> I can personally guarantee that that isn't the only mailer/reader your
> computer will run. Or I will shit in my hat and wear it backwards for a
> month. (If your school/job/ISP has made a decision not to allow to use
> anything better, it doesn't mean your computer can't do it).
>
>
well , it WILL run other readers, but they won't fit. I have a Cyrix P200+
w/80 MB RAM, and I had a 425 MB HD with 100 free MB, until lightning hit.
Now I'm stuck with a 100MB drive with 5MB free. MS-mail came with IE3.2,
which was already on the 100MB drive, along with Win '95. I normally use
Outlook Express, with IE4.0, but they just won't fit on this drive :-(
--
-Jason
(roblwill(a)usaor.net)
ICQ#-1730318
< >believe it was also available for the IBM PC, PDP11, Sage, etc.
I've run it on Apple][, NS* Horizon(z80), and PDP-11/23 and all worked
the same and fairly well though a bit slow. it was honest pascal and I
used it to teach many people the language.
< As for Sam's childhood trauma disk injury, should we discuss
< which systems didn't have a hardware-based "disk changed" indicator,
< and which relied on software methods to prevent that sort
< of disaster?
All of the systems I used DIDNOT have disk change logic, nor was it
needed. the P-system does volcheck on a disk before writing or reading
to make sure it's the right one. Likely the volume was of the same name
or the kernel was corrupted. I know this as the NS* was only 80k per
drive and three drives and I'd often put the wrong disk where ever.
Also Most version had dupdir so if one directory was munged you could
copy the other and use it.
Allison
> From: <cdrmool(a)interlog.com>
> Subject: PET 4016
>
> I picked up a Commodore Pet for old times sake (it was the first desktop
> computer I ever got my hands on). Unfortunately a couple of keys are not
> responding consistantly. I suspect that some goop got spilled on it at
> some point (it was a board of education computer originally). I tried
> some head cleaner which has worked for me before but not this time.
> Anyone with experience with this with advice?
>
>
> TIA
> colan
Remove the keyboard and undo all those little screws (takes a long time,
especially after the second or third try to get a particular key working
again.) , unsolder the shift-lock switch then 'Erase' the circuit board
contacts with a pink pearl eraser then use the head cleaner to clean the board
further. Ususally the rubber 'feet' of the keys become dry or gunky and will
need to be cleaned to get them going I have seen jobs on PET keyboards to as
far as putting gold leaf on the feet, but it seems to only be a temporary
fix... I have found as a last resort to a troublesome key is a light brush
(on the rubber foot) with fine sand paper can get the contact working again.
Careful what you try you don't want to damage anything.
> From: Scott Walde <scott(a)saskatoon.com>
> Subject: Re: PET 4016
>
> >Thanks, I'll give that a try. I was hoping that the head cleaner would
> >work its way under the keys and do the job,
To get it to where it is needed from the outside you would just about have to
soak it in cleaner (not good for the key ledgends). :/
> but I'll have to bite the
> >bullet and go inside.
It's not that bad, very simple design, just be grounded when you unplug and
re-plug the keyboard cable...
> By the way, what peripherals went with this thing?
>
> Typically a tape drive, maybe a disk drive, maybe a printer. The disk
> drives and printers connected to the IEEE-488 bus. (One of the two
> bigger edge connectors on the back.) The tape drive (the drives used on
> the VIC-20 will work) connects to the narrow edge connector.
Also the IEEE-488 can hook to a variety of scientific and Electronic Measuring
Devices, Plotters, etc. There were also Graphics boards (for higher
resolution) graphics tablets, and other nifty goodies. Check out the PET FAQ
I maintain for more information:
http://www.goldrush.com/~foxnhare/petfaq.html
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< Not being a OS programmer, I don't know what the app was looking for,
< but the Lynx software barfed on 3.0,3.2,3.3 with the error message
< "software will run only under DOS 2.x, please correct and try again".
< I've tried several PC and MS DOS versions and setver of several flavors
< (6.0,6.2,6.22) and DR-DOS 5,6,7 and it won't run except under
< 2.0,2.1,2.11(Tandy version).
Then do a "help setver" from dos and read up. That is what setver is for.
Allison
>
> Oh there are:
>
> Miniscribe (early Maxtor) 8051A (40MB, voice coil) supports XT or AT
> mode. Seagate in either: ST325A/X or ST351A/X (quiet stepper but
> pretty good).
>
Thanks! Now, does anyone have a spare one of these drives laying around??
> And Tandy have website for every all the way back to early models.
