I think this guy is on crack, ludes, hashish, pot, heroin, and any other
drugs you might dream up. I've passed on systems like this priced at
$200!
Tony
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Williams [mailto:dlw@trailingedge.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 1998 4:12 AM
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
> Subject: Fwd: Apple IIgs Rom 0 Available?
>
>
> Well, I think the guy is on crack but YMMV. As I would not pay
> anywhere near that much for this system, someone else might so if you
> are interested contact him directly, not me.
>
> ----- Forwarded message -----
> Return-Path: <will(a)technotrack.com>
> Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 22:21:37 -0500
> From: will <will(a)technotrack.com>
> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I)
> Subject: IIgs for sale
>
> I do have the following:
>
> * Apple IIgs Limited Edition (signed by Steve Wozinak) with
> Authenticity certificate
> * 5.25" drive
> * 3.5" 800K drive
> * 52 meg hard disk
> * 1 meg Apple memory expansion board.
> * Apple ImageWriter II
> * Keningston System Saver IIgs
> * SCSI card with DMA and caching
> * AppleWorks 3, PrintShop IIgs, many TimeOut add-ons to AppleWorks
> * All manuals and cables (I have some, but not all, boxes),
> monitor,
> ADB keyboard, and ADB mouse
>
> If you were looking for donations, I am sorry, but for the moment, my
> price is $6500 plus shipping (insured). If you are not interested,
> please pass the word on.
>
> -----
> David Williams - Computer Packrat
> dlw(a)trailingedge.com
> http://www.trailingedge.com
>
Reminds me of a trick Penn Jillette (of the magician duo Penn & Teller)
thought somebody (somebody other than *him*) should try on their laptops
next time they pass through an airport:
AUTOEXEC.BAT
echo ARMING....
echo ARMED
echo 10
echo 9
echo 8...
(Note: This may well be a federal crime, and I don't recommend it. It's
also a bad idea to call and wave to friends in airports ("Hi, Jack!") and
to disparage the in-flight movie ("'My Best Friend's Wedding?' What a
bomb!").
-- Bill
Sam Ismail <dastar(a)ncal.verio.com> on 07/22/98 08:20:58 PM
Please respond to classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu
To: "Discussion re-collecting of classic computers"
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
cc: (bcc: Bill Sheehan/Corporate/SWEC)
Subject: Re: Compaq
On Wed, 22 Jul 1998, Tony Duell wrote:
> As I mentioned once before, I once carried a VR201, by its handle, on a
> train. Now, in that orientation, it looks a little like a bomb or land
> mine, so I stuck a little label on each side with 'Danger Implosives' on
> it, in red pen. Got some _very_ odd looks :-).
Haha. That's a ballsy act. I wonder what would happen to you if you
tried that today.
Ok, now grow your beard out a little and try it in Arab head-dress.
Sam Alternate e-mail:
dastar(a)siconic.com
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Ever onward.
September 26 & 27...Vintage Computer Festival 2
See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details!
[Last web page update: 07/21/98]
I cannot attend the VCF but would like a shot at winning the IMSAI
8080 anyway. If I buy a $5.00 admission ticket and mail in the stub,
would I be entered into the drawing for the IMSAI 8080? On the wrong
coast-
Marty
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| | |____________________________| | KEYNOTE SPEAKER | | |
| |__________________________________| | | |
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| | || || || | / | | | |
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| | |__||_||_||______________| | Mr. Bell will speak about | | |
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| | || || || | / | DEC PDP-1, PDP-8 and PDP-11 | |
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| o ________________________ \______| |___o |
| | | || || || | |-Ray Holt | |
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| ________________________ ____| first microprocessor? Guess |___/ |
| | || || || |__/ | again. This designer of the | |
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| | |__||_||_||______________| | gle-board computers will re- | |
| o ________________________ ______| veal why computer history |_____ |
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| ________________________ __| |_____| |
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| ________________________ \___| worked under Harry Huskey to |__o | |
| | || || || | | help build this first com- | | |
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| |__||_||_||______________| \ | ____ O | | |
