- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by mtapley＠swri.edu

At 12:01 -0500 6/24/06, Scott Quinn wrote: >I have a Umax Astra 2400 and a HP ScanJet 6100c, both SCSI. I'm not >sure which one to keep. Hm. Our most recent computer purchase was a used HP6100c. No complaints with it so far; it seems to run just fine with our OS9 Powerbook 3400s. So for selfish reasons, I'd vote you keep that one so that you can supply hints on how to maintain, interface, etc. it that I'll pick up on the list. :-). I probably still have the URL from which I grabbed the driver software - it was on the HP site but not trivial to find. But I'm ignorant wrt the Umax, so I can't compare their values. -- - Mark Cell Phone: 210-379-4635 office: 210-522-6025

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Top Posting and Message Trimming

by marvin＠rain.org

Top posting makes sense in a number of instances, and just because something is the "norm" does not make it appropriate in all cases. When responding to a number of issues in a single post, top posting may be considered dumb, but when basically responding to one issue, top posting is appropriate. Top posting does NOT foul up the order people normally read text since prior messages have all the details and makes it far easier to follow the flow of an online conversation. If someone has a faulty memory, then the memory joggers can be found in the text below the post. I get far more annoyed at: 1) long posts with one liners inserted someplace. 2) not trimming out parts of a message not being responded to. 3) not changing the subject line to reflect the content. 4) not putting a space between the portion of the message being responded to, and the comments. The whole object of posting is communication, and the form used should be in a manner best suited to promote that communication. > From: David Griffith <dgriffi at cs.csubak.edu> > I'm not an old fart and I consider top posting a Rude Thing... > > A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. > Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? > A: Top-posting. > Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail?

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Looking for a paper tape reader/writer

by max＠techbites.com

Hi there - someone suggested your group might be able to help with the following: Based on the fact that my www.DIYCalculator.com <http://www.diycalculator.com/> website has a paper on the history of paper tapes and punched cards, someone just sent me an email asking if I knew where they could purchase a paper tape punch/reader with the following specs: Punching Speeds up to 75 char/sec Reading speeds up to 400 char/sec LAN Interface Power 220 VAC +- 20%, 50 +- 10 Hz The LAN interface requirement would indicate a modern product (I'm assuming that these little rascals may still occasionally be found in some "noisy" industrial settings). If not, someone suggested interfacing it to a PC and linking the PC to the LAN. But more to the point, I'd quite like one myself for nostalgia's sake (I know, I know, "nostalgia isn't what it used to be" -- these are the jokes the Muppet Show refused). But we digress ... do you have any ideas? Cheers -- Max ====================================== Clive "Max" Maxfield 495 Production Ave, Suite A Madison, Al 35758, USA Tel: +1-256-319-0257 (or 0255 or 0258) ======================================

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Xlib programming...

by julesrichardsonuk＠yahoo.co.uk

urgh, a software question :-) I need to write some X Windows code (X11R5, so it makes the ten year rule!). Nothing fancy - no GUI needed, just pixel ops on the root window. Does anyone have any pointers to good online tutorials / other resources? I think the last time I coded anything specifically for X was around the time R5 was released, so memory is rather hazy, and I don't think I've got any paper-based info here at home. cheers! Jules

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Scanner choice question

by compoobah＠valleyimplants.com

I'm trying to pare down the junkpile (cf. other recent posts), and I've come across the scanner cache. I have a Umax Astra 2400 and a HP ScanJet 6100c, both SCSI. I'm not sure which one to keep. Originally, the Umax had the (infinitely) better Macintosh interface, but the HP spoke to SGI Impressario software. Now with SANE et al (and USB on modern Macs) I don't need both. Which would be the better to keep? footnote: I got the ComputerVision manual scanned (the CV specific one, the other two were just standard SunOS manuals. I gave up after the second one started jamming in the copier.)

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Powerbook problems

by compoobah＠valleyimplants.com

> I just got an older Mac Powerbook (540c) and I'm trying to get >some basic stuff on it (Iomega ZIP, various expander programs, Netscape, >System 7.5.3, etc.) and frequently I'm getting errors from the installer >programs that there is no floating point coprocessor installed. SANE should trap these and route them to emulator routines for most programs. For the remainder, see below. I'd question your SSW installation if you're getting errors often for "standard" stuff. Mathematica and raytrace programs yes (A/UX definitely- but that won't run on a PB anyway) Netscape, StuffIt, etc. shoud not need one. 7.5.5 or (even better) 7.6.1 would be a better choice for SSW. In my dim recollection, 7.5.3 was a buggy release. 7.1 was pretty good if you wanted to go older. > OK, that's fine, but has anyone run through these traps before? >What software can I not install on a 68k Mac (68LC040) with no FPU? get SoftwareFPU and try it. Some LC040s have a bug that interferes with its operation, some do not. A quick trick to see if there should be a problem is to try to run the software on a PPC Mac - the 68k emulation is LC040 (no FPU). I'm not sure how the PB540 does the CPU - desktop Macs had them socketed, so you could drop in a full 040

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DG equipment on Government Liquidation

by ics65＠sbcglobal.net

Just wondering if anyone on the list was able to rescue the DG Eclipse and Tape Drive on Government Liquidation, I didn't want a scrapper to get it? ,George Wiegand ICS65 at SBCglobal.net

20 years, 2 months

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teletype wanted.....

by ZAmer88505＠aol.com

Hi, I have two new Philips PX 1000 handleiding for sale come with a hand book. Please let me know if you still interested. Zack

20 years, 2 months

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Powerbook problems

by rcini＠optonline.net

All: I just got an older Mac Powerbook (540c) and I'm trying to get some basic stuff on it (Iomega ZIP, various expander programs, Netscape, System 7.5.3, etc.) and frequently I'm getting errors from the installer programs that there is no floating point coprocessor installed. OK, that's fine, but has anyone run through these traps before? What software can I not install on a 68k Mac (68LC040) with no FPU? Rich Rich Cini Collector of classic computers Lead engineer, Altair32 Emulator Web site: <http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/classiccmp/> http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/classiccmp/ Web site: http://www.altair32.com/ /***************************************************/

20 years, 2 months

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Help: DEC microvax 1000 or Matrox QG-640 card

by ying6926＠ureach.com

I have a DEC microvax 1000 with Matrox QG-640 card (1985). Does anyone know what matching monitor it would work with? I tried Matrox but no luck. VGA came out around 1987. Could this be a EGA card? Does G-640 means monochrom 640 resolution? I googled internet and I see QRGB card. Analog VGA graphics card? thanks Henry

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SGI parts available

by compoobah＠valleyimplants.com

I have: a set of Personal IRIS TFLU (totally front loading unit) skins a Personal IRIS power supply a GIO-64 (Indigo2) Extreme Graphics boardset IRIS Indigo (CMNB003) drive sled, original SGI Indy R5k/XL8 Indigo2 IMPACT R10000 all in the Renton/Seattle area. Let me know if interested

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Tek 555 scope available

by compoobah＠valleyimplants.com

I have a Tek model 555 dual beam scope with 2 dual trace plugins (4 traces total). Hasn't been used in a while, needs a cleaning. Includes manual, no probes. Be nice to trade for something electronicsy or computerish, but will take other offers, since it could use a home where it would be appreciated more. Renton/Seattle area

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New (old) SGI Indigo2 and MIPSpro

by compoobah＠valleyimplants.com

Offiicially, the license does transfer with the machine, but is for a specific version (e.g. 6.2 or 4D1-2.0) Perhaps current practice has changed at SGI, but one of my machines came with a license for MIPSpro C/C++ 7.2.1, and they told me so at SGI (so it doesn't seem to expire). The problem is finding that version . . . you see more 7.3's around now.

