- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by legalize＠xmission.com

I received this email today offering a VAX 11/750. I have no connection with the current owner. I have set the Reply-To for this message to the owner. Hopefully someone can rescue this. -- Richard =-=-=-=-=-=-= Original email We have a Digital VAX 11750 in storage that we need to find a home for. We have never used this as it was acquired by us when we purchased another company and was simply put into storage at that time. Do you have any idea if anyone would be interested in this? I would hate to see it hauled to the garbage if there is someone out there that would like to have it. Thank you for any help that you may provide. Regards, Lori G. Lee Quintek Technologies, Inc. 208-847-3618 208-847-3619 Fax llee at quintek.com www.quintek.com

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Strange ADVENT error messages (OS/8)

by djg＠pdp8.net

>This disk image works perfectly (including ADVENT) on my laptop >running SIMH. > The way advent is saved it is dependant on exact conditions when it is saved. If hardware is changed or files are moved it will not work. If you follow the instructions in advent.dc you can resave it. For reference http://www.pdp8.net/pdp8cgi/os8_html/ADVENT.DC?act=file;fn=images/os8/diag-… An updated version is at http://www.rickmurphy.net/adventure.html

18 years, 12 months

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A frightening little bit of technology

by aek＠bitsavers.org

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140155187682 How to make an unreliable medium even LESS reliable.

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Wang 300 Calc

by silent700＠gmail.com

I've got a line on one of these old Nixie-tube calculators at a fair price. I know they used an outboard processor, making them little more than (very pretty) terminals to a central CPU. Are they of any use other than a doorstop or eye candy for the collection? (And don't say "harvest them for the Nixies!") -- jht

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cctalk Digest, Vol 49, Issue 21

by mtapley＠swri.edu

At 10:10 -0500 9/7/07, cctalk-request at classiccmp.org wrote: >Hi there, > >What's the score with obtaining o/s installation disks for NeXT, >please? I have a slab here which I obtained a while back but which >(to my shame) I haven't gotten around to tinkering with. I believe it >has a fresh o/s install, but I'd feel more comfortable if I knew I >had all the facilities to do a reinstall if necessary. > >Is NeXTstep considered abandonware yet? Or should I be looking on >eBay for the latest version? > >Cheers, > >Stroller. Vendors I know about: http://www.blackholeinc.com/specials/blackhardware.shtml http://www.channelu.com/Turbo/NeXT/software.html Have dealt with the latter, he's a good guy. Don't know about the former. EBay is not a bad bet. For an early cube or slab, be sure you get the boot floppy with the media, or if not let me know and I (?) think I can write one for you. You'll also need the correct cable and a 512-byte SCSI CD drive; a FAQ that should help with that is pointed to from: http://www.museplan.com/projects/next-mac-faq/next-mac-faq.html Look down to the Q: Where can I find the main NextStep FAQ?, follow that link, go to section 5.6. Hope this helps. -- - Mark, 210-379-4635 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Large Asteroids headed toward planets inhabited by beings that don't have technology adequate to stop them: Think of it as Evolution in Fast-Forward.

18 years, 12 months

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Compupro Concurrent DOS 4.1 bug report

by tpeters＠mixcom.com

C O M P U P R O PRODUCT ASSURANCE TECHNICAL BULLETIN BULLETIN #39 6/3/86 ***************************************************************** SUBJECT: PATCHES TO BDOS.CON TO CORRECT BUGS DEALING WITH DOS MEDIA ON CONCURRENT DOS 4.1 SYSTEMS PRODUCTS AFFECTED: ALL SYSTEMS USING CONCURRENT DOS 4.1 WITH DOS MEDIA PROBLEM: Two bugs have been identified by Mickey Singer from Personalized Programming in the BDOS.CON module from Digital Research. These two patches deal with a bug in the LRU buffering with DOS media, and a record locking bug in subdirectories in DOS media. These two patches have been recommended by Personalized Programming, but are not official Digital Research patches. CompuPro is not currently installing these patches in the 4.1 releases of Concurrent DOS, but recommends that they be installed if using record locking with DOS media. SOLUTION: The solution to this problem is to patch the BDOS.CON module and then regenerate the CCPM.SYS file from this patched module. The procedure for this patch is listed below: PATCH PROCEDURE: Make a back-up copy of BDOS.CON before using SID86.CMD to make the following changes. User entries are underlined. 0A>SID86 SID86 1.0 #rBDOS.CON START END XXXX:0000 XXXX:5AFF #XCS CS 0000 YYYY (Where YYYY=XXXX+8) DS 0000 YYYY SS WXYZ . #LA3A,A3A XXXX:0A3A JNZ 0A59 (LRU BUG) #aA3A XXXX:0A3A JNZ A9A XXXX:0A3C . #L2189,218F XXXX:2189 MOV AX,[0BB9] (RECORD LOCKING BUG) XXXX:218C MOV [0882,AX XXXX:218F MOV AX,[08E7] PRODUCT ASSURANCE TECHME39.DOC 6/3/86 PAGE 1 of 2 #a2189 XXXX:2189 CALL 1EF4 XXXX:218C JZ 21A2 XXXX:218E NOP XXXX:218F NOP XXXX:2190 NOP XXXX:2191 NOP XXXX:2192 . #L1EF4,1EF8 XXXX:1EF4 MOV BX,[BX] XXXX:1EF6 OR BX,BX XXXX:1EF8 JZ 1F08 #A1EF4 XXXX:1EF4 MOV AX,[0BB9] XXXX:1EF7 MOV [0882],AX XXXX:1EFA OR AX,AX XXXX:1EFC MOV AX,[08E7] XXXX:1EFF RET XXXX:1F00 . #wBDOS.CON #^C 0A> Save this new corrected copy of BDOS.CON so that the next time you GENCCPM a system, you will use the corrected module. At this time, you can regenerate your CCPM.SYS file as described in your documentation. Any questions concerning this Technical Bulletin should be addressed to: Product Assurance Department CompuPro/Viasyn Corporation 26538 Danti Court Hayward, CA 94545-3999 PRODUCT ASSURANCE TECHME39.DOC 6/3/86 PAGE 2 of 2 ----- 190. [Internet] "Ist es eine Leitungsst?rung? Ist es ein Coredump? Nein, es ist sendmail.cf." --Kristian K?hntopp --... ...-- -.. . -. ----. --.- --.- -... tpeters at nospam.mixcom.com (remove "nospam") N9QQB (amateur radio) "HEY YOU" (loud shouting) WEB: http://www.mixweb.com/tpeters 43? 7' 17.2" N by 88? 6' 28.9" W, Elevation 815', Grid Square EN53wc WAN/LAN/Telcom Analyst, Tech Writer, MCP, CCNA, Registered Linux User 385531

18 years, 12 months

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ST-412

by wdonzelli＠gmail.com

Anyone need an ST-412 HDD? I am pretty sure this one works. Cheap! Five bucks? Ten bucks? I think this should fit in a Flat Rate box, so shipping anywhere US should be about 9 or 10 bucks as well. -- Will

18 years, 12 months

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Reviving DEC RX01 power supply

by oldcpu2＠rogerwilco.org

woodelf said: > I don't want to see a 40 year nerd with no socks walking around ... > Give me a 20 year old <censored> with no <censored> on making a quick dash > instead. :) Ha! > Would that be a standard system 4 RX01's? I don't think so. This system appears to be circa 1977, and my oldest DEC handbook is from 1981, so doesn't even describe the old short, 4-slot BA-11M box that houses the CPU. But the handbook does describe a PDP-11/03 system with just the LSI-11 CPU, 8KW (16KB) and a single dual-drive RX01 storage subsystem. That would obviously be 'reasonably' the minimal system possible, I suppose. If you were a bit more willing to part with money, then you'd have an 11/23 CPU with one or even two RL01 5MB removable cartridge disks. Woohoo, huge step up in storage capacity! - Jared

18 years, 12 months

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Strange ADVENT error messages (OS/8)

by charlesmorris＠hughes.net

Today I set out to debug my other (previously donated/defective) 16K core board in order to have a full 32K in my 8/A. The board was completely dead (0000 at all locations). A quick test program to read all locations in field 4-7 and a little scope work (it's handy to have a current probe) showed that one of the two paralleled X Read/Write drive transistors was defective and so that stack current pulse was only half amplitude. After replacing the transistor, powering back up and booting OS/8 from my RL02, a MEM command now showed "32K MEMORY!" :) Everything pretty much seems to be working just like before (such as LUNAR in PFOCAL, and various BASIC programs). But when I attempt to run ADVENT I get the following bizarre error messages: DIVIDE BY 0 ID("IL 0000 DIVIDE BY 0 ID("IL 0000 DIVIDE BY 0 ID:SIL 0357 DIVIDE BY 0 IE\/IM 0000 BAD ARG IE\/IM 0000 ID:SIL 0357 IANBII 0000 IEG8IM 0000 IEH?IM 0000 IE BIM 7240 IAVBII 0000 and then it either returns to the dot prompt or crashes. This disk image works perfectly (including ADVENT) on my laptop running SIMH. This looks to me like part of a file is corrupted (the presumed garbles are repeatable), but I don't know which one... any thoughts? I haven't run a test pattern on the "new" core board and wonder if it could be the source of this error. Rick M. are you out there? ;) thanks for any help. -Charles

18 years, 12 months

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Adaptec ACB2002(a) Controller

by tpeters＠mixcom.com

Adaptec ACB2002(a) Controller I think this was an ISA MFM controller Jumper settings: Adaptec ACB2002(a) Controller Card Drive Type Table: Type Head Cyl E.G. 0 2 612 Miniscribe 3012 1 2 306 Syquest 306 2 4 480 Miniscribe 4020 3 4 306 Seagate ST-412 Jumper Settings Tables: Drive 0: Drive 1: Type Inst Remove Type Inst Remove 0 MNOP 0 QRST 1 MN OP 1 QR ST 2 OP MN 2 ST QR 3 MNOP 3 QRST ----- 986. Everything that can be invented has been invented. -- Charles H. Duell, Commissioner, U.S. Office of Patents, 1899 --... ...-- -.. . -. ----. --.- --.- -... tpeters at nospam.mixcom.com (remove "nospam") N9QQB (amateur radio) "HEY YOU" (loud shouting) WEB: http://www.mixweb.com/tpeters 43? 7' 17.2" N by 88? 6' 28.9" W, Elevation 815', Grid Square EN53wc WAN/LAN/Telcom Analyst, Tech Writer, MCP, CCNA, Registered Linux User 385531

18 years, 12 months

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Next Question

by mtapley＠swri.edu

At 9:14 -0500 9/6/07, Dave wrote: >Now the system boots up in multiuser mode and automatically >logs in as "me" - so I got to play with NextStep which is >kindof interesting (mouse is painfully slow however). All the below applies to NS 3.3, don't recall for earlier versions (none of which are recommended, with some minor caveats) One of the "Dock" icons should be a clock/calendar (or some subset thereof). Double-click that, and it'll bring up "localization preferences". Click on the mouse, and you can change the mouse speed. People always comment on how fast my mouse is... As others have said, if a "me" password is set, you get the login screen. If not, it logs you straight in as "me", which is not a recommended way to run the machine (but if you've got boxed versions, you can always rebuild the HD...) To set the password, go back to Localization Preferences, and click on the padlock. To create other accounts, I always use UserManager (found in the NextAdmin folder). -- - Mark, 210-379-4635 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Large Asteroids headed toward planets inhabited by beings that don't have technology adequate to stop them: Think of it as Evolution in Fast-Forward.

18 years, 12 months

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Slightly rare Mac 512k with D(?)-25 connector

by mtapley＠swri.edu

All, spotted in the San Antonio Goodwill Computerworks: A Mac 512k, but with a minor difference. On the back side, above where the power switch normally is and far away from the rest of the connectors, is a 25-pin D connector reminscent of the Mac "SCSI" connectors on Mac Plus and other machines. I did not disassemble or power up the machine (no KB or Mouse in evidence), so I don't know what it is. Don't know whether they'll pak/n/ship. They were asking $5 for the machine. No connection. Let me know (off list for quicker response) if you want me to go back for it and work on boxes and postage for you. Forgotten what the correct designation for those D-connectors is, and wanted to get this out fast in case anyone wants it. -- - Mark, 210-379-4635 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Large Asteroids headed toward planets inhabited by beings that don't have technology adequate to stop them: Think of it as Evolution in Fast-Forward.

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power brownout logger?

by RodSmallwood＠mail.ediconsulting.co.uk

Well I would call it a data logger. Some DPM (Digital Panel Meters) have RS232 (or 458 balanced line) outputs. They can be set for one output per second. Just capture and store. Rod -----Original Message----- From: cctech-bounces at classiccmp.org [mailto:cctech-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of woodelf Sent: 07 September 2007 00:23 To: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Re: power brownout logger? Richard wrote: > Sorry if this is a little off-topic, but after hunting around on the > net I couldn't find the right search term to find what I'm looking > for. > > OK, my power company sucks. I have brownouts and power outages all > too frequently. Yet when I look at the statistics recorded by the > public utilities commission, it seems obvious to me that they aren't > showing an accurate record of what happens at my house. > > So I'm looking for a device (I'm fairly certain I've seen these > before) that I plug into a wall outlet and it keeps a log of voltage > sags, brownouts and outages. Then I can use this to build a > reliability profile of my power company as raw data to compete with > their b.s. line that its never their fault when my power constantly > sucks. > > Any suggestions? check here. http://www.sparetimegizmos.com/

18 years, 12 months

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Genuine DEC H8571-J MMJ adapters available

by tothwolf＠concentric.net

I managed a buyout of genuine DEC H8571-J MMJ adapters awhile back and just got them in. They are brand new and are in factory sealed DEC packaging. I'm planning to list some on eBay and VCM, but I thought I'd post an offer to the list first. They are $25.00 each + postage and I can ship internationally. I also have about a dozen of the H8571-J work-alike adapter+cable kits that I've been building for $20.00 each, but I'll probably make some more once those are gone since they have been extremely popular. -Toth

18 years, 12 months

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Dali Clock

by aek＠bitsavers.org

> I am sure you're aware of it, but it instantly brought to mind the > story of Jamie Zawinski's Dali clock and from the URL: > The original (Steve Capps) version of Dali Clock Which is REALLY a port of the graphics from the XEROX ALTO Dali Clock.

