This is the first time I've been to an electronics flea market, so I
don't know how it was, but I was disappointed. I came late, and about
1/2 the stuff was oscilloscopes, another 1/4 was Mac CPUs, and an
8th was PC network cards. Everything was priced at or above market
value (almost). I will still go next time, though.
There were a bunch of "IBM RT" units. These were enormous PS/2 like
things. What were they?
I could have gotten a Zenith XT laptop for $10, but I opted for a
free Data General One being used as a wheelchock. It's in good
condition, but the LCD is smashed. I think I will hang it on the wall.
Does anyone have any ideas what I should do with the rest of the
machine? Does anyone have replacement LCDs?
PS. I would have gotten a shrinkwrapped copy of MacOS 6.0.7 and A/UX,
but the guy changed his mind about selling it.
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Two questions: a) what is a channel F?
b) What is the ISBN# for the haddock book?
>I also got another Fairchild channel F brand new and apparently never
used.
>And a Laser 128 with power supply and external disk drive. Oh and a
copy of
>the Haddock.
>Francois
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>From: Daniel A. Seagraves <DSEAGRAV(a)toad.xkl.com>
>To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
><classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
>Date: Sunday, April 19, 1998 8:18 PM
>Subject: Strange 11/83 behaviour...
>
>
>>This is bizarre...
>>This RSX was origionally in an 11/73. I had it in an 11/83.
>>BOO was running REAL slow. I interrupted it after a 5-hour run.
>>I swapped the KDJ11-B with an 11-A, reloaded, and now BOO
>>is running at a faster pace, it hits the drive every 10 seconds.
>>I just now started it.
>>Maybe there's a bug in RSX, or my 83 is acting bizarre?
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I'm cross posting this here as I know someone here knows what this guy
needs and can do a direct email to him about his problem. There may not
be anyone that knows what he needs and he might be tempted to "throw
out" the equipment if he doesn't get a response.
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Rich Gough <regough(a)connectexpress.com>
Seattle, WA USA - Monday, April 20, 1998 at 02:21:27
I have a bunch of 8" diskettes, CP/M format over 10 years
old. Were made on a Lobo Max-80, now in my mom's basement.
Replaced clock battery, still couldn't get it to boot last
year when I tried to start it for the first time in years.
Anyone know of a place in Pittsburgh, PA that can copy 8"
diskettes onto 3.5"? Thanks, will be going there in a
couple of weeks. Rich
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Ive had this posted in the past but these are really getting in my way:
*Tektronix 7612D programmable digitizer (scope w/o a screen) with two
7A16A plugins. No manuals or cables but it appears to be in terrific
shape otherwise. $150 plus shipping or will consider trades.
*Kontron KLA64 64 channel logic analyser - 2 complete units, cables,
manuals, covers, software, etc. They also have an optional unit
installed internally. Includes Axiom video printer. All items go as a
package - $325 plus shipping. Sorry no trades and will not separate.
Total weight about 160 lbs for everything.
Can email detailed info to those interested. I bought these in an
auction lot and the above pricing is what I have into them. I bought the
auction lot to primarily obtain a digital oscilloscope for my shop but
the above items are R&D oriented and realy have no use in my repair
shop. Both are still supported by repair, calibration and parts outfits
as well as the manufacturers. I have sources for the manual for the Tek
7612D and plugins as well so you don't need to be concerrned that you'll
not be able to work it without a manual. The manuals for the Kontrons is
very detailed and is from setup and use to parts and adjustment.
I'm trying to be as discrete as possible about posting these and I'm
sure some people are tired of seeing it come back up but there are new
people to the list that may not know of them and possibly be interested.
Please reply direct to me, not to the list.
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On Apr 19, 20:12, Daniel A. Seagraves wrote:
> Subject: Oh, s**t. Someone tell me I'm wrong...
OK :-) You're wrong :-)
> To talk to the RL02, I had to UNLoad the DY: driveer and LOAd teh DL: driver.
> This means that RL support isn't in the montior.
Not exactly, it may just mean that the driver isn't loaded by default. None of
the drivers are "in" the monitor, they're all loaded (some with the system
image, some not).
> Since I'm switching boot
> devices to one not in the monitor, I have to re-SYSGEN RSX-11M.
> But, I don't have Sysgen or HRC, so I'm screwed, right?
Not necessarily. SYSGEN recreates the whole system from the source code. All
you need to do (assuming the original was built with suitable options) is to
get it to reset its pointers, in a manner of speaking. You won't have HRC
unless it's an RSX11M-plus system.
> That would be why BOO looped forever on both systems, the monitor was told to
> boot a device it had no support for.
> Does this sound correct?
I don't think so.
I'm not an expert on RSX, but I've done 4 or 5 sysgens -- though it was a few
years ago. The drivers were probably all built at the same time -- and
therefore with the same options -- as the rest of the system. Take a look at
the dates/times on the xxDRV.TSK and RSX11M.TSK files in [1,54] to be sure.
