- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by rampaginggreenhulk＠yahoo.com

O God they're coming out of the woodwork now. Of course there's exceptions. The exceptions have to do with those who persist in violating God's will. I don't know who told you it's biblical to hate blacks or Jews. That's just straw nonsense to allude to some extraneous notions that have absolutely zero to do with scripture. Why do people focus on some demented hillbilly's words, when there are millions and millions of Christians who don't say any such thing??? Jesus was a Jew who's cross is alleged to have been carried by a black dude named Simon. Phillip baptized someone from Africa in Acts. Please tell me what you're talking about. But you see those are the times we live in. People love confusion apparently. It's far better to spout nonsense or actively promote abberant behavior. And confuse children so they can grow up and hate truth and decency. And wind up with communicable diseases. I'll respectfully continue this conversation privately (or on another forum of your choosing) Daniel. I live for it. ------------------------------ On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 1:17 PM PDT Daniel Seagraves wrote: > >On Mar 13, 2013, at 1:27 PM, Chris Tofu <rampaginggreenhulk at yahoo.com> wrote: > >> Who's exhibiting adolescent behavior but the people who continue the bleating 24 hours nearly after the issue is resolved. > >Oh, goody! A Real Christian! Maybe you can answer a question I have: > >Please show me the list of exceptions to John 3:16! It says "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." > >Obviously there's a secret list of exceptions, you know, all the people God hates? Some people tell me God hates blacks, and some people tell me God hates gays, and some say Jews? It's like they all have different lists! Everyone seems to have a list except for me, I can't find it anywhere. Can you please enlighten me? Every time I ask a Real Christian for the list, they run away or point to something else. > >I just want to make sure I'm hating all the right people! > >

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Vacuum tube and semiconductor cross ref and current replacements

by sales＠elecplus.com

http://www.worldtubecompany.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=TSL _____ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 2641/6166 - Release Date: 03/12/13

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Everything abt vacuum tubes, plans, lessons, cross ref, extending their life, etc.

by sales＠elecplus.com

http://ebookbrowse.com/lesson-60-vacuum-tubes-used-in-transmitting-pdf-d3112 23117 _____ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 2641/6166 - Release Date: 03/12/13

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Adolescent behavior, was Forget UPS was Re: Shipping Heavy/Large Items Via UPS

by rampaginggreenhulk＠yahoo.com

LOL why would I go to you!! You still have family hear as I recall little bow wow. Another little cowardly punk with a big mouth from New Jersey. Get in your car and put your money where your mouth is. I don't threaten people Dave. I happen to be 6'4" and MY threats tend to be taken much more seriously. Besides it just being ugly. And you not only want to do me harm, you want to humiliate me on my own property. I have never spoken to anyone like that in my life. You can judge a person's character by how they treat their enemies even little creep. And until today we had no problem with one another. Is Brian gay? Why did he have to take this all up once again a day later?? How many times do I have to listen to people TELLING everyone else to iggy me? How much of that would you put up with? And I won't apologize for a single word. Did one person, besides Doc in a way, say anything about Liam's comments. But your little buddy had to draw attention ONCE AGAIN to what I said, where I specifically targeted NO ONE. Yet repeatedly I was attacked, then threatened. Enough was enough. ------------------------------ On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 1:00 PM PDT Dave McGuire wrote: > > Like I said: "Show up". > > Otherwise...*plonk* > >On 03/13/2013 03:15 PM, Chris Tofu wrote: >> >> >> I live in New Jersey where you're from little tough guy. You know the way. And what do I care who's your friend??? I'm supposed to continuously abide by the attacks against me, and your threats little punk. I don't think your enough man to take me on. Not that I find your petty threat the least bit credible. How pathetic. >> >> Yes little man you've given them enough reason for them to ban me. Congratulations for throwing gasoline on the match, from the getgo. >> >> ------------------------------ >> On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 11:58 AM PDT Dave McGuire wrote: >> >> >> What's angering me is the unbelievable shit you just spewed at a man >> whom I consider a friend. >> >> You don't have to do what I tell you. I'm quite certain your days on >> this list are numbered. One does not say shit like that and get away >> with it. >> >> And as for my "little threat"...show up. Make my day. >> >> Fucking dirtbag. >> >> -Dave >> >> On 03/13/2013 02:52 PM, Chris Tofu wrote: >>> What's angering you at this point, I don't know. Regardless you don't >>> have the authority to ban me, nor tell me what to do. >>> >>> And as for your little threat, not likely Dave. Not very likely. >>> Truly adolescent besides little man. >>> >>> ------------------------------ On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 11:43 AM PDT Dave >>> McGuire wrote: >>> >>> >>> Ok, THAT'S IT. Get the FUCK off of this list. >>> >>> NOW. >>> >>> I would beat the living daylights out of you if you were anywhere >>> nearby. On your front lawn, in front of your wife. >>> >>> Jackass. >>> >>> -Dave >>> >>> On 03/13/2013 02:27 PM, Chris Tofu wrote: >>> >>> >>> Who's exhibiting adolescent behavior but the people who continue >>> the bleating 24 hours nearly after the issue is resolved. >>> >>> Are you as disturbed when parents have no choice but to have >>> their children's impressionable minds addled with exhibitions of >>> cross dressers? What about little girls who are understandably >>> uncomfortable sharing a bathroom with a screwed up little boy who >>> wants to think he's a girl??? AND ARE THREATENED WITH PUNISHMENT >>> IF THEY DARE COMPLAIN ABOUT IT. Does that bother you as much??? A >>> whole freaking day later you're still wining???!!! Why do people >>> get so blown out by a little comment??? if I'm required to be a >>> vegetable that has to walk on egg shells for fear of offending >>> some little deviant, let the mods ban my account. Which just >>> might speak volumes, seeing numerous individuals spout off with >>> explitives, but "fag" or "homo", oh no don't ever utter those >>> words. >>> >>> And in the interim Brian, go strait to Hell where you belong. >>> You and the rest of the FAGS, the ACLU, and all the other weirdos >>> who defend and promote diseased, aberrant behavior. Those that >>> want to victimise the most vulnerable amongst us. Go to Hell, go >>> to Hell, go to Hell. And yes I though it was necessary. >>> >>> ------------------------------ On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 10:46 AM PDT >>> Brian Knittel wrote: >>> >>> The list member's "homos" comment is in addition to the "Barney >>> Fag" comment a few weeks ago. I put in a filter to delete the >>> person at that time so didn't see the most recent example. >>> >>> Recognizing that we're dealing with an adolescent boy, the best >>> response is to ignore him, whether the post is one of the >>> childish rants or not. >>> >>> No comment or argument from this group is going to have any >>> effect other than to please him. A filter makes this very easy, >>> barring that, just don't reply to anything. Simple. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA >>> >> >> >> -- >> Dave McGuire, AK4HZ >> New Kensington, PA >> > > >-- >Dave McGuire, AK4HZ >New Kensington, PA

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Adolescent behavior, was Forget UPS was Re: Shipping Heavy/Large Items Via UPS

by rampaginggreenhulk＠yahoo.com

Who's exhibiting adolescent behavior but the people who continue the bleating 24 hours nearly after the issue is resolved. Are you as disturbed when parents have no choice but to have their children's impressionable minds addled with exhibitions of cross dressers? What about little girls who are understandably uncomfortable sharing a bathroom with a screwed up little boy who wants to think he's a girl??? AND ARE THREATENED WITH PUNISHMENT IF THEY DARE COMPLAIN ABOUT IT. Does that bother you as much??? A whole freaking day later you're still wining???!!! Why do people get so blown out by a little comment??? if I'm required to be a vegetable that has to walk on egg shells for fear of offending some little deviant, let the mods ban my account. Which just might speak volumes, seeing numerous individuals spout off with explitives, but "fag" or "homo", oh no don't ever utter those words. And in the interim Brian, go strait to Hell where you belong. You and the rest of the FAGS, the ACLU, and all the other weirdos who defend and promote diseased, aberrant behavior. Those that want to victimise the most vulnerable amongst us. Go to Hell, go to Hell, go to Hell. And yes I though it was necessary. ------------------------------ On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 10:46 AM PDT Brian Knittel wrote: >The list member's "homos" comment is in addition to the "Barney Fag" >comment a few weeks ago. I put in a filter to delete the person at that >time so didn't see the most recent example. > >Recognizing that we're dealing with an adolescent boy, the best >response is to ignore him, whether the post is one of the childish >rants or not. > >No comment or argument from this group is going to have any effect >other than to please him. A filter makes this very easy, barring that, >just don't reply to anything. Simple. > > > > > >

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fun things with electronics, and Contests

by sales＠elecplus.com

http://www.instructables.com/contest/ Lots of interesting stuff, including ways to introduce electronics to youngsters. There is even one contest just for youth. _____ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 2641/6166 - Release Date: 03/12/13

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Adolescent behavior, was Forget UPS was Re: Shipping Heavy/Large Items Via UPS

by rampaginggreenhulk＠yahoo.com

Emphasis on jerk, which you probably do a lot of. ------------------------------ On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 12:51 PM PDT Dave McGuire wrote: > > I apologize to the list for this outburst. Shitboy really pissed me >off. It was a knee-jerk reaction. > > -Dave > >On 03/13/2013 02:58 PM, Dave McGuire wrote: >> >> What's angering me is the unbelievable shit you just spewed at a man >> whom I consider a friend. >> >> You don't have to do what I tell you. I'm quite certain your days on >> this list are numbered. One does not say shit like that and get away >> with it. >> >> And as for my "little threat"...show up. Make my day. >> >> Fucking dirtbag. >> >> -Dave >> >> On 03/13/2013 02:52 PM, Chris Tofu wrote: >> What's angering you at this point, I don't know. Regardless you don't >> have the authority to ban me, nor tell me what to do. >> >> And as for your little threat, not likely Dave. Not very likely. >> Truly adolescent besides little man. >> >> ------------------------------ On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 11:43 AM PDT Dave >> McGuire wrote: >> >>> >>> Ok, THAT'S IT. Get the FUCK off of this list. >>> >>> NOW. >>> >>> I would beat the living daylights out of you if you were anywhere >>> nearby. On your front lawn, in front of your wife. >>> >>> Jackass. >>> >>> -Dave >>> >>> On 03/13/2013 02:27 PM, Chris Tofu wrote: >>> >>> >>> Who's exhibiting adolescent behavior but the people who continue >>> the bleating 24 hours nearly after the issue is resolved. >>> >>> Are you as disturbed when parents have no choice but to have >>> their children's impressionable minds addled with exhibitions of >>> cross dressers? What about little girls who are understandably >>> uncomfortable sharing a bathroom with a screwed up little boy who >>> wants to think he's a girl??? AND ARE THREATENED WITH PUNISHMENT >>> IF THEY DARE COMPLAIN ABOUT IT. Does that bother you as much??? A >>> whole freaking day later you're still wining???!!! Why do people >>> get so blown out by a little comment??? if I'm required to be a >>> vegetable that has to walk on egg shells for fear of offending >>> some little deviant, let the mods ban my account. Which just >>> might speak volumes, seeing numerous individuals spout off with >>> explitives, but "fag" or "homo", oh no don't ever utter those >>> words. >>> >>> And in the interim Brian, go strait to Hell where you belong. >>> You and the rest of the FAGS, the ACLU, and all the other weirdos >>> who defend and promote diseased, aberrant behavior. Those that >>> want to victimise the most vulnerable amongst us. Go to Hell, go >>> to Hell, go to Hell. And yes I though it was necessary. >>> >>> ------------------------------ On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 10:46 AM PDT >>> Brian Knittel wrote: >>> >>> The list member's "homos" comment is in addition to the "Barney >>> Fag" comment a few weeks ago. I put in a filter to delete the >>> person at that time so didn't see the most recent example. >>> >>> Recognizing that we're dealing with an adolescent boy, the best >>> response is to ignore him, whether the post is one of the >>> childish rants or not. >>> >>> No comment or argument from this group is going to have any >>> effect other than to please him. A filter makes this very easy, >>> barring that, just don't reply to anything. Simple. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA >> >> >> > > >-- >Dave McGuire, AK4HZ >New Kensington, PA