18 years, 12 months

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Anyone collect VESA local bus stuff?

by lproven＠gmail.com

I have a VESA multi-I/O board on eBay at the mo', and a clutch of PCMCIA cards, mostly 3c589D NICs. On eBay UK. Items: - 270163133234 - 270163148732 - 270163155958 (I hope this is not against list rules, but AFAICR, I've not seen any list rules...) -- Liam Proven ? Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/liamproven Email: lproven at cix.co.uk ? GMail/GoogleTalk/Orkut: lproven at gmail.com Tel: +44 20-8685-0498 ? Cell: +44 7939-087884 ? Fax: + 44 870-9151419 AOL/AIM/iChat: liamproven at aol.com ? MSN/Messenger: lproven at hotmail.com Yahoo: liamproven at yahoo.co.uk ? Skype: liamproven ? ICQ: 73187508

18 years, 12 months

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A few cromemco floppy images

by aek＠bitsavers.org

I bought several eBay lots of floppies, one of which purported to be cromix discs. It appears only one was a cromix disc, the rest appear to be cdos. I haven't looked at them in detail. About half of them have been read and are up under http://bitsavers.org/bits/Cromemco/floppy There are also what appear to be UCSD Pascal I.5 discs for CP/M up under http://bitsavers.org/bits/UCSD_Pascal/cpm

18 years, 12 months

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UX, AIX, FLAYX...

by chrism3667＠yahoo.com

I know nothing about AIX or it's associated hardware (oh ok I know it's made by IBM). I know little more about HP-UX. All I know is I want a box/boxes I can run this stuph on. This is a continual plea and the cry of my heart :(. I know there's some of this stuph out there for me. Question is how do I get it. Thus I turn to y'all. Please help. Please... ____________________________________________________________________________________ Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/

18 years, 12 months

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power brownout logger?

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

> >Subject: Re: power brownout logger? > From: Fred Cisin <cisin at xenosoft.com> > Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2007 16:36:29 -0700 (PDT) > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> > >On Thu, 6 Sep 2007, Richard wrote: >> So I'm looking for a device (I'm fairly certain I've seen these >> before) that I plug into a wall outlet and it keeps a log of voltage >> sags, brownouts and outages. Then I can use this to build a >> reliability profile of my power company as raw data to compete with >> their b.s. line that its never their fault when my power constantly >> sucks. > >Vertex (who were for a brief time authorized to distribute my XenoCopy) >had such a device. It had a walwart and connected to a PC. >Unfortunately, whenever there were power problems, it would crash and lose >all the data. Therefore, it should only be used on systems with no power >problems. Hmmm. wonder why it never caught on Company the name I remember is DRANITZ made a power logger that could report things liek brown or drop outs, length of disturbance and even things like common mode or neutral to protective ground currents. Handy device and like can be found at surplus equipment shops. Allison

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Dranetz (was power brownout logger?)

by aek＠bitsavers.org

The industry-standard device is made by Dranetz and has been around in various forms for decades.

18 years, 12 months

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Once upon a time

by James＠jdfogg.com

When one spoke of computer research and manufacture, you were speaking of Massachusetts. And it was all clustered along Rt. 128 (except DEC). Someone made a poster of it. http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/for/415042460.html Link probably has a limited life expectancy. James - "I seem to be having tremendous difficulty with my lifestyle"

18 years, 12 months

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MAC emulation?

by uban＠ubanproductions.com

I have a Powerbook 150 running System 7.? and only really use it for one purpose, which is to run the old MOTU FreeStyle and FreeMIDI tools. My question is if there is an emulation environment available for a PC which provides enough facility to run System 7 (or possibly 8) and these applications which need to talk MIDI via one of the serial ports and a MIDI interface? --tom

18 years, 12 months

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VCF X - November 3-4

by sellam＠vintagetech.com

Hey All! Just a quick heads-up that things are starting to roll for the tenth anniversary VCF event this November 3-4. I'm working on some pretty incredible stuff behind the scenes that will be announced in the next couple of weeks. As of now we have about 5 registered exhibits. I'll be posting more speakers to the roster in the next couple days and have several more to confirm that will go up in the next several weeks. If anyone has an idea for a talk or workshop they'd like to give I'd love to hear it, so e-mail me off-list if you'd like to participate. With two months to go things are going to start to move fast, so anyone planning to exhibit at the VCF this year is encouraged to register ASAP. http://www.vintage.org/2007/main/ -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ]

18 years, 12 months

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Second processor cards

by wdg3rd＠comcast.net

> Message: 24 > Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 12:24:55 -0700 (PDT) > From: Chris M <chrism3667 at yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: Ancient 8086/80286 unixes? > What was the purpose of offloading in this context? > Simply acceleration? No, I can't think of any "whole > puters" that could get plugged into a pc or at either, > just thought I'd ask. But keep in mind you don't > really need a distinct k/b and screen to do that. > Years later they were quite common. I think it was > Orange Micro or AST that came out w/286 Nubus cards > for the early Nubus equipped Macs. I never bothered to > get mine working, but I'm guessing the environment ran > in a window on the Mac desktop. > Nevertheless I think it would be very kewell to plug > a whole 'nother puter into something vintij. Very kewell. This was discussed in another thread a little while ago. http://www.classiccmp.org/pipermail/cctalk/1997-November/092425.html -- Ward Griffiths wdg3rd at comcast.net Well, if you're gonna buy a ticket on the Titanic, you might as well go First Class. Captain Audie Murphy, Texas Ranger, in _Roswell, Texas_ by L. Neil Smith, Rex May and Scott Bieser. http://www.bigheadpress.com/roswell/

18 years, 12 months

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[Free] Old Data Books (Australia)

by hugh＠blemings.org

Hi, Meant to include this in my earlier post - Amongst the other "treasure" I've got a decent sized assortment of old Motorola, Fairchild, Texas Instruments, Ferranti and National Semiconductor Databooks. These are all for chips - analog parts, ECL, MECL, TTL, CMOS logic, Special Function Devices, Memories etc. Date range late 70's to early '90s. If anyone knows of a better home for these than the paper recycling please let me know. My sense is that most of the data is available on the 'net now on the various archives. Thanks! Cheers, Hugh

18 years, 12 months

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Belgian computers?

by RodSmallwood＠mail.ediconsulting.co.uk

Not as far as I know, but BARCO are a big Belgian maker of TV's and monitors. They may have been involved. Rod -----Original Message----- From: cctech-bounces at classiccmp.org [mailto:cctech-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Ethan Dicks Sent: 03 September 2007 06:09 To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Belgian computers? I have the opportunity to travel to Gent, Belgium, in about a month, and with all the recent talk of British computers, I wanted to ask the list if anyone knows if there were ever any Belgian-made computers. I'm mostly interested in 1980s micros, but any sort of machines would be germane. -ethan

18 years, 12 months

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GALs and PALs (was Re: [Free] Old Data Books (Australia))

by ethan.dicks＠gmail.com

On 9/4/07, Roy J. Tellason <rtellason at verizon.net> wrote: > On Tuesday 04 September 2007 23:41, Ethan Dicks wrote: > > Hope that illuminates more than obscures, > > Sure. I have a bunch of PALs around, mostly pulls from a bunch of XT-class > machines that Zenith made, and it's debatable whether there will ever be a > use for them. Indeed. You might check for "PALCE" - those are CMOS PALs that _can_ be reprogrammed. Bipolar PALs by MMI and other vendors are strictly OTP. You _could_ poke around the PAL with a signal generator and a logic analyzer/logic probe/VOM/O-scope and divine the internal programming, but, honestly, blown PALs are rarely useful out of their original context. The only use _I_ have ever had for them is a pattern to be able to make modifications to an existing device - I've started with PALs for, say, an Amiga 3000, then burned a faster GAL to get rid of video jitter - I was partially successful. I've never tried to take a PAL out of a circuit and re-use it in a new circuit. > GALs, on the other hand, sound like they'be be useful for > all sorts of things. Indeed they are. Bob Armstrong is a heavy user of GALs for the Spare Time Gizmos line of hobby products. In the case of the Elf 2000, for example, you can change the logic equations yourself (he provides the source) and change the memory and/or I/O map - all of the select logic goes through a GAL, so the memory map is mutable. If you are designing your own circuits, a 18 or 24-pin GAL can replace several square inches of TTL, with the benefit of being able to make changes later that don't involve cutting traces and adding blue wires. You lose the ability to poke around in the middle of select circuits, and to make substantial changes, but it all depends on what your goals for the project are if that's a worthwhile tradeoff or not. You do have to start with a GAL programmer, though. Not all hobbyists have them, so if you make a product to sell, as Bob does, you should consider selling programmed parts for those that can't burn their own. > I should probably seek out some data on these parts, > or even a databook, somewhere. Got any pointers to specific numbers? The two most common parts I've worked with are the 18-pin Lattice GAL 16V8 and the 24-pin Lattice GAL 22V10. There's also a 22-pin GAL 20V8, and I do have a few pull, but I've never run into a hobby project that uses them. I would expect to pay $1.25 for small quantities of 16V8s and up to $3.50 for small quantities of 22V10s. Bargains can be had, but to be honest, when I see 22V10s for under $2.00 each, I tend to buy a few. They aren't as easy to find cheaply as 16V8s. One type of occasional bargain are surplussed already-programmed parts. Just throw them in your programmer, erase them, then you are ready to go with only a couple of burn cycles ticked off their lifetime. AMD also makes (made?) the PALCE line of PLDs. They are pin compatible with GALs, and should program in the same programmer as a GAL. I do not know if there are any substantial technical advantages of PALCEs over GALs or not. In general, for non-modern circuits, a GAL is going to be fast compared to layer after layer of TTL. For example, 15ns GALs are not particularly fast or expensive. 15ns would be a problem for a multi-gate address select circuit for, say, a 6502. Fortunately, with 1MHz and 8Mhz designs and such, speed really isn't a factor, but it's nice to know how much slack you have in your design. You can start here for technical details... http://www.latticesemi.com/products/cpldspld/gal.cfm -ethan

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After Next Question

by mtapley＠swri.edu

...and once you have an account set up... use NeXTAdmin/Hostmanager (click on the local.. menu item) to set up your ip address (no DHCP, sorry). ftp to ftp.peak.org, login as anonymous cd /pub/next-ftp/next browse away. Recommended: /apps/internet/www/OmniWeb gets you a web browser, which you can then use to hit http://www.distributed.net go to Download, then "Official Distributed.net clients", and you can pick up the current NeXT client and start crunching Optimal Golomb Ruler candidates. You need never waste another 68040 clock cycle! -- - Mark, 210-379-4635 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Large Asteroids headed toward planets inhabited by beings that don't have technology adequate to stop them: Think of it as Evolution in Fast-Forward.

18 years, 12 months

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Next Question

by dave06a＠dunfield.com

Hi Guys, Picked up a Next Slab yesterday ... complete with a couple boxed versions of NextStep. Got it to boot up - It was configured to prompt for a username and password - which of course I didn't have. I managed to restart it into single-user mode, and used "passwd root" to change the root password. I also looked at /etc/passwd and noted that "me" didn't have a password (blank field). I did confirm that after "passwd root" the encrypted string in /etc/passwd was changed. On restarting in multi-user mode, I was still unable to login to the graphical interface - neither "root" with the password I had set, or "me" with no password would work. Restarted in single-user mode - this time I dug around on the net and found information to use "nu -m" to set the password. I reset the root password (again), and also reset the "me" password to a null string. Looking at /etc/passwd I noted that the password field for "me" was no longer blank but now has an encrypted field (isn't no password supposed to be represented by a blank field). Now the system boots up in multiuser mode and automatically logs in as "me" - so I got to play with NextStep which is kindof interesting (mouse is painfully slow however). Ideally, I'd like to have it prompt for login name so that I could login as either root or me - anyone know: - How to configure it back to having a login screen - Wny I couldn't login as "root" at the graphical interface after I had just set the password (and yes, I checked that the password was entered correctly) Thanks, Dave -- dave06a (at) Dave Dunfield dunfield (dot) Firmware development services & tools: www.dunfield.com com Collector of vintage computing equipment: http://www.classiccmp.org/dunfield/index.html

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AT&T PC6300 available, in Fort Worth, TX, USA

by frustum＠pacbell.net

Today I received an email from a gentleman in possession of an AT&T PC6300, wanting to know if I wanted it for the cost of shipping. I'm not interested in collecting PCs, so I said I'd pass it on to the list. Here is his description of the machine: (start of quote) As the original purchaser, I am seeking a new home for a pristine 1985 Personal Computer with peripherals, software, and original documentation. All were functioning perfectly in February 1998, when replaced and stored. All items are in their original boxes: AT&T PC6300 with 256KB RAM and two 5-1/4" floppy drives, Color Monitor, Keyboard, Mouse, and Citizen MSP-15 dot matrix printer with 8-1/2x11 and 11x15 tractor feed paper. As you know, this PC was the state of the art technology in 1985 and the best and fastest of the pre-"Windows" operating system platforms. It is an excellent representation depicting the end of the Dot Matrix and DOS eras. (end of quote) If you are interested, please mail me off-list at frustum at pacbell.net. I'll forward his contact information to you (I'd put it here, but some people reasonably don't like having their personal information stuck in a public forum archive). Thanks.

