At 01:46 PM 5/22/98 -0700, you wrote:
>> Your hopes are dashed. The only pricey IBM PCs are the ones that had 16K
>> installed at the factory and weren't upgraded. The 64K ones are relatively
>
>That's absurd (bordering on perverse) -- what could you DO with a machine
>like that? (Yes, run BASIC and use cassettes... I know.)
In my day, sonny, 16K was plenty of room. Back then, we knew how to
program. It was an art. Not like the kids today, with their megabytes and
Gooeys and write-once-read-many, magneto-optical, doohickies... (whups,
gotta go, time for maaaatttlooock!)
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roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/
yes indeedy, apple provided an upgrade path for //e users. for $500 you got a
new gs planar, and a sticker that replaced the lower case apple //e one with
//gs. of course, one of the caveats is you didnt get ADB and seperate
keyboard. i dont think many people upgraded due to the price. i have an old
magazine that had a writeup about the upgrade. if anyone's that interested i
can look up details or make copies. message me privately.
david
In a message dated 98-05-26 21:15:04 EDT, you write:
<< > It's not a conversion or anything, it's original from Apple. It looks
> exactly like a IIe except for the model emblem and the back panel.
As someone already pointed out, you have an official Apple product, a //e-
to-//gs upgrade. When we got our family //e, I had fantasies about that
upgrade, but we never got it (and I guess VERY few other people did either).
I seem to remember the list price as around $800. $864? Something like
that. >>
Allison/Marvin:
Thanks. I was afraid that it was a problem that software couldn't manage
around. Right now, my N* is non-working (actually, it hasn't worked since I
got it), but I was trying to examine what was contained on the diskettes.
Rich Cini/WUGNET
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ClubWin! Charter Member (6)
MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking
Collector of classic computers
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I just acquired an Apple IIgs that is in an Apple IIe style case!
It's not a conversion or anything, it's original from Apple. It looks
exactly like a IIe except for the model emblem and the back panel.
Perhaps it's something Apple did for the educational market, to make it look
like the other machines they were used to, and incorporating a built-in
keyboard which would be less fragile than the multi-piece regular IIgs
series.
Anybody ever heard of these?
Kai
Found on Usenet. Contact Mr. Tarka directly if you can help.
Thanks.
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From: Mark Tarka <tarka(a)earth.oscs.montana.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: WTB small VAX/VMS system, NYC area
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I've got to be in NYC on personal business in early June. Anyone in
NYC or within the commuting area have a _small_ vax/vaxstation/uvax
to donate or sell?
I'm interested mainly in a box, with any external storage devices
(disk, tape), working or repairable, and documentation.
The system has to be somewhat compliant with whatever passes for
standard I/O to the external environment (a 3100 for example
would be a bad idea :-)
Mark
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>> reservation is the fact that it doesn't have a ground plug. I'm sure I
>> can just pass the ground connection on from the computer to my wall outlet
>> since the ground lead is attached directly to the computer case, no?
>>
Tony Duell <ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk> said:
>Exactly. And when you do that, also ground the frame/core of the
>transformer, just in case the insulation ever breaks down.
Isn't this step-up transformer also acting as an isolation transformer,
isolating the secondary from ground? I thought that meant that you
didn't not need a ground because secondary of the transformer has
no relationship to ground. I'd like to find out because I use one with
my Mitsubishi MoveMaster robot.
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Doug Coward dcoward(a)pressstart.com
Senior Software Engineer
Press Start Inc.
Sunnyvale,CA
Curator
Museum of Personal Computing Machinery
http://www.best.com/~dcoward/museum
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Doug Yowza <yowza(a)yowza.com> writes:
> Thanks, changing the jumper and hitting reset did the trick. I needed to
> reformat the RAM disk after the reset, but I have a couple of "advanced
> mail" apps in ROM that seem to expect files to be present on the RAM disk.
> Is there some special way to setup the ROM apps, or do I manually create
> directories and files as I get errors?
That would be AdvanceMail. I vaguely remember that you do have to
create something for it to make it not complain. Not that it's real
useful -- I think you need to have something for it to connect to,
and while I know there was some way to make it talk to HPDeskManager
on the HP3000s I don't think it ever got updated to talk anything like
POP3 or QWK packets or what have you.
