At 07:56 PM 6/18/98 -0700, you wrote:
>I've got a Joust I might let go for something tasty. It's the same
>system board, you only need to swap the ROMs and re-work the control
>panel ;)
ROM's might be possible, but a Robotron game gets a lot of heavy-duty
usage; I don't think I could trust any mods I would make to the controls. 8^(
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>>Yes, but Pascal was born in 1623 so Schickard's device most likely beats
>>whatever Pascal developed in his lifetime (I think he was 18 when he
>>invented it).
>
> Late-comers, all of them. My vote for the earliest computer is the
> Antikythera Device, a bronze mechanical lunar month calculator built in
> Greece about 80AD.
>
> Shickard's "Calculating Clock" was the next mechanical calculator of record
> in 1623, followed by Blaise Pascal's "Pascaline" in 1642, Samuel Morland's
> mechanical calculator in 1666, Gottfried Leibnez' "Stepped Reckoner" in
> 1674, Phillip-Malthus Hahn's calculating machines (the first sold
> commercially) in 1774, and the third Earl of Stanhope's multiplying
> calculator in 1777. The first mass-produced calculating machine was Thomas
> de Colmar's "Arithmometer" in 1820.
Good point. Many early clocks were (or contained) primitive analogue
computers, so I think you win there... sort of.
Two books to look at: "The Mediaeval Machine" by J. Gimpel and "A
History of Engineering in Classical and Mediaeval Times" by D. R. Hill.
Gimpel will fill several holes in your timeline - Su Sung made quite a
complicated astronomical clock in c. 1090; the middle ages saw a
sizeable crop of similar machines in the west, culminating in that of
Giovanni Dondi, under development from 1348 until 1364.
Hill's treatment of clocks is also interesting. He points out that the
Classical civilisations had (presumably inherited from the ancients) a
system by which the hour changed in length depending on the date so that
sunrise to sunset was always twelve hours. Thus ordinary timekeeping
clocks had to combine time and date in an analogue computer to get
hour-number out at the end. Some of the mechanisms Hill describes get
this quite wrong! (I don't recall any of these clocks also taking
account of lattitude...)
OK. I'll go for the Z1 as the first _general purpose_ computer.
Philip.
Ok Atari-heads, what the hell is an SLMC804 Laser? It looks like some
sort of SCSI adapter. Its an external device the size of an external
modem.
Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com
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Hi Bruce,
I had most of your problems on a ra90 ...
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> From: Bruce Lane <kyrrin(a)jps.net>
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Help! RA82, etc.
> Date: Sunday, June 21, 1998 9:40 PM
> OK... I've got a MicroVAX II almost ready to go. However, I'm
handicapped
> by my lack of any documentation for the RA82 disk drive.
sure you are ;-))
> The problem: When spun up, even when connected to the KDA50 controller,
> the drive gets up to speed, seeks a couple of times, and then lights
'Fault.'
>
> My question: Do I even have the thing wired right? Could someone
familiar
> with this stuff describe to me which cable goes where, just to make sure
> I'm not hallucinating?
at least, if you are really sure, you made the right connections, test &
check it again. the sdi cables are very picky, if you "made" a connection,
be sure to fasten the screws also. sometimes it doesn't work without fasten
it.
> The controller seems OK. It passes its internal and service diagnostics,
> and when I stare at the LEDs on the two boards long enough I can see some
> sort of fast scanning sequence going on about every 5-7 seconds.
one more shot in the dark ;-))
the ra81 & ra82 have in diagnostic port on the disks. you can get more
information about the disks, if you put a terminal at it. But don't ask, i
never done it, (i got my disks to run without it) try DejaNews.
hope it helps a little,
emanuel
> Ok Atari-heads, what the hell is an SLMC804 Laser? It looks like some
> sort of SCSI adapter. Its an external device the size of an external
> modem.
One of the 'Power without the Price' products from ATARI.
basicly a 300 dpi Laser unit with only minimal control
logic (only a bit map buffer for one (?) line of graphic.
Connection to the ST computers where made via the ACSI port -
ATARIs castarated version of SCSI used for the ST Harddisk.
The whole font and page processing had to be done by the
host computer - but the Printer was availabel for less than
2000 Mark (~1300 USD) when new - only haf the price of the
cheapest 'regular' laser printer.
Servus
Hans
PS.: 20c for THE hair (but only if a nice poly acryl
display case is included).
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HRK
>> Conner CP-3044 3.5" 40mb (42mb actual?) IDE hard drive
rats, I had a whole heap of these a while ago but disposed of them all -
they seem extremely unreliable and kept on dying on me, so I dumped the
lot...
I don't know if it's true of all IDE drives, but you may be able to use
a different drive; you just won't get more than the 40MB out of it...
cheers
J.
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-----Original Message-----
From: Max Eskin <maxeskin(a)hotmail.com>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Date: Monday, June 22, 1998 4:20
Subject: Re: principals in online selling? (was: IMSAI 8080)
they where used in school in the states, the where called I think "bell &
Howards"
they also came with the lid screwed down..........to stop the little ones
touching the "shiny" bits inside..........
>
>
>
>
>Well, I've never seen one. Then again, I've never seen your ass.
>Why were they black? Was it a special edition? Were the beige ones
>or the black ones first?
>>
>>> its just getting worse by the minute check this out from the Obsolete
>>> Computer helpline:
>>>
>>>
>>> Matt Antonellis <206-343-7576 P.S.T.>
>>> seattle, wa usa - Friday, June 19, 1998 at 18:43:02
>>>
>>> FOR SALE: $500 rare BLACK AppleIIplus very good condition call MATT
>>> ANTONELLIS in SEATTLE 206-343-7576
>>
>>Rare my hairy ass. This is about as rare as the hair on my ass.
>>
>>Sam Alternate e-mail:
>dastar(a)wco.com
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At 10:13 AM 6/20/98 -0700, you wrote:
>>After a round of email bidding, the seller sez:
>>Somebody recently suggested that it would be better to offer stuff
>>directly to readers of this list rather than advertising them via online
I seem to remember that eBay offers private auctions -- you put something
up for bid and just tell the people you want about it. That sort of thing
might facilitate auctioning things off to list members.
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Sorry for the personal message... I told Pine *not* to reply to
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BAD Pine! BAD! BAD!
Sorry again.... I will wear a Luser hat and sit in the corner for
an hour trying to find a missing comma in the middle of a 6 Mb hex
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Cheers
John