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D-shell sizes [was Re: Slightly rare Mac 512k with

by trag＠io.com

>Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 15:55:04 -0500 >From: Mark Tapley <mtapley at swri.edu> >Subject: Re: D-shell sizes >To: cctalk at classiccmp.org >Message-ID: <p06240819c304c5a417d4(a)[129.162.152.69]> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" > ><Hangs head in shame> > >I am *so* sorry - I left off the correct letter (thought it was "B", >just wasn't sure) in hopes of *avoiding* kicking off the annual >D-shell connector nomenclature thread. > >Have we dug up the horse bones, beat them into flour, baked the flour >into bread, and punched it down enough now? > >Guess not. I'll add to the mess: <chuckle> Going back to your earlier topic, so I really should nest another "Was:" up there. :-) Jim's old Mac had the same kind of SCSI connector. You probably never looked closely at it at an early Geekathon. Or maybe he only brought it to the first one and brought the Outbound the next few years. Anyway, the upgrades for the 128K and 512K[E] models which provided a SCSI port, typically routed the ribbon cable around the edge of the battery compartment. A few ran the cable over the floppy connector. The more elegant ones actually provided a replacement battery compartment cover which had the DB25 connector (awww, back to the topic) mounted in the plastic cover. One removed the old battery compartment cover, routed the SCSI ribbon cable out of the case around the edge of the battery compartment and secured the new cover over the battery compartment, which gave one a DB25 connector mounted over the battery compartment. There were several SCSI upgrades for those old machines. The SCSI-only upgrades usually plugged into the ROM sockets, provided sockets on top of the upgrade daughter board for the two ROM chips and then bore a 53C80 and ribbon header. There might have been a bit more logic, but not much. IIRC, they did require that the host machine be upgraded to the later 512KE or Plus ROMs because the original 128K and 512K ROMs did not contain a SCSI port driver. Other upgrades provided additional memory as well and those typically required tapping all the CPU lines, so they either used a Killy Clip (clear plastic receptacle with embedded pins which fits snuggly over the 68000 DIP) which provided a double row of pins above the clip in the standard 64 pin DIP spacing, or they relied on headers soldered directly to the 68000 pins. My favorite was the NewLife brand upgrades because they provided eight SIMM sockets on the daughter board. If one had a 512KE, one could install the NewLife upgrade and add a SCSI port and eight SIMM sockets. Then two 1MB SIMMs and six 256KB SIMMs later, one had a 4MB (maximum) RAM equipped Mac Plus equivalent, which was supposedly somewhat faster for reasons I never really understood. The CPU ran at the same speed, but the Newlife guys claimed some part of their interface to the peripheral logic or maybe to the RAM was faster. The advantage of that memory arrangement was that back at that time (early 90s) 1 MB SIMMs were still close to $100 each, but 256KB SIMMs cost between free and $5, or $10 if one totally failed one's merchant skill. Jeff Walther

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SCSI/IDE laptop adapters: outcome

by mouse＠Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA

Back on August 25th, I wrote of a possible group buy of adapters to take a laptop IDE disk and use it in a machine expecting a laptop SCSI disk. One person (you know who you are, and thank you very much) wrote to one of these lists and named a vendor that carried them as of a day or two earlier (the post said something like "I just ordered a few more"); interestingly enough, it was the very vendor who had denied all knowledge of them on the phone to me: MCE Technologies, LLC, mcetech.com, +1 949 458 0800, or, in the NANPA, 1-800-500-0622. (I can't speak to the validity of the 949-458-0800 number; I used the 800-500-0622 number when calling as outlined below.) However, this post also named an MCE Tech part number for them ("sta-idescsi25", and indeed the invoice copy packed with the devices says "STA-IDESCSI25" in the "Item No." column). So I called them again, and, not letting on I'd called before, asked about them by that number. They said they had some in stock, so I ordered two. They arrived today, and as far as I can tell are exactly what I wanted: I have a Toshiba laptop IDE drive of slightly over 4G in my Voyager right now using one of them. I did hear from some people wanting into the group buy. MCE said on the phone that they ship worldwide (they use FedEx, or at least they did for me), and their price of (US)$20 is enough below the $65 I was expecting to pay that I daresay anyone who was willing to join the group buy can just order directly and still come out ahead. (Usual disclaimers apply - I have no relationship with them other than that of customer with supplier, etc.) They did get one thing wrong: they asked whether I'd rather have express or ground shipping, and I'm quite sure I said ground, but they shipped express anyway. The extra cost was a little annoying, but still got me two of them for about what I was expecting to pay for one, so I'm not kicking - but anyone who wants non-express shipping might want to be fairly emphatic about it. (As before, I'm setting a reply-to to a bitbucket; please fix up your to-line if you're replying, to point to the list or person to whom you intend to reply.) /~\ The ASCII der Mouse \ / Ribbon Campaign X Against HTML mouse at rodents.montreal.qc.ca / \ Email! 7D C8 61 52 5D E7 2D 39 4E F1 31 3E E8 B3 27 4B

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British Computers

by pcoghlan+cctech＠vms.eurokom.ie

> I was going to ask about Irish machines and see that James got there > first; did Ireland ever make any micros? Several multinationals had or have a presence in Ireland including: Amdahl Apple Dell Digital EMC Fujitsu Siemens Gateway HP IBM Memorex Many of these built computers or peripherals here for the European market. However, it is pretty much the same as equipment thats found everywhere else in the world. I am not aware of anything that could be regarded as being uniquely Irish in the same way that for example Acorn kit could be regarded as being British. Intel also have a large manufacturing presence here as have/had Analog Devices and Motorola (although I think Motorolas operation here was more involved in mobile phones) so unfortunately we're responsible for the production of lots of x86 type microprocessors. I hope none of them were designed here, especially the ones that couldn't divide accurately :-) > >Many an Apple was made in their factory in Cork. > I was disappointed to find that my Mac SE from Cork doesn't have any signatures inside the case so I guess they didn't copy the case moulds used in the US. Regards, Peter.

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D-shell sizes

by mtapley＠swri.edu

<Hangs head in shame> I am *so* sorry - I left off the correct letter (thought it was "B", just wasn't sure) in hopes of *avoiding* kicking off the annual D-shell connector nomenclature thread. Have we dug up the horse bones, beat them into flour, baked the flour into bread, and punched it down enough now? Guess not. I'll add to the mess: At 13:54 -0500 9/5/07, der Mouse wrote: >I have a machine somewhere that uses 3W3 - basically, 13W3 without the >ten individual pins, and the shell shrunk correspondingly, to about DA >size (it's at home and I'm not, so I can't be precise about the shell >size). My DEC VAX4000VLC uses a connector that sounds just like that for video output. <Sigh> -- - Mark, 210-379-4635 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Large Asteroids headed toward planets inhabited by beings that don't have technology adequate to stop them: Think of it as Evolution in Fast-Forward.

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D-shell sizes

by wdonzelli＠gmail.com

> I am *so* sorry - I left off the correct letter (thought it was "B", > just wasn't sure) in hopes of *avoiding* kicking off the annual > D-shell connector nomenclature thread. Thats OK. I forgive you. So far, over the years NOBODY has managed to give the proper nomenclature. I suggest anyone interested should look up the mil standard. It tells all. -- Will, who has nothing more to add to this annual time waster.

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8k Mac development environments

by aek＠bitsavers.org

> There's a set of those at a downtown bookstore The entire set was distributed as PDF's on a CD. I wouldn't bother with the dead tree version. There was also an overview volume added in the later versions. and > MPW (Macintosh Programmer's Workshop?) hasn't been mentioned yet; > that was the Apple-supported environment, but rarely held up as a > standard of usability. We used it for all system development 'til the switch to OSX. Think of what the Mac would have been with a command line interface, and you have MPW. Code management (projector) was OK, but had some nasty constraints when building big projects. The big problem with all the 68K programming environments for the Mac is A5 relative addressing, creating a segmented 64K environment on a machine that originally had a flat address space. That was the big thing we changed on PPC machines.

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IBM Radio PC's

by chrism3667＠yahoo.com

I haven't yet laid my hands on them, idiot eBay vendors keep using my stored address instead of sending it where I tell them, but I have a couple of these. Info seems a little hard to find. Used an 80c186 so arguably they're on topic. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. http://travel.yahoo.com/

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train to Boston (MIT)

by chrism3667＠yahoo.com

I suppose I could just drive and save myself the headaches. And looking at some of these websites and just trying to find a freaking schedule, aside from the crap about scheduled getaways and WHATEVER THE FRIG, can someone tell me (who's done it) if it's practical to get to Boston from NYC by train? Amtrak is just to expensive (~120$ round trip). I doubt sincerely that anyone on this list would have done this, so I guess I'll be driving. I hear Massachusetts people have lost the ability (as if they ever had it) to drive... Metro north only goes as far as Waterbury, CT, so I guess you get off there and start thumbing??? ____________________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC

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8k Mac development environments

by ethan.dicks＠gmail.com

On 9/5/07, Mark Tapley <mtapley at swri.edu> wrote: > Also in the "you should know about" category is "Inside Macintosh", > the Apple manual set for how to write Mac Applications, of which the > oft-quoted description is "(n > 10) volumes, to understand the > content of any one of which you have to have already read the other > (n-1)". There's a set of those at a downtown bookstore in Madison, WI, but the individual volumes are priced at more than a few dollars each. I don't know the exact total, but I would suspect that you'd need to show up with between $80-$120 to walk away with the 8-10 volumes. They are moving soon, so perhaps they'd bargain... -ethan

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Slightly rare Mac 512k with D(?)-25 connector

by ethan.dicks＠gmail.com

On 9/5/07, Mark Tapley <mtapley at swri.edu> wrote: > All, > spotted in the San Antonio Goodwill Computerworks: > > A Mac 512k, but with a minor difference. On the back side, > above where the power switch normally is and far away from the rest > of the connectors, is a 25-pin D connector reminscent of the Mac > "SCSI" connectors on Mac Plus and other machines. I did not > disassemble or power up the machine (no KB or Mouse in evidence), so > I don't know what it is. Could be SCSI. I have one myself - it was one of the 512K Macs my mother used in the mid 1980s for her typing and typesetting shop. I upgraded that one to a 512Ke (double-sided floppies and replacement ROMs), then installed a "Dove Snap" 512K and SCSI expansion. You removed the 512K mobo, then positioned the Dove Snap over the right part of the mobo, then pressed down with a *large* amount of force to "snap" the expansion board connectors right over the legs of chips on the mobo. Think of a bunch of 5mm-tall Gompers Clips and you aren't too far off. I don't recall what pins were tapped, but it was certainly all the necessary signals >from the memory field to refresh another 512K. There must have been some unused memory select on a 74LS138 or something to enable the new memory, and probably the 5380 SCSI chip. The connector for this one was on the back of the battery door - you removed the factory battery door, threaded a 24-pin cable through the back of the battery compartment, then plugged it into the Dove Snap before reassembling the case. In effect, the Dove Snap turned her 512Ke into a Mac Plus, with DE9 serial/printer connectors. She was using Farallon PhoneNet, with a networked Apple LaserWriter, so the lack of DIN serial/network didn't matter. This was all in the 1985-1989 timeframe - I was happy to be her in-house Mac hardware dude, especially since it meant that I had a key and could work on papers after hours with, in effect, a personal laser printer. If you think back to those days, that was a nice perk. (We also used to go over and play NetTrek on her collection of 512Kes and Pluses and SEs, but the laser printer was what really did it for me). > Don't know whether they'll pak/n/ship. They were asking $5 > for the machine. If you don't already have a 512K machine, that certainly sounds cheap. Keyboards and mice shouldn't be hard to find. > Forgotten what the correct designation for those D-connectors > is, and wanted to get this out fast in case anyone wants it. Mac SCSI is a DB25F - it's one of those times when it _really_ is a DB connector. -ethan

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8k Mac development environments

by mtapley＠swri.edu

At 9:48 -0500 9/5/07, Trag wrote: > Later, they based >their examples on Codewarrior, but Codewarrior arose around the time of >the PPC era, so Think C is probably the better choice. I'm pretty sure >that early Codewarrior included the ability to compile for 68000, but I'm >not certain and if you're developing on the IIfx, Codewarrior might be a >bit cycle hungry. I can pretty much confirm this. CodeWarrior is a thing of beauty, but it's a thing of beauty with a substantial disk footprint. 411 MB for a full install, literally thousands of files. It seems fast on my PB3400, but I don't think that much speaks to its usability on a IIfx. Turbo Pascal rocks on the Mac Plus, FWIW; I'd expect Turbo C to be roughly as good but don't know from experience. MPW (Macintosh Programmer's Workshop?) hasn't been mentioned yet; that was the Apple-supported environment, but rarely held up as a standard of usability. http://developer.apple.com/tools/mpw-tools/ Also in the "you should know about" category is "Inside Macintosh", the Apple manual set for how to write Mac Applications, of which the oft-quoted description is "(n > 10) volumes, to understand the content of any one of which you have to have already read the other (n-1)". I think at least some of the content is available at http://developer.apple.com/documentation/macos8/mac8.html Good luck! -- - Mark, 210-379-4635 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Large Asteroids headed toward planets inhabited by beings that don't have technology adequate to stop them: Think of it as Evolution in Fast-Forward.

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8k Mac development environments

by trag＠io.com

> Message: 16 > Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007 19:36:41 -0700 > From: Josh Dersch <derschjo at msu.edu> > Subject: 68k Mac development environments > I'm looking to do a bit of (simple) development targeting a 68k Mac (or > two, or three, or six...) and since I've never done any programming on a > Mac before I'm curious if anyone out there has any recommendations for a > development environment to use or to avoid. I'd prefer C/C++, but I'm > flexible :). I'd like to be able to run my code on a Mac Classic/SE (so > I need to be able to compile to 68000 code) but I'll be doing the > development itself on a IIfx. > You might look around for a copy of Think C 5.x by Symantec (It's on 4 floppies). It had a great reputation in its day and some of the learning books used examples which were based on Think C's IDE. Later, they based their examples on Codewarrior, but Codewarrior arose around the time of the PPC era, so Think C is probably the better choice. I'm pretty sure that early Codewarrior included the ability to compile for 68000, but I'm not certain and if you're developing on the IIfx, Codewarrior might be a bit cycle hungry. Jeff Walther

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British Computers

by RodSmallwood＠mail.ediconsulting.co.uk

Well trust me to forget Mentec. They have gone very quiet. I doubt they have made (or have had made) any processor boards in a while. Pity ... But there it is.. Rod -----Original Message----- From: cctech-bounces at classiccmp.org [mailto:cctech-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of David Cantrell Sent: 05 September 2007 12:02 To: General Discussion: On-Topic Posts Only Subject: Re: British Computers On Mon, Sep 03, 2007 at 01:57:12PM +0100, Peter Coghlan wrote: > Several multinationals had or have a presence in Ireland ... > > Many of these built computers or peripherals here for the European market. > However, it is pretty much the same as equipment thats found > everywhere else in the world. I am not aware of anything that could be > regarded as being uniquely Irish in the same way that for example > Acorn kit could be regarded as being British. I'd be inclined to count the Mentec PDP-11s, even though they didn't create them to start with. -- David Cantrell | Godless Liberal Elitist When a man is tired of London, he is tired of life -- Samuel Johnson

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train to Boston (MIT)

by tshoppa＠wmata.com

Chris M asks: > if it's practical to get to Boston from NYC by train? The northeast corridor is the best train service in the US between Boston/NYC/ Washington downtowns and a number of the suburbs. > Amtrak is just to expensive (~120$ round trip). Having to go up and down between downtown Washington and NYC for work, Amtrak is way too convenient compared to airline travel. There's no friggin way I'm ever gonna sit on a runway at LaGuardia for hours again. For getting between NYC/Boston/Washington very very cheaply, google up "chinatown bus". Most make some stops in the Bronx, the burbs, etc. The bus stops are frequently just people sitting on their luggage in the streets, and the operations may seem a little shady, but a lot of people on a budget go this way. Tim.