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OT: Punctuation-starved Programming Languages

by blstuart＠bellsouth.net

> From: Sean Conner <spc at conman.org> > But that > aside, I can only think of a few that did not rely upon punctuation that > much. COBOL is one (although I don't know it well enough to say). When Grace Hopper spoke at one of the National Computer Conference Founder's Days, she mentioned some things about COBOL syntax that I thought were rather insightful. She said there are two kinds of people in the world. There are those of us who are basically mathematicians, and we like to replace words with symbols. Then there are the non-mathematicians who want to describe symbols in words. COBOL was created for the latter group. BLS

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Ebka Familiarizor 6502

by Billy.Pettit＠wdc.com

Hans Franke asked questions about this early machine 3 years ago. (Okay!!! I'm a little behind. Been going through the archives to catch up.) Hans, if you are still interested, I can help you. I knew the designer, have a lot of his other projects, such as a casette interface for the EBKA. And if I can find it in the garage, I have a virgin PCB, the color layout, the memory extension, the 1702 programmer and so on. Was a very interesting project. I had mine running before I had a KIM, though I'm not certain who was first. It was close. Roger also designed the PAIA 8700, another sadly neglected early 650X project. Billy

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TRW Flea Market Meeting

by Billy.Pettit＠wdc.com

I'm riding in with Jim Stephens to tomorrow's TRW swap meet. We plan on meeting Marvin Johnson and talk about classic computers. Would love to meet any list members or any other collectors who can make it. We will meet at Marvin's site, and maybe go to lunch after the meeting. If anyone else in the LA Basin or Orange County can make it, here is the site url: http://www.fleamarketguide.com/ca.htm#Redondo%20Beach And this is where Marvin will be parked: Each row has a letter identification, and each space is numbered. G22/G24 is in the row labeled G, and there is usually a stand selling drinks/donuts/hot dogs/etc. at the foot of row G. I'll either have a Dodge white van with a lot of paint missing or a blue Mazda van with "Schwendtner Piano" along with a drawing of a piano keyboard on the side. Since it is open from 7:00 to 11:00 AM with no sales permitted after 11:30 AM, we usually start packing up about 11 and leave about 11:15. Hope to see you there. Billy Pettit

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Versados 4.3 floppy images

by paulrsm＠buckeye-express.com

> Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 10:15:50 -0500 > From: "Al Kossow" <aek at bitsavers.org> > Subject: Versados 4.3 floppy images > IMD images for Versados 4.3 are up now under bits/Motorola on bitsavers. > The floppy in the VME/10 is 96TPI (TEAC 55F series) Can IMD recreate these DSQD 720KB diskettes using a DSHD (1.2MB) drive? If not, then I am willing to pay to have someone make these disks for me. -- Paul R. Santa-Maria Temperance, Michigan USA

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SMC crt controller. Was: PCW's 25 worst tech products of all time

by fjkraan＠xs4all.nl

cctech-request at classiccmp.org wrote: > The Tandy 2000 was a neat machine in it's own right, > > There's also the weird crt controller by SMC (and > floppy data seperator). Where are you supposed to find > replacements for those??? In the Tandy 2000 period SMC was mainly a second source for other chip manufacturers. See here: http://electrickery.xs4all.nl/comp/divcomp/doc/SMC_crg.pdf or here: http://oldcomputers.dyndns.org/public/pub/rechner/epson/~fjkraan/comp/divco… for a cross reference list. Fred Jan

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OT: Punctuation-starved Programming Languages

by dgy＠DakotaCom.Net

Yeah, this is OT -- *except* in my hope that perhaps some *vintage* language might fit the bill... Most modern programming languages rely extensively on punctuation in their syntax. Many older languages weren't quite as aggressive -- or *expressive*. Or, could shed the use of some punctuation for minor tradeoffs in programming style. E.g., an explicit statement delimiter can be "made redundant" by using an IMPLICIT delimiter (like a newline). If you accept *classic* operators represented by punctuation (e.g., infix binary operators) as intuitive special cases, it seems that many of the other operators could be done away with in procedural languages... *EXCEPT* parenthesis/brackets/braces (!) (ignoring, for the time, the lisp dialects that are obsessed with them :> ) So, the question: are (were) there any useful languages designed that did not rely heavily on punctuation in their syntax? It almost seems an inconsistency -- older languages tended to be skimpy in their syntax (e.g., short identifiers, global scope, etc.) which would suggest that punctuation exploits would be MORE valuable to them. --don

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Available: Microvax cluster (Luton, UK)

by julesrichardsonuk＠yahoo.co.uk

Just got a line on three Microvaxen available just outside Luton - afraid I don't know any more than that (specific models etc.) Any interest? Can put you in touch with the "seller" [1] if so. [1] Yes, they are free (and were working, at least before put into storage a few years ago) cheers Jules

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Available: Microvax cluster (Luton, UK)

by ying6926＠ureach.com

HI Jules I am in USA. I am interested in microvax 1000 (one type of RTVAX). regards Henry ---- On Fri, 23 Jun 2006, Jules Richardson (julesrichardsonuk at yahoo.co.uk) wrote: > > Just got a line on three Microvaxen available just outside Luton - afraid I > don't know any more than that (specific models etc.) > > Any interest? Can put you in touch with the "seller" [1] if so. > > [1] Yes, they are free (and were working, at least before put into storage a > few years ago) > > cheers > > Jules > > > >

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XXDP on TU58 emulator?

by fireflyst＠earthlink.net

So has anyone used XXDP via the TU58 emulator? I was looking at doing this as I have two serial interfaces on my 11/34 and am still evaluating disk memory solutions. I figure I might as well tool around with diags and get something done while I'm shopping for disk-ness.

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Fw: The results of your email commands

by teoz＠neo.rr.com

What is this all about? ----- Original Message ----- From: <cctech-bounces at classiccmp.org> To: <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 1:44 AM Subject: The results of your email commands > The results of your email command are provided below. Attached is your > original message. > > - Results: > Ignoring non-text/plain MIME parts > > - Unprocessed: > COEV3Ps7p6TEgLyAmYf0VyJyx7UoMbwu6iXA5AszQ2VPuvnU91QPxLvg4OUic2vwx2YglfC0FhPa > pK26u9zX6IE7YwKeWGWEYdvzR1aYUsrlOjRsqA5J2pZ4c1cStybNera8fdJFHEIMeKRsH5oA3DVi bCQ > GwtH0bT9IknNq4qMq7nWEZqQhSpwaqLJVdQl6i0wuJLt4HWQZEJq971NLpu6XQfeBmcf5a > cBez33jj3JBMpwykiYI4qzSQBHIwgTcqpXG5b3XDM8qSian9KqTJoZPdykJ1mqethnYbjOE > mjOkMhDj2paZ6kHvkMVl2EMPzIfWCtHUp6TIfjpOMZmJhdTfbzHcmFze4iIh0T6USQ3Pau6x > KjaNGQzEWaMqPvgtPsUyqE0YMtRCarwRkharooKP6S3No59V6PeD3I9FY5W2aUXWi9JA26tgK1cN 2 > RJ3bkgqXOTLaIFpLz4vwfIoVsKATYUeLOwnpIQq79OVjOhWg6fXmtUxaO52Q2mPv9pTRXrdlCpBy Fe > RmVSqIdptUecq5RjQuLjiEL2Gsbn9Yb3UwuyiSUAEnzpcbS3c69vy39WibavgKmIy2643dJXO > wgbtIEWfxJgzRPJadrL3HhAk5RXsozZ1YKY5m2jYfKy6JG1TX8Ew2amITdxLzbN1QwlmnVhpFv > zydpKFoArUO8N0mikHttMxpI54SyBQWHGBw3U15mkjMdgdmuIJhjX85tn49pj1Sfr6kX0U4BGir > > - Done. > >

