. >>> I seem to remember that these were exactly the problems I had back then. >>> It loks I am still stuck ... > > > What version of RT-11 are you trying to build it on? The error in ZRT seems > to indicate you're building it on to old of a version. Definitely a slightly older version of RT-11. That should be dealt with, and ZEMU should be made to compile on that too. > Where can the latest Zemu source be found? ftp://ftp.update.uu.se/pub/pdp11/zemu.tar Hmm, I wonder if I might have made changes lately that aren't in there. I'll check and if neccesary, update this tar file. Johnny -- Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: bqt at update.uu.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol

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DUNGEON

by bqt＠update.uu.se

"Gooijen, Henk" <henk.gooijen at oce.com> wrote: > OK, I am a bit biased about information in wiki. > I prefer to believe that Johnny has it correct, and then wiki. > I will look up the notes of my previous Zemu attempt > and set up RT11 in SIMH. Thanks for the vote of confidence. :-) I checked out the Wiki information, and it's very good in this case. But it says more or less exactly the same as I wrote. But it gives some more details (hence more words...) :-) Johnny ________________________________ Van: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org namens John Foust Verzonden: ma 24-04-2006 21:45 Aan: cctalk at classiccmp.org Onderwerp: Re: DUNGEON At 02:24 PM 4/24/2006, Johnny Billquist wrote: >>People have been bouncing ZORK, DUNGEON and Infocom around a while now. >>Let's clear this up once and for all (I hope). I didn't hunt for inconsistencies, but there's plenty of detail at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zork http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colossal_Cave_Adventure - John -- Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: bqt at update.uu.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol

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VAX ADVENTURE, was Re: RL02 problem

by bqt＠update.uu.se

"Jim Beacon" <jim at g1jbg.co.uk> wrote: > > for anyone that's following this thread, I've tried this version: > > http://vms.tuwien.ac.at/freewarev40/000000/ > > and can't get it to work. > > The straight download has an error in one of the .DAT files, and the zipped > version has incorrect references in the executable :( That's the FORTRAN version. There are a couple of "problems". The DTEXT.DAT file is a fixed record size file. That will not transfer well over http, or most ftp programs. In VMS, you could (if you transferred the file in binary) probably do a SET FILE to change the attributes after transfer. Let me know if you need more info here. As for problems with the zipped version, I have no clues... But all you would need from the ZIP-archive is the DAT-files (which might be restored correctly from there), and then you can use whatever .EXE file you might find. Johnny -- Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: bqt at update.uu.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol

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VAX ADVENTURE, was Re: RL02 problem

by bqt＠update.uu.se

"Gooijen, Henk" <henk.gooijen at oce.com> wrote: > Cool! Thanks Jim. > Ethan's and your response have exact the same hh:mm time stamp! > (at least on my computer). > For my 11/750 I will need a copy of some OpenVMS version first, because I > promised to wipe the disks, otherwise I could only get the system without > the disks. I wanted the cab with the three RA81's too, and the HSC70, > although I am not sure if the HSC70 will ever be useful as the L0009 and > internal cabling is not in the 11/750. > And I have read that you need besides the L0009 more stuff ... need to find > out what the HSC70 requires, and maybe I come to the conclusion that the > HSC70 is only taking up space ... I am not planning to build a cluster > (don't know anything about that stuff either), but ... never say never > :-) The HSC will require a CI750, which is a whole cabinet of it's own. If you don't have that one, you're out of luck. > I posted a request for Zork (PDP-11) on Amazon a year ago, but > never had any response. So, your link to the VMS version is great! Hmm. I saw that ZEMU was mentioned later in this discussion as well, but let me start by asking if you're talking about the Infocom commercial release, or the FORTRAN port called DUNGEON is what you're thinking of? Anyway, ZEMU exists, and works just fine. However, Megan have not done anything in a long while, so I'm not sure if it works as is on RT-11 or not. If someone who have RT-11 is willing to look at it, I'd be grateful. The RSX version is just fine, though. Anyone who wants to try, just log into MIM. -------------- Junk:/home/bqt> telnet mim.update.uu.se Trying 130.238.19.211... Connected to mim.update.uu.se. Escape character is '^]'. This is MIM.Update.UU.SE > hel guest/guest RSX-11M-PLUS V4.6 BL87mP [1,54] System MIM 23-APR-06 00:38 Logged on Terminal TT4: as GST47 Good Morning ***************************************************************** * * * Welcome to RSX-11M-PLUS * * * * Version 4.6 Base level 87 * * * * This is Mim.Update.UU.SE * * (Running on E11) * ***************************************************************** If you have any problems, or want to ask questions, don't be afraid to write me a mail. MIM is a E11 replacement for Magica, which can't be run 24/7 right now because of costs. Magica is still around, and occasionally online. The E11 license for MIM was kindly donated by John Wilson of DBIT. (Check out www.dbit.com for more information). *** Try HELP FUN for more fun *** *** Try HELP LOCAL for information about compilers and stuff on MIM *** *** A small FAQ have been written. Do "MORE FAQ" *** *** Note that help on compiling and linking are available at HELP LOCAL *** Johnny (bqt at update.uu.se) Last interactive login on Friday, April 21, 2006 21:19:22 (TT4:) Last batch login on Saturday, August 9, 1997 17:36:13 $ @LB:[1,2]SYSLOGIN.CMD What is your name? Johnny RSX-11M-PLUS BL87mP (MIM ) 1920K PDP-11/74 at 00:38:50.8, 23-APR-06 Users=3 Idle=100% Task=.IDLE. Up: 7 days, 22:53. Ticks=3 Errseq=0. user task uic pri where state size(K) ioc par JOHNNY AT.T4 * [ Self ] 64 TT4 Stopped 4/23 GEN J Billquist MCET44 [ Oper ] 50 _TT44 Stopped 2/8 GEN J Billquist MCET5 [ Oper ] 50 _TT5 Stopped 2/8 GEN JOHNNY WHOT4 * [ Self ] 50 TT4 Running 1/4 GEN Welcome to Magica. This is a guest account. Please behave. If you'd like an account of you own, write an email to Johnny Billquist <bqt at update.uu.se> saying so. Please also include the following information about you: 1) Your full name. 2) A working email address to you. (Not an anonymous one) 3) A line or two about who you are. 4) A password for your account. If you have any other requests or wishes, just include them too, and we'll see what can be fixed. /Johnny $ zem /li -- System games -- Game Release Serial Inform Z-Machine ADVENT 5 961209 6.05 5 AMFV 77 850814 4 BALLYHOO 97 851218 3 BEYONDZOR 57 871221 5 BOMBER 3 971123 6.13 5 BORDERZON 9 871008 5 BUREAUCRA 116 870602 4 CUTTHROAT 23 840809 3 DEADLINE 27 831005 3 DOGSLIFE 1 981015 6.15 5 DUNGEON 12 990623 6.14 5 ENCHANTER 29 860820 3 HITCHHIKE 31 871119 5 HOLLYWOOD 37 861215 3 INFIDEL 22 830916 3 LEATHER 59 860730 3 LURKING 203 870506 3 MOONMIST 9 861022 3 NORDANDBE 19 870722 4 PLANETFAL 37 851003 3 PLUNDERER 26 870730 3 SAMEGAME 1 980731 6.15 5 SEASTALKE 16 850603 3 SHERLOCK 21 871214 5 SORCERER 15 851108 3 SPACEZ 1 980710 6.15 5 SPELLBREA 87 860904 3 STARCROSS 17 821021 3 STATIONFA 107 870430 3 SUSPECT 14 841005 3 SUSPENDED 8 840521 3 TRINITY 12 860926 4 WISHBRING 69 850920 3 WITNESS 22 840924 3 ZOKOBAN 1 990810 6.21 5 ZORK1 88 840726 3 ZORK2 48 840904 3 ZORK3 17 840727 3 ZTUU 16 970828 6.13 5 $ ------------------------ Oh, and the FORTRAN version is also around: ------------------------ $ dun Welcome to Dungeon. This version created 16-Jan-03. This is an open field west of a white house with a boarded front door. There is a small mailbox here. A rubber mat saying "Welcome to Dungeon!" lies by the door. >history Revision history: 16-Jan-03 Backport to RSX-11M-PLUS (V3.2C). 20-Oct-94 Bug fixes (V3.2B). 01-Oct-94 Bug fixes (V3.2A). 01-Feb-94 Portable VMS/UNIX version (V3.1A). 01-Jan-90 Portable version (V3.0A). 18-Oct-80 Revised DECUS version (V2.6A). 18-Jul-80 Transportable data base file (V2.5A). 28-Feb-80 Compressed text file (V2.4A). 15-Nov-79 Bug fixes (V2.3A). 18-Jan-79 Revised DECUS version (V2.2A). 10-Oct-78 Puzzle Room (V2.1A). 10-Sep-78 Endgame (V2.0A). 10-Aug-78 DECUS version (V1.1B). 14-Jun-78 Public version with parser (V1.1A). 04-Mar-78 Debugging version (V1.0A). >quit Your score would be 0 [total of 616 points], in 2 moves. This gives you the rank of Beginner. Do you wish to leave the game? y Ok. $ ------------------- Johnny -- Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: bqt at update.uu.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol

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need info on an HP 8-bit scsi card

by Glen.Heiberg＠gijima.com

__________________________________________________ From: Chris M <chrism3667 at yahoo.com> Subject: need info on an HP 8-bit scsi card To: tech <cctech at classiccmp.org> has an NCR 53c400 chip, an als245, and not much else. 4 dip swiches, presumably (hopefully) for setting the id. I have plans for this bad boy... __________________________________________________ Does it have a DB25 female connector at the back? If so, its probably a SCSI adapter for one of the older HP Scanjets like the 4C. Glen. ______________________________________________ "This email is subject to our email legal notice, to view follow this link ' http://www.gijima.com/other/gijima_disclaimer.html ' To receive the legal notice as a PDF document, send an email to 'service.desk at gijima.com'

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Classic gaming, sort of

by spectre＠floodgap.com

With all the discussions about Zork ... http://www.homestarrunner.com/dman3.html -- --------------------------------- personal: http://www.armory.com/~spectre/ --- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckaiser at floodgap.com -- TRUE HEADLINE: Police To Begin Campaign To Run Down Jaywalkers -------------

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facit N4000 OPERATORS manual

by chandrashekar＠mainimail.com

PLEASE CAN YOU SEND THE FACIT N4000 OPERATORS MANUAL BY EMAIL. WITH REGARDS, CHANDRA SEKHARA RAO.

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raw disk copying?

by compoobah＠valleyimplants.com

Never used it yet, but there is a program (G4U) that is based on NetBSD and (is rumored to) perform arbitrary drive cloning. Not sure what hardware platforms it runs on.