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British Computers.

by RodSmallwood＠mail.ediconsulting.co.uk

Now for something a bit more serious. I have been building up my collection of DEC equipment. The vast majority of it works at least to a level where it passes the diagnostics. DEC equipment was always well built. The OEM market installed DEC equipment in all kinds of bad environments. As the equipment is robust you can be fairly heavy on the cleaning side. The yellowing on VT series cases responds to a Brillo Pad No, it does not scratch it for the same reason they use wire wool and turpentine on antique furniture On LK series keyboards you can remove the key caps put then in a bucket and zap with a power washer. No, the letters will not come off they are two part moulded. The letter is part of the plastic. Whilst I don't travel much these days. (Broadband means I can get to a customers system in seconds) I must make an effort to come up to BP. Rod Smallwood -----Original Message----- From: cctech-bounces at classiccmp.org [mailto:cctech-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Jules Richardson Sent: 05 September 2007 01:24 To: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Re: British Computers. Rod Smallwood wrote: > So I can come along sit down and start knocking out some code then? > That might cause a crowd to collect. Then something dynamic. > Line printers thumping away, Paper tape reader on a long loop. > Tape punch doing a Woody Woodpecker. IBM 029 doing verify. > Two security guys dragging me out of the building. > The visitors would love that!! Heh :-) Being as hands-on as possible is still one of our primary goals - although there's always going to be caveats on what's left running, or what level of supervision any given system has of course, but for the majority of machines we actively encourage people to sit down and have a play. The best will in the world probably isn't going to keep this stuff operational much beyond a few decades, and I'm not sure if anyone really knows what's going to happen to the plastics a few more decades beyond that; whilst we have a duty to store inactive systems for future generations, it also seems wise to let people extract maximum enjoyment out of these systems now whilst they still can... cheers Jules

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British Computers

by RodSmallwood＠mail.ediconsulting.co.uk

DEC Did indeed make systems in Ireland. There where two plants one in Galway and something else at Clonmel I went to Galway loads of times. It was a big FA&T operation assembling 11/34's, 11/70's etc. VAX I suppose later. I think Clonmel was a software duplicating and packing operation for Europe. There was also a plant at Ayr in Scotland. The Scottish plant was called Silicon Glen and the Irish one Silicon Bog. Rod -----Original Message----- From: cctech-bounces at classiccmp.org [mailto:cctech-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Roger Holmes Sent: 02 September 2007 23:35 To: cctalk at classiccmp.org Subject: Re: British Computers > >> I was going to ask about Irish machines and see that James got there >> first; did Ireland ever make any micros? > > I thought I read on some faq that DEC had some computers made in > Ireland. > I think potatoes not puters when it comes to Ireland Many an Apple was made in their factory in Cork.

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British Computers.

by RodSmallwood＠mail.ediconsulting.co.uk

Seriously though.a lecture plus demo of programming (next performance 3:30) Might enhance things a bit. Rod -----Original Message----- From: cctech-bounces at classiccmp.org [mailto:cctech-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of woodelf Sent: 04 September 2007 20:46 To: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Re: British Computers. Rod Smallwood wrote: > So I can come along sit down and start knocking out some code then? > That might cause a crowd to collect. Then something dynamic. > Line printers thumping away, Paper tape reader on a long loop. > Tape punch doing a Woody Woodpecker. IBM 029 doing verify. > Two security guys dragging me out of the building. > The visitors would love that!! > > Rod Well if you have Hard Drives Dancing to music from the *DISCO* panel lights, I am sure you would have I nice padded cell waiting for you as well. Ben Alias Woodelf PS.With Broadcast Band Valve Radio Blasting away the DISCO music from the CPU,I guess the security just don't like music. :)