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Xerox 820-II & external FDC

by enrico.lazzerini＠email.it

Hi all, I did not think that my request for help would have so many people interested. First of all, I do have ONLY the 820-II motherboard without houses, or anything, and it does not have any FDC chip on its board. I got curious and found the document 610P72384_820-II_Technical_Reference_1984 available here http://www.textfiles.com/bitsavers/pdf/xerox/820-II/610P72384_820-II_Technic al_Reference_1984.pdf . On the schematics on page 60 and the following there is no trace of any FDC. On page 57 the manual says that the connector for floppy disk is a dual personality depending on the type of daughterboard installed in the motherboard ... but I not have ever seen it. From the movie http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9OwwolhLuE at minute 0:15 you can see a card that could be a controller. Does anyone know its exact code? On page 30 of the same document document 610P72384_820-II_Technical_Reference_1984 is specified the connection between the J1connector (37 pin D-type) and the controller SA 14030 (which i have with me but has huge dimensions in order to enter the houses of the xerox): names assigned to the wires connection seems that a protocol would been used but do not know what ... maybe SCSI?? In addition at pages 48 and 49, the same connector is used to connect the board with drive 5 "and 8" drives and here the names on the connecting wires are the same used with the classic drives. Thanks in advance for any useful info. Enrico

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Adolescent behavior, was Forget UPS was Re: Shipping Heavy/Large Items Via UPS

by rampaginggreenhulk＠yahoo.com

I live in New Jersey where you're from little tough guy. You know the way. And what do I care who's your friend??? I'm supposed to continuously abide by the attacks against me, and your threats little punk. I don't think your enough man to take me on. Not that I find your petty threat the least bit credible. How pathetic. Yes little man you've given them enough reason for them to ban me. Congratulations for throwing gasoline on the match, from the getgo. ------------------------------ On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 11:58 AM PDT Dave McGuire wrote: > > What's angering me is the unbelievable shit you just spewed at a man >whom I consider a friend. > > You don't have to do what I tell you. I'm quite certain your days on >this list are numbered. One does not say shit like that and get away >with it. > > And as for my "little threat"...show up. Make my day. > > Fucking dirtbag. > > -Dave > >On 03/13/2013 02:52 PM, Chris Tofu wrote: >> What's angering you at this point, I don't know. Regardless you don't >> have the authority to ban me, nor tell me what to do. >> >> And as for your little threat, not likely Dave. Not very likely. >> Truly adolescent besides little man. >> >> ------------------------------ On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 11:43 AM PDT Dave >> McGuire wrote: >> >> >> Ok, THAT'S IT. Get the FUCK off of this list. >> >> NOW. >> >> I would beat the living daylights out of you if you were anywhere >> nearby. On your front lawn, in front of your wife. >> >> Jackass. >> >> -Dave >> >> On 03/13/2013 02:27 PM, Chris Tofu wrote: >>> >>> >>> Who's exhibiting adolescent behavior but the people who continue >>> the bleating 24 hours nearly after the issue is resolved. >>> >>> Are you as disturbed when parents have no choice but to have >>> their children's impressionable minds addled with exhibitions of >>> cross dressers? What about little girls who are understandably >>> uncomfortable sharing a bathroom with a screwed up little boy who >>> wants to think he's a girl??? AND ARE THREATENED WITH PUNISHMENT >>> IF THEY DARE COMPLAIN ABOUT IT. Does that bother you as much??? A >>> whole freaking day later you're still wining???!!! Why do people >>> get so blown out by a little comment??? if I'm required to be a >>> vegetable that has to walk on egg shells for fear of offending >>> some little deviant, let the mods ban my account. Which just >>> might speak volumes, seeing numerous individuals spout off with >>> explitives, but "fag" or "homo", oh no don't ever utter those >>> words. >>> >>> And in the interim Brian, go strait to Hell where you belong. >>> You and the rest of the FAGS, the ACLU, and all the other weirdos >>> who defend and promote diseased, aberrant behavior. Those that >>> want to victimise the most vulnerable amongst us. Go to Hell, go >>> to Hell, go to Hell. And yes I though it was necessary. >>> >>> ------------------------------ On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 10:46 AM PDT >>> Brian Knittel wrote: >>> >>> The list member's "homos" comment is in addition to the "Barney >>> Fag" comment a few weeks ago. I put in a filter to delete the >>> person at that time so didn't see the most recent example. >>> >>> Recognizing that we're dealing with an adolescent boy, the best >>> response is to ignore him, whether the post is one of the >>> childish rants or not. >>> >>> No comment or argument from this group is going to have any >>> effect other than to please him. A filter makes this very easy, >>> barring that, just don't reply to anything. Simple. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA >> > > >-- >Dave McGuire, AK4HZ >New Kensington, PA

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Adolescent behavior, was Forget UPS was Re: Shipping Heavy/Large Items Via UPS

by rampaginggreenhulk＠yahoo.com

What's angering you at this point, I don't know. Regardless you don't have the authority to ban me, nor tell me what to do. And as for your little threat, not likely Dave. Not very likely. Truly adolescent besides little man. ------------------------------ On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 11:43 AM PDT Dave McGuire wrote: > > Ok, THAT'S IT. Get the FUCK off of this list. > > NOW. > > I would beat the living daylights out of you if you were anywhere >nearby. On your front lawn, in front of your wife. > > Jackass. > > -Dave > >On 03/13/2013 02:27 PM, Chris Tofu wrote: >> >> >> Who's exhibiting adolescent behavior but the people who continue the bleating 24 hours nearly after the issue is resolved. >> >> Are you as disturbed when parents have no choice but to have their children's impressionable minds addled with exhibitions of cross dressers? What about little girls who are understandably uncomfortable sharing a bathroom with a screwed up little boy who wants to think he's a girl??? AND ARE THREATENED WITH PUNISHMENT IF THEY DARE COMPLAIN ABOUT IT. Does that bother you as much??? A whole freaking day later you're still wining???!!! Why do people get so blown out by a little comment??? if I'm required to be a vegetable that has to walk on egg shells for fear of offending some little deviant, let the mods ban my account. Which just might speak volumes, seeing numerous individuals spout off with explitives, but "fag" or "homo", oh no don't ever utter those words. >> >> And in the interim Brian, go strait to Hell where you belong. You and the rest of the FAGS, the ACLU, and all the other weirdos who defend and promote diseased, aberrant behavior. Those that want to victimise the most vulnerable amongst us. Go to Hell, go to Hell, go to Hell. And yes I though it was necessary. >> >> ------------------------------ >> On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 10:46 AM PDT Brian Knittel wrote: >> >> The list member's "homos" comment is in addition to the "Barney Fag" >> comment a few weeks ago. I put in a filter to delete the person at that >> time so didn't see the most recent example. >> >> Recognizing that we're dealing with an adolescent boy, the best >> response is to ignore him, whether the post is one of the childish >> rants or not. >> >> No comment or argument from this group is going to have any effect >> other than to please him. A filter makes this very easy, barring that, >> just don't reply to anything. Simple. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >-- >Dave McGuire, AK4HZ >New Kensington, PA

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Adolescent behavior, was Forget UPS was Re: Shipping Heavy/Large Items Via UPS

by rampaginggreenhulk＠yahoo.com

Yes Chuck I enjoyed and appreciate your inputs over the years also. But there's just too much going wrong with the fucking world to just sit idly by. That's the price that has to be payed I guess. Thanks for the kind words though. Bound to be a lot more then I'll get from anyone else. ------------------------------ On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 11:59 AM PDT Chuck Guzis wrote: >Sorry Chris, you just made my permanent spam filter. Too bad, it might have been fun.

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Guys.

by fraveydank＠gmail.com

Don't feed the troll. It's simple. If this list is run like any other I've been on, the troll will be gone soon anyway. - Dave

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OT: cctalk email

by feldman.r＠comcast.net

>Message: 8 >Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 19:32:01 -0400 (EDT) >From: Mouse < mouse at Rodents-Montreal.ORG > > >> Why is it that Allison's response to Enrico's CP/M query arrived at >> my ISP's mailserver on March 11, at 19.18.10 and Enrico's original >> mail arrived on March 12 at 00.26.08? > >In that specific case, I can't say. But see below. > <snip> >In this case, the most plausible explanation that comes to mind is that >the response you saw was sent out to both you and the list, and that >mail fromk the list to you is delayed - perhaps you're late on the >list, perhaps there's something about the mail path between the list >and you, I don't know. Thus, Enrico sends to the list. Allison gets a >copy quickly. Allison replies to you and the list. You get the >off-list copy. Then you get the list copy of Enrico's mail. Later, >you get the list copy of Allison's mail; perhaps you ignore it, perhaps >your software notices it's a duplicate and silently hides it from you, >I don't know. There must be a different explanation. I get the list in digest form. Allison's response was in one digest and Enrico's question was in a second, _Later_ digest. Bob

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Adolescent behavior, was Forget UPS was Re: Shipping Heavy/Large Items Via UPS

by brian＠quarterbyte.com

The list member's "homos" comment is in addition to the "Barney Fag" comment a few weeks ago. I put in a filter to delete the person at that time so didn't see the most recent example. Recognizing that we're dealing with an adolescent boy, the best response is to ignore him, whether the post is one of the childish rants or not. No comment or argument from this group is going to have any effect other than to please him. A filter makes this very easy, barring that, just don't reply to anything. Simple.

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long shot - need k a few keys/pots for Franklin PC 8000

by rampaginggreenhulk＠yahoo.com

I'll likely pull it out of storage today, and try to provide more details.

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long shot - need k a few keys/pots for Franklin PC 8000

by rampaginggreenhulk＠yahoo.com

I'll likely pull it out of storage today, and try to provide more details.

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Spare Keys for DECwriter III?

by Arno_1983＠gmx.de

Also included in my recent haul of DECquipment was a DECwriter III printing terminal. This is believed to be functional, but missing the "N" key and the outermost key in the low left (adjacent to CTRL and SHIFT, is that "ALT"? "NO SCL"?). Just asking if anybody got those as spares from an old junker and might be persuaded to part with them. TIA, yours sincerely, Arno

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My Atari 800XL on YouTube

by rampaginggreenhulk＠yahoo.com

------------------------------ On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 12:41 AM PDT Terry Stewart wrote: >I'd love an Atari 800 but its successor is OK too. (-: >http://youtu.be/rxmcUVYECJg > >Terry (Tez) Another excellent vid Terry. Just avoid 400s though. Unless you keep a ball peen hammer on hand with which to type.

