For those who asked:
I have tried with no success to contact Bill Whitson to get another address to
send the 4mm tape with the Altair Scans (he must have closed his PO Box). The
tape is sitting in my office just waiting...
Rich Cini/WUGNET
It wasn't until yesterday's topic of "Those pesky db15 ports" that I
remembered a couple of terminals that I hauled home recently.
The terminals have a DB15 for both the monitor and keyboard.
Anyway, I hauled home a couple of IBM 3101 terminals. They
consist of a base unit, a monitor, and a keyboard. From the ID
tags they appear to be around 1980 vintage.
I have not powered them up, but if anyone is interested in these
I could probably run a quick test on them.
Mike Thompson
At 01:52 AM 10/8/97 -0500, you wrote:
>DB15's are used by Mac II's (and related models) for video out. With an
>adapter, they can use VGA monitors. Perhaps that is what you have?
I just noticed (quite by coincidence) that the monitor/keyboard combination
for the DEC Rainbow 100 is a DB15. Perchance that's the answer.
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At 05:39 PM 10/7/97 EDT, you wrote:
>CL>VGA uses HD15, not DB15. DB15 is only used on PCs for AUI (obsolete
>CL>ethernet) and game ports.
DB15's are used by Mac II's (and related models) for video out. With an
adapter, they can use VGA monitors. Perhaps that is what you have?
Is there a separate port for a keyboard, or do you believe the DB15 also
handles the keyboard? (as in a real terminal)
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I found out from a person in the area that low density DB15
ports if not used for Ethernet are used for a VGA terminal. Any idea
where to find one of these things? If you have one that you don't need
I wouldn't mind having it. By the way I'm still looking for a power
supply for an Amiga A500.
Any updates?
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Richard A. Cini, Jr. [SMTP:rcini@msn.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 1997 4:12 PM
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
> Subject: Update on Altair scans
>
> Hello, all:
>
> I got a message from my friend with the Altair scans (list
> previously posted
> here). On Monday, he mailed me a Zip disk filled with scans. It really
> makes
> me wonder if this guy has a job! Actually, he must work for a
> publishing house
> or something, somewhere where he has access to high-volume scanners.
>
> Anyway, when I get this, I'll put together a disk/tape and Fedex
> it to Bill
> Whitson {Bill: I need your physical address and telephone#} and have
> him post
> it to the ftp site.
>
> More to come...
>
> ------------------------
> Rich Cini/WUGNET
> <rcini(a)msn.com>
> - ClubWin Charter Member (6)
> - MCPS Windows 95/Networking
William Donzelli <william(a)ans.net> wrote:
> > As I recall you wanted some sort of justification and I really
> > couldn't think of anything beyond "yeah, I'd like to get a look at
> > that" -- really I figured you would find other respondents who could
> > offer it better homes.
>
> There is a reason I did that.
Don't worry, I didn't take it personally! It's just that all too
often, I can't promise much better for an artifact than that I'll look
at it, stick it in a folder and then in a file box in my storage
closet. I'm not real happy about that.
> In a previous giveaway, NSFnet stuff,
> I was flooded by lots of people simply wanting the tape drives and nothing
> else (there was one exception). This did not make me very happy, as I felt
> that many of the respondants did not care about where these drives came
> from, rather that they were free drives. Much of this old NSFnet stuff
> (there is more free stuff to come - I unearthed some of the OOB modems,
> useful when the network crashed) really does have far more historical
> value than actual value. These machines (the RS/6000s with appropriate
> other things), numbering 75 or so, were the "Internet" for some time,
> and fuelled its explosive growth thru the first part of the 1990s, until
> the other ISPs started to appear.
Yeah, I remember the RS/6000 episode, it was shortly after I subscribed to
the list.
I have to admit that I was thinking about those RS/6000s too. But what
I was thinking were the somewhat more mundane questions of how best to get
one out here to California, where I would put it once it got here, and
what I would do with it. See comment above about the storage closet;
I have way too much stuff there already.
Well, with a sufficient number I would be more inclined to put 'em in
use for their intended purpose -- moving IP datagrams around. But
there's probably newer hardware to do that sort of thing while not
needing as much space, cooling, and/or electricity.
OOB modems? Is OOB a brand name or an abbreviation for "out of band"?
> I am not saying that the Sphere papers are of real historical significance
> - the company simply did not last very long, and in my opinion, was a
> producer of junk - but anything Sphere is very rare.
Yep, and I really couldn't justify (to myself) being selfish about it.
> Speaking of NSFnet stuff, I may be able to get some of the really old
> stuff, when the network was built with RTs, token rings, and 56 K DSUs. If
> I can get one of the old RTs, would the Vintage Computer Festival people
> be interested as a door prize?
Aiyeee, token things! Those also sound interesting, both because
they're RTs (another thing I'd like to dink with, someday) and because
of what they did.
Speaking of old Internet stuff...how many copies of the BBN report
1822 (on the host-IMP interface) do you think are floating around out
there? Wollongong (the mysterious office that I have alluded to in
other posts) had at least two and was preparing to toss both of them, I
think I steered one back toward the library and snagged the other for
my collection.
Back to SS-50:
> I have seen very little as well. That says something, as the boards tend
> to really stick out in the crowd. They never reached the popularity of the
> S-100 stuff, and was probably made in quantities much smaller than just
> about every other bus.
I've found something else that sticks out in a crowd: I/O cards for the
HP 2100-family machines. (No, I haven't forgot about pulling those manuals
for you and Tony, just haven't cleared the space and time to really go
through them.) Today I picked up a TTY I/O MUXR card. The etched part number
is 12584-60136. No manual, but still in its bag. Date-codes on ICs seem
to be 7106, 7123, 7122, 7303. $0.50.
-Frank McConnell
If you bothered to read a previous letter of mine help needed I'm
working on an old NCR machein that has thes DB15 ports that arn't
Ethernet and arn't serial but I found out from a very nolagibule person
was a port for a VGA terminal the other and most not often mentioned use
for them.
CL>VGA uses HD15, not DB15. DB15 is only used on PCs for AUI (obsolete
CL>ethernet) and game ports.
CL>Kai
CL>> -----Original Message-----
CL>> From: CharlesII(a)nwohio.nwohio.com [SMTP:CharlesII@nwohio.nwohio.com]
CL>> Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 1997 2:09 PM
CL>> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
CL>> Subject: Those pesky db15 ports
CL>>
CL>> I found out from a person in the area that low density
CL>> DB15
CL>> ports if not used for Ethernet are used for a VGA terminal. Any idea
CL>> where to find one of these things? If you have one that you don't
CL>> need
CL>> I wouldn't mind having it. By the way I'm still looking for a power
CL>> supply for an Amiga A500.
VGA uses HD15, not DB15. DB15 is only used on PCs for AUI (obsolete
ethernet) and game ports.
Kai
> -----Original Message-----
> From: CharlesII(a)nwohio.nwohio.com [SMTP:CharlesII@nwohio.nwohio.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 1997 2:09 PM
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
> Subject: Those pesky db15 ports
>
> I found out from a person in the area that low density
> DB15
> ports if not used for Ethernet are used for a VGA terminal. Any idea
> where to find one of these things? If you have one that you don't
> need
> I wouldn't mind having it. By the way I'm still looking for a power
> supply for an Amiga A500.