The RSX11M.SYS file should be much bigger, and have a later time, than the
RSX11M.TSK file. What you're probably seeing, is that the system was built
with a certain amount of space allocated for drivers, but only the ones
originally required are loaded with the system image by default, and to get
space for another, you need to unload one.
As for the BOOt problem, I'd guess you copied the files using PIP instead of
BRU. Is that right? If so, many of the files won't be in the same places on
the disk. That will confuse RSX, which has the disk addresses of some
essential things in the RSX11M.SYS file. (At least, I think it's that file,
it's been a while...) Also, PIP has possibly not copied the correct file size
-- by default, it discards unused blocks, ISTR. That will kill RSX11M.SYS,
which has extra blocks for the swap space. The other thing PIP won't do (by
default, unless you use the /CO switch) is to ensure that copies are
contiguous, though if you copied onto an empty disk, that probably won't be a
problem. You can tell if a file is contiguous (all the blocks together, in
sequence) by looking to see if there's a letter 'C' just before the date in a
long directory listing; .TSK and .SYS files have to be contiguous.
If you copy with BRU, it takes care of those things, and possibly leaves the
system in such a state that the next *software* boot will sort things out.
There are certain permutations of disk drivers that share boot blocks, which
saves you some of the effort of re-generating the boot setup, but I can't
remember if DU and DL are in that group.
[digs out notes]
If you use PIP, you'll need to recreate the RSX11M.SYS image on the new drive,
while still running the system from the old one:
ASN DL0:=SY:
ASN DL0:=LB:
SET /UIC=[1,54]
PIP RSX11M.sys/NV/CO/BL:<nnn>=RSX11M.TSK
where <nnn> is usually (memory size x 4) + 2. If you express that as a decimal
number, you have to enter it with a decimal point after the digits otherwise
PIP will think you mean octal. That's for a mapped system; change [1,54] to
[1,50] for unmapped.
Then you'll need to re-VMR the system, you can specify what drivers are to be
LOAded at boot time, what memory it has, etc. There's possibly a file called
SYSVMR.CMD or similar, which already has a string of commands in it to load
drivers; edit that to suit.
After you've run VMR @SYSVMR you need to software boot the new system and SAVe
it (you may need to type "G" at the prompt, and you need to SAV /WB to make it
hardware bootable).
--
Pete Peter Turnbull
Dept. of Computer Science
University of York
In a message dated 98-04-19 17:15:38 EDT, you write:
<< There were a bunch of "IBM RT" units. These were enormous PS/2 like
things. What were they? >>
model numbers were 6150 and 6151. i have the desktop form factor. basically it
was a risc6000 ancestor. isa bus, but had proprietary adaptor cards with 16meg
max. ran AIX and something else. mine powers up, but i do not have the special
keyboard that's required to use it. i believe they announced in 1990 so not
quite classic yet. i can probably dig up some info at work about them if
someone REALLY wants me to.
david
> I just got myself a Diamond TrackStar Apple//-in-a-PC board. What
little
>info that I could find says that you can hook an Apple floppy drive to it.
>However, in two places, the info says that it takes a standard Apple
floppy,
>and then it says a Unidrive.
If you only have a Uni-Drive and you don't have the adapter, you can open it
up, disconnect the current cable and plug in the old cable. That's what I
did. The 19 pin cable plugs into a 20 adapter inside the drive.
-- Kirk
Just put this together.
To talk to the RL02, I had to UNLoad the DY: driveer and LOAd teh DL: driver.
This means that RL support isn't in the montior. Since I'm switching boot
devices to one not in the monitor, I have to re-SYSGEN RSX-11M.
But, I don't have Sysgen or HRC, so I'm screwed, right?
That would be why BOO looped forever on both systems, the monitor was told to
boot a device it had no support for.
Does this sound correct?
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Hi,
I found an Epson HC-41 today, it was aparently used for a machine tool
programmer.
Does anyone have a keyboard overlay that I could copy to replace the custom
overlay that they have on this machine?
Also i got the Floppy drive with it with instructions in Japanese. Can
anyone give some info on it?
I am also missing both power supplies (yes they work from the battery) what
are the reqirements?
As a general request, any info on that machine is welcome.
I also got another Fairchild channel F brand new and apparently never used.
And a Laser 128 with power supply and external disk drive. Oh and a copy of
the Haddock.
Francois
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-----Original Message-----
From: Daniel A. Seagraves <DSEAGRAV(a)toad.xkl.com>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Date: Sunday, April 19, 1998 8:18 PM
Subject: Strange 11/83 behaviour...
>This is bizarre...
>This RSX was origionally in an 11/73. I had it in an 11/83.
>BOO was running REAL slow. I interrupted it after a 5-hour run.
>I swapped the KDJ11-B with an 11-A, reloaded, and now BOO
>is running at a faster pace, it hits the drive every 10 seconds.
>I just now started it.
>Maybe there's a bug in RSX, or my 83 is acting bizarre?
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