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Bug reports

by tpeters＠mixcom.com

I found this in my ancient documents collection. Thought it might have some reminiscence value. WORDSTAR 5.5 PROBLEM REPORTS Ed Zollars [72235,1234] Date: June 25, 1989 The following file summarizes some of the possible bug reports and undocumented features in the WordStar 5.5 editor. These listings apply to Revision A of WordStar 5.5 and represent only a summary of those items reported on the WordStar Forum on Compuserve. If you find any errors in this document, or believe you have found something else that should be included in this document, please post a message on the WordStar forum on Compuserve and I will work it into a new file. This file only summarizes problems and undocumented features with the editor itself--I have not attempted to describe possible problems with the printer drivers. I have attempted to give credit to the individuals who first posted the problem or undocumented feature on the WordStar forum--I apologize to anyone I left off. This file is meant to serve the same purpose for WordStar 5.5 that the BUGS.WS4 file written by Robert J. Sawyer did for WordStar 4, and that BUGWS5.COM does for WordStar 5.0. ---------------------------------------------------------------- BUGS AND DOCUMENTATION ERRORS ---------------------------------------------------------------- ADVANCED PAGE PREVIEW SHOWS LINE HEIGHT CHANGES TAKING PLACE ONE LINE HIGHER THAN THEY ACTUALLY DO: (Reported by Kurt Gebauer) Problem: Advanced Page preview shows a line height change as taking place one line before it actually will during printing. A line height command will actually control the amount of space after the line following the command--APP shows it as affecting the line preceding the command. ADVANCED PAGE PREVIEW WILL RESET A HERCULES INCOLOR CARD TO MONOCHROME MODE: (Reported by Gary Gibson) Problem: The README file indicates that you set colors for a Hercules InColor Card by using the PALETTE.COM program prior to entering WordStar. This will work just fine until the user enters page preview using ^OP. At that point the card will be reset to monochrome. AUTOMATIC LEADING DOES NOT CHANGE LINE HEIGHTS ON THE PROPER LINE: (Reported by Kurt Gebauer) Problem: When using automatic leading (.LH AUTO), line height changes on the line AFTER a font change is made, which is one line after it should in order to maintain proper spacing. Workaround: Trick WS55 by placing a font change on the end of the line before the line you want to use the new font. That will cause WordStar to use the proper spacing. WordStar International reports that this problem will be corrected in Revision C of the program, to be released at the beginning of July. AUTOPATCHING FROM A WORDSTAR 5.0 COPY WITHOUT REMOVING CERTAIN LABELS CAN CAUSE LOSS OF FILES: (Reported by James Burton/WordStar International) Problem: The following is taken directly from a message posted by James Burton. CAUTION must be used when creating a patch file in WordStar 5.0 and reading it into WordStar 5.5 with the Auto-Patcher in WSCHANGE. Some labels from WordStar 5.0 are obsolete and should be removed from a WordStar 5.0 patch file before it is read into 5.5; there is a list of these labels in README Section 20.2.1. One problem related to this: ^KQ can sometimes delete a file if WordStar 5.5 has been patched indiscriminately from a WordStar 5.0 Auto-Patch file. CURSOR POSITIONING FOR PROMPTS IS ERRATIC IN ROM BIOS MODE: (Reported by Chuck Christenson) Problem: The following description of a problem was posted by Chuck Christenson: On my HP150 (running in ROM BIOS mode), when a prompt is displayed onscreen, the cursor is typically positioned somewhere to the southeast of the field in which the response is supposed to be typed, and the response character is displayed onscreen where the cursor is positioned. This is sometimes cleared up when the screen is refreshed after the response is entered, and in any case can be cleared up by using ^\. CURSOR IS IMPROPERLY POSITIONED ON THE SCREEN FOLLOWING A GLOBAL REFORM: Problem: Following a global reform (^QU), the cursor is positioned at the top left corner of the screen, rather than at the end of the file. The cursor also refuses to respond to most positioning commands. Workaround: Press ^\ after doing a global reform. WSI is aware of this problem, and has announced that it should be fixed in the first inline release due at the end of June. CURSOR SIZING AND OVERWRITE MODE (Reported by Jim Gainsley) Problem: WordStar 5.5 includes a feature to set the cursor to differing sizes depending upon whether insert mode is on or off. Unfortunately, if insert mode is set off as the default, WordStar 5.5 won't set the cursor to the correct size upon entry into WordStar. The cursor will also be set to the incorrect size if you use Advanced Page Preview or run a DOS command while insert is set off. Workaround: If the cursor is out of synch, pressing ^V or insert twice will bring it back into agreement with the state of the insert mode. WSEX for WordStar 5.5 (a copyrighted free program available in Library 4 of the WordStar Forum on Compuserve) will fix this bug in most situations. WSI has announced that this bug should be fixed in the Revison C inline for WordStar 5.5, due out at the end of June. DELETING TO THE LEFT OF THE LINE (^Q<DEL>) ON A LINE IMMEDIATELY BEFORE A PAGE BREAK CAN CAUSE THE LOSS OF THE LINE IMMEDIATELY ABOVE THE PAGE BREAK: (Reported by Roger Mayer) Problem: Attempting to delete to the left of the cursor on the line before a page break can result in WS deleting both the characters to the left of the cursor and the line above the page break. Also, the page break itself will disappear and can only be brought back with ^QR/^QP. Workaround: No real workaround except to remember to hit ^U to restore the deleted text if this happens to you. DISPLAY OF ENHANCEMENTS ON THE SCREEN IS IN ERROR WHEN A PRINT CONTROL IS WRAPPED ONTO COLUMN ONE: (Reported by Daniel A. Murphy) Problem: If you are editing a document and a print control code gets wrapped into the column one (as will happen if the first word affected by code happens to come at the beginning of the line), WordStar will display the wrong attributes on the screen for the code in question. For instance, if the code is a ^S for underlining, all the text on the screen that isn't going to be printed with underlines will be displayed with underling. Workaround: Hit ^\ when this happens. That causes WS to redraw the screen. When WS does that, it will "notice" the problem and correct it. EDITING A DOCUMENT FILE THAT USES STYLES IN NONDOCUMENT MODE WILL CAUSE A SYSTEM CRASH: Problem: If you open a document file in nondocument mode in WordStar, the program will freeze as you attempt to cursor past a style setting. WSI has acknowledged this problem and has announced plans to correct it in the Revision C inline upgrade for WS5.5, due out at approximately the end of June. ENTERING A LINE HEIGHT COMMAND IMMEDIATELY BEFORE A CONDITIONAL PAGE BREAK WILL CAUSE A CRASH: (Reported by James Burton/WordStar International) Problem: If you attempt to enter a line height command immediately before a conditional page break, the program will crash with a Divide Overflow. Note also that attempting to edit a line height command immediately preceding a conditional page break could cause the same problem. Workaround: Comment out the conditional page break before editing the line height command. It is best to move the line height command way from that position if at all possible, or to use a style to replace the line height command. WSI has acknowledged this problem and has announced plans to correct it in the Revision C inline upgrade for WS5.5, due out at approximately the end of June. FOOTNOTE SEPARATOR CANNOT BE SET TO AN UPPER ASCII (> 128) VALUE IN WSCHANGE. (Reported by Robert Vanatta) Problem: If you attempt to use a character in the upper ASCII set (like the line drawing horizontal bar) as your footnote separator, WS will strip off the high bit and treat the character as its lower ASCII equivalent. FINAL PAGE OF A DOCUMENT IS NOT EJECTED IN SOME CASES: (Reported by Robert H. Herrin) Problem: If pause between pages is turned on when printing, WordStar will not eject the last page (at least when using certain daisy wheel printers). FUNCTION KEY LABELS DISAPPEAR AFTER SELECTING A PRINTER: (Reported by Jerry Cudmore) Problem: When a printer is selected with ^P?, the function key labels will disappear from the bottom of the screen. Workaround: Hit ^\ to force a repainting of the screen. The function key labels will reappear. This problem has been acknowledged by WSI, and is supposed to be fixed in the Revision C inline version of WS5.5, due out at the end of June. GLOBAL REFORM WILL NOT UPDATE THE SCREEN WHILE RUNNING EVEN IF THE OPTION IS SET IN WSCHANGE: (Reported by Robert Vannatta) Problem: If you turn on the option in WSCHANGE to cause WS to not suppress the display when doing a global reform (^QU), the program will not properly show the reform taking place. While the cursor will move up and down the screen, no text will be rewritten. Workaround: None. This problem has been acknowledged by WordStar International and will be fixed in the Revision C inline upgrade to WS5.5, which should be released at the beginning of July. HIGH BITS ARE BEING STRIPPED OFF FILES WHEN THEY ARE SAVED FROM NONDOCUMENT MODE: (Reported by Robert J. Sawyer) Problem: If you load a file that contains "high bit" characters (ECS characters) that aren't surrounded by the appropriate WS document mode fence characters (such as a file downloaded from a BBS), WS will strip off the high bits when it saves the file. Note that WS has always displayed such characters as if the high bits were gone, but it used to still save the high bits unless you explicitly issued a ^QU to clear those bits. Workaround: The following patch was posted by James Burton of WordStar International on the forum to fix this problem: You reported that nondocument mode was stripping high bits on saving. I've been provided with a patch for that effect, to wit: REN WS.EXE WS DEBUG WS -R (Check the DS register and add 2000 to its value,.ie., 3237+2000=5237. Let nnnn = the result). -E nnnn:74B0 <ENTER> (you'll see): .7F . (Enter): FF -W -Q Rename the file back to WS.EXE and you should be fixed. This problem is also fixed in the current version of WSEX that is available in Library 4 of the WordStar forum on Compuserve. WordStar International has acknowledged this problem, and it will be fixed in the Revision C inline that will be available at the beginning of July. HIJAAK TRANSLATED GRAPHICS FILES SOMETIMES CAN'T BE DISPLAYED BY PAGE PREVIEW: (Reported by Robert J. Sawyer) Problem: Some Hijaak translated files (some TIFF format files have been implicated) will not be displayed in APP, and instead you will receive an improper graphic format complaint. The graphic will print fine, and you can use Inset to preview the graphic on the text screen. ITALICIZING TEXT THAT HAS BEEN BOLDED WITH A STYLE DOES NOT WORK CONSISTENTLY: (Reported by Robert J. Sawyer) Problem: If text has been set to boldface by using a style, you may not get italicized text if you attempt to set italics with ^PY. Workaround: If you encounter this situation, use hard formatting (^PB) to set boldface rather than using the style. WordStar International has acknowledged the problem, and this will be corrected in the Revision C inline upgrade available at the beginning of July. LEFT MARGIN SET TO LARGE NUMBER THAT IS WIDER THAN THE RIGHT MARGIN WILL RESULT IN AN INFINITE RIGHT MARGIN WHEN LEFT MARGIN IS CORRECTED: (Reported by Mark Peterson) Problem: If you happen to enter a large left margin value (such as 150) that is greater than the right margin, WordStar will reset the right margin to an infinite length. This can easily happen if you work with insert on and go to the dot command line to change the left margin. For instance, if you typed in ".LM 10" as your original right margin command, then went back to change it to 20, you might place your cursor on the 1, type a 2 and then delete the 1. When you do this, you will find your right margin has been reset to an infinite length. Workaround: Return to the top of the file (^QR) then return to your old edit position (^QP). This will force WS to reread the dot commands and set its margins accordingly. LINES IN THE MIDDLE OF PARAGRAPHS IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING A PAGE BREAK ARE MISALIGNED AT TIMES ON THE SCREEN: (Reported by Peter Mierau) Problem: If a paragraph spans a page break and the left margin is set to a value other than zero, the first line following the page will be offset approximately twice as much as it should be to the left on the screen. The printout is not affected, and Advanced Page Preview shows that the line is properly aligned. This doesn't always happen when reforming across a page break, but will eventually appear if you edit the paragraph. Workaround: You can force WS to move the line back if you want the onscreen display to be correct. Turn on soft space display (^OB) and print control code display (^OD). You will see two "tabs" to the left of the first character. Go to the left margin and delete BOTH of them--WS should reform the line with just one of these characters. WordStar International has acknowledged this problem and it should be fixed in the Revision C inline upgrade, to be available in early July. LOGGING ONTO A NEW DIRECTORY WHILE EDITING A DOCUMENT FOR THE FIRST TIME WILL CAUSE THE FILE TO BE SAVED IMPROPERLY: (Reported by Robert J. Sawyer) Problem: If the directory is changed with ^KL while editing a brand new document that has not previously been saved, exiting the document with ^KD will cause the document to be saved with the proper filename, but with the temporary file extension of $B$. That name will flash briefly on the status line during the save when this problem is encountered. The $B$ file will not be visible in a WordStar directory listing (unless the default exclusion list has been changed). Attempting to edit this file will cause an immediate loss of the information in the file. This problem has also been reported by other users in slightly different circumstances. Workaround: If you do create the $B$ file, rename the file and then edit it as normal in WordStar. You can protect yourself from deleting the file accidentally by setting up WordStar through WSCHANGE as if it is being used on a multiuser system--then when it detects the presence of the $B$ files, it will refuse to edit the file. PAGE PREVIEW AT TIMES SHOWS THE WRONG FONT WHEN THIRD PARTY FONTS ARE ADDED: (Reported by Robert J. Sawyer) Problem: At times, Page Preview will show a number of your third party fonts which you have generated screen for as the same font in the preview page. Workaround: From a message left by Richard Zuris of WordStar International: Page Preview gets confused by some fonts and puts in the wrong font code in FONTID.CTL. The font code is a four- character hexademinal word that comes at the end of the line where the font is listed in FONTID. This number is supposed to be read from the PDF. You can read it from the PDF and straighten FONTID out yourself. In PDFEDIT, select Typestyle/font information, choose a typeface, then hit enter on "Key (# and characteristics)." This reveals the font code, which can be used in FONTID to replace the incorrect number the. The symptom of having wrong font codes in FONTID is that all of your third-party (i.e., LSRFONTS-generated) fonts will display in Preview with the style/face of whatever the LAST font is in the FONTID list. PARAGRAPH NUMBERING SOMETIMES SHOWS IMPROPER NUMBERS ON THE SCREEN: (Reported by Thomas J. River) Problem: At times, the paragraph numbers shown on the screen contain incorrect values. Workaround: Go out to Page Preview or go to the top of the file and return (^QR^QP). That should restore the proper onscreen numbering. PHRASES MARKED FOR INDEXING WITH ^PK THAT WRAP OVER TWO LINES WHERE THE LEFT MARGIN IS NOT 1 WILL NOT INDEX PROPERLY: (Reported by Robert J. Sawyer) Problem: If the left margin is set to a value other than one and ^PK is used to mark a phrase for indexing, a problem can occur if the phrase is split over two lines. Workaround: Use ^ONI to indicate phrase index entries in areas of text where the left margin will be other than 1. PRCHANGE WILL NOT GENERATE PROPER SCREEN FONTS IF A FONT IS AVAILABLE ONLY IN BOLDFACE: (Reported by Robert J. Sawyer) Problem: If you allow PRCHANGE to generate screen fonts in a case where some of the fonts are available only in boldface, you will lose the ability to display any fonts in boldface in page preview. Workaround: First install only those fonts that have standard weight fonts available. Generate those screen fonts and exit PRCHANGE. Later, reenter PRCHANGE and add the other fonts. DO NOT generate screen fonts for these fonts, but instead use the defaults. PREVIEW CRASHES IF INSET IS LOADED AND A GRAPHIC EXISTS ON THE PAGE: (Reported by Robert P. Vannatta) Problem: If Inset has been loaded as a TSR (from the DOS command line and not using ^P&), attempting to preview a graphic will cause WS to lock up, requiring a reboot. Workaround: Inset should not be loaded as a TSR when working inside WordStar. PRINT COMMAND SOMETIMES FAILS TO WORK ON COMPLICATED DOCUMENTS: Problem: The "P"rint command from the main menu sometimes fails when confronted with a complicated document to print. For example, most users have had problems using the "P"rint command to print out the WSEX 1.05 documentation. The program will freeze at certain points in the printing process, requiring a reboot. Workaround: Use the merge command to print the file. Merge has not had the problems the print command has had in printing the files. As a practical matter, the merge command can be used as the "standard" printing system for WS5.5, unless you intentionally want to supress the action of merge commands. PRINTING WHEN THERE IS A "MODE=LPT1:,,p" IN EFFECT WILL CAUSE A SYSTEM HANG: Problem: If your AUTOEXEC.BAT file contains a MODE setting for LPT1 that includes the "p" parameter or you later invoke that command while working with your computer, WordStar will hang when you attempt to print. Workaround: Don't use the MODE command in this manner. WSI has announced that this bug will be fixed in the first inline for WordStar 5.5 (scheduled for the end of June). RECURSIVE MACROS CANNOT BE EXITED WITH ^U IN SOME CIRCUMSTANCES: (Reported by Jerry Cudmore) Problem: If WordStar is given a macro that calls itself (a recursive macro), you may not be able to stop execution the macro with ^U and will find that the only way out is to reboot the machine. Workaround: Put a ^P<space> in the repeating portion of the macro. During the execution of that command, WS will check the keyboard buffer for a ^U. Since the command does nothing, it has no real effect on the macro. SEARCHING FOR A CARRIAGE RETURN BY ITSELF CAUSES AN UNUSUAL DISPLAY IF THE FOUND CARRIAGE RETURN IS AT THE END OF A PAGE: (Reported by Robert J. Sawyer) Problem: If the search function is looking for a bare carriage return (^M^J), when it finds one at the end of a page the display will be corrupted. Workaround: Press ^\ when the display is corrupted--the actual text in your file has not been damaged, and ^\ will update the screen to reflect this fact. SETTING EDITING VALUES IN WSCHANGE APPEARS TO HAVE NO EFFECT: (Reported by James Burton/WordStar International) Problem: The following comment was posted by James Burton on the forum message board: Resetting some default values in WSCHANGE will appear to have no effect while editing. This is because the Body Text Paragraph Style currently overrides those settings (left and right margins, tabs, default font, etc.). To set defaults for those parameters, make the changes to the Body Text Style and save them to the library. This is covered on the OOPS sheet that came with the package. SETTING THE HELP LEVEL TO AN ERRONEOUS VALUE CAUSES AN ERRONEOUS ERROR MESSAGE TO BE ISSUED: (Reported by Robert J. Sawyer) Problem: If you type an invalid response (such as a letter) when attempting to change help levels using ^JJ, WordStar will respond with an error message that states "Only numbers and the + and - characters are valid". In fact, the + and - signs are also invalid. SOFT FORMATTING DOES NOT WORK (Reported by Elias Davis) Problem: If you have turned off the insertion of dot commands in WSCHANGE, WordStar will not change margins when you exit the tabs & margins dialogue box. Workaround: There really isn't one, except to go ahead and insert hard formatting codes into the document, or define and use a style. STYLES SOMETIMES DON'T TAKE EFFECT DEPENDING UPON THEIR POSITION IN THE LINE: (Reported by Robert J. Sawyer) Problem: Style sheet attributes sometimes don't take effect depending upon their position with regard to soft spaces in the line. Workaround: Try moving the style in the line if you encounter this problem. The best place to put a style code is at the beginning of a line. STAR EXCHANGE IGNORES STYLE SHEET SETTINGS: (Reported by Elias Davis) Problem: Star Exchange does not pick up changes that are made to a WordStar file through the use of styles. The last hard formatting command entered will control the translated formatting. Workaround: Any document that is to be shipped to another format using Star Exchange should be formatted with dot commands, and *not* with styles. TABS CANNOT BE CONVERTED FROM LEFT ALIGNED TO DECIMAL: (Reported by Jerry Cudmore) Problem: If a tab is first entered with the ruler line showing the tab as left aligned, changing the tab in the ruler line to a decimal tab will not cause the text to align correctly, even after reforming. Workaround: Delete the tab and reenter it. WSSETUP DOES NOT WORK CORRECTLY WITH DOS 4.0X IF SHARE.EXE IS LOADED: (Reported by John Jurewicz) Problem: DOS 4.0x users with large hard disk partitions (greater than 32 Meg.) have reported problems running WSSETUP. The conflict appears to be with the SHARE.EXE that DOS 4.0x loads to support the larger partition. WSSETUP will report that it can't find WINSTALL.HLP and won't recognize the Advanced Customization Disk. Workaround: The only way around this one is to do a manual installation, copying your files from the distribution disks to the hard drive. Some users have reported success by removing SHARE.EXE from their CONFIG.SYS and using DOS 4.0's automatic load (by having SHARE.EXE in the root directory). Apparently the automatic load does not cause conflicts with WSSETUP. WordStar International has acknowledged the problem, and the Revision C inline (due out at the beginning of July) should fix this problem with WSSETUP. ---------------------------------------------------------------- UNDOCUMENTED FEATURES ---------------------------------------------------------------- ^] TO REDUCE SIZE OF SECOND WINDOW (Reported by Robert J. Sawyer) Description: If you are using a help level of 3 or lower, you can use ^] to reduce the size of the second window. At help level 4 this command puts the cursor on the pull down window line (performs like Alt-Space). ^L IN DIALOGUE BOXES: (Reported by Robert J. Sawyer) Description: WordStar 5 will let you use ^L to move backwards through a dialogue box, in addition to the Shift-Tab command that is documented. ^O? DISPLAYS MEMORY USAGE: (Reported by Peter Mierau) Description: The undocumented ^O? command will display the amount of memory usage of WordStar while editing a document. In addition, it displays the current language in use and whether Inset is currently loaded. ^P1 - ^P9 FOR EXTENDED CHARACTERS: (Reported by Robert J. Sawyer) Description: In addition to using ^P0 to call up the ECS entry window, you can call up the window by hitting any of the other number keys after hitting ^P. The number you hit will be automatically entered as the first number in the dialogue box. ^Q~--SET INSERT MODE AND DON'T FLUSH BUFFER Description: When WS5 receives this command, it automatically turns insert on and disables the flushing of the keyboard buffer that WS normally does until the buffer is empty. This command is useful for external keyboard enhancers that need to be able to disable WS5's keyboard buffer flushing and want insert mode set on. This command is not new in WS5, but existed in Release 4. ^QU WILL CONVERT A FILE TO ASCII IN NONDOCUMENT MODE: (Reported by Chuck Christenson) Description: ^QU will remove the WS5 header from a document file, convert tabbed symmetrical sequences to spaces, remove all other symmetrical sequences and strip off any high bits set in the file. What it does not do is remove print control codes (like ^PB, ^PS, etc.). CONFIGURATION FILES CAN BE USED WITH WORDSTAR 5.5: (Reported by James Burton/WordStar International) Description: Beginning with the 09x releases of WordStar 5.0, configuration files were supported. These files allow you to put together various patched versions of WS without having to have an entire extra copy of WS on your hard drive. In Release 5.5 they appear to have disappeared again, but you can get them back. The steps to use are taken from a message from James Burton of WordStar International Corporation that is listed below: Run WINSTALL, select WSCHANGE. (Don't just run WSCHANGE). Select E for Patching. Hit "=", enter the label MPMFLG. Add 4 to the left digit of the first byte, i.e.: 30 +4 =70 Enter the result. Hit "." to display the change. Hit "X", "^X", and "Y" to exit and save changes. As you leave WSCHANGE, you'll hit the CFG selection screen. The current setup sort of locks you in to using CFG files, but I personally have not found this to be a burden. Additional information: CFG files cannot be used to define the default paths for WordStar. WS will continue to use the defaults that were set in the WS.EXE file before you switch to CFG files. DOUBLE UNDERLINING CAN BE FULLY IMPLEMENTED USING ".XX_": (Reported by Robert J. Sawyer) Description: The WordStar manual and the PRINT.TST file says that if the user sets the strikeout character to "_" and then surrounds the text to be double underlined with both ^X and ^S characters, the text will be double underlined. All that is necessary is the ^PX command--once you reassign the strikeout character to "_", WS will do all of the work of building a true double underline character. If you set your default in WSCHANGE to make the strikeout character "_", then by default ^PX will invoke double underlining. FILES CAN BE SELECTIVELY INCLUDED IN THE FILE DIRECTORY: (Reported by Peter Mierau) Description: If you want to include files with extensions listed in the NOTYPE table in the default directory rather than exclude them, you can patch the undocumented USETYP flag to do so. FONTID.CTL IS AN ASCII FILE THAT CAN BE EDITED USING NONDOCUMENT MODE TO CONTROL VARIOUS DEFAULTS IN ADVANCED PAGE PREVIEW: Description: The FONTID.CTL file that is copied to your hard disk during the installation of Advanced Page Preview is a pure ASCII file that can be edited in nondocument mode. This file allows setting the type of graphics adapter that WS should use (rather than allowing WS to autosense the adapter), the aspect ratio that should be used by APP for displaying text, the type of grid that should be displayed when on is requested (6 per inch, 10 per inch, or 4 per inch) and the page size. CAUTION: Do not allow edit this file in document mode--if you do, WordStar will most likely freeze at your first attempt to preview text. I would strongly suggest that you make a backup of the FONTID.CTL file before attempting to modify values in the file. LANGUAGE TABLES ENTRIES MUST BE INSTALLED FOR ALL MEMBERS OF A FONT FAMILY IF IT IS INSTALLED FOR ANY: (Reported by Jim Gainsley) Description: When using PDFEDIT to change a font, if a symbol set table is added for one variety of the font, it must be defined for all varieties of that font. Failure to do this will cause error messages to be generated at print time and possibly enter the printout. LINE HEIGHT CAN BE SET IN POINTS: (Reported by Ed Zollars) Description: Line height can be set in points by using the fact that WordStar allows mathematical equations to be placed in most dot commands. To set a line height in points, the following dot command is entered: .lh n/72" where n is replaced by an appropriate point value. LINE NUMBERING UNDOCUMENTED FEATURES: (Reported by Gary Gibson) Description: The following excerpt is from a message left by Gary Gibson on the forum about line numbering: 1. The last byte in the INIEDT patch area controls the line numbering defaults. PATCH.LST file's comments describe this, but they don't say that bits 0-6 of this byte control the DEFAULT value for the "spacing". As released, this value is zero. If set non-zero, all documents are line numbered by default UNLESS you turn it off (.l# 0) at the top of a page. Also, this isn't really "spacing", but an indication that for spacing=n, every nth line is numbered, the others just have the bars. The manual also shows only values 0, 1, and 2. Values up to 127 work just fine. 2. You can omit the "style" in the .l# command: .l# p1 and .l# 1 are the same. 3. Unusual "column" values have unusual results, like fractional values or a column value of 32768. MAILLIST CAN USE DEF FILES FROM THE OLD DATASTAR PROGRAM: (Reported by Phil Burnside and Ed Greenberg) Description: MailList can use the "DEF" files from the old DataStar program. You can also use FORMGEN to edit and create DEF files for MailList. DataStar was sold by itself and as part of the old InfoStar database package that MicroPro used to sell. MARGINS IN A DIALOGUE BOX CAN BE SET IN COLUMNS: (Reported by Peter Mierau) Description: If you add an "R" after the setting, WS5 will interpret your setting entered in the margins & tabs dialogue box as being expressed in characters. ONSCREEN JUSTIFICATION CAN BE SUPPRESSED WHILE STILL JUSTIFYING THE OUTPUT BY USING AN ALWAYS FALSE CONDITIONAL COMMAND: (Reported by Ed Zollars, based upon an idea discussed by Mojo Jones and Ed Greenberg for use with WordStar 2000) Description: The fact that WordStar doesn't evaluate conditional commands until print time can be used to suppress the onscreen display of justified text. The following dot commands will result in unjustified text appearing on the screen, but the output being justified. .OJ ON .IF 10#=5 .OJ OFF .EI This solution can also be used to set up onscreen rulers that allow all of the text to be seen on the screen, while actually using a different ruler for printing purposes. In that case, you probably will need to add a ".PF ON" command at the top of the file to force WordStar to reform the paragraphs at print time. "POINT AND SHOOT" WORKS TO CHANGE DIRECTORIES IN HELP LEVEL 4: (Reported by Ed Zollars) Description: If WordStar is working in help level 4, you can change the current directory from the opening menu by moving the cursor into the directory listing (using the down arrow or ^X). If you point at a directory name, WS will log onto that directory. If you point at a filename, WS will open it up to edit. Remember that selecting ".." directory in the directory display will take you back one level in the directory tree. RELATIVE VALUES ARE SUPPORTED IN A NUMBER OF DOT COMMANDS BESIDES THOSE LISTED IN THE MANUAL: (Reported by Gary Gibson) Description: You can use a "+" or "-" value for a number of dot commands besides the left margin and right margin dot commands that are documented. Specifically, you can change the line height by using "+" and "-" to change it relative to the last setting. SPELL CHECKS PERFORMED ON NONDOCUMENT FILES WILL CHECK DOT COMMANDS: (Reported by Robert Vannatta) Description: If you run the spelling check while in non-document mode, text in dot commands will be spell-checked. UNDOCUMENTED KEYS ON THE OPENING MENU: (Reported by Gary Gibson): Description: Although not listed on the menu, the H, W and Z keys will have certain affects when the Opening Menu is displayed. "H" will take you directly to the change help level screen (the equivalent of pressing "JJ" using the officially listed commands). Pressing W or Z will cause the file directory to scroll in the appropriate direction without having to hold down the control key. VERSION 5.0 PRINTER CAN BE USED WITH VERSION 5.5 WITH CERTAIN LIMITATIONS: (Reported by James Burton/WordStar International) Description: The following is from a message posted by James Burton on the forum: Can you use a WordStar 5.0 Printer Definition File (PDF) with WordStar 5.5? Yes, although there are limitations. First, you can't use the Auto Leading feature (.LH A) with these PDFs. Second, you can't use WordStar 5.5 PDFEDIT to edit them; the PDF format has changed slightly to accommodate the addition of previewed graphics. ----- 976. 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Chuck said: > Well, the 24v is used primarily for the head positioner and the head- > load solenoid, so its voltage isn't terribly critical. This is good to know. I admit, I haven't gone through the RX01 logic PCB schematics. You've saved me some trouble. Thanks. > If you want to feel secure with a regulated voltage, try putting > something like a 7824KC or 78H24 (2A, 24v) TO-3 regulator. But if > your RX01 has lasted this long without, it's probably not important. Yes. I'm probably not worried enough to do this. Like you said, if this 30-year old system has survived all these years so far, it's probably going to be okay (unlike an RD53 that just failed on me, but that's another story....). - Jared