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Looking for working DEC M8357 (RX8E)

by derschjo＠pilot.msu.edu

I'm trying to get my PDP-8/e running a "real" OS (as opposed to loading programs one at a time from papertape). I've had an RX02 drive (supposedly working) in my possession for some time, and I just need to find a working M8357 to seal the deal. I currently have a non-functional M8357 -- I get an error code from the dirxac diagnostic that translates to "Unexpected Transfer Request Flag." I'm not much of a hardware hacker, unfortunately, so I'm in no position to debug/repair the board. If anyone out there has an M8357 they're willing to part with, or has the ability to repair these things, please let me know. Thanks! Josh

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raw disk copying?

by uban＠ubanproductions.com

After some more searching, it appears that the whole disk device suffix has changed from 'c' to 'd' and as such if I use /dev/rwd1d as the destination, it doesn't complain. I'll know more after it completes in a few hours. Sorry to bother people with stupid questions... I'm still curious if Partition Magic and/or Ghost are able to copy raw disks. --tnx --tom >I have a pair of IDE hard drives and I want to do a raw copy >from one to the other. I've tried a couple of different approaches >so far without much luck. > >My first experiment was with linux where I created a PC linux >boot CD and hooked my two drives up planning to just dd from >one drive's raw device to the other. To my amazement, I discovered >that linux does not have a raw disk I/O capability by default. >I tried using the block devices, but the resulting copy was >not intact. After doing a bit of searching, I discovered that >there is some sort of rawio extension which allows a raw device >to be associated with a block device, but it also said that dd >would not work with this raw device due to buffer alignment >issues vs. DMA. Go figure... > >My second attempt was with a NetBSD 3.0 install CD, exiting to >the shell and trying dd from rwd0a to rwd1a. I know that back >in the dark ages, this was possible, but apparently in these >modern times things have changed. When I try to do this I receive >a read only error on the /dev/rwd1a device. When the PC boots, >the wdX information goes by to quickly to read and the dmesg >command is not present on the install CD image. > >Is what I want to do possible (anymore)? Do I have to resort >to purchasing Partition Magic or Ghost or something like that? >Do these programs even work on raw disks which have no file >system? > >--tnx >--tom

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Note on Nabil's KL8-JA hardware mods...

by lbickley＠bickleywest.com

There is a minor "bug" in Nabil's hardware mods for adding reader run (CTS) to a KL8-JA. In #5 of his writeup, he states "Jumper from pin 7 of E39 ...". It should read "Jumper from pin 6 of E39 ..." Cheers, Lyle -- Lyle Bickley Bickley Consulting West Inc. Mountain View, CA http://bickleywest.com "Black holes are where God is dividing by zero"

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Was anyone else at Trenton this weekend?

by evan＠snarc.net

Just wondering who else might've fought the rain at the Trenton Computer Festival this weekend. >From our regional club, there was: John Allain, Bob Applegate, Bill Degnan, Bob Grieb, Herb Johnson, Andy Meyer, Bryan Pope, Jim Scheef, and myself. A few random people visited our club booth and said they used to be here on classiccmp, but I didn't get names. Best score of the flea market: Bill Degnan obtained a PDP-11.

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New GTTY - A Glass TTY + Load paper tape for a PDP-8/E/F/M/A - now WITH "PACING"

by lbickley＠bickleywest.com

Want a program to act as a "Glass" TTY for your PDP-8x - with paper tape file upload and capture capabilities? Free? You can download if via anonymous FTP >from "bickleywest.com" or using your browser via "ftp://bickleywest.com". The new version of "GTTY" contains pacing, so that slow PDP-8 programs can read from the "paper tape reader" without issues. Included: The hardware changes you'll need to make on your console async. board to get "pacing" functionality. To make it work you'll need a serial cable from your PDP-8/x TTY console (EIA RS-232 mode) to the serial port of a DOS capable PC. GTTY has been tested with DOS 6.22 and a DOS Window in Windows 98se and Windows XT. A copy of the file "gtty.txt" which describes it's capabilities and limitations is below. ---------------------------------------------------------- GTTY - A Glass TTY + Load paper tape software into a PDP-8 Version 0.91, 4/24/2006 ---------------------------------------------------------- Lyle Bickley, Bickley Consulting West Inc. Note: Changes from release 0.8 include: 1) Ability to "pace" using hardware CTS based on Reader Run. Helpful in dealing with slow software reads from "paper tape" by FOCAL, etc. 2) New function to allow escaping from a "hung" load from CTS drop (Reader Run off). Useful when the BIN loader halts on completion of a load - and there is still "paper tape" trailer in a file. 3) Now supports up to 38400 baud. 4) There is a new function key and a new parameter (see below) Acknowledgemets --------------- This software was inspired by K. McQuiggin's "RIM Client, Version 0.2" (July, 1998), AKA "send.c": http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/pdp8/software/send.c The hardware modifications recommended below are directly or indirectly >from Aaron Nabil's site: http://pdp-8.org/flow.html. Also helpful are Douglas Jones "Notes" on the KL8E and KL8JA asynchronous Interfaces: http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~jones/pdp8/hard8e/kl8e.html http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~jones/pdp8/hard8e/kl8ja.html Software - "Glass TTY - GTTY" ----------------------------- I decided to write a complete "Glass" TTY that could be used as a console, paper tape "reader" and "punch" for my PDP-8/F. I also wanted it to be capable of "pacing", so it could be functional with programs such as FOCAL and multi-segement tapes. Starting up, it is a full duplex glass TTY - and sends the characters you type to the PDP-8 and displays the characters received from the PDP-8 on the screen/monitor. Hitting the "F2" key - it asks you for a PT (paper tape) filename - lets you specify whether you want it to strip "garbage" characters from the tape before uploading it to the PDP8. After the upload, it automatically switches back to "glass" TTY mode. If GTTY get's "hung" while uploading (typically the BIN loader halting after complition of a load with trailer remaining in the "reader") hit F3. This will escape the pacing wait from CTS dropping (RDR RUN off). Hitting the "F4" key asks for the name of a "Capture" file. After entering a filename and hitting "Enter", all data received from the PDP-8 will be captured to the file. Note that the display is turned off - as typically the data to be "captured" is a binary punch file. Hitting the "F5" key closes the capture file and GTTY switches back to "glass" TTY mode. The other two active function keys are "F1" - Help, and "F6" - Exit. Notes: 1. No function keys get passed to the PDP-8 (even those that are not "progamatically active". 2. Filenames are limited to DOS's 8.3 filename format. 3. The GTTY startup parameters (upper or lower case) are: -P port [COM port=1,2,3 or 4] Default "1" -B baud [Baud rate=110,300,600,1200,2400,4800,9600 or 19200] Default "9600" -S stop bits [Number of stop bits=1 or 2] Default "1" -N No CTS hardware (Turns of pacing for those who haven't made the appropriate hardware changes to their KL8E or KL8-JA boards.) -H help 4. I'm a *NIX buff and haven't written DOS code for years, but I wrote GTTY as a DOS program because I know there are a lot of collectors that use "imagedisk", "Teledisk", "PUTR", etc. which only operate on DOS - and many folks who don't have *NIX systems. I've successfully tested GTTY on DOS 6.22, Windows 98 SE in a DOS window, and Windows XT [Home Edition] in a DOS window. 5. I'm including the source code, for anyone who would like to "hack" the program, add feature, etc. My only request is that if you release it back to the community that you change it's name, and maintain my copyright notice in the code and startup. Note that it is totally "free" when used for non-commercial use. Please contact me at lbickley at bickleywest.com for commercial use. 6. I wrote GTTY in "C" - and wanted to use a freely available DOS compiler and libraries. I selected Dave Dunfield's "Micro-C". Dave's compiler and libraries let you get close enough to the "metal" to make a program such as GTTY responsive and effective - easily handling communications, screen and keyboard control simultaneously. His compiler can be downloaded from: www.dunfield.com, either "free" or if you want all the examples and library source (I did) for the modest cost of $25. 7. I've successfully uploaded virtually every paper tape diagnostic available for my system (and it's I/O). In addition, I've uploaded FOCAL and other software without error at 9600 baud. I've tried it using both the M8550-YA and the M8655 "TTY" console boards with equal success. 8. I've tested GTTY with 38400 baud and slow reading - and pacing works! 9. The keyboard backspace and delete keys both generate a TTY rubout (Octal 377) character. NEW Section - Hardware changes to implement "Pacing" ---------------------------------------------------- When running programs like the RIM or BIN loaders, the PDP-8/E is easily able to "keep up" reading a paper tape file from GTTY. However, some programs as FOCAL, read the paper tape reader slowly. Without hardware modifications, GTTY will attempt to "cram" characters to the PDP-8 when it isn't capable of reading them - hence missed data. To fix this problem, your M8550 or M8655 TTY console board needs to be modified. The modification essentially ties RTS/DTR (CTS after a full handshake null modem) to the Reader Run flip flop on the console board. GTTY is able to sense CTS and wait until Reader Run is set (CTS O.K.) before sending a character to the PDP-8. The hardware changes for the KL8-JA are written up nicely by Aaron Nabil at his website: http://pdp-8.org/flow.html. I suggest that you use the "UNTESTED BUT SHOULD WORK" procedure described after steps 1-5. I've tested it - and it works perfectly. The big advantage of this procedure is that current loop remains functional. I also wanted GTTY to work with the older KL8E async controller (M8650). It turns out that the hardware modifications are much easier on the older board! On E32 (MC1488) remove the solder from pins 4 and 5. Gently bend the pins away >from the board so they no longer make contact. Solder both pins 4 and 5 to a jumper wire. Connect the other end of the jumper to E48 (7474 - Rdr Run) pin 9. That's it! The older board works great with both current and EIA modes without any other changes. Have fun! Cheers, Lyle -- Lyle Bickley Bickley Consulting West Inc. Mountain View, CA http://bickleywest.com "Black holes are where God is dividing by zero"

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Cosmetic replicas

by ggs＠shiresoft.com

Hi, I wanted to let you folks know that I'm getting pricing on having some cosmetic parts made up. Here's what I'm going for: * 11/20 front panel plexis. These will be the original colors and be an exact replica of the original 11/20 front panel plexi. It be identical in every way to the original (except that it will look *new*). * H960 header panel inserts. Right now I'm getting quotes for the blank magenta/red and the D|I|G|I|T|A|L PDP-11 inserts. However, I also expect to be able to have produced the yellow/brown and PDP-8E inserts as well. Note that these are *not* the plasic header panels but are the inserts that go in them. As soon as I have pricing I'll let y'all know. It should be in a couple of days. -- TTFN - Guy

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Prime 2250 in the UK

by kossow＠computerhistory.org

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8800968650 Hopefully someone nearby can save this. As someone has pointed out, this machine really needs to be saved. It is a pretty large system, and may have the sources for Salford University's FTN77 compiler on the backup tapes.

