I have that program, and I have only been able to copy something
so that the mac could read it only a couple of times. There is a
problem of it being unable to copy a file with both sides of the fork
used (i.e. you can dump everything into the resource fork, or
everything into the data fork, but can't use both. Executor stores
the two as separate files, it would be nice if I could tell Mac-ette
to use bla for the data fork of bbb and blb for the resource fork
of bbb. Alas...)
>>
ftp://ftp5.info.apple.com/Apple.Support.Area/Apple_SW_Updates/US/Macintosh/S
>> yste
>> > m/Older_System/
>> >
>> > Of course you need a functional Mac to make the floppies. If you
have
>> both
>> > hard drives, simply make sure the SCSI ID's are set to different
numbers,
>> > and either leave both in the machine, or copy the 40Mb drive to the
>> larger
>> > one. Another more expensive alternative would be to get a external
>> CD-ROM
>> > and a copy of MacOS on CD.
>>
>> Umm.... If there has any method to build up the Mac Discs on a PC??
>
>Yes, there is a free(?)/share(?)ware program named MAC-ETTE that will
>format, read, and write the 1.44mb Mac disks. The problem that most of
>us non-Mac yokels have is trying to figure out what goes in which fork!
>
>You should be abble to find it with a Web search.
>
> - don
>
>
>> Yours,
>> Ken Yaksa
>>
>
>
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At 09:25 PM 6/18/98 -0700, you wrote:
>
>New Topic! Ok people: what sort of storage media (and for what system) did
>you guys carry around to start out with?
>
[Joel Fedorko]
Mid-Late '70s -
Punch Cards (80 col) for the IBM box
Paper tape for various HP & DEC boxes (with upgrades to mylar in the later years),
tape cartridges for the HP2645A Mini Data Station,
tape cassettes for a TI? terminal,
DECtape PDPs,
LINCtape (relative of DECtape) DEC, DG, Varian, Perkin-Elmer, Altair
Late 70s early 80s
9 Track tape dominated across the board
8" floppy for micro's
Brief encounter with the 96 column System 32 punch card
40 Meg disk pack for HP3000 (forget drive part#, it was made by CDC?)
<> Mechanical: man or motor powered, bars cams, wheels
<> Electric: Relays, steppers, solonoids and contacts has logic tree.
<> Electronic: uses active devices, tubes, transistors, ICs some types of
<> diodes and neon filled tubes.
<
<A good definition, I could agree, althrough I've seen
<Electric and Electronic the same, since a relay isn't
<diferent from a transistor or a tube for the effekt
<(beside the current).
The distinction for the last two is significant from a design and speed
standpoint. the design process is very different at the detail level.
Allison
From: Philip.Belben(a)powertech.co.uk
Subject: Re[2]: CP/M
> Likewise the Commodore 8-bitters. In the early 1980s, I was one of the
> first in my school (I was 14 or so at the time) to own a floppy disk
> (yes, a disk, not a drive).
Gosh what memories, did you lug around a box of cassettes too??? Yeah,
disks back then were about $5.00 (US) a shot [not to be confused with
ammunition in previous off topics, though I can wield a mean VIC-20] for the
cheap SS/SD ones.
New Topic! Ok people: what sort of storage media (and for what system) did
you guys carry around to start out with?
I started with cassettes for the PETs at high school, though not as old as
some but still nostalgic. I still have my original first tape, though it had
been transfered to a new housing and snaps when a good (assertive?) datasette
rewinds it, it is still readable.
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<>New Topic! Ok people: what sort of storage media (and for what system)
<>you guys carry around to start out with?
<>
8 level paper tape, boces/lirics PDP-8I timeshare system 1969
DECTAPE BOCES/LIRICS PDP-10 (tops-10) timeshare system 1970
MITS ACR casette(300baud), 1975
2400baud NRZ using audio cassette hardware (homebrew)late 1975
4800baud FM using audio cassettes early 1976
DRUM memory (real ugly four track, stored 32kb)
NS* microfloppy (5.25 sa400) late 1976
Just a few I've played with...
Allison
"Max Eskin" <maxeskin(a)hotmail.com> said:
>Do you have any diagrams of the mechanical fire control computers?
Try going to your local Federal building and look for the Goverment
Book Store. There you can find many different military training manuals.
Look for Navy manuals for Fire Control Technician 3 and 2. If you can
find it, it should have plenty of information on mechanical fire control
computers (At least they did 30 years ago).
I'm sure the Navy still uses these kind of computers on older ships with
5" guns.
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Senior Software Engineer
Press Start Inc.
Sunnyvale,CA
Curator
Museum of Personal Computing Machinery
http://www.best.com/~dcoward/museum
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On Jun 18, 21:25, Larry Anderson wrote:
> Yeah,
> disks back then were about $5.00 (US) a shot [not to be confused with
> ammunition in previous off topics, though I can wield a mean VIC-20] for
the
> cheap SS/SD ones.
I recall being one of the first at the college I worked at then, to own
floppies. I remember the price was a few pounds each around 1980, and one
local supplier sold them to students one at a time. Unfortunately (for the
dealer) not all the staff realised the price was per floppy, not per
box-of-10, and a few of us reaped the benefit of that. I still use some of
those disks in an Apple ][.
> New Topic! Ok people: what sort of storage media (and for what system)
did
> you guys carry around to start out with?
Most of my early computing was done on machines that used punched cards or
paper tape, but I didn't often get to keep the cards, and sadly I have no
cards or paper tape now. The first thing I carried about regularly was
cassette tape (CUTS format).
BTW, DECtape is 3/4" not 1" as Jim suggested (slip of the pen?). I still
have some, but alas no deck to read it on.
--
Pete Peter Turnbull
Dept. of Computer Science
University of York
At 06:30 AM 6/16/98 -0400, you wrote:
>>
>> Hello all,
>> I have found a AT&T 6310 PC box. Can anyone tell me anything about it? Is it
>> 10 years old, yet? It is heavy enough I'd thought it had a large
>>linear supply in it, but only a switcher ps! It was made in Italy by
>> Olivetti, as mentioned on the 6300 thread.
>
>Thats a 10MHZ 80286 box which was one of the last Olivetti AT&T PC's.
>
>Bill
>
Would anyone like it? Otherwise, I may find a use for it as a case or
"parts" set, as radio collectors say (I actually like to build old radios as
another hobby), as I don't have a keyboard, etc. for it. It would have to be
a pickup, as it weighs about 40 lb, (18kg)! I live in So. California,
Manhattan Beach.
-Dave
This is one for the, "You can't do squat with those dumb old computers"
file... I picked up a book at a thrift today, called, NEW HORIZONS IN
AMATEUR ASTRONOMY by Grant Fjermedal (C) 1989. Before I got out of the
first chapter I read this excellent little tidbit:
"...David Gedalia, of California's San Fernando Valley, attracted a lot
of attention by day and night with his 10-inch reflector on a
servo-controlled Dobsonian mount. This was set up near the back of his
pickup truck on the upper field, and on the tailgate of the truck was a
simple 64K Atari 800 computer running a star finding program that
Gedalia had written himself.
He had all the objects from Messier (the classic catalog of 104
prominent galaxies, nebulae, and other objects identified in the late
1700s) and several hundred other objects from the more voluminous New
General Catalog. It was so nice at night to see him enter a Messier
number, hit "Return" and listen to the purr of the servos as they
positioned the object right in the center of the eyepiece field..."
