At 10:53 AM 8/14/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Someone posted saying that there in fact was a 2.11 which I've not been
>able to find reference to. By any chance was that what came with a PCjr?
>
>
>colan
My NEC APC uses MSDOS 2.11, on an 8" floppy.
Regards
Charlie Fox
>
>
>
>
Why don't we do everyone a real favor and just drop this whole thing. I'm
getting a 7.1GB drive next week, anyway.
--
-Jason
(roblwill(a)usaor.net)
ICQ#-1730318
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> From: R. Stricklin (kjaeros) <red(a)bears.org>
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Re: FW: Dos v2.11 apology
> Date: Thursday, August 13, 1998 11:10 PM
>
> On Fri, 14 Aug 1998, Jason Willgruber wrote:
>
> > It's NOT that Windows won't work, I can't FIT anything on the HD. It's
> > ONLY 100MB, and Windows takes up 90-some, and the rest by MS-Mail, and
IE
> > 3.02. Leaving a total of about 5 MEG.
>
> Ah, you just want to complain. Imagine running Windows 95 on such a small
> disk and expecting to have room for anything larger than three gnats and
a
> toenail clipping...
>
> > PS>> just forget about your hat.
>
> PS>> try Windows 3.11
>
> "here's a nickel, kid, buy yourself a real OS"
> r.
>
>
This has been roughly my experience. I have one poor thing that takes about
5 minutes, hey, it is after all, 20 years old. :) My light never goes out
that I remember though, but it does blink in faster increments up to the
point it stays steady. I have two apple ///'s with profiles that are
currently operational, allthough one comes up much faster than the other. I
think it waits for the drive to "come up to speed"
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: R. Stricklin (kjaeros) <red(a)bears.org>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Date: Saturday, August 15, 1998 6:49 AM
Subject: RE: Apple III & Profile
>On Sat, 15 Aug 1998, Doug Spence wrote:
>
>> IIRC, it was more like 140 seconds. :/ That's for cold start, when it
>> goes into blinking mode after a command is issued to it, I think the
>> blinking time is shorter.
>
>On powering up the ProFile disk:
>
>"The red ready light on the ProFile's front panel will come on for about 2
>seconds, go off for about 20 seconds, and then start to flash for about 40
>seconds while the drive runs internal tests. When the tests are
>successfully completed, the light will remain on continuously without
>flashing. Under some conditions the ProFile may take up to 3 minutes to
>complete the startup sequence."
>
>ok
>r.
>>> Hmm, well I don't know about Prodos or the 'catalyst' proggy that people
>>>are
>>> mentioning, I know I managed to get directory listings from my drives
>>>without
>>> either, although it *may* have been using a diagnostics disk that came
>>>with
>>> the drive.
>>
>>That's what I thought. I don't have Prodos or catalyst, but the SOS
>>utilities disk with the drivers and setup programs seems to indicate that
>>I should be able to access the drive without anything fancy.
hmm, I should hopefully be going up to my folk's place in two or three
weeks time - if I do and this is still a problem then I'll try to get
access to my /// and see what's what (I can't remember how far back in
the pile it is though :)
>> The READY light doesn't go out, it just stops blinking. It stays *on*. I
>> hope I didn't imply otherwise in my original post, else that could be a
>> source for confusion.
>> It makes sense to me that the READY light would stay on when the drive is
>> ready.
that sounds right to me, too :) But at least it's changing state - I
guess I'd expect it to carry on blinking if there was a fault. (Out of
interest, how long was it blinking for? Seem to remember it used to be
somewhere around 30-40 seconds on my drives)
>
>> I played with it again, and I CAN get it to run from slot 3. But I have
>> to use the Profile controller board that was originally in slot 4, into
>> slot 3. Only one of the controller cards gets a response from the drive,
>> so I guess one is dead.
Interesting. My problem was probably that more than one card couldn't be
configured at once then (maybe I should get hold of a copy of prodos
>from somewhere and that'll sort things out? I can't imagine the firm
that originally used this machine swapping drives around all the time!)
