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(fwd) Obsolete computers looking for a home! (fwd)

by adavie＠mad.scientist.com

I would note that I have already claimed these items, about a week ago, but the Olivetti things are still available. Thanks, Sam, for the heads-up. Cheers A -----Original Message----- From: Sam Ismail <dastar(a)wco.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Wednesday, April 08, 1998 3:55 PM Subject: (fwd) Obsolete computers looking for a home! (fwd) > >For you blokes down under. > > >Plus, I have a number of Olivetti M24, M28, & M280 systems >to get rid off, same deal.

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(fwd) Obsolete computers looking for a home! (fwd)

by dastar＠wco.com

For you blokes down under. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: R.Alphey(a)forestry.unimelb.edu.au (Russell J. Alphey) Newsgroups: comp.os.cpm,aus.computers Subject: Obsolete computers looking for a home! Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 05:34:46 GMT Organization: School of Forestry, University of Melbourne It's time to clean up the spare room... These computers are available, free to a good home. Note that they are all in Melbourne, Australia. Shipping at new owner's cost! :) 1. Labtam CP/M system, with 8086 processor board add-in. Single 8" drive, with built-in monitor. 2. Micromation multiuser CP/M system. Has 4 processor boards, plus serial terminals. 20 Mb hard drive, dual 8" drives, QIC-24 tape unit. 3. 2* ??? CP/M systems, monitors have WOODEN sides! Come with processor unit, plus 2 * DISCUS 8" drives. All systems come with boot disks. Plus, I have a number of Olivetti M24, M28, & M280 systems to get rid off, same deal. Contact me by email to arrange something. I'm not going to wait too long before "dumping" these machines... R. R.Alphey(a)forestry.unimelb.edu.au -- end of forwarded message -- -- Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Don't blame me...I voted for Satan. Coming Soon...Vintage Computer Festival 2.0 See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details!

28 years, 4 months

Old Data

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 01:04 AM 4/7/98 -0500, you wrote: >I've held onto machines that I would've happily given away except for the >time involved to go through the stuff on the hard disk and clean it up. [...] >What the world needs is a painless one button backup-and-clean program. Or a belief that they can turn the machine over to a reputable collector/museum who will do it for them. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/

28 years, 4 months

Old Data

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 01:25 AM 4/7/98 -0500, you wrote: >> Except, that people may feel it's easier (and/or safer) to just destroy the >> machine than it is to try and make sure no one can read their data. What > >It's rarely done, most people aren't that superstitious of electronic machines. Perhaps not in the past, but now that the average village idiot is using quicken and tax programs... They may not have used Dad's imsai, but they don't know that his old tax returns aren't in that old box. >> I agree that people should be responsible for their own data, but I also >> feel that we, as collectors, need to hold ourselves to a higher standard, >> so that people will feel comfortable giving us their old machines. > >If they actually gave us the machines. Most times they're swapped or sold cheaply. Whether or not they give them for free or for $, they have to feel comfortable doing it, or they won't do it. >Bad similarity...no one is paying you for confidentiality. Okay, surely you know someone to whom you don't tell anything personal because you know it'll be all over the office/neighborhood/local news within the hour. If people don't believe they can turn over their computers without having to worry about their tax returns showing up on the internet, they won't do it. >> Most of the people here probably know how to wipe a hard drive so it can't >> be read. (My best guess is a low-level format, then fill it with worthless >> data? Good thing I have nothing to hide!) But the average AOL user >> doesn't. When Grandpa passes on, you don't want the grandkids trashing all >And many have had to use level 3 read/write data destruction if they've worked for >the government. If the goverment is required to insure a clean machine to the >point of even installing a new hard disk prior to public sale, why should the >average Joe be protected in his or her sloppy handling of their private matters. >If you get right down to it they risk public viewing just by installing anything >on the hard disk and connecting to the net. I'm not advocating responsibility for the user's sake. If you care about the neighbors seeing you nekkid, pull down the damn shades. The reason I advocate it is because I don't want my neighbors boarding up their windows because they don't know if pulling down the shades is enough. I don't want people trashing significant machines because they heard about someone who knew someone who had a friend who heard about someone who gave a computer to a collector, and then those quickcam pics of the wife au naturel (that he thought he deleted) ended up on the 'net. Whether or not its true, and whether or not someone has pics like that, doesn't matter. The technoidiots will trash machines rather than take any risks. Don't believe me? Ever heard of the Good Times virus? >Not more of the one, but a picture or two of each machine. I realize you're just >working on the site but a picture really makes the site interesting to those not >familiar with the machines. A prefect example is the dual drive on a Rainbow. How >many people can even grasp the thought of putting a floppy in right way in one >slot, upside down in the other? I'm working on that. I've got 6 rolls of film to go to Price Club this week. Then I have to scan them, edit/crop/resize them, build a list of the pics (with dimensions and captions), come up with some snappy text, look for some links, and dig up the specs of the machine so I can build the web page. Whew. Don't worry, I'll get there. 8^) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/