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Tektronix 4041 System Controller Docs

by legalize＠xmission.com

Since I just acquired one of these new-in-box with all the docs, if someone else out there needs more docs for these let me know and I'll move them to the top of my scanning queue. Of particular interest is the documentation for several of the ROM packs and the complete programmer's reference documentation giving all the details on the BASIC language in the controller. -- "The Direct3D Graphics Pipeline"-- code samples, sample chapter, FAQ: <http://www.xmission.com/~legalize/book/> Pilgrimage: Utah's annual demoparty <http://pilgrimage.scene.org>

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1350A vs 1351A

by bobalan＠sbcglobal.net

<>No, I'm not sure. It's been a long time. However that's the resolutions given in the manual for the 1350 and in the HP 1980 and 1982 catalogs. Probably they are just rounding it off. The manual does mention the X=1022, Y=1023 max values for a plot absolute command. Bob ----------------------------- Message: 13 Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 19:48:47 +0100 (BST) From: ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell) Subject: Re: 1350 vs 1351 To: cctalk at classiccmp.org Message-ID: <m1FWeD1-000IxzC at p850ug1> Content-Type: text/plain Are you sure about that? I could have sworn the 1350 was 1024*1023 resolution (10 bits/axis, with 'all ones' as one particular coordinate indicating that the 10 bits of other coordinate are a character code + attiributes) -tony

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VAX ADVENTURE, was Re: RL02 problem

by henk.gooijen＠oce.com

Ohh boy, if I can not use the HSC70, even if the CI board L0009 is installed in the VAX without the CI750 (which is a complete cabinets in its own), I think I will try to sell the HSC70 to get some money back spent on the transportation on the system ... I really don't have the space for yet an other cabinet :-( I downloaded DUNGEON, but I mean Zork. Are those two (almost) identical? I never saw Zork, just read about it in an article. I will check out DUNGEON and ADVENT in RT-11 is a couple of weeks. I will also take the time to read through the updated manual (I know, ... I have it on a stack "todo" things). - Henk. > -----Original Message----- > From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org > [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Johnny Billquist > Sent: zondag 23 april 2006 0:45 > To: cctalk at classiccmp.org > Subject: RE: VAX ADVENTURE, was Re: RL02 problem > > "Gooijen, Henk" <henk.gooijen at oce.com> wrote: > > > Cool! Thanks Jim. > > Ethan's and your response have exact the same hh:mm time stamp! > > (at least on my computer). > > For my 11/750 I will need a copy of some OpenVMS version > first, because I > promised to wipe the disks, otherwise I > could only get the system without > the disks. I wanted the > cab with the three RA81's too, and the HSC70, > although I > am not sure if the HSC70 will ever be useful as the L0009 and > > internal cabling is not in the 11/750. > > And I have read that you need besides the L0009 more stuff > ... need to find > out what the HSC70 requires, and maybe I > come to the conclusion that the > HSC70 is only taking up > space ... I am not planning to build a cluster > (don't know > anything about that stuff either), but ... never say never > :-) > > The HSC will require a CI750, which is a whole cabinet of it's own. > If you don't have that one, you're out of luck. > > > I posted a request for Zork (PDP-11) on Amazon a year ago, > but > never had any response. So, your link to the VMS > version is great! > > Hmm. I saw that ZEMU was mentioned later in this discussion > as well, but let me start by asking if you're talking about > the Infocom commercial release, or the FORTRAN port called > DUNGEON is what you're thinking of? > > Anyway, ZEMU exists, and works just fine. However, Megan have > not done anything in a long while, so I'm not sure if it > works as is on RT-11 or not. If someone who have RT-11 is > willing to look at it, I'd be grateful. > The RSX version is just fine, though. Anyone who wants to > try, just log into MIM. > > -------------- > Junk:/home/bqt> telnet mim.update.uu.se > Trying 130.238.19.211... > Connected to mim.update.uu.se. > Escape character is '^]'. > This is MIM.Update.UU.SE > > > > hel guest/guest > > RSX-11M-PLUS V4.6 BL87mP [1,54] System MIM > 23-APR-06 00:38 Logged on Terminal TT4: as GST47 > > Good Morning > > > > ***************************************************************** > * > * > * Welcome to RSX-11M-PLUS > * > * > * > * Version 4.6 Base level 87 > * > * > * > * This is Mim.Update.UU.SE > * > * (Running on E11) > * > > ***************************************************************** > > If you have any problems, or want to ask questions, don't > be afraid to write me a mail. > > > MIM is a E11 replacement for Magica, which can't be run 24/7 > right now because of costs. Magica is still around, and > occasionally online. > The E11 license for MIM was kindly donated by John Wilson of DBIT. > (Check out www.dbit.com for more information). > > *** Try HELP FUN for more fun *** > *** Try HELP LOCAL for information about compilers and stuff > on MIM *** > *** A small FAQ have been written. Do "MORE FAQ" *** > > *** Note that help on compiling and linking are available at > HELP LOCAL *** > > Johnny (bqt at update.uu.se) > > > Last interactive login on Friday, April 21, 2006 21:19:22 (TT4:) > Last batch login on Saturday, August 9, 1997 17:36:13 > > $ @LB:[1,2]SYSLOGIN.CMD > What is your name? Johnny > > RSX-11M-PLUS BL87mP (MIM ) 1920K PDP-11/74 at 00:38:50.8, 23-APR-06 > Users=3 Idle=100% Task=.IDLE. Up: 7 days, 22:53. Ticks=3 > Errseq=0. > > user task uic pri where state size(K) ioc par > JOHNNY AT.T4 * [ Self ] 64 TT4 Stopped 4/23 GEN > J Billquist MCET44 [ Oper ] 50 _TT44 Stopped 2/8 GEN > J Billquist MCET5 [ Oper ] 50 _TT5 Stopped 2/8 GEN > JOHNNY WHOT4 * [ Self ] 50 TT4 Running 1/4 GEN > > Welcome to Magica. > This is a guest account. Please behave. > > If you'd like an account of you own, write an email to Johnny > Billquist <bqt at update.uu.se> saying so. > Please also include the following information about you: > 1) Your full name. > 2) A working email address to you. (Not an anonymous one) > 3) A line or two about who you are. > 4) A password for your account. > > If you have any other requests or wishes, just include them > too, and we'll see what can be fixed. > > /Johnny > $ zem /li > -- System games -- > Game Release Serial Inform Z-Machine > ADVENT 5 961209 6.05 5 > AMFV 77 850814 4 > BALLYHOO 97 851218 3 > BEYONDZOR 57 871221 5 > BOMBER 3 971123 6.13 5 > BORDERZON 9 871008 5 > BUREAUCRA 116 870602 4 > CUTTHROAT 23 840809 3 > DEADLINE 27 831005 3 > DOGSLIFE 1 981015 6.15 5 > DUNGEON 12 990623 6.14 5 > ENCHANTER 29 860820 3 > HITCHHIKE 31 871119 5 > HOLLYWOOD 37 861215 3 > INFIDEL 22 830916 3 > LEATHER 59 860730 3 > LURKING 203 870506 3 > MOONMIST 9 861022 3 > NORDANDBE 19 870722 4 > PLANETFAL 37 851003 3 > PLUNDERER 26 870730 3 > SAMEGAME 1 980731 6.15 5 > SEASTALKE 16 850603 3 > SHERLOCK 21 871214 5 > SORCERER 15 851108 3 > SPACEZ 1 980710 6.15 5 > SPELLBREA 87 860904 3 > STARCROSS 17 821021 3 > STATIONFA 107 870430 3 > SUSPECT 14 841005 3 > SUSPENDED 8 840521 3 > TRINITY 12 860926 4 > WISHBRING 69 850920 3 > WITNESS 22 840924 3 > ZOKOBAN 1 990810 6.21 5 > ZORK1 88 840726 3 > ZORK2 48 840904 3 > ZORK3 17 840727 3 > ZTUU 16 970828 6.13 5 > $ > ------------------------ > > Oh, and the FORTRAN version is also around: > > ------------------------ > $ dun > Welcome to Dungeon. This version created > 16-Jan-03. > This is an open field west of a white house with a boarded front door. > There is a small mailbox here. > A rubber mat saying "Welcome to Dungeon!" lies by the door. > >history > Revision history: > > 16-Jan-03 Backport to RSX-11M-PLUS (V3.2C). > 20-Oct-94 Bug fixes (V3.2B). > 01-Oct-94 Bug fixes (V3.2A). > 01-Feb-94 Portable VMS/UNIX version (V3.1A). > 01-Jan-90 Portable version (V3.0A). > 18-Oct-80 Revised DECUS version (V2.6A). > 18-Jul-80 Transportable data base file (V2.5A). > 28-Feb-80 Compressed text file (V2.4A). > 15-Nov-79 Bug fixes (V2.3A). > 18-Jan-79 Revised DECUS version (V2.2A). > 10-Oct-78 Puzzle Room (V2.1A). > 10-Sep-78 Endgame (V2.0A). > 10-Aug-78 DECUS version (V1.1B). > 14-Jun-78 Public version with parser (V1.1A). > 04-Mar-78 Debugging version (V1.0A). > >quit > Your score would be 0 [total of 616 points], in 2 moves. > This gives you the rank of Beginner. > Do you wish to leave the game? > y > Ok. > $ > ------------------- > > Johnny > > -- > Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus > || on a psychedelic trip > email: bqt at update.uu.se || Reading murder books > pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol > > This message and attachment(s) are intended solely for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged, confidential or otherwise exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient or agent thereof responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by telephone and with a "reply" message. Thank you for your cooperation.

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RL02 problem

by henk.gooijen＠oce.com

Oops, thanks for the correction. You must use the /BOOT option! And indeed, the DL or DLX driver must be on the boot cartridge. If it is not, use .COPY/SYS DL0:DL.SYS DL1: (or DLX.SYS) I hope I did not make more errors this time :-) - Henk. > -----Original Message----- > From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org > [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Christian Corti > Sent: donderdag 20 april 2006 11:21 > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > Subject: RE: RL02 problem > > On Thu, 20 Apr 2006, Gooijen, Henk wrote: > > They are the monitors. Choose the one you want and do .COPY/SYS > > DL1:RT11FB.SYS . > > (exactly like this, the final dot belows to the comnmand). > > That will write the monitor to the boot block(s). > > No, it won't. This will only copy the monitor file. The boot > block is created with .COPY/BOOT:DL DL0:RT11FB DL0: > (this will install the RL boot loader and make it load the FB monitor) > > You need to make sure that the RL driver (DL.SYS or DLX.SYS) > is already on the target disk. > > BTW do a HELP COPY and you will get a good list of all > available options for COPY. > > Christian > > > This message and attachment(s) are intended solely for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged, confidential or otherwise exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient or agent thereof responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by telephone and with a "reply" message. Thank you for your cooperation.