> Search for it with www.metacrawler.com
>
> By the way, squash the thoughts of getting IE installed. Get
> Netscape 3.04 gold (very reliable, appox 15MB total) and seperate
> email program like Pegasus Mail (under 1MB), suitable programs for
> mail use. Netscape 4.x is too new and too bloated for current
> crop of late 486's and most pentiums. Real bad program is IE 4.x
> which breaks everything especially angering those notebook owners.
>
I already tried it. Nothing ever loaded right. Java never worked, either.
IE4 worked fine. It also worked fine on my Toshiba laptop, until the HD
blew for the 4th time (IE didn't do it).
--
-Jason
(roblwill(a)usaor.net)
ICQ#-1730318
> On Wed, 12 Aug 1998, John Foust wrote:
>
> > >As you mentioned, if you put the wrong disk in, it does
> not give you a way
> > >to recover. I know its hard to believe any software could
> be worse than
> > >Windows at error recovery, but Apple Pascal was. I once
> lost my entire
> > >disk of Pascal programs because the OS could not find the
> right disk. The
> > >error message was something like "Volume not found:
> directory erased".
> >
> > UCSD Pascal's directory structure is absolutely elementary.
> > It's FAT has room for a fixed number of files, and each is stored
> > contiguously in logical blocks. If you've still got the disk,
> > you can easily recover your files. I'm not sure why it
> > would decide to zap the directory structure - are you sure it
> > wasn't your fault? :-) There's a volume label, and I thought
>
> This was 10 years ago in high school. I doubt I can get back
> credit :)
>
> > the OS at least checked this before it assumed the right disk
> > was in the drive - unless your program was working at a low
> > level, and asked for a specific (#4:, #5:) drive.
>
> It was the OS itself that maimed my files. The OS! I put in
> the wrong
> disk and the OS puked all over it.
>
I remember this happening if you were writing to a disk and accidentally
put the wrong one in.
Tony
>Check out <http://www.cris.com/~comug/outbound/index.shtml>. Is yours the
>Laptop (two pieces) or the Notebook (one piece)? If the latter, I can get
>you the specs for the PS when I get home (if you don't hear from me, e-mail
>me to remind me.) To start it, hit return or space on the keyboard.
It's the Notebook, Model 200 series. Thanks for your help.
BTW, I sent you an email offering to trade some NeXT and Mac equipment
for a Dash '030, but it was while I was having trouble with my email
account. Did you receive the email? Interested in trading?
Sincerely,
Tom
--
Sysop of Caesarville Online
Client software at: <http://home.earthlink.net/~tomowad/>
At 10:13 AM 8/12/98 -0700, you wrote:
> Just purchased an "Outbound Laptop System". I can't find a power
>switch on the unit. Does it use the keyboard to power on?
> I don't have the power adapter. What are the specs for it? Can the
>Outbound run directly off the adapter or does it need to run off the
>battery?
Check out <http://www.cris.com/~comug/outbound/index.shtml>. Is yours the
Laptop (two pieces) or the Notebook (one piece)? If the latter, I can get
you the specs for the PS when I get home (if you don't hear from me, e-mail
me to remind me.) To start it, hit return or space on the keyboard.
Specs depend on the model. If it's the notebook, there's a model # on the
back by the expansion ports. Could be 68K or 68030 (iirc). It can run
directly off the PS, but batteries should also be readily available (it's a
standard type of camcorder battery.)
If it's the Laptop, and you decide to part with it, do let me know!
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roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know."
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At 11:56 AM 8/12/98 -0700, Sam Ismail wrote:
>
>I'll just say this: Apple UCSD Pascal blows.
>
>As you mentioned, if you put the wrong disk in, it does not give you a way
>to recover. I know its hard to believe any software could be worse than
>Windows at error recovery, but Apple Pascal was. I once lost my entire
>disk of Pascal programs because the OS could not find the right disk. The
>error message was something like "Volume not found: directory erased".
UCSD Pascal's directory structure is absolutely elementary.
It's FAT has room for a fixed number of files, and each is stored
contiguously in logical blocks. If you've still got the disk,
you can easily recover your files. I'm not sure why it
would decide to zap the directory structure - are you sure it
wasn't your fault? :-) There's a volume label, and I thought
the OS at least checked this before it assumed the right disk
was in the drive - unless your program was working at a low
level, and asked for a specific (#4:, #5:) drive.
- John
S'funny. I thought there might be more interest in a working PDP
system, because everyone complains there are (relatively) fewer of
them left in the Southern California area.
So just a reminder to my esteemed ListDwellers.. I have a big
11/04 system that is free to a good home, details can be read in the
archives under a siliar heading, or e-mail me for details. If there
is no interest, I must part out the system to make room for Other DEC
Stuff.
And also, Thanks to all who have written with advice to my last
round of novice system config questions.
Cheers
John