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cctalk Digest, Vol 115, Issue 25

by FRED＠miser.misernet.net

>From: IN%"cctalk at classiccmp.org" 12-MAR-2013 20:00:02.92 >To: IN%"cctalk at classiccmp.org" >CC: >Subj: cctalk Digest, Vol 115, Issue 25 >Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 22:00:54 +0000 >From: John Many Jars <john at yoyodyne-propulsion.net> >To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" > <cctalk at classiccmp.org> >Subject: Re: Forget UPS was Re: Shipping Heavy/Large Items Via UPS >Message-ID: > <CAEvVyqF1W3dwMt_PEXFKS_Y7sRWeYK6=KymhHZVxpx=FL-+OOg at mail.gmail.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > >copy con edlin? *ducks* I also like the other Dave's XEDIT suggestion! :) Fred

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My Atari 800XL on YouTube

by terry＠webweavers.co.nz

I'd love an Atari 800 but its successor is OK too. (-: http://youtu.be/rxmcUVYECJg Terry (Tez)

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Jornadas was Re: DEC Pro 380 vs VAX 8800 console

by rampaginggreenhulk＠yahoo.com

------------------------------ On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 9:42 PM PDT mc68010 wrote: >On 3/12/2013 9:33 PM, Chris Tofu wrote: >> >> ------------------------------ >> On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 9:03 PM PDT Dave McGuire wrote: >> >> I don't know offhand, but amusingly, I know that seller well. That's >> a surplus place that I used to shop at every Saturday when I lived in >> Maryland. I haven't been there in about twelve years, but it was >> AWESOME the last time I was there. He was never really open to the >> public, but a group of us would go every weekend and drop way too much coin. >> I can believe it. 90$ for a Jornada??! >> >I once bought a Jornada for no other reason than to impress the woman I >was out on a lunch date with. I think I used it twice. It was the dotcom >days. I had more money than sense. I still have the stupid thing in a >drawer somewhere. The date went ok though. Did you marry her? I happen to like them. it's HP mon. I just don't think they command that much. Yes I do recall them being the rage back then. I even have a monochrome 360lx or something that I won for 1$ a couple of years ago. Like a fool I somehow plugged the wrong p/s in and started to smell caps. Haven't gotten around to opening it (if that's even practical). They're nifty.

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Putr and tu58 problems

by g-wright＠att.net

I'm trying to read some tu58 tapes with PUTR. mount dd0: com1:9600 /drive:0 It finds the drive and just cycles the tape back and forth with out any errors, forever. . If I remove the tape, it errors on device not ready. Watching the LEDs on my Serial cable break_out there is activity on both line 2 then 3 as the tape cycles back and forth. I have used the same drive on a PDP11 to read the directory on some of the tapes with out any problems. what am I doing wrong here. - Jerry

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think of buying Altair 8800 remake

by tom_a_sparks＠yahoo.com.au

I am think of buying an Altair 8800 remake ? --- tom_a_sparks "It's a nerdy thing I like to do" Child of the Internet born 1983 PGP DA98 A195 06AD 1330 7EB0??50C3 724C 9974 A7EF 6006 Please use ISO approved file formats excluding Office Open XML - http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html Ubuntu wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/tomsparks

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OT: cctalk email

by cclist＠sydex.com

I know this has probably been addressed at some time in the past, but I'm still bedaferated. Why is it that Allison's response to Enrico's CP/M query arrived at my ISP's mailserver on March 11, at 19.18.10 and Enrico's original mail arrived on March 12 at 00.26.08? Is Allison really prescient? Does the order that posts arrive in my email have anything to do with the order in which they were sent? Just curious, not really pitching about it. --Chuck

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Forget UPS was Re: Shipping Heavy/Large Items Via UPS

by rampaginggreenhulk＠yahoo.com

------------------------------ On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 1:34 PM PDT Fred Cisin wrote: >"There are three things I have learned never to discuss with people: >religion, politics, and the Great Pumpkin." -Linus >(but not Torvalds. That's a RELIGION) The actual adage was undoubtedly invented by someone that wanted to shut down legitimate discussion. People don't want to be challenged, don't want to change (intrinsic in that is to be shown they're wrong), don't want their ideas challenged by facts. Let's just agree not to talk about Microsoft though, because they are like a god to me.

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Forget UPS was Re: Shipping Heavy/Large Items Via UPS

by rampaginggreenhulk＠yahoo.com

------------------------------ On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 1:04 PM PDT geneb wrote: >On Tue, 12 Mar 2013, Dave McGuire wrote: > >> On 03/12/2013 03:24 PM, David Riley wrote: >>> As for other, less-fundamentalist religious people... well, according >>> to a number of leading figures from various religions, because I do >>> not share their myth, I am less than human: >>> >>> ...and all this has exactly NOTHING to do with vintage computers, so please, ALL OF YOU, go fight somewhere else. >> >> Better said than I could have. The only religions we need to talk >> about here are those of DEC, IBM, HP and a few others. We can all >> be polytheists when it comes to our electric sand. >> >> EMACS!!! >> >WordStar > > >Non-Document Mode. > > >Biatch. > >g. Can I be one of them too Genie?? Can I be that kind of pal to you just like Davey? You big strapping Great White Northern Top Gunner you! (And *if* that doesn't sound gay to you, there's something wrong...) > >-- >Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 >http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. >http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home. >Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies. > >ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment >A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. >http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_!

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Forget UPS was Re: Shipping Heavy/Large Items Via UPS

by rampaginggreenhulk＠yahoo.com

------------------------------ On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 12:55 PM PDT Dave McGuire wrote: >On 03/12/2013 03:25 PM, Chris Tofu wrote: >>> I have communicated privately with "Chris Tofu". I know him to be >>> a nasty, bigoted, hate-filled fundamentalist - and really very >>> stupid to boot. So all I wish to do is shut him up. >> >> >> Oddly enough, that perfectly describes both my assessment of and my >> desire concerning you. >> >> Please stop rationalizing your bigoted spew and shut the fuck up. >> >> >> Doc >> >> I mean really. I did approach him in a friendly manner, for the >> purpose of engaging in friendly debate. And it would seem he just >> couldn't handle it. I cannot understand why the discussion turned so >> vitriolic. I'll extend the olive branch once more, and even apologize >> fully for earlier comments. But like doc said you really need to shut >> that little trap once in a while Liam. > > There goes Chris, "extending his 'olive branch'" again. > > ("So THAT'S what they're calling it now!") > > -Dave > >-- >Dave McGuire, AK4HZ >New Kensington, PA Please. Don't give them any ideas... AND WHAT DO YOU MEAN LITTLE!!!

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5151 needed...

by geneb＠deltasoft.com

I'm looking to find a good, working IBM 5151 monochrome display and a PC/XT keyboard for a restoration I'd like to finish. If you've got one or both, please contact me off list. Thanks! g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home. Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies. ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_!

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Xerox 820-II & external FDC

by rrissell＠gmail.com

On 3/11/2013 11:37 AM, Enrico Lazzerini wrote: > > Hi, I received a Xerox 820-II mainboard. I've found that does not have a > FDC > > on board and that the 37-pin connector used to connect the floppy disk it > > seems to have a bus and its own protocol to talk to an external FDC board > > outside. Is there anybody who knows more and is it there a way to try to > > connect and operate the drive with this mainboard? > > > > Having cleaned the heads, about every other disk going through a box of > 8" 820 disk, sthere is nothing in the drive other than the drives and a > power supply. I am not sure if the 820-II is different but, I doubt it. > The cable just splits off to each drive. Everything is on the mainboard. > Years ago I had a 820-II with both the 8086 daughter board and a drive case with 8" floppy and HD (All of 3MB). As I recall the protocol was SASI (hence the heavily-shielded 37-pin cable).

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Forget UPS was Re: Shipping Heavy/Large Items Via UPS

by rampaginggreenhulk＠yahoo.com

------------------------------ On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 11:49 AM PDT Mike Loewen wrote: >On Tue, 12 Mar 2013, Liam Proven wrote: > >> As for other, less-fundamentalist religious people... well, according >> to a number of leading figures from various religions, because I do >> not share their myth, I am less than human: > > ...and all this has exactly NOTHING to do with vintage computers, so please, ALL OF YOU, go fight somewhere else. I happen to agree Mike. But some people can't refrain from complaining about every little thing. Incidentally I found myself a bit perturbed over the long drawn out discussion of slide rules, was tempted to say something once or twice, but kept my mouth shut. But others... >Mike Loewen mloewen at cpumagic.scol.pa.us >Old Technology http://sturgeon.css.psu.edu/~mloewen/Oldtech/

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Forget UPS was Re: Shipping Heavy/Large Items Via UPS

by rampaginggreenhulk＠yahoo.com

------------------------------ On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 11:00 AM PDT Dave McGuire wrote: >On 03/12/2013 01:48 PM, Liam Proven wrote: >> On 12 March 2013 17:19, Mouse <mouse at rodents-montreal.org> wrote: >>> Also Home Depot and Lowes, though Lowes insist on being homos lately. >> >> "homos"? I'm having trouble thinking what that could possibly mean >> here; none of the meanings I've come up with make sense in this context. >> >> It's hate-speech. Short for "homosexual" and used as a generic insult. >> His excuse being that his magic sky-pixie tells him to hate gay >> people, making both him and his religion loathsome. > > I have the same magic sky-pixie. Said sky-pixie doesn't tell ME to >hate gay people. Hating gay people is about PEOPLE, nothing more. Lots >of people use religion to justify all sorts of shitty behavior. > > BTW...Religion is not the same as belief. Personally, I have the >latter, but precisely ZERO of the former. > > So, please watch yourself, and your assumptions. "Homos" is no more >"hate speech" than "magic sky-pixie", etc. > > -Dave Uh boy I was hoping this wouldn't continue. But certain drama queens refuse to let a meaningless litle comment go unpunished. sniff. Let's examine this hatred for just a moment. Would a "hater" call up a NATIONAL radio show, and proclaim TO THE NATION that I thought it was unfair for Adam Smith to be discharged from his position after that little escapade at a drive through. ONLY AFTER stating I was FURTHER TO THE RIGHT on the issue of gay "rights", gay "marriage", and gay acts (ewww) in general. I don't tolerate, accept, nor celebrate deviant behavior, but I can be fair to people at the same time. So that is the extant of my hatred for homos. And speaking of little FAGGOTS - in this context grown men who insist on acting like prissy little girls, Liam you are now officially A LIAR. What happened to all this talk of ignoring my posts??? Seemingly you can't wait for me to post something. I'm kind of feeling stalked at this point.

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Price estimate on Altair 680b enclosure Optima ES case

by rwhyre+cctalk＠picrad.com

I'm looking for an enclosure for a vintage-style computer, and I'm hoping to get an estimate for the Optima ES case used for the Altair 680b, among other things. Has anyone on the list ordered one of these recently?

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Flextra BR-3020 or BR-3225 25/50MB Floppy Drive

by robin＠hx-20.com

Does anyone have a Brier Technology BR-3020 or BR-3225 high capacity floppy drive I could borrow please? Thanks Robin

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Xerox 820-II & external FDC

by rampaginggreenhulk＠yahoo.com

------------------------------ On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 11:37 AM PDT Enrico Lazzerini wrote: >Hi, I received a Xerox 820-II mainboard. I've found that does not have a FDC >on board and that the 37-pin connector used to connect the floppy disk it >seems to have a bus and its own protocol to talk to an external FDC board >outside. Is there anybody who knows more and is it there a way to try to >connect and operate the drive with this mainboard? > >Regards > >Enrico I have a 16/8. I could take some pictures of the innards later in the week. Mine is different (obviously) - has 1 5 1/4" floppy drive, and a hard disk.