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> IIRC, the 'raw DC' is unregulated, just rectified and smoothed from the > transformer. As is the 24V line. Both are about 1.7* what they should be. That's the strange thing to me. The two secondaries from the transformer (one for the 24V line, and the other for the 10V line [which sources the regulated 5V output]) are 'proper' at 27.8V and 11.2V, respectively. What I don't understand is how a 24V line can suddenly produce 42V! It's like something is 'pumping' the circuit, and I admit I have never studied how such things work. The funny thing is that the 5V regulation is working, even with 17V input instead of 10V. > It's gettign late, so I'll not find the prints tonight. But IIRC, the > transformer in this supply is a ferroresonant one, and that's what > stabilises the 'raw' and 24V lines. What happens if the capacitor hung > off that is defective? Fair point, but can a faulty capacitor 'pump' up the voltage like I'm seeing? > I suspect the last part is very ture. Actually replacing the faulty part > is the easy bit :-) Hey, thanks for your confidence! :-) I can use a little outside support! ;-) Let me add that this RX01 is the second of two RX01 units in this system. When I went through the first one a week ago, it checked out fine...that is I saw 25V/10.2v on the outputs, without a load. And you're not going to like this :-), but for an electronics novice, tonight I followed my instinct and swapped the regulator PCBs between units. Yup, the 'good' system's PCB now is putting out 42V and 17V! So, it's not the regulation circuit, I guess, or any component on the two system's PCBs. But after swapping the PS regulator PCBs, all that's left are the transformer (which appears to be putting out 'expected' voltages), a 660V AC capacitor thingy (which I obviously don't understand...is it part of the ferrroresonance?) that only connects back to the transformer itself, and the two smoothing caps (one for the 24V line and one for the 10V line). Is it possible that one/both caps are 'pumping' the circuit? <shrug> I'm just too novice to know. Another suggestion I received privately hints that putting a dummy load on the PS might bring it into line, and that I will try. I have access to an oscilloscope, and will put it on the thing, too, to see if I can discover anything strange. Thanks, Jared

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Reviving DEC RX01 power supply

by oldcpu2＠rogerwilco.org

> which is sqrt(2) times as large. sqrt(2)+27.8 is about 40V. Hmmm... Are > you sure those secondary voltages are reasoable? I think so. The printset doesn't seem to specify the transformer's secondary voltages, but reviewing my historical notes from other RX0? revivals, the 'normal' voltages are roughly 24 and 10. > voltage increases. But I could well believe a reasonably designed > regualtor would work correctly on double the input voltage, particularly > on no load. It appears that the DEC designer did his/her job well, then, on this particular PS! :) > > Another suggestion I received privately hints that putting a dummy load > > on the PS might bring it into line, and that I will try. I have access to an > Thing is, you havve an identical PSU that works without a dummy load (as, > BTW, do the ones in my RX01s and RX02s). I don't think you need a load on > this supply/ Point taken, but after swapping the 660v AC cap between the units this afternoon, and seeing no difference. The only real thing left is the transformer, but I can test it's output directly, and it's at the 'normal' levels. So, I guess it's a 'dynamic' issue, rather than a static one. Maybe the load does matter. I'm going to try that next. - Jared

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British Computers.

by RodSmallwood＠mail.ediconsulting.co.uk

So I can come along sit down and start knocking out some code then? That might cause a crowd to collect. Then something dynamic. Line printers thumping away, Paper tape reader on a long loop. Tape punch doing a Woody Woodpecker. IBM 029 doing verify. Two security guys dragging me out of the building. The visitors would love that!! Rod -----Original Message----- From: cctech-bounces at classiccmp.org [mailto:cctech-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Jules Richardson Sent: 03 September 2007 18:14 To: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Re: British Computers. Rod Smallwood wrote: [BP stuff] > Well that's interesting.... > How much of it will be running? Well the aim is for as much as possible; I suspect we can manage 95% for the machines actually set up on display, but then there'll probably be other things on shelves or incomplete so that people can see their internals etc. Not 95% at once, of course - but 95% capable of running whenever the relevant people who know how to operate and look after them are on site :-)

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Reverse engineer the MatchPoint PC card?

by lynchaj＠yahoo.com

Hi, Is there any interest in reverse engineering the MatchPoint PC card? I have one the cards and it appears fairly simple. It is mostly a small number of 74LSXX TTL chips and buffers. There are a small number of PALs on the board which pose the biggest challenge, I think. An open sourced version of the MatchPoint PC card design would be a powerful tool for those of us interested in making disk images of legacy CP/M hard and soft sector formats. Of course, it would imply some software being written as well to be useful outside of just the Uniform PC software which comes with it. Is reverse engineering the MatchPoint PC feasible and/or worthwhile? It might be slightly cheaper than a Catweasel but I doubt it would be as useful or flexible. I think the Catweasel ISA is probably a better deal but they can be hard to get. Are any of the original MicroSolutions MatchPoint PC designers still around? Does anyone own the MatchPoint PC IP or is it now officially "abandonware"? I would like to hear people's thoughts on the topic. Thanks! Andrew Lynch

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IBM 5362

by ceby2＠csc.com

>> On 9/3/07, Chris M <chrism3667 at yahoo.com> wrote: >> There are 1 of these on eBay: >> >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=140152462361&ssPage… >> >> I want! >> >> Oh, it's in Oklahoma. It's got to weight >150lbs, >> no? FWIW I believe the 5362 is a sublime machine. The machine architecture and operating system are totally unlike the VMS/UNIX stuff many of us are used to. The mainframe derived, yet somehow unique approach is weird and wonderful... Even a familiarity with its descendant AS/400 won't quite give the same thing. Just for example, the system runs in 8 bit compartmentalised process spaces. The processors are 8 bit, but the machines often have as much as 2 MB on them. So they've taken the concept of memory windowing to something of an extreme. You can't program outside the 64 MB RAM bounds without invoking a separate program in another memory space. On the other hand, you have have as many applications running in either shared or single instance mode as you have memory for. As a second 'for instance', there are actually 2 CPUs. One is more or less equivalent to a channel controller in that it does all the IO. Truly, this is a machine worth having. There has never been an emulator written to reflect this architecture, so the only way you can really experience it is first hand. Add to that the library/directory/file data storage paradym, RPG/Basic/Cobol/Assembler as the programming languages, and an extensive menu/terminal IO driven interface and you have something as un-cshell like as I can imagine in a machine you are ever likely to actually possess. Compared to this a PDP/11 running RT-11 (or the like) feels a pimped version of CP/M. IMHOP: zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.... (I'm already ducking my head for fear of the flaming retribution of the DEC collectors on the list) --- Jason T <silent700 at gmail.com> wrote: > Before I forget, and as I'm sure most already know, > someone's been trying to give away a 5360 on > marketplace.vintage.org for sometime. I don't feel > like logging in, so I can't "see everything", so I > don't know if it's still available, but I imagine it > would be. > I bet Sridhar already has one, so you won't have to > fight him for it LOL LOL LOL. > Can't remember where it was located, I want to say > Connecticut, but I could very well be wrong. Now I just happen to be the poor sap with this thundering albatross. After making my pitch, and singing the platforms virtues let me ask, nee plead for a new keeper to step foward. Here is the revised 'scoop'. I haven't laid eyes on this system in at least 5 years. It's stored in a ground level lock-up (garage door style) outside Hartford. I will give a copy of the key to ANYONE who will relieve me of the storage rental. But that's ALL I can give you. Over the years I have indeed tried to give away this system to a number of well intentioned people. The problem is they always want me help transport it. Well my ability to 'help' has descended from the sublime to the ridiculous. I no longer living in the area (by which I mean I live 4000 miles away in England and can be of no imaginable assistance at all). Tempted? Drop me a mailing address and I will eagerly post you a copy of the padlock key. From there... over to you. Do your best to collect it (all of it, please). You MUST have (1) a forklift (2) a tail lift (3) a team of oxen (a fraternity pledge class would be ideal). The photo published on 'marketplace' is of the actual machine, just before I moved it. The 'vette' in the background should give you a clear idea of scale. Go on, I know you want to. Sridhar's no threat to your acquisition. He wisely turned me down so long ago I imagine he's forgotten about it altogether. Thanks, Colin Eby

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[Free] Old Data Books (Australia)

by tshoppa＠wmata.com

Chuck wrote: > On 3 Sep 2007 at 19:59, der Mouse wrote: >> MCM2016HN70 / HID8625 >> CY7C409A-25PC / USA9225 91714 >> GAL16V8A / 15LP / L218D16 >> MC14034B / CP QQ8318 > In no particular order, the MC14304B is a 4000-series CMOS quad "NOR" > latch. The MCM2016 is a generic 2Kx8 SRAM, the CY7C409A is a 64x9 > FIFO, > the GAL16V8A is a CMOS PLD (64x32 arry, registered outputs). > The others are a bit of a mystery to me. "The others" are speed ranges (15ns) and date codes >from the 80's and 90's :-). Tim.

