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Quarter classics (was: Big Iron Was:RE: Backwate

by franke＠sbs.de

>>It certainly has been (and will continue to be) for me... >>But seriously, since my workshop isn't open to the public, and almost >>nobody knows who I am, where should %random_person go to find out >>about real front panels, forerunners of Windows, etc. If not a science >>museum, then where? > The local public library. Get a comfy chair, sit in front of the > terminal, call up lynx, get a hotmail account, and subscribe to the > mailing list. Of course, if the library has some back issues of computer > magazines or computer history books, those never hurt either ;) A museum > is generally considered to be a 'fun place' and though it is possible > to learn quite a bit, they can't beat reading a good book (though they > are a visual compendium). Hmm I think you should come to Munich and visit the Deutsches Museum. A slow walk thru the chemical section (for example) could tell you the same story than a book, but you will also _see_ whats hapening when two chemicals mix up. You still have to read - there is plenty of text ro read - sometimes the equivalent of 5 or 6 book pages only for one show case, and ar far as I remember the chemical section has more than 100 of this hands on cases. Shure, tunning thru and press every butten wont result in any information - but just browsing thru a chemical book either. > BTW, the Boston Computer Museum has a very > good history section. Books like 'A Secret Guide To Computers' also > educate quite a bit. Lastly, since you're so worried about this (we all > are, I hope) why not just write a book? :) - Hereby I oder one copy. Gruss H. -- Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut HRK

28 years, 2 months

Macintoshes...

by franke＠sbs.de

> >there are only two kinds of mac mouses: 9 pin for plus and earlier and adb > for > >se and later models. i've never heard of anything else. as for slow booting, > Offtopic by about 10 years: > We just got in a Motorola 603e StarMax mac clone a few months ago at work. > I loved this machine! It had both ADB connectors AND PS/2 style connectors. > It also had a standard DB25 serial port connector on it. IMHO, this would > have been a good step for Apple to make say about 5 or 6 years ago. Apple is just doing this step in a far better direction: They change to USB (at least thats what they told us at WWDC) and the iMac is the first to excange ADB for USB. Not using PS/2 wasn't so bad at all - ADB is a lot more convienient since I connect the mouse to the kbd nut the cpu. Gruss H. -- Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut HRK

28 years, 2 months

Loss of early UCSD P-System materials...

by kroma＠worldnet.att.net

>>Subject: UCSD Pascal >> >>Damn! I wish I'd known about your museum - last summer I helped clean >>out the lab that had been Ken Bowles and we found a bunch of 8-inch stuff, >>old tapes, etc. which were trashed because no one wanted them. I'll look >>around here and see if there's anything left. > OH MY GOD, THEY KILLED KENNY!!! YOU BASTARDS!!!

28 years, 2 months

macs and IDE drives...

by franke＠sbs.de

> this isn't really "classic" per se, but... It's the classic Mac-IDE question. And the answer is simple no. > I grabbed a performa 636cd, w/ a 500mb ide drive. being curious i > ripped out the 1-connector ide cable and connected a 2-connector; the > mac ide quantum (which specifically says "apple" on it...) was set as > master, and i popped a seagate on as a slave. no boot unless i popped in > the mac disk tools. if i take off the 2nd ide drive, it boots. being a > total mac idiot, is it even possible to use a ATA ide drive on a mac? or > is there something else to this that i'm missing? any help would be > gratefully appreciated. thanks. Yes_and_no to all questions. It's just that Apple only suports one _one_ IDE drive. Almost any drive work correctly, but you need third party setup software like HDT. Gruss H. -- Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut HRK

28 years, 2 months

Macintosh II (lisa???)

by higginbo＠netpath.net

At 12:35 AM 6/25/98 -0500, Uncle Roger wrote: >Mac IIx - 68030? >Mac IIfx >Mac IIvx (iirc) I'm not sure about the IIvx either, but I do have a Mac IIx sitting here. Main difference was just a little boost on the proc speed over the Mac II. Question: Will any nubus card work in any mac with a nubus slot? (I'm talking standard form, one piece card, not the little two piece connected jobbies found on the SI/LC etc.) - - john higginbotham ____________________________ - webmaster www.pntprinting.com - - limbo limbo.netpath.net -

28 years, 2 months

Macintoshes...

by higginbo＠netpath.net

At 10:54 PM 6/24/98 EDT, SUPRDAVE(a)aol.com wrote: >there are only two kinds of mac mouses: 9 pin for plus and earlier and adb for >se and later models. i've never heard of anything else. as for slow booting, Offtopic by about 10 years: We just got in a Motorola 603e StarMax mac clone a few months ago at work. I loved this machine! It had both ADB connectors AND PS/2 style connectors. It also had a standard DB25 serial port connector on it. IMHO, this would have been a good step for Apple to make say about 5 or 6 years ago. - - john higginbotham ____________________________ - webmaster www.pntprinting.com - - limbo limbo.netpath.net -

28 years, 2 months

Macintoshes...