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The results of your email commands

by cctech-bounces＠classiccmp.org

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The results of your email commands

by cctech-bounces＠classiccmp.org

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The results of your email commands

by cctech-bounces＠classiccmp.org

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The results of your email commands

by cctech-bounces＠classiccmp.org

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The results of your email commands

by cctech-bounces＠classiccmp.org

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The results of your email commands

by cctech-bounces＠classiccmp.org

The results of your email command are provided below. Attached is your original message. - Results: Ignoring non-text/plain MIME parts - Unprocessed: tgulbQnuZ7ycT2eRZGbaiZ8puCZ8UFVXrgDzUaYEKhvjrQ8CeA4k4JjeaFDz88oKSSDPk7JjoU9o yOoNuB3ztpyLMyYV0kaObvywnzwneCWQkyMViPFkcTIW3kk8MSBjYMZAtPYDnpscAUdlQ55Dz3GygBw IpA8k8b5muHutGjAT4oIgEeB4VuYZ3RnuET8qLQ12VqLGX2h09TxXeHf3HHUDRFIS8pEL7 IenEkzZI40IvYziGX8v8DxwKXKwVzNzkE4uyYFg8eiKeluaTrXOHqa0MaYSdbmtJZRdCsxv dSYd1GmOcu3sJhE22SWndLQIwgnjjiyhfg3CHUsccs6FVpOU5ezIkuRSrIqnoU398T0wKtbe XJcEGDzmdkXTdRzgeHezwUpGodfhCiFJWz5GorK9PbmDFTlxPKNRWyNlI0UQpDvPDNIOdDIXuZbNF 69nO0INBiuF7327pWnI54kX3I9Lu1IsdUiC0HMgFVgfGX8qjqsxlLXylJ98hgDwsTpWGbkhQNDKo60 e5LN2VaBgDT9iKEwzCceUpS4RIVENWAcuzG5uO4M1wNg7IL8TigagIn44MSopfBY3r5GhIXvk MzKTZ88QNnGxOzfNPXyR9iPKULX3MH8d8H6wCmyi6sJqFNXdmO1NsPRike8w6TfVXOdfREhxmV be6Mg2rfEDX3ShNUN0rL2GXBM2o5TU5pYJ0eZWidLWxFarzLNGbw9oINRhVcIRXwsIGLMJSvUw1 - Done.

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The results of your email commands

by cctech-bounces＠classiccmp.org

The results of your email command are provided below. Attached is your original message. - Results: Ignoring non-text/plain MIME parts - Unprocessed: YbrzqwZSLUyYxh6tK1gv0TID3q5bYADK5zgon6rzsDSJVQvUKD4MeKug4g0mGnFqCrjgv3kdqcRU PL3l4PzXxt3JZ7BQj5ldtAk8JFqpVvp4mxnAsclMFu8rbRmAIuRcXAiP3UeRcGtz08mZR40AQ5qoESe snNiEBSNymbD06vOEvDOkZvDBjEumhn41cgcU8BCBbhYxNP00MZqyryW8Rzsz3fF2VcknQ oNlfzZ5d749SiyP4g8aFyoZziBYBjNNZobSMo85YaKa1T1cBoyvu2jkF0GyiMSugqjxsBaJ PH4CYmG8w7J2FohXohthPK9mSaRZT8JZ7pOVKiIxC9bREhFtxkBus1pnuGvVKaYZPNEJ8wvb bZxGmFL2bvvLzhCbNm66Dloh37huJWOmm3mkJreW9qO8nuu6wk3iIritQnWPaXqc6UaKshNOczpTI wTSBpoBOYlDOe8dDKEiTpBdr63TIaVUBhPvRgWLXITcETq9lyfF9UuPZAwtCHTOTSGO7vWDS79cLhZ zdUHKx3QkiH8xIhWByJq2PHEnbTxe6nTt31uXW6RJY5NfI2LsSv3LLBOjRb2Tl3oGRRcZgjdp mQQE3VPc66tdJwdmRs7dumwesKZq0gVaz0YoC2nZ0JTf7qkskiL4z99XyLFKCpOpjzPKQysfWw UDxjnwNkqRDakPpOle0BcgBR91hOnZf9zEzDzC4mrMsZiQ0FRBtIC0YpVhw5hmsd4ZoCmCyMssR - Done.

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The results of your email commands

by cctech-bounces＠classiccmp.org

The results of your email command are provided below. Attached is your original message. - Results: Ignoring non-text/plain MIME parts - Unprocessed: qUhqkHcj302VAwA5NIuj5dk3KnaTa35cX8L3ChWpVhpDeZGWvqoN4S7wkk6HoHneKHPlQ3nsKy4H 5jPiWL7qwYeazgNRcgdaFP5Jx6lCDkXM1T1X32GOKkjs0b3RXjc0Oxy2dwqkL1YtXyWHFPUWQq2MZDw F3UgMBofTAI6UvQC2OEBGZivjZF1i6TRIKxbcFNIweEiF3EF6mV9U4zXPMhq9OWzoRE8sx yZtE8hOTpZijBhskOja6BGJz7JctRzpSaL9Nhd6oWyI1fi6RxlVMUu38vF6Ddo5vcPbZojO q5Dw3MEqTF0Dykn8U11QpMzLXiSNecJ98otgQVqCkkrcDZw5QowWzVbJwBqvPCnCUhutEHPv 8b3qvLN6bym6IlK8nTKvHEF6U0Yp20hyTktbGSSwUCuZSq458gI8SHA1AHTFYAwCVK4LQowg9y7Ke t51iaSsBQw7WwJ9ZqgkCZBYheRqBCYPRvSCjBgnr4PfXOoKGI7ZkRkltGYk2q7zacDItbl55XXaMjJ X8abpvUVUeOFct8bwJ3So7ZKxCkdxh1fzDmJO79rrinN1p9WtkMRbw032rrlloMMutT1bPlbR NB4KeGh1RQIhqz1ydD7ebP1q699zD6WwIEtAzczXmPb7BbuBLKQApVab1n4fR5wsBKr2WyByBE RruVltwHTEFYnlNzMQKGtwBuraVziAQ4qOLPbmJJTKxRPKZmWGlRP9DuJ82ow1F7BBpeXi8ewwh - Done.

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The results of your email commands

by cctech-bounces＠classiccmp.org

The results of your email command are provided below. Attached is your original message. - Results: Ignoring non-text/plain MIME parts - Unprocessed: vDWWl9hDVsbyfnLA03hBIDWAXbOMycOmnVbk7l0cCvG4ym3qDYNqwYQTaHSmuj1zpkHMhbsQJrQc R4lpBh4qD4j5X0JxPcfe6lanbB2mMIRvTEFLxso9ypY7ojTXUG0aCRRg3UZKveVbuYhmqxr1Bz6vQWk vXQzNDGKnLWEuOFAL1mENpmKhNQvIfOc0DYE5YJ11o7GXJK8Lj5QKz1yXX5ifAlh4PIX3f OC2xNYLZEQM6MaY2BiANzfHBacNviaXuXUCbeBgAJ26x67S6xw1Wrx9wtvaR9RLUdlMQKuL LGD434Nu3dMT8noEjSu9f27rQq5CHPy8KmEF8wgSzQ1X8unOQeC49ZZwifHrIdAa4nzdoOb0 cyGpQDQpgNPycuBc0o5pEegQ2i6fdockS4tvOLXpNrKsHmxLGn6aACz5mCgwwsaW0YsVKKnNe9Lx6 aevRm9frIMenS9cuQQBXKfVhSZFD2B60S06wVU7ir21Q2JRqKxHYMaqz0nuND9186UBpKrsIGOHEeJ 8Fln3f9TTJKw3B3aJ33ocEYltR3MeYRTTnAltg7thWjchm0xU620CnrZoKjHhbnpbRp7cD8o9 Ah888QuFM0q710ayQKG2ZsCdEQYntTHAJjXWUlXuNJEYzmLqSCSW4HdQoOXU9OcWjesSKW6qet CyB4GQfJLZgyPtU90mRyvhon4NOBpOrYoIrKcajAktt4dXzNZ3AYARPLyTpOU3dtPexUJgCOD4n - Done.