>
>> Unless the cabling is wrong. :) I'm using a straight-through 25-pin
>> cable, and it's 6 feet long. Maybe the Profile doesn't like cables longer
>> than a foot in length or something? Or maybe it's supposed to have
>> different wiring?
well, I remember the cable didn't have any twists in it - ie. it was
either a full crossover or straight-through. One of my cables is
original, and it's no more than a foot long. Chances are these things
would suffer from interference - try a shorter cable and see if it
helps.
>
>> Thanks Jules, you're the only one not to try to involve Prodos so far. ;)
ooh, give me time... :)
really must get back into using the /// and finding out what there is
available for it - everyone seems to hate the machine, but it seems an
interesting beast to say the least!! (Last time I used it though it made
me realise how used I was to MS-DOS, SOS being the nightmare that it
is...)
cheers
Jules
>
Over 90% of the external modems I have dealt with were 9vdc, 500ma, but
there is always an exception, and in this case, that is probably the case.
At 04:38 PM 8/14/98 -0700, Kevin McQuiggin wrote:
>You need an AC adapter. Anyone know the correct voltage for this model of
>modem??
>
>Kevin
>
>>
>> I just got a 2400 external modem without a power cord the modem is a
>> packard bell PB2400PLUS anyone know what kind of power cord it takes(dose't
>> say anything in the manual about specs on the power cord) the jack that the
>> power cord goes into looks like a hole with a stem in the middle of it
>> looks like the size of a mini stereo jack
>>
>>
>
>
>--
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>mcquiggi(a)sfu.ca
>
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Hello everybody.
I was wondering if anyone out there had an old Mac Portable (the Mac
laptop) that they'd want to sell. I really don't want to pay all that much
for it, and I don't need anything all that fast (I don't know all that much
about Macs), but it needs to run at least System 6.0.5. The main reason
that I'm looking for one, is that my school uses mainly Macs (the only PC's
that they have are a few XT's that you need to turn off the lights to read
the monitors), and I don't have a Mac. Whenever I'm working on a project,
I'm confined to the 40 minutes of classtime to get it done. I'm not
looking for a full-sized Mac, because (1) I don't have the room, and (2), I
sort of need the portability, because It's not very often that I'm at home
before 8:30 or 9:00 PM, and at that time I don't really feel like working
on stuff for school.
All I'm really asking is that it works, and can run System 6.0.5 (that's
what my school uses).
As always,
ThAnX in advance,
--
-Jason
(roblwill(a)usaor.net)
ICQ#-1730318
Folks,
This message might be borderline annoying to some, in which case I
humbly apologize, but I really wanted to give it a bit wider
distribution than its original list. I'd be very sad if they didn't
sell and had to be trashed; not quite like "Save the whales!"
Sales pitch follows, which you can happily ignore! Deleting is quite OK!
This is an unusual opportunity to obtain an historic machine of at least
some interest. These, as the message says, need cleaning up, but
apparently most are in good shape internally.
I have no connection with the seller, but believe him to be reputable;
he made a similar offer several months back, and there have been no
complaints at all about him on the List.
(Cliff, you can ignore all of what follows; if I got anything wrong,
feel free to holler, of course! (Cliff has an STW in tip-top
condition.))
The Friden STW was the standard desktop calculator of choice, widely
used, for scientists and engineers for several decades. It was the
successor to the ST, which was probably first sold in the early 1930s.
(Yes, the Depression! Friden started a successful company in Terrible
Times. It took an acquisition by Singer to destroy it.)
If you have any interest in historic calculators, this is an excellent
and very representative example. These machines had a different
architecture from today's electronic calculators, which I won't try to
explain (the message is too long, already!).
It's a motor-driven rotary machine with no printer, and a carriage. Its
capacity was usually 10x10x20, which is to say that it could multiply
two 10-digit numbers and display a 20-digit product. The Friden STWs
were very reliable and trustworthy when properly cared for.
It does all four operations of arithmetic automatically; also can do
d=a+(b*c) and d=a-(b*c). (These can be chained, so that the new a is the
old d, and new b and c are arbitrary, although either or both b and/or c
can be the same as the previous.) (Super-slow DSP, anyone?!)