Nevertheless there seem to be a lot of Portable Pluses out there with
the AdvanceMail software, and I can only guess that is because HP was
using HPDeskManager for its internal e-mail network until two or three?
years ago and found it useful to equip a lot of its internal-use Pluses
with AdvanceMail.
-Frank McConnell
Doug Yowza <yowza(a)yowza.com> wrote:
> OK, I'm staring at my recently acquired HP Portable Plus with it's oddball
> power plug. The FAQ tells me it wants 6V, but the only thing I have that
> fits is an 8V supply from a 9114, which I'm sure will do the trick, but I
> don't see two things: a polarity key and a power switch. Does the Plus
> care about polarity? If not, how do I turn it on?
If you took a close look at your 9114 supply you might find that its
output is 8V*AC*. No polarity to worry about.
First, try to turn it on with the return key. Just press it once,
wait, try again (sometimes mine don't notice on the first press). If
all is well that will get you to a PAM screen, and from there you
can turn it off again with f8.
If you open the battery door (center rear) you will find a jumper and
a tiny switch. The switch is full-reset-zap-everything. The jumper
is what connects the battery to the rest of the system, and may be set
incorrectly if the unit is never-used or someone clueful stored it
with the knowledge that it wouldn't be used for a while. Of course I
can't remember which way is "correct" and my Pluses are being
difficult w/r/t door removal this morning.
Ah, there we go. The jumper fits over a three-pin header, and the pin
to the right (assuming you're facing the back, so the one on the
Ctrl-key side of the Plus) should be exposed for normal operation (the
other two should be connected with the jumper).
Shift-Stop is the two-fingered "reboot" salute. It's safer than the
switch in back. Note the "AAAAAA" or "BBBBBB" line that it spits out
during this exercise, that tells you what version of the base ROMs are
installed.
...
Hans Olminkhof asks what the Portable Plus is. Yes, it's the
successor to the 110 aka Portable. More RAM, bigger screen, faster
modem (1200 vs. 300 bps), "drawers" for RAM and ROM so more
customizability -- users could buy different sizes of RAM drawers and
buy additional applications in ROMs to install in the ROM drawer,
rather than having to load up precious RAM. Also I think there was
no built-in Terminal application, instead HP sold a ROM'd version
of WRQ's Reflection 1.
-Frank McConnell
At 12:27 5/26/98 -0700, KaiKal wrote:
>I just acquired an Apple IIgs that is in an Apple IIe style case!
>It's not a conversion or anything, it's original from Apple. It looks
>exactly like a IIe except for the model emblem and the back panel.
What you have there, my friend, is the Apple IIGS UPGRADE, and a lucky man
you are. It _is_ a conversion; some intrepid owner made it out of a //e
and the Upgrade Kit, which was a new logic board and the case pieces. I've
got one, but only one.
If you fire it up, I'd be interested to know what revision your ROMs are.
__________________________________________
Kip Crosby engine(a)chac.org
http://www.chac.org/index.html
Computer History Association of California
-----Original Message-----
From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn(a)ricochet.net>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Date: Tuesday, 26 May 1998 3:16
Subject: Re: Original IBM PC (was Re: Prices to pay for old
>At 01:46 PM 5/22/98 -0700, you wrote:
>>> Your hopes are dashed. The only pricey IBM PCs are the ones that had
16K
>>> installed at the factory and weren't upgraded. The 64K ones are
relatively
>>
>>That's absurd (bordering on perverse) -- what could you DO with a machine
>>like that? (Yes, run BASIC and use cassettes... I know.)
>
>In my day, sonny, 16K was plenty of room. Back then, we knew how to
>program. It was an art. Not like the kids today, with their megabytes and
>Gooeys and write-once-read-many, magneto-optical, doohickies... (whups,
>gotta go, time for maaaatttlooock!)
>
>
>--------------------------------------------------------------------- O-
>
>Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad
>roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know."
>Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
>San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/
>
I have one question , well I actually have two......
though, what software came on cassetes?
and what is the most common fault in the IBM full height floppy drives that
makes them die???
anyone??