20 years, 4 months

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anyone have a terminal server?

by dm561＠torfree.net

How about a single port terminal server or a PC running TS software connected to one of the ports of an RS232 PBX; that should give pretty well any connection option. Local computers, terminals & printers could talk to each other and also have access to the net. mike ----------------Original Message: Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 22:46:31 -0500 From: "Jay West" <jwest at classiccmp.org> Subject: Re: anyone have a terminal server? Richard wrote.... >> However, its my understanding that you could use the terminal server >> "in reverse" to connect from the TCP/IP enabled machine to a port on >> the terminal server and from there talk to the RS-232 style monitor >> port on an older machine like some S-100 bus based machine. To which Der Mouse replied... > This depends on the terminal server. Some of them do this ("reverse > telnet", I think at least one of them calls it); others don't. If this > is what you want, you need to be careful when looking at terminal > servers to make sure you get one that can do it. Exactly my point... which is why I said " *GENERALLY* terminal servers aren't the right tool for this", and instead said the data pbx was. Richard keeps saying 'terminal server', but all he specifies makes me think he wants the data pbx instead. Jay

20 years, 4 months

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Portable Commodore 64

by jfoust＠threedee.com

At 09:01 AM 4/20/2006, you wrote: >I found one of these on ebay (8278074346). I have never seen or heard >of it before, does anyone here have one ? You meant 8278074345 or 8796143722 . Uncommon, that's all. If you look at completed listings, there were three recently, at about US $65. - John

20 years, 4 months

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VAX ADVENTURE, was Re: RL02 problem

by henk.gooijen＠oce.com

Hi Doc, I got my DUNGEON from here: http://www.geocities.com/capecanaveral/5517/pdp11.htm but it's been a while since I looked at it. However, I will pick this up soon. thanks, - Henk. > -----Original Message----- > From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org > [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Doc Shipley > Sent: maandag 24 april 2006 14:55 > To: General at mdrconsult.com; On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > Subject: Re: VAX ADVENTURE, was Re: RL02 problem > > Gooijen, Henk wrote: > > Ohh boy, if I can not use the HSC70, even if the CI board L0009 > > is installed in the VAX without the CI750 (which is a complete > > cabinets in its own), I think I will try to sell the HSC70 to > > get some money back spent on the transportation on the system ... > > I really don't have the space for yet an other cabinet :-( > > > > I downloaded DUNGEON, but I mean Zork. Are those two (almost) > > identical? I never saw Zork, just read about it in an article. > > I will check out DUNGEON and ADVENT in RT-11 is a couple of > > weeks. I will also take the time to read through the updated > > manual (I know, ... I have it on a stack "todo" things). > > Henk, > I don't know if it is the DUNGEON you have, but the > following sort of implies that Zork and DUNGEON are the same > game. It's the READ_ME file from the 2.11BSD Zork "source" directory: > > This is a patched up RT-11 binary which ran on an LSI-11. > This program was originally distributed on a Purdue mailing > and was full of bugs. Many bugs in that distribution have been fixed. > This is not a pristine, elegent implemention but it works! > > DUNGEON expects following files: > > /usr/chris/dungeon/zork UNIX a.out file for Dungeon root > segment and RT-11 Fortran Runtime > /usr/chris/dungeon/dtext.dat Text file in random access-format > /usr/chris/dungeon/dindex.dat Indicies (probably into dtext.dat) > /usr/chris/dungeon/doverlay Original RT-11 DUNGEO.SAV > (reads overlays from here) > > > If you don't like these pathnames, "dungeon.c" may be > modified to reflect the desired names. Pathnames were > originally in "o.s" but "dungeon.c" was implemented at Purdue > as an easier way to change them than patching binaries. > However, we have standardized the d/o.s interface. It now > would be an simple task to put pathnames in o.s if one so desired. > > Other files of interest: > > dungeon.c C program with date and UID check and exec of dungeon. > > o.s Assembler driver to make dungeon run under UNIX. > Loads overlays, save/restore games, etc. This must > be relocated to 0146000 and stuck on the end of the > dungeon binary file "d". (We don't have sources) > > p1 sh file to patch up a.out file "dung" so interface > between "d" and "o.s" works. > > 1.s kludge file to achive . = .+ 0146000 > > mkovl sh file to make overlay driver, attach it to "d", > and make a UNIX a.out file by attaching the > proper header. > > --ccw > > This message and attachment(s) are intended solely for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged, confidential or otherwise exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient or agent thereof responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by telephone and with a "reply" message. Thank you for your cooperation.

20 years, 4 months

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9914 Manuals (soon) available

by kyrrin＠bluefeathertech.com

Fellow techies, Just as soon as I get my FTP archive back up (was taken down yesterday for upgrade, suffered a power supply failure, long story, grumblegrumble), at least two of the manuals (in .PDF) for the M9914 drive will be freely available. Site and path will be: ftp.bluefeathertech.com /pub/computing/hardware/storage/M4-Data/9914 Anonymous access works fine. However, due to bandwidth limits, only 5 such logins can be accomodated at any one time. Then again, my site is generally low-activity so 5-at-a-time isn't usually a problem. Now, with that said... If anyone knows how to reconfigure a dual-supply Compaq Proliant 6500 to operate off a single supply, I can get the thing back up that much sooner. Failing that, It'll need to wait for Monday evening after I can get a replacement for the one that fried. Keep the peace(es). -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Owner & Head Hardware Heavy, Blue Feather Technologies -- http://www.bluefeathertech.com kyrrin (at) bluefeathertech do/t c=o=m "If Salvador Dali had owned a computer, would it have been equipped with surreal ports?"

20 years, 4 months

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Sonitech Dual C40 VMEbus board

by RMeenaks＠olf.com

Hi, Does anyone have the software/documentation/drivers for this board???? Thanks, Ram

20 years, 4 months

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As is test equipment

by Useddec＠aol.com

If you can use anything, let me know and I'll send you a list. Thanks, Paul

20 years, 4 months

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As is monitors and terminals

by Useddec＠aol.com

I have a quantity of as is monitors and terminals, mostly DEC and Wyse. If you have any interest in buying or trading, please feel free to contact me off list. Thanks, Paul

20 years, 4 months

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as is monitors and terminals

by Useddec＠aol.com

20 years, 4 months

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Fwd: As is test equipment

by Useddec＠aol.com

20 years, 4 months

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As is test equipment

by Useddec＠aol.com

I've seen a lot of talk about test equipment here, and thought this may be of interest to some of you. The following is a list of as is test equipment that is for sale or trade. Please feel free to send any offers or questions to me off list or contact me at 217-586-5361 between 10 AM and midnight central time (out from 9 to 10:15 PM). All are located in Illinois. Thanks, Paul Test Equipment AS/IS 4-23-06 Brand Part Number QTY Description HP 8407A w/ 8412A 1 Network Analyzer Phase Magnitude Display HP Model 400C 1 HP 8170A 1 Logic Pattern Generation HP 608D 1 VHF Signal Analyzer HP 1630G 2 Logic Analyzer w/ some probes HP 4951A 1 Protocol Analyzer Lear Siegler 7652? 1 Digital Multimeter General Radio 1217C w/ type 1201C 1 Unit Pulse Generator Power Supply Nicolet 206 w/D3 1 2 Storage Scope Amps Rockland 752A 1 Programmable Elliptic Filter Biomation 8200 w/ 8100-D 1 Wave Form Recorder Digital Logic Recorder Fluke 6160B 1 Frequency Synthesizer Hitachi V550V 1 Scope Tektronix 7704A 1 Scope (no plug ins) Tektronix 4110 1 Series Tablet Interface Tektronix 4510 1 Graphics Rasterizer Tektronix 564 w/ 3A1 w/ 3B3 1 Storage Scope Dual Trace Amp Time Base Tektronix 611 1 Storage Display Unit Tektronix Type W 1 Plug in Tektronix 7704A w/ 7826 w/ 7B85 w/ 7B80 1 2 1 1 Dual Trace Amps (1 w/ broken knobs) Delaying Time Place Time Base Tektronix 2465 1 500 MHz Tektronix 7603 w/ 7L14 1 Scope Spectrum Analyzer Tektronix 7603 w/ 7D01 w/ D41 1 Scope (2 broken knobs) Logic Analyzer (1 broken knob) Display Formatter ____________________________________

20 years, 4 months

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(no subject)

by Useddec＠aol.com

The following is a list of as is monitors and terminals that are for sale or trade. Most are 10-20 years old, and probably have shorted caps in the power supply. I don't have the time to play with them now, but they would be great projects or spare parts units. Any cannibals out there? Please feel free to send any offers or questions to me off list or contact me at 217-586-5361 between 10 AM and midnight central time (out from 9 to 10:15 PM). All are located in Illinois. I also have some working units also, and parts as well as most of the VT100 family. Thanks, Paul As/Is Monitors 4-23-06 Part Number QTY Description PCXBU-YA 1 PCXBV-BC 1 VR150-AA 5 VR160-DA 2 VR201 untested 1 VR201A untested 2 VT240 Bases 4 For 201/241?s VR241 3 VR260 3 VR262 2 VR299-DA 1 VR319-DA 1 VRC16 1 VRC21 7 VRC21-HA 4 VRC21-WA 1 VRT17-HA 4 VRTX7-KA 1 VT220-B 1 VT330-J2 1 VT420 2 VT420-C2 1 VT420-D6 2 VT510 1 VT510-C4 1 VT520 2 VT/78 with MR78 untested 2 Video Data Processor WT/78 untested 1 Word Processor MITSUBISHI AUM1371A 1 WYSE WY55 1 WYSE WY150 3 WYSE WY325 1 WYSE WY85 1 WYSE WY185 1 Xerox N39 1

20 years, 4 months

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Le Croy boards

by Useddec＠aol.com

I have a few dozen or so Le Croy boards for trade or sale. If you have any interest, contact me off list and I will supply you with the list. Thanks, Paul

20 years, 4 months

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VAX ADVENTURE, was Re: RL02 problem

by henk.gooijen＠oce.com

I don't remember what the problem was, but I had a discussion with about it back then. Indeed, there was something missing that Megan would work on ... I used the RT-11 distribution that comes with SIMH, I still do in SIMH. I will give it an other try in a couple of weeks. I know Zork is difficult to find :-) but there *must* be someone out there that has a copy (and is willing to make that available). I do not need the original disk, a copy or a .zip file would be great! - Henk. > -----Original Message----- > From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org > [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Zane H. Healy > Sent: zaterdag 22 april 2006 18:54 > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > Subject: RE: VAX ADVENTURE, was Re: RL02 problem > > At 5:13 PM +0200 4/22/06, Gooijen, Henk wrote: > >I have Planetfall and Leather goddess of Phobos (IIRC), but they are > >for the ATARI. I once tried Zemu in RT-11 in SIMH :-) but I > missed the > >correct library to get the OBJs linked. Never finished it. > > I'm guessing you were missing the SYSTEM.MLB library? > > Megan did the RT-11 port against RT-11 5.7, and there is a > good chance you won't be able to run it on any other version, > with the possible exception of 5.6. I did build an early > version of ZEMU on 5.6, but had to do the following: > > Added to ZRT.MAC > GETAVO:: > RETURN > GETCOL:: > RETURN > GETSOF:: > RETURN > > My notes seem to indicate these are some routines that Johnny > had added to the version of the source that I had, but hadn't > told Megan about at the point that I grabbed the source. I > was unable to build on 5.6 against a later version. > > I couldn't get this to build against 5.4, and at the time > didn't have 5.5. I don't know if I ever found time to try > building the V1 or > V1.5 source. > > I should still have the old version that works on my PDP-11. > > > > Quite a rare beast. If you ever find one, let us know. > > > >So, list members ... who has a copy of Zork for RT-11, and is willing > >to make it available? :-) > > Good luck finding a copy of the official release. I know I > don't have a copy, and I don't know anyone who does. > > Zane > > > -- > | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | > | healyzh at aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | > | MONK::HEALYZH (DECnet) | Classic Computer Collector | > +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ > | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | > | PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. | > | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ | > This message and attachment(s) are intended solely for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged, confidential or otherwise exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient or agent thereof responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by telephone and with a "reply" message. Thank you for your cooperation.

