In message <199707122130.QAA02137(a)Starbase.NeoSoft.COM> classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu writes:
> I was just checking out a new store near me and saw an HP 9836.
> Anyone know anything about this? It looked like a one piece setup
> with a built-in monitor and 2 5 1/4" floppy drives and keyboard. It
> was BIG. Can anyone tell me about it?
I can't tell you much about it, although if it's the machine I am thinking
of, the monitor is actually a separate box that locks in place. It's a
68000-based machine, and has GPIB as standard. SOme of them have a ROM board
containing (I think) HP-basic, while others boot from floppy.
> I also saw an HP 86 with lots of carts plugged into the rear and an
> HP 9816 monitor and HP 9121 3 1/2" dual drive unit. I'm talking to
> the guy about picking these up so if someone can give me some info on
> them I'd appreciate it.
The HP86 is basically an HP85 without the built-in monitor,tape drive,
or printer, but with GPIB as standard. The 9121 is a single-sided version of
the 9122 if that's any help.
> -----
> David Williams - Computer Packrat
-tony
> %but that a 25 _year_ old minicomputer on the same desk was still
> going strong.
>
> It really depends. No doubt minicomputer HD were reliable, but the
> early MFM stuff for PCs were shitty to work with.
Depends on the HDD. Some (such as the ST-225) were el cheapo products
(cheap at the time, compared with more expensive ones -- I have a 1984
adv't, listing ST-225's at $400; ST-251 at $600!)...IBM's Xybec controllers
were slow, tho' I don't know how reliable.
Some ST-506/412 -- e.g., the ST-225 -- drives lacked autopark heads, thus
inviting problems.
This advert appeared in an Australian newsgroup, obviously in error. It
turns out the guy is in Milwaukee, WI.
Perhaps some of you USA people are interested.
Hans Olminkhof
FOR SALE: Trs80/Tandy/Radio Shack Hardware & Software
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All items are in working condition unless otherwise noted.
You pay for shipping.
HARDWARE:
(2) Trs80 Model 4's (both need power supplies; 64K Non-Gate Array's)
(2) Radio Shack Line Printer VIII's (with extra ribbons)...both work
fine.
(1) Tandy DT-1 Data Terminal (w/manual, tech manual, spare keyboard &
parts)
(2) Trs80 Model 1's (each w/ expansion interface, manuals & monitor)
(1) Joystick for Model 1 (Big Five "Trisstick")
(1) TC-8 cassette interface for Model 1 (with tapes!)
(1) Radio Shack Line Printer II interface for Model 1
(1) Microtek MT-32 Printer/Memory module for Model 1
(1) Micro Mint 300 Baud Modem (for Model 1; w/ Comm80 cassette
software)
(1) Orchestra 90 Stereo Music Synthesizer (for Model 3/4 w/floppies &
docs)
(5) Single sided/Double density (180K) 5.25" floppy drives (orig.
Tandy)
(2) Tandy Color Computer 2's (Coco 2)
(1) Direct connect modem (300 baud for Coco)
(1) Tandy CM-2 Color Monitor (for Coco 3, but will do CGA on
IBM-PC's!)
SOFTWARE:
TRS80 MODEL 1:
Advanced Statistical Analysis (cassette)
Level 1 Game Pack (cassette)
Personal Finance (cassette)
Cassette Comm (obvious)
Temple of Apshai (cassette game)
TRS80 MODEL 3:
In Memory Information (cassette)
Assembly Language Tutor (cassette - Model 1 & 3, two copies one is
sealed)
Trs80/Z80 Assembly Language Library (Model 1 & 3; floppies)
Computer Graphics (Basic/utils/subroutines; floppy)
Compiler Basic (Model 1 & 3; floppy)
Series 1 Editor/Assembler Ver. 1.00 (floppy)
Trsdos 6.02.00 (orig. disk & manual)
Mail/File System Ver. 3.3 (Galactic Software; floppy)
Find It Quick-Instant Software (Model 1 & 3; floppy)
Mirco Courier Ver. 1.00.00 (floppy)
Profile Ver. 3.4 (floppy)
Micro Pilot Authoring System Ver. 1.00.00 (floppy)
Computer Assisted Reading Development C.A.R.D. (floppy)
Basic Course (cassette)
Scripsit (text editor; cassette)
Lots of cassette software...Mostly Model 3 stuff...some are orig.