Iirc, you can also display the sum or difference of two or more
quotients. It's practical to compute square roots on it by at least two
methods, I'm fairly sure. One uses a printed lookup table (hard to
find); the other is a clever semi-mindless algorithm called the "fives
method".
There are severe limitations on automatic transfers of numbers within
the machine; essentially, almost none. The numbers in the keyboards and
the results dials can be kept for the next calculation, however.
It has 10 columns of keys, 9 keys + a clear key in each column. You
could consider this a parallel-entry keyboard. (It was called a "full
keyboard.") The STW also has the unique, distinctive little 10-key
serial-entry multiplier section.
There are such features as selectively disabling the auto. clearing of
the main keyboard, also of the accumulator and/or the cycle counter
dials. Little knobs allow you to rotate the accumulator dials to preset
them (such as for rounding numbers). Many clever applications were
worked out based on accessibility of the individual parts of the
machine, so to speak.
Decimal points are not calculated by the mechanism at all, but there are
markers to keep things simple.
Speed is 600 cycles per minute.
One limitation is that subtracting one from the LSD of all zeros does
not give a string of 20 nines; you get about 14, iirc, on a standard
machine. "Full carryover" was an option. I think there is a warning bell
to signify an accumulator "sign change".
Just about sure that a stock Belden power cord will fit, but not sure
Belden still sells that particular item. (Sorry; don't have a Belden
catalog any more.) (It has three round pins, male on the calc, iirc, and
the center pin is offset and probably longer. It was a standard until
the rectangular-pin IEC connector so well known in computers supplanted
it.)
Hmmm... budding free-lance ad copywriter? (Heaven save us!)
No doubt, some work will be needed; it would be much wiser to remove the
covers and try to cycle the machine by hand to see that it doesn't jam.
The main driveshaft has a female threaded hole in the end for a
handcrank that you could make. If the machine jams under power, there is
a fiber gear (so I'm told by an experienced Friden tech.) that might
become damaged; he says it's a Major Pain to replace if you can get the
part, and parts are hard to come by! There is a crude safety clutch
(makes a terrible racket!), but it may not disengage before the fiber
gear strips.
Again, my apologies for the intrusion.
|* Nicholas Bodley *|* Electronic Technician {*} Autodidact & Polymath
|* Waltham, Mass. *|* -----------------------------------------------
|* nbodley(a)tiac.net *|* The personal computer industry will have become
|* Amateur musician *|* mature when crashes become unacceptable.
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Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 08:19:35 -0400
From: Julian Burke <julianb(a)ESPER.COM>
To: CALCLIST-L(a)TECHUNIX.TECHNION.AC.IL
Subject: Friden STW's for sale
Hello All, I'm not in this for profit but want to see these units go to
the right hands for collecting. I have a huge quantity of Friden STW's
for sale @ $30 each. These are as-is complete, dirty from long term
storage, might be missing a button or two and NO power cords. $30 +
shipping and packing from Knoxville, Tennessee. They will weigh 44
pounds each packed, so consult with UPS for shipping prices from ZIP
code 37909. If interested, I have "worse" (needing more cleanup or for
parts) for less and better units for more. Most people who have
purchased from me before say the insides look great and after a good
"typewriter bath", they survived very well. Hurry while selection is
good. I have hundreds of calcs for possible trade (cash also) and am
looking for a WANG 360SE at this time. (Suitcase with 4 slave calcs
>from the mid 70's) Thanks, Julian Burke
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At 02:34 PM 8/13/98 -0500, you wrote:
>$12100 for the world's flakiest S-100 box:
> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=24409570
>
>(and the reserve was still not met, but I bet the guy sells, what do you
>think?)
I think this whole auction reeks of bull-shit! Everything from the
opening bid of $2500 to reserve of OVER $12,000 and the seller's
insistance of 1 day UPS delivery smells of being a FAKE!
Joe
I'll be doing a rescue early next week from a local company that's
surplusing out some old PDP-11's. There's more than I can use, so I will
happily parcel out what I don't need.
There will be at least one 11/04, possibly one or more 11/23's, and some
DSD-880 boxes. I'll post a list to the group once I get done collecting and
sorting.
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