> Hi. Now, I don't want to start a flamewar, but still, Microsoft HAS played
> an important part in personal computing, for better or for worse. From 1986
> or so onwards, they were a industry dominator.
> Now, from what I understand, the origional MS logo was GREEN? Somebody
> have a picture?
Yes it was green. If I can find an example, I'll scan it for you.
> Other than OS's and current Office Applications (and, of course,
> Internet Explorer, which is a decent browser, and DOES have pleanty of
> innovation, if you're prepared to admit it.), what did MS make? Anything
> for say... the Apple II? PDP's? UN*X boxes (once again, omitting current
> ports of IE 4.0)?
Well, you're getting a copy of MULTIPLAN for the Apple ][. Seems
like there was a word processor for the A][ as well.
Don't forget Excel for the MAC. Excel was on the Macintosh long
before it became a standard on that 'other' windowing OS. In fact,
Excel is the only Microsoft product that actually *PREDATES* the
operating system it runs on!
No, MS Word dosen't count-- WinWord was a totally new product,
bearing *no* resemblence to the original 'Word' for Mess-DOs. Excel
was a straight port (well, it *looks* that way, anyway).
If I look through some old issues of byte, I'm sure I'll find others
. . .
Jeff
>> Which "Alpha"? Alpha Micro?
Hmm, is that "Alpha micro" as in "Alphatronic PC"? I have a few of those
things lying around someplace in various states - my old university
wrote their own terminal software for them, burned it out to eeprom, and
we used to use them as terminals to access the Unix systems.
IIRC I did see reference to an expansion box that allowed the use of
hard drives with CP/M on - I did a lot of digging at the time and never
turned up anything for them - I just had the custom Uni terminal ROMs
and a set of BASIC ROMs that originally came with the machines.
They were made by Triumph-Adler, from what I remember. Any information
on these boxes would be most helpful!! (I have the original manuals, but
they don't exactly go into a lot of detail)
cheers
Jules
>
Yep. I'll count that. BTW, welcome back! One time, I was eMailing you for
help on something... didn't get a response... then you stopped posting to
ClassicCmp...
Ciao,
Tim D. Hotze
-----Original Message-----
From: John Higginbotham <higginbo(a)netpath.net>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Date: Monday, June 15, 1998 8:59 PM
Subject: Re: Old Microsoft stuff...
>At 05:37 PM 6/15/98 +0300, you wrote:
>
>> Other than OS's and current Office Applications (and, of course,
>>Internet Explorer, which is a decent browser, and DOES have pleanty of
>>innovation, if you're prepared to admit it.), what did MS make? Anything
>>for say... the Apple II? PDP's? UN*X boxes (once again, omitting current
>>ports of IE 4.0)?
>
>Does Microsoft BASIC on the TRS-80 Model 100 count?
>
>
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<Hi. Just wanted to know if anyone out here knows where I can get an old
<alpha... (real old).
< Ciao,
Ah, you gotta be kiddin.... The alpha is maybe max 8 years old!
Allison
>>> hmm. My university had a 7 which as far as I know was never used - it
>>> just sat there as a conversational point in one of the physics labs. I
>>> probably could have taken it, but just don't have the room for it (nor
>>> the knowledge to keep it running, and I don't have the time these days
>>> to learn about any new machines sadly!)
>>
>> When was this -7 just sitting there, out of curiosity?
well I graduated a couple of years ago, so I last saw it probably about
three years ago now (never had much call to go into the physics
buildings).
as I said, I don't know PDP machines so couldn't tell you how much of a
system there was there or what state it was in - it had a paper sign
hanging on the front saying "PDP7" and used to get pointed out during
tours (heh heh, so I guess there could have been anything in there!! :)
wish I'd taken a better look at it (mind you, as I said I couldn't
really justify keeping such a beast, and I used to get enough obsolete
equipment that the computing department used to throw out anyway!)
cheers
J.
>
<I was just wondering on the rarity of DEC's PDPx machines - I gather
<that '11s are still pretty common (relatively!), but what about earlier
<machines in the line?
PDP = Programmed Data Processor. It was a ploy to tame down the idea of
large, expensive and complex computers.
The PDP-8E/F/M/A series was quite popular swith sales in the many tens
of thousands. There are many of these in service as machine tool
controllers and other uses. PDP-11 series was even more prolific.
Rare machines are the PDP-1 (few left), PDP-5 the forunner to the 8, and
10s. The total sales for the PDP-1/4/5/6/7/9/10/12/15 combined was under
5000 units. Generally the 18 and 36bit machines are tough to find and if
found represent a bit of work to run.
Allison
>I was just wondering on the rarity of DEC's PDPx machines - I gather
>that '11s are still pretty common (relatively!), but what about earlier
>machines in the line?
There seem to be a fair number of -8's in private hands, at least there
are a number of people who post on alt.sys.pdp8 who have them. Probably
more Decmates then older -8s. As for -11s, I have quite a few, mostly
qbus... There are even some people who have -10s and -20s at home. I've
not seen any info on others like -4, -7, -9, -15, etc (other than the
emulators that Bob Supnik of DEC wrote).
>Also - what did PDP stand for? (I don't expect that "Portable" came into
>it ;*) Sorry for the dumb question - I grew up with classic 8-bit micros
>and 32-bit Unix machines - shame I missed out on some of the big old
>boxes, they sound like fun (if a bit impractical from a storage point of
>view!! :)
PDP = Programmed Data Processor.
Megan Gentry
Former RT-11 Developer
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Just want to check... Composite Video (as in a lot of 8-bit computers) is
*not* the same thing as the Video ports on, say, a VCR or camcorder, right?
And Composite is also not the same as what the Atari 2600 (et al) use to
hook up to a telly? Thanks...
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-----Original Message-----
From: Doug Yowza <yowza(a)yowza.com>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Date: Monday, June 15, 1998 7:39
Subject: Re: MS Windows 1.03 for sale
>On Mon, 15 Jun 1998, Sam Ismail wrote:
>
>> I bid $4billion! Oh wait, its only v1.03. I was looking for 1.02.
Never
>> mind.
>
>I have 1.02. Will that be cash or credit card?
>
>-- Doug
>
email: desieh(a)southcom.com.au
desieh(a)bigfoot.com
museum_curator(a)hotmail.com
Apple Lisa Web Page:
http://www.southcom.com.au/~desieh/index.htm
ive got 1.02 but its in french, or is that france??
want it:>
maybe not................
I found their web site:
http://www.digisys.net/timeline/lcd.html
Looks like they have few for good prices
Francois
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-----Original Message-----
From: Allison J Parent <allisonp(a)world.std.com>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Date: Sunday, June 14, 1998 2:20 PM
Subject: Re: Mini-Monitors?
><In Circuit Cellar this month there is an add from timeline inc. It has a
><VGA LCD 640 X 480 Sanyo LMDK55-22 listed for $25. That is the only info
><given on the add. their phone number is (800) 872-8878 no web site :(
><Francois
>
>I'll call tehm but I suspect it will be like the DELL(sharp) LCD I have
>and while VGA sized it is not a vga interface.
>
>Allison
>