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trs 80 model 16B

by kelly＠catcorner.org

>> Is there anyone who can help me? I am needing an 8" boot disc of >> suitable software, to breathe life into my 16B monster! I can't >> believe there is no 8" disk's available? I have made a >> suitable cable to connect a 5,25 drive, so any suitable software will >> do, please contact me if you think you can help. regards paul > > Kelly Leavitt has a set of 16B/6000 Xenix disk images posted at: > www.catcorner.org/Tandy > www.catcorner.org/Xenix > > If you dig up a copy of TRSDOS16 (TRSDOS ported to the 68k) I'd love > to have an copy of the image for my archive. > > Dave Although pretty slow at doing so, I have most of the operating systems that ran on this series of computers either archived in imagedisk format, or ready to be made so. I have TRS-DOS 16, II, and a lot of different CP/M versions that I can image. And Dave, you and anyone else doing so, are welcome to either link or make a copy of my images available for download in your archives. A little acknowledgement would be nice, but not required. Kelly

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IBM 5362

by chrism3667＠yahoo.com

There are 1 of these on eBay: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=140152462361&ssPage… IIRC would go hand in hand w/the terminal/controller thing someone had for sale on here in the last couple of weeks. the 5364 looks cool. Needs a 5170 - no more, no less - for the front end. Even looks like an AT. Not enough krazee Big Blue stuph floating around if my opinion means anything. IINM, I spoke to a gentleman - YO DUDE! ;) - who was working on a "System/36 on a chip". Just way too groovy. Stupid Cat's final bid didn't even break 8 bills :( ____________________________________________________________________________________ Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC

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ebay: ANSI Electron Tubes, Bases, Capsn and Terminals

by legalize＠xmission.com

Ebay # 320152907541 Here we have ANSI American National Standards, ANSI for electron tubes and related items. Including: 1. C60.1-1964 (UDC 621.385.1; 621.3.032), EIA RS-209-A. Dimensional Characteristics of Electron Tubes, Bases, Caps, and Terminals (including Gauges). 3 sections: 51, 112 and 48 pages. **Cover edges are worn on this one. 2. C60.6-1959 (UDC 621.3.032.2:621.317.335) EIA RS-191-A. Direct Interelectrode Capacitances, 16 pages. 3. C60.8-1963 (UDC 621.3.032.2:621.3.011.4) EIA RS-263. Interelement Capacitance for Electron Tubes. 2 page. 4. C60.9-1964 (UDC 621.385.13.001.3) 62 IRE 7.52. Definitions of Terms for Electron Tubes, 8 pages. 5. C60.4-1950 (UDS 003.62:621.3.032.71) JETEC JO-C3, Designation System for Metal Electron Tub Shells, 2 page. ***NOTE: These are currently in a ANSI binder - please advise if binder is NOT desired so we can adjust the shipping rate. Previously a library copy. Lightly read, virtually no page creasing, no rips or tears found. Jacket/cover has light edge and corner wear. -- "The Direct3D Graphics Pipeline" -- DirectX 9 draft available for download <http://www.xmission.com/~legalize/book/download/index.html> Legalize Adulthood! <http://blogs.xmission.com/legalize/>

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building a machine room

by cheri-post＠web.de

Hello Richard, in order to get another impression of what it means to build a machine room, have a look at Bernd Ulmann's website: www.vaxman.de In the menum, click on museum, then on machine room (it's a link within the text). He writes alot about all the problems he got confrontated with while building and renovating his machine room. It's very interesting! Regards, Pierre > > OK, I know some of you have done this -- Henk with his brick PDP machine > room in the Netherlands, at least! > > Looking more closely into the power and other environmental > requirements for my Onyx2 and other rack SGI systems, it seems prudent > that I shouldn't attempt having these systems up and running without > the appropriate environment. > > Fortunately the electrical isn't too bad -- 220 VAC, single phase. > Its more the cooling and ducting part that has me wondering. At the > moment, I'm not concerned with creating a building. I'm wondering > more about what would it take to build a "machine room" inside an > existing structure. Naturally, we're talking about building this on a > "collector" budget and not what you would do if money were no object. > > Assume you have something like a warehouse with a concrete floor but > no warehouse-wide cooling situation. Is it feasible to build a small > climate controlled room inside this larger structure? Where do you > get the necessary A/C equipment for such a thing? > -- > "The Direct3D Graphics Pipeline" -- DirectX 9 draft available for download > <http://www.xmission.com/~legalize/book/download/index.html> > > Legalize Adulthood! <http://blogs.xmission.com/legalize/> > _______________________________________________________________________ Jetzt neu! Sch?tzen Sie Ihren PC mit McAfee und WEB.DE. 3 Monate kostenlos testen. http://www.pc-sicherheit.web.de/startseite/?mc=022220

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trs 80 model 16B

by paul＠pgdeng.co.uk

Is there anyone who can help me? I am needing an 8" boot disc of suitable software, to breathe life into my 16B monster! I can't believe there is no 8" disk's available? I have made a suitable cable to connect a 5,25 drive, so any suitable software will do, please contact me if you think you can help. regards paul I use BullGuard Spamfilter to keep my inbox clean. It is completely free: www.bullguard.com/freespamfilter

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British Computers.

by RodSmallwood＠mail.ediconsulting.co.uk

I think the Blakes 7 computer may have been called ZEN. ORAC on Blakes 7 was a device that could predict the future. Rod -----Original Message----- From: cctech-bounces at classiccmp.org [mailto:cctech-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Fred Cisin Sent: 03 September 2007 05:35 To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Re: British Computers. > I'm 99% sure that Tangering = Oric. ISTR that they changed their name > from Tangerine to Oric when they launched the Oric 1? . . . but does it have the true personality of the Oric computer on Blake's 7?

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Reviving DEC RX01 power supply

by oldcpu2＠rogerwilco.org

I've got a H771-A (120V/60Hz) that's acting up on me. Part of an old PDP-11/03 that I'm trying to get back on its feet. As I've done with 4 or 5 other RX units in the past couple of years, after cleaning it up and reforming the capacitors, but before plugging everything together, I wanted to check output voltages. I'm sure glad I did because this guy is not normal! Where you usually see 24V, I'm getting 42V! And the so- called 'Raw DC' which is normally around 10V is 17V. At least the +/-5V lines are more or less correct at +5.1V and -5.3V, respectively. I need some help here. I've checked the printset on this, and frankly, this analog stuff is so much voodoo (to me). I get lost pretty quickly unless the circuit is simple, say, like a flashlight. Anyway, I've checked a number of voltages and voltage drops at various places[1] that I thought might lead me to something, but I can't say that I'm any wiser now. I'm sure this is fixable, even by me, IF I can locate out the faulty component(s). Hints or guidance on what else I should look at would surely be appreciated! - Jared [1] Here are voltage readings taken at a few locations: - Transformer outputs (these look normal): blue: 27.8VAC purple: 11.2VAC - PCB connector P1: 2 (blu): -5.3v 3 (blk): 0v 4 (gry/red): 5.1v 5 (blk): 0v 6 (red): 42v (should be 24v!!!) - PCB connector P2: 1 (org): 17v (should be 9.5v!!!) 3 (blk): 0v 4 (gry/red): 5.1v 5 (blk): 0v - Voltage drop across: D5 15v Zener: 17v D11 6.8v Zener: 7v R12: 25v R13: 12v

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eprom "dumping"

by chrism3667＠yahoo.com

as most of us know, the IBM PC and PC/AT (I think) have extra rom sockets. If you want to obtain a dump of an eprom, could you simply plug them into these spare sockets and use Debug or whatever to capture an image? Seems straitforward enough, but I figured it wouldn't hurt to ask... ____________________________________________________________________________________ Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=graduation+gifts&cs=bz

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Calling Kurt Klemm

by grant＠stockly.com

Sorry about the personal message here but I've exhausted the means to contact him. If you get this please try to send me a message on my website: http://www.stockly.com/forums/index.php I can't seem to send you e-mail! Grant

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holy crap, another Cat on ePay!

by dkelvey＠hotmail.com

> From: chrism3667 at yahoo.com> > AND NO PAYMENTS NECESSARY UNTIL 2008! WOOHOO!> > http://cgi.ebay.com/VINTAGE-CANON-CAT-WORK-PROCESSOR-Jef-Raskin_W0QQitemZ11…> > I might be selling mine soon. Need a house. Tired of> sleeping in the car LOL LOL LOL.> Hi You might want to hold off for a while. I suspect that the market is reaching saturation. There just aren't that many that are expecting to pay $600+ for a Cat. For those that are interested in hacking the Cat or writing another printer driver as I've done, look at the Cat info on the DigiBarn web page. I've been doing other hacking since then for anyone that is interested. I've found the video RAM and I'm thinking of creating some graphics functions. Right now I just have a simple XOR to each bit but I realize that a line drawing routine would be good as well. If someone on this group wants to talk offline about the Cat, let me know. It is a remarkable computer. Dwight _________________________________________________________________ See what you?re getting into?before you go there http://newlivehotmail.com/?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_viral_preview_0507

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big load of crap in St.Louis, MO

by chrism3667＠yahoo.com

http://cgi.ebay.com/8-Free-Vintage-Computers-IBM-Sun-NEC-in-St-Louis_W0QQit… too bad the NEC 9801 is missing the k/b :( ____________________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC

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Belgian computers?

by ethan.dicks＠gmail.com

I have the opportunity to travel to Gent, Belgium, in about a month, and with all the recent talk of British computers, I wanted to ask the list if anyone knows if there were ever any Belgian-made computers. I'm mostly interested in 1980s micros, but any sort of machines would be germane. -ethan

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The Don Maslin Software Archive

by dm561＠torfree.net

Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 03:16:33 -0400 From: "Christopher Feeney" <cpfeeney at carolina.rr.com> Subject: The Don Maslin Software Archive To: <cctech at classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <000001c7ed31$31617740$942465c0$(a)rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >I'm sure you hate this question, but did anything ever happen with Don >Maslin's disk collection? I spoke with and exchanged disks with Don over >the years and just tonight learned of his death. I'm looking for the MS-DOS 2.11 bootdisk for the Sanyo MBC 555-2 ------------------------------------ I should have a Teledisk image somewhere that I got from Don a few years back. Email me off-list so I'll be reminded when I get back to the office in a few days. mike

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Quay 900 (generic S-100) systems available in Denver

by sellam＠vintagetech.com

Anyone interested in these? http://www.siconic.com/crap/Quay-900-1.jpg http://www.siconic.com/crap/Quay-900-2.jpg They are in Denver, Colorado. I have a couple myself, though they are not "Quay" branded. Mine are generically generic (no branding at all). I believe they have Godbout inside. ContactP: Alan <alan_shaughnessy at earthlink.net> -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] _______________________________________________ BACCL mailing list BACCL at lists.baccl.net http://lists.baccl.net/mailman/listinfo/baccl

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British Computers.

by RodSmallwood＠mail.ediconsulting.co.uk

Well that's interesting.... How much of it will be running? Rod Smallwood -----Original Message----- From: cctech-bounces at classiccmp.org [mailto:cctech-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Jules Richardson Sent: 02 September 2007 00:50 To: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Re: British Computers. Rod Smallwood wrote: > A passing thought.. should there be a British Section at Bletchley? Don't worry, there will be :-) Plus there'll be various other British machines littering other sections (Inmos, ICL, Elliott, Marconi, BCL, Digico, Diamond etc.) which naturally fit better with some of the other 'themes'. I'm not quite sure when the room with the focus on British machines will come on-line; notionally we're starting at the top end of the building (Colossus, Tunny et al, workshop, really big iron, analogue machines) and working our way down the corridor room-by-room. The 'British Room' is about halfway down - hopefully get to that one in around 6 months or so. It's slow going as every room ends up having to be gutted, cleaned and repainted... I was going to ask about Irish machines and see that James got there first; did Ireland ever make any micros? We spent today doing some final assessment work on the ICL 2966 mainframe prior to its move to final destination (as well as the 40 or so cabinets there seems to be a metric buttload of spares). Wall-painting's now finished in the room that it'll be going in to, and a couple of different firms are coming in on Monday to see the beast and give us a quote for moving it. If all goes well hopefully it'll get shifted in the next couple of weeks... cheers Jules

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Belgian computers?

by laurens＠daemon.be

John Honniball wrote: > Ethan Dicks wrote: >> I have the opportunity to travel to Gent, Belgium, in about a month, >> and with all the recent talk of British computers, I wanted to ask the >> list if anyone knows if there were ever any Belgian-made computers. > > Wasn't there an 8080 or Z80 machine called the DAI that was Belgian? > I seem to recall wanting one when I saw the specs, but I can't > quite remember why -- maybe it had the TI sprite graphics chip? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DAI_Personal_Computer That's the first I heard about a Belgian computer. Not sure whether you'll actually find one seen that I never came across one (and in fact, I didn't even know we made computers at one time...)

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Lonesome Minicomputer Owner

by c.cooke21＠ntlworld.com

Hi, do you still have the H716 minicomputer? I worked on them from 1970 for some 20 years woth Honeywell in the UK. Do you still need help with your wonderful machine? If you are thinking of disposing of it please let me know. Regards, Clint, UK

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Any interest in a Commodore Plus 4?

by cclist＠sydex.com

Got one here. Is it worth anything or is it landfill? Cheers, Chuck

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President Computer?

by evan＠snarc.net

Hi all, Anyone heard of an Australian company called President Computer, circa early/mid 1980s? - Evan

19 years

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Best way to toast TTL

by grant＠stockly.com

Before I write to the group, Kurt Klemm, if you read this please try sending me a message on my web forum at http://www.stockly.com I am getting your e-mails but based on them it sounds like you are not getting mine! : ( --- Now to the rest: I'm wishing I've kept all the broken TTL chips over the years... I am evaluating a TOP2004 programmer for testing TTL chips. I bought it off of ebay from http://www.mcumall.com/comersus/store/comersus_dynamicIndex.asp I bought it on ebay because the price was cheaper. They are located in Canada and it took 5 days to get shipped to Alaska. Very well packed. The other TOP programmers ship from china/japan. I want to be able to recommend a TTL tester to my customers of the Kenbak kit. With 132 74xx TTL chips it would really come in handy! So far I think it does a good job. If I lift a signal leg on a 74LS04 it both can't auto detect anything and will report a 7404 as bad. I only have one known bad part, a 74LS376. It DID report it as bad and undetectable. What I'm wondering is if anyone knows how I can prematurely kill a TTL device or simulate static failure. I'd like to try to test how thoroughly the programmer tests the chips. It can't tell the difference between a 7410 and 7412, but that isn't too important for knowing the chip works (mostly) On a second note, I have successfully over clocked my Kenbak 500%. Its running happily at 5MHz. : ) Although it gets a lot hotter! I need heat sinks... --I suppose giving one 12v to simulate hooking up a power supply wrong? --Hooking 12v to a device normally powered at 5v? --Shorting out a buffer output? (I think some buffers are designed to be shorted out though) --Vehicle ignition coil to an input? : D Grant

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British Computers.

by classiccmp＠memory-alpha.org.uk

Hi, > Not forgetting Sinclair Why!?? I'm trying *VERY* hard....they don't even make passable doorstops.... TTFN - Pete.

19 years

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The Don Maslin Software Archive

by cpfeeney＠carolina.rr.com

I'm sure you hate this question, but did anything ever happen with Don Maslin's disk collection? I spoke with and exchanged disks with Don over the years and just tonight learned of his death. I'm looking for the MS-DOS 2.11 bootdisk for the Sanyo MBC 555-2

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British Computers

by roger.holmes＠microspot.co.uk

> >> I was going to ask about Irish machines and see that James got there >> first; did Ireland ever make any micros? > > I thought I read on some faq that DEC had some computers made in > Ireland. > I think potatoes not puters when it comes to Ireland Many an Apple was made in their factory in Cork.