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New (old) SGI Indigo2

by chrism3667＠yahoo.com

that stuph you download off the SGI site is commonly referred to as overlays. You need the basic 6.5.? set to begin with (in totality 18 cd's). Starting posting around. I had people offering to dump it onto a hard drive I'd send them and whatnot. I found a set though. There are issues regarding licensing - there's a license attached to each machine evidently. But who really gives a damn, right? Some monitors are finicky about that signal, and the same thing has happened to me with a Sun box (Ultra 5). If you turn it off and reboot a few times, you can get it to sync up on some monitors. I'm of the persuasion it's the rise and fall times of the sync pulses or their width that could be the culprits. Probably the width - a wee bit too narrow maybe? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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Serial console problems on 11/34

by fireflyst＠earthlink.net

Sorry, I shouldn't have renamed the topic so soon. I fixed the problem - I forgot to jump pins E to M (interlock) - did that and I was able to input. -----Original Message----- >From: Tony Duell <ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk> >Sent: Jun 22, 2006 5:54 PM >To: cctalk at classiccmp.org >Subject: Re: Serial console problems on 11/34 > >> >> I get the following prompt: >> >> ###### ###### ###### ###### (where ###### is the register values) >> $ >> >> It's just that I can't respond to it. "L" for example is not echoed on the >> terminal when I press a key. > >OK, your machine is basically working. The CPU seems to be running the >console firmware, it can talk to the transmit half of the DL11. You've >also not used a straight-through RS232 cable -- the output of the PDP11 >is certainly going to the input of the terminal. > >Here's how I'd attack this problem (being a hardware hacker...) > >1) Make sure the terminal is sending something. Put a breakout box >between the terminal and the PDP and press keys. Check you get some >indication on the breakout box LEDs that the TxD line from the terminal >is changing state. > >2) Grab the printset for the DL11 and look at the output of the buffer >chip (probably a 1489) that handles the RxD line. Put a logic probe on >the output of that buffer, again prsss keys on the terminal and chack >that pin changes state (if not, suspect the buffer chip, they do fail...) > >3) Now put the logic probe on the serial input pin of the UART and again >press keys. If there are no transitions here, maybe you've forgotten the >jumper wire in the cable connector that links the output of the RS232 >receiver (or the current loop receiver) to the UART. > >4) If serial data is getting to the UART, maybe the Rx Clock is missing. >Look at the appropriate pin of the UART chip with the logic probe to >ensure it's clocking. If you have a 'scope, make sure the frequency is >right too (16 times the baud rate). > >-tony

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Serial console problems on 11/34

by fireflyst＠earthlink.net

I have, what I now know for a fact is the correct lines set up on the serial console on my 11/34. the correct signals are coming out according to my tester box. However, I cannot respond to the prompt. I started with the diagnostic on the front panel, which says if I hit CLR 173024 LAD EXA I should get 173000. I don't. I get 127777. According to the manual there is something wrong with the M9301 or the switches are set wrong, and all the switches are ON. Do you guys know of anything else that could be the case? I do get different results whether or not I hook up the faston tabs going to the front panel or not - I get 177777 if I don't hook them up at address 173024. Any help would be much appreciated, as always. Julian

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Fwd: VAX 11/780 available

by uban＠ubanproductions.com

I recieved the following email this morning from a fellow who used to run a company supporting DEC equipment. He is located in the Boston area and has always treated me right. Please contact him if you are interested... --tom Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 14:14:04 -0400 From: "Joe Moir" <ppsjm at verizon.net> Subject: VAX 11/780 To: "'Tom Uban'" <uban at ubanproductions.com> Message-id: <0J1600JAI7ZOIE56 at vms048.mailsrvcs.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000F_01C69473.C97ADCA0" Thread-index: AcaUlU/NrijqonadQnSr7IfVmptDGA== X-UIDL: 3da9a0898547fa3fceee42a38db5de09 Tom, How are you doing. We just came across a VAX 11/780 with expansion cabinet. It is deep in an old warehouse wrapped up in shrink wrap. At this point, we don?t think it is worth our time to pull it out of the warehouse, load it on our truck, and bring it back to our building. If we could cover the labor to pull it out, plus maybe make a few hunded bucks we?d consider it. Are you, or would you know anyone that is interested?? I?ve been out of touch with the vintage DEC buyers lately. I wanted to run it by you just in case you knew of anyone that was searching for such an item. I probably need to know within a week. The building that this item is in is going to be cleaned out and everything inside is to be scrapped. Thanks very much, Joe Joe Moir Peripheral Parts Support 293 Second Ave Waltham Ma 02451 781-895-4892 p 781-895-4893 f

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volker-craig VC404

by tponsford＠rnsmte.com

Hi All! Always on the lookout for any unique stuff at the local auction, I picked up a Volker-Craig VC404 (working) for $2. Googling, I found quite a few interesting tidbits, but no links to any online user or service manuals. Anybody have any pointers? TIA Tom Ponsford

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OT: Punctuation-starved Programming Languages

by dm561＠torfree.net

Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 15:33:52 -0500 From: "Jay West" <jwest at classiccmp.org> Subject: Re: OT: Punctuation-starved Programming Languages Chuck wrote... >>Back in the 60's and 70's there was a brief interest in "natural" >>programming languages that used English as a basis. The goal was to >>provide something that would be easy for an "average" person to use. Jay wrote... >Well, it wasn't a programming language, but it was a command prompt data >retrieval database language. Pick (aka Reality, Sequel, Zebra, Revelation, >Mentor, Ultimate, Prime Information yada yada yada....) did. For example, at >the command prompt, the following are valid commands and yield just what >you'd think. <LIST CUSTOMER-INVOICES WITH ORDER.AMOUNT > "50.00" >SELECT CUSTOMERS WITH ZIP = "63102" AND WITH AR.BALANCE # "0.00" >LIST CUSTOMERS NAME ADDRESS CONTACT >And of course you could store those commands in a file and even use in-line >prompting for variables, so it was kind of a programming language too. >Jay West Looks a lot like the xBase languages... mike

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NetBSD and old hardware curiosity

by jba＠sdf.lonestar.org

I installed NetBSD 2.0_RC3 on my VAXstation 3100 M38. The install was quick and easy since it was from ISO, but compiling was dog -slow. I installed the NetBSD pkgsrc collection and started the Samba install. I wanted the vax to act as a fileserver for the house. Well, the pkgsrc system installs everything by compiling from source. Three days after initiating the install (almost exactly to the hour), Samba was reported as installed. Now Samba is not a particularly large package, but it's biggish, I suppose. I can't imagine compiling the kernel or, heaven forbid, a desktop like KDE. BTW, the vax, while it does take a bit to respond to requests fom other computers, made a fantastic and highly stable file server. I think the little thing had an uptime of 150 days before I finally turned it off. Jeff Armstrong jba at sdf.lonestar.org SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org

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New (old) SGI Indigo2

by shirsch＠adelphia.net

Just picked up an Indigo2 at a swap meet. It came with no drives installed and, as a consequence, no operating system. I think it's operational since I get the nice SGI ba-ba-dink! from the speaker when powered up. SGI makes what they're calling Irix 6.5.22m available for free download. It is in (3) tarballs containing a bunch of tardist files. First question is: Is it possible to do a bare-metal install of Irix over the network using these packages? SGI manages to do a complete dance around the issue of whether this release is a maintenance ONLY (designed to drop over a previously installed system) or whether it can do a complete fresh install onto a bare hard drive. If it cannot, would someone with the 6.5 Base CD set be neighborly and contact me off-list? Second question is: The unit came with the EISA "Extreme" graphics adaptor. When I connect it to my shop monitor with a 13W3 --> HD15 cable I get absolutely no display. Are these boxes like the Suns and Alphas where they default (or can be made to default) to a serial console under initial conditions? If so, any pointers to the required null-modem wiring? (The unit has Apple-type 8-pin mini-DIN serial ports). Any sage advice appreciated! Steve --

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Wilmington, Delaware PC Professional User Group Archive Available

by billdeg＠degnanco.com

I have started an archive of the Wilmington, Delaware PC Professional User Group diskette archive. http://vintagecomputer.net/ibm/pc-pug/ I do not know who founded or managed this group in the mid 80's in Wilmington, Delaware USA but being from the area I thought I'd take on the project. The diskettes contain DOS 2-era IBM PC utilities. All that remains is a handful of the original PC-PUG diskettes. If you have more information on this group, please contact me. Bill Degnan

20 years, 2 months

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OpenStep for Solaris is back(ish)

by compoobah＠valleyimplants.com

The recent thread on NeXTSTEP for HP-PA reminded me of something I've been playing around with (as a user): Lubu OpenMagic. It's a repackage and tweak of Solaris OpenStep to run on recent Solarises (works great on 9 9/04) If you're interested it's at http://alge.anart.no/projects/openmagic/ - be sure you have GNU tar and gzip available.

