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Former Disk Costs (was: 32 bit Macs (was Atari hard ))

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

Right, but consider the other stuff. You need postscript, preferrably a program for previewing the dvi file before printing, etc. I think my pentium is faster ;) But that wasn't my original question. Does anyone on this list actually use a REALLY old unusual machine like IMSAI, CoCo, C64, Apple ][, etc. as their major word processing system (unusual compared to Tony's AT)? >Not so. Runs fairly well on similar machines. DRI evern did a version >of tex for CP/M. Have the manual and software. > >Personally I used runoff a lot, it was quite fast. > >Allison > > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

28 years, 2 months

680x0's, Towers, & Serendipity

by JRichardson＠softwright.co.uk

>> I haven't looked at that NG for awhile. The 400 series towers were >> under the distinct diadvantage that there was no (official) support >> for TCP/IP. I was lucky enough to get an ethernet board with my '700 - I've run up XDM on the 700 before and then connected to it from an old '486 PC running Linux just for the hell of it. :) > > > [ OS tapes ] >> You know, I had the address of a vendor that could get you those; >> unfortunately, though, they wanted an arm and a leg for it >:-P. well you could get them through NCR when I last looked (about three years ago now), but they wanted something like 800 dollars US for them, which seemed a little on the expensive side for a ten year old machine that wasn't ever going to be used for anything profitable!! :) >> I got the tapes for my machine, but NCR states vehemently that they >> *cannot* be copied. I don't believe this, of course (how did they >> write the tape in the 1st place?), but I dont' know how you would >> copy them. I'd agree with you there - surely a raw copy of the tape would work. Maybe there was code in the OS to prevent you from reading raw from an OS tape or something, but I'd assume that it could just be copied on another Unix machine. > >> The tower actually *boots* from the tape during install! Is that >> crazy or what? >from what I've seen a lot of Unix machines will do this for diagnostic / install purposes. It's one of those things that reminds me how much I hate modern PCs... Think the best I can do with my 700 is hook the disks up under Linux or something (they're SCSI on the 700, not MFM) and do a raw dump on the disk. In theory I suppose I could then find an identical drive from somewhere and restore the system... (Has anyone ever tried this!?) cheers Jules > > >Jeff > >> mind you, last time I tried to power up the machine it was completely >> dead. I only had a few minutes so checked obvious fuses etc, but without >> any luck. Hopefully something simple - I don't fancy trying to trace a >> fault on one of those system boards :*) >> > >> >> cheers >> >> Jules >> >

28 years, 2 months

680x0's, Towers, & Serendipity was:Stupid lusers...

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

Cool!!! (And to think that I nearly paid $50 for one of those Sharps...) BTW, find any A2 software? Tim D. Hotze -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Kaneko <Jeff.Kaneko(a)ifrsys.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Tuesday, June 09, 1998 1:16 AM Subject: 680x0's, Towers, & Serendipity was:Stupid lusers... You know, serendipidy is a funny thing. I was at a flea market on Sunday looking for some Apple ][ software, when this guy comes walking into the booth bearing an ATT 7300 UnixPC (and a C-64). He asks the proprietor what he'll give for this 'stuff'. The prop. looks at the 'stuff', offers him $15 for the Commodore, and when asked about the 7300 says: "Nope, cant offer you anything for it. Can't use it. Too dumb." Hm. So I offers the guy $5. "I had no idea 7300's were so *heavy*", I thought as I later hefted it into the trunk of my car. Anyways, I also have a 400 series Tower (as mentioned in the exerpt below), and lots of spare boards (including the meter-long systemboard). I could have purchased a 68020 conversion kit for my tower from WierdStuff in San Jose (this was back in the days when they carried actually interesting material), but I didn't have the bucks. Jeff > >> The MC68010 is the heart of my favorite computer ever, the AT&T Unix PC > >> (built by Convergent Technologies). I've got three, two work fine, one > >> is for parts. _Still_ the prettiest machines in my collection. > > Do you mean the NCR Tower series? Or was this some other offering by > AT&T? I seem to remember that the old Tower 400's had 68010's - I've > still got a few boards somewhere for one (system board was about 1 metre > long and half a metre high!). I've got a complete Tower 700 with a 68030 > as main CPU, and performance still rates really highly even these > days...) > > > Jules > >

28 years, 2 months

those amigas....

by poesie＠geocities.com

Ahhh... hehe... neglected to mention I am in the twin cities (minneapolis/st paul.) Don't know if they have video toasters but if they do I'm going to get all of them. PS. I date more or less around the Apple II... first computer I ever had was a C64. I guess I've missed all the fun. -Eric

28 years, 2 months

Stupid lusers...