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Wanted: Proof of Sale, HP PA 7100LC or Motorola 88110 Sold before August 16, 1994

by michael＠almegacy.com

I will pay up to $1,000 for original documentation that shows proof of purchase of a computer system containing either a Hewlett Packard PA 7100LC microprocessor or a Motorola 88110 microprocessor that was sold in the United States of America before August 16, 1994. This applies to computer systems or to the microprocessors (PA 7100LC or Motorola 881100). Proof of sale is an original sales receipt or other original paperwork that proves that the system was purchased in the USA before 8/16/94. If you still have the original system or microprocessor, I would also be interested in purchasing it for fair market value. Known systems that used the microprocessors of interest in the timeframe of interest are listed below: Motorola 88110 Microprocessor: ? Motorola MVME197DP or MVME197SP single board computers ? Motorola 900, 900R workstations ? Harris Real Time Unix Servers: Harris Night Hawk 5000 series (5800) ? Data General AViiON AV 9500, AV8500, AV550, AV500 ? Omron Luna88K Hewlett Packard PA 7100LC processor ? 9000 E-class business servers (Models E25, E35, E45, E55) ? 9000 Series 700 Models 712/60 and 712/80i ? 9000 Models 715/64, 715/100, 725/100 ? 9000 Model 743 or model 748i ? HP 3000 Series 9X8 servers such as HP 3000 Series 918 LX, HP 3000 Series 918 RX ? HP 3000 Series 928LX ? HP 3000 Series 928RX ? HP 3000 Series 968LX ? HP 3000 Series 968RX ? HP 3000 Series 978LX ? HP 3000 Series 978RX

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PDP 11/23 advice

by Arno_1983＠gmx.de

Ian Finder <ian.finder at gmail.com> wrote: > (...) The box appears to contain a complete 11/23 boardset! > I've wanted a PDP 11 for some time, so needless to say, it would be great > to make an actual PDP 11/23 out of the boards. Ooh, how things happen. Opposite problem here - I went to collect a promised 11/23 last weekend that was surplus to a university collection, what I got was a shell with power inlet, power supply, fans and backplane, but not a single board left within. This was to become my first pdp ever, so I'd also like to complete it and have it running... (Shipping the case would have been a problem anyway as I'm located in Germany). > I'd also need a disk at some point, but for now that's out of scope. Included in my haul were three RL01 and one RL02, the last one even including a pack. One of the '01s seems to be quite early, its white indicator/ID plug bears just the ID "0" in small type while the others have their IDs (2x "0", 1x"1") in large type and the word "READY" below, and it doesn't have the cover release access port on the right, so I don't even know whether there is a pack in that one too yet. Needless to say, an even larger problem to ship. (Shameless plug: I didn't get any cabling for the RLxx drives, just one terminator was included, so I'm in the market for some excess cables, perhaps a second term if I want to make them into two chains sometime, and "2" and "3" ID plugs if I want to make them into one long chain. Everything preferably from within continental Europe for ease of handling.) So long, Arno

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looking for a Sanyo MBC-775

by rampaginggreenhulk＠yahoo.com

Send me an e-mail please.

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CP/M load question

by ajp166＠verizon.net

On 03/11/2013 02:01 PM, Enrico Lazzerini wrote: > Hi at all, I'm sorry I'm not very prepared and my English is basic. > > I have a mainboard with CPU Z80 derived from the famous Ferguson Big Board 1 > (that i have working fine). It has a CPU Z80A running at 4MHz, 64KByte DRAM, > FDC 1797 with external data separator FDC9228BT. It equipped with its own > BIOS that is loaded into memory at address F800H but it not has the > operating system CP/M. > > > > If instead of his eprom i insert the firmware coming from Ferguson Bigboard > 1 (which is loaded into memory at address F000H) that has FDC 1771 it run > properly loading the operating system CP/M 2.2. I looked in my experience > and modified the CP/M loader and CBIOS to point at the entry points of the > bios at F800H, so the loader loads into memory correctly ALL the CCP, the > BDOS and CBIOS, but it not complete the boot CP/M with the prompt (the error > that comes to me is: track 2 sector 1 not found. it is an area where > normally there is no CP/M code and that it is regularly read with a simple > read command available from the firmware). This is difficult as the problem is clear that you have a FDC related hardware issue. The error occurs when CP/M starts up and attempts to "log the disk in" or generate a map of the directory. Its failing to read a valid directory likely due to the differences between 1771 and 1797 or possibly a bad sector on the media. Note the directory must be cleared (initialized) to all 0xE5. I cannot say what emulator would work best for you. I debug problems like this using a resident monitor rom and instrumented code (lots of messages). Allison > > > I ASK FOR: Anybody has any idea? Is there a Z80 emulator where I can load > the BIOS and i can try to load the operating system CP/M to see what type of > problem? > > > > Regards > > Enri > >

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PDP11/83 power up results - Thanks to members of cctalk who helped

by ddsnyder＠zoominternet.net

To all who provided kind assistance and advice. Finally had the time to properly power up some 11/83 Qbus cards. A KDJ-11B and 2 MSV1J's in a BA213 chassis, formerly a DECserver 550. The following is the power messages. ----------------------------------------------------- Testing in progress - Please wait Memory Size is 4088 K Bytes 9 Step memory test Step 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 Starting automatic boot Trying MU0 Message 14 Non existent controller, address 17774500 Commands are Help, Boot, List, Setup, Map and Test. Type a command then press the RETURN key: LIST Device Unit name numbers Source Device type DU 0-255 CPU ROM RDnn, RXnn, RC25, RAnn DL 0-3 CPU ROM RL01, RL02 DX 0-1 CPU ROM RX01 DY 0-1 CPU ROM RX02 DD 0-1 CPU ROM TU58 DK 0-7 CPU ROM RK05 MU 0-255 CPU ROM TK50, TU81 MS 0-3 CPU ROM TK25, TS05 XH 0-1 CPU ROM DECNET ETHERNET NU 0-15 CPU ROM DECNET DUV11 NE 0-15 CPU ROM DECNET DLV11-E NF 0-15 CPU ROM DECNET DLV11-F Commands are Help, Boot, List, Setup, Map and Test. Type a command then press the RETURN key: MAP 18.000 MHz CPU Options: FPA Memory Map Starting Ending Size in CSR CSR Bus Address address K Bytes address type type 00000000 - 07777776 2048 17772100 ECC PMI 10000000 - 17757776 2040 17772104 ECC PMI Press the RETURN key when ready to continue I/O page Map Starting Ending Address address 17765000 - 17765776 CPU ROM or EEPROM 17772100 Memory CSR 17772104 Memory CSR 17772200 - 17772276 Supervisor I and D PDR/PAR's 17772300 - 17772376 Kernel I and D PDR/PAR's 17772516 MMR3 17773000 - 17773776 CPU ROM 17777520 - 17777524 BCSR, PCR, BCR/BDR 17777546 Clock CSR 17777560 - 17777566 Console SLU 17777572 - 17777576 MMR0,1,2 17777600 - 17777676 User I and D PDR/PAR's 17777744 - 17777752 MSER, CCR, MREG, Hit/Miss 17777766 CPU Error 17777772 PIRQ 17777776 PSW Commands are Help, Boot, List, Setup, Map and Test. Type a command then press the RETURN key: ------------------------------------------------------- Continuing on to the next step is providing some storage media to hold RSX11M. I have a CMD SCSI controller to start with. I suppose by the time I finish SimH will look to be the easier route, but old hardware has a bit of a class to it. Dan Snyder Butler, PA USA

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TRS-80 Model 200 memory

by dm561＠torfree.net

----- Original Message ----- Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2013 18:38:53 +1100 From: Doug Jackson <doug at doughq.com> Hi, I have recently received and repaired a TRS-80 Model 200 machine. Woot! My query is if anybody has any experience in adding extra memory - I note that it has some sockets under it for memory expansion, but the recommended devices are 24k (A ceramic carrier with 3 x 8K chips and some decoding - Has anybody had experience using 62256 or similar parts? ----- Reply: Hi Doug, The Club100 list would probably be a better place to ask; I think Steve will be able to help you out. How'd you make out with that ROM upgrade I sent you? mike

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Shipping Heavy/Large Items Via UPS (was: Re: PDP 11/23 advice)

by bobvines00＠gmail.com

> Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 06:09:10 -0400 > From: allison <ajp166 at verizon.net> > To: General Discussion: On-Topic Posts Only <cctech at classiccmp.org> > Subject: Re: PDP 11/23 advice > Message-ID: <513DAD46.2010300 at verizon.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > On 03/10/2013 10:16 PM, David Riley wrote: >> On Mar 10, 2013, at 8:39 PM, allison wrote: >> >>>> Are chassis something that pop up from time to time? Are there multiple >>>> models that will take this board set? >>> If its Qbus it's likely a suitable candidate. >>> >>> Geography defines how easy it is to find stuff. Here in MA I tend to >>> trip on it >>> and I could not even give it away. In foreign countries not so much >>> L'll bet. >> I'll repeat my previous offer (made after you mentioned you had to >> take some BA123s to the dump): If you'll ship a BA11-M, -N or -S, >> or a BA23 or BA123, I'll pay shipping and a reasonable fee. Around >> here (Philadelphia), they are surprisingly scarce (either that, or >> I'm looking in ALL the wrong places). > Either that or I look in all the right dumpsters. > > I took the 123s to the dump. Reason is crating for shipment would be > expensive. > They weight more than I can lift easily. > > BA23s are amazingly heavy as are BA11s. > > For that reason when I have excess I've always made it clear shipping is > NOT > going to happen. They just don't go in a cardboard box via UPS. > > So happens I have a complete BA11 box with cards last used it was > operational. > However shipping if out of the question, can't pay me enough to deal > with that. > > With that I'll add this... > Over the years Ive gotten a lot of systems and parts because people got > into > the hobby and found they could not deal with the space or technical issues. > I've see a lot more go to the dumpster for the same reasons. Often the > collection they have is a lot of random hardware and really short of docs. > Without documentation your not going to get far and the internet is not > all the answer. Consider that before you start. > > > Allison UPS will ship fairly large items in their cardboard boxes, but it's *expensive*. I recently received some DECmates with their RX02s (which were still in their furniture/carts). Each 3x3x3 box weighed nearly 150 pounds. The previous owner gave them to me for the price of UPS packing & shipping them. He took them to his local UPS Store and had them do everything from that point. A friend of his helped him take the stuff to the UPS Store. The items were not crated like Allison mentioned above, but were severely bubble-wrapped. Some of it was double-boxed in addition to the bubble wrap and packing peanuts. Needless to say, the UPS driver was less than thrilled about the size & weight of the boxes -- fortunately I was there to help him unload his truck. His truck was the standard size brown truck, not a tractor/trailer like they subcontract for really large items. Bob

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Apex / Avocent Outlook EL-40DT EL80DT KVM Switch Firmware

by glen.slick＠gmail.com

Anyone have any old Apex / Avocent Outlook EL-40DT or EL80DT KVM switches around that could check to see which firmware version they have, and if they happen to have firmware version 2.0.3 (or newer) do you also have the means to dump the firmware EPROM to an binary image file? Or does anyone already have a binary image file of the 2.0.3 firmware? I can't find that anywhere on the net. It appears that Apex / Avocent might have only sold the firmware update as a replacement EPROM (as part EL-80DT-FW) and didn't make the image available for download on their website. If you have one of these KVM switches the firmware version can be displayed as shown in page 52 of this manual: ftp://ftp.avocent.com/public/product-upgrades/Outlook/EL40-80DT/OL_DT_UG.pdf -Glen

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Xerox 820-II & external FDC

by enrico.lazzerini＠email.it

Hi, I received a Xerox 820-II mainboard. I've found that does not have a FDC on board and that the 37-pin connector used to connect the floppy disk it seems to have a bus and its own protocol to talk to an external FDC board outside. Is there anybody who knows more and is it there a way to try to connect and operate the drive with this mainboard? Regards Enrico