tapes
TRS80 MODEL 4:
Profile 4 Plus Ver. 1.00.03 (floppy)
Disk Scripsit Ver. 1.00 (text editor; floppy)
Target Planner Calc (spreadsheet; floppy)
The Producer Ver. 4.0 (create basic programs using plain english;
floppy)
Deskmate
ReportStar (word processing/report creator; CP/M software - Montizuma
Micro)
COLOR COMPUTER 2/3 (CoCo2 or 3):
Mickey's Space Adventure (kid's game, sealed; floppy)
Ghana Bwana (kid's game, 2 copies- 1 is sealed; floppy)
Color Math (kid's math tutor, 2 copies- 1 is sealed; cassette)
Rocky's Boots (kid's game; floppy)
Flightsim I (for Coco 3; floppy)
Dungeons of Daggorath (kid's game, cartridge)
Personal Finance II (cartridge)
Color Scripsit (text editor; cartridge)
Spectaculator (spreadsheet program; cartridge)
BasicOS9 (floppy)
OS9 Profile (floppy)
Castle of Tharoggao (game; cartridge)
Rogue (Coco3; floppy)
Kronis Rift (Lucasfilm game, Coco3; floppy)
Chromacassette's (several with games and utils; cassettes)
MANUALS AND DOCS:
Oricle 80 (photo copies)
Tandy Home Education Systems - Vidtex
Basic Computer Games/More Basic Computer Games
Series I Editor/Assembler
Tandy Intelligent Modem DC-2212 (manual only- no modem)
Profile III Plus (no disk)
Super Scripsit (no disk)
Trsdos Ver. 6.1.2 (manual only, no disk...copies available upon
request)
Dow Jones Information Service User Guide
Business Mailing List
Quick Quiz
Lynn's Check Register System (photocopy)
Disk Course (photocopy)
Teacher Aid (photocopy)
T-Bug - Z80 Monitor & Debugging Aid (photocopy)
Micro Music (photocopy)
Tape Payroll System (photocopy)
Cross Reference Utility (photocopy)
Host Term (photocopy)
Show & Spell (photocopy)
Statistical Analysis (photocopy)
In Memory Information system (photocopy)
BOOKS:
Introduction to Trs80 Gaphics - Don Inman
Trs80 Graphics - Don Inman
Advanced Level II Basic - Don Inman/Bob Albrecht/Ramon Zamora)
Using the Trs80 In Your Home - Charles D. Sternberg
Trs80 Graphics for the Model 1 & Model 3 - David A. Kater/Susan J.
Thomas
Visicalc For Your Trs80 - Carol Klitzner/Matthew J. Plociak Jr
Visicalc Applications - Robt. E. Williams/Bruce J. Taylor/Brian L.
King
Business Programming Applications - Wm. Barden (for Model 1/3/2/16)
Introdcution to SuperScripsit Word Processing
Tandy Source Book (software applications - Vol. 8)
Business Programs for the Trs80 Model 1/3 - Charles D. Sternberg
The Rest of 80 - 80Micro Magazine Publications
80Micro's Review Guide
Trs80 Data File Programming Model 1/3 - Finkel/Brown
Encyclopedia for the Trs80 Vol. 1-10
Understanding Digital Computers - Radio Shack
Getting Started With Trs80 Basic (Model 1/3/4) - Radio Shack
MAGAZINES:
Trs80 Microcomputer News (1979-1986, some years complete, some not)
80 Micro (1981-1988; some years complete, some not)
MISC IBM & COMPATIBLE STUFF:
Model PC-130a 150 Watt switching power supply (new in box...never
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Atari SX212 External 1200 baud modem (For Atari and IBM; Hayes
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Viva 2400 baud Internal Fax/Modem (fax is 9600 send/4800 receive)
Telix VGA TTL mono monitor (must have TTL video card)
Epson FX-80 printer (still prints ok, carriage needs cleaning)
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ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell) writes:
> The HP86 is basically an HP85 without the built-in monitor,tape drive,
> or printer, but with GPIB as standard. The 9121 is a single-sided version of
> the 9122 if that's any help.
There are two flavors of HP 86, the 86A and the 86B.
The 86A does not have the built-in GPIB (aka IEEE-488 aka HP-IB).
Instead it has three connectors on the back. All three look the same,
like Centronics printer connectors but maybe with screw-downs instead
of ears. One is for a cable to a Centronics-ish printer. The other
two are for cables to external 5.25" floppy drives.
The 86B does away with all this and instead has an HP-IB connector.
Re: the 9121: yep, single-sided Sony stiffy drives that hold about
300KB I think. It's been too long and I have forgotten just about
everything except that the single-sided ones never seemed to hold
quite enough (this on HP 150s).
HP was an early adopter of the Sony 3.5" stiffies, back when it was
not clear that the 3.5" format was going to be the winner from the
several sub-5.25" media.
You know how 3.5" drives open the metal slider so they can get at the
medium? The very earliest drives didn't, and the stiffies didn't
spring-load the slider -- it was up to the user to slide the slider
before insertion into and after removal from the drive.