20 years, 4 months

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As is test equipment

by Useddec＠aol.com

The following is a list of as is test equipment that is for sale or trade. Please feel free to send any offers or questions to me off list or contact me at 217-586-5361 between 10am and midnight central time (out from 9 to 10:15 PM). All are located in Illinois. Thanks, Paul Test Equipment AS/IS 4-23-06 Brand Part Number QTY Description HP 8407A w/ 8412A 1 Network Analyzer Phase Magnitude Display HP Model 400C 1 HP 8170A 1 Logic Pattern Generation HP 608D 1 VHF Signal Analyzer HP 1630G 2 Logic Analyzer w/ some probes HP 4951A 1 Protocol Analyzer Lear Siegler 7652? 1 Digital Multimeter General Radio 1217C w/ type 1201C 1 Unit Pulse Generator Power Supply Nicolet 206 w/D3 1 2 Storage Scope Amps Rockland 752A 1 Programmable Elliptic Filter Biomation 8200 w/ 8100-D 1 Wave Form Recorder Digital Logic Recorder Fluke 6160B 1 Frequency Synthesizer Hitachi V550V 1 Scope Tektronix 7704A 1 Scope (no plug ins) Tektronix 4110 1 Series Tablet Interface Tektronix 4510 1 Graphics Rasterizer Tektronix 564 w/ 3A1 w/ 3B3 1 Storage Scope Dual Trace Amp Time Base Tektronix 611 1 Storage Display Unit Tektronix Type W 1 Plug in Tektronix 7704A w/ 7826 w/ 7B85 w/ 7B80 1 2 1 1 Dual Trace Amps (1 w/ broken knobs) Delaying Time Place Time Base Tektronix 2465 1 500 MHz Tektronix 7603 w/ 7L14 1 Scope Spectrum Analyzer Tektronix 7603 w/ 7D01 w/ D41 1 Scope (2 broken knobs) Logic Analyzer (1 broken knob) Display Formatter ____________________________________

20 years, 4 months

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As is monitors and terminals

by Useddec＠aol.com

The following is a list of as is monitors and terminals that are for sale or trade. Please feel free to send any offers or questions to me off list or contact me at 217-586-5361 between 10am and midnight central time (out from 9 to 10:15 PM). All are located in Illinois. I also have some working units and parts. Thanks, Paul As/Is Monitors 4-23-06 Part Number QTY Description PCXBU-YA 1 PCXBV-BC 1 VR150-AA 5 VR160-DA 2 VR201 1 VR201A 2 VT240 Bases 4 For 201/240?s VR241 3 VR260 3 VR262 2 VR299-DA 1 VR319-DA 1 VRC16 1 VRC21 7 VRC21-HA 4 VRC21-WA 1 VRT17-HA 4 VRTX7-KA 1 VT220-B 1 VT330-J2 1 VT420 2 VT420-C2 1 VT420-D6 2 VT510 1 VT510-C4 1 VT520 2 VT/78 with MR78 2 Video Data Processor WT/78 1 Word Processor MITSUBISHI AUM1371A 1 WYSE WY55 1 WYSE WY150 3 WYSE WY325 1 WYSE WY85 1 WYSE WY185 1 Xerox N39 1

20 years, 4 months

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help...early Zenith multisyncer refusing to sync

by chrism3667＠yahoo.com

dont have the model number handy, was the first unit to sport a flat screen (but my SX-64 has a pretty flat screen...hmmmm. Perhaps the curvature is more pronounced on larger tubes, making teensy weensy ones seem flatter). Plugged in a VGA signal...ewwww. What a mess. Not likely Id simply find a toasted cap I bet. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

20 years, 4 months

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earliest graphics display system in your collection?

by legalize＠xmission.com

OK, what's the earliest graphics display system held by any of you collectors? "graphics display system" is anything that creates a graphics image with a display: calligraphic, storage tube, plasma, raster, etc. Block character graphics don't count (or I would include my Commodore CBM 8032 and all the stupid terminals :). My timeline goes like this, based on year introduced: 196?: Evans & Sutherland PS-300 terminal 197?: Tektronix 4010 terminal 1974: Tektronix 4014 terminal 1977: Hewlett-Packard 2648A terminal Hewlett-Packard 1350A graphics translator 1979: Atari 800 microcomputer 1981: IBM PC CGA microcomputer 1983: Televideo TS-803 microcomputer 1984: Megatek Whizzard 1645 terminal Diser Eve workstation 1984?: Tektronix 4105 terminal 1985: Sun 3/110 workstation 1986: Hewlett-Packard 2397A terminal 1988: NCD 14p X terminal 1989: Evans & Sutherland ESV workstation 1991: Evans & Sutherland Freedom accelerator 1993: SGI Indigo^2 workstation []? - I don't know for certain, can you fill in the year? -- "The Direct3D Graphics Pipeline"-- code samples, sample chapter, FAQ: <http://www.xmission.com/~legalize/book/> Pilgrimage: Utah's annual demoparty <http://pilgrimage.scene.org>

20 years, 4 months

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ZDungeon/Zemu (was Re: VAX ADVENTURE)

by ethan.dicks＠gmail.com

On 4/23/06, Johnny Billquist <bqt at update.uu.se> wrote: > $ zem /li > -- System games -- > Game Release Serial Inform Z-Machine > ADVENT 5 961209 6.05 5 . . . > DUNGEON 12 990623 6.14 5 ZDungeon is up to Release 13/Serial Number 040826 now. I would pitch version 12 - it has a serious bug with answering the questions in the endgame. There will be another release at some point to fix a bug that can prevent you from getting credit for all the treasures you pick up if the random numbers fall the wrong way. http://www.penguincentral.com/retrocomputing/zdungeon/

20 years, 4 months

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HP 2397A color terminal manuals?

by legalize＠xmission.com

BitSavers doesn't have it and neither does the HP museum. Anyone got a manual set for the HP 2397A color terminal? Documentation Supplied: HP 2397A User's Manual (02397-90001) HP 2397A Reference Manual (02397-90002) Documentation Available: HP 2397A Service Manual (02393-90003) -- "The Direct3D Graphics Pipeline"-- code samples, sample chapter, FAQ: <http://www.xmission.com/~legalize/book/> Pilgrimage: Utah's annual demoparty <http://pilgrimage.scene.org>

20 years, 4 months

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FORTRAN Adventure (was Re: RL02 problem)

by ethan.dicks＠gmail.com

On 4/22/06, Gooijen, Henk <henk.gooijen at oce.com> wrote: > Sorry to drift a bit off-topic (RL02 problem), (subject line edited for topic drift) > but I have a question regarding Adventure running on the 11/750, Ethan. > I have an 11/750 and would love to run Adventure on it :-) > Did you use the PDP-11 RT-11 Adventure version , or is there a version > of Adventure specific for for the VAX-11/750 ? Back in the day (1985), I ran a native FORTRAN version of Adventure compiled on our 11/750 running VMS 3.4 (3.6?). I think we ran the same binary under 4.x and 5.x, but I can't recall if we re-linked the .OBJ files or not. It's rather trivial to take the RSX/RSTS Adventure sources and get them working under VAX FORTRAN - a 32-bit environment and wads of virtual space removes many of the restrictions imposed by a 16-bit virtual space on an -11 OS. On a PDP-11, I think all ADVENT implementations use overlays - not required on a VAX. -ethan

20 years, 4 months

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paper tape reader/punch (N4000) info

by chandrashekar＠mainimail.com

please send N4000 operator manual.

20 years, 4 months

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BIOS listing for a Cifer 2684

by cclist＠sydex.com

Does anyone have the CBIOS in source form for a Cifer 2684? I'm looking into a project and need some info that could be answered easily by the CBIOS. Thanks, Chuck

20 years, 4 months

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IDO 5.3 on IRIX 4.0.5

by compoobah＠valleyimplants.com

Just fired up DouglasIRIS (4D/25) on the 4.0.5 disk, and it looks like the IRIX4 "cross compilation environment" (even tho' its not a "cross compiler", I'm not sure what else to call it.) from IDO-5.3 will run under IRIX 4.0.5. This is just basic tests (untar it, run "cc" and some other stuff and see if it dies or not), but it looks promising. All I need to do is sort out where everything goes under IRIX 4, and test it on some real source.

20 years, 4 months

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Available: Various source/documentation microfische

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

If anyone is interested, please politely contact original poster, not me. Jay West ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Howes" <jim.howes at prosig.com> To: <jwest at classiccmp.org> Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 6:10 AM Subject: Various source/documentation microfische > I've built up a list of assorted stuff that you may be interested in. > > I don't have a microfische reader, and get odd looks at my local library > when I nip in there to use theirs (and they are going over to > computerised indexes, so the fische readers are going soon (note to > self: beg/borrow/rehome/steal one!). > > I made a list a few years ago. I've stuffed it one the web. URL below. > > The lines in this text file are mainly in this format: > > Group name (various different manuals for a particular device share the > same title) > > Manual/source description, possibly with serial numbers or other > references, most of which I'm not sure of the meaning of. > > Date (somewhere between OCT76 and OCT81) > > Number of fisches in this set > > DEC Part number > > --- > For instance: > PDP11 MOS/CORE G124K EXER CZKMAF0 SEP79 1 AH-8851F-MC > > or > > VAX/VMS 4.4 VAX/VMS V2.4 SOURCE LISTINGS MCRF ????? 536 > AH-HP48A-SE > > (hmm. seems I made a typo on that one). I remember VMS 4.4, just > typing &<RETURN> at the command line would log you out with reserved > operand error and a stack dump. I think the VMS4.4 sources may be > elsewhere at the moment, it's such a long time since I looked at them. > > Anyway, the file is archived here: > > http://www.notout.demon.co.uk/fische.txt > > > I think, on the whole, I'd rather keep hold of these, but will happily > lend them to people who make reasonable requests (and supply stamped > addressed envelopes for instance). However, if a good cause would like > to take them and catalogue them properly and use them for the benefit of > DEC history as a whole, then I'll certainly consider it. > > I'm not sure of the copyright issues regarding the VMS Source listings. > I did try asking a while ago, but got no reply. > > I'm based in Portsmouth, UK. > > Regards, > Jim > >