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CP/M load question

by enrico.lazzerini＠email.it

Hi at all, I'm sorry I'm not very prepared and my English is basic. I have a mainboard with CPU Z80 derived from the famous Ferguson Big Board 1 (that i have working fine). It has a CPU Z80A running at 4MHz, 64KByte DRAM, FDC 1797 with external data separator FDC9228BT. It equipped with its own BIOS that is loaded into memory at address F800H but it not has the operating system CP/M. If instead of his eprom i insert the firmware coming from Ferguson Bigboard 1 (which is loaded into memory at address F000H) that has FDC 1771 it run properly loading the operating system CP/M 2.2. I looked in my experience and modified the CP/M loader and CBIOS to point at the entry points of the bios at F800H, so the loader loads into memory correctly ALL the CCP, the BDOS and CBIOS, but it not complete the boot CP/M with the prompt (the error that comes to me is: track 2 sector 1 not found. it is an area where normally there is no CP/M code and that it is regularly read with a simple read command available from the firmware). I ASK FOR: Anybody has any idea? Is there a Z80 emulator where I can load the BIOS and i can try to load the operating system CP/M to see what type of problem? Regards Enri

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PDP 11/23 advice

by charlesmorris800＠centurytel.net

I have a H9273-A backplane gathering dust that I'll sell cheap. -Charles

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Slide Rules (was: Calculators)

by mtapley＠swri.edu

James (and Chris), I graduated in 1980, McCallum High School, Austin, Texas. We had a slide rule team, with a coach. In addition, my Biology and physics teachers all let me use slide rule for all homework and tests, giving me credit if my answer was within about 0.5% or so. Dunno whether that counts, but if so would push the date out to 1980. I did get a TI-59 (still have it, sticky keyboard and I'll bet the card reader doesn't work) middle of my senior year. That was a pleasant culture shock... I don't know that I ever saw one of the six-foot-long "supercomputers" :-) . At 20:07 -0600 3/2/13, <James> wrote: >This leads me to my belief that I was the last slide rule teacher.? >In 1975, in Ghana, .... -- - Mark 210-379-4635 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Large Asteroids headed toward planets inhabited by beings that don't have technology adequate to stop them: Think of it as Evolution in Fast-Forward.

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PDP 11/23 advice

by ian.finder＠gmail.com

Hi everyone, I recently obtained a box of stuff. The box appears to contain a complete 11/23 boardset! I've wanted a PDP 11 for some time, so needless to say, it would be great to make an actual PDP 11/23 out of the boards. My options appear to be purchasing a complete chassis with a backplane, power supply, and IO-- or alternatively building my own replacements for these parts. I'd also need a disk at some point, but for now that's out of scope. Can anyone comment on the feasibility of either of these options? Are chassis something that pop up from time to time? Are there multiple models that will take this board set? Alternatively, is the backplane something fancy I'd be unable to roll my own of? Cheers, - Ian Sent via mobile.

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Available retro-computing PCBs

by LYNCHAJ＠YAHOO.COM

Hi There are many N8VEM PCBs remaining for the ECB systems http://n8vem-sbc.pbworks.com/w/page/35044530/PCB%20Inventory There are about three S-100 Regular Prototyping boards (non-buffered) and about seven S-100 LAVA board PCBs http://s100computers.com/My%20System%20Pages/Lava-10%20Board/LAVA-10%20Board .htm For planning purposes, I've ordered another batch of the XT-IDE V2 PCBs which should be here in late Mar 2013 http://www.vintage-computer.com/vcforum/showwiki.php?title=XTIDE+Rev2 The initial batch of twenty XT-FDC V1 PCBs will be here for the initial builders in late Mar 2013 http://www.vintage-computer.com/vcforum/showwiki.php?title=XT-FDC+Rev1 Finally, I am planning on ordering the second prototype board for the SCSI to IDE/SD (aka S2I) bridge board as soon as the PCB gets updated with all the builder feedback. Hopefully this will be in the next few days. http://n8vem-sbc.pbworks.com/w/page/62549548/S2I%20Firmware%20Status If you are interested in any of the above projects please contact me at LYNCHAJ at YAHOO.COM Thanks and have a nice day! Andrew Lynch

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Imaging a Tape

by steve＠stephenmerrony.co.uk

What is the current best practice for creating an image of a SCSI tape in such a way that it can later be used to reliably make a replica of that tape? I have a fully functioning SCSI tape drive (via Linux at the moment) and want to image various sorts of Data General (and other) tapes safely and also duplicate a couple of them. They are in various odd formats. I can use the non-rewinding device (/dev/nrst0 etc) to get individual files off the tapes but that is tedious and writing a tape like that seems like a nightmare. I found tcopy and built it - but it expects two drives and does not deal with the drive-and-file case. Steve DG Info and Restoration Blog - http://stephen.homedns.org/dg/

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Natsemi MM5736 pinout

by jules.richardson99＠gmail.com

Does anyone happen to have the pinout handy for a Natsemi MM5736 IC (mid-'70s)? In particular, I want to know which pin is GND. I came home with a little Novus 650 calculator yesterday, but the power switch (which switches the ground line) is dead - of course the keypad's heat-staked so before I waste time having to do surgery in order to clean switch contacts, I'd like to see if the calc looks like it might be otherwise functional. cheers Jules

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Slide Rules

by feldman.r＠comcast.net

>Message: 6 >Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2013 09:43:21 -0800 (PST) >From: Fred Cisin <cisin at xenosoft.com> > >So, is it a flat spiral or a helix? >Either one at 10" diameter is an impressively long scale, for a LOT of >accuracy! It seems like it would be physically impossible to make a flat spiral _SLIDE_ rule (where one scale can be repositioned against another scale). The Computer History Museum has a spiral slide rule (http://www.computerhistory.org/collections/accession/102633252), but it is not clear from the picture if the scales _SLIDE_ against each other. In a spiral, the area of a segment that as one degree wide by one spiral line to the next decreases as one goes toward the center, so a slide would bind if you tried to turn it toward the center or would be loose and not evenly contact the next band if you turned it away from the center. In an earlier post in this thread, someone said that they had not used their slide rule in anger. As a kid, I made something that would have been useful if they had wanted to. I took a cheap wooden slide rule, lightly sanded the groves, waxed the slide, and wrapped four big rubber bands along the length, so one end was on the outer part at one end and the other end was on the slide. Worked sort of like a cross bow or spear gun. I could send the slider through 6 layers of corrugated card board at about 20 feet! Bob

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Burroughs adding machine

by jules.richardson99＠gmail.com

Any early Burroughs experts here? Yesterday I discovered a Burroughs "Style no. 3" adding machine in a junk/antiques store (the kind of wonderful store where you have to dig through stuff to get to more stuff, and when you get to that there's even more stuff underneath/inside it :-) Anyway, it's got the pedestal, side-desk and printing mechanism (at least I assume that the gubbins at the back is a printer, although I couldn't immediately see how it transfers to the paper - poss. just not visible with the platen in the way). It seems to be basically the same as this one: http://www.fi.edu/learn/sci-tech/adding-machine/adding-machine.php ... except: 1) it doesn't have the row of red/white keys across the top, 2) the desk on this one is much larger/nicer, 3) there's no ornate Burroughs script at the base of the keyboard area; instead it says "Burroughs" and "center of type" above the keyboard, 4) the backing to the keyboard seems to be black (not green) 5) the keytop for the lower-left key on the keyboard is red (and a little larger), not metal. The mechanism seems free and cosmetically it's in pretty good shape, considering that it's probably pushing 100 years in age - the main drawback is that it's missing one of the '2' keys (the R/H side glass is cracked and the rubber pads at the top of the pedestal have disintegrated, but both of those problems should be solvable). Immediate questions: 1) Any idea of age? s/n is 27434. I'm leaning toward 1906 as that seems to be when the no. 3 showed up, and by October of that year there had been some 40,000 of them built - but that's assuming that the serial numbers don't carry across all models. I'm surprised if they built that many of them before they were rendered obsolete by a newer model, though. 2) The lack of '2' key is really the main thing stopping me from bringing this thing home. I expect they're common to many early Burroughs machines; is anyone known to carry parts from junk machines, or has anyone succeeded in creating a reproduction key using modern materials? cheers Jules

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MPX-16 (Was: BS about "changes in cost of cheapest machines"

by rampaginggreenhulk＠yahoo.com

------------------------------ On Fri, Mar 8, 2013 11:59 AM PST Chuck Guzis wrote: >On 03/07/2013 11:34 PM, Chris Tofu wrote: > >> Okay, I've got the schematics for the Explorer 88/PC (Netronics R&D, New >> LItchfield, Conn), which uses an 8250 for async, has a separate keyboard >> and cassette interface. No video as far as I can tell. >> >> Would you consider sharing these with your down trodden brothers in the community who've had to go without? > >Google Is Your Friend. Look at the ad on page 4 of this PDF: > >http://www.thecomputerarchive.com/archive/Magazines/Kilobaud%20Microcomputi… > >Netronics marketed a variety of kits--the original Explorer, which I believe was a Z80 box, the Explorer 85, which was an 8085 box and the Explorer 88/PC. Looking at the prices is somewhat germane to the original topic. Can you imagine spending $250 for a floppy controller card or $300 for a keyboard? > >Marcus has some "Blue Seed" stuff on his site: > >http://maben.homeip.net/static/S100/IBM/5150%20PC/blue%20seed%20IBM%20Mothe… > >--Chuck I'll check it out. Thanks for getting back. So many find my "condition" offensive. A lot of people indeed do have a problem with people's problems. I'm doing my best to address the logorreah (and my poor spelling). But Hashem it's not like it's halitosis! I feel so isolated. As long as Top Gunner doesn't consign me to the iggy bin I feel I'm making progress. I have a lot of interest in sbc's. I wish I knew how to better research them, in particular the quasi mythical millions of 80186/80188 based embedded controllers. I walked into a place in Bohemia Long Island many years ago and they were manufacturing just that. Apparently a great many small companies were doing just that -

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MPX-16 (Was: BS about "changes in cost of cheapest machines"

by rampaginggreenhulk＠yahoo.com

------------------------------ On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 4:26 PM PST Chuck Guzis wrote: >Okay, I've got the schematics for the Explorer 88/PC (Netronics R&D, New >LItchfield, Conn), which uses an 8250 for async, has a separate keyboard >and cassette interface. No video as far as I can tell. Would you consider sharing these with your down trodden brothers in the community who've had to go without? >I also have an ISA card with 6 banks of 4164s and an Intual DUART on it. > >And I recall the "Blue Seed" kits. Please expound. >Lots of interest in the early PC, apparently. Aye. >--Chuck >

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BS about "changes in cost of cheapest machines"

by mtapley＠swri.edu

At 18:11 -0600 3/7/13, <cctalk-request at classiccmp.org> wrote: > > I decided that way because that price beat Ciarcia Circuit >> Cellar's price for a *kit* for an 8086 SBC, > >"Micromint SB180??"? (PC compatible 9 slot) >I built one of those. Don't remember the exact name (MPX-16 from later posts), but pretty sure that's the system! Fred, you are positively the Man; that is totally awesome! How did the board work out? One of my few computing regrets is never getting to play around on that machine, although I love the Mac. I did get a Rainbow 100B years later, so I got as much of MS-DOS (3.10b) as I wanted. Decided I liked CP/M 80/86 better, and the Rainbow did that too. -- - Mark 210-379-4635 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Large Asteroids headed toward planets inhabited by beings that don't have technology adequate to stop them: Think of it as Evolution in Fast-Forward.