by DSEAGRAV＠toad.xkl.com

I got a 68010 chip today... On a visit to my pile at SSI, I saw a sadly disfigured rack out back. Went to have a look at it. It was a PBX, based off a PDP-8 and some custom boards. The top part of the rack, the 8, and most of those custom boards were completely destroyed. Seems the cleaning morons, when told to move the rack elsewhere, decided to pitch it in the trash compactor. Rack proved stronger than trash compactor, and they gave up, picked it out of the compactor, and left. The 8 is now a mini-mini computer. It's too damaged to deal with. I pried the lid off and looked inside, the backplane was demolished, and the cards were mashed to 1/2 height. I couldn't even remove them from the case. Good thing is, the custom boards were the intersting parts. I got a 68010 chip and some miscellaneous socketed chips. There was a few Texas Instruments boards, those were trash. Split in half. I picked at it for awhile, stole the ROMs and some ribbon cables, and left it. Anyway, What's a 68010 do? Anyone have pinouts/assembler refrences/etc? Can I make it do something interesting? -------

28 years, 2 months

old Amiga systems w/ vid capture?? feature and separate hdd.....

by icyblackhand＠hotmail.com

Depending on where you live (Shipping and handling). I'd like one. I'm in NJ.

28 years, 2 months

old Amiga systems w/ vid capture?? feature and separate hdd.....

by poesie＠geocities.com

forgive my lack of knowledge on these, have only heard of them from my brother who goes to an art school. they are ditching a roomful of amigas w/ external hdd's at the end of the year, which have some pretty extensive video editing hardware as well? i will try to find out more, including what they actually ARE, but if anyone is interested please let me know. i will see what i can do! -Eric

28 years, 2 months

Lisa 2 running Xenix?

by dastar＠wco.com

What was the consensus we came up with regarding Xenix running on a Lisa? Whatever it was, I saw a Lisa 2 today running Xenix (well, I didn't actually see it run, but the owner said he had Xenix running on it). Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ever onward. September 26 & 27...Vintage Computer Festival 2 See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details! [Last web page update: 05/30/98]

28 years, 2 months

Early Mac Clones

by tomowad＠earthlink.net

>I think that's the same book I've got a copy of around here. Interesting >reading, but I've basically never seen any of that stuff anywhere. Though >I found it really interesting, has anyone ever seen a Mac Plus or simular >system recased into a PC case? It would be a fun project, but I've got to >many other projects :^) > >The closest I've got to a Mac clone (I'm writting this on a PowerMac >8500/180) is a Amiga 3000 with emulation software. The Amiga is actually >about as fast as the real thing. What edition do you have? My 2nd edition book says a listing of clones is given in edition 1, as oppose to just saying they exist. I'd love to get a list of old Mac clones. >Just to ask... do you have the ISBN for that? I'm interested... ;-) The book is: _Build Your Own Macintosh and Save a Bundle_ by Bob Brant, Windcrest/McGraw-Hill. ISBN# 0-8306-3974-8. List price $19.95. It's a great book. Tom Owad

28 years, 2 months

Jacqard 500 computers rescued...ugh!

by K.J.Whitehead＠massey.ac.nz

well I rescued 3 J500 computers and a 20meg removable drive unit. I understand why people collect stamps now.....they take a damn sight less room. Can any one tell me a bit about the units (I did get the manuals...but they are now in storage) Opening one case quickly did not reveal a processor...were they a bit slice job ? Any how I will investigate more later. BTW the drive unit measures about 3"x2"x2" and weighs a hell of a lot...hence the ugh and another step down the road to a massive hernia. Had to pass on the diablo printers for this lot at this stage (shame on me!...but storage is at a premium) so now my collection consists of 3 TRS80 model 1 2 TRS80 model 3 2 TRS80 model 4P 3 Systems 80 (same as the genie) 2 Sinclair QL 1 Amiga 600HD 1 Amiga 1200 1 Altos system (drives,tape units,processor,etc,etc,etc) 1 Nascom (with german DOS, hard sectored drive) 1 Kaypro 4 1 Kaypro 10 1 TI 99/4 12 Polycorp Poly computers (designed and made in New Zealand) 1 Polycorp server unit (z80 and 6809 with 2 8" drives and serial network) 3 Jacqaurd J500 1 Apple 2e 1 Cromenco 1 Amstrad 8256 1 Amstrad 6128 1 MSX and various Misc machines I can't remember at the moment. Oh I have a hell of a lot of manuals and books on the various beasts as well, however I have NO parking left in my shed which required a lot a cleaning to fit the J500s in. I also have a collection of large numbers of floppy drives, monitors,accessories (like atari IR joystick controllers, cromenco joystick,etc). Happy collecting k.j.whitehead(a)massey.ac.nz Keith Whitehead Electronics Technician Electronics Services Institute of Fundamental Sciences Massey University Palmerston North New Zealand 5301

28 years, 2 months

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