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As is terminals and monitors

by useddec＠aol.com

The following is a list of as is monitors and terminals. Great for spare parts or repairs. Some are 20+ years old, some are newer. If you have any interest, please feel free to make offers on any pieces you want. Please reply to me off list- useddec at aol.com Thanks, Paul As/Is MonitorsQTYDescription PCXBU-YA 1 PCXBV-BC 1 VR150-AA 3 VR160-DA 1 VR241 3 VR260 3 VR262 2 VR299-DA 1 VR319-DA 1 VRC16 1 VRC21 7 VRC21-HA 4 VRC21-WA 1 VRT17-HA 4 VRTX7-KA 1 VT220-B 1 VT330-J2 1 VT420 1 VT420-C2 1 VT510-C4 1 VT520 2 MITSUBISHI AUM1371A 1 WYSE WY150 3 WYSE WY325 1 WYSE WY85 1 WYSE WY185 1

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Anyone got a spare HPIL keyboard?

by legalize＠xmission.com

I purchased an HP2397A color terminal. It needs a monitor and keyboard. The monitor is straightforward and can be taken care of with a cable. (Although it would be nice to find the appropriate HP period monitor.) The keyboard is a different story. I need an HPIL keyboard. Its my understanding that any HPIL keyboard would work, but that I'd need one that understands HPIL and couldn't rig up a stock PS2 style keyboard. I'm not asking for charity, I'll pay a reasonable price :-). -- "The Direct3D Graphics Pipeline"-- code samples, sample chapter, FAQ: <http://www.xmission.com/~legalize/book/> Pilgrimage: Utah's annual demoparty <http://pilgrimage.scene.org>

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FORTRAN Adventure (was Re: RL02 problem)

by rickb＠bensene.com

My first experience with Adventure was on the CDC Cyber 73 at Tektronix in 1977-'78. Wouldn't run on the (coolest ever) console, but only on remote terminals, typically old Tek 4010's DVST terminals (and some 4002A's, which were probably one of the coolest terminals made, IMHO) which were connected through a MODCOMP II front-end machine for serving lots of terminals via a massive panel of RS-232 connections. Operating system was KRONOS. I'm wondering if the port that we had came from you? I think, somewhere, I have a source listing of it on greenline 132 column paper, but it might take a while to find it. Other than the cool graphics games that could be played on the console (chess, spacewars, and a few others that I can't remember off hand). Adventure was the best there was -- and it probably contributed to the biggest waste of "expensive" computer time in its day (back in the days when time on the machine was accounted for, and charged-back to each cost-center who used it). Rick Bensene The Old Calculator Web Museum http://oldcalculatormuseum.com > -----Original Message----- > From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org > [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Guzis > Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 11:25 AM > To: cctalk at classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: FORTRAN Adventure (was Re: RL02 problem) > > On 4/23/2006 at 12:03 AM Ethan Dicks wrote: > > >It's rather trivial to take the RSX/RSTS Adventure sources > and get them > >working under VAX FORTRAN - a 32-bit environment and wads of virtual > >space removes many of the restrictions imposed by a 16-bit virtual > >space on an -11 OS. On a PDP-11, I think all ADVENT implementations > >use overlays - not required on a VAX. > > Geez, where did you guys get a VAX FORTRAN version? Back > around 1974(? > IIRC), a friend who was a field engineer with DEC gave me a > (7 track) tape from a DECsystem 10 with the FORTRAN source. > It took me about a week of bootlegging effort to get the tape > read and ported over to a CDC Cyber 174. > > Judging from the huge collective waste of company time and > resources spent on the game, it was a wonder I didn't get fired. > > Cheers, > Chuck > > >

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Back up 9 Track to CD

by steerex＠mindspring.com

>>I've also got a pile of spare 9GB HD's. I suppose I could dump the images there as well. With multiple copy's on CD >>and on HD's. The data should be safe. > >>There is a 9 track attached to my HPUX 10.20 box so, reading and writing the tapes is no problem. The HPUX box >>does not have a CD burner directly attached although, I can FTP files to a WINDOWS box and burn CD's there. >> >>So the question is: >>Can I just DD the tapes to a file and stick the file on CD/HD then recreate the tape from the CD when needed? > Nope. >You need to keep track of the block sizes as you read the tape. Also you >need to keep track of the EOT markers. dd doesn't do this. >You should be able to find a program on the net that will read the data >into a .tap (or similar) file (anyone have a link?). This program really >should be added to the simh tools, if it isn't already. >I've written a version in basic for VMS, but that isn't going to help >you very much with unix. After sending the original message, I found a "copytape" utility in some old archives. I had to hack the code to get it to compile under HPUX but, it's finally working, more or less. The utility reads a tape to a file/tape preserving the blocking. I copied an old HPUX install tape, with multiple block sizes, to a file. I was then able to create a tape from the archive that LOOKs like an original tape. Until I do a complete install using the copies, I can't be sure they'll actually work. >From the looks of it, this might be the solution I've been looking for. The program could really use some additional features. Like an ASCII header appended to the beginning of the file to indicate what the file is, how to recreate the original tape, system, date / timestamp, etc... Hmmmm... I guess that'll give me someting to do :-) Thanks, SteveRob

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Avail: IBM 3.5" drive carriers

by dave06a＠dunfield.com

In a pile of other equipment just received, I found Qty 6 IBM 3.5" drive carriers of the type often found in servers. They have black faceplates with a large black lever that has a purplish blue release catch. Front label (in lower left corner) reads: IBM 73.4 GB 10k U160 FRU 06P5760 These are carriers only - no drives. Knowning how long it took me to find carriers for my Compaq server - it seems a shame to toss them. Anyone need/want them? Regards, Dave -- dave06a (at) Dave Dunfield dunfield (dot) Firmware development services & tools: www.dunfield.com com Collector of vintage computing equipment: http://www.parse.com/~ddunfield/museum/index.html

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DEC M3134-PA DS500 module

by legalize＠xmission.com

A module list I scrounged off the net says this: M3134-PA DS500 Q IBM Terminal server, 4 port (DECServer 500) Now we were just talking about how in order to hook up an IBM terminal to something, you'd have to hook up an IBM box. This seems to indicate that you could do otherwise and it would work? The module ports are BNC style coax it appears. Does anyone have any familiarity with this module? -- "The Direct3D Graphics Pipeline"-- code samples, sample chapter, FAQ: <http://www.xmission.com/~legalize/book/> Pilgrimage: Utah's annual demoparty <http://pilgrimage.scene.org>

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troubleshooting Macintosh II no-power situation

by bear＠typewritten.org

Howdy folks; I've recently added a Macintosh II, IIx, and IIfx to my collection. The IIfx works. The II and IIx fail to power-up. Nothing happens when the power button is pressed on either machine. It's not the power supply, as the PSU from the working IIfx fails to power up either the II or IIx. It's not the battery either, at least in the case of the II, as I've replaced both batteries to no avail. Can anybody point out any other likely culprits that I can chase down? Thanks! ok bear

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How much to charge for classic computer rental

by jthecman＠netscape.net

I have a very large US computer company wanting to rent a classic computer for 12 months to help fight a lawsuit they are in. They have offered me $50 a month to hold and use the computer for the next 12 months. what is a fair price? This could save them millions from the lawsuit. Thanks, the computer is about 15 years old (on topic). John ___________________________________________________ Try the New Netscape Mail Today! Virtually Spam-Free | More Storage | Import Your Contact List http://mail.netscape.com

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ibm bookmanager (.boo) files?

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

I have a ibm manual in bookmanager format (it's a .boo file). Would anyone happen to have the software to import this, then put it back out as pdf (preferred) or some other format that I can print from cover to cover? If so, please contact me off list. I googled for this and found some leads, but none of them still had the reader software available for download. Thanks! Jay West

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ADDS Mentor 2000 - Got it to boot!

by dave06a＠dunfield.com

Hi Guys, Got the ADDS mentor 2000 to boot today. I have two small books which came with the system: MENTOR Introduction MENTOR Installation Giude M2000/M2500 Fortunately the installation guide has the pinouts for the serial ports and some basic information about the startup monitor. On power-up, on Port#0 I get: ADDS Mentor Diagnostic Assurance Monitor Release 1.2 Copyright 1984 ... (The following tests take about 15 MINITES to complete): EPIC Test passed RAM test Card 0000 Bank 0001-0003 (several times) Passed PATSI Test passed Disk Test Drive 0000 Track 0000-(approx 1300 hex) Passed Tape Test - Tape drive not ready - Passed 9 Comm lines 512k Core OPTIONS [X,F,NX]= Entering 'X' gets me: Spooler Started Linking workspace for process 0 < Welcome to ADDS Mentor > <00:00:12 Release 2.4 Rev(8) 23 SEP 1988> Time=(enter time here) Date=(enter date here) Did you just reload OS from tape? (Entered NO) ADDS Mentor (mumble) ... Login? >From the Install Guide I determine that the username SYSPROG is the "superuser", and the system does recognize this name and prompts for a password (it does not prompt for passwords to names it does not know) - unfortunately I have no idea what the password might be... On the inside of the drive cover, I found a handwritten label with two usernames and passwords - one of them is either no longer valid, or I can't decypher it (hard to read writing), however I was able to figure out what the other one was, and successfully logged in to the system. Unfortunately this username comes up with a little menu system offering various business system options, and I could not figure out how to get to a command shell. (Entering BREAK locked up the system - 20 mins to reboot!). Some questions: 1) Does anyone know of a way to bypass the SYSPROG password? 2) Is there any way to make the system boot without waiting for the power-on tests to complete. I can get to the monitor command prompt, and I can run various tests from there, but I have not found a way to boot the system other than to power-off, power-on and wait for the tests to complete. [One good thing I did find in the docs, was the command to shutdown/park the drive properly from the monitor - useful since I can't get to a command prompt - According to the docs I need to be logged in as SYSPROG to SHUTDOWN] 3) Anyone know exactly what type of tapes this machines uses (If I take it apart and get the drive model number, this might give us a clue). I found a function in the monitor which apparently backs up the hard drive to tape ... 4) Anyone know of a way to "break out" of a program launched at login to a command shell (the docs says it's called TCL for Terminal Command Language). 5) Anyone know what the "F" or "NX" commands do in response to OPTIONS [X,F,NX]= Do any of these options let me reinit the system, reset the SYSPROG password ? 6) If I answer "Yes" to "Did you just reload from tape", what exactly will this do? ... Will it let me re-init the system/reset the SYSPROG password? 6) Any other info, esp. about the "Diagnostic Assurance Monitor" commands etc. Would be most useful... ? Regards, Dave PS: The TRS-80 Model II that I picked up along with it works too! -- dave06a (at) Dave Dunfield dunfield (dot) Firmware development services & tools: www.dunfield.com com Collector of vintage computing equipment: http://www.parse.com/~ddunfield/museum/index.html