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BS about "changes in cost of cheapest machines"

by mtapley＠swri.edu

At 3:22 -0600 3/7/13, Fred wrote: >1985 Mac ~$3000 >1985 Mac using scrounged stuff ~$3000 - NOT AN OPTION. >1985 Mac bare ~$3000 (Macintosh was not amenable in the 1980s to cutting True in general, but my Fat Mac in about 1985 [1] cost ~$1500 (new) including University of Texas' academic discount (I was a student). I decided that way because that price beat Ciarcia Circuit Cellar's price for a *kit* for an 8086 SBC, and the 68000 looked more powerful to me than the 8086. I mistakenly thought that I'd be writing most of my own software in either case - and I've yet to really learn any assembly language. I totally misjudged the development of MacOS and applications, or the speed at which MS-DOS' hardware requirements would advance ... Anyway, my point is that exceptions to Apple pricing did exist, and were (at least in my case, though not necessarily for the right reasons) decisive. [1] I was going to say, "I still have it", but on thoughtful consideration, I guess I only still have the bottom and front bezel of the case and the CRT. Power supply re-built, logic board upgraded to Mac Plus which required replacement of case back. Not too sure about the frame - is that the same between a Plus and a Fat Mac? I still have the mouse and keyboard and power cable. -- - Mark 210-379-4635 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Large Asteroids headed toward planets inhabited by beings that don't have technology adequate to stop them: Think of it as Evolution in Fast-Forward.

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MPX-16 (Was: BS about "changes in cost of cheapest machines"

by rampaginggreenhulk＠yahoo.com

------------------------------ On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 3:19 PM PST Fred Cisin wrote: >http://books.google.com/books?id=zQWNinpbFx0C&pg=PA120&source=gbs_selected_… >p158 Just how compatible was this thing? Did the article make any references to vid? I must assume the bios was supplied by phoenix or someone -

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Personal Computer Museum of Brantford, Ontario in today's National Post!

by pet4032＠gmail.com

http://business.financialpost.com/2013/03/07/vintage-computer-museum-aims-t… The National Post is a national Canadian newspaper with a circulation of 144,116. Personal Computer Museum site: http://www.pcmuseum.ca/ If you are ever up in the Southern Ontario area, it is a must visit! Cheers, Bryan

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Did Dave Dunfield's cp/m archive on classiccmp.org go boom ?

by rampaginggreenhulk＠yahoo.com

------------------------------ On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 1:27 PM PST mc68010 wrote: >None of my links are working anymore. Just gives a 503 error. I need me some disk images. Apparently no one has heard from Dave in a while.

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BS about "changes in cost of cheapest machines"

by rampaginggreenhulk＠yahoo.com

------------------------------ On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 12:57 PM PST Chuck Guzis wrote: >On 03/07/2013 12:42 PM, Fred Cisin wrote: > >> It had NINE slots, with the alternate ones spaced the same as the 5150, >> thus permitting 5150 case if you didn't need bracket on four of them. >> But, the UNUSUAL part about it was that it was designed to work from a >> terminal, instead of PC style keyboard and screen. That apparently didn't >> work out, so he came out with a keyboard ISA card. (to make the machine >> forgettable) > >I have a booklet of schematics for a very similar kit, but I don't think the name is "Micromint". Also, wasn't the UART something like an 8274, rather than an 8250, shared with DRAM on an ISA board? > >--Chuck The articles appeared in BYTE, was even on the cover of one issue. An individual gave away one on this list a few years ago (took a minute, Rich Cini).

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BS about "changes in cost of cheapest machines"

by rampaginggreenhulk＠yahoo.com

------------------------------ On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 12:57 PM PST Chuck Guzis wrote: >On 03/07/2013 12:42 PM, Fred Cisin wrote: > >> It had NINE slots, with the alternate ones spaced the same as the 5150, >> thus permitting 5150 case if you didn't need bracket on four of them. >> But, the UNUSUAL part about it was that it was designed to work from a >> terminal, instead of PC style keyboard and screen. That apparently didn't >> work out, so he came out with a keyboard ISA card. (to make the machine >> forgettable) > >I have a booklet of schematics for a very similar kit, but I don't think the name is "Micromint". Also, wasn't the UART something like an 8274, rather than an 8250, shared with DRAM on an ISA board? > >--Chuck The articles appeared in BYTE, was even on the cover of one issue. An individual gave away one on this list a few years ago (took a minute, Rich Cini).

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Keyboard with skull and crossbones key (U11)

by barythrin＠gmail.com

Anyone know what keyboard this is/was and if it was really standard? One of the dudes collecting stuff at Electronics Plus last weekend I think got it for a collector friend who's on this list. There were two of the keyboards, obviously from some government terminal/system but only one had the key. On top it was a skull and crossbones but on the user facing side it I believe said U11 as with most of the keys up there so it seemed legit. Thought it was funny but can't find much mention of it out there. Alternatively if you have it and have a pic somewhere I'd love to see it again :-) - John

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TOSEC on archive.org

by barythrin＠gmail.com

Its the actual programs offered or just the list of known apps?

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Raspberry Pi

by rampaginggreenhulk＠yahoo.com

------------------------------ On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 3:45 AM PST Alexander Schreiber wrote: >On Fri, Mar 01, 2013 at 09:36:24PM -0800, Chris Tofu wrote: >> Well, back then the internet was a much more open, trusting environment. >> >> And even back then, _proper_ system setup safeguards (limiting access to >> rsh/rlogin, enforcing strong passwords, ...) could have severly limited >> the spread of the worm. >> >> C: Not to mention that probably every internet host on planet earth was running UNIX. > >No. There were plenty of other systems, among them VAXen with VMS and >others. okay that is a good point. but I'm sure all those were still woefully in the minority >> ??? Was the worm supposed to attack Commie 64s? Coco's? Those vile Timex Sinclairs? > >If you'd bothered to read a bit, you'd know the anser. the answer to what Alex. whether the worm would attack car Commies, Cocos or Sinclairs? I already know that answer thanks. >Kind regards, > Alex. >PS: Fix your quoting, having to repair it is annoying. >-- >"Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and > looks like work." -- Thomas A. Edison

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Temperature scales (was: Re: Slide Rules)

by mtapley＠swri.edu

On 5 March 2013 22:30, Tony Duell <ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk> wrote: >Actually, for practicla purposes 10 is a very inconvenient base for a >measuremtn sytem becuase it has so few factors. ... >Not me!. Assuming you mean pure water at normal atmospheric pressure >I'll have 273.15 for freezing and 373.15 for boiling. Wouldn't you *really* rather have, say, *144* degrees between freezing and boiling, or maybe between absolute zero and freezing? I mean, if 10 is an inconvenient base, 10^2 has all the same problems twice over... :-) P.S. At 1:29 -0600 3/6/13, Arno Kletzander wrote: >Now that's the bad news, This Is America (and across a large body of >water from my POV). Hm. I'm thinking we should start taking up a collection to purchase a transatlantic-capable yacht for Will Donzelli ... (more :-) ) -- - Mark 210-379-4635 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Large Asteroids headed toward planets inhabited by beings that don't have technology adequate to stop them: Think of it as Evolution in Fast-Forward.

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TOSEC on archive.org

by geneb＠deltasoft.com

TOSEC, The Old School Emulation Center archives are now on archive.org. There's a lot of interesting stuff in the collection. Check it out: http://archive.org/search.php?query=collection%3Atosec&sort=-publicdate Capsule descriptions are needed for the various collections - if you can help, join the #iatosec channel on any efnet IRC server. tnx. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home. Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies. ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_!

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DEC and non DEC disk packs

by useddec＠gmail.com

Still digging for several requests for parts, and have found some packs I don't need. 5- RK07K-DC Some have labels on them including XXDP, but I have no way of checking them. I think there is one RK06 pack left also. 2- RA60-P Used, no idea what is on them. 1- RA60-P Looks new , sealed in plastic bag with some cutd in the bag. 2- 80MB Looks like RM02/03, CDC9762 packs No other numbers found yet 1- CDC883-51 CE pack 1- CE pack, looks like RP06, or al least that size. No other numbers found yet. All untested, if interested, please contact me off list. shipping from 61853, IL Thanks, Paul

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BS about "changes in cost of cheapest machines" (Was: Raspberry

by rampaginggreenhulk＠yahoo.com

------------------------------ On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 6:02 PM PST Fred Cisin wrote: >> >I think in addition to cctalk and cctech, we need a third list - ccrant? >> ...or cccranks... > >Ok, Ok. > >cclogorrhea Sure why not. But it takes logorrheic to know one. Maybe there's an equivalent 12 steps....

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BS about "changes in cost of cheapest machines" (Was: Raspberry

by rampaginggreenhulk＠yahoo.com

------------------------------ On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 5:33 PM PST Ian King wrote: >I think in addition to cctalk and cctech, we need a third list - ccrant? >-- Ian ...or cccranks...

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Assorted books FFS

by dgriffi＠cs.csubak.edu

I have some books that I'd like to get rid of for cost of shipping plus maybe a beer. It should be around $5 for anyone in the US. *Instructor's Manual for Problem Solving and Programming in Fortran 77 (3rd ed) by Cunningham *UNIX Primer Plus by Waite Group Staff (1983, Softcover) *Introduction to WordStar by Arthur Naiman (1983, Paperback) *WordStar with Style by Roger White (1983, Paperback) *The Illustrated CP/M WordStar Dictionary with MailMerge and SpellStar *Word Processing on the Kaypro by Peter A. McWilliams (1983, Paperback) -- David Griffith dgriffi at cs.csubak.edu A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail?

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Printer collecting [Was: Laserjet fuser rollers - cleaning]

by Arno_1983＠gmx.de

On 03/02/2013 04:52 PM, Mr Ian Primus wrote: > Speaking of old LaserJets - does anyone aside from me collect them? > I've got a decent collection older models, although somehow I don't > have a LaserJet II or original LaserJet. I do have the oddball 4V > though. Yep, I have to admit that I also collect printers, and not just one series at that... I do have some rather common models as "workhorses" (NEC P2200, LJ3, LJ4, -L, -M plus) or because I was given them and couldn't bring myself to throwing them out yet (far too many HP, Epson and Canon inkjets) but tend to focus on exots and niche models otherwise - NEC CP7 and Star LC24 with their multizone color ribbon, Citizen Overture and Sharp JX lasers which very visibly are early copier descendents, two OKI linear LED array printers, one of the infamous Tektronix "edible solid ink" power-hogs (a 340 I think; wish I could scrounge up a few reasonably priced ink sticks for that one, hint hint!), the "professional" HP Deskjet 1200 and 1600 models. Also three thermo-transfer units for various print sizes (all made by Mitsubishi, I think, two of them large flat things close to 19" format, one smaller desktop unit), which while primary intended for video still printing, also have parallel in! terfaces, but with consumables prohibitively costly for any kind of operation). What I'm missing yet is a "real" daisywheel printer (I have both a Triumph-Adler and an IBM typewriter with bolt-on interface boards - not that I would mind having a Diablo terminal at some time too), any sort of High Speed Printer from the olden days (drum, chain, belt, shuttle, or single-line needle) or truly esoteric stuff like the (DataProducts) hydraulic driven needle printer our local university collection has. Happy printing, guys! So long, Arno

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My NEC PC-8201a on YouTube

by terry＠webweavers.co.nz

Another of my vintage computers on YouTube. This time that lesser known sibling of the TRS-80 Model 100, the NEC PC-8201a. http://youtu.be/d6z6nzzXlUQ It was the second computer I owned! Terry (Tez)