28 years, 4 months

Computer Garage - Virtual Garage Sale

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

>qty. 1 - Compaq Deskpro 386/20e - $20.00 > >qty. 1 - Compaq Deskpro 433i - $30.00 OK... are either of these spoken for? Do you know the stats for these? How much RAM, HDD (if any) space, disk drives, etc, and does that include a monitor? (And, if you can find it, what is the video card, etc.) Thanks, Tim D. Hotze

28 years, 4 months

S34 system

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<Well, I'm just thinking odd thoughts right now(specifically about <converting a CB radio I have to the 10m amateur band), but if you can If you need a hand I can help with that. <figure out all the output voltages that the computer uses, than it <shouldn't be too hard to either build several power supplies to handle th <large amounts of power it needs, or perhaps re-wind the main power <transformers(or just replace them with somethign that has the same output <Which brings me to another thought, what IS the output voltage of the pow <supply/transformer(s)? And of course, if the hard(and floppy) drive motor <need 220v, you can also look for replacement motors that run on 110v. <That's what I'm going to need to do for my Series/1. Not that trivial as the system has a fair amount of pwer sequencing and power good logic tied to the front panel and power system. besides where to you find a 110Vac to 5V@ 30+amps floating around. That and any fans and motors that may use 220v. THere is a lack of data on that and no way to power it to determine if thats is the case. Allison

28 years, 4 months

PDP 11/53 help needed

by rhblake＠bbtel.com

This was on the Obsolete Computer helpline and I just knew someone here could write this person to help... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- lucien stevens <lust(a)village.uunet.be> belgium - Tuesday, April 07, 1998 at 15:52:57 i have a dec pdp11/53 can someone tell me how to connect an ascii terminal or a pc with a terminal program to make the pdp11 work. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Russ Blakeman RB Custom Services / Rt. 1 Box 62E / Harned, KY USA 40144 Phone: (502) 756-1749 Data/Fax:(502) 756-6991 Email: rhblake(a)bbtel.com or rhblake(a)bigfoot.com Website: http://members.tripod.com/~RHBLAKE/ ICQ # 1714857 * Parts/Service/Upgrades and more for MOST Computers* --------------------------------------------------------------------

28 years, 4 months

NOS Bare Boards: What to do?

by peacock＠simconv.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: J. Maynard Gelinas [mailto:maynard@jmg.com] > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 1998 2:06 PM > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > Subject: Re: NOS Bare Boards: What to do? > > BTW: anyone remember a BYTE article on the SwTPC sometime in > '78 regarding a very eary voice recognition and voice synth system > connected to house controls? I seem to remember that the upshot of it > was that it didn't work well and the poor author wound up showing off > his undershorts because the system misrecognized a command and opened > up the garage door at an inopportune time.... Maybe it was a Kilobaud > issue???? I'm pretty hazy on this, but I remember it made a big > impression on me as a kid. Yes I remember the article (it was humor) because a friend asked if I could build the same thing for him. I think it was Popular Electronics, there were no tech details so I'm sure it wasn't BYTE or KILOBAUD. Anyway, I was skeptical that it was real so I told my friend to contact the author before I took any of his money. My friend contacted the author for details. The author admitted he had embellished the capabilities and the article was more fiction than fact, although theoretically possible to do at the time. Jack Peacock

28 years, 4 months

S34 system

by allisonp＠world.std.com

I got to meet Max today and see the S34. Nice machine is fair condition. His problem is that it's wired for 208 and from what I could observe all the transformer primaries are limited to the 200V range (208/220/240). Can some one up on S34s confirm that? All the power comes from three feroresonant transformers (CVTs) which explains the 580v warning (across the resonating capacitor). It would seem the only way to power it off 117v line is tansformer of the 1000-2000va size. I suspect the smaller will work as this machine while complete is not "loaded". It's biggest disk is an internal 69mb 8" with what appears to be a DC spindle. Anyhow for power it expects a single phase 208 L-L connection so a auto transformer may do it. It's been a while since I've seens linear regulators or possibly low voltage switchers of this size. Allison

28 years, 4 months

DEC 11/70...

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<> > My favorite graph on the data sheet is "Number of pins remaining <> > vs. number of socket insertions". (Wasn't this originally published <> > in an April 1 issue of _Electronics_ in the 70's?) <> <> And the Vff .vs. Iff graph, complete with burn-out just after 6.3V.... < <I wonder what fraction of new EE graduates today would recognize the <significance of 6.3 VAC? or 12.6vac or historically 12.6,12.6,12.6,35,50 (all Vac). Allison

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