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The Don Maslin Software Archive

by aek＠bitsavers.org

> but did anything ever happen with Don > Maslin's disk collection? It is assumed to be lost. Parallel efforts are ongoing to build collections from what survives in other sources. Sadly, a dozen book boxes of 8" disks that I gave him when I didn't have the time to do anything with them are gone as well. Fortunately the really obscure stuff was already read from the set.

19 years

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[Free] Assorted Bits & Pieces (Australia)

by hugh＠blemings.org

Hi, I've been lurking on the list for a while now enjoying the various discussions. Being my first post I'm hoping this email isn't out of place - just hate to junk stuff if it is of use/interest to someone else. I apologise in advance if it truly is complete rubbish - even feedback to that effect is useful, can chuck it with confidence then :) So - the following items are available for the cost of postage or for pickup from Canberra. - Hardware - Motorola "Versamodule Monoboard Microcomputer" 68000 based, c.1980 has a two gold plated edge connectors, one 60 way, other 70 way, board is 14.5" x 9". Also have a matching prototyping board but no backplane or other information. Electrical condition unknown, physically boards are ok but a few bent pins. Advanced Gravis Mousestick Controller - ADB Model for Mac SE, II Classic and LC. Dusty but believed to be working.. - Software - OpenVMS Alpha Operating System V7.1 Binaries December 1996 Novell Netware 4.11 and Groupwise 5.2 Spectrum Holobyte "Vette" Street Racing Simulation - Mac Plus or Mac II Microsoft Flight Simulator V4.0 For Mac Plus, Classic, LC, SE, SE/30 or other Mac II family computer.

19 years

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Computer books from the years 1970-1990 for sale

by janprunk＠gmail.com

Hello ! Old computer books for sale or trade. I still have most of the collection available. The books vary from the years 1970-1990 The collection contains books about: LISP, Data management, Artificial Intelligence, Automatic data processing, Computer programming etc. >From publishers like: McGraw Hill, M&T Books, Wiley Press, Microsoft They are all in English language and in good condition. The price for one book is 3 Euros + postage. The books are shipped >from Slovenia, Europe. I could also trade the books for some older computers. The link to the list is available at: http://yang.mtveurope.org/books.html If you are interested, contact me to my private email address. Kind regards, Jan Prunk -- +------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Jan Prunk GPG key: 00E80E86 | | E-mail: jan at prunk.be Fingerprint: 77C5 156E 29A4 EB6C 1C4A | | http://blog.prunk.be 5EBA 414A 29F5 00E8 0E86 | +------------------------------------------------------------------+

19 years

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IBM 700 Mainframe spotted on TV

by innfoclassics＠gmail.com

On an old Spenser Tracy, Kate Hepburn movie called "Desk Set" playing on the Family Movie Channel. 1957 Looked like an IBM 700 series computer. Unfortunitely it was only shown during the opening credits. Story is about installing an IBM computer in a TV Studio. Mostly a situational comedy. I am not sure I will stick around toii see if it show up later. -- Paxton Hoag Astoria, OR USA

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9 track tapes and racks

by caveguy＠sbcglobal.net

We have a bunch, as in too many to count at this point in time, of 9 track tapes and the free standing tape racks they are hanging on, to dispose of over the next few weeks. I will putting a few on ebay along with other stuff as it gets sorted out what has and has not been spoken for. Mucho thanks to those to all of you who bid in the ebay selloff. All involved conceder it has been a success, and IBMcollectables now has a TrueBlue xSeries quad Xeon with twin RAIDS, it is not NEW but it is a whole lot more computer then the 1850R-400 it is currently crawling along on. I hope to get Gallery 2.x loaded and SQL loaded so I can get the site updated and moved over soon. Oh ya....I digress ... as for the 9 tracks and racks Question One: anyone interested in picking things up here in Columbus, contact me offlist. Question Two: anyone know of any use for 9 track tapes ? Question Three: what is the "Green" thing to do with them, or do we let the local recycler take them all ? PS: we have 4 3350's spares and two 3420 Tape Units (spare / parts - mostly complete but not working), and , some card cabnets currently not spoken for. Please contact me off list. Have a happy weekend everyone, OSU WON ! and that school up north just LOST ! Bob at GoBucks.com Bob at IBMcollectables.com

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9 track tapes and racks

by aek＠bitsavers.org

> anyone interested in picking things up here in Columbus would be difficult. These are wright-line freestanding racks without rollup doors? The computer muesuem was looking for some, but we were just offered six at JPL. > anyone know of any use for 9 track tapes ? I have lots of tapes that have broken wright-line seals. If you can't find anyone to take them all, I could use the seals, though it's likely you're using the hard plastic auto-load types if they were used with a 3420.

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British Computers.

by RodSmallwood＠mail.ediconsulting.co.uk

Hi Tony Well I got a good response to my musings re British Computers. I'm busy cutting and pasting all of the data to give me a list of who said what and who has what. A passing thought.. should there be a British Section at Bletchley? Rod -----Original Message----- From: cctech-bounces at classiccmp.org [mailto:cctech-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Tony Duell Sent: 31 August 2007 23:35 To: cctalk at classiccmp.org Subject: Re: British Computers. > Wasn't the Dragons (Dragon 32 & Dragon 64) made by a Welsh company? > (Still British, but I don't know anything about the computers other > than their name) Yes. The Dragon 32 was based on the same Motorola Application Note (for the 6883) as the Tandy Color Computer, anf is a very similar machine. Although for some inexplicable reason, the BASIC tokens are differnntly ordered, so a binary BASIC program from a Dragon won;t load on a CoCo and vice versa... The main differece between the hardware of the Dragon and the CoCo is the printer port. There were 3 PIA lines left over once the necessary signal had been taken for the sound, cassette port, keyboard, VDG control, etc. As er all know, the CoCo used them for a bit-banged RS232 port. On the Dragon, they were the Strobe, Busy and ACK lines of a Centronics port. The data for that came from the 8 keyboard scan lines (one port of a PIA), suitably buffered. There was no problem with the dual use of this port, the machine didn't try to read the ekybaord inptus when it was sending a character to the printer, and the printer ignored the keyboard scan 'data' because there was no Strobe signal along with it. The Dragon 64 has (not surpisingly) twice as much RAM, and also a real hardware RS23 port, based IIRC on the 6551. > > Amstrad > > Weren't the Amstrad's called Schneiders in some European country(s)? Yes, I beleive so. -tony

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semi-modern HP mini available

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

HP9000 K class box with 2 jamaica arrays and 2 autoraids all of which is mounted in 2 beautiful, 1.6 meter HP cabinets. All cabling is included. Disclosure: One Autoraid has a bad controller. Several of the drives were upgraded in one Autoraid to 36 gig drives. Besides the one bad controller in one autoraid, all the rest is working. Contact me offlist if interested. Gear is located in St. Louis, MO. I will not store this for you ;) Nostalgic interest - this is gear that I sold new to this customer as an HP9000 dealer "back in the day". Jay West

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HP DraftMaster I

by roger.holmes＠microspot.co.uk

> > From: "Patrick Adams" <padamsdesign at mweb.co.za> > Subject: HP DraftMaster I > > Hi > > Me have a big problem connecting a plotter to a computer, no1 is > able to help me. > Hopefully you can. > I have a draftmaster 7595A > deeply appreciated if you would offer your help. Hi Patrick, What type of computer are you trying to connect to? Mac, PC, a classic micro, mini or mainframe? Which port are you using, serial or parallel? Are you using a network adaptor box to Ethernet? I think my DraftMaster MX has Etherbet built in, but as far as I remember, when we had a prototype of the previous model, it used an external adaptor box. I've connected plotters to Apple ][+, Apple ///, Lisa 1, Lisa 2 and every type of Mac, and if you need a plotter driver for a Mac my company can still supply one. Its not the connection that's difficult, often its that your application does not output the data in a format the plotter understands. Modern machines usually assume the data is going to written into a pixel map (either within the printer as with PostScript, or within the host computer) so that later geometries can partially obscure earlier ones. It is even possible to print from programs like PhotoShop, but it really works the plotter hard, and while runs of a colour are fine, and single dots come out with fibre pens, ball pens rely on movement to get the ink flowing, so can't do dots. Draughting(drafting if you're over the pond) pens are another game entirely. I am replying to the digest, so its possible someone's already answered this. Roger Holmes.

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another test

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

I've been working on the mail gateway that sits in front of the classiccmp machine, just a test to make sure things are going the way I expect. No reply needed. Jay

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For all the AIXheads

by compoobah＠valleyimplants.com

You can tell how often I fire up the 3CT, because this is probably general knowledge. It looks like UCLA AIX archive is being taken offline. Don't know about existing mirrors at this time, but if you want it now's the time to get it (before September 4).

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NCR UNIX puter on eBay

by chrism3667＠yahoo.com

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&Item=290110351771&Category=12… comments? thoughts? suggestions? Virtually nothing retrieved by googling, though there is a vendor that has one presumably. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. http://travel.yahoo.com/

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Timex Sinclair tape

by dgriffi＠cs.csubak.edu

Would someone here be interested in a Timex Sinclair "Power Pack 1" tape? -- David Griffith dgriffi at cs.csubak.edu A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail?

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Unidentified game map

by rcini＠optonline.net

All: While thumbing through a folder of random stuff, I found a hand-drawn map of what appears to be ?Adventure?. I don?t know enough about the differences between the point versions to confirm which one this goes to. Here?s a link to it: http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/classiccmp/pdf/random/Adventure Map.pdf Can anyone positively ID this and give me the background for my Web site? Thanks. Rich -- Rich Cini Collector of Classic Computers Build Master and lead engineer, Altair32 Emulator http://www.altair32.com http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/classiccmp

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Where to get Catweasels

by lynchaj＠yahoo.com

Hi, As you recall, I am working on a Catweasel for NorthStar floppy disk reader project. It is slowly making progress and will eventually come out in the open. I'd still like anyone who can to join me. In the meantime, some people have said one of the problems with using the Catweasel is actually finding one to buy in the first place. I have had a lot of luck here: http://www.ggsdata.se/PC/en-iokort.html I recently bought a Catweasel Mk1 from them which prior to finding it I had thought those were "unobtainium". Please do not misinterpret this message, it is not a SPAM message as much as an little help to my fellow NorthStar owners to get in on the Catweasel fun. Now you can longer say that you can't participate because you cannot find a Catweasel! Best of luck with your NorthStars whatever you do. THANKS! Andrew Lynch PS, I am on vacation and may be a bit hard to reach for the next few days.

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Please help me ID cards(32)

by turankuzan＠tesbilisim.com

Hello, I need some help about the board Model 5400, ASSY00060-13 REV T urgently. Can you send me some technical documents(if you have any) about this board. Do you have any information about that if I can get an extra board from the producer or not ?

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Need ROM for AP-64e Apple ][ EPROM writer card

by sellam＠vintagetech.com

Does anyone else have an AP-64e EPROM writer card for the Apple ][? If so, is there any way I can get you to dump the ROM and send me the file? I have two of these: one is missing the ROM and the other has the ROM (a 2716 EPROM) but it has been erased apparently. Also, can you write a tutorial on how to use it? The manual is available online as a PDF: http://www.apple-iigs.info/doc/fichiers/ap64eprom.pdf ...but the Engrish in which it is written is so mangled it's hard to make out what it's saying. Plus, it excludes certain key documentation, such as which side is "on" for the programming switch, and the DIP switch setting chart doesn't define what 'x' and 'o' mean in the context of the switch settings. Thanks! -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ]

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British Computers.

by robert＠irrelevant.com

On 31/08/2007, Richard Smith <richard.smith at mewgull.com> wrote: > > > >I also used some "microfive" 8088 based multi-user systems - not sure > >where they originated from, though knowing my bos, they were possibly > >British.. > > Wasn't that the ICL "One-per-desk" machine? > No, the OPL was a Sinclair QL.. The microfile 1000's I used were about the size and shape of an original IBM XT, but with multple serial ports on the back rather than pc style screen/keyboar: You connected up dumb terminals to use. We ran BOS on them, but think they were intended for ConcurrentDOS. Rob

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Docs on panel meters?

by ethan.dicks＠gmail.com

>From time to time, I run across panel meters, at hamfests, in the dustbin, whereever. I'm sure, in most cases, they still work, but without pinouts, it's a bit tough to put them back into service. The latest one I have is marked with the following... Fairchild Panel Meter Model Number 300555 5VDC Powered: 2V F.S. Range 7825 (in paint, presumably a date code) It has an 11-pin connector on the back, and inside, under the red plastic cover, is 4 7-segment LEDs, som resistors and caps, plus 4 black, unmarked epoxy blocks I can't identify. There are a number of traces going under each one, so I'm presuming they are bare dice that were glued to the board, then encapsulated, but unlike modern examples of that practice, these are in square-sided epoxy blocks. I don't need to know the entire circuit. Mostly, I just need to know where to attach Vcc, GND, and the sensed voltage. Obviously, googling for "fairchild 300555" turns up nothing. Not at all unusual for something of this vintage. Thanks for any pointers. -ethan

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Manuals on-line

by rcini＠optonline.net

All: I?ve been on a scanning frenzy lately, scanning tons of manuals I have on my shelf. Right now, I?m working on Tandy stuff ? Model 2000 and Model 100 right now. Check out http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/classiccmp/systems.htm Rich -- Rich Cini Collector of Classic Computers Build Master and lead engineer, Altair32 Emulator http://www.altair32.com http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/classiccmp

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DEC Rainbow Hard drive.

by jba＠sdf.lonestar.org

> Is the only difference between the -A and -B the firmware ROM? If you got > the later firmware and put it into a -A mainboard would the machine (a) > still work and (b) let you boot from a hard drive (asuming you'd also >fitted the controller card)? I would be surprised if that did work. There are some hardware differences in the 100A and 100B. The graphics hardware is slightly different, and the quantity of memory on the motherboard is different. I'm sure there are also more subtle differences which I didn't mention. Anyway, it proably wouldn't work, but then again, I've never tried. There are also other differnces that have nothing to do with the firmware. The 100A used an AC fan, while the 100B used a quieter DC fan. The 100A power supply was not quite beefy enough to run the big hard drives, although it would unreliably work. The power connector on the 100A for the second drive was also excessively short so it wouldn't reach the standard DEC hard drives alone anyway. Usually, 100As have the block letter logo on the front, while 100Bs have the script Rainbow logo. -Jeff jba at sdf.lonestar.org SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org

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