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UNISYS line (band) printer FTGH

by n8uhn＠yahoo.com

No Worry's Arno, i list this printer once a year or so for the last two years. i will sit here, taken care of, till someone does get it (no scrappers!) the only reason i grabbed years ago it is because i like watching band printers in action and it has the centronics option and the standard unisys port. these days, when needing to keep text from a radio decoder or procomm, i save it digitally on the same pc that is running the app so no need to run reams of fanfold through a line printer. Bill >Let's hope it finds a good home anyway. I've still got an option on a >Centronics Linewriter LW800 band printer or a Siemens 9045 shuttle >printer which might become available locally and I should reserve my >space in case I need to rescue _that_. >So long, >Arno

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UNISYS line (band) printer FTGH

by Arno_1983＠gmx.de

Bill Allen Jr <n8uhn at yahoo.com> wrote: > I have a dishwasher sized unisys 9246-7 line printer to give away (...) Sounds great, w/manuals, Centronics being pretty much universal and such. > the printer is located in Alpena MI 49707. Now that's the bad news, This Is America (and across a large body of water from my POV). I once succeeded in having some moderately large piece of equipment (two Aries Research tower machines, which are Sun clones, posted and given away by Sellam) hauled overseas, but that was only because I knew Hans Franke of VCF Europe fame, who had a whole container-load of stuff assembled for shipment over here back then. I don't suppose there is something similar going on at the moment, seeing the overall economic situation? Then I'm probably out of luck here. > with all the talk about printers and the person posting possible pick up > of old gear along his travels, i thought i's post this printer again - i > need the room :) Let's hope it finds a good home anyway. I've still got an option on a Centronics Linewriter LW800 band printer or a Siemens 9045 shuttle printer which might become available locally and I should reserve my space in case I need to rescue _that_. So long, Arno

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RS-80 Model 200 memory

by fjkraan＠xs4all.nl

> Hi, > > I have recently received and repaired a TRS-80 Model 200 machine. Woot! > > My query is if anybody has any experience in adding extra memory - I note > that it has some sockets under it for memory expansion, but the recommended > devices are 24k (A ceramic carrier with 3 x 8K chips and some decoding - > Has anybody had experience using 62256 or similar parts? > The M200 reference manual has a diagram of the RAM module. It is just three 8kx8 RAMS and a 74LS138. So with a conversion socket, a 32kx8 RAM will probably work too. http://electrickery.xs4all.nl/comp/m200/doc/TRS-80_Model-200_reference-manu… This type of caramic devices was core business for Kyocera, which made the M100 line of computers. Fred Jan

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Most favorite calc of all time was Re: Calculators

by rampaginggreenhulk＠yahoo.com

At this point I'd have to say my dearly departed HP 50G. Loved the look of my 2 semi or entirely dead 49G's. Hated using them though. At some point I really want a 48cx. At that point I'll probably consider my collection complete.

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Slide Rules

by barythrin＠gmail.com

At the antique science and retro-tech show they have the international slide rule competition each year. Not sure if they're mostly collectors or daily users but seems an impressive feat these days. Given i think the competitors are mostly the same appropriate age as well. Be fun to see someone young come in.

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Raspberry Pi

by c.murray.mccullough＠gmail.com

Message: 25 Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 09:45:17 -0700 From: ben <bfranchuk at jetnet.ab.ca> To: cctalk at classiccmp.org Subject: Re: Raspberry Pi Message-ID: <512F899D.2020803 at jetnet.ab.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On 2/28/2013 9:19 AM, Liam Proven wrote: On 28 Feb 2013 15:07, "ben" <bfranchuk at jetnet.ab.ca> wrote: On 2/27/2013 5:34 PM, geneb wrote: On Wed, 27 Feb 2013, Tony Duell wrote: I don't know how that got sent half-done! Problaby becuase you are using some modern device.... Why don't you create a device with the equivalent (at least) abilities of the Raspberry Pi, but with your "enhancements" and sell it for $35. Until that happens, I suggest you sit down, shut up and quit being a cranky tonker. g. I disagree here. That is mass market prices. Yes, of course. That is the entire point of the exercise. How small & cheap can one make a reasonably modern computer that can surf the web and run modern graphical programming tools such as Scratch. The answer is, ?25 - and I think that is pretty impressive. I want a computer *Done* right. HP calculators ~ 1975 was the last computing device I have seen done right. What does that mean? Build quality doesn't really enter into it. It's a single, credit-card sized PCB. It has an under-specified processor & an over-specified graphics chip, but they are what was available cheaply from the day job of the designers. It's not as open as I'd like. But for the money, it is stunning. What would you have done differently? Bear in mind the price point. Equal or lower price only. What would you change? That "low price is best trend" I would change. For me a modern programing tool is "text editor" and 80x24 text screen on 15" display. Explain to me why a cheap PC in my home can't keep up to the net (windows 7) and a credit card computer can do better for surfing. Ben. "Anyone can build a fast CPU. The trick is to build a fast system." Seymoure Cray ****************************************************************************************************** Past and the future of computing is forever changing as what we believe to be true of the past isn?t always right. Something comes along and revision is necessary. One more thing; I apologize for bringing Computing the old way - Is it a thing of the past? but I have to add this: Is the Raspberry Pi something we want to experience? Can we teach kids how computers work today? Is there a need to do this! As far as I can determine they want them to work when they turn them on; not to know how they do something! Just do it! That?s their attitude and mass-marketers know this. Sorry about this rant. I?ll add this: No Internet; no multi-media may be what people want: A 1980?s computing technology where word processing, spreadsheet(ing) and database(ing) is just what many want! Here are three quotes that sum up my view: Pliny the Younger wrote: Historia quoquo modo scripta delectat. History, however it is written, always pleases(!). And paraphrasing Gotschke, the microcomputer was pre-determined, ?unfolded as by fate, as by a biological metamorphosis?. And finally, Ted Nelson, of Computer Lib fame, writes: ?The strange thing is that all of this took so long(development of the personal computer) and then happened so suddenly.? Murray--

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Most favorite calc of all time was Re: Calculators

by wlewisiii＠gmail.com

On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 12:00 PM, <cctalk-request at classiccmp.org> wrote: > From: Ian King <IanK at vulcan.com> > Recently, I bought another 48SX for my middle-school-age daughter. She > loves freaking out her fellow students - and the teachers - with her RPN > skills. That's MY little girl! - Ian Heh. And tying this back to another recent thread, my 11yo son has been watching with fascination as I relearn how to use my slide rule (a rather abused Pickett N600-ES). I'm hoping to have him using it too before long. That would surprise a few teachers I think ;) William -- Live like you will never die, love like you've never been hurt, dance like no-one is watching. Alex White

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A note about classic computing

by c.murray.mccullough＠gmail.com

I forgot to say from Murray--

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Looking for Research Machines 380Z/480Z disk images

by ats＠offog.org

Hi all, Iain Hancock has asked me to pass the following message on to the list: > Hi > > Myself and a few others are collating disks, disk images and programs > for the Research Machines 380z. It's a CP/M machine that was widely > used in UK schools in the early 80's just before the BBC micro was > launched. It provided the first use many British schoolkids had of > micro's and computer programming, and along with it's software played > a very important part in the 1980's uk computer revolution. > > Anyway, there were a surprising number of specific educational and > games programs written for it (and hundreds of games written on it by > schoolkids, inc me ) that are in danger of disappearing with the > dreaded disk-rot. Hence we are trying to locate any Research Machines > disks we can, before it's too late > > Presently we have imaged & extracted about 50 disks worth; they will > go on the yahoo 380z group and an archive site we're setting up, > www.rml380z.org > > Please does anyone here have any 380z (or 480z) disks you might have > picked up along the way? > > We've been imaging them to IMD's and using the normal tools to > extract. Have a script to extract individual files and provide dir > listings so we'll get them up on the site in no time. If anyone can > share images they've done please let me know, or we can make images > here and return disks to you... > > cheers! > > Iain, UK > > PS if anyone can find a copy of an rml basic program "ace invaders", > extra points will be awarded :-) I've dug out a bunch of RM floppies from my collection, and there were a few in Don Maslin's archive that I've also passed on to Iain. We've imaged floppies in these formats (cpmtools diskdefs file) so far: http://offog.org/stuff/rm/rm-diskdefs ... but there are also some RM 8" formats defined in the manuals, which we've not found any examples of yet. It appears that RM used 0x28 as the first byte in their CP/M serial numbers. Thanks, -- Adam Sampson <ats at offog.org> <http://offog.org/>

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UNISYS line (band) printer free to good home or collector

by n8uhn＠yahoo.com

I have a dishwasher sized unisys 9246-7 line printer to give away. comes with 5 ribbons,manuals and centronics option. works great and has a clean type band. the only thing i don't have is the punched paper tape loop for the line spacing/form spacing reader. the printer is located in Alpena MI 49707. with all the talk about printers and the person posting possible pick up of old gear along his travels, i thought i's post this printer again - i need the room :) Bill

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TRS-80 Model 200 memory

by doug＠doughq.com

Hi, I have recently received and repaired a TRS-80 Model 200 machine. Woot! My query is if anybody has any experience in adding extra memory - I note that it has some sockets under it for memory expansion, but the recommended devices are 24k (A ceramic carrier with 3 x 8K chips and some decoding - Has anybody had experience using 62256 or similar parts? -- Doug Jackson VK1ZDJ http://www.dougswordclock.com/ -< My clocks http://www.vk1zdj.net -< My Amature Radio Activities

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Anti-Virus

by rickb＠bensene.com

No, in fact it was Outlook's wonderfully helpful address auto-complete feature, along with me being in a hurry and not verifying the address list before hitting send. -----Original Message----- From: Jules Richardson [jules.richardson99 at gmail.com] Received: Monday, 04 Mar 2013, 12:54pm To: cctalk at classiccmp.org [cctalk at classiccmp.org] Subject: Re: Anti-Virus On 03/04/2013 10:35 AM, Fred Cisin wrote: > On Mon, 4 Mar 2013, Rick Bensene wrote: >> My apologies for the misdirected email to the list. >> Rick Bensene > > But, unlike college administrators, > there was no attempt to blame the error on "a virus" Well, it was obviously a network misconfiguration :-)

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BS about "changes in cost of cheapest machines" (Was: Raspberry

by rampaginggreenhulk＠yahoo.com

------------------------------ On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 5:57 PM PST Fred Cisin wrote: >It's ZX80 time. >You CAN do wondrous things. >Or, you can bemoan the "need" for fancier crap. > >WHY can't they just say, "it's FUN! and you can cobble together the rest >of what you need to make it usable from the crap that is lying around" >And THAT is fun, too! Because it's ideological. Because it's the great great grandson of Acorn (I want one), it can't just be fun. It *has* to be wondrous, sliced cheese, the missing link, the Teseract. It *has* to be the life giving manna distributed by angels. All dat. Give him some credit though. He kind of summed it up appropriately - OLPC. STAMP, Arduino, TI Launchpad, Rpi, ... next. It is a learning tool. It is fun. It may even be awfully useful. It just ain't all dat.