20 years, 2 months

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DN10000s

by aek＠bitsavers.org

> And to bring two topics together (the other being the socket > thread and putting a socket on for future enhancements)... that > memory manager on the 3000 (or is it the 3500) that's on a > daughterboard... who knows the story behind that? If it was used with a machine having a 68020, the 68851 MMU was VERY late. They probably built their own. Should be easy to tell if the MMU has an 851 pin pattern. Apple did something similar on the Mac II to save the cost of an 851 (since the OS didn't use it) with Ron Hochsprung's "HMMU" ( a couple of PALs).

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DN10000s

by cctech＠retro.co.za

Hi guys I'm way behind and catching up on the archives. I've heard mention of an Apollo TechRef... has anyone ever seen one of these, or even better yet, has anyone introduced one to a scanner? :-) And to bring two topics together (the other being the socket thread and putting a socket on for future enhancements)... that memory manager on the 3000 (or is it the 3500) that's on a daughterboard... who knows the story behind that? Thanks W

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Got the 407 Control Panel In

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

Boy, this is one big patch board and in very good shape for sitting in a garage for over 40 years. Now if I can just find a 407 and some doc's for it. :-)

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NetBSD and old hardware curiosity; sliding off to Linux on Indy

by compoobah＠valleyimplants.com

R4600 came in two versions: one with zero (0) L2 cache, one with 512k. Were you using GCC? older versions of GCC were ghastly on RISC architectures, both in building time and running efficiency.

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New (old) SGI Indigo2

by compoobah＠valleyimplants.com

Speaking of IRIX (in a somewhat OT way), does anyone know what became of SGI's promise (when they did the V-stream) to always have available a release that supports the latest critical security patches for public download? There have been several largish security holes where the patches don't run on 6.5.22, and nothing else is accessible . . . no new support letters detailing the policy either. I know about the "software developers' M-stream access" program, and have tried to sign up 4 times - doesn't work. I'm out of addresses to use. Does anyone have MIPSPro C/C++ 7.2.1 (or 7.2 if a 7.2.1 license will work for it)?

20 years, 2 months

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3 x HP Apollo 700 series machines available (Manchester UK)

by julesrichardsonuk＠yahoo.co.uk

Just on the off-chance someone wants a boat-anchor, Manchester uni have three HP 700-series (I suspect they're all 715/33's) machines awaiting the scrapper. These are PA-RISC boxes and won't run Apollo's Domain OS, but I suppose they're nicely built and may be of interest to someone who wants a small box to play with HP-UX on. Yell if anyone wants then and I'll hand over the email address of the person to contact. On the one hand I was told to respond soon, but on the other I hear that the staff are waiting for the junk room they're in to fill up before they go to the crusher, so your guess is as good as mine as to how urgent any rescue is! Sadly it seems that all their "real" Apollo stuff has already gone; I think the last few stragglers left the building some time last year. cheers Jules

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IBM Professional Graphics Adapter

by Christian.Groessler＠aladdin.de

Hi, I have programming documentation for the PGA. I will have to scan it some time... regards, chris > -----Original Message----- > From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org > [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Chris M > Sent: Montag, 8. Mai 2006 23:33 > To: talk > Subject: IBM Professional Graphics Adapter > > I just received the first part of a shipment which > includes an IBM 5175 monitor. The PGA card and > possibly the AT box it resides in is on it's way. I > plugged the monitor into my Vermont Microsystems card > (essentially a PGA clone), and it worked like a charm. > Have yet to plug the monitor into a VGA card and > investigate that noise (the PGA card possibly has some > funky syncing scheme, like combined sync or > sync-on-green). But regardless, I'm desirous of docs > for these babies, technical or otherwise. Programming > infor-mation is of the utmost importance. Can anyone > help? > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > ********************************************************************************************** The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential. It is intended for the named recipient(s) only. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager or the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to anyone or make copies. ** eSafe scanned this email for viruses, vandals and malicious content ** ***********************************************************************************************

20 years, 2 months

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Mitsubishi Multi16

by cclist＠sydex.com

Anyone out there with one of these things? I'd like to know a little bit about the I/O device setup if you've got the information. Cheers, Chuck

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Scanning Microfiche

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

I recently noticed just how high the resolution is getting on the latest scanners. Epson has scanners various scanners in the $450-800 range that do the following resolutions 6400x6400, 6400x9600, and 4800x6400 Optical DPI. The $800 V750-M Pro seems especially suited to Microfiche as it looks like it can handle up to 8x10" film at up to 6400x9600, with the correct orientation of the fiche being scanned I think that would allow between 150-200dpi per page. It even supports Firewire as well as USB. Has anyone had the chance to see if these newer scanners can handle fiche? Zane -- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh at aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | MONK::HEALYZH (DECnet) | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ |

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Scanning Microfiche

by aek＠bitsavers.org

>> We've got about a million ICL fiches too that could benefit from >> scanning, but luckily those are just a single A4 page per fiche and so >> a little more manageable. You should be able to get very good images off of something that large. Scanning DEC fiche is a nightmare. Some is 25 x 13 frames (and NOT Computer Output to Microfilm). Total garbage even at 48x. The COM listings come out OK but there is just so MUCH (thousands of sheets) to do. Sadly, scanning from the original paper is a MUCH better source, but most of the paper was thrown out when they were converted to film.

20 years, 2 months

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FA: Cirris Signature 1000 cable Tester

by westdata＠sbcglobal.net

Could I please get a list of the adapters you have ? Is the tester in good shape ? I am in the market for a tester, but I don't want a piece of junk ! And lastly, how much ? Thank you in advance, AL

20 years, 2 months

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SBC6120 (a build-it-yourself PDP-8 clone) grammer checked

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

> >Subject: Re: SBC6120 (a build-it-yourself PDP-8 clone) grammer checked > From: woodelf <bfranchuk at jetnet.ab.ca> > Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 14:46:33 -0600 > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts <cctalk at classiccmp.org> > > I take it was tossup between a scope and good soldering iron > for the first best investment once you get off the kitchen table for > projects. The SBC6120 is good reason to get a better iron for me now. A decent workbench with power and storage I number one in my book. Lighting for it number two. Third is a good soldering iron. Around number 7 is a 'scope after a decent pair of VOM and DVM and simple logic probe. Number 6 is a quality set of handtools (cutters, needlenose, screwdrivers and the like). If I were to think on it I'd certainly put other tools and equipment before a scope. >PS. I notice most TTL projects are wire wrapped that I have seen on the >web rather than having a PCB made. > Obvious reason. Rework in the form of circuit corrections are easily done with wirewrap and can be costly and time consuming with PCB. Allison

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DG 7800 Eclipse and 9 Track (800/1600 BPI) Tape Drive

by ics65＠sbcglobal.net

Hey Folks, There's a DG 7800 Eclipse and 9 Track (800/1600 BPI) Tape Drive in a single DG rack on Govenment Liquidation.com. http://cgi.govliquidation.com/auction/view?id=900436&convertTo=USD starting at $50.00, located in Tobyhanna, PA. ,George Wiegand ICS65 at SBCglobal.net

20 years, 2 months

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Amplifier manuals

by brian＠mysteriouslyyours.com

Hi Chris, I've found an old Toa A-903 and I am looking for a manual. Do you still have one? The newer version of this amp is different. Thanks in advvance, Richard

20 years, 2 months

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Help: DEC microvax 1000 or Matrox QG-640 card

by ying6926＠ureach.com

It is microvax II. ---- On Mon, 19 Jun 2006, Zane H. Healy (healyzh at aracnet.com) wrote: > At 1:25 AM -0700 6/19/06, Henry Ji wrote: > >I have a > >DEC microvax 1000 with > > > >Matrox QG-640 card (1985). Does anyone know what matching monitor it > >would work with? I tried Matrox but no luck. VGA came out around > >1987. Could this be a EGA card? Does G-640 means monochrom 640 > >resolution? I googled internet and I see QRGB card. Analog VGA > >graphics card? > > What on earth is a MicroVAX 1000? Sounds like a very strange beast > you have there. Good luck, it's probably some sort of hi-res card. > > Zane > -- > | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | > | healyzh at aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | > | MONK::HEALYZH (DECnet) | Classic Computer Collector | > +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ > | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | > | PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. | > | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ | > >

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Infoton terminal

by aek＠bitsavers.org

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8831089153 Someone in the NE should pick this up. Early 70's terminals aren't easy to find.

