Hi, folks,
Well, Bill Whitson has said he was going to collect these, but I've not
heard anything back from him since we missed each other last Sunday.
With that in mind, and pending any objection from him, I am offering the
following freebies to anyone who wants to pick them up from Kent, WA
(southeast of Seattle).
9-track tape drive, GCR-capable, Pertec interface. Made by StorageTek. NOT
OPERATIONAL -- needs work.
NCR 'I-Tower' computer system, with some manuals and peripherals. Processor
is a Motorola 68020 (I think). Condition unknown; fired up OK, but I had no
console attached. Case has built-in UPS (batteries may need replacement).
Various other odds and ends, including at least one 'tech special' UPS (not
on strike) and anything else I feel like unloading on whatever vict... uhh,
'collector' shows up.
;-)
Get back to me via E-mail if interested. Weekends work best. Thanks!
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http://www.wizards.net/technoid
"Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own
human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."
Message text written by INTERNET:classiccmp@u.washington.edu
>OK, here is the complete listing from the CCC of the machines made by
Atari. <
"Machines" really isn't the operative word; for instance, the list does not
include the Atari Pong, 5200 and 7800 game consoles. I assume what you are
trying to put together is a list of Atari "computers". That in turn takes
some philosophical interpretation as to what constitutes a "computer". The
2600 game console is on the list; I assume it's there because Atari made a
BASIC cartridge and a so-called "keyboard" controller for the unit, so it
was technically possible to do some quasi-BASIC programming on it, not
unlike a real computer. Of course, it only had something like 50 bytes of
RAM available (not 50K bytes; just 50 bytes). The number of keys on the
cheesy "keyboard" controllers were so few that each key had to do triple
duty depending on what "color mode" it was in at the time. (If that didn't
turn people off on BASIC programming, I don't know what would.) t had no
way to attach a printer, and it could not save to or load from tape (or any
other storage medium), so any programs developed could not be preserved.
So, is that a "computer" or not?
Then, Atari produced at least some "real" add-on keyboard units for the
2600. I believe they were originally called "The Graduate", but made it to
market in 1982 as "My First Computer". They had 8K, expandable to 32K, and
apparently saved/loaded from standard cassette units. So does the 2600
become a "real" computer at that point, and/or should "My First Computer"
be listed instead or separately? (For that matter, the XE Game System,
which is on the list, only becomes a "computer" when the
separately-marketed keyboard is added to it; otherwise, it is strictly a
cartridge game machine too.)
Gil Parrish
107765.1161(a)compuserve.com
Quarterdeck QRAM only did that with NEAT or LEAP chip sets from Chips &
Technologies, by using the shadow RAM mapping, and required 1MB on the
motherboard, not 640K. I didn't think that was a significant enough
market share to mention.
It would also work with a LIM 4.0 EMS board as I mentioned earlier.
Kai
> ----------
> From: Marvin
> Reply To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu
> Sent: Friday, August 08, 1997 1:50 PM
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
> Subject: Re: XT COMPUTERS
>
> Kai Kaltenbach wrote:
>
> > On a 286, you could use various LIM 4.0 compliant expanded
> > memory boards
> > (e.g. Intel AboveBoard Plus) or a wacky device called an
> > ALL Charge
> > Card, along with special software to map memory into the
> > location.
>
> Quarterdeck also had a program that would expand available
> memory on a 286 above 640K called QRAM. I used to have it
> many moons ago, but got rid of it when I was cleaning
> house. Somehow, it also would map memory into the A000-AFFF
> on a mono card, but would also make more memory available
> even with the EGA card. Can't remember how though.
>
Well as much as I hate to do it, this will be my last message to
this group for a while. Up until the first of the year, I'll be on the road
anywhere from 10 to 30+ days at a time, and this group generates far too
many messages for me to allow it to build up between retrievals! For those
of you that I deal with quite a bit, as well as those who might find info
that may be of interest to me and wish to send it, my email address below
will still be valid. I've gotten a lot out of this group, so keep up the
good work!
Jeff jeffh(a)unix.aardvarkol.com
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Amiga enthusiast and collector of early, classic microcomputers
http://www.geocities.com/siliconvalley/lakes/6757
A guy sent me e-mail soliciting some old computer stuff to sell. Here's
what he told me he has:
Lots of DEC stuff:
PDP-11/70s
MicroVax(en)
Tape Drives, etc.
Parts, etc.
A couple Intel development computers. Didn't go too much into detail
about these other than the fact that they have dual 8" drives. Sounds neat.
This guy is Rob Campbell. He is in Detroit, Michigan. His number is
(248) 583-9000. Call him, talk to him. Sounds like a reasonable guy.
Sam
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Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass
I dropped in the 11/23+ CPU and everything worked fine, except that my
EDSI harddisk has bought the big one...