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| | || || || | \ | |
| .-| For the Prizes! |----. \________________________________o | |
| | |__||_||_||______________| \ | |
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| o o________ \ | |
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| H | Vintage Computer |___ \ | consoles, handheld devices, | | |
| H | Festival... | \ \ | arcade machines or personal | | |
| H / \ \ \__| computers, there's a Mac- |_____| |
| H | The main mission | \ | based emulator for you. | |
| H | of the Vintage | \ | | |
| H | Computer Festival | \ |-Jim Willing | |
| H | is to promote the | \__| |____o |
| H | preservation of | | Jim will demonstrate ways in | |
| H | "obsolete" compu- |___ | which you can put computers, | |
| H | ters by allowing | \ | new and old, back to work in | |
| H | attendees to ex- | \_____| the classroom. Also, how to |___ |
| H | perience the tech- | | care for your old computers. | \ |
| H | nologies, people | | | \ |
| H | and stories that | |-Bruce Faust | | |
| H | embody the remark- | ______| |__o | |
| H | able tale of the | / | Bruce will tell you every- | | |
| H | computer revolu- | o' | thing you want to know about | | |
| H | tion. | | the Toshiba T1100, the first | o | |
| H |____________________| ___| "laptop" computer. |__/ | |
| H | / | | | |
| H o o______/ |-Manny Lemas | | |
| H _________________________ | | o | |
| H o__| VCF2 S P O N S O R S |___| Manny will discuss his work |__/ | |
| H | www.haggle.com | | in the early days of the | | |
| H____| Dr. Dobb's Journal | | microcomputer revolution, | | |
| H |_________________________| | including publication of the | | |
| H __| first microcomputer journal |_____| |
| H / | and his involvement with the | | |
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| H ________ ________ / | Synertek SYM-1. | | |
| H |o \__/ | / | | | |
| H_____| |_/ __|-Philip Belben |___o | |
| H | Test your computer | o' | | | |
| H | history knowledge! | | Philip will be presenting a | o |
| H __| |__o | workshop on the pre-history | |
| H | Nerd Trivia | __| of the graphics workstation. |_____ |
| H | Challenge | o | | ____ O | H |
| H o___| |_/ | |__________/ \______________| H |
| H | Only at VCF 2.0! | / H |
| H | | / H |
| H _| - Also - |__/ ___________________o H |
| H / | | / H |
| H o' | A screening of | / __ ___ __________________ H |
| H __| vintage computer |____/ | |__| | | H |
| H / | sales and training | | |Someone lucky will|==-----H |
| H | | films from the | | | go home with an | H |
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| H | | by San Francisco | /| (_) | IMSAI 8080 |==--o H |
| H | | stock footage | / | | | H |
| H | o_| film archive |____/ | | See the VCF web | H |
| H o | Oddball Film+Video | | __ | site for details |==--o H |
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Anyone out there have a spare S-100 RAM card (any size) that they would
be willing to part with? I need one for the IMSAI, cant test it properly
without one :)
Tony
Hi again,
Thanks for all the help with getting the thing booted, I managed to get
the miniroot installed on xy0 (an aging Fujitsu M2322K on a Xylogics
450(451?) controller), and it boots quite happily off the miniroot into
single user mode, the SunOS install program is quite advanced for 1986,
and very easy to use! Just select the packages and put the tapes in when
asked.
Along the way i've noticed that one of my memory cards seems to be faulty,
it currently has 7mb of ram (4mb + 1mb + 1mb +1mb), after numerous
"Protection Bus Faults" I removed all but the 4mb card, and all is fine, i
was able to up it to 6 and isolate the faulty card. I'll probably end up
replacing most of the 4164 chips on that board, i think I have a box full
of them somewhere :)
The only problem I seem to be having is that, the first time I installed
SunOS, when it goes to boot multiuser, it stops at "Using 100 buffers
containing xxxxx bytes of memory" then appears to write continously to the
HDD, (I verified this by clicking the WP switch on, and it dumped errors
everywhere). it's not the rc files, i'll have a go at reinstalling SunOS
again and see.
There appears to be another problem, I don't have the manufacturers bad
block data for the drive, and as such when i reformatted the drive it has
no bad block info.... Now I did try "scan" in the diags to rebuild the bad
block table, at which point it filled the bad block table and declared the
drive unusable. I am slightly dubious of this, as the format/verify then
failed where it had worked previously. Resetting the drive returned things
to a sane state, and the format/verify completed correctly... any ideas?