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mini-cassette LDB 4401

by edwardk＠sltnet.lk

Dear Mike, I got your contact from http://classiccmp.org/pipermail/cctalk/2000-June/149096.html .I'm grateful to you if you could sell me 2 cassettes of "Philips brand, Certified Digital mini-cassette LDB 4401, made in Austria". Please find below my postal address: Edward Perera, No. 160, Colombo Road, Negombo, Sri Lanka. Please let me know your price, including postage by air mail to Sri Lanka, so that I can post you the payment in dollar notes or any other means that you prefer. Thanks & Best Regards, Edward.

20 years, 2 months

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Toner as PCB resist (perilously close to OT)

by compoobah＠valleyimplants.com

A while ago (late '80s, early '90s) I heard a suggestion for using copier toner as PCB etch resist (draw on paper, copy onto overhead transparencies, iron onto the PCB). Now that PCB layout software is available easily, as are laser printers, has anyone here tried it? I'm wondering how well it would resolve for finer-pitch DIP/SIP packages, or if the etchant would eat through the traces.

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ARM Microcontroller evaluation boards

by cclist＠sydex.com

I know that this is sort of OT, but I also know that several folks who do embedded development lurk here. I have a possible application for an embedded controller with a fair amount of RAM 128-256K and ideally, DMA capability. Originally, I considered something like an 80C188, but it seems that that's yesterday's technology and better alternatives exist. Right now, the ARM controllers look pretty good. Can anyone recommend a favorite development board that can be used for prototyping? I don't need much program memory--128K is more than adequate, but at least 128K of RAM is very important. Cheers, Chuck

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Your Help Needed with Rescue

by jkeys＠houstoncomputermuseum.org

Great News!!! The Houston Computer Museum has been give two great collections, one in GA and one in KS. We need your help to cover travel expenses (fuel and truck rentals) for these two trips to collect these items, the estimated cost $1400 for GA and $1000 for KS (was cheaper trip but more items were added). If you can send a small or large donation to help, please send your check to our address below or go to our website www.houstoncomputermuseum.org and our donation page there to use your credit card. If just 240 people sent $10 each (or whatever amount (even $1 helps)), we could add these wonderful items to our collections. Thanks for your time. John Here's a partial listing of what is being offered: KS - SEL 810A computer, Data Control Station, Interface Cabinet, Dec LA12 printer, ASR-33 (2), manuals, software paper tapes, I/O cables, spare cards, DEC PDP 11/03, DEC 11/34, PDP manuals, and other goodies. Over 2000 lbs, so I need a 16' box truck. GA - IBM 083 card sorter, IBM 552 card interpreter (2), 029 and 129 key punches, IBM patch boards, repair parts for unit record equipment, Tektronix scope, multiple SWTP systems, and other goodies. For this load I'm looking at getting a 24' box truck. Any and all help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks John Mailing address Houston Computer Museum, 15827 Thistledew Dr., Houston, TX 77082.

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Diablo part numbers?

by rtellason＠verizon.net

I snagged a big old diablo daisywheel printer here the other day, pulled the boards and mechanism out, and got rid of the case etc. right off, so there's no model number, which I probably should've written down at least :-(. Anyhow, I'm finding good numbers on the transistors and such, but a lot of the chips all have what seem to be diablo part numbers on them and not a whole lot else. Anybody know where I might be able to cross some of this stuff over to find out what it is? -- Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and ablest -- form of life in this section of space, a critter that can be killed but can't be tamed. --Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet Masters" - Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James M Dakin

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FFS: Syquest 44MB internal drive model SQ555

by TLJohnst＠Johnston-Genealogy.com

I know it's a long shot but do you still have the drive? Thanks!!

20 years, 2 months

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Versados 4.3 floppy images

by aek＠bitsavers.org

IMD images for Versados 4.3 are up now under bits/Motorola on bitsavers. The floppy in the VME/10 is 96TPI (TEAC 55F series)

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The results of your email commands

by cctech-bounces＠classiccmp.org

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The results of your email commands

by cctech-bounces＠classiccmp.org

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The results of your email commands

by cctech-bounces＠classiccmp.org

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The results of your email commands

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The results of your email commands

by cctech-bounces＠classiccmp.org

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Free Stuff (and one more)

by compoobah＠valleyimplants.com

In the off chance that someone might be able to use them, I have: 1 print head and carriage assembly 1 tractor assembly 1 drive rack (the gear type) for the printhead carriage all from a Okidata Microline 24-pin narrow-carriage printer. Also a Dell Latitude CPx LCD panel with a slightly torn connector pigtail. Personal IRIS TFLU skins - complete and a PI power supply. All in Renton, WA, but shipping should not be difficult, except perhaps for the skins. Big but light. Aha- a post-script: And The Big Boy: a Tektronix model 555 dual-beam oscilloscope, with twin dual-channel plugins (total of 4 traces!). Haven't used it in a while, so it needs a once-over before being plugged in. 110 Lbs for P/S and scope. Includes manual. No probes. It would be nice to get some sort of a trade for this.

20 years, 2 months

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Need help with two big Rescues

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

Great News!!! The Houston Computer Museum has been give two great collections, one in GA and one in KS. We need your help to cover travel expenses (fuel and truck rentals) for these two trips to collect these items, the estimated cost $1400 for GA and $1000 for KS (was cheaper trip but more items were added). If you can send a small or large donation to help, please send your check to our address below or go to our website www.houstoncomputermuseum.org and our donation page there to use your credit card. If just 2,400 people sent us one dollar each, we could add these wonderful items to our collections. Here's a partial listing of what is being offered: KS - SEL 810A computer, Data Control Station, Interface Cabinet, Dec LA12 printer, ASR-33 (2), manuals, software paper tapes, I/O cables, spare cards, DEC PDP 11/03, DEC 11/34, PDP manuals, and other goodies. Over 2000 lbs, so I need a 16' box truck. GA - IBM 083 card sorter, IBM 552 card interpreter (2), 029 and 129 key punches, IBM patch boards, repair parts for unit record equipment, Tektronix scope, multiple SWTP systems, and other goodies. For this load I'm looking at getting a 24' box truck. Any and all help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks John Mailing address Houston Computer Museum, 15827 Thistledew Dr., Houston, TX 77082.

20 years, 2 months

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Benchmark Modula-2

by Mark.Wickens＠valtech.co.uk

Hi All, Does anyone have a copy of Benchmark Modula-2 for the Amiga, originally published by Avante Garde software they could let me have? I've recently aquired an Amiga 1200 and it would be nice to use it again (from a hard disk rather than dual floppies this time!) My media has been lost in the ebbs of time, but I still have the original manual (what a fantastic one at that) and if necessary can therefore prove that a bought a copy many years ago. Is there anyone out there still using Modula-2 (or Oberon) for anything? Regards, Mark Wickens mark.wickens at valtech.co.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- DISCLAIMER: This e-mail contains Proprietary information some or all of which may be legally privileged. It is for the intended recipient only. If an addressing or transmission error has misdirected this e-mail, please notify the author by replying to this e-mail. If you are not the intended recipient you must not disclose, distribute, copy, print or rely on this e-mail. All information contained within this e-mail is subject to the Terms & Conditions of Valtech Ltd. which are available upon request. Valtech Limited: registered in England and Wales with registration number 03127414. Registered address: 120 Aldersgate Street London EC1A 4JQ

20 years, 2 months

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VOMs (WAS Re: SBC6120 (a build-it-yourself PDP-8 clone)

by compoobah＠valleyimplants.com

>sounds nice >but what is a "solid state vacuum tube" volt meter ??? > >I think it works like this--you take a 12AX7, and, using a diamond file, >carefully cut the tip off. Fill it with a good polyester resin and glue >the tip back on. Absolutely solid! Put that in your Eico! O.K. - enough already. I was in elementary school at the time. I thought I remembered them being called FETVOMs, but I figured everyone knew what a VTVM was, and since I was only pretty sure that they had FETs as their active component (it's the only type that makes sense, though), I called them "solid state VTVMs" so yes, I made that up - but I thought it would be descriptive.