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Commodore calculators was RE: Calculators

by rampaginggreenhulk＠yahoo.com

------------------------------ On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 1:50 PM PST Josh Dersch wrote: >On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 12:43 PM, Tony Duell <ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk> wrote: > >> > > That's what a mailing list is for Josh. To ask questions and get >> information. >> > >> > No, you logorrheic moron, it's for asking questions you can't find the >> > answer to with a two second Google search. >> >> >> I shall remembr this next time somebody asks a hardware quesiton on >> PDP8s, PDP11s, PERQs, HP9800s, etc. The scheamtics are on bitsavers or >> wherever, and that's all you need to find the problem... >> > >Yes, Tony. Asking a question or looking for advice about specific >hardware behavior after doing a fair amount of research on my own is >-clearly- the same thing as asking a question answered by just entering the >search term into Google. Thanks for clearing that up. > >- Josh O man. You see Joshy you touched on a nerve. Stomped on one even. Tony's been accused of the same thing. Perhaps for entirely different reasons. But Tony is as logarithmic as I am.

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Commodore calculators was RE: Calculators

by rampaginggreenhulk＠yahoo.com

------------------------------ On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 4:27 PM PST Liam Proven wrote: >On 3 March 2013 23:55, Josh Dersch <derschjo at gmail.com> wrote: >> On 3/3/2013 3:38 PM, Chris Tofu wrote: >>> >>> Doofis butt nugget. >>> >>> >>> What, are you twelve years old? >> >> 12 + 34. If it's any of you cotton picking business. >> >> Act like it. > >He's not smart enough to. I've had the misfortune to have had him >pester me privately by email. He can't spell, can't quote and has both >poor interpersonal skills and very poor manners. He believes a load of >superstitious nonsense and pesters people in private to try to infect >them with his mental dross. It is my considered opinion that he is >both of low intelligence and is not a very pleasant human being. > >I have him killfiled by means of a mark-all-read rule in Gmail, which >at least doesn't break up threads like deleting his messages would. >Sadly the Gmail UI means I see his messages if they are the last in >the thread - and he does like to try to get the last word. Still, it's >better than nothing. > >I recommend doing similar. I have bad manners? You obviously are an obsessed, mentally oppressed, disturbed individual. You can't quit telling people how badly you want then to ignore me. This is approximately the 3rd time. See a therapist. >-- >Liam Proven ? Profile: http://lproven.livejournal.com/profile >Email: lproven at cix.co.uk ? GMail/G+/Twitter/Flickr/Facebook: lproven >MSN: lproven at hotmail.com ? Skype/AIM/Yahoo/LinkedIn: liamproven >Tel: +44 20-8685-0498 ? Cell: +44 7939-087884 >

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Raspberry Pi

by rampaginggreenhulk＠yahoo.com

------------------------------ On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 4:16 PM PST Liam Proven wrote: >The CBM C64, the various Ataris and all the other successful home >computers were really pure games machines, with fancy graphics, stereo >sound, built-in joystick ports and so on. You've stated the pi is only a real use-ful computer because of it's ability to get on the net. But most bandwidth these days is used for rubbish. So what what exactly is wrong with the gaming aspects of the earliest, cheap home machines??? I purchased my first C64 AFTER buying my first (real) compatible. >The only /serious/ 1980s home computers - the ones /not/ mainly used >for games, that were also used for education, from primary >schoolchildren up to extensive use in universities, was the BBC Micro >family. Many an honors student would have loved to get their hands on a "game" computer in the 80s. I don't recall too many people that even had one. Most of us who had jobs bought one after hs. Admittedly something more capable. But I doubt 30,000,000 C64s would have sold if it was a boring brick.

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Commodore calculators was RE: Calculators

by rampaginggreenhulk＠yahoo.com

---------------------------- On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 2:59 PM PST Josh Dersch wrote: >On 3/3/2013 11:29 AM, Chris Tofu wrote: >> >> ------------------------------ >> On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 10:57 AM PST Josh Dersch wrote: >> >> On 3/3/2013 10:26 AM, Chris Tofu wrote: >>> Did Commie make only one? >> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=commodore+calculators >> >> Hope that helps! >> - Josh >> That's what a mailing list is for Josh. To ask questions and get information. > >No, you logorrheic moron, it's for asking questions you can't find the >answer to with a two second Google search. It's more fun to ask. An apparently fun for at least a few to answer. All you do is complain and respond with utterly ridiculous answers. >> Doofis butt nugget. >> >> > >What, are you twelve years old? 12 + 34. If it's any of you cotton picking business. >Josh

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3/9/13 19th Annual Antique Science & Retro-Tech show & swap meet this weekend

by barythrin＠gmail.com

Heads up for folks in the DFW area. Nice show full of vintage and antique scientific equipment. Been there quite a few times and always interesting stuff on the tables for sale. ANTIQUE SCIENCE & RETRO-TECH SHOW & SWAP MEET<http://www.slideruleguy.com/tx-1q13.htm>is this coming weekend in Irving, TX. DFW Airport Hotel 972-399-1010 4440 W. Airport Freeway (Hwy 183) Irving, TX exit Valley View Lane 10:00 am to 4:00 pm $5.00 ADMISSION

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Slide Rules

by rampaginggreenhulk＠yahoo.com

------------------------------ On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:01 PM PST Fred Cisin wrote: >> > Iwould also avoid 'lubricating' it with isocyano acrylic >> >hydro-copolymerising adhesive... >On Mon, 4 Mar 2013, Chris Tofu wrote: >> Oh I have to disagree there. Dip it in that crap then lay it on the >> desk. I guarantee it'll never get stolen. > >Keep your hand on it until the glue has set. But then I get stolen. But there goes that logoerria again. Fred started it. > >

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Slide Rules

by rampaginggreenhulk＠yahoo.com

------------------------------ On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 2:49 PM PST Fred Cisin wrote: >> > Iwould also avoid 'lubricating' it with isocyano acrylic >> >hydro-copolymerising adhesive... > >On Mon, 4 Mar 2013, Chris Tofu wrote: >> Oh I have to disagree there. Dip it in that crap then lay it on the >> desk. I guarantee it'll never get stolen. > >around here, that's a way to lose a desk. Defeats the purpose of stealing a slide rule though. Wouldn't it make more sense to take the desk w/o the funky contraption stuck to it? You in Oakland Fred?

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Commodore calculators was RE: Calculators

by rampaginggreenhulk＠yahoo.com

>> Shout out to all the other Logarithmic Morons out there! > >No, he did mean "logorrheic". >http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=logorrheic look who's logorrheiing

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Slide Rules

by rampaginggreenhulk＠yahoo.com

------------------------------ On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:41 PM PST Tony Duell wrote: >> >> On 03/03/2013 01:21 PM, dwight elvey wrote: >> > Never take your Picket slide rule to the beach!Dwight >> >> ...and never lube your Versalog with cornstarch. On a humid day, it can >> slow down calculation considerably. > > Iwould also avoid 'lubricating' it with isocyano acrylic >hydro-copolymerising adhesive... >-tony Oh I have to disagree there. Dip it in that crap then lay it on the desk. I guarantee it'll never get stolen.

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Commodore calculators was RE: Calculators

by rampaginggreenhulk＠yahoo.com

------------------------------ On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:43 PM PST Tony Duell wrote: >> > That's what a mailing list is for Josh. To ask questions and get information. >> >> No, you logorrheic moron, it's for asking questions you can't find the >> answer to with a two second Google search. > > >I shall remembr this next time somebody asks a hardware quesiton on >PDP8s, PDP11s, PERQs, HP9800s, etc. The scheamtics are on bitsavers or >wherever, and that's all you need to find the problem... Maybe he meant logarithmic moron. That's an honest mistake (for those who work, though I use the term loosely, at MalGrowthLoft) and much less insulting. I think. Maybe it's a complement even. Shout out to all the other Logarithmic Morons out there! >-tony

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Most favorite calc of all time was Re: Calculators

by rampaginggreenhulk＠yahoo.com

------------------------------ On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:24 PM PST Tony Duell wrote: >I bougth the first HP49G I saw. The documentation was non-existant, and >it was ridiculously buggy (to the extent that some advertised features >did nto exist, others werr unusable). After a few firmware upgrades >(and HP made this deliberately difficult if you didn't run a proprietory >OS), it was useable, but never really pleasant. I still use it, simply >because of the vast range of useful fucntions but... The question is though why so many people got duped into buying an "updated" model, with the same chip running at the same speed. Other then that it's appearance bloody rocked. 2.5 megs of memory. Endlessly clearing it's stack though. >> At some point I really want a 48cx. At that point I'll probably >> consider my collection complete. > >Waht is a 48CX? I know what a 41CX is -- I have a couple. I know what a >48SX is (I boguth the first one I saw...) and a 48GX (I was given one). >All of the mre nice machines. I meant 41CX. Everybody loves the 48G series I'm sure. But so slow... But with thw G,G+,GX at least, you don't get duped. I used to have a G and.GX. 49G had lots more memory though. Maybe I'll just buy another 50g and be happy... >-tony

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Commodore calculators was RE: Calculators

by rampaginggreenhulk＠yahoo.com

------------------------------ On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 10:57 AM PST Josh Dersch wrote: >On 3/3/2013 10:26 AM, Chris Tofu wrote: >> Did Commie make only one? > >http://lmgtfy.com/?q=commodore+calculators > >Hope that helps! >- Josh That's what a mailing list is for Josh. To ask questions and get information. Otherwise we'd just log in every morning and greet each other. Doofis butt nugget.

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Note about classic computing

by c.murray.mccullough＠gmail.com

Whether one is a hardware and/or software person is preserving old computers and ways of computing something that should be pursued? Is it a worthwhile exercise, having an intrinsic value or not, that should consume our valuable time? As one who enjoys working with old technology(Coleco ADAM) my answer is a resounding yes. What I get out of it ties me to the past which I cherish and makes today's computing experience much more satisfactory. And as one writer put it: ?I borrowed a friend?s Blackberry after my iPhone died: Basic capabilities are now five million times more difficult.? Maybe Backberry, aka RIM, should make using technology easier. How innovative! Should this not be technology's goal? Preserving old computers is a goal of mine and as Lyndel Prott puts it: A cultural heritage represents their(a people's) history, their community, and their own identity. Preservation is sought, not for the sake of the objects, but for the sake of the people for whom they have a meaningful life.? Is this not what classiccmp.org is all about? I think so.

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Anti-Virus

by rickb＠bensene.com

My apologies for the misdirected email to the list. Rick Bensene -----Original Message----- From: Rick Bensene [rickb at bensene.com] Received: Monday, 04 Mar 2013, 7:57am To: ralph at ppmfg.com [ralph at ppmfg.com]; cctalk at classiccmp.org [cctalk at classiccmp.org]; stan at ppmfg.com [stan at ppmfg.com]; gloria at ppmfg.com [gloria at ppmfg.com]; kathy at ppmfg.com [kathy at ppmfg.com] Subject: Anti-Virus Good morning, Good progress was made yesterday with the Anti-Virus. The Windows 2003 server software was reloaded in "repair" mode on the server. Then the new server-side anti-virus was successfully installed and is running properly. All files on the server are now properly protected. The Email anti-spam and anti-virus was also updated successfully. The only thing that remains is to push the new version of the anti-virus software to the desktop computers. That is something that I'll be working on this evening. Please still remain vigilant about websites and Email until the workstation software can be updated on each of your computers. The risk is greatly reduced with the Email anti-virus running, as well as the anti-virus running on the server, but there still exists some risk of a desktop computer getting infected, so please be careful. I expect that I should have the new version rolled out to the desktop computers this evening. Thank you, -Rick B.

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Slide Rules

by rampaginggreenhulk＠yahoo.com

------------------------------ On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 11:41 AM PST Dave McGuire wrote: > > I graduated from high school in 1987. Nobody had ever heard of a >slide rule by that time. They seem to have faded very quickly. I graduated in 85. I had one. Never said I did anything with it... I may have learned the very mostest basic function at one point. Couldn't tell you what it was though.

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