For a while there were goes-either-way stiffies: slider spring-loaded
so that they would close on eject from an auto-open drive, but also
with a catch so you could slide the slider over to the left before
insertion into a non-auto-open drive, then pinch the corner after
removal to release the catch and let the spring pull the slider
closed. That is why those stiffies have the legend "PINCH" near that
corner.
I don't know how pervasive these early drives were. The place where I
worked at the time had a few 1983-dated pieces of equipment (a 9121,
some 9133XVs) that were the auto-open variety.
-Frank McConnell
I need a 128 for my collection, care to part with one?
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> From: Marvin <marvin(a)rain.org>
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Saturday Haul
> Date: Saturday, July 12, 1997 10:23 PM
>
> Today was one of those good days/bad days. I ended up with quite a few
> machines I didn't have but ended up losing out on some stuff. The bad
> news? I bought an 11/23 w/ HD and it somehow got separated from the
> stuff I bought and I do not have it now. Second, that Spectragraphics
> CAD workstation I have been telling people about had 6 Sony color
> Trinitron monitors, all working, and they sold for $5 each. I am told
> (after the fact) that they are worth about $500 each on the used
> equipment market.
>
> Good news, I ended up with:
>
> Tandy 6000 HD w/docs and software
> ATT PC7300 w/ some docs and software
> Three Apple IIe computers w/ 4 floppy drives total
> Apple IIc computer w/monitor, printer, software, manuals
> Wang Computer model PC-XC3-2 (docs coming when they get found)
> Two Commodore 128C computers
> Non-Linear-Systems Kaypro II
> Two IBM PC Keyboards
> Six C64 game cartridges
> Modem for C64
> Radio Shack Printer
> 386 DX40 w/ 200 MB HD, 6 MB Ram
>
> Total outlay was about $30. Ham radio events can be a goldmine for old
> computer stuff!
To all Altair fans...
Well, my more-than-kind individual has provided me with the first of three
installments of the original Altair construction manual. He scanned all 102
pages of the doc and made it into a PDF document -- almost 7mb in size. He is
also providing me with manuals for "the 88-4K, 88-ACR, and other stuff." I'm
not too familiar with all of the available options since the Altair was really
before my time, but it looks like the 4k memory board and other stuff.
I'm not going to U/L the docs yet, first for size reasons, and second, until
we determine if we should try to contact Triumph-Adler...
On Thu, 10 Jul 1997, Jim Willing wrote:
>>So, it can be assumed that TA [Triumph-Adler of Germany] now >>owns all of
the rights to things MITS/Altair. I've tried to contact them >>on occasion on
related matters and have gotten no response of any >>kind to date.
Anybody have any thoughts?
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Rich Cini/WUGNET
- ClubWin Charter Member (6)
- MCPS Windows 95/Networking
> How is a PDP-11/23 compared to a 486SX/33?
An 11/23 is slower than a 486 if it's running faster than 16mhz. but a
486 is running single user.
> About how many percent is the PDP of the 486?
what is a PDP? choices 1,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,11/780,11/750,11/730?
> About how many percent of the 486 is the VAX?
Depending... first I've rarely seen a vax run a single user OS. A
486dx/33 compares to a 3100m38 if they are both running *nix. while the
vax is slower in MIPs it is the ultimate CISC and can do more in fewer
than a 486. It is also optimized for multitasking/timsharing something
the 486 is not.
Allison
> It's a pity that a lot of the custom uProcessors were never really
> publicly documented. That includes the ones found in the Sharp Basic
> calculators.
Some of the Sharp ones were documented - There are Technical reference/machine
language manuals for (at least) the PC1500 and PC1350 families - I have
both of them. Sharp service manuals (yes, they exist as well) contain
schematics/pinouts but little (if any) machine code information.
> Ben
-tony
>
In a message dated 97-07-12 19:18:47 EDT, DA Seagraves put forth:
you might want to post about it on comp.sys.dec newsgroup. i asked for some
info there on my uVAX ][ i got recently, and got some really good info from
the regulars there. there's a faq also, try ftp'ing to digital and look
around. i know there's one there.
<< For $200 I got a VAX from a business that went under.
It's a VAXserver 3100, with VMS 5.3 on it.
I have no idea what to do with it, this is the first time I've ever seen
VMS. I have a 50-user liscense. When I boot it up, it seems to wait
forever for DECWindows to get DECnet or something... Someone please
explain what this is and what it can do. Any help appreciated. This had
an IP number, so it may be on the Internet if I can make it work...
>>
david
In a message dated 97-07-12 07:42:02 EDT, Sam Ismail writes:
<< If you've ever heard that one Fleetwood Mac song, you'll recognize the
"tackle" sound in one part of the song where he sings "So digital" and
then you hear "blrrrp blrrrp". >>
actually, it's supertramp. =D
david
