The 7800 is actually '83 or '84 developed. A small number were sold
then, and the rest sat in warehouses for a couple years. seriously!
-Mp
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sam Ismail [SMTP:dastar@crl.com]
> Sent: Sunday, June 29, 1997 6:06 PM
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
> Subject: Re: Encryptor Board...
>
> On Sun, 29 Jun 1997, Larry Anderson & Diane Hare wrote:
>
> > > the Encryptor, Jones Futura Corporation, Model ENC 100-1
>
> > > California Computer Systems, Model 2832 [has this big, black 3"x3"
> square
> > > and 3/8" thick block of resin on it, have no idea what it's
> hiding]
>
> NOTE: The description above is of two, separate cards.
>
> > I was reading in the Atari Game Systems FAQ that the 7800 carts are
> > encrypted with a special encryption and only those encrypted games
> get
> > access to the 7800's advanced video resources (otherwise it just
> gets
> > 2600 resources)... This was a measure by Atari to make sure to get
> a
> > share of the profits from 3rd party game developers. There could be
> a
> > slight possibility this is an encryption unit for the 7800 game
> > system...
>
> Hmmm. Interesting hypothesis. However, these boards are circa 1983,
> while the 7800 is circa 1986 or something.
>
> I'll go repost a request for info on the atari newsgroups.
>
>
> Sam
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> ---------
> Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete,
> Writer, Jackass
> I was reading in the Atari Game Systems FAQ that the 7800 carts are
> encrypted with a special encryption and only those encrypted games get
> access to the 7800's advanced video resources (otherwise it just gets
> 2600 resources)... This was a measure by Atari to make sure to get a
> share of the profits from 3rd party game developers. There could be a
> slight possibility this is an encryption unit for the 7800 game
> system...
>
> Currently no one knows (or is saying they know) how to encrypt 7800
> carts.
>
> Larry Anderson
>
> We've reverse enginnered the encryption. I forget the specifics: It
> was some sort of Public + Private key deal. The key size was 120
> *bytes* Not all of a cartridge needs to be encrypted (as little as
> 4K can be encrypted). Massive overkill for the time. No one has
> reported finding the keys yet. Probably never will.
>
> -Mp
The name of the book was something like that, I'll have to dig it up..
-Mp
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cord Coslor [SMTP:coslor@pscosf.peru.edu]
> Sent: Saturday, June 28, 1997 10:11 AM
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
> Subject: RE: which month?
>
> What was the name of that book? Wasn't it something about a mouse?
> Like,
> To Catch a Mouse, Make a Noise Like A Cheese?
>
> Curious to know.
>
> Thanks,
>
> CORD
>
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> NE ||
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> 68421-0308 ||
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> ||
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>
>
> On Sat, 28 Jun 1997, Matt Pritchard wrote:
>
> > I have a book about marketing, written by a Tandy VP which has a
> large
> > chapter on the birh of the TRS-80. He mentioned the day of the
> first
> > produced unit, (sept 15th I think) and game totals for the first
> months
> > or two (It seemed they only managed 3 computer a day for the first
> week
> > or two).
> > -Mp
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: bwit(a)pobox.com [SMTP:bwit@pobox.com]
> > > Sent: Friday, June 27, 1997 11:51 AM
> > > To: 'classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu'
> > > Subject: RE: which month?
> > >
> > >
> > > IIRC the TRS-80 was introduced in September 1977.
> > >
> > > ----------
> > > From: e.tedeschi
> > > Sent: Friday, June 27, 1997 7:39 AM
> > > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
> > > Subject: which month?
> > >
> > > I wonder if anybody here has the *exact* months of introduction
> > > of the
> > > three first *real* home computers introduced in 1977:
> > >
> > > a) the Apple II
> > > b) the Tandy TRS-80
> > > c) the Commodore Pet
> > >
> > > I need them for a book on collecting home computers I am
> > > researching
> > > for.
> > >
> > > Thank you
> > >
> > > enrico
> > > --
> > > ================================================================
> > > Enrico Tedeschi, 54, Easthill Drive, BRIGHTON BN41 2FD, U.K.
> > > tel/fax +(0)1273 701650 (24 hours) or 0850 104725 mobile
> > > website <http://www.ndirect.co.uk/~e..tedeschi>
> > > ================================================================
> > > visit Brighton: <http://www.brighton.co.uk/tourist/welcome.htm>
> > >
> > >
> >
OK. I've been away this weekend for the funeral of my
grandfather who passed away last week. I was thrilled
to come back and find my mailbox filled with threads
dealing with personal disputes (much was thankfully
kept off the list). I cannot continue to run this list
if I have to constantly mediate situations in which
adults are acting childishly. Therefore I am instituting
the 1 warning rule:
If you post something insulting/immature/inflammatory and
I receive a complaint you will receive a warning. If you
then do so again within a months time I will eject you.
Please do not follow up on this message to the list. If
you need to follow up send me personal mail. If you have
important comments regarding this rule that you feel I am
censoring send me a copy of the message and I will make it
available to list members. If you follow up to this to
the list regarding its unfairness consider that your
warning for this month.
----------------------------------------------------
Bill Whitson - Classic Computers ListOp
bill(a)booster.u.washinton.edu or bcw(a)u.washington.edu
http://weber.u.washington.edu/~bcw
PS. I _really_ did not want to have to do this.