According to ROM diags, I have EIS and FIS for CPU options and 1024Kwords
RAM. I plugged in my Infinite Loop and it ran. The one-instruction
infinite loop doesn't work, at 1000 it jumps to 1006 (JMP (PC)).
And the RX02 responds NO DISK, which is correct. Now all I need to do is
go find an operating system!
Does anyone have any programs or etc. that can be dropped in core with
ODT?
Anyone want any EPROMS?
Sam
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Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 16:41:53 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mikeooo1(a)aol.com
To: dastar(a)crl.com
Subject: Re: HHC docs
Sam,
Will do.It'll be out to you tomorrow first thing.Incidentally you might
ask that gentleman or any other interested parties for that matter if they
have a need for HHC eproms.I have a little over 5000 of them which I've been
offered a nominal salvage value for and I'll probably unload the whole batch
fairly soon.
Regards,Mike
Paul,
Sent this to the list. as it's generally useful.
<I think I've got an old rx33-but how would I plug it in?
Vs2000? there is a 60-70 pin header that takes a decunique cable the breaks
it down the floppy and mfm hard disks.
MVII can use a PC floppy cable to the first non twist cable. also It can
use PC MFM HD cables to the drive.
<And, what about non-DEC mfm drives-- can the hardware read them, but not VM
dec name COMMON NAME size
RD51 st412 10mb
RD52 quantum q540 ~35mb
RD53 micropolus 1325 ~71mb
RD54 maxtor-2190 ~159mb
RD31 ST225 ~20mb
RD32 St251 ~40mb
This is important to dec software, and booting.
Any other drive with the same number heads, cylinders, and tracks can be
used as it will map to a known(to the rom) drive. Other drives can be used
if the OS knows it and can boot from the known hard drive, floppy or net via
mop boot.
Allison
I got a whole box of interesting boards!
PDP-11 BOARDS:
M7264 - PDP11/03 processor, 4k ram, all 4 chip sockets used. Two of
these.
M8012-YA - Terminators+bootstraps. Two of these.
M8716 - DR11-W DMA INTERFACE, DR11-B IN HEX
M8728 - 64K MOS MEMORY
M8189 - 11/23+ CPU!! This goes in mine! 2 CPUs and an MMU?
PDP-8 BOARDS:
M8310 - Reg control for KK8E
M8300 - Major regs for KK8E
M8350 - Pos. IO bus interface
M8341 - EAE REGISTER CONTROL
M8340 - EAE INSTRUCTION DECODER
M8655 - KL8-J, KL8-KA, QUAD, 110 to 9600 CONT, Two of these.
DEC10 BOARDS:
M8603 - Massbus interface data board
M8521 - CACHE DATA
M8580 - MF20 DUAL TRANSLATOR, Two of these.
M8604 - DX20 MASSBUS INTERFACE CONTROL, HEX
M8571 - LP20 DATA PATH W LA180 CAPABILITY
M8605 - DX20, DATA PATH BUFFER STORAGE
M8743-AF - 1 Meg ECC RAM
M8606 - DX20, DATA PATH FORMATTER
M8607 - DX20, IBM CHANNEL BUS INTERFACE FOR DX20-C
M8558-C - KI MEMORY BUS ADAPTER. Marked "BAD FOR KL10" Doesn't LOOK
bad...
M8723 - ???
M8579 - MF20-M, 256K 11-bit MOS RAM. Fifteen of these!
M8585 - LP20 TRANSLATION RAM. Two of these.
M8586 - LP20 CONTROL.
M8516 - ECL to TTL translator
VAX BOARDS:
These make an 11/785 CPU, I think...
M7459 - TRS, TERMINATOR & SILO, 11/785
M7463 - KA785, CDM, CACHE DATA MATRIX
M7474 - KA785, CLK, CPU CLOCK
M7462 - KA785, CAM, CACHE ADDR MATRIX
M7475 - KA785, JCS, JOINT CONTROL STORE
M7467 - KA785, DEP, CPU DATA PATH "B"
M7472 - KA785, CEH, CONDITION CODES, EXCEPTIONS, HIGH BITS
M7473 - KA785, ICL, (INTERRUPT CONTROL, LOW BITS)
M7476 - KA785, USC, MICRO SEQUENCER CONTROL
M7477 - KA785, CIB, CPU CONSOLE INTERFACE
M7460 - KA785, SBL, SBI CPU LOW BITS INTERFACE
How many more do I need to finish a KA785?
And when I get them, can I drop this in a Unibus or is it a special bus?
Found this in comp.sys.3b1. It could be a pretty good deal if you
are in the NY area. It may not yet quite yet be a classic, but it
should be soon.
--pec
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From: larry(a)biancx.com (Larry Racies)
Subject: 3b2 FS or For Grabs
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T&T 3b2-400 in a 310 case
SVR3 installed
Plus 16 AT&T manuals
and a few floppies.
You name it. Located in NY City.
Pick it up and take it away.
Larry