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Another great Craters & Freighters experience

by legalize＠xmission.com

Being such a freak about serial terminals and graphics made it impossible for me to resist this lot at DoveBid's Telogy #5 auction: <http://www.dovebid.com/assets/display.asp?ItemID=tbd181825> (4) Tektronix 4105A color graphics terminals (6) Tektronix 9200T color display terminals (8) Tektronix 9201T color display terminals (1) PEP301 16 MHz System Controller Estimated weight: 1,000 lbs. (I also picked up a Tektronix 4041 System Controller and a couple Random Colleague VT102 laptops. The 4041 came in its original box!) So I needed to get the items picked up from Telogy, packed up for shipment and sent from SF Bay Area, CA to Salt Lake City, UT. Based on my experience with C&F for my Megatek Whizzard 1645, I decided to use them again since they partnered with dovebid. I opted for slightly more expensive (~12% additional) packing where each unit was packed in its own box and these were paletted and freight shipped. The result was two pallets delivered to my house (no loading dock). The nice thing is that every unit is now properly boxed for safe UPS style shipping, making it easy for me to sell & ship some of the duplicates to defray the shipping costs. I could have opted for the "cardboard crate" style of packing which would load units on top of each other separated by cushioning. I think I prefer the individually boxed option for safety as well as for the convenience of resale. I've been watching ebay for a while and these 4105 terminals haven't shown up there at all. I know they are in the 3rd party reseller channel, but they always want like $500 a piece for them. The 9200T and 9201Ts are beasts I haven't ever heard of before, but I'm willing to bet that they are really something like 4105As under the covers. I haven't decided what I'm going to piece out yet, but if you have an interest in any of the terminals or the PEP301, email me off list. There's a very good chance that these have their manuals with them, I only *just* received delivery and I'm still hauling boxes into my basement and haven't inventoried everything yet :-). All in all I'm very happy with the shipping services provided by Craters & Freighters and I would recommend them to anyone who is bidding on remote items through the net and needs a comprehensive pickup, pack up and ship out service. My only relationship with them is as a satisfied customer! <http://www.cratersandfreighters.com> -- "The Direct3D Graphics Pipeline"-- code samples, sample chapter, FAQ: <http://www.xmission.com/~legalize/book/> Pilgrimage: Utah's annual demoparty <http://pilgrimage.scene.org>

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HP 1000 cmoputer (parts maybe)

by jwstephens＠msm.umr.edu

I finally got a few photos of the HP 1000 that I bought a couple of months ago. any opinions on what I have, and what steps should be taken before trying to do anything with it? It appeared to have had a Tandberg tape drive attached at some time. the cables connected to the back of each card have all been cut by the scrapper that had it before I did. There sounds to be at least one small part (screw, nut, broken plastic) rattling around inside the front area, so it will have to be opened no matter what. There was an empty slot a the top of this, so I may be out anything useful, it may be a junk spare cage with a bunch of I/O if I had to guess. At least I didn't out a lot for it. I have to admit I was seduced by the switches and lights that appeared to be on the front panel, and an obvious need to fill some space in my pile with something. It appears to have a battery pack that was the rear panel. Due to the construction, I wonder if it was added by a system integrator. thanks Jim http://jwstephens.com/hp-1000/page_01.htm

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M4 9914 Manuals

by glen.slick＠gmail.com

Does anyone have M4 9914 9-track tape drive manuals? This came up back in January. Maybe someone found some since then. The M4 Data website is now useless and I don't see any manuals on Bitsavers. I did manage to grab these two .PDF manuals from the M4 Data website quite a while ago. If someone wants to post these somewhere, tell me where to send them: 124658 SUPER SCSI INTERFACE USER MANUAL (350KB) 123477/CM1077 USER/DIAGNOSTIC MANUAL (425KB) Apparently these other manuals were available. If anyone has these I'd like to get a copy of the Pertec and regular SCSI manuals. 116293 9914 Tape Unit Product Specification (sets out the features and capabilities of the 9914) 121780 SCSI User Manual (describes the command set and options) 121789 Cached Pertec Interface Product Description (describes the features, control and capabilities of the buffer) 123477 9914 Tape Unit Servicing Manual (CM 1078) (provides fault-finding suggestions, configuration change details, diagnostic program listings, and servicing procedures)

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DECserver 200MC circuit diagram

by jim＠g1jbg.co.uk

Hi, does anyone have a circuit diagram for a DECserver 200MC, or at least the power supply? I have one with a very dead PSU....... Regards Jim. Please see our website: www.g1jbg.co.uk

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HP 2397A color terminal manuals?

by steerex＠mindspring.com

I have the: "HP23973 / HP2397A Graphics Terminals User's and Reference Manuals. It includes 02397-90001 & 2397-90002 and is about 2 1/2 inches thick. It is in the original HP binder and is in EXCELLENT condition. You can have it for $10.00 plus shipping from North Carolina. If you're interested, contact me off list at: steerex[at]mindspring[dot]com See ya. SteveRob ---------- From: Richard Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2006 9:42 AM To: cctalk at classiccmp.org Subject: HP 2397A color terminal manuals? BitSavers doesn't have it and neither does the HP museum. Anyone got a manual set for the HP 2397A color terminal? Documentation Supplied: HP 2397A User's Manual (02397-90001) HP 2397A Reference Manual (02397-90002) Documentation Available: HP 2397A Service Manual (02393-90003) -- "The Direct3D Graphics Pipeline"-- code samples, sample chapter, FAQ: <http://www.xmission.com/~legalize/book/> Pilgrimage: Utah's annual demoparty <http://pilgrimage.scene.org>

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Govliquidation paper tape punch

by James＠jdfogg.com

> Does anyone out there know what these paper tape punches were > used with? Or who made them? > > http://cgi.govliquidation.com/auction/view?id=844666 > > Bob Same or similar model was used with COM systems and fiche cameras. This made something like an aperture card where indexing info was on a punched header that was glued to the fiche. .gov was big into indexed fiche systems, it may have come from such an environment.

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Govliquidation paper tape punch

by aek＠bitsavers.org

> Does anyone out there know what these paper tape punches > were used with? Or who made them? Tally P-120 http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/tally/SO_P-120_P-120_InstrMan_Nov66.pdf

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Govliquidation paper tape punch

by bobalan＠sbcglobal.net

Does anyone out there know what these paper tape punches were used with? Or who made them? http://cgi.govliquidation.com/auction/view?id=844666 Bob

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On Topic! kind of: Scots found first cybercafe in 1751

by spectre＠floodgap.com

This definitely meets the 10-year rule, as we now have proof that the Scots created the world's first cybercafe in 1751, centuries before Al Gore invented the Internet. http://www.theregister.com/2006/04/21/world_first_cybercafe/ -- --------------------------------- personal: http://www.armory.com/~spectre/ --- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckaiser at floodgap.com -- Two can live as cheaply as one, for half as long. --------------------------

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Portable Commodore 64

by williams.dan＠gmail.com

I found one of these on ebay (8278074346). I have never seen or heard of it before, does anyone here have one ? Dan

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HP 1000 new arrivals

by rborsuk＠colourfull.com

What timing! Funny there should be a thread about HP 1000 series. I just received my two today. Here they are: http://homepage.mac.com/irisworld/PhotoAlbum1.html F series. You can also see a pic of my Data General Desktop Generation I just got in. Rob ps. Thanks for all the great advice on HP 1000's. I know I'm going to be doing a couple of things before I power them up.

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RA60P -- hard to find?

by legalize＠xmission.com

There are 137 of them NOS on govliquidation.... -- "The Direct3D Graphics Pipeline"-- code samples, sample chapter, FAQ: <http://www.xmission.com/~legalize/book/> Pilgrimage: Utah's annual demoparty <http://pilgrimage.scene.org>

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IBM Bus & Tag channel protocol specs?

by pat＠computer-refuge.org

It looks like I'm acquiring more bus and tag (s/3x0 parallel channel) interface peripherals, and got to thinking... it'd be fairly neat if I could hook a peripheral up to something, like say, a PC, and get it to talk to Hercules. It's not terribly difficult to find a cable pinout, but I haven't yet been able to find a description of the protocol used on the channel cables (or even what voltage spec, etc, they have). Does anyone have a copy of this they could make available? Or, is it already available somewhere that my searching hasn't found? If I had lots (more) spare time, I might think about reverse engineering something, but I'd rather start with a spec of what things are supposed to look like. Pat -- Purdue University ITAP/RCAC --- http://www.rcac.purdue.edu/ The Computer Refuge --- http://computer-refuge.org

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Dueling HP's: 1350A vs 1351A

by legalize＠xmission.com

What is the difference between these two? HP 1350A graphics translator HP 1351A graphics generator The 1350A has a product page on hpmuseum.net, but the 1351A has some docs there that seem to describe the same product. However, one is a "translator" and the other is a "generator". Can anyone tell me how they are different? -- "The Direct3D Graphics Pipeline"-- code samples, sample chapter, FAQ: <http://www.xmission.com/~legalize/book/> Pilgrimage: Utah's annual demoparty <http://pilgrimage.scene.org>

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cctalk Digest, Vol 32, Issue 38

by ssj152＠charter.net

Lyle, 1) I would appreciate it if you do NOT post ON-LIST any of the contents of any private email I have sent to you, no matter how harmless you deem the content. It simply is not appropriate. If I want it posted, I will start the conversation that way or respond to an on-list message. FWI - I sent it directly to you so spare you of any possible adverse response being shown on-line, not that I thought there would be any. 2) I also offered to assist you in this project. Look through the initial responses to your post announcing the availability of these items. As I recall, several people offered to help. 3) The effort you are making to regenerate the sources of TSX-Plus is admirable. It is quite some job to be a one-man project leader, architect, and primary worker - plus work full time and have an actual life. I know >from personal experience in a "former" life. 4) Why is it necessary to rebuild TSX-Plus from source before you can share it with hobbyists? Are the binaries non-existent or not usable? If I understood the scope of the problem, perhaps I (and others?) would be more supportive. Please don't misunderstand - resurrecting TSX-Plus and utilities is a neat thing to do, but how does it fit in with your earlier announcement? Stuart J ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 07:20:36 -0700 From: Lyle Bickley <lbickley at bickleywest.com> Subject: Re: TSX sources, distribution, etc. To: "Stuart Johnson" <ssj152 at charter.net> Cc: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <200604190720.36844.lbickley at bickleywest.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Stuart, On Tuesday 18 April 2006 22:08, you wrote: > It has been many months since you promised to release the TSX archives. How > about sending or putting online for download exactly what you received? > Isn't that what you told the author at S&H what you were going to do? The source listings are already up on bitsavers - and one of my DCL (DEC Computer Lunch) buddies here in SV has written a special OCR program that is scanning the listings to re-create the original MACRO sources of TSX. So there's plenty going on (no commitments on that totally happening, timing, etc.). > This is ridiculous. Should I approach S&H myself, on behalf of all of the > other interested parties? "Ridiculous" is in the mind of the beholder. Yes, I could have taken the time to put up the TSX website as opposed to obtaining every RL02 pack and SMD drive I could from S&H, preserving the contents, etc. But I figured that "exercise", which took weeks of my time was more important than "releasing" TSX code. I'm required under my agreement with S&H to have a website where I can "log" and "verify" to a reasonable extent that only hobbiests will be downloading the system, etc. I am committed to getting TSX into the hands of the "folks" - but I estimate that it will take a week or so of my time - contiguous - to do it. That hasn't happened yet - but I promise it will. Regards, Lyle -- Lyle Bickley Bickley Consulting West Inc. Mountain View, CA http://bickleywest.com "Black holes are where God is dividing by zero"

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cctalk Digest, Vol 32, Issue 38

by aek＠bitsavers.org

> I would appreciate it if you do NOT post ON-LIST any of the contents of > any private email I have sent to you The message Lyle was repsonding to was sent to the ENTIRE LIST before he replied. > FWI - I sent it > directly to you so spare you of any possible adverse response being shown > on-line I doubt he received any. What exactly is YOUR concern about all of this such that YOU planned to contact S&H directly?