On the up side, the Tapemaster 1/2" tape and the ethernet interface is
working, when it does finally work it'll be plugged into the university
LAN....should make an interesting curiosity :)
Cheers
Karl
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Computer Engineering student at the University of Canberra, Australia
Email: k.maftoum(a)student.canberra.edu.au
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| H / ____|____|____|____|____|____|____|____|____|____|___ \ \ `=o |
| H | | | \ \ |
| H | | The Premier Event for Computer Enthusiasts is Back! | \ \__ |
| H | | | \ | |
| H o | V I N T A G E C O M P U T E R F E S T I V A L |__ \ o |
| H | | \ \ |
| H \ - VCF 2.0 - | \ `-o |
| H | |\ `----o |
| H | September 26-27, Santa Clara Convention Center | `-------o |
| H / Santa Clara, California | |
| H | | |
| H | Speakers, Exhibit and Flea Market | |
| H | | |
| H | O http://www.siconic.com/vcf | |
| H |_____________________________________________________| ____o |
| H | | | | | | | | | | / |
| H | | | | | | | | | |______/ |
| H============' | | | | | | | |_________________ |
| H / | | \ \ \ |_____________________ | |
| H / / | `-o \ \ || |
| H o___________/ / \______ \ \ || |
| H o \_____|____|___________________ || |
| H ____________________________ | | || |
| H | | | The S P E A K E R S | || |
| `=| Why would YOU come to the | __| |___|| |
| _| Vintage Computer Festival? | | | | |
| | |____________________________| | KEYNOTE SPEAKER | | |
| |__________________________________| | | |
| ________________________ ___|-Gordon Bell |__ | |
| | || || || | / | | | |
| .-| To Learn the History |--' | Father of the Mini-computer! | | |
| | |__||_||_||______________| | Mr. Bell will speak about | | |
| o ________________________ ___| his pioneering work on the |____| |
| | || || || | / | DEC PDP-1, PDP-8 and PDP-11 | |
| o-| For the Nostalgia |--' | | |
| |__||_||_||______________| | FEATURED SPEAKER | |
| o ________________________ \______| |___o |
| | | || || || | |-Ray Holt | |
| `-| To Hear the Speakers |-._____| | o |
| |__||_||_||______________| | Who really invented the | / |
| ________________________ ____| first microprocessor? Guess |___/ |
| | || || || |__/ | again. This designer of the | |
| .-|To Buy Vintage Computers|-------| JOLT and Synertek SYM-1 sin- |-----o |
| | |__||_||_||______________| | gle-board computers will re- | |
| o ________________________ ______| veal why computer history |_____ |
| | || || || |/ | may need to be re-written. | | |
| o-|For the Games & Contests|--. | | | |
| |__||_||_||______________| \___|-David Rutland | | |
| ________________________ __| |_____| |
| | || || || | | On the National Bureau of | | |
| o-|To Meet Other Collectors|-o | Standards Western Automatic | | |
| |__||_||_||______________|___ | Computer (SWAC). Mr. Rutland | | |
| ________________________ \___| worked under Harry Huskey to |__o | |
| | || || || | | help build this first com- | | |
| o-| To Meet the Pioneers |---. | puter west of the rockies. | | |
| |__||_||_||______________| \ | ____ O | | |
| ________________________ \ |____________/ \____________| | |
| | || || || | \ | |
| .-| For the Prizes! |----. \________________________________o | |
| | |__||_||_||______________| \ | |
| | \__________________________________ | |
| o o________ \ | |
| ,=============o \ ______________________________ | | |
| // | o__ \ | | | | |
| H ___________|________ \ \ |-Tom Geller | | | |
| H | | \ \__| |___| | |
| H \ Philosophy of the / \ | Whether you're into game | | |
| H | Vintage Computer |___ \ | consoles, handheld devices, | | |
| H | Festival... | \ \ | arcade machines or personal | | |
| H / \ \ \__| computers, there's a Mac- |_____| |
| H | The main mission | \ | based emulator for you. | |
| H | of the Vintage | \ | | |
| H | Computer Festival | \ |-Jim Willing | |
| H | is to promote the | \__| |____o |
| H | preservation of | | Jim will demonstrate ways in | |
| H | "obsolete" compu- |___ | which you can put computers, | |
| H | ters by allowing | \ | new and old, back to work in | |
| H | attendees to ex- | \_____| the classroom. Also, how to |___ |
| H | perience the tech- | | care for your old computers. | \ |
| H | nologies, people | | | \ |
| H | and stories that | |-Bruce Faust | | |
| H | embody the remark- | ______| |__o | |
| H | able tale of the | / | Bruce will tell you every- | | |
| H | computer revolu- | o' | thing you want to know about | | |
| H | tion. | | the Toshiba T1100, the first | o | |
| H |____________________| ___| "laptop" computer. |__/ | |
| H | / | | | |
| H o o______/ |-Manny Lemas | | |
| H _________________________ | | o | |