IVIE(a)cc.usu.edu wrote:
> I wrote:
>> Sort of in the spirit of this list, I set up this configuration for
>> Internet
>> e-mail:
>>
>> - 8 MHz 80286 AT clone desktop
>[[[ snip ]]]
>> With this, we can do e-mail, and text-based internet stuff (I've got
>> Windows telnet and ftp programs as well), but graphic web browsing
>> is out (they all require a 386 or better).
>
>Have you taken a look at Arachne? I've not run it on anything but my
>trusty office 486 yet, but it claims to be able to run on anything
>PCish.
Yes, I looked at, but didn't try out Arachne. It's documentation said you
had to have a 386 to do graphical stuff. Might be a better text web browser
than Nettamer, though.
Clark.
Jordi Carceller (jordicr(a)eic.ictnet.es) wrote:
>I have a LAPTOP 80286. Can I connect to INTERNET with it?
>
>Does any Winsock exist?
>
>Which is the best software for MAIL and WWW? (using a 286, of course)
Sort of in the spirit of this list, I set up this configuration for
Internet
e-mail:
- 8 MHz 80286 AT clone desktop
- 4 Meg RAM (all the SIP sockets are filled)
- 20 Meg Seagate ST-225 MFM hard disk (C)
- 30 Meg Seagate ST-238R RLL hard disk (D) running from its
own RLL controller stolen from an XT clone my brother-in-law
tossed my way. I had a lot of fun getting it to work in
the AT clone.
- Trident super VGA video
- DOS 6, Windows 3.1 (barely fits on C).
- older Trumpet Winsock (version 2.something)
- Eudora e-mail (was using version 1.44, now using Eudora Light
version 3.01 which is slower, but has a feature I needed
that 1.44 didn't have).
- 2400 bps US Robotics Courier external modem (that I paid $700
for new in 1985!)
With this, we can do e-mail, and text-based internet stuff (I've got
Windows telnet and ftp programs as well), but graphic web browsing
is out (they all require a 386 or better). I haven't found a text,
Windows-based web browser.
I've also used Nettamer. It is a DOS-based internet package.
To run internet stuff in DOS, you usually need to put together
several pieces of software: TCP/IP, PPP or SLIP dialler, packet
drivers, etc. Nettamer does all this in one package and does
e-mail, ftp, telnet, Usenet, and web browsing. Web browsing is basically
text-only, but you can view graphics with an included viewer
if you've got a VGA display. The version I tried (1.07) doesn't
do frames or image-maps, and forms are a bit brutal. For example,
I've used the Altavista search form with it, but I'd probably be
pretty confused if I hadn't used the form in Netscape on another
computer beforehand.
You should be able to find Nettamer on Simtelnet and other
software archives.
So, you will probably want to use Nettamer instead of the Windows
route unless:
- you've got a decent amount of RAM (4 meg was quite a lot for
a 286)
- you've got enough hard disk space
- you have to have a GUI.
Right now, we just use the e-mail, when we absolutely have to
have graphic web browsing, we'll buy a new Pentium machine.
Or maybe I'll find a 386 motherboard for free...
Hope this helps,
Clark Geisler
> Sort of in the spirit of this list, I set up this configuration for
> Internet
> e-mail:
>
> - 8 MHz 80286 AT clone desktop
[[[ snip ]]]
> With this, we can do e-mail, and text-based internet stuff (I've got
> Windows telnet and ftp programs as well), but graphic web browsing
> is out (they all require a 386 or better).
Have you taken a look at Arachne? I've not run it on anything but my
trusty office 486 yet, but it claims to be able to run on anything
PCish.
http://www.naf.cz/arachne/
It's also being distributed by Caldera as WebSpyder
http://www.caldera.com/
Roger Ivie
ivie(a)cc.usu.edu
> The Floating Point socket will take either a KEF11-AA chip which
> holds floating point microcode, or you can plug a FPF11 board in next
> to the CPU and run the jumper cable to the socket. The FPF11 is
> 5 to 6 times faster than a KEF11-AA (and was accordingly more expensive
I have machines with both and the difference is noticeable even with
fairly simple stuff.
> I think a Commercial Instruction Set (CIS) microcode option may have be
> available as well, but I've never seen it installed. I'd guess it
> would've plugged into the "Spare" socket.
My 11/23b(+) has the CIS and FPP board. The CIS goes into spare.
Allison
I found a picture of another M8186 on the internet. It has one chip on
it, the CPU (Dual chips on a single carrier). The other 3 sockets are
blank. Mine has 2 chips. CPU BLANK BLANK CHIP. I don't have the M8186
in front of me, but does anyone know what the extra chip is for?
In a message dated 97-07-08 09:35:55 EDT, you write:
jordi carceller wrote:
<< I have a LAPTOP 80286. Can I connect to INTERNET with it?
Does any Winsock exist?
Which is the best software for MAIL and WWW? (using a 286, of course)
Greetings,
Jordi Carceller
jordicr(a)eic.ictnet.es >>
there is a program out in the shareware world called nettamer which will let
you do mail and text only web browsing. i plan to use it on my ps2 model 30
just to say i did it.
david