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

there are only two kinds of mac mouses: 9 pin for plus and earlier and adb for se and later models. i've never heard of anything else. as for slow booting, you might want to run disk first aid if you have it on your machine. i think you need to boot off a floppy and run it from there for it to check and fix any problems it finds. those two buttons you found is the programmer's switch. one does a reboot and the other brings you to a system monitor prompt. supposedly useful for those that know what to do. david In a message dated 98-06-24 21:43:32 EDT, megan writes: << Speaking of Mac Mice... At the MIT Flea this past weekend, I picked up a mouse for the Mac Classic I mentioned in other mail... it is the 'original' style of apple mouse. My question is whether this will work correctly with the Mac Classic -- it does seem to plug in, but since I'm not getting much response from the system, I don't know... BTW - another question -- when the Mac Classic boots, it shows the smiley disk and I hear the internal HD working. The screen goes light grey with a pointer on it. This is displayed for a few seconds and then I get the 'Welcome to Macintosh' screen. This remains this way for as much as 10 minutes (I didn't wait longer). Is this normal? Have I simply not allowed the system adequate time to boot to a user screen? (I'm used to an RT system which boots in about 30-45 seconds, depending on amount of memory). Also, there are two buttons on the left side of the case... one apparently does the mac equivalent of the three-fingered-salute on PCs... the other one causes the 'Welcome to Macintosh' screen to go away and be replaced by one which lookes the same (banner background) but with a '>' sign... What is this? >>

28 years, 2 months

Sour grapes (was: principals in online selling?)

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 02:40 PM 6/23/98 -0700, you wrote: >about it. But we invest time and money and passion into this hobby, and I >don't think its wrong to take advantage of a good deal when one comes In the long run, it probably offsets the times we spend more than we should to make sure something important isn't destroyed (including paying for storage units, etc.) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/

28 years, 2 months

new additions, info wanted

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 10:43 PM 6/22/98 -0500, you wrote: >I'll trade it for an Altair and an Apple 1 and most importantly, one of those rare >black AppleIIplus's. Oh sure, I gots lots of those... 8^) >What the heck is a FlatCat (uh oh, me thinks I just set myself up here). Laptop version of the Cat. >It doesn't have cursor keys, or a pointing device. It uses these two 'leap' keys Yeah, that's it. Pretty cool. >Let me know when you get the Apple 1 and I'll dig the Cat out and send it to >you :) Ummm,, you don't mind if there's a little bit of white-out spilled next to where it says "Apple ]" do you? 8^) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/

28 years, 2 months

NeXT cubes or slabs.

by gim＠hitec-uk.com

Who do I have to kill? Are they so black you can see your reflection in them? :) Grant.. Software Engineer, Hitec Aberdeen. Kevan Heydon <kevan(a)heydon.org> on 06/26/98 04:47:49 PM Please respond to classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu To: "Discussion re-collecting of classic computers" <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> cc: Subject: Re: NeXT cubes or slabs. Speaking of NeXTs, I have just got a lead on some available in the UK. The mail I got is: Unconfirmed reports are that I may be able to lay my hands on, like, TWENTY NeXT slabs for the princely sum of 70 quid each. My mind immediately turns to CamNet and the denizens within as sinks for such wonderful but antique hardware. Note that if you want a 17" colour monitor, then that is at the ultimate ripoff price of another 60 quid. Both figures EXCLUDE VAT at the usual rate, apparently. Machine specs are: TurboColour NeXTStation. 68040/33 / 32MB / 500MB SCSI + Keyboard + Mouse + Soundbox. (as black as, like, the blackest thing - none more black) (1138x932@12bit) Monitors: NeXT MegaPixel Colour Monitors (Black cool case) 17" @ 60 quid 21" @ 150 quid If you are interested then drop me an email and I will coordinate things with the person I got this email from. -- Kevan Old Computer Collector: http://www.heydon.org/kevan/collection/

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