| H o__| VCF2 S P O N S O R S |___| Manny will discuss his work |__/ | |
| H | www.haggle.com | | in the early days of the | | |
| H____| Dr. Dobb's Journal | | microcomputer revolution, | | |
| H |_________________________| | including publication of the | | |
| H __| first microcomputer journal |_____| |
| H / | and his involvement with the | | | // |
| H ________ ________ / | Synertek SYM-1. | | |
| H |o \__/ | / | | | |
| H_____| |_/ __|-Philip Belben |___o | |
| H | Test your computer | o' | | | |
| H | history knowledge! | | Philip will be presenting a | o |
| H __| |__o | workshop on the pre-history | |
| H | Nerd Trivia | __| of the graphics workstation. |_____ |
| H | Challenge | o | | ____ O | H |
| H o___| |_/ | |__________/ \______________| H |
| H | Only at VCF 2.0! | / H |
| H | | / H |
| H _| - Also - |__/ ___________________o H |
| H / | | / H |
| H o' | A screening of | / __ ___ __________________ H |
| H __| vintage computer |____/ | |__| | | H |
| H / | sales and training | | |Someone lucky will|==-----H |
| H | | films from the | | | go home with an | H |
| H | __| 50s, 60s and 70s |__ | _ | | H |
| H | | by San Francisco | /| (_) | IMSAI 8080 |==--o H |
| H | | stock footage | / | | | H |
| H | o_| film archive |____/ | | See the VCF web | H |
| H o | Oddball Film+Video | | __ | site for details |==--o H |
| H |____________________| |__| |___|__________________| H |
| H H |
| \\ // |
| `=====================================================================' |
| |
| V2.0 rev 2 http://www.siconic.com/vcf (C) SICONIC 1998 |
|___________________________________________________________________________|
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See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details
[Last web page update: 07/26/98]
Hi everyone. Just to let you know, I'm not dead. (Boos, hissing,
please.) Anyway, I found a MS Softcard for an A2. Serial# (if it
matters) 2-189 18227. Full docs, all disks, packaging, etc. Now, for
someone who has 2 or more: What's a good garage-sale-old-used-hardware
price???? (It's a frends, but I want to pay hm to remove the guilt.)
Pleae reply to worldsfate(a)geocities.com (Yes, that's not this addresss,
but I can't get my HPC to send from it.)
Thanks for any info.
Tim D. Hotze
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On Aug 4, 0:25, Tony Duell wrote:
> Am I the younger generation? (I date from about the time of the PDP12). I
> certainly know what a cork borer is - I've used them on many occasions.
> What on earth do people use now to fit glass tubing into corks?
They don't use corks -- they use pre-bored rubber bungs. However, the
easiest and safest way to put a thermometer into a bung is to insert a
borer first, slide the thermometer down the borer, and remove the borer
leaving the thermometer in place. One of the first things I was taught on
the lab techs course years ago (the second thing was how to deal with a kid
who has a thermometer impaled in the hand).
--
Pete Peter Turnbull
Dept. of Computer Science
University of York
On Aug 3, 19:45, Tony Duell wrote:
> Subject: Re: Oh heck it booted
> > > Hmmm.. I have a small lathe (IMHO _all_ computer preservationists
need
> > > one, like you need a 'scope, logic analyser, soldering iron, etc,
right
> > > ;-)). But rubber is not the easiest material to turn to size - my
guess
> > > is you need to take a very light cut...
> >
> > With a very sharp cutting tool!
>
> That always helps :-). I would also grind a shallower angle on the
> top/front edge, to reduce the tendency for it to dig it. A tool that digs
> in to the rubber would pull it away from the spindle, and cause it to end
> up undersize (and rough!).
Actually, you want exactly the opposite if you're cutting it -- a very
acute angle, so the rubber is sliced thinly with minimal effort. You want
to slice it rather in the manner you would do wood turning with a turning
chisel.
--
Pete Peter Turnbull
Dept. of Computer Science
University of York
< No, I was thinking about differences in ground potential between the
< two buildings, static electricity, lightning strikes, that sort of
< thing. All the canonical reasons why you wouldn't want to pull
< Ethernet coax through that conduit.
Use thick eithernet wire as its coax and uses ground and everything uses
an isolated interface to it. AUI is imune to ground loops and can be
burried.
The other approach is RS422/485 type interconnect as it is differntial.
Myself I'd sink several peices of weather proof coax and build on that
using AUI (thick eithenet).
If you have a choice go underground as air trips invice lightining.
Allison