20 years, 2 months

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OT-ish: Build-it stuff

by marvin＠rain.org

Another interesting publication for (ham) builders here in the US is QEX (published by the ARRL.) I have no idea how well known it is (I just happened to run across a copy at the ARRL table at the TRW swap meet) but I was impressed that it had some fairly technical stuff for builders that was more than some flashing LEDs. > two or three like you said. But that is still more than we have here. Nuts > and Volts is it and it is pretty basic. > > > > Billy >

20 years, 2 months

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OT-ish: Build-it stuff

by Billy.Pettit＠wdc.com

Tony Duell wrote: It must be really dire in the States, becasue your comments don't seem to apply to the UK that I live in. 10 years ago, we had a number of Maplin shops around the country. All they really sold were components and kits. Many a time when I was doing my Ph.D in Bristol, I'd take the bus up the Gloucester road to get some components I needed for my work. Maplin still exist, but they now sell mostly crap consumer electronics. There is a small selection of components in the catalogue, but very few of them are kept in the shops. You have to special-order them. Yes we have RS and Farnell, but they're effectively mail order only. It's not a problem to have to mail-order the main components for a project (microcontrollers, memroy, power transformers, etc). It's a right pain when you're half way through a design and find you've run out of 10k resistors :-) I live in London. In the entire London area (which I define as the bus pass zone, and is a lot larger than most people think of as London), I know of _one_ shop where I can pop in to get resistors, etc. To be fair they have a good selection of common semiconductors too, but such places are not at all common. The SU EMC directives, mis-applied by our glorious government, have effectively killed off the small kit market in the UK too. And magazines. 20 years ago there were many titles. Now I can think of 2 (Elektor and Everyday/Practical Electronics). One thing that's not helped are that ICs now come in hacker-unfriendly pacakges, and may require expensice programming software and hardware to do anything with. I can see why, I don't expect semiconductor manufacturers to cater for a very small market, but you know, it's a lot easier for the average home constructor to hand-wire 100 TTL chips in DIL pacakges than to do battle with a DGA packaed FPGA... -tony ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Billy: Yes, things really suck in the US. I hit the shops around Silicon Valley and Orange County. It is a sad mix, except for one or two shops left - Weird Stuff and Halted. Nothing like ten years ago. I was in Boston in April and out on 128 and found nothing. That used to be a great place for computers and electronics. I'm probably showing my age, but when I lived in London, there were lots of nice little shops along the Edgeware Road. Another bunch were close to Paddington. I looked for them a couple of years ago and only found one open. Then were some more up near Buck and Ryan's, my number one stop whenever I go into London. What is the one place left in London? I go in to London from Colechester a few times a year. Would love to find a source of small lots. Maplin used to have a nice store in Southend, but honestly, I haven't been in it for ten years. Magazines are pretty much as you describe. I used to be able to pick up 8 or 10 different ones a month, with Wireless World being supreme. Now it's two or three like you said. But that is still more than we have here. Nuts and Volts is it and it is pretty basic. Billy

20 years, 2 months

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display scope options

by djg＠pdp8.net

> What options would I have for some kind of display scope for my PDP-8/e? > I have a VC8/I-like point plot controller that I built last spring and I > want a display for it. > The manuals I have list the Tek 602 (shows up on ebay cheap), Tek RM503 along with the DEC VR14. The 602 is a smallish scope size screen XYZ monitor. The 602 needs some components changed to use it (resistors and capacitors). If you need the info email me. Tek made a bunch of different models which others will probably work but don't know which specific ones. Don't know what the persistance of the 602 is. I also found a reference to using a storage monitor so picked up a Tek 611 (613 similar). It is a bigger screen. Haven't actually tried it yet though. It can be used storage or non storage. Storage tubes tended to not be very durable.

20 years, 2 months

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New acquisition: Powerbook 540c

by rcini＠optonline.net

All: I just got my hands on a Mac Powerbook 540c, a 68LC040 version (the last I believe). It seems to be in good condition with 12mb of RAM and a 230mb hard drive, but didn't come with any cables. So, I'm looking to accessorize a bit: I'd like a SCSI cable (HDI-30 to SCSI1 or SCSI2), more memory, and maybe a battery. If anyone has some spares/accessories they'd be willing to part with for a few $$$ and my eternal gratitude, please contact me off-list. Thanks! Rich Rich Cini Collector of classic computers Lead engineer, Altair32 Emulator Web site: <http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/classiccmp/> http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/classiccmp/ Web site: <http://www.altair32.com/> http://www.altair32.com/ /***************************************************/

20 years, 2 months

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OT-ish: Build-it stuff / elektor

by Billy.Pettit＠wdc.com

Tony Duell wrote: FWIW, in 1972 the UK magazine 'Practical Electronics' published a design (going over 10 issuses, I have the whole set) for a TTL-based 4-function desktop calcualtor. Not a computer, sure, but a lot of the principles were there. > Those who like to see something special should check it out : it is a > two-address machine, no instructions, but memory-mapped "functional > units". It even had hardware based multiply and divide ! I'd love to see that, but my Elektor collections starts at about the time of the first Elekturscope (and I don't have a complete run since then, alas) -tony ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------- Hah, I remember the PE calculator well. I actually built it, though I restructured the boards to match some proto PCBs I had. To make it easier, I copied out the articles and bound them together. I saw that binder in the last few weeks - may have it here in OC. I'll look tonight. It's not a great copy, but anyone is interested, I'll hit the Xerox at Kinko's. (I doubt there's enough interest to be worth scanning.) I have all the English editions of Elektor, but they are not easy to get to. My garage is a solid mass of books and electronics. When I retire next year, the top priority is to clean up that mess. eBay will be a full time occupation for many many months. Some of the stuff is spoken for - I've promised Al K. he can copy anything he wants before I sell it. I should probably donate all the software to the Museum, but I still don't feel positive about their permanence. Billy

20 years, 2 months

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OT-ish: Build-it stuff

by Billy.Pettit＠wdc.com

Don Y (dgy at DakotaCom.Net <mailto:cctalk%40classiccmp.org?Subject=OT-ish%3A%20%20Build-it%20stuff&In-R eply-To=> ) wrote: Sun Jun 11 15:08:28 CDT 2006 Hi, The discussion re: SBC6120 got me thinking (something I try hard to do only on special occasions! :> ) It's disturbing that it seems so hard for the OP to scrape up enough interest to justify parts for another build. Which brings me to my question(s)... *Why* aren't people interested in this sort of thing? - lack of interest (i.e. PDP8? what's *that*??) - lack of collector appeal ("Ah, but it's not a REAL '8!") - lack of space ("Hand me a shovel; I'm digging a sub-basement") - lack of CASH (<frown>) - lack of skills ("Now, *which* end of the iron do I hold??") - lack of time ("Honey, little Bobby set himself on fire, again. Can you please put it out?") I obviously have a good idea what the reasons COULD be. But, I'm curious as to what they REALLY are! In the interests of candor, maybe replies off-list are better? And, don't interpret this as JUST pertaining to that particular product/project. I'm curious as to how receptive (resistant!) people are to *any* sorts of projects like that (even if they are "already assembled") Thanks! I hope I didn't step on anyone's toes... --don ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Billy: I don't know the answer to your question. I'm certain that a lot of it does fall into some of the categories above. Another factor might be cultural. I find a significantly greater interest in DIY projects of all kinds in the UK. Whether it is the chicken or the egg, they also have access to better parts stores (for hobbiest quantities) and excellent magazines. The Dutch magazine Electuur is translated into English and published in the UK every month as Elector. It has excellent construction articles, readily available firmware, and even the PCB layout for most of the projects. We have nothing like it in the States. For whatever reason, the UK and to a lesser extent, the EU have kept the interest alive. Perhaps some of our non-US members can shed insight on why. Billy