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DEC M3134-PA DS500 module

by Useddec＠aol.com

The M3134 is a DEC board and your description sounds right. The -PA just indicates "S box" handles. Paul

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1350 vs 1351

by bobalan＠sbcglobal.net

I have both the 1350A and 1351A. The main difference is the 1351A has more memory, 8000 vectors VS 2000 vectors, and 64 files VS 32 files. Also, My 1350A only address 1000 x1000 resolution and the 1351A 1020 X 1020 points. Bob Message: 2 Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 16:27:38 -0600 From: Richard <legalize at xmission.com> Subject: Re: Dueling HP's: 1350A vs 1351A To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <E1FWL98-0008SI-00 at xmission.xmission.com> In article <m1FWKFW-000IxzC at p850ug1>, ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell) writes: >> I only have the HP1350, but I can describe that and hopefully somebody >> else can describe the 1351 and we can figure out the differences. > >

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KM11 replica

by ggs＠shiresoft.com

Hi, Just to keep everyone updated, I've received the corrected overlays. So any overlays that are now ordered will come with the correct overlays. Those who've received overlays previously will get replacements (free/no shipping). I also have 3 new overlays as well. An overlay for using the KM11 with an RX01 and a pair of overlays for the RK11-C. The website (www.shiresoft.com/products) has been updated to reflect the availability of the new overlays and the pricing. Thanks. -- TTFN - Guy

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RainbowIDE 1.0 Available

by zmerch-cctalk＠30below.com

Ohmygosh - On-Topic Commercial Plug Follows! If you can't handle ontopic stuff, or commercial stuff, look away now! ;-) Anyway, I offered to put a post on the cctalk list for Roger Taylor to let people know that he's released a new Integrated Development Environment called RainbowIDE that allows you to create new, exciting programs for many different classic machines out there. If there's a cross-assembler that runs on Windows for that processor, and M.E.S.S. can emulate the machine, then this is the rascal for you. I haven't had a chance to test RainbowIDE yet, but I have used it's predecessor - Portal-9, which is great for coding for the Tandy CoCo and/or Vectrex machines which are 6809-based. It's slicker than oil on water.[1] This new IDE can handle 6502, 6800/6809, Z80 and other CPUs, and you can assemble your code, spark up M.E.S.S, mount your virtual floppies and/or ROMs, and test them all with a single mouseclick. Yes, this does run on Winders, but it's designed for coding new proggies for classic machines (mostly 8-bit, but there might be some 16-bitters possible as well)... go check 'er out. http://www.rainbowide.com/ Laterz, Roger "Merch" Merchberger [1] My affiliation with Roger Taylor are solely as a very satisfied customer, and we have the same first name. I'm *way* too ugly to be a "compensated endorser." ;-) -- Roger "Merch" Merchberger | A new truth in advertising slogan SysAdmin, Iceberg Computers | for MicroSoft: "We're not the oxy... zmerch at 30below.com | ...in oxymoron!"

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earliest graphics display system in your collection?

by compoobah＠valleyimplants.com

>For instance, some of the late 80's / early 90's hardware from the likes of >SGI are pretty impressive in abilities and architecture - using concepts that >have only hit the mainstream in the last few years - but of course they're by >no means 'earliest'... What about mid-80's SGI? I have an '86 vintage system with 12x geometry engines and 32 bitplanes - granted it's not Skywriter/VGXT or Reality Engine, but compared with other graphics from the time it's pretty hot. I fear that it doesn't have a Z-buffer, though (not completely sure yet).

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HP 87XM available in West Sussex, UK

by flo＠uk.thalesgroup.com

I've just pulled a working Hewlett-Packard 87XM out of some test equipment at work. It has the following bits with it: 82939A Opt. 001 Serial Interface 82936A ROM Drawer with 00087-15003 Rev. A I/O ROM 82909A 128K Memory Module 82901M Flexible Disc Drive (2 x 5?" drives) No manuals, no software. Take the whole thing, pick-up only from Crawley. I don't care about timescales. Reply to paul at frixxon.co.uk

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RL02 problem

by henk.gooijen＠oce.com

Boot the system to RT11 and put the cartridge that will not boot in the second drive (assuming DL1:). Do a .DIR RT11* You will see RT11FB.SYS, RT11SJ.SYS and probably RT11XM.SYS. They are the monitors. Choose the one you want and do .COPY/SYS DL1:RT11FB.SYS . (exactly like this, the final dot belows to the comnmand). That will write the monitor to the boot block(s). - Henk. > -----Original Message----- > From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org > [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Ethan Dicks > Sent: donderdag 20 april 2006 7:39 > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > Subject: Re: RL02 problem > > On 4/20/06, Jim Beacon <jim at g1jbg.co.uk> wrote: > > After rebuilding the machine back into its new box, it all > worked. A > > little more investigation shows that I can still read the > faulty pack > > (installed in the second drive), but that the boot > information is either corrupt or gone. > . > . > . > > Now for the question: can I restore the boot information, or will I > > have to re-initialise the pack and start again? (not a problem - it > > was my games pack with the extended monitor, but I can > restore it from > > a backup, if needed). > > Should be easy enough, but for the life of me, I can't remember the > RT-11 command to write the boot block. I used to do it all > the time with 2.9BSD and dd... the normal distro contained a > dir of boot block source code for various controllers. All > you had to do was compile the assembly into an executable, > then dd it to the front of the drive. > If you have a way to mount that pack in a UNIX machine, you > could use dd to transfer the first block from another pack > onto it - that should do the trick. With 100% RT-11, though, > there should still be an easy way to do it (but I haven't > really used RT-11 on a daily basis since 1989). > > > I will take all of the comments of "idiot" with good grace....... > > No need... this sort of thing used to happen back in the day > with an amazing regularity. > > -ethan > > This message and attachment(s) are intended solely for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged, confidential or otherwise exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient or agent thereof responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by telephone and with a "reply" message. Thank you for your cooperation.

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IBM Bus & Tag channel protocol specs?

by brian＠quarterbyte.com

Hi Patrick, This is a pet project of mine too. Let's talk. I have done some work on this & would like to see it move forward. Having someone to work with would be great. The spec is called the I/O Interface Channel to Control Unit Original Equipment Manufacturer's Information (OEMI) and it's available online for free and in hardcopy for a nominal fee >from IBM. Search for document GA22-6974 at www.elink.ibmlink.ibm.com/public/applications/publications/cgibin/pbi. cgi?CTY=US Also, there is a yahoo group for people interested in hanging hardware on Hercules, called ibm-legacy-hercules Brian =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- _| _| _| Brian Knittel _| _| _| Quarterbyte Systems, Inc. _| _| _| Tel: 1-510-559-7930 _| _| _| Fax: 1-510-525-6889 _| _| _| Email: brian at quarterbyte.com _| _| _| http://www.quarterbyte.com

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RL02 problem

by jim＠g1jbg.co.uk

Hi, last week, my PDP11/23+ was rebuilt into a new chassis (went from OEM 19" box to a proper 11/23+ chassis), and after the rebuild failed to work :( My first suspect was the new chassis, so it went back into the old box - still no boot. After trying each of the RL02s in turn, and even a different controller, I still couldn't get the machine to boot. After a little head scratching, I tried an alternate disk pack (still RT11), and the machine booted. After rebuilding the machine back into its new box, it all worked. A little more investigation shows that I can still read the faulty pack (installed in the second drive), but that the boot information is either corrupt or gone. Now for the question: can I restore the boot information, or will I have to re-initialise the pack and start again? (not a problem - it was my games pack with the extended monitor, but I can restore it from a backup, if needed). I will take all of the comments of "idiot" with good grace....... Thanks Jim. Please see our website: www.g1jbg.co.uk

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Thanks to all: 8820 now working

by Arno_1983＠gmx.de

Sat, 15 Apr 2006, "Bruce Lane" <kyrrin at bluefeathertech.com> wrote: > My thanks to all who offered assistance on my issues with the 'tech > special' Trak Systems 8820 GPS station clock. The unit was successfully > repaired, and has been working for nearly a full week without any > further signs of problems. > > For the curious: The problem turned out to be that one of the > firmware EPROMs developed a broken internal bond wire on the output- > enable lead. This caused the chip to appear completely blank to both the > Unisite programmer and the Trak device. My contact at Trak was kind > enough to send over image files to do a fresh set of EPROMs. > > The only other adjustment I found myself making was a fine-tune > alignment on the 10MHz ovenized oscillator, to bring its center > frequency back to a point where the reference circuitry could discipline > it down to full accuracy. That was also accomplished without incident, > and I now have a second Stratum-1 level clock and frequency standard for > my lab. > > The moral of the story: EPROMs can fail too! Just not in the way we > might expect. ;-) Congratulations to getting this thing back into functional state. I wish you a good time and many years of satisfying operation for your device. Incidentally, I've been having a bit of fun with a MEINBERG GPS166 Satellite Controlled Clock lately - it had been set aside as defective at the computing center of Erlangen University and I happened to get it for the asking, together with its bullet-shaped "radome" antenna/amplifier. When I finally built myself a coaxial cable to connect the two (SMA <-> N-Type), I had a working setup! But after a relocation a bit later, I got some smelly smoke and an "antenna fault" error when I powered it on. Turned out to be a small cylindrical choke in the shielded RF box which had gone open circuit - possibly involved with supplying power to the antenna amplifier. I checked the coaxial cable for shorts, couldn't find one at that time, replaced the choke and had the next one burn through. I disassembled and reassembled the N connector very carefully, replaced the choke once again and have been operating the clock without problems since then. It too can give out fixed and adjustable frequency pulses - along with second and minute signals, which you could amplify adequately to drive daughter clocks like that falling-leaf wall clock I have (needs a 24V pulse every minute). The special plus of the unit I have is the so-called "Erlangener Firmware" which was custom-written for Erlangen University. The usual variety only used the serial port for giving the time - either in intervals, when a ? was entered or when a pulse occurred on a logic input - but this one also puts out the geographical location, so one could even use it for a navigation system, in theory at least. So long, -- Arno Kletzander Stud. Hilfskraft Informatik Sammlung Erlangen www.iser.uni-erlangen.de Echte DSL-Flatrate dauerhaft f?r 0,- Euro*! "Feel free" mit GMX DSL! http://www.gmx.net/de/go/dsl

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