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Data I/O Series 22 EPROM Programmer help

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

> >Subject: Re: Data I/O Series 22 EPROM Programmer help > From: "Ethan Dicks" <ethan.dicks at gmail.com> > Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 13:59:04 +1200 > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> > >On 6/14/06, Roy J. Tellason <rtellason at verizon.net> wrote: >> We used to do a LOT of c64 repairs way back when, and every one of those >> beasts had a "906114" PLA in it that as I understand it was an 82S100 part. >> And it was a very common failure item, resulting more often than not in a >> blank screen or perhaps some bizarre display. > >Right... it's the address bus manager, among other things. When it >fails, the CPU can't get to RAM or ROM or the VIC-II, typically. > >> Any idea as to why that should fail so often? > >Thermal death? It's a bi-polar part, not *MOS, and it does run hotter >than the rest of the components. It's bipolar and also programable (fuseable links) and they do have a tendancy to develop shorted paths where they were once "opened". Allison > >-ethan

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Another SX-64 problem for the group.

by netsurfer_x1＠fastmailbox.net

I have an SX-64 that has (apparently) a serious problem. On powerup it shows nothing on the screen (checked the settings and and also hooked up an external monitor) along with an occasional crackling sound from the speaker. Keypresses are not registered by the machine. Anyone got any ideas as to what the problem could be?

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HP 264x terminal status

by gginben＠cebridge.net

Attn: Jay West & Others I just happen to notice the thread that was written. So I would like to clear things up a bit. I never said that I wouldn't do the terminal deal. When you asked me about it I simply said "My number one priority is making sure that all the guys that purchased one received all of them ok. My customers are always first, and would hate to get rid of all of them, and then somebody didn't get theirs. So honestly at this point Jay I haven't forgot about you." As far as your quote about having someone pick them up is not correct either. This is the email that I received >from you "I've read this, and empathize. I'm not sure I follow though, if you still want the bulk purchase deal or not. Please let me know so I can let the other folks know. Jay West" Where all the other came from I am unsure. I am not meaning this email to be in any way demeaning or anything close. Just simply wanted to make sure that I could explain what happened. As far as as this quote from John A. " The other thing was that I was looking for positive word from anyone that the shipments were getting through and Gessman 'lost it' before Anyone was able to respond, deal cancelled. John A." I didn't lose it. , but thanks. You simply lied to me at first by telling me that you had sent a money order. Just to find out later the truth was that you wanted to wait and make sure that someone received one before you made a payment. I don't blame you for wanting to be like this. I just didn't care to do business with someone that wanted to pull wool over my eyes. I even canceled the non paying dispute to keep you from getting a strike from ebay since you finally did tell me the truth. Just so you could tell everyone here that I "lost it" Should anyone have any questions at all please don't hesitate to email me Thanks, Greg (Gessman Business Services)

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OT: New yahoo group

by rtellason＠verizon.net

I kept bumping into situations where things were getting discussed that just didn't seem to fit in with the topic of the group that they were taking place in, and ad-hoc email arrangements where people ended up cc'ing each other all over the place with large file attachments and so forth, a very clumsy situation to try and deal with generally (I'd hit "R" and reply to one person instead of the group, etc.) so while in the process of griping about this in a message last night I just went ahead and started a group to deal with this sort of a situation. Feel free to jump on in and post stuff that would be OT in here, if you like. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/roys-tech-chat/join -- Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and ablest -- form of life in this section of space, a critter that can be killed but can't be tamed. --Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet Masters" - Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James M Dakin

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SBC6120 (a build-it-yourself PDP-8 clone) grammer checked

by vp＠drexel.edu

Don Y <dgy at DakotaCom.Net> wrote: > Problem with most logic analyzers is getting all the microhooks > (or easyhooks) that go with it. Without having to sell a kidney! Actually the problem (as many people have stated before) is getting the *probes*. These are hard to replace because the often contain proprietary chips. If you have the probes, getting replacement cabling and hooks is usually easy, suppliers like DigiKey carry these. **vp

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ForSale: Various (off-topic?) PC parts New Haven CT area.

by woyciesjes＠sbcglobal.net

I'm having a tag sale at my house this weekend, rain or shine. Saturday 8am - 1pm & Sunday 8am - 1pm at 93 Quaker Road, Hamden CT. PCI & some ISA cards, a couple motherboards, probably some CD drives, and other items. Everything worked when I pulled it from use. It's from the Pentium 166 - PIII-500 era. Some Mac accessories are up for sale too. I think I may even have a Digital Equipment Multia for sale too. Small 166 MHz Alpha CPU box. Not a screamer, but very neat nonetheless. Let me know (directly) if your looking for something specific, and if I have it, I could hold it for you. -- --- Dave Woyciesjes --- ICQ# 905818 --- AIM - woyciesjes

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vtserver issues

by drb＠msu.edu

Dear all, I'm trying to image a pair of RD54s in a recently acquired machine, before doing anything that might break the installed OS. I'm using vtserver, as I lack other means of doing this right now. Since the RD54 is ~160 MB drive, I'm up against the vtserver 32 MB limit. I found Jonathan Engdahl's patches for vtserver which modify the protocol to allow larger files, and I'm running those. But that package doesn't include modified a standalone copy. A note on this page: http://home.alltel.net/engdahl/vtserver.htm says that modified standalones are available in the 2.9BSD-MSCP package, but best I can tell those are the byte-for-byte identical to the ones in the base Toomey vtserver package. So, does anyone have a standalone "copy" with the large file protocol modifications for vtserver? Thanks, De

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Data I/O Series 22 EPROM Programmer help

by lee＠geekdot.com

>> It's bipolar and also programable (fuseable links) and they do have >> a tendancy to develop shorted paths where they were once "opened". > Does that mean that one could take a failed part and re-blast it with > the original program and return it to service? Yes but the 'repair' may not last as only the regrown fuse will be blown, those about to fail will still do so. Best fix is to use a new device. Lee.

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VME bus for homebrewed CPUs

by dgriffi＠cs.csubak.edu

I've been looking for suitable VME stuff to hopefully use to build a Magic-1. I have a cardcage that will hold a 12 slot backplane with J1 and J2. However, the board it came with is an oddball 9-slot deal. Three of the J2 slots have big conductors embedded in them, which makes it look a little like a 13w3 jack. I found a 12-slot backplane with only J1 slots. So, if I understand this correctly, I need a J2 backplane. Can these be had on the used market for a reasonable price? Or can I put another J1 backplane alongside the first and expect that to line up with a VME prototype board? -- David Griffith dgriffi at cs.csubak.edu A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail?

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FREE HD46505 CRT controller chips

by yo3gts＠gmail.com

Hello, Dear Sir, I see your offer about HD46505..the CRT controller.I need only 1 pcs for my diploma project. Please help me if you have some lost CI Best regards, Dan.

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ISO: Unisite Service Manual

by dgy＠DakotaCom.Net

Hi, Anyone happen to have a service manual for a unisite handy? I can't seem to figure out which box mine is hiding in which has me suspicious that it's in "long term" storage. <big frown> Thanks! --don

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Data I/O Series 22 EPROM Programmer help

by ed_sipols＠goodyear.com

I have acquired an old DATA I/O series 22 porm programmer. I have some Signetics N82S141F chips that will not read at the recommended family and pinout codes of 10/15. In fact, the programmer will not even allow me to enter the 10 as the family. Help???!!!! Ed

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Nolan Bushnell interview

by hilpert＠cs.ubc.ca

... just finished listening to a live interview with Nolan Bushnell on the radio. Largely about his activities today but he was queried about Pong and the inspirations for it. No great revelations I suppose, as I imagine those who are interested in such already know the story, but there was something novel about hearing "SpaceWar on a PDP-1 in 1964" on the local afternoon radio show. :)

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